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Life has necessary and contingent suffering. Necessary suffering is often considered "Eastern", similar to how Buddhism defines it. That is to say it is a general dissatisfaction stemming from a general lack in what is present. Relief is temporary and unstable. If life was fully positive without this lack, it would be satisfactory without any needs or wants.

Contingent harms are the classic ones people think of. It is the physical harms, the emotional anguish, the annoyances great and small. It is the pandemics, the disasters, the daily grind of a tedious work day. It is the hunger we feel, and the pain of a stubbed toe. It is any negative harm. It is contingent as it is contextual in time/place, and situation. It is based on historical trajectories and situatedness. It is based on the "throwness" (in Existentialism terminology). It varies in individuals in varying amounts and intensity, but happens to everyone nonetheless.

Philosophical pessimism deals with the fact that life has negative value and thus examines the human condition understanding these features. It is similar to atheistic Gnosticism. We are exiled in a way. Antinatalism is often an ethical response to philosophical pessimism, but is not the same thing. Philosophical pessimism often goes with pessimistic dispositions but is also not the same thing. Technically, you can have an optimistic disposition hold claims of a philosophical pessimistic nature such that there is much suffering inherent in life, and can generally agree with such philosophers as Arthur Schopenhauer and their works regarding the striving of human existence and the struggles of negative experiences.

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Life presents itself chiefly as a task—the task, I mean, of subsisting at all, gagner sa vie. If this is accomplished, life is a burden, and then there comes the second task of doing something with that which has been won—of warding off boredom, which, like a bird of prey, hovers over us, ready to fall wherever it sees a life secure from need. The first task is to win something; the second, to banish the feeling that it has been won; otherwise it is a burden.

Human life must be some kind of mistake. The truth of this will be sufficiently obvious if we only remember that man is a compound of needs and necessities hard to satisfy; and that even when they are satisfied, all he obtains is a state of painlessness, where nothing remains to him but abandonment to ?boredom. This is direct proof that existence has no real value in itself; for what is boredom but the feeling of the emptiness of life? If life—the craving for which is the very essence of our being—were possessed of any positive intrinsic value, there would be no such thing as boredom at all: mere existence would satisfy us in itself, and we should want for nothing. But as it is, we take no delight in existence except when we are struggling for something; and then distance and difficulties to be overcome make our goal look as though it would satisfy us—an illusion which vanishes when we reach it; or else when we are occupied with some purely intellectual interest—when in reality we have stepped forth from life to look upon it from the outside, much after the manner of spectators at a play. And even sensual pleasure itself means nothing but a struggle and aspiration, ceasing the moment its aim is attained. Whenever we are not occupied in one of these ways, but cast upon existence itself, its vain and worthless nature is brought home to us; and this is what we mean by boredom. The hankering after what is strange and uncommon—an innate and ineradicable tendency of human nature—shows how glad we are at any interruption of that natural course of affairs which is so very tedious.
-Arthur Schopenhauer, Studies In Pessimism/ The Vanity of Existence


