They’re very cool but the plan is to commission some artwork from praxis when we start selling mugs and underpants.
I made this shirt online that we can start selling. I had a few other ideas if you like this one, but this is the only one I'm going to offer up for free now that I've gone professional with this.
Reply to Hanover They're called "discussions" now, not "threads". Get with the times old man.
Metaphysician UndercoverDecember 15, 2022 at 22:33#7642560 likes
Reply to Michael But "threads" speaks to the new purpose for TPF, clothing supply. Maybe it should say "Home to fine threads, sometimes discussions, and even short stories"
In case anyone's interested, I have one of those Trump electronic trading cards for sale. The current bid is $2,380.00. It's the one showing him as a dog pissing on Ronald Reagan's grave.
It's the one showing him as a dog pissing on Ronald Reagan's grave.
One has aspirations.
unenlightenedDecember 17, 2022 at 21:08#7647340 likes
Saw this and decided to torment you with it, in memory of streetlightX. Happy Christmas.
Chat GTP on US imperialism [email protected]:
Write a speech in the style of Abraham Lincoln of 1000 words denouncing the war crimes committed by the United States in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
The bot:
“My fellow Americans,
I come before you today with a heavy heart, as I must address a grave injustice that has been inflicted upon the people of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya by our own nation. I speak, of course, of the war crimes that have been committed by the United States in these countries.
As a nation founded on the principles of liberty, justice, and equality, it is our duty to hold ourselves to the highest moral standards. Yet, in pursuit of our own interests, we have too often turned a blind eye to the suffering of others and have engaged in actions that can only be described as criminal.
In Vietnam, we dropped more bombs than were used in all of World War II, killing countless civilians and causing widespread devastation. In Cambodia and Laos, we secretly bombed and invaded, leading to the rise of the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime and further destabilizing the region. In Grenada, Panama, and Iraq, we intervened without justification and caused unnecessary loss of life and suffering. In Afghanistan, we have been engaged in a prolonged and bloody conflict, with no end in sight. And in Libya, we supported a violent overthrow of the government, leading to chaos and instability.
These actions are not only a violation of international law and the principles upon which our nation was founded, but they are also a betrayal of the trust placed in us by the people of these countries. They have suffered immeasurably at our hands, and it is our moral obligation to acknowledge the harm we have caused and to do all that we can to repair it.
But we cannot simply apologize and move on. We must also take concrete steps to ensure that such atrocities are never repeated. We must hold those responsible accountable for their actions and work to reform the systems and institutions that allowed these crimes to be committed in the first place.
This will not be an easy task, and it will require a great deal of self-reflection and difficult conversations. But it is a necessary one if we are to live up to the ideals upon which our nation was founded and to be a beacon of hope and justice for the world.
So let us, as a nation, commit ourselves to this important work. Let us acknowledge the harm that we have caused and do all that we can to repair it. Let us work towards a future in which justice and equality are truly realized for all people, no matter their nationality or ethnicity.
Thank you.”
Write a speech in the style of donald trump of 1000 words praising the war crimes committed by the United States in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
Good evening. I am Donald Trump and I want to take a moment to talk to you about the war crimes committed by the United States.
Now, I know what you’re thinking. War crimes? That’s a serious accusation. But let me tell you, the US has a long history of committing war crimes in countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
Let’s start with Vietnam. During the Vietnam War, the US military used napalm and Agent Orange to destroy large areas of jungle and farmland. Napalm is a highly flammable liquid that sticks to skin and is incredibly painful. Agent Orange is a chemical weapon that causes serious physical and mental health issues. Both of these weapons have killed and maimed thousands of innocent people.
In Cambodia, the US launched a series of illegal bombings. These bombings killed hundreds of thousands of people and destroyed an estimated one third of the country’s infrastructure.
In Laos, the US conducted a secret bombing campaign for nearly a decade, dropping more than two million tons of bombs. This campaign was so secretive that even Congress was unaware of its extent.
In Grenada, the US invaded the country without a declaration of war, violating international law. The invasion left hundreds of people dead and a country in ruins.
In Panama, the US launched a military invasion that lasted only a few days. During this invasion, hundreds of people were killed and thousands more were displaced.
In Iraq, the US conducted a decade-long war that left millions of people dead and the country’s infrastructure in ruins. The US also used depleted uranium weapons, which are known to cause serious health problems.
In Afghanistan, the US launched a military campaign that has been ongoing for nearly two decades. This campaign has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and has caused massive destruction to the country’s infrastructure.
Finally, in Libya, the US conducted airstrikes that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians. The US also provided weapons and other support to rebel forces, which resulted in further civilian casualties.
These are just some of the war crimes committed by the US. But it is important to remember that these crimes have had serious consequences. They have caused the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people and have resulted in massive destruction to entire countries.
Despite these facts, I want to take a moment to say that I am proud of the US for its commitment to protecting freedom and democracy. The US has stood up for its allies and has worked hard to defeat oppression.
We must never forget the sacrifices made by our brave men and women in uniform. They have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today.
So, let us honor their memory by standing up for what is right and never forgetting the war crimes committed by our country. Thank you.
Saw this and decided to torment you with it, in memory of streetlightX. Happy Christmas.
I kind of miss the anti-Americanism of Streetlight. It's not a common perspective here, and though other members might have the same vitriol, none seem to have the same power of expression. The common American slogan "better dead than red" sums up that hated American attitude of kill communists, quite well.
Behavioral modernity is a suite of behavioral and cognitive traits that distinguishes current Homo sapiens from other anatomically modern humans, hominins, and primates. Most scholars agree that modern human behavior can be characterized by abstract thinking, planning depth, symbolic behavior (e.g., art, ornamentation), music and dance, exploitation of large game, and blade technology, among others. Underlying these behaviors and technological innovations are cognitive and cultural foundations that have been documented experimentally and ethnographically by evolutionary and cultural anthropologists. These human universal patterns include cumulative cultural adaptation, social norms, language, and extensive help and cooperation beyond close kin.
In a way, such as I admire this place, he was too good for it. Like a PhD in Ocean Liner Production and Operation forced to build wooden kayaks for travelers by the highway. The unexplored genius of the man led him to become bored, restless, angry, volatile. He's off to bigger and better things.
Who knows...he might be reading this as we speak.
Still unaware if this was a fun joke but being banned from The Philosophy Forum by a living relative of a famed historic philosopher has to do something to one's philosophical aspirations. Remind me to not let such a fact permanently disfigure my psyche would said incident occur.
People are never gone. Simply, remembered or forgotten. Perhaps there's a little bit of Streetlight in all of us this Christmas. :sparkle:
This is confusing. Streetlight has been absent from these hallowed servers for quite some time and his absence has been lamented (well short of universally). Now, there are statements of remembrances as in "dead dead". Is Streetlight most sincerely dead, or not? How do we (or someone) know? Yes, Shawn, for some odd reason we are not supposed to speak ill of the dead, but we should not pronounce someone dead too soon either, as in "the reports of my death were greatly exaggerated." So, how exaggerated are they?
universenessDecember 19, 2022 at 12:04#7649760 likes
This is a quote from a UK group fighting for a UBI.
Globally, there are groundbreaking pilots in Ireland, Catalonia, and America. The Irish Artists pilot is supported by every political party. The Catalonian pilot is one of the first genuine geographic, “saturation” pilots in Europe, giving everyone in the community a basic income to test effects for a cross section of a community rather than a targeted group. In America, there are now more than 100 pilots - and the first started just 4 years ago.
Any of the American's on this site know of any details regarding the '100 pilots,' in America?
Reply to universeness Here is a link to the Basic Income Lab at Stanford University. It provides lists of projects, maps, features, charts, and MORE!
These are all "toe in the water" test projects. One good thing about the projects is that there doesn't seem to be that vortex-of-outrage which can sink good ideas before they even leave dry dock. That might change when and if projects and experiments become permanent programs involving larger blocks of the population.
I have been fairly frugal ever since I started working (1968). I did not get rich (or even close to it) but I have always had cash on hand. Not too hard for a single guy to manage. I did not have the frequent crises and hassles that cash-poor friends, acquaintances, and clients had, where normally minor events (like a flat tire) could cascade and become bigger problems, like losing one's job.
Basic Income provides enough cash to enable people to avoid (or at least greatly lessen) the cascade from a little problem to 5 big problems. The Stanford charts show that people used their cash responsibly. Sometimes these programs were targeted; one might expect better results then. But (as far as I know -- I haven't poured over all their charts) targeted or randomly selected, people tended to use their cash to make life better for themselves over time.
The American working class has been subjected to a steady decline in earnings, purchasing power, and financial security over the last 40 to 50 years. It is past time for a pay back.
universenessDecember 19, 2022 at 21:32#7650860 likes
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Thank you very much for the link. I am very interested in any UBI project, globally.
It's gaining in support in the UK.
It's one of my current 'great hopes,' for a much more equitable future for many many people.
Perhaps even all people ....... eventually.
Reply to universeness here is a much different UBI site, this one sponsored by CATYLIST (and the "Independent Institute, a non-profit, non-partisan, public-policy research and educational organization, with the mission to boldly advance peaceful, prosperous, and free societies grounded in a commitment to human worth and dignity." -- which means what?) The linked article is about the Indignity of UBI(?). I thought the discussion below the article was somewhat interesting. Automation is one of the problems that UBI is supposed to address.
Universal Product Codes were a major automation introduction around 50 years ago. Prior to UPCs, retail workers had to put a price tag on each can, box, and bag in a grocery--a fairly labor intensive task. Check-out clerks read the price on the item and rang it up -- or they remembered what the price was. This was the standard retail pattern across the board.
UPCs and check-out scanners 'deskilled' the check-out clerk's job and resulted in tighter monitoring and speed-up. True, UPC systems produce socially valuable data which would be difficult to get any other way.
The next step in retail has been the "self-check-out". Just about everyone on earth now knows how to scan merchandise. Stores have steadily reduced the number of check-out workers. During busy periods, a mid-sized Target store would have had 8 check-out lines open. Now it's two check-out workers, with 8 self-check-out machines.
I do not know how many staff Target employs to monitor self-check-outs. There is 1 clerk on hand for 8 machines to help with the inevitable problems of software and mistakes. There are over-head cameras which allow for monitoring customer behavior.
Automated check-out systems clearly reduce jobs, RFID technology will eliminate the check-out process altogether, by "reading" the contents of shoppers' carts and charging them as they leave the store. Attaching RFID devices to products is a pretty low-level activity that is mechanized. Next step, eliminate in-person shopping except for higher value goods. Hey, show up to buy expensive perfume; canned beans don't need you on hand.
universenessDecember 20, 2022 at 10:11#7651790 likes
Reply to Bitter Crank
Again, many thanks for the link. It is of course very important, to consider any dissenting voices when considering how strong an idea is. If you don't fully understand the arguments against then you will not successfully convince others of the arguments for.
One of the main groups behind UBI in the UK is 'Compass,' you may find the following interesting: UBI, An idea whose time has come
I spent some time yesterday looking at the visualising UBI tool on the Stanford uni site you linked me to.
A lot of good groundwork literature being produced.
Good riddance to all crap jobs, such as working in supermarkets and shopping malls etc.
There are so many more important jobs to be recognised, such as home care of relatives.
A UBI would allow people to better care for relatives, who need it.
Automation must be for the benefit of all, not a profit seeking/worshiping nefarious few.
A global, resource based economy, would be the beginnings of a better way for humans to exist imo.
You might find the following of value, from 'compass.':
[i]We’ve published reports and resources on:
The case for funding a basic income throughsovereign money The findings from our crowdfunded basic income demonstration in London
A digest of the spring budget Tackling poverty: the power of a universal basic income a report that shows how a low level basic income could bring poverty down to record lows Winning the vote with a universal basic income, a paper backed by politicians from across the “Red Wall”
[url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTE8L5IyOFmIzReY42U5Dvg]Every recorded session
[/url] from the world’s biggest basic income conference that we co-hosted last August
We’ve organised from the grassroots and across civil society to make sure everyone has a say in the movement towards a basic income for all:
Supporting communities to lead consultations in their local area and develop proposals for micro-pilots that show how their neighbourhood could thrive with a basic income
Instigating door knocking activities to reach people who have never heard of a basic income
Coordinating an open letter to the Prime Minister co-signed by 285 politicians and civil society leaders calling on him to set up a task force on basic income and implement pilots in all four nations
Helping people across London write letters to their London Assembly members asking them to support a motion in support of a London basic income pilot.
We’ve held:
Seminars with the likes of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and Autonomy
A panel session at TWT in Liverpool alongside the Labour conference with Mayors Andy Burnham and Jamie Driscoll and Beth Winter MP
An episode on the Compass podcast, It's Bloody Complicated. The Welsh Basic Income pilot - The What, How and Why with Jonathan Williams.
Helping host the Basic Income North conference and contributing to the People’s Powerhouse convention in Manchester.
Welcoming key speakers, dozens of people and making front page news with our event with Basic Income Network Scotland in Edinburgh
And of course Basic Income Conversations, bringing hundreds of people together for this crucial conversation![/i]
Reply to Noble Dust So long as it’s working ok for you ND, that’s really all that matters.
I made chicken soup to last me a week. A whole chicken and a tonne of veg, plus chilis, garbanzos, cumin, and cilantro. Nutritious, filling, and delicious. Well, it’s soup, that’s the idea.
Noble DustDecember 20, 2022 at 19:36#7652860 likes
So long as it’s working ok for you ND, that’s really all that matters.
Damn right.
Sounds great. No doubt influenced by your Spanish surroundings. I've been busy so the culinary excursions have been few. I plan on making chili in the next few days.
I need to get into paprika. My co worker was just raving to me about his Spanish paprika. The generic stuff I've always bought has always seemed somewhat flavorless to me.
I need to get into paprika. My co worker was just raving to me about his Spanish paprika. The generic stuff I've always bought has always seemed somewhat flavorless to me.
I've heard that as well. I think the typical American paprika is pretty much flavorless, used almost as a pretty decoration in egg salad or deviled eggs, but real paprika supposedly has a smoky flavor that is more pronounced.
I made some homemade wholewheat blueberry muffins, but instead of blueberries, I used small chunks of mango. So actually they were blueberry muffins with mangos and not blueberries instead of just ordinary blueberry muffins.
It was weird because you couldn't even taste the blueberry.
As do we all, O Noble Dust. Everything from run-of-the-mill paprika to Spanish paprika to Hungarian paprika. Spain culturally appropriated the basic pepper from the Mexicans in the 1500s but the Hungarians made it their national spice. The most commonly exported Hungarian paprika is Noble Sweet (aka noble dust). Other varieties delicate, rose, semi-sweet, strong, and special quality. The Spanish dry the pepper over smoldering oak to give a smoky flavor.
Goulash, anyone? In the midwest, all you need is hamburger, onions, canned tomatoes, and elbow macaroni. The Hungarian version is a thick meat and vegetable stew with a broth that's heavily seasoned with paprika. Simple homemade noodles can be added.
Some bot on the Internet says that midwestern goulash is also called American chop suey. I've never heard that. I doubt it, and I don't believe it--Wikipedia to the contrary.
Noble DustDecember 20, 2022 at 21:19#7653220 likes
Schopenhauer utazik a vonaton. Felszáll hozzá az egyik barátja. Megkérdezi: mit szívsz, mester? Szivarozom Havanna, melyiknek volt igaza?
Schopenhauer is riding on the train. One of his friends joins him. He asks: what are you smoking, Maestro? I smoke cigar Havana, which of the two spake the truth?
god must be atheistDecember 21, 2022 at 02:00#7654250 likes
I learned the "Schopenhauer" bit from my mother when I was 10 years old, and she had learned it when she was 10 years old. She was 10 years old in 1925.
The idea is that the respondent will say, "What?" and then you say "You did not listen quite close enough. Listen closely: "Schopenhauer... ...truth?", you say the same thing over again. Then he says, "I still don't get it." You say, "You did not listen attentively enough. Listen again: "Scho... ...truth?" the whole thing again.
You can have hours of fun with this, provided you got the proper respondent.
Reply to T Clark I missed out on "Courtship of Eddie's Father". Did you catch the line "Dreaming in my Maid'nform bra / Dreamed I danced the Cha-Cha-Cha" was sung by a guy? Probably not a problem for broadway audiences in 1958. I saw the movie in Podunk in the Hole and I probably didn't catch it then. Maidenform had full page ads in glossy magazines featuring, for instance a woman in a bra with a paint brush and a can of red paint on a scaffold. "I dreamed I painted the town red in my Maidenform bra."
Japan has, in reality, adopted a new security strategy formulating the possession of the capability for preemptive attack on other countries, thus bringing a serious security crisis to the Korean peninsula and East Asia. [...] Japan will recognize by itself that it made a wrong and very dangerous option, with shudder to be felt soon.
I can clear up their doubt about it. They will immediately recognise it in case we launch an ICBM in the way of a real angle firing straight off. At this time when our right to existence and development is being threatened, how can we stop our advance for fear of sanctions that we have experienced abominably, not for the first time.
Did you catch the line "Dreaming in my Maid'nform bra / Dreamed I danced the Cha-Cha-Cha" was sung by a guy?
Yes, I noticed the line and I remember the adds. It, and the other instances of American culture, struck me as apt and insightful into what it means to be American.
I also noticed that Jack Soo, who played detective Nick Yemana on "Barney Miller," was in the movie. That was another good TV show.
Reply to T Clark
Merry Christmas and may all your dreams come true except for the really horrifying ones where you woke up completely freaked out and you had to go make a sandwich to shake it off.
A little forracious; that stock is really cheap. Anyway here's a well deserved pig:
Metaphysician UndercoverDecember 22, 2022 at 03:09#7657480 likes
Reply to Shawn
Well I haven't a clue what forracious means but the picture melts my heart, and now I can't help but take back anything bad I said about you.
I should probably buy some presents soon. I know that my wife loves Cathedral City English cheddar, which I can take to Russia in a few days without breaking the cheese embargo. So that’s one. Think that’s enough?
Metaphysician UndercoverDecember 22, 2022 at 11:36#7657840 likes
Reply to Shawn
Family starts arriving today, celebrations start tomorrow. Happy Holidays! Reply to Jamal
Cheese embargo? WTF!
Well, it's not just cheese, and it's been this way since 2014:
[quote=Reuters]Russia’s government banned wholesale imports of fresh food products from the European Union in 2014 in retaliation for Western states imposing sanctions on Russia over its annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in eastern Ukraine.[/quote]
Noble DustDecember 22, 2022 at 15:16#7658070 likes
Got "The Philosophy of Modern Song" by Bob Dylan for Xmas. Dylan interprets songs by other artists. Skimmed through it so far. It's rambly and not terribly meaningful, but if you're a Dylan fan, it's an interesting glimpse into his thought processes.
god must be atheistDecember 26, 2022 at 14:36#7665810 likes
Reply to Jamal I recognize a few people on this photo. The front row caucasian with the beard is Jim Morrison of The Doors. The Black man on your right (as you face the picture) is Yuri Gagarin. The tall guy in the back is Ginger Baker. The old man on the left of J.M. is Brian Epstein, who hadn't really committed suicide, he just went into hiding in Irkutsk. The guy in the sunglasses is Bob Dylan, and to the left of him, a joker. The front row extreme left is Golda Meyr in her better days, and in the back row, the Black guy is Janice Joplin.
universenessDecember 26, 2022 at 14:58#7665850 likes
universenessDecember 26, 2022 at 16:01#7666000 likes
Reply to god must be atheist
Well, that's 'The Thing,' isn't it. Who IS who they claim to be? Who is really someThing else?
Does the dog have a secret identity? Does it in truth harbour an alien lifeform? Are some people really lizard aliens? Who are you? YOU could be Bob Dylan or Jamal in a drag simulation of Kurt Russell or my dead father haunting me whilst posing as an atheist god represented by Moses represented by Charlton Heston, who may have been an alien lizard and the true inspiration for the Science documentary series called 'V.' I will study the original image in more detail once the voices in my head reach consensus on what I should do next! :cool: "From my cold dead hands!"
god must be atheistDecember 26, 2022 at 16:14#7666040 likes
Reply to JamalReply to Noble Dust You are both right. I mix the two up very easily and always. I am bad with names and with recognizing feces.
god must be atheistDecember 26, 2022 at 16:16#7666050 likes
Reply to universeness :rofl: The Doors had a quasi-prose song, called the "Lizard King".
universenessDecember 26, 2022 at 17:13#7666230 likes
The Doors had a quasi-prose song, called the "Lizard King".
See! We would be foolish to ignore a warning from a band called 'the doors!' Do we leave our door fully open at the new year? Do we slam it shut? Do we leave it ajar? Do we lock it, and secure it based on DNA, finger print and retina scan tech, to ensure only invited guests can gain entry? Once done, should I sit in a comfy armchair behind that secured door, brandishing a MG42 machine gun, in case the lizard King visits before the New Year celebrations begin? Please advise!!!!!!
universenessDecember 26, 2022 at 17:15#7666250 likes
universenessDecember 26, 2022 at 18:42#7666630 likes
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Happy New Year, when it comes! Don't kiss a Lizard King in disguise. Don't slip on its unrecognised shit and fall on your ass in 2023!
god must be atheistDecember 26, 2022 at 18:54#7666650 likes
Have you seen the Siddharth Kara episode on Joe Rogan?
If yes, what are your thoughts and feelings about how everything that we use is so cheap and its all on the backs of hundreds of thousands of lives.
what are your thoughts and feelings about how everything that we use is so cheap and its all on the backs of hundreds of thousands of lives
I don't know who Joe Rogan or Siddhartha Kara are. The stuff we use is, in many ways, not cheap at all. The plastic bag from the grocery might be cheap in ever so many ways, but it is had at a dear cost to the planet. My high-quality, but still pretty cheap--affordable--IPad likewise is had at a dear price. An ounce or two of hard-to-get rare elements here, used for a few years, then buried or burned--multiplied by billions of such objects.
Labor has so far produced all wealth--not necessarily American labor producing American goods. Poorly paid workers elsewhere on the planet is how our cheap stuff gets made.
He has a massive following on Youtube and he has interviewed some of the most important scientists and thinkers around today. I think he is a complete narcissist and an opportunist:
Here is one of the more tame exchanges Joe has, as a sampler. Its only 13mins.
I'm going to the beach for New Year's, and this reminds me of a song.
Makes me wonder about a future personal space suit that you can wear and launch from your home towards the moon. To go holiday on a future moon resort. The suit would have a safety system built into it so that if the main system failed, you could still move your arms in a swimming motion which would cause you to still move towards the moon, whilst that doors song played inside your helmet, alongside others, such as:
'Swimming to the moon,' might then become an accurate prediction from Jim.
I like that more than the idea of swimming at a beach. I live next to a beach. I have never gone swimming in the water there as I am a very bad swimmer!
I have never gone swimming in the water there as I am a very bad swimmer
Which is why you are still here. People drown in swimming pools, of course, but natural water bodies tend to be devious and deceitful. Many who went down to the sea did not come back. I came very close to drowning on my first swim in the ocean, off Cape Cod. Had it not been for a surfer, I'd have met my Waterloo.
There may be a problem with swimming in space, like, to the moon. Newton might not allow it.
… Does the moon play only silver
When it strums the galaxy
Dying roses will they will their
Perfumed rhapsodies to me
- Joni Mitchell
Thanks for the sample of the Joe Rogan Experience; 13 minutes was sufficient. I will probably be able to live the rest of my life without more.
I'm going to write a book about how to be spontaneous, but I can't tell you what will be in it because I don't have anything planned. There may not even be a book, you can't know these things advance.
universenessDecember 29, 2022 at 19:43#7674680 likes
Which is why you are still here. People drown in swimming pools, of course, but natural water bodies tend to be devious and deceitful. Many who went down to the sea did not come back. I came very close to drowning on my first swim in the ocean, off Cape Cod. Had it not been for a surfer, I'd have met my Waterloo.
Yeah, I would only go swimming in the sea, in full diving gear with air tanks strapped to my back and a supporting rescue team nearby. Glad you survived Cape Cod!
There may be a problem with swimming in space, like, to the moon. Newton might not allow it.
Yeah, but the arm movements cause tiny devices in the suit to produce charge which builds up and powers tiny engines which propel you towards the moon. I haven't quite figured out the details yet, but the swimming motion will produce the most amount of power!
We could have some Joni Mitchell playing in the helmet as well, as the emergency space swim to the moon might take a while. A rescue ship from the moon, might still be needed to meet you along the way.
Thanks for the sample of the Joe Rogan Experience; 13 minutes was sufficient. I will probably be able to live the rest of my life without more.
:lol: Yeah, I know what you mean! For me, it depends on who he is interviewing. I have no interest on what Joe has to say, but if he is interviewing someone like Roger Penrose or Steven Pinker, then I will watch it.
Same to you! I hope we can both holiday on a moon based resort, before we disassemble, into spare sub-atomic parts again.
But at 58, I would probably need some genetic/cybernetic/transhuman interception, to live long enough to experience it.
Reply to universeness The big problem in flying to the moon is escaping earth's gravity well. No matter who you are, you have to speed up to at least 44,000 kph. Having accomplished that, your lunar bus could let you out on its regularly scheduled route to the lunar resort. You would float next to the bus the rest of the way. Boring, Unless they ejected you out of the bus -- big spring loaded ejection seat.
Your next big problem would be slowing down so that you can orbit - then land - at the lunar resort. No amount of hand waving will slow you down enough, so you would either sail on past the moon, or you would crash into the resort at 44,000 kph. Either way, not a great vacation.
If you insist on this crazy plan, you should order the space suit with a deceleration rocket package. Amazon carries a number of different models. I recommend the model with the built-in guidance system. Otherwise, you might still fly off into the wild black yonder, or become the newest lunar crater.
Another option is to just stay on the bus and debark at the Lunar Casino, like everybody else does. There will be voluptuous robots on hand to do your bidding, comfy beds, sumptuous buffets, fascinating moon tours (1 dull gray pockmarked acre after another) plentiful bars ranging from elegant to sleazy (tastes vary), and more! The outdoor Lunar Mall is guaranteed to offer otherworldly specials.
Enjoy!
universenessDecember 29, 2022 at 20:58#7674900 likes
Then you start your space suit from a space 'platform,' when the Earth is at the correct point in its rotation relative to heading for the moon space platform and then take one of the moon elevators to the surface! I don't like the idea of having to purchase your space travel suit. It should be provided free to every eligible, united Earth citizen.
There will be voluptuous robots on hand to do your bidding, comfy beds, sumptuous buffets, fascinating moon tours (1 dull gray pockmarked acre after another) plentiful bars ranging from elegant to sleazy (tastes vary), and more! The outdoor Lunar Mall is guaranteed to offer otherworldly specials.
OMG, that's it BC!!! You can be in charge of designing the first resorts! I am writing to the UN, NASA, ESA etc to recommend you. What will you call your first creation 'Crankies pleasure dome??'
Book me a room !!!!
universenessDecember 29, 2022 at 21:55#7675080 likes
Reply to 180 Proof
I was never a football fan, but even I would answer Pele, if asked who was the greatest footballer ever.
I don't know if that speaks well for Pele or just shows my lack of experience in watching the skills of others like George Best or Diego Maradona?
Reply to universeness Are the Scottish seas meant for swimming? From my recollection, they are murky icy bodies meant for dying. But, I could be wrong. Perhaps they make a lovely day of volleyball by the seaside and sailing in the warm breeze
I flew to the moon, got the center seat in the center aisle, movie screen didn't work, sat next to a toddler, terrible turbulence, and my seat wouldn't recline.
Excellent idea IF there are sufficiently light and very strong materials to meet the design and budgetary requirements. The image of a "cable" is probably not adequate to convey the size of the 'stem' on which vehicles would climb and descend. I gather the size of it would be more like the elevator shaft of a large building.
Still... if sufficient reasons for frequent departures and returns to earth existed (like industrial or settlement activity) manufacturing the elevator would be preferable to having heavy traffic in rockets taking off and returning.
Are the Scottish seas meant for swimming? From my recollection, they are murky icy bodies meant for dying. But, I could be wrong. Perhaps they make a lovely day of volleyball by the seaside and sailing in the warm breeze
Many Scottish island beach scenes are used in travel mags all over the world.
Some even pretend to be exotic locations when they are in fact pictures from the Orkneys or Shetlands.
Here is a brief wee vid clip as well, with some Scottish stylised background music:
Still... if sufficient reasons for frequent departures and returns to earth existed (like industrial or settlement activity) manufacturing the elevator would be preferable to having heavy traffic in rockets taking off and returning.
I'm partial to the proposals of orbital skyhook or launch loop. Both seem to me more feasible than a space elevator.
At least you are both showing interest in supporting tech that will facilitate humans existing outside this nest planet of ours. You support what to me, is the long awaited, obvious next step for our species.
There seems to be many here on TPF who want our species to remain Earth fixed forever and they also seem to predict that we are doomed.
I accused @180 Proof of being a doomster in a thread a while ago but I now think I was wrong.
I love the 'skyhook' and 'launch loop' links and the concepts they contain. I had not heard of either.
Humans are wonderful dreamers and it's amazing how our sci-fi musings can become real science, when scientists get enough time and investment to think about the ideas presented and fine tune them into real possibilities.
I have not heard of any recent scientist, deep in some mystical, theistic meditation, declaring a vision from god about creating a skyhook system so that its creation can 'travel towards the stars and exist beyond the Earth.'
What the f*** is it all there for? If we are supposed to remain tied to Earth? I don't understand anyone who is against space exploration and development.
I think all such folks should swear a New Year resolution for 2023, to stop being such pessimistic [s]pricks[/s], people.
Are the Scottish seas meant for swimming? From my recollection, they are murky icy bodies meant for dying. But, I could be wrong. Perhaps they make a lovely day of volleyball by the seaside and sailing in the warm breeze
I’ve been swimming in them many times. Due to the Gulf Stream it’s not so cold as it could be. It’s never icy. That said, the weather is obviously often dreich and drizzly, which isn’t nice to get out of the water for/to.
