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Banno

['Member', 'Subscriber', 'Debater']Joined: October 24, 2015 at 01:14Last active: February 25, 2026 at 22:17133 discussions30505 comments
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I may well be the only member remaining here who openly calls their approach to philosophy Analytic. Worse, I think it incumbent on anyone with pretensions to doing philosophy to be clear and coherent, before being comprehensive and complete.

I'll take this a step further and say that at least arguably, supposing that analytic methods are exclusive to Analytic philosophy is to misunderstand the state of philosophy today. Analytic methods haven’t disappeared—they’ve become ubiquitous. Their success in clarifying argument, uncovering presuppositions, and enforcing rigor made them so effective that even their critics adopted them. The real consequence is not that philosophy is split into Analytic and non-Analytic camps, but that the distinction itself has lost relevance. What matters now is not whether someone is ‘Analytic’ but whether they’re philosophically serious—and that seriousness nearly always involves some analytic rigor.


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Statements are grammatical combinations of nouns and verbs and such like; Some statements are either true or false, and we can call these propositions. So, "The present king of France is bald" is a statement, but not a proposition.

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Beliefs range over propositions or statements: Fred believes the present king of France is bald.

“Jeff believes in democracy” looks like a counter example to beliefs ranging over propositions, but the superficial structure hides the proposition: “Jeff believes governments ought be democratic” or some such

Beliefs are stated as an association of an agent to a proposition. The proposition is not the object of the belief but constitutes the belief. Hence beliefs are referential opaque, subject to substitution-failure.

If an agent acts in some way then there is a belief and a desire that together are sufficient to explain the agent's action. Banno wants water; he believes he can pour a glass from the tap; so he goes to the tap to pour a glass of water.

Beliefs overdetermine our actions. There are other beliefs and desires that could explain my going to the tap.

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We know some statement when at the least we believe it, it fits in with our other beliefs, and it is true.

Discard Gettier. The definition is not hard-and-fast.

It does not help to ask if we know X to be true; that's exactly the same as asking if we know X. The "we only know it if it is true" bit is only there because we can't know things that are false.

If you cannot provide a justification, that is, if you cannot provide other beliefs with which a given statement coheres, then you cannot be said to know it.

A belief that is not subject to doubt is a certainty. We get on with life by holding some things as certain - that you are reading this, that the bishop moves diagonally.

In order to doubt, we must hold some things as certain. One can doubt anything, but not everything.

Faith is not subjecting a belief to doubt despite the facts.

Without a difference between belief and truth, we can't be wrong; if we can't be wrong, we can't fix our mistakes; without being able to fix our mistakes, we can't make things better.

Favourite Philosopher

Terry Pratchett

Favourite Quotations

First, words are our tools, and, as a minimum, we should use clean tools: we should know what we mean and what we do not, and we must forearm ourselves against the traps that language sets us. Secondly, words are not (except in their own little corner) facts or things: we need therefore to prise them off the world, to hold them apart from and against it, so that we can realize their inadequacies and arbitrariness, and can re-look at the world without blinkers. Thirdly, and more hopefully, our common stock of words embodies all the distinctions men have found worth drawing, and the connexions they have found worth making, in the lifetimes of many generations: these surely are likely to be more sound, since they have stood up to the long test of the survival of the fittest, and more subtle, at least in all ordinary and reasonably practical matters, than any that you or I are likely to think up in our arm-chairs of an afternoon—the most favoured alternative method. (Austin, J. L. “A Plea for Excuses: The Presidential Address”, Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society, 1957: 181–182)