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I think the nuances come in when we drill down in what these "values" are composed of. Life can bring value, but it can bring much negative value. If ...
June 02, 2025 at 14:48
Well, glad you can substantiate the claim as an example, I guess? Until about a year ago, I would have agreed with you. But then why haven’t Elizondo,...
June 01, 2025 at 18:41
Do you have reasons for your assessment? Why would this disclosure automatically lead to civil war? As for why there would be disclosure, perhaps ther...
May 30, 2025 at 13:58
True, when the truth is buried under layers of confusion and half-claims, even extraordinary revelations start to seem unbelievable. If a major politi...
May 29, 2025 at 05:19
I thought this quick Google AI search is relevant: I believe any actual UAP materials are classified at levels even higher than those governing nuclea...
May 28, 2025 at 18:50
Nice thorough post, thanks. First off, it would have to be determined whether this information is actually harmful. I understand there are “unknown un...
May 28, 2025 at 14:31
Great movie. Just wanted to comment that this ties in a bit to a thread I made earlier: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/15949/ontological-sh...
May 27, 2025 at 14:52
Presumably, the countries with the budgets and personnel to handle this situation have already been doing so. It’s clearly up to a public that is will...
May 16, 2025 at 19:39
No doubt, if abductions are real, that seems more than a little invasive. I would imagine NHI may not share our notion of personal autonomy. Perhaps t...
May 16, 2025 at 03:02
There are "errors," and then there are glaring errors. In this case, the omission would amount to a systematic denial of a foundational and world-chan...
May 16, 2025 at 01:39
But the tension still exists. What happens when important information is hidden without a justified reason? If checks and balances are truly effective...
May 16, 2025 at 01:29
Yes, so if the true "Good" in this situation is purely for knowledge's sake, meaning understanding more about the actual ontology of the universe rath...
May 16, 2025 at 01:06
Thoughtful response, thanks. Sure, but how would the "will of the people" be discerned if they never even knew about it? It's a bit of a conundrum. An...
May 15, 2025 at 23:17
I guess we would have to define what would be considered immoral to omit versus what could be justified for the "greater good." For example, I think w...
May 15, 2025 at 22:44
Nice, thanks. Do you have an answer to the initial OP or follow-up posts regarding the ethics of disclosure?
May 15, 2025 at 22:25
I think clips of it, but haven't seen the whole movie, no. Is that similar? Also, I've heard the Three-Body Problem is another interesting one.
May 15, 2025 at 22:20
Let's say for this, some governments only have craft and some have both NHI and craft. The ones with NHI and craft have a few representatives who were...
May 15, 2025 at 22:14
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/987916 Does this help?
May 15, 2025 at 20:43
Good questions. Let's say it's something along the lines of what you're suggesting. Earth is still a developing planet. They monitor our technology an...
May 15, 2025 at 20:09
I'll start it off... No: To come out with the news all at once would be a bad idea. People rely on the certainty of the known and generally steer away...
May 15, 2025 at 18:54
You'd have to elaborate. Are you talking meditation and such? It seems to work like this: T1: We are all one, manifested in different forms... T2: Tha...
May 05, 2025 at 15:39
I've stated this a while ago, but I see a the big fundamental division between a cozy unified "oneness", and a cold eternal "separateness". The "natur...
May 05, 2025 at 03:24
Leads to a conclusion of radical contingency over elegant design. Thus leading to a sort of multi-universe theory whereby this universe is but one we ...
April 23, 2025 at 15:55
You bring up a good point I have also proposed in past posts. That is to say, a self-sufficient being doesn't need to design a game of "struggle of lo...
April 23, 2025 at 15:52
Having faith is wanting to believe something without evidence, and thus similar to hope, but a stronger sense of personal certainty, usually with less...
March 06, 2025 at 22:29
If by stipulation you simply mean convention, then I think we are kind of saying the same thing. The convention is itself part of the causal-historica...
February 27, 2025 at 00:44
It's not a problem for Quine if you think we are just labeling stuff and it's just convention. For Kripke, I would think there needs to be a mechanism...
February 27, 2025 at 00:34
If I said "Sam is X", and you say "No no, Bob is X". How do we sort this out? Well, someone misremembered or mislabeled something here. Maybe I though...
February 27, 2025 at 00:19
I guess what I mean then is how is it that the stipulation is constrained to "Sam" and not something else? Which seems to be the question there. Causa...
February 26, 2025 at 23:57
Definition of Stipulation: a condition or requirement that is specified or demanded as part of an agreement. So it looks like your theory here is that...
February 26, 2025 at 23:47
It is the "once picked out, it is designated rigidly" that I am trying to go back to. "What" is causing this rigidity of the designator? And thus I br...
February 26, 2025 at 23:20
But then the problem of contingency as far as what properties makes a Gandalf. Not so much if it the "dubbing" entails a chain of causal events that l...
February 26, 2025 at 18:18
Can Gandalf also have a necessity of Gandalf like Water is H20? If so, what is the thing that makes both point to the referent and rigidly designate t...
February 26, 2025 at 16:39
This can be tied into the Ship of Theseus as a way to explain how rigid designators get their designation. That is to say, why is "Venus" or "The Even...
February 26, 2025 at 16:22
If we need to read poems and philosophy to “get back to Nature” or “the Way”, perhaps we can never truly be “in it”, contrary to the “ways of life” of...
January 19, 2025 at 17:24
I'd agree that indeterminate identity does become a problem when delimiting where "objects" begin and end. I don't think this is as much a problem wit...
January 17, 2025 at 15:29
Cool, I'll check it out. As a lark, @"Wayfarer" should take a look. This just seems to open up more problems, no? For example, is Gandalf not Gandalf ...
January 16, 2025 at 21:21
Interesting. I rarely see people "embrace" the label "scientism". What is that definition for you? There was a thread about this not too long ago: htt...
January 16, 2025 at 21:00
Yep. :up: Fair enough, but then: And that would be true, but are you defending Harman with these objections or do you see them as well?
January 16, 2025 at 20:01
It doesn't seem to be as much a problem except for Harman who focuses on objects contra process/qualities-only. Meillassoux focused more on correlatio...
January 16, 2025 at 19:46
I think this is significant. For the speculative realists, "correlationism" or the idea that the world cannot be accessed outside a human/animal persp...
January 15, 2025 at 23:27
Harman is "democratic" with his objects- what he calls "flat ontology". All objects are of equal weight as far as how relations are concerned. That is...
January 15, 2025 at 22:42
I think the issues you raise here regarding assemblages—defined loosely as groupings or networks of interconnected elements—should be tied into one of...
January 05, 2025 at 19:54
I like the cut of your jib here. Good observation.
January 03, 2025 at 23:48
As I interpreted it, "real objects" always retain something "withdrawn" that sort of makes it its "essence" (though that word is a bit tricky in vario...
December 31, 2024 at 21:17
Reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_ontology#Withdrawal
December 31, 2024 at 21:07
This is basically the argument I have been making regarding Philosophy of Mind for years. Others on here have similarly pointed out this "blind spot"-...
December 31, 2024 at 19:03
It's more telling those tall tales under oath to a major government authority. What's the point in: a) Allowing the hearings b) Lying under oath Are t...
December 23, 2024 at 00:28
It reminds me a bit of Gnosticism. Gnostics had secret knowledge only the initiated can understand fully. It is this exact thing that has piqued my in...
December 22, 2024 at 17:35
If it's harmless, let them have it. Although philosophically, is there something morally relevant in being a few degrees divorced from reality, living...
December 21, 2024 at 23:02