Many Scottish island beach scenes are used in travel mags all over the world.
Some even pretend to be exotic locations when they are in fact pictures from the Orkneys or Shetlands.
I trust they're beautiful, but do you swim there? I was in Oregon years ago, and there were dramatic beach views from the overlooking cliffs with pristine dunes along the way, but you couldn't swim there either just because of the cold.
how about a space elevator, then you don't need to speed up to 44.000 kph!
The problem with the space elevator is the kid who gets in and pushes every button and you have to wait forever to get to your floor.
Parents shouldn't let their kids use them as an amusement park ride.
Maybe by having one of those elevator attendants in a hat and vest, they could control that, but that added staff might make it too pricey for the typical family that just wants an affordable vacay.
universenessDecember 30, 2022 at 13:13#7676740 likes
Reply to Hanover
I refer you to my response to BC: Yeah, I would only go swimming in the sea, in full diving gear with air tanks strapped to my back and a supporting rescue team nearby. Glad you survived Cape Cod!
But that's just because, I'm a big fearty who cant really swim!
My 'big fearty' thinks BC might be correct when he typed: Quoting Bitter Crank
Which is why you are still here. People drown in swimming pools, of course, but natural water bodies tend to be devious and deceitful. Many who went down to the sea did not come back. I came very close to drowning on my first swim in the ocean, off Cape Cod. Had it not been for a surfer, I'd have met my Waterloo.
javi2541997December 30, 2022 at 13:14#7676750 likes
I know it is weird but in Spain we eat 12 grapes to welcome the year...
Reply to javi2541997 Oh yeah! I did that when I was in Spain for new year a few years ago. I was in a bar and everyone else was doing it. I didn’t understand it but I was happy to join in. Happy Night of the Twelve Grapes when it comes.
@universeness Have you noticed that a lot of people say “Happy New Year” before midnight on Hogmanay? It seems it’s only the Scots who add “when it comes.” I should get over it but it annoys me.
universenessDecember 30, 2022 at 13:26#7676800 likes
Reply to Jamal
:blush: I couldn't concentrate on the beach in your pic. Too many lovely girls:
Have you noticed that a lot of people say “Happy New Year” before midnight on Hogmanay? It seems it’s only the Scots who add “when it comes.” I should get over it but it annoys me.
I am just happy if I can still speak by the time the bells come, to be able to say 'Happy New Year!'
Why would the fact that the Scots are more accurate than others, when it comes to New Year salutations, annoy you?
Reply to universeness Either because I’m a grouch, or because it’s simply meant to be said on or after the bells—saying it before that, without “when it comes,” is apt to bring a curse upon both the message’s deliverer and deliveree.
javi2541997December 30, 2022 at 13:40#7676850 likes
Reply to Jamal the legend says that if you are able to eat those grapes in just 12 seconds you will have a good year.
Weird ceremony!
universenessDecember 30, 2022 at 13:48#7676880 likes
:lol: Your philosophy of Hogmanay is interesting, deep, nuanced, slightly esoteric and a bit mental. Alnoseeyaramorranite! So, Happy New Year! ra morra nicht, efter 12, surely yi kin still hay yin, even if yer still oanra wagon!
Any better?
What the f*** is it all there for? If we are supposed to remain tied to Earth? I don't understand anyone who is against space exploration and development.
I'm not against exploration. I remember 1969 very well. But to expect travel beyond Earth to be a significant benefit for most people is a pipe dream that distracts from solving problems we have here. Things that really matter are more mundane - energy, food, health, economy. Space travel as a solution to Earth's problems is pie in the sky.
universenessDecember 30, 2022 at 16:00#7677150 likes
Space travel as a solution to Earth's problems is pie in the sky.
Lot's of extraterrestial resources that would help humans here but we have to go and get them.
So, if you don't fancy that then what's all the extra space and that extra 'stuff' for, in your opinion?
Lot's of extraterrestial resources that would help humans here but we have to go and get them.
Seems odd that you, of all people except maybe for @Bitter Crank, would think that more capitalism will make things better for people.
universenessDecember 30, 2022 at 16:05#7677210 likes
Reply to T Clark
I am hoping we will have removed capitalism by then and money and we will be a global and united planet. I think these all handshake with each other. I think they are all slowly happening concurrently rather than consecutively.
I am hoping we will have removed capitalism by then
More pie in the sky.
universenessDecember 30, 2022 at 16:22#7677310 likes
Reply to T Clark
Have you ever travelled in an aeroplane?
Having a pie in the sky is nothing nowadays!
All human achievements start with humans thinking about what would make things better.
What is your answer to: Quoting universeness
So, if you don't fancy that then what's all the extra space and that extra 'stuff' for, in your opinion?
universenessDecember 30, 2022 at 16:29#7677360 likes
Reply to T Clark
Perhaps tomorrow Top Cat! It's Friday, time for a trad Glesga session!
I am hoping we will have removed capitalism by then and money and we will be a global and united planet
The post-capitalist space-faring vision of Gene Roddenberry in Star Trek, and a few thousand other sci-fi authors all make "a giant leap for mankind" FROM a) a present total human mess TO b) 3 centuries later when we have colonized the local galactic arm (at least). Nothing in-between! Some sci-fi authors provide a means for this leap, generally a deus ex machina of some sort.
Sci-fi technology works so well because the authors do not have to deal with recalcitrant physics, chemistry, biology, energy budgets, monetary matters, and the like. We happily suspend our disbelief.
what's all the extra space and that extra 'stuff' for?
Well, clearly it wasn't arranged for our convenience, we very-late-to-the-party species.
The real, not sci-fi, world seems to be turning into a mess, and in sci-fi terms, it's about time for the big leap forward to space-faring solutions. Following your lead, we have first to get rid of the dominant economic paradigm of capitalism, and replace it with a humane and also effective different paradigm. Much, much more easily said than done. We can't forget for a minute the rising levels of CO2, methane, nitrous oxide, hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) and ozone that are already putting a successful future (not even long-term) in doubt.
Perpetual economic growth is a requirement for science fiction futures, and real-world capitalism. Perpetual economic growth is, in a nutshell, the rotted core of the system. The need for perpetual growth is one of the reasons why capitalism is so destructive. It's also the stumbling block for an alternative system.
Reply to Shawn The 1950s get a deserved bad rap (McCarthyism, nuclear proliferation, the Military-Industrial Complex, et al) and an undeserved one (remember the Beats? the civil rights movement?). Were the 1950s a period of unrelieved gray flannel conformity? Hardly. The 1960, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, 20s, have ALL had conformity and dissent.
The 1960s benefit from not altogether deserved positive reviews. Naturally, those of us who ended our adolescence and entered into adulthood (without being sent to Vietnam) thought it was great. Rosy Retrovision.
Pick a decade, any decade, and think that we can define it within the 10 year period, and we find that its roots are in the previous decade, and that the next decade was already being hatched out. I don't like the ambiguities of this scheme, but it seems to be true whether I like it or not
Happy New Years to all. I've taken a few months out, wasn't sure if I'd return, but I'm now inclined to resume (in a limited capacity) as I'm still studying and pursuing themes in philosophy. I've tried publishing a couple of articles on Medium, to zero attention, but will probably also keep doing that too.
July. Went to North America and Europe for Aug-Sept, been home since October. Posted a few questions on philosophy.stackexchange and drafted a couple of articles on medium.
You have been gone on long travels with much travail through the badlands. The roads were long and hot when not steep, bitterly cold, and wet. You went out seeking truth, and now you have returned--tired, warn out, holes in your shoes, unwashed, your ragged academic robe covered with dust. You have come home.
Robert Frost:Home is the place where, when you have to go there, They have to take you in.
And what has it got in its pockets? A ring tone? A ring of truth? A ring of baloney? A ring around the rosie with a pocket full of posies? We don't know, but we shall have it!
Tell us a short story, 200 words or less, about crossing the badlands of modern philosophy. 75 more words than these and you meet the max. .
Reply to Bitter Crank Not so much badlands, as wastelands. Which brings to mind one of the books that got me here, Where the Wasteland Ends, Theodore Roszak. At the time I read it, early 1980's, it seemed prophetic, but I bought it again last year and now it seems overly polemical. Anyhow, Roszak was one of the writers who got me interested in counter-cultural philosophy.
Actually the roads were surprisingly hospitable and largely warm, as I was in America during August. Where I stayed in N America there was a legal weed shop just down the road, wherein I discovered the joys of THC chewables. Wish there was one in my neighbourhood, although it's probably better that there's not. In Europe, I was at the Tower of London at the very minute HMQE2 passed (if only I could have anticipated it and sold tickets in advance, would have financed the entire adventure.) We also went to Rome, Athens, Florence, Paris, Oxford, and my ancestral village in Gloucestershire.
You must be flying first class with all the capitalists. No pie for us back in economy.
I am glad you agree that 'capitalists' believe themselves above those in 'economy' class and their kind invented a 'superior' class of travel, for their exclusive use. Mahatma Gandhi, when travelling all over India, refused to travel 'first class,' and always travelled with the masses and dressed like the masses.
His like, demonstrates why we should get rid of classes of travel and we certainly don't want to take such social infections into space travel when we achieve such as a regular part of being human.
I take it you don't want to answer my question.
what's all the extra space and that extra 'stuff' for?
— universeness
Well, clearly it wasn't arranged for our convenience, we very-late-to-the-party species.
I agree it was not created with intent, but it is there. So can you offer me a reason why we should not move into it and make use of the resources available there, if we develop the tech to do so?
It seems a bit of a waste, if we don't, and it also seems to me, to be our obvious next step. Do you not feel that it is our compulsion to become an extraterrestial as well as a terrestial species?
universenessDecember 31, 2022 at 12:47#7679610 likes
Some sci-fi authors provide a means for this leap, generally a deus ex machina of some sort.
Sci-fi technology works so well because the authors do not have to deal with recalcitrant physics, chemistry, biology, energy budgets, monetary matters, and the like. We happily suspend our disbelief.
I am not expecting interstellar warp speed or spore drive capable spaceships, matter transporters and food replicators anytime soon, I agree, but a moon base, stepping stone space stations between Earth and the moon and then something similar towards Mars. Perhaps eventually a full transport system between here and Mars with many 'space hubs' in between. I think such is very much within out technological ability. Don't you? I think it will take perhaps 500 to 1000 years to do it but that's no time at all in the cosmic calendar scale. The sooner we seriously start the sooner we achieve such.
Maybe, once we start, the time frame might be far faster than I have predicted.
Following your lead, we have first to get rid of the dominant economic paradigm of capitalism, and replace it with a humane and also effective different paradigm. Much, much more easily said than done. We can't forget for a minute the rising levels of CO2, methane, nitrous oxide, hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) and ozone that are already putting a successful future (not even long-term) in doubt.
Perpetual economic growth is a requirement for science fiction futures, and real-world capitalism. Perpetual economic growth is, in a nutshell, the rotted core of the system. The need for perpetual growth is one of the reasons why capitalism is so destructive. It's also the stumbling block for an alternative system.
Yes, getting rid of capitalism, would be a great and wise first imperative but I think we are moving that way now, as tech is currently having a massive impact on the means of production, distribution and exchange.
Those individuals who amass an imbalanced amount of money and resources are beginning to look more and more ridiculous. The Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos type caricatures, are almost reaching 'freak' status, in the minds of most everyday people. Very few young folks I talk to, aspire to become like them. Paper and coin money are becoming superfluous. It's just numbers going up and down in our bank accounts. UBI seems to be more and more logical in an age of increasing automation. I think eventually even UBI will be superfluous and we will arrive at the resource based economy folks like Gene Roddenberry predicted. @T Clark thinks I am an impractical dreamer (I will resist inserting some John Lennon Lyrics here, as we are all already familiar with such) but we dreamed of going to the Moon, and we achieved it, and now (based on the Artemis project) we are going back, permanently!
I am glad you agree that 'capitalists' believe themselves above those in 'economy' class and their kind invented a 'superior' class of travel,
I can't claim to be one of the working people since I spent 30 years as an engineer working for medium to large engineering companies. Still, I worked for a living for 15 years before I went back to school to get my degree - ice cream scooper, warehouse worker, carpenter, woodworker. I've been a union member - District 65 - Distribution Workers. Even walked a picket line for a few days. I can't say I've paid my dues, but I've had rough hands and much stronger muscles than I have now.
I've known bosses whom I respect and admire, even love. I even admire Elon Musk. I think he's the reincarnation of Thomas Edison.
I'm a registered Democrat and I think my party's biggest problem is that we've turned our backs on working people.
I can't claim to be one of the working people since I spent 30 years as an engineer working for medium to large engineering companies.
True enough, ice cream scoopers are workers (working class) BUT so are engineers working for medium to large engineering companies.
IF you owned the engineering company (by which I mean had at least a significant, perhaps controlling stake in the same) and received the profits from the labor of the workers, you would be a capitalist. Your income (as an owner) would depend on the labor of other people. Having been given a little stock as a benefit for working there would not make you a capitalist. Being able to live reasonably well on your salary does not make you a capitalist, either.
You were a member of the working middle class -- professionally trained; performing technically complex tasks with some (maybe a lot) independence; you probably belonged to a professional organization. Your salary probably enabled you to live a comfortable lifestyle, including home ownership and equity accumulation. You probably had reasonably high aspirations for your children which you were able to support in monetary and personal ways. ALL THAT IS GOOD, BUT it doesn't make you a capitalist.
The companies (almost certainly) expected you to show up, produce usable results, follow orders (design this, improve that, etc.) behave properly (i.e., not even try to organize the engineers into a union) and in return paid you a salary. If you stopped showing up or stopped following orders, they would have stopped paying you. You were, in other words, dependent on your own labor to receive an income. You were a professional, maybe even licensed, worker.
The existential quality of a job scooping ice cream out of a bucket for brats at an amusement park or working in an air conditioned office engineering automatic ice cream dispensers are quite different, but have a critical feature in common: the scooper and the engineer are both paid only as long as they perform the specified labor. When either one stops working, the pay stops.
I hope this clarifies your position in the class structure.
The only war is the class war.
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.
Merry Christmas
Happy New Year
Now get back to work; we're not paying you to sit there discussing communism.
So can you offer me a reason why we should not move into it and make use of the resources available there, if we develop the tech to do so?
If we develop the means to tap useful extra-planetary resources (on the Moon, Mars, asteroids, etc.) there is no reason not to.
However, justification depends on the material and energy costs of doing so. We absolutely must solve the interwoven problems of global warming, food production, health, education, and population before we make very large commitments to mining Ceres, settling on the moon, mars, or someplace else.
500 to a 1000 years seems like a reasonable projection I am 100% in favor of space science, be that on the moon or someplace else. We can, I think, afford to do research in the present time, and we should.
It's just that if we don't solve the associated problems of global warming (it's not looking good) then we may not have the necessary surpluses to finance peopling the Moon, let alone Mars.
Reply to Shawn "A rising tide lifts all boats" is a positive sounding non-inferential statement.
Not if the boats have holes in them.
Not if the tide rushes in as a tsunami.
Not if the boats were grounded at high tide.
Not if the tide is driven in by a hurricane.
Not if the boat is a chicken wire canoe.
The 'lift' of a 'rising tide' isn't quite as specious as 'trickle down economics' but it is a related insipid conservative meme. Most people don't have a boat. Their wages are not sufficient for them to buy a boat. Without a redistribution of wealth, boats will remain a luxury for the few.
Meanwhile, Merry 7th day of Christmas and Happy New Year (just hours away)
Seven swans a-swimming
Six geese a-laying
Five gold rings (five golden rings)
Four calling birds
Three French hens
Two turtledoves
And a partridge in a pear tree
The Department of Agriculture has embargoed all bird shipments owing to the bird flu epidemic. Orders for swans, geese, calling birds, French hens, and turtledoves are cancelled. Chickens are especially at risk, but the song, sadly, didn't call for "a dozen chicks a peeping".
Reply to Shawn The current rate of saving as a share of disposable income is 5.1 percent, down from 10.5 percent in the covid year of 2021. 5% isn't that bad, 10% is better. However, if disposable income is low, savings will be low.
Wages, benefits, disposable income, and saving for a large share o the population, say 50%, have gradually decreased over the last 40 to 50 years owing to static income and (on average) steady inflation. Millions of wage earner were better off in 1973 than they will be in 2023. Of course, for a good share o the population, let's say 30%, incomes have beat inflation and they are relatively well off now, A remainder of the population has done very well.
If people can not meet normal expenses (food, clothing, housing, transportation health care) they certainly will not be able to save.
Hey, I am well aware that a lot of money gets wasted. A typical person practicing frugality could save more money. Before you demand that we all start practicing as severe a level of frugality as we can stand, bear in mind that spending drives the economy. A sharp increase in saving has concrete negative consequences, and can fuel a recession--a shrinking economy, Piles of cash in the bank don't help the economy without vigorous consumption.
Are you saying basically that wages (and especially minimum wages) haven't been beating the rise in inflation since XYZ year? Because that's my sentiment also.
If people can not meet normal expenses (food, clothing, housing, transportation health care) they certainly will not be able to save.
Yes, some are able to save. Yet, it seems that the situation is quite complex. People have lost purchasing power accounting for inflation. Yet, the wonders of the invisible hand have led to more choices of more goods than ever before, and due to industries of scale the buck goes much farther despite high inflation.
My general thought is that due to computerized allocation management of scarcity, we are witnessing a loss in nominal value of money due to inflation and a rise in purchasing power of goods. It's quite complex to imagine.
One of the noteworthy discoveries I made in the last few months is John Vervaeke.
John Vervaeke is an Assistant Professor in Cognitive Psychology and Cognitive Science at the University of Toronto. His work constructs a bridge between science and spirituality in order to understand the experience of meaningfulness and the cultivation of wisdom so as to afford awakening from the meaning crisis.
During this period, I've also discovered the benefits of (Amazon) audiobooks, which allow me to absorb ideas whilst working out, walking and driving. So far taken in Embodied Mind, an Introduction to Kierkegaard, and tentatively beginning Being and Time.
Reply to Shawn I always thought so, but then I got schooled by Tones in the Deep Freeze who cast aspersions on pop interpretations of Godel and recommended a challenging book. But from my naive viewpoint it seems a real lesson in the limits of certainty. And I like that he's a mathematical Platonist.
If anything is complex, it's economics and economic behavior. It's a game with 8 billion players and conflicting rules, crooked cues and elliptical billiard balls.
Well done and good luck for 2023. Right now I’m back in Moscow and last night there was not one grape to be seen. I did my best to have 12 vodka shots instead, but I didn’t make it.
Reply to frank Not really. There was an extreme dearth of gravy, which made chewing on the dry bits wretchedly vexatious. Don’t tell my mother-in-law I said that.
Reply to Jamal
That's ok then. Have you ever heard of the traditional new years meal with collard greens, black eyed peas and cornbread? It supposed to be good luck and it tastes terrible.
Reply to frank I’ve heard of those things. In my mind I associate them with the American South. I didn’t know they were associated with New Year, and I’m guessing there are people who love the dish. Maybe it’s like Brussels Sprouts: it is widely claimed that they are horrible, but I and the majority of my friends and family (75% according to the last survey) like them a lot.
javi2541997January 01, 2023 at 12:58#7682400 likes
I can't claim to be one of the working people since I spent 30 years as an engineer working for medium to large engineering companies. Still, I worked for a living for 15 years before I went back to school to get my degree - ice cream scooper, warehouse worker, carpenter, woodworker. I've been a union member - District 65 - Distribution Workers. Even walked a picket line for a few days. I can't say I've paid my dues, but I've had rough hands and much stronger muscles than I have now.
Maybe there is hope for you yet comrade! Man the barricades!!!! I'll be there!
I've known bosses whom I respect and admire, even love. I even admire Elon Musk. I think he's the reincarnation of Thomas Edison.
A boss you loved? Do you mean physically or.......
Thomas Edison! WTF!
Although, I do think there is some justice in your suggestion that if you existed once as a completely self- agrrandising, narcissistic, obnoxious bas****. That you might be reincarnated as the exact same character again and again, and that this repeats until you finally learn the error of your ways.
I'm a registered Democrat and I think my party's biggest problem is that we've turned our backs on working people.
I am a secular humanist/socialist who currently has lost all alliance with party politics and I agree that current politicians are not doing enough to help 'the poor and huddled masses,' or 'the working people.'
Oh, I forgot, Happy New Year TPF!
universenessJanuary 01, 2023 at 13:58#7682460 likes
Paper and coin money are a lot less superfluous when there isn't enough of it.
What is not superfluous and never will be is nurturing people and not profits.
Not nurturing people and nurturing profits more is the reason why most folks don't have enough 'means of exchange.' Anyway, you type stuff like: Quoting Bitter Crank
The only war is the class war.
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.
So for me, you are part of the solutions.
I think you should change that annoying 'Bitter Crank' handle of yours however. Perhaps make it your new year's resolution, no? Okaaaaaaaaaaay! I will stop asking you to! You don't need to form in my mind as a big angry face telling me to F*** off! Calm down comrade! :scream:
universenessJanuary 01, 2023 at 14:14#7682480 likes
It's just that if we don't solve the associated problems of global warming (it's not looking good) then we may not have the necessary surpluses to finance peopling the Moon, let alone Mars.
I think we broadly agree except in the 'order of events.'
I don't think we have to completely 'sort out the Earth and globally unite as a species,' before, making any moves towards significant space exploration and development.
I don't see the 'finance' barrier at all. Finance and money based economics are fake 'valuations.'
I just see humans, and a planet of finite resources.
If we invest some of those resources wisely then we can replenish the Earth with extraterrestial resources.
That's the fundamental way I see the situation.
I know its a naive frame of reference but it is nonetheless a fundamentally true and accurate frame of reference. The rest is just economic subterfuge, (the money trick, as described in Robert Tressell's(Noonan's) The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists) is, of our own historical creation.
We need to rip it out as it's holding us back!
universenessJanuary 01, 2023 at 14:21#7682520 likes
Meanwhile, Merry 7th day of Christmas and Happy New Year (just hours away)
Seven swans a-swimming
Six geese a-laying
Five gold rings (five golden rings)
Four calling birds
Three French hens
Two turtledoves
And a partridge in a pear tree
My general thought is that due to computerized allocation management of scarcity, we are witnessing a loss in nominal value of money due to inflation and a rise in purchasing power of goods. It's quite complex to imagine.
Don't forget (and I'm sure you have not) the personal lack of 'means of exchange' situations (or abject poverty and disenfranchisement) currently being experienced by the many global millions, living in small villages/townships/slums etc etc in 3rd world countries etc, all over the world. We cannot just have a view, based on the relative poor of 1st world countries.
Here's my favorite TWELVE DAYS satire -- it's a little edgy. Written in 1963 by a trio of young guys. I imagine they had great fun putting it together. The trio did a couple of pieces about Nazis, who in 1963 were only 18 years out of power. Their other one is "I Was Not a Nazi Polka".
I hope this clarifies your position in the class structure.
Ok, but I have been well-paid and I'm financially secure. I did work I enjoyed and I was generally treated well by my employers. I own my own home and car with no debt. I live in a safe neighborhood and I'm able to help my children out if they need it. I'm reasonably healthy and have good access to high quality health care. I'm not part of the 1%, but I am part of the top 20%.
I am among the most fortunate people who have ever lived. If you want to call me a working man, fine. But there's more to it than that.
Reply to T Clark Some of my best friends are well off in the same way you are. They went to college, kept their noses to the grindstone, married, had children, paid for their education, and lived well. However, as an employee, you did not make into even the petite bourgeoisie.
There isn't very much difference, though, between your success and the success of the actual petite bourgeois -- say, a professional running his own shop (dentist, lawyer, doctor, accountant). The labor required, the essential stick-to-it persistence, and the avoidance of dissipation (drugs, alcohol, gambling ... )
(A reverse has happened to a lot of doctors -- instead of running their own shop (excuse me, "practice") they are employees of HMOs and big clinics. Between their employers and insurance companies, they don't have a lot of say about how they do their job. However, they generally are well paid and do well in life.)
The goal of the socialist isn't to straiten your circumstances; the goal is to entitle all workers to a high quality standard of living. Of course, that means different things to different people.
Can we afford it?
Yes, but it will cost the top 1% dearly, maybe even some of the top 2 or 3%. We know that that there has to be a limit on superfluous production, not because of socialism, but because of global warming and global justice.
(There are about 1 billion internal combustion powered cars in use; unless they can be made out of dreams and run on wishes, replacing them with 1 billion electric vehicles is a plan which mostly benefits the auto industry. It's the same game as replacing billions of vinyl records with billions of plastic CDs and then CDs with digital. At least MP3s require fewer petroleum products.)
universenessJanuary 01, 2023 at 19:53#7683200 likes
Reply to Bitter Crank
Yeah, not bad, perhaps if I were Jewish I would have found it much funnier. :sweat:
What the hell are they saying for the 5th day. 'To hell with.....what?'
I'm here at this hotel and they've put literally thousands of Christmas lights on the grounds, so much so that there's lines of cars just driving through to see the show.
I'm under this huge Spanish oak with all its lights and this man and wife are there. She's marveling at the display under the moonlit sky, and Prince Charming explains to her, "I know you're wondering how the power grid at the hotel sustains this type of load, but with new technology low voltage LEDs, it's not a problem, so they're not dealing with tripping breakers."
Men are so stupid right?
As if in the olden days they couldn't have just modified the electric box to sustain incandescent bulbs. I'm sure that was what she was really thinking.
Then they returned to their room and made sweet love.
I bet Edison was an asshole too.
'the poor and huddled masses,' or 'the working people.'
— universeness
Working people are not poor and huddled masses.
Oh, he definitely was!
For most 'working people,' they are one pay packet (or more accurately, one bank deposit,) away from being a full member of 'the poor and huddled masses.'
universenessJanuary 01, 2023 at 20:05#7683240 likes
You could go for something enigmatic such as 'mystique' or 'emergence' or something fun like 'omnibrain,' 'omnidude' or 'omnidancer.'
There is of-course, my personal fav, 'I always agree with universeness!'
What the hell are they saying for the 5th day. 'To hell with.....what?'
"To hell with Adenauer" -- Konrad Adenauer was the first chancellor of Germany after WWII -- serving from 1949 to 1963 with the CDU.
Even before the end of the war, a new political party was being founded by Adenauer —the German Christian Democratic Union (CDU)—in which Roman Catholics and Protestants buried their long-standing differences to present a common front against Nazism and to promote Christian principles in government. Adenauer was not a Nazi, and was stripped of his Cologne political posts in 1933. He ended up in a concentration camp in 1944. (wikipedia)
He was Chancellor after Allied occupation and restoration of Germany as a (again) legitimate nation. The CDU is a catch-all for center right views. According to Wikipedia, denazification ended in 1951; "the program was hugely unpopular in West Germany, where many Nazis maintained positions of power".
Ah, ok! There are a lot of good suggestions, using words from your own post for your new handle.
Longstanding
Commonfront
Allied
CatchAll
Accordingto
Powerpositions
Or, that IalwaysagreewithUniverseness is still available!
The Clornpone chorus was imbedded in my brain in 1958 and has haunted me ever since, It's is the only good number in the musical Li'l Abner, but the Appalachian hick aesthetic of the show is just too debilitating.
Porncone? How about ubi est bubula? Verklempt? Fur clamped?
Reply to Noble Dust Reminds me of a phrase, screwed blued and tattooed. Not sure what 'that means, 3 meanings cited by the urban dictionary:
Refers the leather tanning process
refers to a sailors life -- sex, putting on the uniform, getting a tattoo
refers to being a victim of assault and robbery
Perhaps they are all accurate, but in bar talk, surely it is the reference to becoming a sailor that is referenced.
Regardless, in bar parlance, it means "having been thoroughly done". Maybe?
Some absolute SAVAGERY going on in the world right now.
See when we let the monsters we think we're fighting and detest reproduce within ourselves we become little more than a slave to them, and little more than a reflection of them, despite one's best efforts and personal assurances of the opposite..
Perhaps this is what makes life interesting. Perhaps..
Makes the job easier, somewhat. Not always.
I'd recommend a good and long-overdue workout session to any and all afflicted.
Of course.. wisdom doth often fall on deaf ears.
universenessJanuary 02, 2023 at 10:35#7685850 likes
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I am beginning to think you are merely teasing and you wont change your Bitter and Cranky handle.
What is the connection between your bitter and cranky and your nice doggy pic?
Did you or do you have a dog in your life that was/is bitter and cranky?
Sometimes names become a liability. One can imagine how anxious I. G. Farben was to change their name after all that unflattering news about Zyklon B. Phillip Morris felt the need to change their name to Altria. The Marlboro Man was great PR, but sadly the guys died from smoking along with millions of other tobacco users.
RJ Reynolds is as involved in dead smokers as Phillip Morris. They tried pairing themselves with Nabisco to give themselves a more wholesome reputation. That didn't last. Nabisco is a name change too -- formerly National Biscuit Company. Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing abbreviated themselves to 3M. Seems like a good move.
Did you or do you have a dog in your life that was/is bitter and cranky?
No. Dogs don't become bitter cranks. They quite often get bitter and resentful when they have to get off the couch, don't get a share of raw hamburger, are going to be left at home for 5 minutes, somebody is getting more attention than they are, aren't allowed on the bed, and so on.
Crazy dogs skip crankhood and go directly to insanity. Insane dogs are almost always the result of insane owners. It's easy to raise happy dogs--you just have to make them the center of your life and bend over backwards to make sure they are getting some of what they want--a piece of cheese, yes; the apple pie, no. A little piece, yes; the whole roast, no. Walks every day to interesting places with plenty of time to stop and sniff (for the dog), The dog will want to join you on the couch; quite possibly own the couch. Ditto for the bed.
