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Banno April 16, 2017 at 06:54 9225 views 45 comments
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So... what is the first rule of Philosophy Club?

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_db April 16, 2017 at 07:10 #66173
Rule number one: Don't ever philosophize while under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs.
Pneumenon April 16, 2017 at 08:55 #66179
If we could agree on the first rule, there would be no need for philosophy club...
Baden April 16, 2017 at 11:53 #66197
The first rule is that the rule that can be spoken is not the first rule.
Hanover April 16, 2017 at 11:58 #66198
We should dispense with the formality of trying to make rules and move right to the business of insulting one another.
Baden April 16, 2017 at 12:02 #66199
The second rule is no Hanovers. Or maybe that should be the first rule?
Cavacava April 16, 2017 at 14:12 #66223
Reply to Banno

"This is your life and its ending one moment at a time.”
yazata April 16, 2017 at 15:35 #66239
The first rule might arguably be, 'Treat the opinions of philosophers merely as suggestions for further discussion, not as religious-style revelations that must be accepted merely on the philosopher's authority'. (That includes you too, Wittgenstein.)

That particular first rule probably applies self-referentially to the rule itself. Which might be why philosophers rarely seem to progress from A to B.
Baden April 16, 2017 at 15:44 #66242
I think I have it worked out now :

The first rule is that the first rule is a paradox so ignore it.
The second rule is no Hanovers.
The third rule is "Thou shalt not kill" (except in the case that that conflicts with the second rule).

You're welcome.
TimeLine April 16, 2017 at 17:32 #66248
Quoting Baden
The first rule is that the first rule is a paradox so ignore it.
The second rule is no Hanovers.
The third rule is "Thou shalt not kill" (except in the case that that conflicts with the second rule).


So there are no rules?
Shawn April 16, 2017 at 17:43 #66250
I see this as a perversion of philosophy and Wittgenstein. As if rules were needed prior to the use of reason and ethics.

unenlightened April 16, 2017 at 20:07 #66264
Quoting Question
I see this as a perversion of philosophy and Wittgenstein. As if rules were needed prior to the use of reason and ethics.


So the first rule is that philosophy club shall be anarchic or perverse?

I would give my vote to

1. Play nice.
Shawn April 16, 2017 at 20:18 #66265
Quoting unenlightened
So the first rule is that philosophy club shall be anarchic or perverse?


Whereof one cannot speak, thereof things must be shown in action.
BC April 16, 2017 at 20:39 #66267
Rules? We don't need no stinking rules.

paraphrase from Blazing Saddles

Banno April 16, 2017 at 21:01 #66268
It's all going swimmingly, isn't it!
Wosret April 16, 2017 at 21:08 #66270
There are currently over eight thousand rules of philosophy club, and I of course cannot expound them all here, and will rather do so arbitrarily when it suits me, and if I happen to give two rules with the same number, then that just means that I forgot to mention that it was section B of the rule, or whatever.

First rule of philosophy club is to always operate within the rules, of which I'm the sole arbiter.
Shawn April 16, 2017 at 21:31 #66272
Yeah but who enforces the rules?
Wosret April 16, 2017 at 21:36 #66274
Reply to Question

Honour code. Have you no honour!
TimeLine April 16, 2017 at 23:39 #66301
Quoting Wosret
Honour code.


What is honour code?
Wosret April 16, 2017 at 23:42 #66303
Reply to TimeLine

You know, we shame each other into it.
TimeLine April 16, 2017 at 23:49 #66306
Reply to Wosret So we turn on each other. Fair deuce, Reply to Bitter Crank was right.
Sir2u April 17, 2017 at 01:45 #66327
#1 Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
unless they disagree with your ideas
then shoot them.
TimeLine April 17, 2017 at 02:45 #66334
Reply to Sir2u "Love thy neighbour as thyself. Unless he's Turkish, in which case kill the bastard!" King Richard.
Noble Dust April 17, 2017 at 05:20 #66356
Isn't the first rule of philosophy club to not talk about philosophy club?...
Michael April 17, 2017 at 09:47 #66399
Quoting Noble Dust
Isn't the first rule of philosophy club to not talk about philosophy club?...