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Comments

See you in the other place.
February 25, 2026 at 21:05
...to absent friends... I dropped a note to Tiff to give her our new address.
February 24, 2026 at 20:28
So long, and thanks for all the fish...
February 23, 2026 at 23:53
But §308.
February 23, 2026 at 00:17
Continuing some of this discussion at The Other Place: A Taxonomy of Hinges?
February 21, 2026 at 21:48
:meh:
February 20, 2026 at 04:00
The AI response was pretty specific, twelve times. Sound advice. If you had the courage of your convictions you might start your own thread and see wh...
February 20, 2026 at 03:49
Fine. I'll look into a new thread on the taxonomy of certainties, in the Other Place. Hope you join. I didn't recognise it at as such, and it wasn't a...
February 20, 2026 at 02:20
Well, your challenge is a bit like the response to "thousands are starving in Sudan..." Then name one.
February 20, 2026 at 02:18
...because it's a neat topic, somewhat tangential to this particular thread, and may be of interest to others. You are not obligated to join in. I'll ...
February 20, 2026 at 00:59
...using an AI in order to overcome Brandolini's law... Claude: I can list more.
February 20, 2026 at 00:57
Are you on the new site? If so, then I suggest we start a new thread there to discuss a taxonomy of the indubitable. Moving on from Sam's tools, and p...
February 19, 2026 at 23:56
Nice. Should we take isue with each in turn? Or turn back to the tools?
February 19, 2026 at 22:31
If we agree it is a role and not a property, then all is good.
February 19, 2026 at 22:29
Nice. We can see the movement from the crystalline clarity of the tractatus, in which Wittgenstein seeks to dispose of the irregularities and ambiguit...
February 19, 2026 at 22:28
Presumably, "broad" is @"Sam26" and I, who take hinges to apply widely, and "narrow" is @"Fooloso4"'s view that hinges are specifically propositions t...
February 19, 2026 at 04:38
Perhaps by way of a reset...
February 19, 2026 at 03:34
Ah, that explains it. My own ailments tend to respond to Proctosydl. So a few points on which we might find agreement. Being indubitable is a role tak...
February 19, 2026 at 03:21
Well, thanks. Glad to hear it. I recant. I continue to find the apparent misreading extraordinary. I wasn't able to find anything in the literature th...
February 19, 2026 at 02:15
Something like that. This thread is more pedagogy than philosophy. Hinges are not solely to do with scientific language. That's evident in the text, w...
February 19, 2026 at 01:02
This is why we cannot have nice discussions... :wink: Folk which only a cursory reading of the material thinking that they have understood the whole; ...
February 18, 2026 at 23:13
You've demonstrated the uncontested point that he does talk about scientific investigation. It remains that he also talks about other things. Again, t...
February 18, 2026 at 22:52
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February 18, 2026 at 21:44
The selectivity of your reading is astonishing. See §402. And §409.
February 18, 2026 at 21:01
I'm not being evasive. The text is there before you, but you seem to not be able to follow it. To say nothing turns on "here is a hand" in this contex...
February 18, 2026 at 01:17
We are not responsible for your lack of comprehension... See the bolded bit.
February 18, 2026 at 00:24
A quick rundown on my own position, which is subject to change on a whim. OC uses the tools Sam lists here in a reflection on "Here is a hand", and is...
February 18, 2026 at 00:22
Here: and here: and, if you were repeating yourself, elsewhere as well. And also in the various replies to Sam and I. This conversation is very odd. B...
February 17, 2026 at 23:53
I have some familiarity. I did indeed do a search for any support there might be for your contention that hinges are restricted only to scientific inv...
February 17, 2026 at 20:25
Nice.
February 17, 2026 at 02:55
Thank you. One responds appropriately to one's interlocutors. How one might read On Certainty and not notice Wittgenstein's quite intentionally wide r...
February 17, 2026 at 01:42
It's not that what is being said doesn't apply to scientific investigation, but that it doesn't apply only to scientific investigation. We have to hol...
February 16, 2026 at 22:33
Excellent. Yes, he is. Look and see.
February 16, 2026 at 22:21
Misquoting Gandhi and Grinspoon, I think it would be a good idea.
February 16, 2026 at 20:54
Sure. And...? OC is perhaps more like a ball game: Perhaps in the OC L.W. is making up the rules as he goes along... And isn't this sometimes worth do...
February 16, 2026 at 20:42
You left out the italicises "I", and ignore that he immediately qualifies that comment. No you haven't. You have been getting pushback for claiming th...
February 16, 2026 at 20:29
On Certainty grants the opportunity to see some of how Wittgenstein works. It is unpolished, and certainly not a coherent, complete argument for a par...
February 16, 2026 at 04:02
It's clear from and that you are misunderstanding both what Wittgenstein is writing and Sam's responses to those misunderstandings, and now my own sma...
February 16, 2026 at 03:47
An excellent appraisal, . Yep, I thought the bit might fit. Pearls...
February 16, 2026 at 03:27
What? Seems to be a comprehension problem here. On several levels.
February 16, 2026 at 02:27
That's an excellent diagnosis. Seems your thread must deal with both hinges and the unhinged. :wink: Have another look at OC §470 through §475. In par...
February 16, 2026 at 01:34
:meh: Most of the text is to do with other examples, as per Sam's Tool 1. Look and see.
February 16, 2026 at 01:11
Notice the italic I and the bit after the "but..." where he says that it can be regarded as incontrovertible. What's a hinge and what isn't, isn't fix...
February 16, 2026 at 00:27
There's a difference between considering scientific statements amongst those of mathematics, trips to China, the shape of trees, pictures and railway ...
February 15, 2026 at 23:11
Not what I understood from my reading. He mentions method, sure, but his examples are quite varied and not all of them mere science. Many are from mat...
February 15, 2026 at 22:38
Indeed. When your words do not square with your actions, something has gone astray. I'd lay the blame at the many misconceptions in "...the mind-indep...
February 15, 2026 at 22:17
:meh:
February 15, 2026 at 19:56
Took longer than expected.
February 13, 2026 at 03:02
Yep.
February 09, 2026 at 07:17
A tool you might consider, @"Sam26", is an admonition not to think in terms of meaning, but to instead look at what the words are being used to do. It...
February 09, 2026 at 01:53