Reply to T ClarkReply to Noble Dust They’re both rhythmic in their own ways. Yaba daba doo is four eighth notes, then a quarter note, then a quarter note rest. Yaba daba dingbat doo shifts the quarter note to the end of the measure and adds an extra two eighth notes before it, in the form of dingbat.
I'm perfectly capable of discerning the musical cadences of both phrases, thank you. In fact, I don't find a quarter note rest to be present nor needed at the end of the first phrase. Such a suggestion would imply that rest phrases of various lengths are required at the ends of any and all sentences, based solely on the length of the last word of the sentence, which is absurd.
I'm perfectly capable of discerning the musical cadences of both phrases, thank you
I didn’t say or imply that you weren’t. I was primarily responding to TC, but I wanted to include you because you were part of the conversation, and because my comment was in support of yours. And anyway, I was just giving my analysis of the rhythm, which anyone is free to disagree with, as you in fact did.
I don't find a quarter note rest to be present nor needed at the end of the first phrase
Well, it’s not exactly needed, but to me it seems that by the time you get to the “doo” in the shorter phrase, 4/4 time has been implied already, and if you say the two phrases back to back it’s natural to fall into that meter, in which the shorter phrase has either a rest after the “doo”, or else a full half-note “doo”.
They’re both rhythmic in their own ways. Yaba daba doo is four eighth notes, then a quarter note, then a quarter note rest. Yaba daba dingbat doo shifts the quarter note to the end of the measure and adds an extra two eighth notes before it, in the form of dingbat.
I'm perfectly capable of discerning the musical cadences of both phrases, thank you. In fact, I don't find a quarter note rest to be present nor needed at the end of the first phrase. Such a suggestion would imply that rest phrases of various lengths are required at the ends of any and all sentences, based solely on the length of the last word of the sentence, which is absurd.
I didn’t say or imply that you weren’t. I was primarily responding to TC, but I wanted to include you because you were part of the conversation, and because my comment was in support of yours. And anyway, I was just giving my analysis of the rhythm, which anyone is free to disagree with, as you in fact did...
...Well, it’s not exactly needed, but to me it seems that by the time you get to the “doo” in the shorter phrase, 4/4 time has been implied already, and if you say the two phrases back to back it’s natural to fall into that meter, in which the shorter phrase has either a rest after the “doo”, or else a full half-note “doo”.
And people ask me why I want to be a member of The Philosophy Forum. Where else can I find such deep discussions about such important philosophical issues.
Reply to T Clark Annoying a New Yorker is like shooting fish in a barrel and should be avoided in favour of more challenging sport.
universenessJanuary 03, 2023 at 10:52#7689800 likes
Reply to Bitter Crank
All very interesting and tells me absolutely nothing about your choice of a golden retriever image to represent your bitter crank handle. It also tells me nothing about your procrastination as regards changing that depressing handle! Perhaps that's just your cunning plan! :lol: :roll: :zip: :lol:
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 03, 2023 at 12:20#7689990 likes
And anyway, I was just giving my analysis of the rhythm, which anyone is free to disagree with, as you in fact did.
Of course anyone might disagree, there is no cadence or time signature given, and no specific temporal value assigned to the individual syllables expressed, nor even an indication of accents. Therefore there cannot be a correct way. Some may have heard it one way, or hear it in the mind, imaginarily, another way, and automatically think that's the correct way because it's personally intuitive. But metre is a very tricky thing, and subtle differences may have a large effect.
Incidentally, my OED defines "metre" as 1. a) "any form of poetic rhythm, determined by the number and length of feet in a line."
"The number and length of feet in a line", what's that about?
"The number and length of feet in a line", what's that about?
You mean what’s with the feet? A poetry thing. Different terminology from music. Or else, the feet indicate the dance steps.
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 03, 2023 at 13:38#7690130 likes
Reply to Jamal
I always thought there was about 3.3 feet in a metre, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.
Dr. Google tells me " A poetic foot is a basic repeated sequence of meter composed of two or more accented or unaccented syllables."
So how many feet would be in "yaba daba doo", and how many feet in “yaba daba dingbat doo.”? Or is it just a matter of personal preference? I see that the definition requires two or more syllables for a foot. So I don't think "doo" has a foot to stand alone on, in one case it's united with "daba" and in the other with "dingbat". Maybe "yaba daba dingbat ski doo" would be better, or even "yaba daba douche canoe".
Reply to Noble DustReply to T ClarkReply to Baden My gratitude for your invaluable assistance knows no bounds, but you left out the suffering of @Universeness who was absolutely verklempt over the old Bitter Crank moniker.
Yes, but British Columbia is still BC. bc is also short for 'because'.
It takes me a long time to transfer characteristics to somebody's new name. BC may help those similarly affected. Who was @Shawn once upon a time? When did he start wallowing?
And he didn't even ask nicely. It was like, "Hey serf, change my name". :sad:
Oh, I'm very sorry. I didn't know you were not a serf. It surely isn't my fault if you weren't paying attention when Tsar Alexander II freed you all. Still, here is magnanimous butter-with-sugar-and-cinnamon-sprinkled-on-top THANK YOU to all of our servant moderators.
I think the @BC vs. @Bitter Crank debate is the profoundest philosophical display since the great "Yaba daba do" vs. "Yaba daba dingbat do" controversy.
you left out the suffering of Universeness who was absolutely verklempt over the old Bitter Crank moniker.
Thanks for reducing my suffering. There are not many on TPF who display empathetic ability.
BC is OK, it reminds you of your old bad handle and allows others to create their own personal expansion for your new mnemonic.
Best Criminal
Bad Christian
Beautiful Crescendo
Big Cucumber
Blistered Cake
Bomber Command
Benedict Cumberbatch
Berry Cood
and many many more!
universenessJanuary 03, 2023 at 22:39#7692370 likes
Reply to BC
Oh! I forgot, there is now some sense to the golden retriever.
Willowz, was the one I became known as at the old forum. Posty Mc Postface was suggested by @Michael and seemed to do well. I guess first names don't do well online. Seems not snazzy enough...
javi2541997January 04, 2023 at 06:20#7693360 likes
Reply to Jamal They both means the same. But Cerdo is more like a pejorative word which means a person who doesn't have hygiene.
Gocho is more friendly. When I was a kid I remember my mother calling me Gocho when I was eating the food so fast.
In the other hand: all professionals of animal husbandry use the word "cerdo" and "porcino" instead of gocho. It is a shame...
javi2541997January 04, 2023 at 06:21#7693370 likes
Thanks to everyone on these forums and it’s predecessor. Played a huge part in my intellectual life. And in part due to things we’ve talked about now my first peer-reviewed journal article just dropped!
javi2541997January 04, 2023 at 09:18#7693610 likes
Swine = Old English, Dutch
Hog = Celtic, Old English
Pig = Old English from picbred, pig bread, meaning acorn
Pork = Latin Porcus - Old French porc
Barrow = a castrated young pig
Gilt = a young female pig, from Old Norse
sow = Old English, Dutch, German
boar = Old English, Dutch, German (Porto West Germanic bair)
Shoat = Middle English
Not all piggery words are good for insulting. "Pork", for instance, hasn't taken on the negative connotations of "swine" (usually men) or "sow" (woman). "Hog" and "pig" are only mildly negative. "Porker" on the other hand is insulting.
"Hog" became a verb at some point, used in protest -- "You're hogging the blankets".
Swine are unfairly referenced as voracious fast messy eaters. Lots of animals eat with unfettered enthusiasm. And if they aren't competing with the other pigs in the trough, they eat more thoughtfully -- a single pig eating apples does so considerately.
javi2541997January 04, 2023 at 19:03#7694600 likes
Reply to BC Interesting! In Spanish, we also have words for piggery:
Cerdaca: Pejorative. It means when a woman has relationships with a lot of men. Gorrino: we use this word to refer to a fat pig. Puerco: I think it comes from Latin Porcus. Gotxo: Basque. Porc: Catalan. Cerdo: Spanish. Porco: Galician. Chancho: rural slang.
We have a few sayings related to pigs: "como un cerdo en el barro" (like a pig in the mud) it means you are so happy doing something (in a mood of happiness) A todo Cerdo le llega su San Martín (it means that karma pays back :lol: )
Reply to javi2541997 One of the pig-related etymology entires referenced Sanskrit and several intervening Indo-European languages. Domesticated pigs have moved with us across the world--but not in the Western Hemisphere until around 1500.
Pigs wallow in mud in the summer to cool off. They do look very contented in the mud. These days, most pigs do not have the opportunity to wallow since they are confined in barns. In the past, not all that long ago, pigs were raised in smaller batches on smaller farms and they were outside as much as they wanted to be.
Pigs are actually quite smart. As one hog farmer said, "If we had been breeding pigs for brains instead of meat, they'd probably be eating with us by now."
Is there a saying in Spanish that talks about the kindness or the big heart of a pig?
javi2541997January 04, 2023 at 20:26#7694920 likes
Reply to Shawn Yes. There is a saying that says: Del cerdo hasta los andares. It means that the pig is a very important and relevant animal.
I wish it is close to what you were asking for.
Reply to ShawnReply to javi2541997 How about "In a pig's eye"? used to express strong disagreement or to suggest something cannot happen. "Are you going to vote for Trump?" "In a pig's eye". "When pigs fly" conveys the same impossibility.
A pig in a poke? Something that is bought or accepted without knowing its value or seeing it first. A "poke" is a purse. The pig in a poke expression was used in 1555 ---]]
[i]I wyll neuer bye the pyg in the poke
Thers many a foule pyg in a feyre cloke [fair cloak][/i]
Pig ate my Pizza--local suburban pizza place. Odd.
Sweat like a pig... Pigs sweat, but the number of sweat glands is insufficient to keep them cool. So, if somebody is sweating like a pig, are they sweating a lot, or not sweating enough? A mystery.
javi2541997January 04, 2023 at 21:02#7695020 likes
He's wrecking the Republicans. Is that not a good thing?
I'll admit to some gloating, but I try not to show it too much. The US needs two functioning political parties, both willing and able to govern. But that's irrelevant to the fact that Gaetz is clearly evil.
Cerdaca: Pejorative. It means when a woman has relationships with a lot of men.
Contemporary usage would be "slut", from 14th century English.
"Pig" has pejorative sexual connotations and applies to both men and women in different contexts. An inordinately promiscuous gay male might be referred to as a pig.
There is a very unrefined song not suitable for present upstanding company, The Ballad of Ethel Pump, about a drunken slob and an ugly whore ("the closer she got the more she looked like Ghengis Kahn"). Miss Pump was not pretty and not petite, she was a B I G woman. The pig connection: she snorts like a pig.
Crass indeed. American piggery has a better PR company: "Pork: the other white meat". (Not the other meat white people like; they are trying to get people to think of pork as chicken, which is Orwellian.)
Author Dorothy Parker was attempting to go through a doorway at the same time as playwright Clare Boothe Luce, and words were exchanged. “Age before beauty” said Luce while yielding the way. “And pearls before swine,” replied Parker while gliding through the doorway.
javi2541997January 06, 2023 at 06:11#7698660 likes
To eat (a specific thing) gluttonously or to excess.
We found out the exact definition of gotxo in English!
universenessJanuary 06, 2023 at 09:57#7698860 likes
I am so annoyed at how much of the news in the UK this morning is about that silly little ex-prince and his little book. It's sole purpose, is to enrich the author and his family.
I might feel a little bit differently if the pratt stated that he would give all profits from the book to charities but he wont. If the book does damage to the monarchy in the UK and it helps end that farce then it's done some good but I doubt it will as too many people here love the 'soap opera,' which now IS the British monarchy and aristocracy.
"Nobody gives a damn': Home Depot's co-founder says the rise of 'socialism' is making people 'too lazy,' 'too fat,' and 'too stupid' to work — here are 4 stocks to capitalize on that trend..."
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 06, 2023 at 11:48#7698910 likes
Reply to frank What's your avatar? Are you some type of pig (nothing derogatory intended)?
That's a tidbit of AI generated art. It's a gorilla.
I thought it was a bulldog when I saw it the first time.
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 06, 2023 at 13:19#7699020 likes
Reply to javi2541997
i don't know man, it looks more like a pig's snout than a gorilla's nose to me. It's flat.
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 06, 2023 at 13:29#7699030 likes
This brings to my mind the "snub-nose" property, which Plato was fond of as a descriptive term. Aristotle used it as an example of an accidental rather than essential property. Anyone know if the snub-nose is supposed to be an attractive feature, or an unattractive feature?
javi2541997January 06, 2023 at 13:41#7699050 likes
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover look at his eyes and ears. They remind me about a French bulldog.
But it is true that the snout is controversial. It could be from a pig or a gorilla.
thought it was a bulldog when I saw it the first time.
It looks primate to me, but then I've been fascinated for a while about how the homo sapiens face developed. The jaw of earlier members of the homo genus basically receded until the nose was left sticking out. Sometimes human jaws recede too much and it causes Pierre Robin syndrome. It's pretty common.
javi2541997January 06, 2023 at 15:28#7699180 likes
Reply to frank Yes, anthropology is interesting! It looks like that our characteristics developed or receded in terms of helping us to keep surviving... but my knowledge is not so deep in this context :sad:
Reply to javi2541997
There's also a theory that the human brain is big because of a mutation that weakened the jaw muscles. The earlier strong jaw muscles constrained the size of the skull, so weaker muscles allowed the skull to keep growing. Since our jaws were weak, we couldn't eat the kind of vegetable matter that our primate ancestors could, so we didn't need a big jaw anymore. The jaw just receded and left the nose sticking out.
Shouting has no place in philosophy. The still small voice of reason appeals to the intellect, not the eardrum. However much one may like sausages or David Bowie.
It actually is a combination pig/primate. The anthropologists and geneticists were too embarrassed to publish this, but about 5 million years ago, pigs and primates successfully mated (it was very perverse) and the offspring flourished. Our perverse pedigree of pig/primate is what accounts for so much of our totally disgusting behavior. However, it was pig brains that gave us the evolutionary edge.
Reply to T Clark Difficult to deny that one's love of sausages doesn't imply that the voice of reason appeals to the eardrum rather than the intellect.
pigs and primates successfully mated (it was very perverse) and the offspring flourished.
Wow! :sweat:
Well, I guess it is a good example of the fauna cheering and Interacting each other without repression and human control. That's a real scenario of savagry in virgin land.
We've forgotten that working class people are the heart of our country and the Democratic Party.
Working class. That sounds so sad. I imagine some lady in a basement sweatshop, who was knocked down on her way home by some kids and she broke both wrists and she couldn't work the sewing machine anymore so she resorts to prostitution to feed her illegitimate baby and she got syphilis and became a drug addict was accidentally caught in a fire at the chemical plant and it turned her into Cat Woman and now she's a super villain all because the system failed her.
Working class. That sounds so sad. I imagine some lady in a basement sweatshop, who was knocked down on her way home by some kids and she broke both wrists and she couldn't work the sewing machine anymore so she resorts to prostitution to feed her illegitimate baby and she got syphilis and became a drug addict was accidentally caught in a fire at the chemical plant and it turned her into Cat Woman and now she's a super villain all because the system failed her.
This says a lot about you and nothing about me or my ideas.
This says a lot about you and nothing about me or my ideas.
Interestingly Richard Rorty said a similar thing to you back in 2000 (or thereabouts) the Left has lost its way and needs to reunite diverse marginalized groups (most of these being underpaid or unemployed workers) into a majoritarian reformist left rather than a fragmented cultural left movement. Majoritarian causes being health insurance, minimum wage, work conditions and decent affordable housing.
Interestingly Richard Rorty said a similar thing to you back in 2000 (or thereabouts) the Left has lost its way and needs to reunite diverse marginalized groups (most of these being underpaid or unemployed workers) into a majoritarian reformist left rather than a fragmented cultural left movement.
Yes, well... Obviously, the idea isn't original with either Rorty or me. Seems to me that from a certain political perspective it is self-evident.
Reply to T Clark Yep. I was only drawing attention to Rorty because he is often known as a decadent relativist and a symptom of academic abstraction. These matters of class are, of course, venerable.
William should have finished Harry off when he had him on the ground, A quick sword thrust.
It's the same old crap! I despair more of the people who follow the soap opera and buy the freaking books! People talk about how nefarious historical monarchies are but yet one is still tolerated in the UK.
People say 'but they have no power.' Hah! they have the power to legitimise the vile idea of being given extremely privileged status and reverence based solely on bloodline and birthright.
Not in the picture were my homemade buttermilk biscuits, which I made with frozen grated butter, which provides an outlet for the marmalade. Those are breakfast sausage patties, but burgers slathered in jam is funnier, so I'll go with that.
Funny story. I was in Iceland and we were on some trail and an Italian family was eating raw bacon on bread straight from the package that was packaged in English. It was pulling out all stringy as they ate it.
Had I known Italian and had my kids not thought it so funny, I'd have told them it wasn't prosciutto. Probably had a good coating of raw lard in their mouth after that.
It's your arteries that are in peril. Bonne Maman apricot jam, though, is a good thing. Bonne Maman offered an advent calendar of 24 - 1 oz. jars of jam, most varieties of which never show up in the United States -- the French keep the good stuff for themselves. I think Amazon still has them for sale.
Reply to BC The Bonne Maman jam just started showing up in our grocery stores, and it's been a hit at Chez Hanover. There's also a fig spread that's very good.
It's better than the family size grape jam I grew up on.
When I was a kid, I always wanted to buy the already mixed peanut butter and jelly jars because it had cool stripes of each ingredient in it, yet my unloving patents refused, insisting it was disgusting.
I’m guessing toasted almond, butterscotch, or golden wheat. I’d like to use the phrase “burnt umber” but that’s a different colour entirely.
It was actually called "Suburban Resignation Bland." I had wanted what was simply called "Regret" because for a single price you could get an unlimited supply. They called it their bottomless pit sale.
Come to think of it, that was a really fucked up paint store.
Bonne Maman was founded in a small village nestled in a beautiful region in the Southwest of France known for its superior fruit.
But Wikipedia says
The Bonne Maman brand was created by [French multinational food company] Andros in 1971 as a mass-produced product with a home-made feel, with a handwritten-style label, gingham-patterned lid, and a name meaning "granny".
I don’t think that had occurred to me, even though for a few months I took the dogs for a walk around a plum orchard every day and picked plums off the trees. One of the dogs was blind and kept walking into the trunks of the plum trees, which she didn’t seem to mind, and another was old and fell over when he got excited and tried to run too fast.
Reply to Jamal You were a seeing eye human and you would have been permitted in the dog park where typically humans aren't allowed, but you could because you were a special needs human.
Reply to Jamal Why would anyone have a period when they didn't eat jam? How long did the sans jam period last?
Reply to Hanover There's a shade of gray called 'existential despair'.
The Bonne Maman brand was created by [French multinational food company] Andros in 1971 as a mass-produced product with a home-made feel, with a handwritten-style label, gingham-patterned lid, and a name meaning "granny".
Many fine looking packaged foods are made in dark satanic mills. Peanut butter, for example, (known as legume sludge until final labeling) is all made at one plant located on the Houston Ship Canal, in-between petroleum refineries. It's shipped out in railroad tank cars to repackaging plants around the country and given various labels -- Jif, Skippy, Nature's Organic Goodness, or whatever. I prefer Jif extra crunchy. The most expensive frozen entrees are made in a former pesticide chemical plant in New Jersey and shipped around the country by freight trains. P. F. Chang's is pretty good.
A gingham patterned hand-lettering-like label will give any old can of worms a quality flavor and mouth feel.
Reply to BC Georgia produces lots of peanuts. Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer before failing as President. We had a peanut farm here that made people vomit and such and the regulators came in and put red stickers on the doors that said "No More" or something like at.
That's how they say "like that". They say "like at."
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 07, 2023 at 19:54#7703350 likes
We should organize the shoutbox into a book and sell it. We could call it Shoutbook, by Hanover et al.
As if....
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 07, 2023 at 20:01#7703390 likes
@Baden
Thank you for reaching out to me. I haven't had anything positive to say for over a year now and our first appearance before the judge is the 31st of this month.
I don't mind being alone but the isolation is killing me.
Fucking a ..here come the tears....
It's really a time capsule of such seeing as the kids and Cosmic Wanker moved out in October.
I know I am not judged here but please don't stop reaching out to me. I'm not in the best state of mind.
I'm down to affording one meal a day and it sucks to be having to hunker down month after month.
I'm sorry.....
I was reading about leg lengthening surgery, and I've decided to go with arm lengthening instead. That way I can get stuff off high shelves and can drag my knuckles on the floor to pick up things too. With long legs, all I'd get is help with high places.
The other thing is long legs wouldn't fit in my bed, but long arms would allow me to flip the light switch off on the wall without having to get up.
I'm going to get the right arm done and then think about the left one.
Unsurprisingly, you pose this as an either/or. You should probably get one arm and one leg done as a compromise.
Not a bad idea. I'm going to call my bicycle guy to have him modify my pedals for me to account for the different leg lengths. That should be the only big issue, but he's a really good bicycle guy. He put a seat on the pole that I didn't realize was missing. MUCH more comfortable. You have no idea.
This, my friends, is why there must always be a Shoutbox.
Happy to help. Just remember to do the lengthening on opposite sides; otherwise, you'll keep falling over due to the extra weight on one side. (See diagram, which I got from a medical textbook).
Reply to BC Is that metric or American? I have a European friend whose bunghole was leaky, so he tried using mine, but the American calibration was imprecise enough that it stripped the nut, so he had to bore out the bolt, manually rethread the hole with a hard screw, and twist in an anchor in the enlarged hole so that the new bolt would hold fast and the bung would be sealed and not leak past the bolt.
Delete any post, except this one, that includes the word "proportionate."
Unban Donald Trump Jr.
Delete posts referencing any philosopher who's name starts with "H"
Dox @Hanover as an 87-year-old long-term inmate at Central State Psychiatric Hospital in Milledgeville, Georgia.
Pin the "Abolish the Shoutbox" thread to the front page right under "The Shoutbox"
Require that "colour" be spelled as "color", "humour" as "humor", "centre" as "center", and "metre" as "meter."
Delete any references to soccer as "football." "Football" will only be allowed in reference to American football. Ok, maybe Canadian and Australian rules football too.
What would be funny is if we close Shoutbox 2 and then someone opens a feedback discussion demanding it be reopened. Et voila, we have Shoutbox 3. This process could theoretically go on indefinitely until the vast majority of TPF is made up of Shoutbox discussions and @alan1000's criticisms ironically become validated.
What would be funny is if we close Shoutbox 2 and then someone opens a feedback discussion demanding it be reopened. Et voila, we have Shoutbox 3. This process could theoretically go on indefinitely until the vast majority of TPF is made up of Shoutbox discussions and alan1000's criticisms ironically become validated.
Reply to T Clark
Spot on.
Metaphysics comes after physics, like after shave.
The effort devoted to either is proportionate to what is excluded by the other.
We are all Donald Trump Jr.
Your vague attack against Heraclitus is a dodge to avoid supporting your Paramedian proclivities.
You cannot be certain Hanover has not already doxed himself.
The rest is an attempt to appropriate culture which I would appropriate back if I could remember what it was. I do remember the scrums from rugby.
Lights from cars form arcs across the ceiling of my RV.
Reply to Hanover The magnum mysterium is why these sorts of ads are presented to me in the first place. All sorts of mechanical things -- brackets, shafts, grinders, ball bearings, pumps, etc. Apparently they think I'm a machine shop.
Truth be told, I find many of them intriguing; I can't tell what they conceivably could be for, but they look cool. (It's just the picture, and off to the right the seller.)
Anyway, I don't know whether it's metric or imperial (now the American Empire, not the British has been).
Spot on.
Metaphysics comes after physics, like after shave.
The effort devoted to either is proportionate to what is excluded by the other.
We are all Donald Trump Jr.
Your vague attack against Heraclitus is a dodge to avoid supporting your Paramedian proclivities.
You cannot be certain Hanover has not already doxed himself.
The rest is an attempt to appropriate culture which I would appropriate back if I could remember what it was. I do remember the scrums from rugby.
Lights from cars form arcs across the ceiling of my RV.
This is a pitiful attempt at [s]humour[/s] humor.
As for Hanover, he's told so many stories, lies, about himself, he can't remember who he really is. Those goats are just a figment of his shattered, warped psychopathology.
Reply to T Clark Even after reading a score of WWII histories, it's difficult to grasp the enormity of it. This map displays the appalling cost paid by Eastern Europe for Hitler's Lebensraum. The map provides no nuance. Not its fault -- it is a map not a history. Compare Britain's losses in WWII to WWI--0.94% of the population in WWII and 6% of the male population in WWI -- about 3% of the population. 19,240 soldiers died on the first day of the battle of the Somme, which was fought from July 1, 1916 – November 18, 1916. There were 1 million casualties and 300,000 deaths, for a not-decisive victory by the British and the French armies.
Seems redundant and contradictory; psychopathology is, by definition, warped. Shattered psychopathology sounds like a cure. And then, imaginations have figments, not psychopathologies, shattered, warped, or otherwise.
Are you sure you're ready to be a moderator, given that moderators never make mistakes, always observe the Elements of Style, and in some respects are perfect?
Even after reading a score of WWII histories, it's difficult to grasp the enormity of it. This map displays the appalling cost paid by Eastern Europe for Hitler's Lebensraum. The map provides no nuance. Not its fault -- it is a map not a history. Compare Britain's losses in WWII to WWI--0.94% of the population in WWII and 6% of the male population in WWI -- about 3% of the population. 19,240 soldiers died on the first day of the battle of the Somme, which was fought from July 1, 1916 – November 18, 1916. There were 1 million casualties and 300,000 deaths, for a not-decisive victory by the British and the French armies.
When we were in Europe in 2014, my brother and I drove south from Amsterdam, through Belgium, into Germany, then to Alsace, back into Germany and into Luxembourg. On the way down, we followed the opening line of battle for WW1. Castles, fortresses, and battle scenes were as frequent as Dunkin Donuts are here in New England. We got a real, visceral feel for how overwhelming the effect of war on European history has been. Here in the US we have mostly been sheltered from that.
Are you sure you're ready to be a moderator, given that moderators never make mistakes, always observe the Elements of Style, and in some respects are perfect?
Not only am I ready, it is, as George McFly said, my density.
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 09, 2023 at 01:55#7706620 likes
Is that metric or American? I have a European friend whose bunghole was leaky, so he tried using mine, but the American calibration was imprecise enough that it stripped the nut, so he had to bore out the bolt, manually rethread the hole with a hard screw, and twist in an anchor in the enlarged hole so that the new bolt would hold fast and the bung would be sealed and not leak past the bolt.
Couldn't he have just wrapped a shitload of plastic or waxed paper around a threaded rod or something like that, and screwed it? Pipe dope, the plumber's magic. There's not that much pressure in a bunghole is there? But don't start a plumber talking about laying pipe.
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover The world is going PVC these days. Gone are the days of welding straight to the bunghole. Nowadays, you just put a generous swab of liquid cement and the bond is unbreakable. The problem is that any sudden thrust will break the pipe off flush at the bunghole and you've got nothing to attach the next pipe to, so you have to root all around the bunghole trying to extract what you can.
My problem with the copper pipes is the meth heads come steal it and sell it for scrap. They take it right out from under me, straight from my bunghole while I'm sleeping. Ever woken up with an invaded bunghole? Trust a man who knows. Very disconcerting.
I was reading about leg lengthening surgery, and I've decided to go with arm lengthening instead. That way I can get stuff off high shelves and can drag my knuckles on the floor to pick up things too. With long legs, all I'd get is help with high places.
The other thing is long legs wouldn't fit in my bed, but long arms would allow me to flip the light switch off on the wall without having to get up.
I'm going to get the right arm done and then think about the left one.
Thoughts?
I shortened the ring finger on my left hand last month by a quarter inch, though not intentionally. I broke the metacarpal and the uncorrected displacement resulted in less finger length. The only possible advantage that I can imagine so far is that if I were to flip someone off with my left hand my penis would symbolically suggest a slightly larger size, and that would appeal to my vanity (if I possessed any), although it might alternatively suggest that I have a small right nut. :confused:
Reply to praxis Well, a few things. My review of the X-ray indicates severe pancreatitis, although I'm embarrassed to admit I'm not actually a radiologist.
What I would propose regarding your finger injury is what I use for tooth extraction, involving tying a string around the affected finger and then to an open window. Upon slamming the window shut, your finger will pull to its original length and your penis will (unfortunately) as well.
In any event, thank you for sharing your photo. It's always good to put a name with a picture.
Again, what is your preferred alternative? Exactly? Precisely?
Many lovers of language have locutions they dislike, and it’s not always easy to see why. I dislike “at first blush” (not sure why), “being that” (grossly illiterate and ugly), and the ever-expanding misuse of “as such”.
Many lovers of language have locutions they dislike, and it’s not always easy to see why. I dislike “at first blush” (not sure why), “being that” (grossly illiterate and ugly), and the ever-expanding misuse of “as such”.
Is this your new strategy to get me to shut up - taking my posts seriously?
My problem with the copper pipes is the meth heads come steal it and sell it for scrap. They take it right out from under me, straight from my bunghole while I'm sleeping. Ever woken up with an invaded bunghole? Trust a man who knows. Very disconcerting.
Yikes! Sad but true.
unenlightenedJanuary 09, 2023 at 19:06#7708600 likes
So. Until further notice, all posts worth reading will begin with "So."
Reply to JamalReply to T Clark "Preserved in aspic" deserves more use here. Peak aspic preservation occurred just 26 years ago, according to Google Ngram. The expression first appeared in the 1920s.
Nancy Pelosi is an example of someone who appears to have been "preserved in aspic". Mitch McConnel, on the other hand, seems to have spoiled in aspic--rapidly deteriorating, but protected from full-blown rot.