Given that rules, insofar as they can be understood, can only be understood by how the community of rule followers participates in the activities involved in the rule, and given that we're all talking about philosophy club, then no.
Noble Dust April 17, 2017 at 09:50 #66400
Reply to Michael

I was referring to Fight Club...
Michael April 17, 2017 at 10:25 #66401
Quoting Noble Dust
I was referring to Fight Club...


Dude, the first rule of Fight Club is to not talk about Fight Club. Now we're both disqualified.
Cavacava April 17, 2017 at 11:38 #66403
Perhaps there are just definitions.
Banno April 18, 2017 at 01:53 #66489
Reply to Sir2u Not "Do undo others before they undo you"?
Moliere April 18, 2017 at 12:28 #66590
It seems to me that there is no the first rule -- but rather, there are first rules. And depending on which first rule you state first that has a kind of guiding force on what follows.


The first rule of philosophy club is "know yourself" -- followed hastily by "but not just yourself"
Cavacava April 18, 2017 at 21:47 #66684
Many clubs have presidents, and/or other people who make necessary decisions for the club as a whole. I suspect that it is due to undesirable behavior that rules are formed, and that only a strong president, a sovereign can make an exception to established rules.
Sir2u April 21, 2017 at 02:05 #67052
Not "Do undo others before they undo you"?

Yes Banno, that probably is better suited to the times in which we find ourselves living.
Sam26 May 04, 2017 at 02:10 #68948
Rules are for others, not for me.
jkop May 04, 2017 at 10:14 #68979
Quoting Banno
So... what is the first rule of Philosophy Club?


If a club is an association of people united by a common interest or goal, then Philosophy Club is a club whose members are not united by a common interest or goal, a club without members. Its first rule might, therefore, be that it's not a club.
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 04, 2017 at 12:18 #68994
Quoting Sam26
Rules are for others, not for me.


Rule #2 no Sam26's only Sam27's
anonymous66 May 04, 2017 at 15:34 #69018
How about, Rule No. 1: Remember, we're on a mission to make the world a better place.
Sam26 May 05, 2017 at 03:30 #69084
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I'll change my name. X-)
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 06, 2017 at 13:16 #69301
S May 10, 2017 at 22:00 #69881
Quoting anonymous66
How about, Rule No. 1: Remember, we're on a mission to make the world a better place.


No, the first rule of Philosophy Club should be cats.
TimeLine May 11, 2017 at 10:56 #69927
Quoting Sapientia
No, the first rule of Philosophy Club should be cats.


Are you saying philosophers have no loyalty unless you feed it and enjoy killing wildlife?
jkop May 12, 2017 at 01:52 #70019
A club for cats on mats.
Luke May 12, 2017 at 02:21 #70022
Philosophy Club membership is restricted only to those who are not members of themselves.
WiseMoron May 12, 2017 at 07:01 #70032
Can only wash with philosophy's club's pink bar of soap if you put it up your ass. That way we all share ideas that came out of our asses.
Janus May 12, 2017 at 07:41 #70037
Quoting Baden
The first rule is that the rule that can be spoken is not the first rule.


The first rule is that there cannot be a first rule that speaks about the impossibility of speaking the first rule.

This is because any transgression of that would not be a self-referentially paradoxical statement that is true if false and false if true, but would rather be merely self contradictory.

Thus there may be unspoken rules, but no unspeakable rules.

PS. There is a different sense in which the first rule of Monty Python's philosophy club (where all the members are named 'Bruce') is unspeakable in today's cultural climate; and this is a politically correct sense of unspeakability. Does anyone remember it?
Janus May 12, 2017 at 07:49 #70039
Reply to Luke

Philosophy club's membership is restricted to those members who do not have active members?
Janus May 12, 2017 at 07:50 #70040
Reply to WiseMoron

Is this a form of brainwashing?