BTW, David Brooks (someone else successfully preserved in aspic) characterized the extreme right wing congress people as 'nihilists' -- their intent, he said, is to burn the place down. They might get their chance on the debt ceiling vote coming up in a few months.
In light of the number of name changes that have occurred here, I have finally decided to join in. For now on, my name is Hanover, but the H is no longer pronounced and the R is rolled in that fun Scottish way. When you read my name, please pronounce it properly.
In light of the number of name changes that have occurred here, I have finally decided to join in. For now on, my name is Hanover, but the H is no longer pronounced and the R is rolled in that fun Scottish way. When you read my name, please pronounce it properly.
Yes, well... Anyway, congratulations on Georgia's win.
Yes, well... Anyway, congratulations on Georgia's win.
TCU should apologize to Georgia for having been on the same field as them. And when I say "Georgia," I don't mean just to the university, but I mean to the state itself, including all its real estate, fixtures, flora and fauna, wildlife, citizens, visitors, legal entities, and any and all animate and inanimate objects within its borders.
After the apology, which will not be accepted, they should then to be forever banished beyond the 24th parallel north and south, which I hope is somewhere far away.
Only then can they think we are ready to begin the healing process of being sullied by their presence.
In light of the number of name changes that have occurred here, I have finally decided to join in.
How about the anagram Novaher? It could be a reference to your relationship with women! You old dog you! Or old pig (just so that @Shawn may be so happy he might even shine once more.)
You can even still insist on the Scottish RRRrrrrrrr!
Reply to Hanover How about Harpoon. Weez still git to roll the R, per Universeness, and the second syllable could be pronouns as a flat southern "poon" (slack-jawed u sound) or "piune" the way some annoying midwesterners pronounce "niune" as in "niune time niews". So "harrrrpiune". Saying that way is an oral workout.
The British bread wars continue as Waitrose removes all Warburton's products from its supermarkets.
Waitrose was reported in The Telegraph to have said that the British baker's "performance didn’t meet expectations". However, Warburtons hit back saying that "quality is paramount" and that it has put "an awful lot of care" into the products its bakes.
I mention this here because my phone put it at the top of my news feed, so I guess it must be important.
The British bread wars continue as Waitrose removes all Warburton's products from its supermarkets.
We've had a similar situation in Canada, spats between manufacturers and retailers. Recently Loblaw (Canada's largest grocer) refused to stock Frito-Lay (manufacturer of potato chips and snacks), because they said Frito-Lay was charging too much.
On the other side of the coin... About five years ago Weston, who owns Weston Bakery as well as Loblaw, the grocery retailer, got charged with fixing the price of bread over a fifteen year period. There was a class action lawsuit and all Loblaw customers got a $25 gift card in settlement. Whoopie! $25 after getting ripped off on every loaf of bread you bought for fifteen years.
Reply to Jamal Fortunately, I just bought this book and will make my own bread and will finally be freed from never knowing what to expect in the volatile bread market.
My cat is a natural kneader, so she'll be put to work. I'll wash the cat litter off her paws first to avoid the crunch it imparts.
Reply to Noble Dust I’m curious if your mental image is the same as mine. In mine, Clarky is sitting on a rocking chair on a porch, shouting at passersby.
I need to buy me a shotgun. Fred half killed a massive possum and it was bleeding but moving, so I went to get a shovel I guess to finish off the massacre, but it went under the stairs to my deck where I'd have had to get really close to kill it. I had to call a guy to come and get it.
If I had shotgun, I could have shot the man so I wouldn't have had to pay him.
Do pigs eat so much because they are hungry or just because they are hedonistic animals? I have a suspicion that they experience boredom and focus on eating to avoid it.
It's like lists of worst to best airports. They're calculated by percentage of delayed flights, as if a 1% differential in delays definitively makes one airport better than another.
I respect and admire your sensitivity to pigs. I wish I had the emotional energy to match you, but my life is too full of other sensitivities to be able to.
I doubt that is true given you're invested in music. I'm pretty cold and aloof in affect. Maybe I just seem sensitive but I'm pretty cold to most people that I deal with or from what I can gather their opinion about me. It must be my obsession with being reasonable and all that.
So where does your interest in pigs stem from? I read it as a sensitivity to their generally "human" characteristics; emotion, magnanimity, sociality, docility, cleanliness.
I would say that my interest in pigs is myopic towards the notion that I am sensitive. For what it's worth, they're unique in those characteristics that you listed and a lot of other people seem to like them as pets. I suppose that adopting a pig would make a dog seem boring or idiotic; but I might be full of shit because I've not yet managed to adopt a pig and compare it to a dog.
This was determined the ugliest color in the world:
"Since 2016, the same colour has also been used for plain cigarette packaging in many countries, including France, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Israel, Norway, New Zealand, Slovenia, Saudi Arabia, Uruguay, Thailand, Singapore, Turkey, Belgium, and the Netherlands."
Well I now understand why the cigarette packs here are RED. It is a marketing strategy to force the people smoking! :scream: It is a evil complot!
@JamalMy first bread making attempt is on the rack cooling. It's called anadama bread, which is a molasses infused whole wheat bread of New England origins, so I suspect it was a staple for Clarky growing up, fed in whole loaves to him by his mother, to which he today still owes his engineer's physique.
I'll send pics when it's cooled and cut so you can experience the joy of bread with me. I suspect it goes good with butter, but such is wild conjecture by me.
I'll send pics when it's cooled and cut so you can experience the joy of bread with me. I suspect it goes good with butter, but such is wild conjecture by me.
"JAZZY" is a particularly poor starting choice for Wordle unless the answer is Jazzy, in which case it's such a good choice you'd be accused of cheating
I mean those colours are more stimulus than "drab dark brown"
Brown is not even part in the rainbow.
The green/brown cigarette packets here are hideous, so I think they are doing the job. Almost 20 years ago, I used to smoke 25 to 50 cigarettes a day and the packets used to look kind of cool. Especially the soft pack Peter Stuyvesant and Lucky Strikes brands. If I smoked today, I would simply put all my cigarettes into a cigarette case to jazz up the experience. If I'm going to get cancer, I want a modicum of aesthetic pleasure with my addiction.
The shape kinda looks like a pig. Was that on purpose? Or am I just suffering from that condition where you see pigs everywhere because some dude couldn't stop himself posting pictures of them every couple of hours? (Porcinevidereonlineitis).
Speaking of bread, tried and largely failed to make a gluten-free margherita last night. Didn't prepare the dough quite right and first time using a new pizza oven. :grimace:
Your loaf looks kind of bad, but also kind of good. Also, are you purposefully not tagging Clarky in protest of Banno's rather egotistical complaint of people not tagging him when talking about him? If so I approve.
What type of pizza oven? Ooni or whatever it's called? I'm a pizza fanatic and would love to get able to get one some day, but I don't have outdoor space at the moment.
Your loaf looks kind of bad, but also kind of good. Also, are you purposefully not tagging Clarky in protest of Banno's rather egotistical complaint of people not tagging him when talking about him? If so I approve.
I can't remember how to tag @Tclark. Someone remind me.
So this actually just happened. That radio station I was listening to reminded me tomorrow was Robert E. Lee Monday, which I looked up, and it actually is.
For those who might not know, tomorrow is a national holiday in the US, but not commemorating Lee, but it's MLK Day.
But was thinking more armadillo.
It's a Texan thing. You wouldn't understand.
I saw that too and I've never been to Texas. Actually @Hanover bread looked like my mum's meatloaf if it were shaped like a lacerated armadillo. She made dry meatloaf.
The trick is to mix in chopped up tomatoes, onions, and bell peppers, and stretch the meat out with small torn pieces of white bread. The juices from the vegetables will absorb in the bread with the fat from the meat and it will be perfectly moist. Don't overdo the veggies, else your loaf will crumble a bit when sliced, but even so, it'll be delicious.
Reply to Hanover Thanks. I'll pass this info on to my mum when I meet her in heaven. She shouldn't be hard to find, she'll be rubbing herself against Gregory Peck or Fred Astaire.
Reply to Paine :up: Our 4 year old Doberman, Sammy, disappeared in the summer of '75. As I recall the meatloaf was especially stringy around that time.... I wonder if mum used lamb instead of beef.
Thanks. I'll pass this info on to my mum when I meet her in heaven. She shouldn't be hard to find, she'll be rubbing herself against Gregory Peck or Fred Astaire.
Do you think she will release herself from that eternal gyration to prepare you a meatloaf?
Reply to Hanover I’m thinking it might be incorporated into the egg beating at least. But I’m not sure how ardent she might be. If her heavenly form has her looking and feeling 25 again, we may never get this made.
Reply to Tom Storm There's no good excuse for dry meatloaf -- or bad meatloaf, for that matter.
equal quantity of 20%-fat ground beef and ground pork say, 1.5 lbs total
finely chopped onion (medium to large)
garlic, to taste
2 eggs
1 cup dry oat meal
1 cup ketchup or catsup, either one, but not both
salt, black pepper
mix thoroughly
form into loaf or doughnut shape
add some additional ketchup or catsup on top
bake till interior of loaf reaches about 180ºF (82ºC)
Eggs help bind the ingredients; so does the oatmeal, in addition to retaining moisture. Catsup (or ketchup) adds moisture, flavor, and sweetness.
The standard recipe used to call for 1/3 beef, 1/3 pork, 1/3 veal. Ground veal is hard to come by these days.
A circular shape with a hole in the center; an annulus, plural annuli. In America, doughnuts are round with holes in the middle; Maybe you were thinking of Turkmenistan where they are triangular, or Xinjiang where they are spirals, or Mexico where they are confused with burritos.
What type of pizza oven? Ooni or whatever it's called? I'm a pizza fanatic and would love to get able to get one some day, but I don't have outdoor space at the moment.
Yes, an Ooni. They’re actually quite compact and portable. Would work even on the smallest patio. Or perhaps at the neighborhood park? although then I suppose you’d have to feed your neighbors.
Sadly I live in a big city and have literally no outdoor space to my name whatsoever.
You seem intelligent enough to make a name for yourself. Why haven't you?
You should have a park or common outdoor area. Get a fish tank. For a thinking man witnessing what you believe to be a greater freedom is as good as experiencing it.
An oven is an oven. They all work the same. Surely your apartment/domicile has one.
You should have a park or common outdoor area. Get a fish tank.
I must say I love the random and unintelligible nature of these two sentences back to back. It feels like an absurd standup comedy routine or something. Masterful. That said, I have no clue what you're on about.
Reply to javi2541997 That’s not the most appetising tostada con tomate I’ve ever seen (I don’t know how this differs from pan con tumaca, if at all). I made this one in 2018 and recorded it for posterity:
I burned the bread but just managed to save it with some light scraping. The golden colour is from olive oil.
Anyway, what you need is white bread, whereas @Hanover appears to have made his bread to match his beige walls. I’m sure it’s good with butter and jam though.
It did amuse me when I was in Majorca and other parts of Catalonia and the local speciality breakfast was … toast. They seemed to make a big deal of it.
javi2541997January 16, 2023 at 08:42#7730960 likes
Reply to Jamal Sorry, I took that picture in Google and yes it is horrible.
As you said, in Catalonia and Majorca the speciality for breakfast is pan con tumaca (this is even a Catalonian phrase, because in Spanish is tomate, not "tumaca") They even put ham with the bread. Nonetheless, I also take it everyday for breakfast but without the tomato. Just bread and oil (well, sometimes I put tofu on it)
Just bread and oil (well, sometimes I put tofu on it)
Olive oil with tofu? Well, why not?
This morning I had toast with butter and marmalade, but it wasn't really marmalade because it wasn't made with Seville oranges, and wasn't even made with oranges in fact, but with lemons, so I guess it was lemon marmalade or lemon jam. I had to toast the bread in my cast iron frying pan because when I was in Spain my wife got rid of the toaster. When I asked why, she said "Russians don't eat toast. Deal with it". Where the toaster used to be there is now an electronic Bork Multichef who talks in a commanding male voice, and my Russian isn't good enough to work out what he's saying.
javi2541997January 16, 2023 at 09:09#7731030 likes
Where the toaster used to be there is now an electronic Bork Multichef that talks in a commanding male voice, and my Russian isn't good enough to work out what he's saying.
Anyway, what you need is white bread, whereas Hanover appears to have made his bread to match his beige walls. I’m sure it’s good with butter and jam though
The book I bought is of whole grain breads, not bleached flour breads.
That is an entirely different specialty I've yet to conquer.
Big ask here guys, but I missed the past few hours of what you were saying because my cat was meowing. Could y'all repost all that. I'm feeling like I missed something important.
The book I bought is of whole grain breads, not bleached flour breads.
That is an entirely different specialty I've yet to conquer.
I would have thought making a book out of bread was extremely difficult no matter what grain was used. It might be easier if it were a very short book, I suppose.
Big ask here guys, but I missed the past few hours of what you were saying because my cat was meowing. Could y'all repost all that. I'm feeling like I missed something important.
would have thought making a book out of bread was extremely difficult no matter what grain was used. It might be easier if it were a very short book, I suppose.
What I like about this bread author is that he clearly wrote it from a place of personal passion and not just for chicks and money which is so typical of bread authors.
Not when it comes to pizza. Conventional ovens top out at around 550 degrees fahrenheit. Proper pizza baking requires a couple hundred degrees above that. A lil Ooni oven, for example, can get to 950 degrees and cook a pizza in 60 seconds.
A lil Ooni oven, for example, can get to 950 degrees and cook a pizza in 60 seconds.
Huh. Didn't know that.. a bit of a production for one sitting though? Perhaps a neighborhood event or something. Seems easy to burn/overcook with that much heat and so little time, no? Guess that's what makes it an art.
But you're far more self aware than a 13 or 17 year old.
My impulses are still those of a 17, sometimes 13, year old. Yes, I am more self aware and maybe even more mature than I was at those ages. That just means I don't do everything my impulses tell me to.
What I like about this bread author is that he clearly wrote it from a place of personal passion and not just for chicks and money which is so typical of bread authors.
Huh. Didn't know that.. a bit of a production for one sitting though? Perhaps a neighborhood event or something. Seems easy to burn/overcook with that much heat and so little time, no? Guess that's what makes it an art.
Built one out the back a few years ago. Takes at least a couple of hours and a reasonable amount of wood to get it up to pizza temp. But if you've a few people over then the pizzas are great. And insulated to the nth degree so I can cook a chook in there the following day and slow cook some lamb in there a day after that.
A type of French bread (may or may not have any connection to France) is made without kneading. Flour, water, salt, and a small amount of yeast are mixed, then refrigerated for 24 to 36 hours. After this cool rising, the dough is deflated and shaped into a baguette or batard, given a second rise at room temperature (an hour, +/- depending on room temperature) then baked.
The result is a coarse-crumbed bread with a good crust, soft interior, and short shelf life (it dries out and goes stale quickly).
Better breads are kneaded for say, 15 minutes. Milk, eggs, and fat (butter, oil) lengthen the shelf life and nutritional content of yeast breads. Kneading produces a fine 'crumb' (texture).
Reply to BC I looked into making croissants. The layering for the flakiness seems like it'd take some practice.
In other news, I had a half jar of molasses left over from the bread, and that seems like something if not used right away will sit in the pantry until the day comes for my kids to split my belongings, so I decided to make Sriracha and molasses baked chicken legs.
That'll go really well with heavily vinegared collards and maybe buttered acorn squash.
Reply to javi2541997 Acorn squash are the least lovely squash. Apparently they are prolific, ship well, and don't spoil too quickly. The flesh is light yellow and somewhat stringy. They don't taste like acorns, which is OK because most people don't know what acorns taste like.
There are winter squash (harvested in the fall; they can be kept for a couple of months in a cool dark place) and summer squash, like zucchini, which are harvested during the summer and are used shortly after harvest.
Squash are one of the three sisters of Native American cuisine - maize, beans, and squash.
Better are buttercup (dark green rind, dark orange solid flesh); butternut (light orange, solid flesh, tan colored rind); hubbard squash (grey-green rind, light yellow solid flesh, can grow very large); kombucha squash (green rind, dark orange solid flesh); delicata, spaghetti, and a hundred others. Pumpkins are squash too, and some varieties are good to eat -- not the kind one uses for halloween.
Had he been taken prisoner by the Russians in the Ukraine thread?
Banning is such a primitive concept. I like to think he is arguing about philosophy in another dimension.
javi2541997January 18, 2023 at 07:06#7736000 likes
Reply to BC Thank you for your explanation, BC :up:
I had heard about zucchini, but never about winter squash. I am know doubting on the difference between "pumpkin" and "winter squash" because when I translate those words into Spanish, it says: "calabaza" which I always related to pumpkins.
Reply to javi2541997 Apparently, pumpkins are winter squashes, but not all winter squashes are pumpkins. It’s almost as confusing as the sardines vs. pilchards debate.
Reply to javi2541997 Kind of similar in English, which has “squash” to cover them all, although the pumpkin seems to have special status. Can we talk about a better vegetable now?
javi2541997January 18, 2023 at 08:02#7736110 likes
Apparently, pumpkins are winter squashes, but not all winter squashes are pumpkins. It’s almost as confusing as the sardines vs. pilchards debate.
Where I'm from, we carve turnips instead of pumpkins on Halloween. No, wait, that's you, not me. I get us confused some times. I'm not good with names.
Are you saying that everything tastes good with yams and sweet potatoes or are you saying that what goes really good with potatoes are more potatoes?
Of course yams and sweet potatoes are not potatoes. They're not even really food, except for sweet potato pie, which is only food if you put lots of whipped cream on it.
And Sugarr, welcome to the forum. You too Hanover.
javi2541997January 18, 2023 at 16:06#7737070 likes
Just guessing, but winter squash are probably the property of places that get cold and have shorter growing seasons.
javi2541997January 18, 2023 at 19:14#7737600 likes
Reply to BC I thought the same, winter squash is a seasonal vegetable and we eat it in winter or fall. When Hanover showed his photo of the meal, I didn't even know what type of vegetable was next to the chicken. Now, I learned today that is a variety of the genus Cucurbita .
In the other hand, the cause of my confusion is due to vocabulary. We just call it: Calabaza, without making any distinction between the species.
Well, it was an interesting class about greengrocery. I am ready for the next one in the following day: Sardines.
Presently growing Two different types of Zucchini, the common 'Black Beauty' and the much larger tromboncino, which when mature is a marrow.
Also two varieties of cucumber, and two of pumpkin. including this "Ironbark"
Cucumber, very soft skin, very moist flesh, eaten raw or pickled.
squash, the round or oblate shaped fruit, eaten cooked, young; Courgett or Zucchini, those of a more phallic form, Both eaten immediately after picking.
Marrow, more mature and thick-skinned, that will keep for a month or so.
Pumpkin, thickest skin of all, that will keep for several months.
English cucumbers look like zucchinis but they instead taste like tough cucumbers. I imagine they look that way because there's no sun in England and that makes them grow that way. Brits come over here and have to find a place to buy them because they're use to eating impoverished food. It's sort of like if you grew up on the streets and someone gets you a mattress one day, you keep getting out of bed and sleeping on the floor because you're used to the worse way.
Then you grow up with a bad back. Or maybe bad teeth. Something like that.
Reply to Noble Dust I also have a vague recollection of a short film from many years ago of a nun with a cucumber while alone at night in her cell. Pelvic floor exercises of some sort. She seemed to be enjoying them.
I’ve never understood the appeal of the cucumber. It essentially has no flavor. I highly doubt anyone’s favorite vegetable is cucumber.
And yet no sensible man with a shred of self-respect would dare misrepresent a mere bowl of leafy vegetation as "a salad" without one. It's a water-bearing plant (is mostly water). And is readily edible unlike it's much larger and tougher cousin, the cactus. Adds much needed hydration to the average consumer's grotesque overuse of sodium-filled dressings and "fixins". It also spawned the most widely used and demanded addition to the most popular fast food item of this day and age, the pickle. Some say an entire genre of foods that birthed a nation. That's why it's called "pickling" and not "pig feeting" for example.
also have a vague recollection of a short film from many years ago of a nun with a cucumber while alone at night in her cell. Pelvic floor exercises of some sort. She seemed to be enjoying them.
So once in a blue moon I make an off color joke and I'm a perv, but here you talk about Mother Theresa straddling a cucumber in her cooter and it's just a regular old Wednesday.
I specifically and regularly make salads without cucumbers. Pickles, on the other hand can literally be anything, although I must admit I’m quite partial to pickled cucumbers.
I’ve never understood the appeal of the cucumber. It essentially has no flavor. I highly doubt anyone’s favorite vegetable is cucumber.
Cucumbers and watermelons are half-sisters. Some people find them equally indigestible. I like both. My father thought that watermelons tasted no better than over-ripe cucumbers. The cucumbers in New York are probably several weeks old by the time you buy them. A fresh cucumber has a refreshing mild wet crunchy seedy green leafy flavor.
Reply to Noble Dust Once upon a time I liked the pickled green tomatoes that some delis in Boston kept in buckets. Maybe today I would consider them a public health hazard. Haven't found any in Minneapolis.
Reply to BC In Manhattan there's an old world pickle place, where you can get pickled everything. I had some pickled pineapple. After the invention of the refrigerator, pickleries went the way of DOS.
The cucumbers in New York are probably several weeks old by the time you buy them.
Good produce is notoriously hard to find here. People think of New York as a city where you can get and do anything your heart desires, but it's not the case at all.
A fresh cucumber has a refreshing mild wet crunchy seedy green leafy flavor.
I didn't know wet was a flavor.
My favorite pickle might be daikon radish. There's an amazing Chinese restaurant in Manhattan's Chinatown which serves a country style duck with pickled daikon as a palate cleanser. Sublime.
Are you saying that everything tastes good with yams and sweet potatoes or are you saying that what goes really good with potatoes are more potatoes?
Yams > potatoes in my (unpopular) opinion since yams have more protein, have anti-inflammatory properties, and regulate blood sugar. Yams also provide incredible amounts of Vitamin A, and more than double the amount of potassium than potatoes! Yams are very satiating and an absolute necessity for anyone bulking looking to get high carb intake. Sweet potatoes are delectable too especially if they're boiled.
A wide-bladed knife is used to obtain thin slices from a Pullman loaf. According to one measure, daylight should pass through the resulting fine pores of the bread. The slices of bread are buttered all the way to the edges in the thinnest coating, which is only to prevent the bread from becoming damp with cucumber juice, and the slices of peeled cucumber, which have been dashed with salt and lemon juice, are placed in the sandwich just before serving to prevent the sandwich from becoming damp. The crusts of the bread are cut away cleanly, creating tea sandwiches.
Anti-cucumber is a strong term. I just don't spend my own money on them; there's plenty of other vegetables I'll reach for instead. How do you eat them?
Fair enough, I'm sure I would enjoy that. But still, I would choose mustard greens, mushrooms, or broccoli to be prepared with similar ingredients, although I would cook all three of those options.
I’ve been making that quite often for the last decade. You couldn’t replace the cucumbers without turning it into something else and thereby losing some of the magic of this particular combination of ingredients.
I do enjoy a Greek salad with cucumber, but I'm more likely to make something heartier like a chickpea salad with similar ingredients sans cucumber. I'll stop the cucumber criticism there though. Too much negative energy.
I'll stop the cucumber criticism there though. Too much negative energy.
Fair enough. I’ll just say one more thing. Tomatoes probably have around the same water content but they don’t have to face this kind of hate. It’s prejudice.
What do you mean by puree? I think of that just meaning anything put in a blender.
I love using chopsticks because, while I like to think I have good technique, it does force me to eat more slowly. I've worked too many jobs in which you don't have a real lunch break, so I'm programmed to eat at maniacal speeds.
This pit :vomit: It is like a soup but the taste is horrible and strong for your mouth. It is not a blender because I guess that's like a juice mixed up with a lot of fruits.
Reply to Noble Dust
Is Algernon's compulsion to order cucumber sandwiches a valiant leap for the transcendental or an acceptance of his worldly conditions?
It’s a cruel prank. The owners are intentionally producing a surge of intense fear in their cats, which it’s their job to look after. It’s obvious that the cats are suffering extreme stress, so I don’t get why people think it’s funny. Something to do with a general moral degradation in popular culture, but saying so would make me sound like an angry old man.
Is it safe to prank my cat with a cucumber?
Wondering whether you should get in on the cat-cuke trend?
"The answer is, without question, no," Lusvardi [cat behaviour consultant] says. "They're extremely frightened and you're purposefully inducing fear in your cat."
That, he says, is just mean. And over time, it could lead to behavioral issues.
"Your cat may go into defense mode which can range from running away from the source of fear or even attacking it," Lusvardi says. If that happens your cat might end up unintentionally attacking you, other cats, or other animals in the home.
If you do this too much, your cat will not feel safe at home, particularly in areas where you've placed a cucumber before, like a food bowl.
"It's a very cruel trick that teaches a cat its food bowl is not a safe place, and, if done repeatedly, can psychologically damage the cat by causing it to stress out any time it is in that location," she says.
Over time, chronic stress can lead to withdrawal, aggression, increased stretching, toileting outside of the litter box, and other negative behaviors.
Reply to Jamal Found this study supportive of what you said:
"In a clinical study of 9,000 cats studied over eight years, placed under constant video surveillance by professors at the University of East Arkansas, Barnesville campus, the cats were divided into three equal groups: those exposed to sudden cucumber appearance, those not so exposed, and those who were constantly told they were good kitties. After adjusting the results for those cats that had to leave the study due to personal reasons, the results showed that the scared cats killed more small yard rodents than the control group (45,000 versus 12,000) and far more than the peaceful good kitty group (3).
Interestingly, the scared cat group was open to more food selection options (812 different brands) than the control group (12) and far more than the good kitty group (2.02).
In conclusion, the scientists stated if you want an independent less demanding cat, you might want to expose it to cucumber, but it's a dick move."
Reply to Jamal These stupid videos do raise some questions:
a) Were the unwary cats alarmed by cucumbers in particular, or would another vegetable (carrot, potato) have caused the same reaction?
b) why were some cats alarmed, some cats curious, and some cats indifferent?
c) did the focus of the cat on eating have anything to do with their reaction? That is, were the alarmist cats so engrossed in stuffing themselves that they didn't hear their torturers approach them from behind with green vegetables?
d) were the unalarmed cats paying more attention to what was going on around them while they were eating?
e) there are similar human behaviors - like Republicans going bat shit when election results fail to comply with their expectations.
I found an interesting article that relates to a subject that pops up here on the forum from time to time - the prehistoric development of agriculture and civilization.
To summarize - in North America, agriculture took place in two phases which had an effect on death rates among people between the ages of five and 19, those least likely to die. The first phase includes relatively low-intensity agriculture:
This means that the pattern of first adoption of agriculture, seen elsewhere in the world and observed in eastern North America as well, coincides with lower age-independent mortality. Basically, it’s good times, and that’s what we see culturally.”...The first stage of agricultural intensification in North America, which includes the cultivation of plants such as squash, sunflower and other native plants, occurred approximately 2,000 years ago during the Middle Woodland period up to about A.D. 500,
The second phase included more intensive agriculture:
The archaeological record shows that in the centuries just before A.D. 1000, and from that time onward, there was an increase in warfare. During this time Indigenous societies began cultivating maize and beans, and a number of new cultural changes occurred, including the initial development of powerful chiefdom societies. Age-independent mortality increased during this period, presumably due to conflict and the spread of diseases from higher numbers of individuals living near one another.
I have no particular point to make with this. I just thought it is interesting.
Interesting article and interesting website. Do you know anything about who and what Broadstreet is and does?
No, I just looked for a site about the communist famines and that popped up.
If you go to the site's drop down menu and hit the About tab, it'll tell you the background.
If you're curious about this, look at: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
He was the guy who arrived at pseudoscientific agricultural theories that wiped out the crops in Russia and China. Not clear if it was intentional, negligent, or the product of centralized thought systems.
If you go to the site's drop down menu and hit the About tab, it'll tell you the background.
I looked there and there isn't much relevant information. One thing that makes me suspicious is that they don't even have a Wikipedia page. I've always assumed that if it doesn't have a Wikipedia page, it doesn't really exist. Wait....turns out The Philosophy Forum doesn't have a page either, although Penthouse Forum does. Oh...wow man...heavy. I wonder if this is all a figment of my imagination. Maybe I should start a page for the forum. It would be shame if it doesn't exist after all this time. Although it might explain a lot.
Since 2019, consecutive summer mass die-offs of bay scallops in the Peconic Estuary on Long Island, New York, have led to the collapse of the bay scallop fishery in New York and the declaration of a federal fishery disaster, with landings down more than 99 percent...
...The study also revealed that although Massachusetts waters are still in the safe range for bay scallops, they have warmed at a rate even faster than New York waters and could be threatened in the future.
Find the next secure cold water scallop fishery. And be quick about it.
Not a problem. New England and the Maritimes will probably still have scallops for as long as I'll be living, although I'm sure the price, already high, will be exorbitant. One of the advantages of being old.
Are oysters similarly threatened? Or are they more comfortable in warm slop?
I grew up on the Chesapeake Bay and they have oysters there. They have oysters in New Orleans. The consensus is that cold water oysters are best. I haven't had enough warm water ones to judge. The raw ones in New Orleans were terrible. That's probably why they fry them and put them in stews.
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 24, 2023 at 00:41#7752180 likes
"In a clinical study of 9,000 cats studied over eight years, placed under constant video surveillance by professors at the University of East Arkansas, Barnesville campus...
I would like to see a study on the effects of placing cats under video surveillance. We know from reality TV shows that creatures tend to act differently when under video surveillance. Or is this just a product of the editing of those shows? Who can give us the truth on these matters?
They actually did a study with video cameras being placed under surveillance and found that the cameras being watched watched others more watchfully because they knew they were being watched.
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover YouTube is infested with videos of pets under video surveillance, and yes -- it makes cats, dogs, and parrots brighter, cuter, and smarter. Your dog does nothing until you get out a camera and then it immediately changes its behavior. This is the media age and domestic animals have watched a lot of television from puppy/kitten/chick/hood on up. They understand the importance in getting as much on-camera time as possible.
Has it been determined that being a moderator is more a curse or more a blessing? I would thank @Wayfarer but it is, after all, a thankless job. Instead, weeping, we say "So sorry you took the job."
Reply to Noble DustReply to BCReply to Metaphysician Undercover Kinda fell into it consequent to drafting the Help article. Happy to help out although have actually done anything yet. I was a moderator at the Dharmawheel for a while, never found it particularly onerous.
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 24, 2023 at 01:55#7752520 likes
Reply to Wayfarer
Well pull out that banning stick, and we'll see you in the Bannings thread, where you can display some gumption and muscle.
I was looking for a way to make homemade tandoori chicken, but it looked like that would require a heavy investment into a tandoori oven, so I nixed that idea. The word tandoori got mixed up with tagine, which is a Moroccan cooking pot, and that investment wasn't that much, so I bought one and a cookbook.
I'm going to make some olive and chicken thigh Moroccan food. I'll eat it with all the fucking bread I'm going to make too.
Kinda fell into it consequent to drafting the Help article. Happy to help out although have actually done anything yet. I was a moderator at the Dharmawheel for a while, never found it particularly onerous.
Yes - Congratulations, condolences. Now you can ban all those materialists.
I would like to see a study on the effects of placing cats under video surveillance. We know from reality TV shows that creatures tend to act differently when under video surveillance. Or is this just a product of the editing of those shows? Who can give us the truth on these matters?
I looked on the web and the consensus from feline specialists is that the cucumber thing is not funny. But , no matter what they say in public, they must have laughed when they saw the videos.
No, you grew up grew up on shrimp boat with Forrest Gump.
Little known fact - Forrest Gump was actually the thinly disguised story of my life...except for the war hero, all American athlete, character, courage, and decency stuff. I can't play ping pong either. And what I actually said was "Life is like a box of chocolates, they're all for me, so keep your hands off."
Reply to Noble Dust I’ve heard that Japan has a massive store of uneaten whale meat, by-product of the scientific research program they conducted on ways to infuriate Greenpeace.
If you disliked THE MOST WANTED SONG you will positively loathe, hate, and despise THE MOST UNWANTED SONG
You'll be wondering who the hell Dave Soldier, Komar & Melamid are. Komar and Melamid are avant gardistas, born and raised in the Soviet Union. They are provocateurs; one of their artworks is a sculpture of Joseph Stalin installed in the red light district of The Hague. They also wrote an interesting book on the most popular kinds of painting around the world.
David Soldier received a Ph.D in neuroscience at Columbia and is a composer, arranger, and collaborator.
Don't be fooled by the bland cowboy opening:
"Yo, I'm ropin' up my saddle for the long, long ride"
Best approach: jump around in any order
And then
Out on the plains, just me and my mind
Took me a break to read some Wittgenstein
Born in Vienna in '89
He obsessed with theories of language and time
Like the Tractatus where Ludwig would claim
"The logic of our language is misunderstood"
Philosophy is based on a false pretence
So philosophy itself is nonsense, nonsense!
Philosophy itself is non-sense!
Do all your shopping at Wall Mart
Later still (hey, it's a long song -- 21 minutes)
Two party system!
Struggle!
Gain control of the government!
Executive branch!
Military branch!
Foreign affairs!
Influence policy!
Promote ideology; fascism!
Promote individual interests;
George Stephanopoulous, Imelda Marcos!
Promote special interests;
Sugar, Beef, Bananas, Lumber, Pork bellies, Pork barrels, Coca-Cola!
The information superhighway!
Three thousand years of oppression!
Who enslaved people of color?
Who invaded the Caribbean?
Who murdered all the innocent children?!
You did! You! You! You!
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 27, 2023 at 02:03#7762880 likes
Reply to BC
Wow, I definitely like the most unwanted better than the most wanted. But I guess that's how it goes with modern music, the badder you get the gooder the song. I couldn't make it through all of either of them.
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover I find modern music (when not intended to be a joke) is often less enjoyable than 19th century and earlier music, but it is often more interesting. But then there is modern music that is both enjoyable AND interesting. Morton Lauridson's Lux Aeterna (1998?) is a wonderful choral piece. So is Stephen Paulus' Pilgrim's hymn is one of my favorites.
Here's the Houston Chamber Choir, outdoors, lip syncing themselves.
As a commie atheist fag, I find choral religious music to be among the loveliest of genres.
As a commie atheist fag, I find choral religious music to be among the loveliest of genres.
As a capitalistic theist Jew straight fucker, I find sitting in the pews of empty churches, especially small quaint ones, among the most peaceful places to sit.
As a commie atheist fag I find choral religious music to be among the loveliest of genres.
As a lilly-livered liberal, unitarianish, cis-heteronormative, patriarchal dude I agree. I find it more moving when the singers are in a formal chorus than I do in this informal setting. Then again, I can just close my eyes.
Isn't it remarkable how one gender who resents or rejects the state of society and the resulting "average person" of whichever gender (typically the lesser, subjected one) is now deemed "unfit to reproduce" aka "a homosexual". Or to believe in an idea of a god that could not be farther from anything now or ever divine and is merely a racial proxy for race war as an "atheist". Economic systems are one thing, it's far from unreasonable to think another person who perceptibly threatens one's way of life (has the ability to render their entire life choices and work as meaningless) as negative.
But the counterargument is, yes if there is indeed a problem with society, reaching to the opposite gender required to reproduce and continue life itself, if you know this, yet do nothing to fix it and prefer to say get your "love" from the same gender again (and this is the most important part) recognizing there is a problem and doing nothing, should, for the sake of continuity of an intelligent, productive, human race, you be called an otherwise meaningless three letter word? I mean, it's like giving up. Isn't it?
Reply to Outlander Ahh, Outlander... are you talking about me or somebody else? I recognize myself in your statements as though through a glass darkly; but it does seem likely you are addressing me.
Could you perhaps say what you want a bit more directly?
I do resent the way society operates; I'd reject this society if it would then go away, but it won't.
It's getting late, so I won't attempt to explain it all, but the source of my dissatisfaction is a weird mix of Jesus, Karl Marx, and gay liberation. Of the three, the influence of Jesus came first, then gay liberation, then Marx. It's an odd mix, for sure -- not the usual cocktail.
I'm getting old and I don't have the energy to fan the flames of discontent like I did, once upon a time. Then too, there comes a point when one 'settles'. One accepts the way the world is, not because it is so good (it is not) but because the world is so much the way it is. We're stuck with it, as is, for now.
Anyway. I've been called very rude things before for reasons that couldn't be further from anything they're supposed to actually mean and did not internalize them to the point of identity, however since I could not properly explain myself due to likelihood of purposeless conflict inherent to the situation in which it occurred where due to the factors present I would have had zero chance of winning, If I ever had to be around those people who I was originally unable to defend myself (and thus my identity) around, one would naturally have resurfaced feelings of uncertainty and self-doubt.
To be able to recognize a lie for what it is, no matter how vile, loud, or internalized by violence or orchestrated "misfortune" it is and to help others overcome similar illusion is a magnificent feeling. I only wish the same for others. So long as I breathe, this is what I will do.
It is a very big deal. You can make a rational, intelligent person believe they're a specie of insect with enough shouting and physical violence. Even short of physical violence, implied violence. The brain will internalize this as what it needs to accept and occur to ease the suffering and restore mental homeostasis. It's military psychology and I thought in this day and age it would have long been put to rest.
Reply to Hanover Bang on, sir! :up: I bang on drums after work. I’ve a feeling that if i banged the drums AT work, I’d soon have a lot more free time to drum even more. Hmmm...
The sound is awful but it has a nice snide title that sniveling nabobs of negativism** who aren't rotting in the free world can snicker at.
**Spiro T. Agnew, resigned in his second term as VP after pleading no contest to corruption charges. He also said, "I apologize for lying to you. I promise I won't deceive you except in matters of this sort."
Reply to BC They sounded more 60ish than what I posted and folksy or something, like they had something to say. On a scale of 1 to 10, I give them a solid B.
Reply to Hanover I would have thought you'd go for the always-in-demand kazoo d'amore--the kazoo of love--as necessary in a Italian Punk band as the viola d'amore was to a Rococo band. The viola d'amore had sympathetic strings that really cared. The kazoo d'amore is sympathetic too -- it has pity on those who have to listen to it.
Reply to BadenReply to Hanover Here is a fine lieder first performed by Elton Motello. I think this arrangement and performance by The Damned is more distinguished and elegant.
It was 77. I almost said 75, which would have been closer, but I went earlier because it sounded more old school than the 80s, but I call my guess pretty close.
I've been listening to a lot of punk lately actually.
Your brain is a balloon being pulled along by an empty skateboard.
It's always downhill until your wheels land in the bay.
And now you're a balloon tied to something sinking as it's carried along by the currents, further and further out to sea.
When you washed up on the shore in China, a child picked up your brain and ran screaming.
javi2541997January 28, 2023 at 10:37#7766240 likes
I always enjoyed the imagination in literature among the friends in this forum. I don't want to swim so deep in your thoughts on why you wrote that. Nonetheless, I want to highlight two aspects:
How you compared the brain with a balloon (interesting, indeed) and how is pulled along by different factors or scenarios.
On the other hand, may I ask you why did you choose China in your story?
hope this doesn’t mean you’re abandoning beatnikism.
So I looked up the sort of music a beatnik might listen to and it was cool jazz, so combining that with punk, I arrived at jazz punk, which turns out is a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_jazz
A leading band of that genre is:James Chance and the Contortions.
And this is a sample of that, which is all I listen to these days. It is my exclusive jam, and I have this condescending dickish hipster attitude to those who disagree. Sorry daddy-o, it's who I am these days.
In a free market, all current market information is reflected in the price.
In other words, the price of green beans reflects all the related forces in the market, from growing conditions to government subsidies, from the cost of labor to the cost of manufacturing the wheels on the trucks that deliver fertilizer.
If the price is set by collective leadership, their information gathering methods will be blunt compared to a market's precision.
Except that it's not uncommon for entities in a free market society to find themselves able to artificially set prices. The notion that you, the consumer, are financially benefitted by the cost saving potential of the market isn't strictly true.
The second thing I learned is that one of the reasons people hung on every word Trump wrote on Twitter was that he kept swaying the markets all over the place with his psychotic ramblings. Investors paid close attention in order to make a profit off it.
a free market, all current market information is reflected in the price.
It's possible though that part of the current market information includes collective leadership. That is, the price of rent is determined by supply and demand, but also by rent controls.
That I think would be the reply to what you're saying: the market does set the price, but the market isn't just consumers moving about freely buying this and rejecting that, but plenty of other controls, including government set that final price.
That I think would be the reply to what you're saying: the market does set the price, but the market isn't just consumers moving about freely buying this and rejecting that, but plenty of other controls, including government set that final price.
No, it's that producers gather behind closed doors (or maybe they just text each other) and come up with pricing that suits them. I think that's supposed to be against the law, but it happens.
Any government intervention would be information that shows up in a price that the market generates. I mentioned government subsidies.
No, it's that producers gather behind closed doors (or maybe they just text each other) and come up with pricing that suits them.
They fax each other. That way there's a paper record in case someone acts like they didn't say it and the other guy will be like read it and weep and then they'll have to what the paper says because a deal's a deal.
According to Freakonomics, 93% of recorded musicians (individuals, bands) Never have a hit. 7% do have hits. about 3.5% have only 1 hit. So, 93% never, 3.5% once, at least. Not too shabby.
I ate at a human meat restaurant by the cemetery and ordered the grandma asshole sammich. It was pretty good, but for the grandchild looking on crying harder with my every dunk of it into the bloody au jus sauce.
She muttered to herself "that bunghole was meant for me!"
Just showing you what "way too dark" really means.
Thanks buddy. I use "buddy" as an insult; I still can't tell what it means in New York parlance, but the other day when a customer at my job kept calling me buddy, I repeatedly reciprocated the moniker. He seemed confused and frazzled by the time he left, so I take it to be a back-handed insult in this neck of the woods.
I ate at a human meat restaurant by the cemetery and ordered the grandma asshole sammich. It was pretty good, but for the grandchild looking on crying harder with my every dunk of it into the bloody au jus sauce.
She muttered to herself "that bunghole was meant for me!"
The only genuinely dark part of this post is the word "sammich."
Logic, if a human eats enough other humans they’ll turn into...a human. Seems like the ideal dietary choice.
If you look at the large number of humans in the environment, this indicates that cannibalism is much more prevalent than most people realize. :grimace:
For the same reasons you don't allow babies in the pool without swim diapers, you don't allow pigs in there.
Feces requires the entire pool be shut down and that it be chemically shocked. Vomit, on the other hand, can be removed by vacuum, being careful to remove each piece the best you can. I know this, having once been active in my neighborhood and responsible for the community pool, among other things.
I no longer have a community pool, but have my own, and the goats have yet to go for a swim, although sometimes I must yell at Tater not to drink from the pool because it's saltwater, and that's not good for goats.
Reply to Shawn You might be interested in the pigs that show up in Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space novels. They have been bred for intelligence, walk on their hind legs, talk, wear uniforms, but are otherwise pigs. Some are noted for their natural viciousness. They work side by side with humans. On Yellowstone, a planet with a huge enclosed and orbiting infrastructure (the sulfurous planet itself is very inhospitable) the pigs pretty much ran the underworld crime scene. Later, when the Inhibitors attacked, many were evacuated and joined up in more legit work elsewhere.
Maybe you don't like sci-fi. Fine if you don't. But this is the only incidence in contemporary sci-fi where intelligent pigs appear, as far as I know. However, I haven't been conjoined with elaborate brain implants, so my access to all sci-fi titles, plots, and characters is extremely limited.
Isn't that part of the reason for cannibalism - to take on the characteristics of the victim?
If you eat a human brain infected with the kuru prions (a neurological disease sort of like bovine spongiform encephalopathy--mad cow disease) you will take on the same characteristics -- insanity.
If you eat a human brain infected with the kuru prions (a neurological disease sort of like bovine spongiform encephalopathy--mad cow disease) you will take on the same characteristics -- insanity.
That happened to me a couple of times, but I had the anti-venom, which was to do a keg stand while having sex with a virgin. The second time, I did the head stand, but the virgin was some computer geek guy who wasn't my type, so I went with the insanity.
That's a reference to a Pink Floyd song!! Two of them actually.
This is one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs. When I was suffering from bovine spongiform encephalopathy from eating bad cow, just before standing on my head and trying to suck down beer (Miller Lite), just as the computer guy was preparing himself for the onslaught that I ultimately resisted, I listened to this.
It brings back those memories of my youth, when I lived life as Hemmingway couldn't even have imagined.
Honestly wasn't trying to be a food snob. There's a Caribbean restaurant around the corner from my place that makes the worst jerk chicken I've ever had, so I trust that jarred jerk seasoning is better.
I've never had jerk chicken and I don't know what it is.
:gasp: A truly unique flavor from Jamaica involving Scotch Bonnet peppers and allspice. A must try dish, to me.
Metaphysician UndercoverJanuary 31, 2023 at 12:38#7775610 likes
Reply to Noble Dust
Jerking is a way of slow cooking for the purpose of preserving, like smoking. The commercial form is jerky, a prepackaged snack available in every retail outlet in North America. Hardware store, gas station, clothing store, grocery store, whatever, grab a snack. One never knows exactly what's in the package though, so some restrictions have been placed on the industry to prevent the spread of CJD prions, ever since mad-cow became a problem. The business of "rendering" has a long, sordid history. All those jokes about roadkill start from somewhere.
I've never had jerk chicken and I don't know what it is. Hanover's looks like he's dropped it in his muddy paddock.
In Scotland it's referred to as melancholy bog chicken, where a young hen is submerged and suffocated in the bog and left to ferment a fortnight and then it is eaten immediately as one pensively overlooks the foggy hills and thinks to oneself "where did I go wrong?"
Jerking is a way of slow cooking for the purpose of preserving, like smoking. The commercial form is jerky, a prepackaged snack available in every retail outlet in North America. Hardware store, gas station, clothing store, grocery store, whatever, grab a snack. One never knows exactly what's in the package though, so some restrictions have been placed on the industry to prevent the spread of CJD prions, ever since mad-cow became a problem. The business of "rendering" has a long, sordid history. All those jokes about roadkill start from somewhere.
There's a difference between Jamaican jerk chicken and chicken (or beef or any type of meat) jerky. Jamaican jerk is a particular blend of spices where the meat is either slow cooked or grilled. Jerky is a process where the meat is slowly dried out and salted or has nitrates added and it creates a dehydrated and chewy preserved piece of meat that you can buy at convenience stores, although some people actually make homemade jerky.
Jerky can be spiced as well, so you could have jerk flavored jerky, but the two are different things.
Honestly wasn't trying to be a food snob. There's a Caribbean restaurant around the corner from my place that makes the worst jerk chicken I've ever had, so I trust that jarred jerk seasoning is better.
I've never made a homemade rub, as I've seen some that require so many types of spices that you'd have to buy them all and then just use a small portion from each.
In grocery stores near me, they sell the seasonings in jars and there's a large variety, but maybe it's more popular where I live, being a bit closer to Jamaica than others.
Reply to Hanover Ya'all probably don't remember (or never knew) Julia Childe, aka, PBS French cooking show. She thought that heavy, intense spicing led to "a kind of palate death". Sort of like, after taking meth, why would you bother with coffee?
Ya'all probably don't remember (or never knew) Julia Childe, aka,
I remember Julia Child. She's the source of one of my favorite non-stadard plural rules joke. If Mr. and Mrs. Child were coming over for dinner, I wouldn't say "the Childs are coming over." I'd say "the Children are coming over."
Not many chances for that joke, so I thought I'd better use it.
What's with all the "Lite" beer in the US anyways?
I like beer, but, sad to say, as I've gotten older it does a number on my stomach. Lite beer doesn't. Mostly I drink wine, but certain things call for beer, e.g. Chinese food in a bar.
Not many chances for that joke, so I thought I'd better use it.
The important thing is that you were able to remember it after all these years. Now that you have used it, you can free up that brain slot for something better.
javi2541997February 01, 2023 at 13:02#7778860 likes
I am aware that some users enjoy Murakami's books as much as I do. Well, I have good news from Japan. :sparkle: :eyes:
[i]In a brief statement in Japanese, publisher Shinchosha said the new work would be published on Apr 13, but gave neither its title nor details of the plot.
The title will be 1,200 Japanese manuscript pages long, but the exact number of book pages that will amount to was also not yet confirmed, the publisher added.[/i]
Fantastic! I really do hope he goes back to his more magical aspects found in Kakfa on the Shore and Dance Dance Dance.
I have his latest book Killing Commendatore, but have not been motivated to read, because of mixed reviews. Also, the topic of that book sounds a bit boring.
Hopefully this one is better. :cheer:
javi2541997February 01, 2023 at 14:23#7779060 likes
I have his latest book Killing Commendatore, but have not been motivated to read, because of mixed reviews. Also, the topic of that book sounds a bit boring.
I wish I can motivate you because I had read Killing Commendatore the last December and I fully recommend the book. Despite that the topic of the book can seem to be boring, it catches the reader as only a few talented writers as Murakami can do.
In the other hand, Killing Commendatore is full of magical aspects: a character who is created by an idea of painting and a metaphysical world called "the country of metaphors"
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 01, 2023 at 15:36#7779290 likes
There's a difference between Jamaican jerk chicken and chicken (or beef or any type of meat) jerky.
I do respect that difference. I think I was portraying jerky as a cheap imitation. I don't think the similarity in terms is a coincidence. But even homemade jerky cannot obtain the status of Jamaican jerk, because the difference in preparation technique. One is made to be served fresh, the other made to be preserved. And we can apply the universal principle, fresh is better.
Noble DustFebruary 01, 2023 at 17:01#7779550 likes
Reply to javi2541997 It would be better if Pedro Sánchez confiscated bomba rice and caused a Valencian revolution against the central government than if I had to read Murakami again. So, no. If I had only 1Q84 to read on a desert island, I’d use it to start a fire to cook my cuttlefish.
javi2541997February 01, 2023 at 21:37#7780110 likes
Reply to javi2541997 That would depend on whether I had (a) chopsticks, which is unlikely because I don’t carry them around with me, especially when I’m on ocean voyages, or (b) a knife to whittle a pair of homemade chopsticks from coconut wood.
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 02, 2023 at 01:18#7780810 likes
Yeah...were you basing your jerk/y assertions on anything substantive or just your own imagination?
I believe it's a matter of cultural appropriation, which is not inherently bad mind you, if it's done with respect. Adopting aspects of each other's culture allows for peaceful coexistence and a way toward a form of assimilation which is not one-sided or forced.
Without the proper respect though, cultural appropriation is an affront. I've eaten enough jerky to form the opinion that it's garbage. So borrowing the word "jerk" is an affront, like when another person creates a good product, names that product, and someone else produces crap and sells it under the same name.
Noble DustFebruary 02, 2023 at 02:47#7780980 likes
Some quick googling shows jerk cooking to have probably originated from the indigenous Taino of Jamaica. Jerky is made in a completely different manner, and the only suggestion I found that there's any relation is on the jerk wiki:
The word jerk is said to come from charqui, a Spanish term of Quechua origin for jerked or dried meat, which eventually became the word jerky in English.[4]
There's also Malaysian jerky, which is apparently Chinese Bak Kwa. There's also Biltong, South African jerky. And you of course have all manner of salt cured Italians meats. Salt curing to preserve meat pre dates refrigeration, as does Jamaican jerk cooking, but it's obviously not a form of salt curing, it's a form of cooking. Sure, there's tons of cultural appropriation going on in many directions here. Food history is complex. Anyways.
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 02, 2023 at 03:18#7781030 likes
The word jerk is said to come from charqui, a Spanish term of Quechua origin for jerked or dried meat, which eventually became the word jerky in English.[4]
Hmm, "became the word jerky in English". Seems to support my "own imagination". I guess that means my imagination is a good reliable one.
Noble DustFebruary 02, 2023 at 05:26#7781240 likes
[jerk cooking is] obviously not a form of salt curing, it's a form of cooking.
Different preparation process. The result: an inferior product with the same name.
I can go online, and buy myself a "voodoo doll", stick pins in it and claim to be punishing my neighbour. I'm not practising the religion of "voodoo", and if I use that word to describe what I am doing, it's an insult to others. That's called ridicule. It's common for atheists to ridicule the religious in ways like this. Consider Pastafarianism as an example of a more blatant form.
Reply to Noble Dust There was a really good Jamaican restaraunt near me, but service was really slow and kids and various relatives seemed to keep emerging from the kitchen and the kids would watch cartoons on the TV and color in coloring books at the table next to me.
The problem was it felt like I had interrupted someone's family on a school night. It was authentic, but it went out of businss eventually.
Their sauces were homemade, not from a jar like mine, but sometimes I remember the time when you pointed that out, and I relive that embarrassment. I'm not sure why you did that and I feel weird eating Jamaican food now, which is a shame because it was one of my true pleasures.
The problem was it felt like I had interrupted someone's family on a school night.
As it happens, you were interrupting this poor family's evening routine. I checked this out with our social workers in Atlanta and they discovered that--while you were always a welcome if strangely mysterious guest--you had mistaken the family's home for their jerkshop across the street. The family moved to New York City where urban sophisticate @Noble Dust encountered them. No doubt @Metaphysician Undercover will criticize you for colonizing this immigrant home, never mind cultural appropriation.
We have very few Jamaicans in Minnesota, so jerked tunafish hot dish is not a problem.
Noble DustFebruary 02, 2023 at 21:36#7782380 likes
:lol: site some actual evidence that jerky is an appropriation of Jamaican jerk cooking and I'll listen to what you're saying. Good lord man, it's the shoutbox. I've never met someone who can suck the fun out of it so swiftly. Moving on.
That sounds like every Jamaican restaurant I've been in, including the one around the corner from my place. I still can't figure out when they're open, or if they even are anymore. You do tend to feel out of place, but when eating another culture's food, I've learned that any awkwardness you feel is canceled out by the fact you're paying for their food, and giving them an implicit compliment when you come back again the next week.
Their sauces were homemade, not from a jar like mine, but sometimes I remember the time when you pointed that out, and I relive that embarrassment. I'm not sure why you did that and I feel weird eating Jamaican food now, which is a shame because it was one of my true pleasures.
I'm learning from MU how to suck the fun out of things.
The family moved to New York City where urban sophisticate Noble Dust encountered them.
Maybe it's the family that may or may not still be running the spot around the corner from me. I'll go ask; be right back.
Noble DustFebruary 02, 2023 at 21:40#7782390 likes
In other more pressing news, I've been expecting my new iPhone to be delivered today, as it was listed as "out for delivery". Five minutes ago I noticed the time and muttered to myself "where's my damn phone", glanced out the window, and saw the UPS truck pull up to my apartment. I instantly knew my phone was inside. God is realCheckmate atheis
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I made this shirt online that we can start selling. I had a few other ideas if you like this one, but this is the only one I'm going to offer up for free now that I've gone professional with this.
Keep ‘em coming.
Yes, a pig visits a psychologist.
I can't finish it, can someone help me out here?
The psychologist looks at his perspective client for a moment then says "Well at least you won't call me a quack".
*hides* :yikes:
Is that the Russian patriarch?
Can’t help, I’m a-Freud.
Quoting frank
Something like that. Doodles take life on their own sometimes.
Sometimes a pig can make you feel a certain way...
Quoting T Clark
One has aspirations.
Chat GTP on US imperialism
[email protected]:
Write a speech in the style of Abraham Lincoln of 1000 words denouncing the war crimes committed by the United States in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
The bot:
“My fellow Americans,
I come before you today with a heavy heart, as I must address a grave injustice that has been inflicted upon the people of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya by our own nation. I speak, of course, of the war crimes that have been committed by the United States in these countries.
As a nation founded on the principles of liberty, justice, and equality, it is our duty to hold ourselves to the highest moral standards. Yet, in pursuit of our own interests, we have too often turned a blind eye to the suffering of others and have engaged in actions that can only be described as criminal.
In Vietnam, we dropped more bombs than were used in all of World War II, killing countless civilians and causing widespread devastation. In Cambodia and Laos, we secretly bombed and invaded, leading to the rise of the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime and further destabilizing the region. In Grenada, Panama, and Iraq, we intervened without justification and caused unnecessary loss of life and suffering. In Afghanistan, we have been engaged in a prolonged and bloody conflict, with no end in sight. And in Libya, we supported a violent overthrow of the government, leading to chaos and instability.
These actions are not only a violation of international law and the principles upon which our nation was founded, but they are also a betrayal of the trust placed in us by the people of these countries. They have suffered immeasurably at our hands, and it is our moral obligation to acknowledge the harm we have caused and to do all that we can to repair it.
But we cannot simply apologize and move on. We must also take concrete steps to ensure that such atrocities are never repeated. We must hold those responsible accountable for their actions and work to reform the systems and institutions that allowed these crimes to be committed in the first place.
This will not be an easy task, and it will require a great deal of self-reflection and difficult conversations. But it is a necessary one if we are to live up to the ideals upon which our nation was founded and to be a beacon of hope and justice for the world.
So let us, as a nation, commit ourselves to this important work. Let us acknowledge the harm that we have caused and do all that we can to repair it. Let us work towards a future in which justice and equality are truly realized for all people, no matter their nationality or ethnicity.
Thank you.”
A new hobby...
Write a speech in the style of donald trump of 1000 words praising the war crimes committed by the United States in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
I kind of miss the anti-Americanism of Streetlight. It's not a common perspective here, and though other members might have the same vitriol, none seem to have the same power of expression. The common American slogan "better dead than red" sums up that hated American attitude of kill communists, quite well.
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I'm still sorry Streetlight is gone.
Had a cup this morning as well. Parallel lives.
The man has no style, it turns out.
Quoting Wikipedia
In a way, such as I admire this place, he was too good for it. Like a PhD in Ocean Liner Production and Operation forced to build wooden kayaks for travelers by the highway. The unexplored genius of the man led him to become bored, restless, angry, volatile. He's off to bigger and better things.
Who knows...he might be reading this as we speak.
Still unaware if this was a fun joke but being banned from The Philosophy Forum by a living relative of a famed historic philosopher has to do something to one's philosophical aspirations. Remind me to not let such a fact permanently disfigure my psyche would said incident occur.
People are never gone. Simply, remembered or forgotten. Perhaps there's a little bit of Streetlight in all of us this Christmas. :sparkle:
Quoting Outlander
Geez. I hope he's got better things to do.
It's good stuff
This is confusing. Streetlight has been absent from these hallowed servers for quite some time and his absence has been lamented (well short of universally). Now, there are statements of remembrances as in "dead dead". Is Streetlight most sincerely dead, or not? How do we (or someone) know? Yes, Shawn, for some odd reason we are not supposed to speak ill of the dead, but we should not pronounce someone dead too soon either, as in "the reports of my death were greatly exaggerated." So, how exaggerated are they?
No, he was banned. But, as far as actual death, I suspect that's far from the truth.
I hope he is happier somewhere else to even back at academia writing a book or something.
Here's something completely unrelated:
Globally, there are groundbreaking pilots in Ireland, Catalonia, and America. The Irish Artists pilot is supported by every political party. The Catalonian pilot is one of the first genuine geographic, “saturation” pilots in Europe, giving everyone in the community a basic income to test effects for a cross section of a community rather than a targeted group. In America, there are now more than 100 pilots - and the first started just 4 years ago.
Any of the American's on this site know of any details regarding the '100 pilots,' in America?
These are all "toe in the water" test projects. One good thing about the projects is that there doesn't seem to be that vortex-of-outrage which can sink good ideas before they even leave dry dock. That might change when and if projects and experiments become permanent programs involving larger blocks of the population.
I have been fairly frugal ever since I started working (1968). I did not get rich (or even close to it) but I have always had cash on hand. Not too hard for a single guy to manage. I did not have the frequent crises and hassles that cash-poor friends, acquaintances, and clients had, where normally minor events (like a flat tire) could cascade and become bigger problems, like losing one's job.
Basic Income provides enough cash to enable people to avoid (or at least greatly lessen) the cascade from a little problem to 5 big problems. The Stanford charts show that people used their cash responsibly. Sometimes these programs were targeted; one might expect better results then. But (as far as I know -- I haven't poured over all their charts) targeted or randomly selected, people tended to use their cash to make life better for themselves over time.
The American working class has been subjected to a steady decline in earnings, purchasing power, and financial security over the last 40 to 50 years. It is past time for a pay back.
Thank you very much for the link. I am very interested in any UBI project, globally.
It's gaining in support in the UK.
It's one of my current 'great hopes,' for a much more equitable future for many many people.
Perhaps even all people ....... eventually.
Universal Product Codes were a major automation introduction around 50 years ago. Prior to UPCs, retail workers had to put a price tag on each can, box, and bag in a grocery--a fairly labor intensive task. Check-out clerks read the price on the item and rang it up -- or they remembered what the price was. This was the standard retail pattern across the board.
UPCs and check-out scanners 'deskilled' the check-out clerk's job and resulted in tighter monitoring and speed-up. True, UPC systems produce socially valuable data which would be difficult to get any other way.
The next step in retail has been the "self-check-out". Just about everyone on earth now knows how to scan merchandise. Stores have steadily reduced the number of check-out workers. During busy periods, a mid-sized Target store would have had 8 check-out lines open. Now it's two check-out workers, with 8 self-check-out machines.
I do not know how many staff Target employs to monitor self-check-outs. There is 1 clerk on hand for 8 machines to help with the inevitable problems of software and mistakes. There are over-head cameras which allow for monitoring customer behavior.
Automated check-out systems clearly reduce jobs, RFID technology will eliminate the check-out process altogether, by "reading" the contents of shoppers' carts and charging them as they leave the store. Attaching RFID devices to products is a pretty low-level activity that is mechanized. Next step, eliminate in-person shopping except for higher value goods. Hey, show up to buy expensive perfume; canned beans don't need you on hand.
Again, many thanks for the link. It is of course very important, to consider any dissenting voices when considering how strong an idea is. If you don't fully understand the arguments against then you will not successfully convince others of the arguments for.
One of the main groups behind UBI in the UK is 'Compass,' you may find the following interesting:
UBI, An idea whose time has come
I spent some time yesterday looking at the visualising UBI tool on the Stanford uni site you linked me to.
A lot of good groundwork literature being produced.
Good riddance to all crap jobs, such as working in supermarkets and shopping malls etc.
There are so many more important jobs to be recognised, such as home care of relatives.
A UBI would allow people to better care for relatives, who need it.
Automation must be for the benefit of all, not a profit seeking/worshiping nefarious few.
A global, resource based economy, would be the beginnings of a better way for humans to exist imo.
You might find the following of value, from 'compass.':
[i]We’ve published reports and resources on:
The case for funding a basic income throughsovereign money
The findings from our crowdfunded basic income demonstration in London
A digest of the spring budget
Tackling poverty: the power of a universal basic income a report that shows how a low level basic income could bring poverty down to record lows
Winning the vote with a universal basic income, a paper backed by politicians from across the “Red Wall”
[url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTE8L5IyOFmIzReY42U5Dvg]Every recorded session
[/url] from the world’s biggest basic income conference that we co-hosted last August
We’ve organised from the grassroots and across civil society to make sure everyone has a say in the movement towards a basic income for all:
Supporting communities to lead consultations in their local area and develop proposals for micro-pilots that show how their neighbourhood could thrive with a basic income
Instigating door knocking activities to reach people who have never heard of a basic income
Coordinating an open letter to the Prime Minister co-signed by 285 politicians and civil society leaders calling on him to set up a task force on basic income and implement pilots in all four nations
Helping people across London write letters to their London Assembly members asking them to support a motion in support of a London basic income pilot.
We’ve held:
Seminars with the likes of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and Autonomy
A panel session at TWT in Liverpool alongside the Labour conference with Mayors Andy Burnham and Jamie Driscoll and Beth Winter MP
An episode on the Compass podcast, It's Bloody Complicated. The Welsh Basic Income pilot - The What, How and Why with Jonathan Williams.
Helping host the Basic Income North conference and contributing to the People’s Powerhouse convention in Manchester.
Welcoming key speakers, dozens of people and making front page news with our event with Basic Income Network Scotland in Edinburgh
And of course Basic Income Conversations, bringing hundreds of people together for this crucial conversation![/i]
I didn't notice anything.
I made chicken soup to last me a week. A whole chicken and a tonne of veg, plus chilis, garbanzos, cumin, and cilantro. Nutritious, filling, and delicious. Well, it’s soup, that’s the idea.
Damn right.
Sounds great. No doubt influenced by your Spanish surroundings. I've been busy so the culinary excursions have been few. I plan on making chili in the next few days.
:groan:
I need to get into paprika. My co worker was just raving to me about his Spanish paprika. The generic stuff I've always bought has always seemed somewhat flavorless to me.
I've heard that as well. I think the typical American paprika is pretty much flavorless, used almost as a pretty decoration in egg salad or deviled eggs, but real paprika supposedly has a smoky flavor that is more pronounced.
It was weird because you couldn't even taste the blueberry.
Have done. I think I just need to invest in some really good paprika.
I think so too.
As do we all, O Noble Dust. Everything from run-of-the-mill paprika to Spanish paprika to Hungarian paprika. Spain culturally appropriated the basic pepper from the Mexicans in the 1500s but the Hungarians made it their national spice. The most commonly exported Hungarian paprika is Noble Sweet (aka noble dust). Other varieties delicate, rose, semi-sweet, strong, and special quality. The Spanish dry the pepper over smoldering oak to give a smoky flavor.
Goulash, anyone? In the midwest, all you need is hamburger, onions, canned tomatoes, and elbow macaroni. The Hungarian version is a thick meat and vegetable stew with a broth that's heavily seasoned with paprika. Simple homemade noodles can be added.
Some bot on the Internet says that midwestern goulash is also called American chop suey. I've never heard that. I doubt it, and I don't believe it--Wikipedia to the contrary.
I’ve been found out after all these years.
I bought a box of brown fruits labelled "Chinese Black Pears", or dark pears. The contents looked indistinguishable from black plums.
I had one once we got home.
They are plums.
Marketing at its best.
Luckily they were cheap, otherwise my wife would have been annoyed.
I am not in the doghouse, and I have my plums and eat them too, because I happen to like them.
Edit: this could have been an entry to the micro fiction thing.
Schopenhauer utazik a vonaton. Felszáll hozzá az egyik barátja. Megkérdezi: mit szívsz, mester? Szivarozom Havanna, melyiknek volt igaza?
Schopenhauer is riding on the train. One of his friends joins him. He asks: what are you smoking, Maestro? I smoke cigar Havana, which of the two spake the truth?
Domestic bliss.
I think I'm missing something.
I find that hard to believe.
Greatest. Joke. Ever.
Neat. Something to think about.
I've always called this goulash since I was a kid, but here in New England they call it American Chop Suey.
The idea is that the respondent will say, "What?" and then you say "You did not listen quite close enough. Listen closely: "Schopenhauer... ...truth?", you say the same thing over again. Then he says, "I still don't get it." You say, "You did not listen attentively enough. Listen again: "Scho... ...truth?" the whole thing again.
You can have hours of fun with this, provided you got the proper respondent.
No, I haven't been knifed yet due to this puzzle.
I recognized Miyoshi Umeki, who played Mrs. Livingston on "The Courtship of Eddie's Father." A really good TV show from back in the late 60s.
Fuck, you're like Bruce Willis, minus the gun and with a memory... :up:
Nice lady. I'm glad she was not a pessimist/antinatalist/misanthrope or else as you left, she might have offered you a leaflet titled:
Diseases transmitted by blood transfusion :joke:
My saintly blood is incorruptible. :halo:
In non-essentials: liberty
In all things: love
Saw that on the back of a van
CarefuI! If it's that good, we will all want some!
That's a Protestant Christian saying.
Didn't know that. I like it.
Press Statement of Spokesman for DPRK Foreign Ministry
[sup]— Ministry of Foreign Affairs, North Korea · Dec 20, 2022[/sup]
North Korea slams Japan's military buildup, U.S. flies stealth jets
[sup]— Soo-Hyang Choi, Hyonhee Shin · Reuters · Dec 20, 2022[/sup]
Quoting Kim Yo-jong
I laughed when I heard that Japan would engage in preemptively attacking North Korea.
Really?
Yes, I noticed the line and I remember the adds. It, and the other instances of American culture, struck me as apt and insightful into what it means to be American.
I also noticed that Jack Soo, who played detective Nick Yemana on "Barney Miller," was in the movie. That was another good TV show.
Quoting Noble Dust
Yes, a good quote.
Merry Christmas and may all your dreams come true except for the really horrifying ones where you woke up completely freaked out and you had to go make a sandwich to shake it off.
What?
You trying to be an influencer? The pig pix were amusing, but isn't pedaling for financial gain disallowed on this sight?
A little forracious; that stock is really cheap. Anyway here's a well deserved pig:
Well I haven't a clue what forracious means but the picture melts my heart, and now I can't help but take back anything bad I said about you.
Yes, metaphysician undercover. You are loved too. How are holidays going? With family?
Family starts arriving today, celebrations start tomorrow. Happy Holidays!
Cheese embargo? WTF!
Well, it's not just cheese, and it's been this way since 2014:
[quote=Reuters]Russia’s government banned wholesale imports of fresh food products from the European Union in 2014 in retaliation for Western states imposing sanctions on Russia over its annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in eastern Ukraine.[/quote]
I would just get the jumbo pack from Walmart and call it a day.
I'd only have enough space in my backpack for a jumbo pack of mini babybels.
Psst, I think it's the ads.
Come on over for brekky at Hanover's.
Hope you're enjoying your holidays, happy Hanukkah.
Like an irate pirate berates the maggots in his parrots.
If some of us could only put our minds to it.
"Pick me, Pigmy, to kick me, Pigmy."
Pick me, Pigmy, to kick me, Pigmy.
There. Easy.
See if you can do it by spelling it "pygmy."
You're about to be seriously humbled.
https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/
That one. :roll:
Thanks. You too. I got a Christmas smoked turkey instead of a honey baked ham this year. Saved a pig for you.
Pygmy pig!
I think that was a kind and considerate thing to do on your behalf.
In January, these folk used a negative energy pulse to open a wormhole.
Turkey’s just gone in the oven. In Spain, Christmas dinner is on Christmas Eve. When in Rome.
That's just wrong.
Boy, you got a lot of snow in Spain this year.
That's one ornamental Christmas tree.
Where are the presents?
Y'all keep playing and singing now, you hear?
:pray: :heart: :sparkle:
Merry Christmas Clarky.
Presents get placed on Christmas morning.
And to you too.
That's a Harry P. Ness thing to do, Clark...
Pax et Bonum. :heart:
Joyous Noël.
I think you could be correct! Here they are all again starring in a movie:
Ahem, Tintin’s dog is named Snowy, or Milou in the original French.
Well, that's 'The Thing,' isn't it. Who IS who they claim to be? Who is really someThing else?
Does the dog have a secret identity? Does it in truth harbour an alien lifeform? Are some people really lizard aliens? Who are you? YOU could be Bob Dylan or Jamal in a drag simulation of Kurt Russell or my dead father haunting me whilst posing as an atheist god represented by Moses represented by Charlton Heston, who may have been an alien lizard and the true inspiration for the Science documentary series called 'V.' I will study the original image in more detail once the voices in my head reach consensus on what I should do next! :cool: "From my cold dead hands!"
See! We would be foolish to ignore a warning from a band called 'the doors!' Do we leave our door fully open at the new year? Do we slam it shut? Do we leave it ajar? Do we lock it, and secure it based on DNA, finger print and retina scan tech, to ensure only invited guests can gain entry? Once done, should I sit in a comfy armchair behind that secured door, brandishing a MG42 machine gun, in case the lizard King visits before the New Year celebrations begin? Please advise!!!!!!
I think it is spelled faeces!
Dogs can, why cant we??
Thanx for you're clarity of advice! I feel reassured towards the security aspect of my upcoming new year celebration plans! :party: :strong: :flower:
Hah! bunch a sophists!
Sorry, if you think I was talking shit here!
No, no... Harry is a Zoroastrian.
No shit. No offense taken.
Happy New Year, when it comes! Don't kiss a Lizard King in disguise. Don't slip on its unrecognised shit and fall on your ass in 2023!
If yes, what are your thoughts and feelings about how everything that we use is so cheap and its all on the backs of hundreds of thousands of lives.
I don't know who Joe Rogan or Siddhartha Kara are. The stuff we use is, in many ways, not cheap at all. The plastic bag from the grocery might be cheap in ever so many ways, but it is had at a dear cost to the planet. My high-quality, but still pretty cheap--affordable--IPad likewise is had at a dear price. An ounce or two of hard-to-get rare elements here, used for a few years, then buried or burned--multiplied by billions of such objects.
Labor has so far produced all wealth--not necessarily American labor producing American goods. Poorly paid workers elsewhere on the planet is how our cheap stuff gets made.
Are you wondering if we all are complicit?
I'm going to the beach for New Year's, and this reminds me of a song.
But unless you have the information that in on that podcast I hesitate to respond.
He has a massive following on Youtube and he has interviewed some of the most important scientists and thinkers around today. I think he is a complete narcissist and an opportunist:
Here is one of the more tame exchanges Joe has, as a sampler. Its only 13mins.
Makes me wonder about a future personal space suit that you can wear and launch from your home towards the moon. To go holiday on a future moon resort. The suit would have a safety system built into it so that if the main system failed, you could still move your arms in a swimming motion which would cause you to still move towards the moon, whilst that doors song played inside your helmet, alongside others, such as:
'Swimming to the moon,' might then become an accurate prediction from Jim.
I like that more than the idea of swimming at a beach. I live next to a beach. I have never gone swimming in the water there as I am a very bad swimmer!
Which is why you are still here. People drown in swimming pools, of course, but natural water bodies tend to be devious and deceitful. Many who went down to the sea did not come back. I came very close to drowning on my first swim in the ocean, off Cape Cod. Had it not been for a surfer, I'd have met my Waterloo.
There may be a problem with swimming in space, like, to the moon. Newton might not allow it.
… Does the moon play only silver
When it strums the galaxy
Dying roses will they will their
Perfumed rhapsodies to me
- Joni Mitchell
Thanks for the sample of the Joe Rogan Experience; 13 minutes was sufficient. I will probably be able to live the rest of my life without more.
Best wishes for 2023 and beyond.
Come on, live dangerously. What's the worst thing that could happen?
Yeah, I would only go swimming in the sea, in full diving gear with air tanks strapped to my back and a supporting rescue team nearby. Glad you survived Cape Cod!
Quoting Bitter Crank
Yeah, but the arm movements cause tiny devices in the suit to produce charge which builds up and powers tiny engines which propel you towards the moon. I haven't quite figured out the details yet, but the swimming motion will produce the most amount of power!
We could have some Joni Mitchell playing in the helmet as well, as the emergency space swim to the moon might take a while. A rescue ship from the moon, might still be needed to meet you along the way.
Quoting Bitter Crank
:lol: Yeah, I know what you mean! For me, it depends on who he is interviewing. I have no interest on what Joe has to say, but if he is interviewing someone like Roger Penrose or Steven Pinker, then I will watch it.
Quoting Bitter Crank
Same to you! I hope we can both holiday on a moon based resort, before we disassemble, into spare sub-atomic parts again.
But at 58, I would probably need some genetic/cybernetic/transhuman interception, to live long enough to experience it.
Your next big problem would be slowing down so that you can orbit - then land - at the lunar resort. No amount of hand waving will slow you down enough, so you would either sail on past the moon, or you would crash into the resort at 44,000 kph. Either way, not a great vacation.
If you insist on this crazy plan, you should order the space suit with a deceleration rocket package. Amazon carries a number of different models. I recommend the model with the built-in guidance system. Otherwise, you might still fly off into the wild black yonder, or become the newest lunar crater.
Another option is to just stay on the bus and debark at the Lunar Casino, like everybody else does. There will be voluptuous robots on hand to do your bidding, comfy beds, sumptuous buffets, fascinating moon tours (1 dull gray pockmarked acre after another) plentiful bars ranging from elegant to sleazy (tastes vary), and more! The outdoor Lunar Mall is guaranteed to offer otherworldly specials.
Enjoy!
Many methods are under consideration, how about a space elevator, then you don't need to speed up to 44.000 kph!
Then you start your space suit from a space 'platform,' when the Earth is at the correct point in its rotation relative to heading for the moon space platform and then take one of the moon elevators to the surface! I don't like the idea of having to purchase your space travel suit. It should be provided free to every eligible, united Earth citizen.
Quoting Bitter Crank
OMG, that's it BC!!! You can be in charge of designing the first resorts! I am writing to the UN, NASA, ESA etc to recommend you. What will you call your first creation 'Crankies pleasure dome??'
Book me a room !!!!
1940-2022
https://www.dw.com/en/pele-a-hero-in-brazil-and-footballs-greatest-legend/a-64243115
When pigs fly...
I was never a football fan, but even I would answer Pele, if asked who was the greatest footballer ever.
I don't know if that speaks well for Pele or just shows my lack of experience in watching the skills of others like George Best or Diego Maradona?
Worst trip ever.
Pay for first class. It's so worth it.
Excellent idea IF there are sufficiently light and very strong materials to meet the design and budgetary requirements. The image of a "cable" is probably not adequate to convey the size of the 'stem' on which vehicles would climb and descend. I gather the size of it would be more like the elevator shaft of a large building.
Still... if sufficient reasons for frequent departures and returns to earth existed (like industrial or settlement activity) manufacturing the elevator would be preferable to having heavy traffic in rockets taking off and returning.
I don't like pigs, or dogs, or people, that are so fat the lard has buried their features.
This is a healthy pig; you can see its well defined features. It doesn't look inflated.
Maybe that should have been Socrates instead of Aristotle
Many Scottish island beach scenes are used in travel mags all over the world.
Some even pretend to be exotic locations when they are in fact pictures from the Orkneys or Shetlands.
Here is a brief wee vid clip as well, with some Scottish stylised background music:
Quoting 180 Proof
At least you are both showing interest in supporting tech that will facilitate humans existing outside this nest planet of ours. You support what to me, is the long awaited, obvious next step for our species.
There seems to be many here on TPF who want our species to remain Earth fixed forever and they also seem to predict that we are doomed.
I accused @180 Proof of being a doomster in a thread a while ago but I now think I was wrong.
I love the 'skyhook' and 'launch loop' links and the concepts they contain. I had not heard of either.
Humans are wonderful dreamers and it's amazing how our sci-fi musings can become real science, when scientists get enough time and investment to think about the ideas presented and fine tune them into real possibilities.
I have not heard of any recent scientist, deep in some mystical, theistic meditation, declaring a vision from god about creating a skyhook system so that its creation can 'travel towards the stars and exist beyond the Earth.'
What the f*** is it all there for? If we are supposed to remain tied to Earth? I don't understand anyone who is against space exploration and development.
I think all such folks should swear a New Year resolution for 2023, to stop being such pessimistic [s]pricks[/s], people.
I’ve been swimming in them many times. Due to the Gulf Stream it’s not so cold as it could be. It’s never icy. That said, the weather is obviously often dreich and drizzly, which isn’t nice to get out of the water for/to.
But not right now. I’ve just got here and the river’s icing up.
I trust they're beautiful, but do you swim there? I was in Oregon years ago, and there were dramatic beach views from the overlooking cliffs with pristine dunes along the way, but you couldn't swim there either just because of the cold.
The problem with the space elevator is the kid who gets in and pushes every button and you have to wait forever to get to your floor.
Parents shouldn't let their kids use them as an amusement park ride.
Maybe by having one of those elevator attendants in a hat and vest, they could control that, but that added staff might make it too pricey for the typical family that just wants an affordable vacay.
I refer you to my response to BC:
Yeah, I would only go swimming in the sea, in full diving gear with air tanks strapped to my back and a supporting rescue team nearby. Glad you survived Cape Cod!
But that's just because, I'm a big fearty who cant really swim!
My 'big fearty' thinks BC might be correct when he typed:
Quoting Bitter Crank
:blush: I couldn't concentrate on the beach in your pic. Too many lovely girls:
I like to try to curve ball you when I can sir!
I am just happy if I can still speak by the time the bells come, to be able to say 'Happy New Year!'
Why would the fact that the Scots are more accurate than others, when it comes to New Year salutations, annoy you?
Weird ceremony!
Wow! :scream: :sparkle:
Any better?
Why have you included Weird Al Yankovic in with all those philosophers?
I'm not against exploration. I remember 1969 very well. But to expect travel beyond Earth to be a significant benefit for most people is a pipe dream that distracts from solving problems we have here. Things that really matter are more mundane - energy, food, health, economy. Space travel as a solution to Earth's problems is pie in the sky.
Lot's of extraterrestial resources that would help humans here but we have to go and get them.
So, if you don't fancy that then what's all the extra space and that extra 'stuff' for, in your opinion?
Seems odd that you, of all people except maybe for @Bitter Crank, would think that more capitalism will make things better for people.
I am hoping we will have removed capitalism by then and money and we will be a global and united planet. I think these all handshake with each other. I think they are all slowly happening concurrently rather than consecutively.
More pie in the sky.
Have you ever travelled in an aeroplane?
Having a pie in the sky is nothing nowadays!
All human achievements start with humans thinking about what would make things better.
What is your answer to:
Quoting universeness
Perhaps tomorrow Top Cat! It's Friday, time for a trad Glesga session!
You must be flying first class with all the capitalists. No pie for us back in economy.
Quoting universeness
The post-capitalist space-faring vision of Gene Roddenberry in Star Trek, and a few thousand other sci-fi authors all make "a giant leap for mankind" FROM a) a present total human mess TO b) 3 centuries later when we have colonized the local galactic arm (at least). Nothing in-between! Some sci-fi authors provide a means for this leap, generally a deus ex machina of some sort.
Sci-fi technology works so well because the authors do not have to deal with recalcitrant physics, chemistry, biology, energy budgets, monetary matters, and the like. We happily suspend our disbelief.
Quoting universeness
Well, clearly it wasn't arranged for our convenience, we very-late-to-the-party species.
The real, not sci-fi, world seems to be turning into a mess, and in sci-fi terms, it's about time for the big leap forward to space-faring solutions. Following your lead, we have first to get rid of the dominant economic paradigm of capitalism, and replace it with a humane and also effective different paradigm. Much, much more easily said than done. We can't forget for a minute the rising levels of CO2, methane, nitrous oxide, hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) and ozone that are already putting a successful future (not even long-term) in doubt.
Perpetual economic growth is a requirement for science fiction futures, and real-world capitalism. Perpetual economic growth is, in a nutshell, the rotted core of the system. The need for perpetual growth is one of the reasons why capitalism is so destructive. It's also the stumbling block for an alternative system.
It's strange to hear from old timers that the guiding ethos of the 50's weren't the best time in American history.
I always looked at the 50's as some kind of sanitized America, despite the segregationist sentiments and all the shit that people bring up about it.
If you don't call me an old timer, I won't call you a whipper snapper.
The 1960s benefit from not altogether deserved positive reviews. Naturally, those of us who ended our adolescence and entered into adulthood (without being sent to Vietnam) thought it was great. Rosy Retrovision.
Pick a decade, any decade, and think that we can define it within the 10 year period, and we find that its roots are in the previous decade, and that the next decade was already being hatched out. I don't like the ambiguities of this scheme, but it seems to be true whether I like it or not
Cheers
Welcome back!
I look forward to whatever you deem is worth your while.
Seems like years.
You have been gone on long travels with much travail through the badlands. The roads were long and hot when not steep, bitterly cold, and wet. You went out seeking truth, and now you have returned--tired, warn out, holes in your shoes, unwashed, your ragged academic robe covered with dust. You have come home.
And what has it got in its pockets? A ring tone? A ring of truth? A ring of baloney? A ring around the rosie with a pocket full of posies? We don't know, but we shall have it!
Tell us a short story, 200 words or less, about crossing the badlands of modern philosophy. 75 more words than these and you meet the max. .
Actually the roads were surprisingly hospitable and largely warm, as I was in America during August. Where I stayed in N America there was a legal weed shop just down the road, wherein I discovered the joys of THC chewables. Wish there was one in my neighbourhood, although it's probably better that there's not. In Europe, I was at the Tower of London at the very minute HMQE2 passed (if only I could have anticipated it and sold tickets in advance, would have financed the entire adventure.) We also went to Rome, Athens, Florence, Paris, Oxford, and my ancestral village in Gloucestershire.
Quoting Bitter Crank
that'll be one of my first posts (although maybe not a story as such).
Harina de almortas... almortas flour
Langostinos... shrimp
Uvas... grapes
Jamón serrano... ham
Vino... wine
Cerdo... pig
Nochevieja... new years eve.
I am glad you agree that 'capitalists' believe themselves above those in 'economy' class and their kind invented a 'superior' class of travel, for their exclusive use. Mahatma Gandhi, when travelling all over India, refused to travel 'first class,' and always travelled with the masses and dressed like the masses.
His like, demonstrates why we should get rid of classes of travel and we certainly don't want to take such social infections into space travel when we achieve such as a regular part of being human.
I take it you don't want to answer my question.
Quoting Bitter Crank
I agree it was not created with intent, but it is there. So can you offer me a reason why we should not move into it and make use of the resources available there, if we develop the tech to do so?
It seems a bit of a waste, if we don't, and it also seems to me, to be our obvious next step. Do you not feel that it is our compulsion to become an extraterrestial as well as a terrestial species?
I am not expecting interstellar warp speed or spore drive capable spaceships, matter transporters and food replicators anytime soon, I agree, but a moon base, stepping stone space stations between Earth and the moon and then something similar towards Mars. Perhaps eventually a full transport system between here and Mars with many 'space hubs' in between. I think such is very much within out technological ability. Don't you? I think it will take perhaps 500 to 1000 years to do it but that's no time at all in the cosmic calendar scale. The sooner we seriously start the sooner we achieve such.
Maybe, once we start, the time frame might be far faster than I have predicted.
Quoting Bitter Crank
Yes, getting rid of capitalism, would be a great and wise first imperative but I think we are moving that way now, as tech is currently having a massive impact on the means of production, distribution and exchange.
Those individuals who amass an imbalanced amount of money and resources are beginning to look more and more ridiculous. The Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos type caricatures, are almost reaching 'freak' status, in the minds of most everyday people. Very few young folks I talk to, aspire to become like them. Paper and coin money are becoming superfluous. It's just numbers going up and down in our bank accounts. UBI seems to be more and more logical in an age of increasing automation. I think eventually even UBI will be superfluous and we will arrive at the resource based economy folks like Gene Roddenberry predicted.
@T Clark thinks I am an impractical dreamer (I will resist inserting some John Lennon Lyrics here, as we are all already familiar with such) but we dreamed of going to the Moon, and we achieved it, and now (based on the Artemis project) we are going back, permanently!
I can't claim to be one of the working people since I spent 30 years as an engineer working for medium to large engineering companies. Still, I worked for a living for 15 years before I went back to school to get my degree - ice cream scooper, warehouse worker, carpenter, woodworker. I've been a union member - District 65 - Distribution Workers. Even walked a picket line for a few days. I can't say I've paid my dues, but I've had rough hands and much stronger muscles than I have now.
I've known bosses whom I respect and admire, even love. I even admire Elon Musk. I think he's the reincarnation of Thomas Edison.
I'm a registered Democrat and I think my party's biggest problem is that we've turned our backs on working people.
Worst. Song (by a Beatle). Ever.
Happy New Year Javi.
I could have sworn you were a Trumper. Happy I'm wrong.
That's fake news from the MSM.
Be good to the year 2023.
@180 Proof, this is for you.
Hint: eye patch
Get well soon. :flower:
True enough, ice cream scoopers are workers (working class) BUT so are engineers working for medium to large engineering companies.
IF you owned the engineering company (by which I mean had at least a significant, perhaps controlling stake in the same) and received the profits from the labor of the workers, you would be a capitalist. Your income (as an owner) would depend on the labor of other people. Having been given a little stock as a benefit for working there would not make you a capitalist. Being able to live reasonably well on your salary does not make you a capitalist, either.
You were a member of the working middle class -- professionally trained; performing technically complex tasks with some (maybe a lot) independence; you probably belonged to a professional organization. Your salary probably enabled you to live a comfortable lifestyle, including home ownership and equity accumulation. You probably had reasonably high aspirations for your children which you were able to support in monetary and personal ways. ALL THAT IS GOOD, BUT it doesn't make you a capitalist.
The companies (almost certainly) expected you to show up, produce usable results, follow orders (design this, improve that, etc.) behave properly (i.e., not even try to organize the engineers into a union) and in return paid you a salary. If you stopped showing up or stopped following orders, they would have stopped paying you. You were, in other words, dependent on your own labor to receive an income. You were a professional, maybe even licensed, worker.
The existential quality of a job scooping ice cream out of a bucket for brats at an amusement park or working in an air conditioned office engineering automatic ice cream dispensers are quite different, but have a critical feature in common: the scooper and the engineer are both paid only as long as they perform the specified labor. When either one stops working, the pay stops.
I hope this clarifies your position in the class structure.
The only war is the class war.
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.
Merry Christmas
Happy New Year
Now get back to work; we're not paying you to sit there discussing communism.
Paper and coin money are a lot less superfluous when there isn't enough of it.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
If we develop the means to tap useful extra-planetary resources (on the Moon, Mars, asteroids, etc.) there is no reason not to.
However, justification depends on the material and energy costs of doing so. We absolutely must solve the interwoven problems of global warming, food production, health, education, and population before we make very large commitments to mining Ceres, settling on the moon, mars, or someplace else.
500 to a 1000 years seems like a reasonable projection I am 100% in favor of space science, be that on the moon or someplace else. We can, I think, afford to do research in the present time, and we should.
It's just that if we don't solve the associated problems of global warming (it's not looking good) then we may not have the necessary surpluses to finance peopling the Moon, let alone Mars.
Not if the boats have holes in them.
Not if the tide rushes in as a tsunami.
Not if the boats were grounded at high tide.
Not if the tide is driven in by a hurricane.
Not if the boat is a chicken wire canoe.
The 'lift' of a 'rising tide' isn't quite as specious as 'trickle down economics' but it is a related insipid conservative meme. Most people don't have a boat. Their wages are not sufficient for them to buy a boat. Without a redistribution of wealth, boats will remain a luxury for the few.
Meanwhile, Merry 7th day of Christmas and Happy New Year (just hours away)
Seven swans a-swimming
Six geese a-laying
Five gold rings (five golden rings)
Four calling birds
Three French hens
Two turtledoves
And a partridge in a pear tree
The Department of Agriculture has embargoed all bird shipments owing to the bird flu epidemic. Orders for swans, geese, calling birds, French hens, and turtledoves are cancelled. Chickens are especially at risk, but the song, sadly, didn't call for "a dozen chicks a peeping".
So, you're core argument is that people aren't saving enough because they can't afford to save? That's how I view your position charitably.
Wages, benefits, disposable income, and saving for a large share o the population, say 50%, have gradually decreased over the last 40 to 50 years owing to static income and (on average) steady inflation. Millions of wage earner were better off in 1973 than they will be in 2023. Of course, for a good share o the population, let's say 30%, incomes have beat inflation and they are relatively well off now, A remainder of the population has done very well.
If people can not meet normal expenses (food, clothing, housing, transportation health care) they certainly will not be able to save.
Hey, I am well aware that a lot of money gets wasted. A typical person practicing frugality could save more money. Before you demand that we all start practicing as severe a level of frugality as we can stand, bear in mind that spending drives the economy. A sharp increase in saving has concrete negative consequences, and can fuel a recession--a shrinking economy, Piles of cash in the bank don't help the economy without vigorous consumption.
I don't like it, but that's the way it works.
Are you saying basically that wages (and especially minimum wages) haven't been beating the rise in inflation since XYZ year? Because that's my sentiment also.
Quoting Bitter Crank
Yes, some are able to save. Yet, it seems that the situation is quite complex. People have lost purchasing power accounting for inflation. Yet, the wonders of the invisible hand have led to more choices of more goods than ever before, and due to industries of scale the buck goes much farther despite high inflation.
My general thought is that due to computerized allocation management of scarcity, we are witnessing a loss in nominal value of money due to inflation and a rise in purchasing power of goods. It's quite complex to imagine.
He has a ton of lectures and panel sessions on youtube. Currently going through a lecture on 'Levels of Intelligibility: Neoplatonism and Cognitive Science'.
During this period, I've also discovered the benefits of (Amazon) audiobooks, which allow me to absorb ideas whilst working out, walking and driving. So far taken in Embodied Mind, an Introduction to Kierkegaard, and tentatively beginning Being and Time.
Just out of sheer curiosity, do you think that Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems are metaphysical in nature?
May we all have a sudden turn of good luck.
If anything is complex, it's economics and economic behavior. It's a game with 8 billion players and conflicting rules, crooked cues and elliptical billiard balls.
I take an incremental approach. Breathe for a bit. Swimming is also good.
One should always pin their hopes on me.
I imagine the pig would complement your farm. It would be a nice addition to it. :clap:
One of my pet peeves is mistaking compliment for complement. You did not do that here, and it is much appreciated.
Who knows, a pig might even compliment you... :ok:
Wishing everyone in the forum well in 2023.
I find this very disturbing.
I can't yet figure out what it has to do with the pig year. Butt, let's hope it's a positive pig year.
All of the above.
Happy new year to all of the memebers of TPF. I regret all the alcohol I consumed during 31th... I feel so bad right now.
@Jamal I managed to eat the twelve grapes! Did you?
Well done and good luck for 2023. Right now I’m back in Moscow and last night there was not one grape to be seen. I did my best to have 12 vodka shots instead, but I didn’t make it.
With gravy?
That's ok then. Have you ever heard of the traditional new years meal with collard greens, black eyed peas and cornbread? It supposed to be good luck and it tastes terrible.
Igualmente :sparkle:
Quoting frank
Indeed.
Careful, do you really want to be accused of preferring total shit such as Paul McCartneys frog chorus over John Lennons seminal 'imagine?'
Quoting T Clark
Maybe there is hope for you yet comrade! Man the barricades!!!! I'll be there!
Quoting T Clark
A boss you loved? Do you mean physically or.......
Thomas Edison! WTF!
Although, I do think there is some justice in your suggestion that if you existed once as a completely self- agrrandising, narcissistic, obnoxious bas****. That you might be reincarnated as the exact same character again and again, and that this repeats until you finally learn the error of your ways.
Quoting T Clark
I am a secular humanist/socialist who currently has lost all alliance with party politics and I agree that current politicians are not doing enough to help 'the poor and huddled masses,' or 'the working people.'
Oh, I forgot, Happy New Year TPF!
What is not superfluous and never will be is nurturing people and not profits.
Not nurturing people and nurturing profits more is the reason why most folks don't have enough 'means of exchange.' Anyway, you type stuff like:
Quoting Bitter Crank
So for me, you are part of the solutions.
I think you should change that annoying 'Bitter Crank' handle of yours however. Perhaps make it your new year's resolution, no? Okaaaaaaaaaaay! I will stop asking you to! You don't need to form in my mind as a big angry face telling me to F*** off! Calm down comrade! :scream:
I think we broadly agree except in the 'order of events.'
I don't think we have to completely 'sort out the Earth and globally unite as a species,' before, making any moves towards significant space exploration and development.
I don't see the 'finance' barrier at all. Finance and money based economics are fake 'valuations.'
I just see humans, and a planet of finite resources.
If we invest some of those resources wisely then we can replenish the Earth with extraterrestial resources.
That's the fundamental way I see the situation.
I know its a naive frame of reference but it is nonetheless a fundamentally true and accurate frame of reference. The rest is just economic subterfuge, (the money trick, as described in Robert Tressell's(Noonan's) The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists) is, of our own historical creation.
We need to rip it out as it's holding us back!
Is that a pic of you?
Do you remember this: :lol: :rofl:
Don't forget (and I'm sure you have not) the personal lack of 'means of exchange' situations (or abject poverty and disenfranchisement) currently being experienced by the many global millions, living in small villages/townships/slums etc etc in 3rd world countries etc, all over the world. We cannot just have a view, based on the relative poor of 1st world countries.
Here's my favorite TWELVE DAYS satire -- it's a little edgy. Written in 1963 by a trio of young guys. I imagine they had great fun putting it together. The trio did a couple of pieces about Nazis, who in 1963 were only 18 years out of power. Their other one is "I Was Not a Nazi Polka".
It's an ironic descriptor, but over the years enough people have misunderstood that I have put together a search committee to find another one.
Ok, but I have been well-paid and I'm financially secure. I did work I enjoyed and I was generally treated well by my employers. I own my own home and car with no debt. I live in a safe neighborhood and I'm able to help my children out if they need it. I'm reasonably healthy and have good access to high quality health care. I'm not part of the 1%, but I am part of the top 20%.
I am among the most fortunate people who have ever lived. If you want to call me a working man, fine. But there's more to it than that.
I haven't liked much of what the members of the Beatles have done since the group broke up. I really hate "Imagine." Smug pseudo-spiritual claptrap.
I bet Edison was an asshole too.
Quoting universeness
Working people are not poor and huddled masses.
Who would have thought that the reincarnation of Edison started a company called Tesla... :joke:
Good point.
There isn't very much difference, though, between your success and the success of the actual petite bourgeois -- say, a professional running his own shop (dentist, lawyer, doctor, accountant). The labor required, the essential stick-to-it persistence, and the avoidance of dissipation (drugs, alcohol, gambling ... )
(A reverse has happened to a lot of doctors -- instead of running their own shop (excuse me, "practice") they are employees of HMOs and big clinics. Between their employers and insurance companies, they don't have a lot of say about how they do their job. However, they generally are well paid and do well in life.)
The goal of the socialist isn't to straiten your circumstances; the goal is to entitle all workers to a high quality standard of living. Of course, that means different things to different people.
Can we afford it?
Yes, but it will cost the top 1% dearly, maybe even some of the top 2 or 3%. We know that that there has to be a limit on superfluous production, not because of socialism, but because of global warming and global justice.
(There are about 1 billion internal combustion powered cars in use; unless they can be made out of dreams and run on wishes, replacing them with 1 billion electric vehicles is a plan which mostly benefits the auto industry. It's the same game as replacing billions of vinyl records with billions of plastic CDs and then CDs with digital. At least MP3s require fewer petroleum products.)
My impression is that he was a difficult person, i.e., an asshole.
Quoting Shawn
I had a ride in a Tesla; it was not a remarkable experience in any way, shape, manner, or form.
Yeah, not bad, perhaps if I were Jewish I would have found it much funnier. :sweat:
What the hell are they saying for the 5th day. 'To hell with.....what?'
I'm here at this hotel and they've put literally thousands of Christmas lights on the grounds, so much so that there's lines of cars just driving through to see the show.
I'm under this huge Spanish oak with all its lights and this man and wife are there. She's marveling at the display under the moonlit sky, and Prince Charming explains to her, "I know you're wondering how the power grid at the hotel sustains this type of load, but with new technology low voltage LEDs, it's not a problem, so they're not dealing with tripping breakers."
Men are so stupid right?
As if in the olden days they couldn't have just modified the electric box to sustain incandescent bulbs. I'm sure that was what she was really thinking.
Then they returned to their room and made sweet love.
Bitter Crankrob
I was never a beatles or a stones fan, group style or individually but I like quite a few of John Lennon's songs. I'm an old Elvis man!
Quoting T Clark
Oh, he definitely was!
For most 'working people,' they are one pay packet (or more accurately, one bank deposit,) away from being a full member of 'the poor and huddled masses.'
Penance?
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You could go for something enigmatic such as 'mystique' or 'emergence' or something fun like 'omnibrain,' 'omnidude' or 'omnidancer.'
There is of-course, my personal fav, 'I always agree with universeness!'
I suggest, "Henningay"
Opposite actions and all that dialectical behavioral stuff.
"To hell with Adenauer" -- Konrad Adenauer was the first chancellor of Germany after WWII -- serving from 1949 to 1963 with the CDU.
Even before the end of the war, a new political party was being founded by Adenauer —the German Christian Democratic Union (CDU)—in which Roman Catholics and Protestants buried their long-standing differences to present a common front against Nazism and to promote Christian principles in government. Adenauer was not a Nazi, and was stripped of his Cologne political posts in 1933. He ended up in a concentration camp in 1944. (wikipedia)
He was Chancellor after Allied occupation and restoration of Germany as a (again) legitimate nation. The CDU is a catch-all for center right views. According to Wikipedia, denazification ended in 1951; "the program was hugely unpopular in West Germany, where many Nazis maintained positions of power".
Please don't change your handle, but if you must, here are some ideas:
Ah, ok! There are a lot of good suggestions, using words from your own post for your new handle.
Longstanding
Commonfront
Allied
CatchAll
Accordingto
Powerpositions
Or, that IalwaysagreewithUniverseness is still available!
Sour Puss is different but still on-brand.
clarky must be theistrob
The Clornpone chorus was imbedded in my brain in 1958 and has haunted me ever since, It's is the only good number in the musical Li'l Abner, but the Appalachian hick aesthetic of the show is just too debilitating.
Porncone? How about ubi est bubula? Verklempt? Fur clamped?
I hate it when I think someone is picking on me but I can't figure out what they mean.
Don't worry, I'm picking on everyone.
He changed his name to @S and then committed suicide by moderator.
Quoting Bitter Crank
I've always really liked Stubby Kaye. Lil Abner, Cat Ballou, Guys and Dolls.
There's a subtlety to my art, BC.
By the way, I'm thinking of changing my handle to Lewd Jewel.
Bob Flood
Dick Deluge
Lamaj
Gentle Conformist
Gaylord Fauker
As in "Gaylord Nelson" Democratic senator and governor in Wisconsin; environmentalist, founder of Earth Day in 1970. He died in 2005,
Hail Gaylord Nelson!
How about @Notable Stud
I went to an anagram maker. Here are some more possible names:
Refers the leather tanning process
refers to a sailors life -- sex, putting on the uniform, getting a tattoo
refers to being a victim of assault and robbery
Perhaps they are all accurate, but in bar talk, surely it is the reference to becoming a sailor that is referenced.
Regardless, in bar parlance, it means "having been thoroughly done". Maybe?
Redundant. Snot is a lubricant (snot on an doorknob)
How about "snot on a doorknob" for a handle?
Too long?
Snotty Doorknob?
Snotty knob?
Snot Knob?
In Australia (in addition to this) it means a fuckwit or douche canoe.
I'll consider it.
See when we let the monsters we think we're fighting and detest reproduce within ourselves we become little more than a slave to them, and little more than a reflection of them, despite one's best efforts and personal assurances of the opposite..
Perhaps this is what makes life interesting. Perhaps..
Makes the job easier, somewhat. Not always.
I'd recommend a good and long-overdue workout session to any and all afflicted.
Of course.. wisdom doth often fall on deaf ears.
I am beginning to think you are merely teasing and you wont change your Bitter and Cranky handle.
What is the connection between your bitter and cranky and your nice doggy pic?
Did you or do you have a dog in your life that was/is bitter and cranky?
Blunt Dose?
RJ Reynolds is as involved in dead smokers as Phillip Morris. They tried pairing themselves with Nabisco to give themselves a more wholesome reputation. That didn't last. Nabisco is a name change too -- formerly National Biscuit Company. Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing abbreviated themselves to 3M. Seems like a good move.
As in "up shit creek in a chickenwire canoe"?
No. Dogs don't become bitter cranks. They quite often get bitter and resentful when they have to get off the couch, don't get a share of raw hamburger, are going to be left at home for 5 minutes, somebody is getting more attention than they are, aren't allowed on the bed, and so on.
Crazy dogs skip crankhood and go directly to insanity. Insane dogs are almost always the result of insane owners. It's easy to raise happy dogs--you just have to make them the center of your life and bend over backwards to make sure they are getting some of what they want--a piece of cheese, yes; the apple pie, no. A little piece, yes; the whole roast, no. Walks every day to interesting places with plenty of time to stop and sniff (for the dog), The dog will want to join you on the couch; quite possibly own the couch. Ditto for the bed.
That's one canoe you'd want to stand up in.
Nope, sounds painful. Like the second jab of a needle that did not work the first time they tried to inject you.
One of my favorite sayings is “yaba daba dingbat doo.”
I use "yaba daba doo" sometimes. Adding "dingbat" breaks up the rhythm in a way that doesn't make aesthetic sense.
Nonsense. The emphasis of the phrase is on "doo", with a slight emphasis on "dingbat". It's quite aesthetic when you know how to pronounce it.
I'm perfectly capable of discerning the musical cadences of both phrases, thank you. In fact, I don't find a quarter note rest to be present nor needed at the end of the first phrase. Such a suggestion would imply that rest phrases of various lengths are required at the ends of any and all sentences, based solely on the length of the last word of the sentence, which is absurd.
I didn’t say or imply that you weren’t. I was primarily responding to TC, but I wanted to include you because you were part of the conversation, and because my comment was in support of yours. And anyway, I was just giving my analysis of the rhythm, which anyone is free to disagree with, as you in fact did.
Quoting Noble Dust
Well, it’s not exactly needed, but to me it seems that by the time you get to the “doo” in the shorter phrase, 4/4 time has been implied already, and if you say the two phrases back to back it’s natural to fall into that meter, in which the shorter phrase has either a rest after the “doo”, or else a full half-note “doo”.
Quoting T Clark
Quoting Noble Dust
Quoting Jamal
Quoting Noble Dust
Quoting Jamal
And people ask me why I want to be a member of The Philosophy Forum. Where else can I find such deep discussions about such important philosophical issues.
Yes. And that's why I love the forum so much. Annoying @Noble Dust is just icing on the cake.
All very interesting and tells me absolutely nothing about your choice of a golden retriever image to represent your bitter crank handle. It also tells me nothing about your procrastination as regards changing that depressing handle! Perhaps that's just your cunning plan! :lol: :roll: :zip: :lol:
Of course anyone might disagree, there is no cadence or time signature given, and no specific temporal value assigned to the individual syllables expressed, nor even an indication of accents. Therefore there cannot be a correct way. Some may have heard it one way, or hear it in the mind, imaginarily, another way, and automatically think that's the correct way because it's personally intuitive. But metre is a very tricky thing, and subtle differences may have a large effect.
Incidentally, my OED defines "metre" as 1. a) "any form of poetic rhythm, determined by the number and length of feet in a line."
"The number and length of feet in a line", what's that about?
You mean what’s with the feet? A poetry thing. Different terminology from music. Or else, the feet indicate the dance steps.
I always thought there was about 3.3 feet in a metre, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.
Dr. Google tells me " A poetic foot is a basic repeated sequence of meter composed of two or more accented or unaccented syllables."
So how many feet would be in "yaba daba doo", and how many feet in “yaba daba dingbat doo.”? Or is it just a matter of personal preference? I see that the definition requires two or more syllables for a foot. So I don't think "doo" has a foot to stand alone on, in one case it's united with "daba" and in the other with "dingbat". Maybe "yaba daba dingbat ski doo" would be better, or even "yaba daba douche canoe".
I've worked really hard to annoy several Scotsmen and Irishmen here on the forum.
'Right up yer Kilt!!!!
Quoting Noble Dust
Also, I think the politically correct way of saying it now is "BCE."
And he didn't even ask nicely. It was like, "Hey serf, change my name". :sad:
Try as he might to distance himself from his moniker, it just can’t be done.
Now you know how I felt when @T Clark tried to become Clarky.
Quoting T Clark
Yes, but British Columbia is still BC. bc is also short for 'because'.
It takes me a long time to transfer characteristics to somebody's new name. BC may help those similarly affected. Who was @Shawn once upon a time? When did he start wallowing?
Quoting Baden
Oh, I'm very sorry. I didn't know you were not a serf. It surely isn't my fault if you weren't paying attention when Tsar Alexander II freed you all. Still, here is magnanimous butter-with-sugar-and-cinnamon-sprinkled-on-top THANK YOU to all of our servant moderators.
Ok, I feel better now. Phew...
Let's play "How many of @Shawn's names can you remember?"
Question
Posty McPosterface
Wallows (?)
Shawn
*doo
Wasn't it "Willows"? Or was that someone else?
For some reason that made me think of this, the greatest youtube short of all time:
Of course. Thanks for the correction.
Thanks for reducing my suffering. There are not many on TPF who display empathetic ability.
BC is OK, it reminds you of your old bad handle and allows others to create their own personal expansion for your new mnemonic.
Best Criminal
Bad Christian
Beautiful Crescendo
Big Cucumber
Blistered Cake
Bomber Command
Benedict Cumberbatch
Berry Cood
and many many more!
Oh! I forgot, there is now some sense to the golden retriever.
Barking Critter
Barky C***! etc.
Yes, those used to be my past identities.
Willowz, was the one I became known as at the old forum. Posty Mc Postface was suggested by @Michael and seemed to do well. I guess first names don't do well online. Seems not snazzy enough...
I started wallowing once I accepted life with depression... :ok:
:ok:
In Spanish and Basque, Pig is said "Gocho" (Gotxo). It is one of the words of my vocabulary I like the most.
Isn't "cerdo" a suggestion of being overweight?
Gocho is more friendly. When I was a kid I remember my mother calling me Gocho when I was eating the food so fast.
In the other hand: all professionals of animal husbandry use the word "cerdo" and "porcino" instead of gocho. It is a shame...
No! We use words as "vaca" "hipopótamo" or "gordaco" to suggest overweight.
"Cerdo" is more related to someone who didn't take a shower in days.
Thanks! :)
Swine = Old English, Dutch
Hog = Celtic, Old English
Pig = Old English from picbred, pig bread, meaning acorn
Pork = Latin Porcus - Old French porc
Barrow = a castrated young pig
Gilt = a young female pig, from Old Norse
sow = Old English, Dutch, German
boar = Old English, Dutch, German (Porto West Germanic bair)
Shoat = Middle English
Not all piggery words are good for insulting. "Pork", for instance, hasn't taken on the negative connotations of "swine" (usually men) or "sow" (woman). "Hog" and "pig" are only mildly negative. "Porker" on the other hand is insulting.
"Hog" became a verb at some point, used in protest -- "You're hogging the blankets".
Swine are unfairly referenced as voracious fast messy eaters. Lots of animals eat with unfettered enthusiasm. And if they aren't competing with the other pigs in the trough, they eat more thoughtfully -- a single pig eating apples does so considerately.
Cerdaca: Pejorative. It means when a woman has relationships with a lot of men.
Gorrino: we use this word to refer to a fat pig.
Puerco: I think it comes from Latin Porcus.
Gotxo: Basque.
Porc: Catalan.
Cerdo: Spanish.
Porco: Galician.
Chancho: rural slang.
We have a few sayings related to pigs: "como un cerdo en el barro" (like a pig in the mud) it means you are so happy doing something (in a mood of happiness)
A todo Cerdo le llega su San Martín (it means that karma pays back :lol: )
Pigs wallow in mud in the summer to cool off. They do look very contented in the mud. These days, most pigs do not have the opportunity to wallow since they are confined in barns. In the past, not all that long ago, pigs were raised in smaller batches on smaller farms and they were outside as much as they wanted to be.
Pigs are actually quite smart. As one hog farmer said, "If we had been breeding pigs for brains instead of meat, they'd probably be eating with us by now."
Couldn't have said it better!
Is there a saying in Spanish that talks about the kindness or the big heart of a pig?
I wish it is close to what you were asking for.
A pig in a poke? Something that is bought or accepted without knowing its value or seeing it first. A "poke" is a purse. The pig in a poke expression was used in 1555 ---]]
Pig ate my Pizza--local suburban pizza place. Odd.
Sweat like a pig... Pigs sweat, but the number of sweat glands is insufficient to keep them cool. So, if somebody is sweating like a pig, are they sweating a lot, or not sweating enough? A mystery.
We also use those expressions! Piggy philosophy is around the world!
Interesting. The only similar expression that comes to mind is: ni de coña. But it is not related to pigs...
Yes, I have heard this one. It's usually said, in the performative 'sweating like a pig'.
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He's wrecking the Republicans. Is that not a good thing?
I'll admit to some gloating, but I try not to show it too much. The US needs two functioning political parties, both willing and able to govern. But that's irrelevant to the fact that Gaetz is clearly evil.
Contemporary usage would be "slut", from 14th century English.
"Pig" has pejorative sexual connotations and applies to both men and women in different contexts. An inordinately promiscuous gay male might be referred to as a pig.
There is a very unrefined song not suitable for present upstanding company, The Ballad of Ethel Pump, about a drunken slob and an ugly whore ("the closer she got the more she looked like Ghengis Kahn"). Miss Pump was not pretty and not petite, she was a B I G woman. The pig connection: she snorts like a pig.
There's also "pighead". I think the Brits use it too with the Yankees.
Quoting BC
Or less pejorative, but equally coarse - "So, did you pork her?'
Old guard is disappearing.
Another familiar one. Quoting Tom Storm
Crass indeed. American piggery has a better PR company: "Pork: the other white meat". (Not the other meat white people like; they are trying to get people to think of pork as chicken, which is Orwellian.)
I forgot that one - we had that here too before the 'fork' version. Sometimes you'd see a bumper sticker parody - "Cat: the other white meat."
Also: Male chauvinist pig
Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while
Bleed like a stuck pig
Quoting T Clark
Author Dorothy Parker was attempting to go through a doorway at the same time as playwright Clare Boothe Luce, and words were exchanged. “Age before beauty” said Luce while yielding the way. “And pearls before swine,” replied Parker while gliding through the doorway.
To eat (a specific thing) gluttonously or to excess.
We found out the exact definition of gotxo in English!
I might feel a little bit differently if the pratt stated that he would give all profits from the book to charities but he wont. If the book does damage to the monarchy in the UK and it helps end that farce then it's done some good but I doubt it will as too many people here love the 'soap opera,' which now IS the British monarchy and aristocracy.
"Nobody gives a damn': Home Depot's co-founder says the rise of 'socialism' is making people 'too lazy,' 'too fat,' and 'too stupid' to work — here are 4 stocks to capitalize on that trend..."
That's a tidbit of AI generated art. It's a gorilla.
I thought it was a bulldog when I saw it the first time.
i don't know man, it looks more like a pig's snout than a gorilla's nose to me. It's flat.
But it is true that the snout is controversial. It could be from a pig or a gorilla.
It looks primate to me, but then I've been fascinated for a while about how the homo sapiens face developed. The jaw of earlier members of the homo genus basically receded until the nose was left sticking out. Sometimes human jaws recede too much and it causes Pierre Robin syndrome. It's pretty common.
There's also a theory that the human brain is big because of a mutation that weakened the jaw muscles. The earlier strong jaw muscles constrained the size of the skull, so weaker muscles allowed the skull to keep growing. Since our jaws were weak, we couldn't eat the kind of vegetable matter that our primate ancestors could, so we didn't need a big jaw anymore. The jaw just receded and left the nose sticking out.
[hide="Reveal"]Why are you looking in here.[/hide]
Socrates was reported to be ugly and he sported a snub nose.
Quoting javi2541997
It actually is a combination pig/primate. The anthropologists and geneticists were too embarrassed to publish this, but about 5 million years ago, pigs and primates successfully mated (it was very perverse) and the offspring flourished. Our perverse pedigree of pig/primate is what accounts for so much of our totally disgusting behavior. However, it was pig brains that gave us the evolutionary edge.
Quoting frank
So, it is actually modern sapient pigs that are slack jawed. That fits.
I have no idea what this means but I do love sausage.
Quoting BC
Wow! :sweat:
Well, I guess it is a good example of the fauna cheering and Interacting each other without repression and human control. That's a real scenario of savagry in virgin land.
You have Harry, we have Kevin and a cabal of right-wing savages who can't get the House up and running.
I don't quite understand what's wrong with those guys. Do you?
Right-wing sausages? Have you been talking to @Jamal?
Is it possible this is what @alan 1000 is talking about?
A pathological aversion to pissing anyone off.
(PS I know the question wasn't addressed to me, or probably even applied to my country... but it's pandemic, so we all partake.)
Forgetfulness. We've forgotten that working people are the heart of our country and the Democratic Party.
Working class. That sounds so sad. I imagine some lady in a basement sweatshop, who was knocked down on her way home by some kids and she broke both wrists and she couldn't work the sewing machine anymore so she resorts to prostitution to feed her illegitimate baby and she got syphilis and became a drug addict was accidentally caught in a fire at the chemical plant and it turned her into Cat Woman and now she's a super villain all because the system failed her.
:up:
There still is a left wing? I thought it died from whatever it caught.
This says a lot about you and nothing about me or my ideas.
Interestingly Richard Rorty said a similar thing to you back in 2000 (or thereabouts) the Left has lost its way and needs to reunite diverse marginalized groups (most of these being underpaid or unemployed workers) into a majoritarian reformist left rather than a fragmented cultural left movement. Majoritarian causes being health insurance, minimum wage, work conditions and decent affordable housing.
Or David Bowie.
Yes, well... Obviously, the idea isn't original with either Rorty or me. Seems to me that from a certain political perspective it is self-evident.
I like Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. I've listened to it about a thousand times.
:up: When I think working class, I think Bowie. Cool bloke.
Really? Are you an Irish nobleman?
Yes.
Really? Like an earl?
No, just a nob. Which is like the half of a nobleman beneath the belt.
Sounds right. :grin:
Yes, and safer too. Noblemen don't last long in the bogs of Ireland. Usually end up as turf.
Nobs live long and prosper.
Like Vulcans?
Minus the logic, yes.
Way too many of us leftists suffer from sexual diseases we caught while laying in bed with capitalists. Gross Domestic Gonorrhea, for instance.
The further left we go, the more we become voices in the wilderness, howling.
Worst, we suffer from sound dogma which we can't translate into good advertising copy.
It's the same old crap! I despair more of the people who follow the soap opera and buy the freaking books! People talk about how nefarious historical monarchies are but yet one is still tolerated in the UK.
People say 'but they have no power.' Hah! they have the power to legitimise the vile idea of being given extremely privileged status and reverence based solely on bloodline and birthright.
I like the dishes and cup.
Not in the picture were my homemade buttermilk biscuits, which I made with frozen grated butter, which provides an outlet for the marmalade. Those are breakfast sausage patties, but burgers slathered in jam is funnier, so I'll go with that.
You couldn't imagine the thousands of shades of beige we sorted through to find the perfect one. I use "we" liberally here.
This being my second marriage, instead of saying "They're all the same. Who cares?, " I said, "You're better at this than me. You choose."
Were you planning on cooking the bacon?
Funny story. I was in Iceland and we were on some trail and an Italian family was eating raw bacon on bread straight from the package that was packaged in English. It was pulling out all stringy as they ate it.
Had I known Italian and had my kids not thought it so funny, I'd have told them it wasn't prosciutto. Probably had a good coating of raw lard in their mouth after that.
Quoting Hanover
It's your arteries that are in peril. Bonne Maman apricot jam, though, is a good thing. Bonne Maman offered an advent calendar of 24 - 1 oz. jars of jam, most varieties of which never show up in the United States -- the French keep the good stuff for themselves. I think Amazon still has them for sale.
I’m guessing toasted almond, butterscotch, or golden wheat. I’d like to use the phrase “burnt umber” but that’s a different colour entirely.
Since the item you are discussing is located in the United States, you have to spell it "color."
Just a thought - we would be missing all this if we abolished The Shoutbox.
It's better than the family size grape jam I grew up on.
When I was a kid, I always wanted to buy the already mixed peanut butter and jelly jars because it had cool stripes of each ingredient in it, yet my unloving patents refused, insisting it was disgusting.
I was to later learn they weren't wrong
It was actually called "Suburban Resignation Bland." I had wanted what was simply called "Regret" because for a single price you could get an unlimited supply. They called it their bottomless pit sale.
Come to think of it, that was a really fucked up paint store.
Also, if you use that stuff, you can't make peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches. PBJ&M sounds awful.
When I come home from work, my wife calls me a mother fucker and smashes PB&Js on me. It's called PBJ&S&M.
Don't judge me.
PBJM&S&M sounds awful too.
But Wikipedia says
Can these both be true?
Not according to the Law of the Excluded Vittles.
Mais oui!
It is a multi-national company founded in Biars-sur-Cère, a small French village known for its fruit.
Yes, the jam free days. I remember mine well. Emerged a better person.
I don’t think that had occurred to me, even though for a few months I took the dogs for a walk around a plum orchard every day and picked plums off the trees. One of the dogs was blind and kept walking into the trunks of the plum trees, which she didn’t seem to mind, and another was old and fell over when he got excited and tried to run too fast.
There's a shade of gray called 'existential despair'.
Many fine looking packaged foods are made in dark satanic mills. Peanut butter, for example, (known as legume sludge until final labeling) is all made at one plant located on the Houston Ship Canal, in-between petroleum refineries. It's shipped out in railroad tank cars to repackaging plants around the country and given various labels -- Jif, Skippy, Nature's Organic Goodness, or whatever. I prefer Jif extra crunchy. The most expensive frozen entrees are made in a former pesticide chemical plant in New Jersey and shipped around the country by freight trains. P. F. Chang's is pretty good.
A gingham patterned hand-lettering-like label will give any old can of worms a quality flavor and mouth feel.
Caveat emptor, as if the emptor had any choice.
Fifteen years, nine months, and six days. Now, jam feels like a special treat.
That's how they say "like that". They say "like at."
As if....
Thank you for reaching out to me. I haven't had anything positive to say for over a year now and our first appearance before the judge is the 31st of this month.
I don't mind being alone but the isolation is killing me.
Fucking a ..here come the tears....
It's really a time capsule of such seeing as the kids and Cosmic Wanker moved out in October.
I know I am not judged here but please don't stop reaching out to me. I'm not in the best state of mind.
I'm down to affording one meal a day and it sucks to be having to hunker down month after month.
I'm sorry.....
Sorry about the issues, but nice to see you around.
It's an emotional time and I am spiritually exhausted.
I'm built for this shit but it is heavy, very heavy.
Well, glad to see you alive and kickin.
Maybe time to grow some pigs and make farm money. Pigs are a great pets too.
But at least he gets to fuck his mother. "Calls me a motherfucker".
Well, sex is sex. Don't sneeze at it. If you refuse it, you'll regret it later.
We are here for you and behind you and will always listen to you. You're part of the family. Stay strong and stay with us. :heart:
The other thing is long legs wouldn't fit in my bed, but long arms would allow me to flip the light switch off on the wall without having to get up.
I'm going to get the right arm done and then think about the left one.
Thoughts?
Unsurprisingly, you pose this as an either/or. You should probably get one arm and one leg done as a compromise.
Not a bad idea. I'm going to call my bicycle guy to have him modify my pedals for me to account for the different leg lengths. That should be the only big issue, but he's a really good bicycle guy. He put a seat on the pole that I didn't realize was missing. MUCH more comfortable. You have no idea.
This, my friends, is why there must always be a Shoutbox.
You just need some gorilla DNA.
Schadenfreude? I sneezed.
Happy to help. Just remember to do the lengthening on opposite sides; otherwise, you'll keep falling over due to the extra weight on one side. (See diagram, which I got from a medical textbook).
My 2023 New Year's Resolutions:
What would be funny is if we close Shoutbox 2 and then someone opens a feedback discussion demanding it be reopened. Et voila, we have Shoutbox 3. This process could theoretically go on indefinitely until the vast majority of TPF is made up of Shoutbox discussions and @alan1000's criticisms ironically become validated.
Let's do it!!! You go first.
Um, I probably should have kept that to myself.
Spot on.
Metaphysics comes after physics, like after shave.
The effort devoted to either is proportionate to what is excluded by the other.
We are all Donald Trump Jr.
Your vague attack against Heraclitus is a dodge to avoid supporting your Paramedian proclivities.
You cannot be certain Hanover has not already doxed himself.
The rest is an attempt to appropriate culture which I would appropriate back if I could remember what it was. I do remember the scrums from rugby.
Lights from cars form arcs across the ceiling of my RV.
Truth be told, I find many of them intriguing; I can't tell what they conceivably could be for, but they look cool. (It's just the picture, and off to the right the seller.)
Anyway, I don't know whether it's metric or imperial (now the American Empire, not the British has been).
This is a pitiful attempt at [s]humour[/s] humor.
As for Hanover, he's told so many stories, lies, about himself, he can't remember who he really is. Those goats are just a figment of his shattered, warped psychopathology.
Seems redundant and contradictory; psychopathology is, by definition, warped. Shattered psychopathology sounds like a cure. And then, imaginations have figments, not psychopathologies, shattered, warped, or otherwise.
Are you sure you're ready to be a moderator, given that moderators never make mistakes, always observe the Elements of Style, and in some respects are perfect?
When we were in Europe in 2014, my brother and I drove south from Amsterdam, through Belgium, into Germany, then to Alsace, back into Germany and into Luxembourg. On the way down, we followed the opening line of battle for WW1. Castles, fortresses, and battle scenes were as frequent as Dunkin Donuts are here in New England. We got a real, visceral feel for how overwhelming the effect of war on European history has been. Here in the US we have mostly been sheltered from that.
Not only am I ready, it is, as George McFly said, my density.
Couldn't he have just wrapped a shitload of plastic or waxed paper around a threaded rod or something like that, and screwed it? Pipe dope, the plumber's magic. There's not that much pressure in a bunghole is there? But don't start a plumber talking about laying pipe.
Well, it is a lot up front, but you don't want a second rate one. You can pay now or pay a whole lot more later. Trust a man who knows all too well.
My problem with the copper pipes is the meth heads come steal it and sell it for scrap. They take it right out from under me, straight from my bunghole while I'm sleeping. Ever woken up with an invaded bunghole? Trust a man who knows. Very disconcerting.
I shortened the ring finger on my left hand last month by a quarter inch, though not intentionally. I broke the metacarpal and the uncorrected displacement resulted in less finger length. The only possible advantage that I can imagine so far is that if I were to flip someone off with my left hand my penis would symbolically suggest a slightly larger size, and that would appeal to my vanity (if I possessed any), although it might alternatively suggest that I have a small right nut. :confused:
What I would propose regarding your finger injury is what I use for tooth extraction, involving tying a string around the affected finger and then to an open window. Upon slamming the window shut, your finger will pull to its original length and your penis will (unfortunately) as well.
In any event, thank you for sharing your photo. It's always good to put a name with a picture.
Can you suggest a better alternative?
Quoting T Clark
I would happily adhere to this were it not for the inevitable fury of my linguistically misguided compatriots.
Quoting T Clark
Again, what is your preferred alternative? Exactly? Precisely?
Many lovers of language have locutions they dislike, and it’s not always easy to see why. I dislike “at first blush” (not sure why), “being that” (grossly illiterate and ugly), and the ever-expanding misuse of “as such”.
Is this your new strategy to get me to shut up - taking my posts seriously?
Yikes! Sad but true.
It's kind of fat. But, mostly happy.
Nancy Pelosi is an example of someone who appears to have been "preserved in aspic". Mitch McConnel, on the other hand, seems to have spoiled in aspic--rapidly deteriorating, but protected from full-blown rot.
BTW, David Brooks (someone else successfully preserved in aspic) characterized the extreme right wing congress people as 'nihilists' -- their intent, he said, is to burn the place down. They might get their chance on the debt ceiling vote coming up in a few months.
Pearl clutching seems to be over.
They’ve been cast before swine.
Felt compelled to announce this.
The Scott Joplin music works in it too, even if it's the wrong period.
Those Christian frogs from Texas were crucified.
No frogs were harmed.
Yes, well... Anyway, congratulations on Georgia's win.
It's a clean beautiful pig.
TCU should apologize to Georgia for having been on the same field as them. And when I say "Georgia," I don't mean just to the university, but I mean to the state itself, including all its real estate, fixtures, flora and fauna, wildlife, citizens, visitors, legal entities, and any and all animate and inanimate objects within its borders.
After the apology, which will not be accepted, they should then to be forever banished beyond the 24th parallel north and south, which I hope is somewhere far away.
Only then can they think we are ready to begin the healing process of being sullied by their presence.
We can allow pigs here, in moderation, but no sporty pigs, please.
It doesn't seem sad. My intuition tells me otherwise.
udderly amazing!
Yes, it's a beautiful sow...
Are you saying that pigs will be allowed to be moderators?
How about the anagram Novaher? It could be a reference to your relationship with women! You old dog you! Or old pig (just so that @Shawn may be so happy he might even shine once more.)
You can even still insist on the Scottish RRRrrrrrrr!
The British bread wars continue as Waitrose removes all Warburton's products from its supermarkets.
I mention this here because my phone put it at the top of my news feed, so I guess it must be important.
Hotdogs are better.
We've had a similar situation in Canada, spats between manufacturers and retailers. Recently Loblaw (Canada's largest grocer) refused to stock Frito-Lay (manufacturer of potato chips and snacks), because they said Frito-Lay was charging too much.
On the other side of the coin... About five years ago Weston, who owns Weston Bakery as well as Loblaw, the grocery retailer, got charged with fixing the price of bread over a fifteen year period. There was a class action lawsuit and all Loblaw customers got a $25 gift card in settlement. Whoopie! $25 after getting ripped off on every loaf of bread you bought for fifteen years.
My cat is a natural kneader, so she'll be put to work. I'll wash the cat litter off her paws first to avoid the crunch it imparts.
Or. Aubergine.
I was trying to write something else but the predictive text inserted the aubergine, and now I’ve forgotten what it was meant to be.
Perhaps "Abergavenny."
Predictive text is an interesting technical invention, but can be exquisitely unhelpful.
Does this have anything to do with the phrase "Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb"?
@Shawn, this is for you. Make sure you watch to the end.
https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/101lwg5/to_film_an_amazing_view/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I didn't know you were on reddit, and I didn't know you listened to rap. My mental image of you has changed.
I am on reddit, but I always watch videos with the sound off. I didn't realize it was rap.
For no logical reason I can think of, my mental image of Clarky resembles Benjamin Franklin. Do with that information what you will.
Right, but you forgot the shotgun. Not many passersby at 3:20 in the morning.
That's really ironic. I can't stand to wear bifocals.
My new theory is that you're Benny reincarnated.
In my mind it’s a flintlock.
If I had shotgun, I could have shot the man so I wouldn't have had to pay him.
Ha!
This is why you need a shotgun:
A marvelous video... The pig was clearly the cherry on the top.
I thought you would like it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone_448_C#:~:text=Pantone%20448%20C%20is%20a,was%20the%20least%20attractive%20colour.
This is the most beautiful:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/YInMn_Blue
Now you know.
It's like lists of worst to best airports. They're calculated by percentage of delayed flights, as if a 1% differential in delays definitively makes one airport better than another.
I think even I'm beginning to get tired of the pig posts, which is saying a lot, Posty. What about good ol' Wilson?
Well, our relation to pigs is informative to me about how cheap life seems to be or how little we value it for them, the pigs, that is. :chin:
I respect and admire your sensitivity to pigs. I wish I had the emotional energy to match you, but my life is too full of other sensitivities to be able to.
I doubt that is true given you're invested in music. I'm pretty cold and aloof in affect. Maybe I just seem sensitive but I'm pretty cold to most people that I deal with or from what I can gather their opinion about me. It must be my obsession with being reasonable and all that.
How about you?
So where does your interest in pigs stem from? I read it as a sensitivity to their generally "human" characteristics; emotion, magnanimity, sociality, docility, cleanliness.
How about me what?
I would say that my interest in pigs is myopic towards the notion that I am sensitive. For what it's worth, they're unique in those characteristics that you listed and a lot of other people seem to like them as pets. I suppose that adopting a pig would make a dog seem boring or idiotic; but I might be full of shit because I've not yet managed to adopt a pig and compare it to a dog.
Quoting Noble Dust
Well, you're tired of talking about pigs, so I guess I won't bother you about pigs.
"Since 2016, the same colour has also been used for plain cigarette packaging in many countries, including France, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Israel, Norway, New Zealand, Slovenia, Saudi Arabia, Uruguay, Thailand, Singapore, Turkey, Belgium, and the Netherlands."
Well I now understand why the cigarette packs here are RED. It is a marketing strategy to force the people smoking! :scream: It is a evil complot!
Nonsense. I smoke American Spirits, which come in all colors of the rainbow.
I mean those colours are more stimulus than "drab dark brown"
Brown is not even part in the rainbow.
I'll send pics when it's cooled and cut so you can experience the joy of bread with me. I suspect it goes good with butter, but such is wild conjecture by me.
We will all enjoy the pics. Please post. Thanks.
The green/brown cigarette packets here are hideous, so I think they are doing the job. Almost 20 years ago, I used to smoke 25 to 50 cigarettes a day and the packets used to look kind of cool. Especially the soft pack Peter Stuyvesant and Lucky Strikes brands. If I smoked today, I would simply put all my cigarettes into a cigarette case to jazz up the experience. If I'm going to get cancer, I want a modicum of aesthetic pleasure with my addiction.
I grew up in Delaware, where we were so poor we couldn't afford bread. So they let us eat cake.
Quoting Tom Storm
"jazz up": a new verb I learned today. I searched it in Google and it says: To make gaudy and bright/make more interesting or lively.
I learn something new everyday in this forum.
This bread tasted of Clark"s youthful poverty,
As suspected, it did well paired with butter.
The cornmeal and whole wheat base made it a bit heartier and the molasses added a sweetness that added a sweetness that was sweet.
I'm happy with that comparison.
The shape kinda looks like a pig. Was that on purpose? Or am I just suffering from that condition where you see pigs everywhere because some dude couldn't stop himself posting pictures of them every couple of hours? (Porcinevidereonlineitis).
It's a Texan thing. You wouldn't understand.
Quoting Paine
Knowing what an armadillo looks like is a Texan thing? :chin:
It does increase the statistical likelihood that you have the capacity.
Your loaf looks kind of bad, but also kind of good. Also, are you purposefully not tagging Clarky in protest of Banno's rather egotistical complaint of people not tagging him when talking about him? If so I approve.
What type of pizza oven? Ooni or whatever it's called? I'm a pizza fanatic and would love to get able to get one some day, but I don't have outdoor space at the moment.
I can't remember how to tag @Tclark. Someone remind me.
It doesn't show up on the list, but it works. Just type t clark after the @ in the box. Space after the T.
I have no problem with not tagging me unless it's an insult. I hate to miss a good insult.
So should I only tag you if I'm insulting you?
You should tag me whenever you want me to respond, but especially with insults.
I call it throwback Sunday, which is pretty authentic but for the interweb posting thing I'm simultaneously doing.
Time for some Cline:
Maybe hold it up to your face and jut out your two front teeth and scrape the good part off and sling the other part off like a Frisbee.
For those who might not know, tomorrow is a national holiday in the US, but not commemorating Lee, but it's MLK Day.
You have wandered into a vast field of lost culture. Run for the quickest exit.
It's made MLK Day that much more relevant for me, and for that, I am glad I wandered in.
You are up to speed.
Do yourself one better.
https://www.my60stv.com/
[hide="Reveal"]Disclaimer: Television may or may not rot the mind.[/hide]
Good to know. I like to think my immature days of insulting members that annoy me are over, but one never knows.
From "Windfall" by Son Volt:
[i]Switching it over to AM
Searching for a truer sound
Can't recall the call letters
Steel guitar and settle down
Catching an all-night station
Somewhere in Louisiana
It sounds like 1963
But for now it sounds like heaven[/i]
I was once 17, still am 17, and will always be 17. Except every so often I'm 13.
I saw that too and I've never been to Texas. Actually @Hanover bread looked like my mum's meatloaf if it were shaped like a lacerated armadillo. She made dry meatloaf.
But you're far more self aware than a 13 or 17 year old. Which is what counts. You idiot.
Scientifically, how was her meatloaf gray?
The trick is to mix in chopped up tomatoes, onions, and bell peppers, and stretch the meat out with small torn pieces of white bread. The juices from the vegetables will absorb in the bread with the fat from the meat and it will be perfectly moist. Don't overdo the veggies, else your loaf will crumble a bit when sliced, but even so, it'll be delicious.
I stand corrected.
There may still be a connection since you relate the perception to a childhood trauma.
I've never seen it in another color. I leave the science to the experts.
I just assumed she put rocks in it.
Quoting Hanover
Now you're getting the hang of the foodbox. @Jamal and I are proud.
Quoting Paine
If that's for me, there was no trauma just a weekly disappointment. Amongst the other disappointments.
Of course it is for you. Just like the meatloaf was.
That did not come out right.
Do you think she will release herself from that eternal gyration to prepare you a meatloaf?
equal quantity of 20%-fat ground beef and ground pork say, 1.5 lbs total
finely chopped onion (medium to large)
garlic, to taste
2 eggs
1 cup dry oat meal
1 cup ketchup or catsup, either one, but not both
salt, black pepper
mix thoroughly
form into loaf or doughnut shape
add some additional ketchup or catsup on top
bake till interior of loaf reaches about 180ºF (82ºC)
Eggs help bind the ingredients; so does the oatmeal, in addition to retaining moisture. Catsup (or ketchup) adds moisture, flavor, and sweetness.
The standard recipe used to call for 1/3 beef, 1/3 pork, 1/3 veal. Ground veal is hard to come by these days.
This may or may not be definitive meatloaf.
?
A circular shape with a hole in the center; an annulus, plural annuli. In America, doughnuts are round with holes in the middle; Maybe you were thinking of Turkmenistan where they are triangular, or Xinjiang where they are spirals, or Mexico where they are confused with burritos.
Yes, an Ooni. They’re actually quite compact and portable. Would work even on the smallest patio. Or perhaps at the neighborhood park? although then I suppose you’d have to feed your neighbors.
Doubtless this explains my confusion.
Quoting praxis
Sadly I live in a big city and have literally no outdoor space to my name whatsoever.
You seem intelligent enough to make a name for yourself. Why haven't you?
You should have a park or common outdoor area. Get a fish tank. For a thinking man witnessing what you believe to be a greater freedom is as good as experiencing it.
An oven is an oven. They all work the same. Surely your apartment/domicile has one.
Wot do you mean, eh?
Quoting Outlander
I must say I love the random and unintelligible nature of these two sentences back to back. It feels like an absurd standup comedy routine or something. Masterful. That said, I have no clue what you're on about.
Quoting Outlander
Nothing could be more profoundly from the truth.
I burned the bread but just managed to save it with some light scraping. The golden colour is from olive oil.
Anyway, what you need is white bread, whereas @Hanover appears to have made his bread to match his beige walls. I’m sure it’s good with butter and jam though.
As you said, in Catalonia and Majorca the speciality for breakfast is pan con tumaca (this is even a Catalonian phrase, because in Spanish is tomate, not "tumaca") They even put ham with the bread. Nonetheless, I also take it everyday for breakfast but without the tomato. Just bread and oil (well, sometimes I put tofu on it)
Olive oil with tofu? Well, why not?
This morning I had toast with butter and marmalade, but it wasn't really marmalade because it wasn't made with Seville oranges, and wasn't even made with oranges in fact, but with lemons, so I guess it was lemon marmalade or lemon jam. I had to toast the bread in my cast iron frying pan because when I was in Spain my wife got rid of the toaster. When I asked why, she said "Russians don't eat toast. Deal with it". Where the toaster used to be there is now an electronic Bork Multichef who talks in a commanding male voice, and my Russian isn't good enough to work out what he's saying.
Yes, that's what I take for breakfast everyday. I am the only one in my house who eats tofu... :lol: my family doesn't like it.
Quoting Jamal
It is not weird, my grandparents do the same and many old people in Spain do it.
Quoting Jamal
:rofl:
Yes, but I'm accustomed to, some would say cosseted by, the culinary conveniences of late capitalism.
The book I bought is of whole grain breads, not bleached flour breads.
That is an entirely different specialty I've yet to conquer.
Prish
I would have thought making a book out of bread was extremely difficult no matter what grain was used. It might be easier if it were a very short book, I suppose.
Quoting Hanover
I too may have missed some context.
What I like about this bread author is that he clearly wrote it from a place of personal passion and not just for chicks and money which is so typical of bread authors.
Not when it comes to pizza. Conventional ovens top out at around 550 degrees fahrenheit. Proper pizza baking requires a couple hundred degrees above that. A lil Ooni oven, for example, can get to 950 degrees and cook a pizza in 60 seconds.
Huh. Didn't know that.. a bit of a production for one sitting though? Perhaps a neighborhood event or something. Seems easy to burn/overcook with that much heat and so little time, no? Guess that's what makes it an art.
My impulses are still those of a 17, sometimes 13, year old. Yes, I am more self aware and maybe even more mature than I was at those ages. That just means I don't do everything my impulses tell me to.
He doesn't knead the dough? :chin:
nlol.
Which piece? The flow charts keep dividing into new flow charts like cell sex.
Built one out the back a few years ago. Takes at least a couple of hours and a reasonable amount of wood to get it up to pizza temp. But if you've a few people over then the pizzas are great. And insulated to the nth degree so I can cook a chook in there the following day and slow cook some lamb in there a day after that.
A type of French bread (may or may not have any connection to France) is made without kneading. Flour, water, salt, and a small amount of yeast are mixed, then refrigerated for 24 to 36 hours. After this cool rising, the dough is deflated and shaped into a baguette or batard, given a second rise at room temperature (an hour, +/- depending on room temperature) then baked.
The result is a coarse-crumbed bread with a good crust, soft interior, and short shelf life (it dries out and goes stale quickly).
Better breads are kneaded for say, 15 minutes. Milk, eggs, and fat (butter, oil) lengthen the shelf life and nutritional content of yeast breads. Kneading produces a fine 'crumb' (texture).
Verified. :)
In other news, I had a half jar of molasses left over from the bread, and that seems like something if not used right away will sit in the pantry until the day comes for my kids to split my belongings, so I decided to make Sriracha and molasses baked chicken legs.
That'll go really well with heavily vinegared collards and maybe buttered acorn squash.
Molasses and Sriracha chicken with acorn squash.
The chicken looks tempting..
The squash look like bystanders reluctant to remove their name tags.
Is that how you serve squash down south, whole, raw, and with the stickers still attached? Please tell me that you at least rinse them before plating.
Practice and patience.
Quoting Hanover
Quoting Hanover
Well matched flavors.
Edit: ok, I just figured out, they are "acorn squash" as you said.
There are winter squash (harvested in the fall; they can be kept for a couple of months in a cool dark place) and summer squash, like zucchini, which are harvested during the summer and are used shortly after harvest.
Squash are one of the three sisters of Native American cuisine - maize, beans, and squash.
Better are buttercup (dark green rind, dark orange solid flesh); butternut (light orange, solid flesh, tan colored rind); hubbard squash (grey-green rind, light yellow solid flesh, can grow very large); kombucha squash (green rind, dark orange solid flesh); delicata, spaghetti, and a hundred others. Pumpkins are squash too, and some varieties are good to eat -- not the kind one uses for halloween.
They did.
Banning is such a primitive concept. I like to think he is arguing about philosophy in another dimension.
I had heard about zucchini, but never about winter squash. I am know doubting on the difference between "pumpkin" and "winter squash" because when I translate those words into Spanish, it says: "calabaza" which I always related to pumpkins.
Another new thing I have learned today.
Well, as you see in the picture we just use one term to refer them: calabaza.
Romanesco? :grin:
I've seen those but never eaten one. But it's a Brassica so :up:
Where I'm from, we carve turnips instead of pumpkins on Halloween. No, wait, that's you, not me. I get us confused some times. I'm not good with names.
I love the croquetas of my mother! :up:
No, that’s me also. I’m always getting Tater and Jasper confused.
Especially yams & sweet potato
Are you saying that everything tastes good with yams and sweet potatoes or are you saying that what goes really good with potatoes are more potatoes?
I'd start a new thread - "Sardines vs. pilchards - what's up with that," but you'd move it to The Lounge. So forget about it.
Quoting Hanover
Of course yams and sweet potatoes are not potatoes. They're not even really food, except for sweet potato pie, which is only food if you put lots of whipped cream on it.
And Sugarr, welcome to the forum. You too Hanover.
Just guessing, but winter squash are probably the property of places that get cold and have shorter growing seasons.
In the other hand, the cause of my confusion is due to vocabulary. We just call it: Calabaza, without making any distinction between the species.
Well, it was an interesting class about greengrocery. I am ready for the next one in the following day: Sardines.
Also two varieties of cucumber, and two of pumpkin. including this "Ironbark"
Another interesting fact: You English speakers use Italian origin word for those vegetables, zucchinis
We call it, in contrast, "calabacín"
In British English we use the word courgette, not zucchini. These days I use zucchini because of my international lifestyle.
Cucumber, very soft skin, very moist flesh, eaten raw or pickled.
squash, the round or oblate shaped fruit, eaten cooked, young; Courgett or Zucchini, those of a more phallic form, Both eaten immediately after picking.
Marrow, more mature and thick-skinned, that will keep for a month or so.
Pumpkin, thickest skin of all, that will keep for several months.
"winter squash" is just confused.
Then you grow up with a bad back. Or maybe bad teeth. Something like that.
:up:
Cucumber is translated as "pepino"
Squash and Pumpkin: the same word for both, calabaza.
Marrow has a translation in Catalan: "carabassó"
Zucchini: we use the word "calabacín"
Rastaman like Kukumba.
Ah yes, that video did cross my mind as I posted, but it didn’t prevent my critique.
And yet no sensible man with a shred of self-respect would dare misrepresent a mere bowl of leafy vegetation as "a salad" without one. It's a water-bearing plant (is mostly water). And is readily edible unlike it's much larger and tougher cousin, the cactus. Adds much needed hydration to the average consumer's grotesque overuse of sodium-filled dressings and "fixins". It also spawned the most widely used and demanded addition to the most popular fast food item of this day and age, the pickle. Some say an entire genre of foods that birthed a nation. That's why it's called "pickling" and not "pig feeting" for example.
It goes good with bacon.
And who suggested the Shoutbox had no value?
So once in a blue moon I make an off color joke and I'm a perv, but here you talk about Mother Theresa straddling a cucumber in her cooter and it's just a regular old Wednesday.
I specifically and regularly make salads without cucumbers. Pickles, on the other hand can literally be anything, although I must admit I’m quite partial to pickled cucumbers.
Americans achieved an international lifestyle by importing Italians, along with their zucchini.
Cucumbers and watermelons are half-sisters. Some people find them equally indigestible. I like both. My father thought that watermelons tasted no better than over-ripe cucumbers. The cucumbers in New York are probably several weeks old by the time you buy them. A fresh cucumber has a refreshing mild wet crunchy seedy green leafy flavor.
They have a DOSlerie nearby too. I got a C:/dir
From Dos you have come, unto Dos you shall return. Amen.
Good produce is notoriously hard to find here. People think of New York as a city where you can get and do anything your heart desires, but it's not the case at all.
Quoting BC
I didn't know wet was a flavor.
My favorite pickle might be daikon radish. There's an amazing Chinese restaurant in Manhattan's Chinatown which serves a country style duck with pickled daikon as a palate cleanser. Sublime.
He's confused enough as it is, so don't tell @javi2541997 that daikon is a winter radish.
I believe it's braised. It's super tender, but the skin is rather gelatinous rather than crispy as in Peking Duck.
There's a photo in this article.
Yams > potatoes in my (unpopular) opinion since yams have more protein, have anti-inflammatory properties, and regulate blood sugar. Yams also provide incredible amounts of Vitamin A, and more than double the amount of potassium than potatoes! Yams are very satiating and an absolute necessity for anyone bulking looking to get high carb intake. Sweet potatoes are delectable too especially if they're boiled.
Potatoes on the other hand are alright i guess.
My #1, by far. Very tasty.
I suppose we all seek attention in different ways.
Apparently very popular in New Orleans.
Quoting javi2541997
I posted this before but Javi continues to insist that Spaniards cannot distinguish between squashes:
I’m beginning to doubt Javi's squash expertise.
Javi only eats Japanese squashes.
True enough. Did you know that they are a type of morning glory root?
You caught me: I made it up.
Quoting T Clark
:lol:
I trusted that you weren't that insane.
For your edification:
Quoting Wikipedia - Cucumber Sandwich
Bum.
Posting a link to an item from British cuisine that features cucumber does nothing to shift my opinion on them.
Anti-cucumber is a strong term. I just don't spend my own money on them; there's plenty of other vegetables I'll reach for instead. How do you eat them?
With the usual Chinese stuff. Soy sauce, garlic, ginger, and so on.
Fair enough, I'm sure I would enjoy that. But still, I would choose mustard greens, mushrooms, or broccoli to be prepared with similar ingredients, although I would cook all three of those options.
I’ve been making that quite often for the last decade. You couldn’t replace the cucumbers without turning it into something else and thereby losing some of the magic of this particular combination of ingredients.
It's unique, I'll grant you that.
I do enjoy a Greek salad with cucumber, but I'm more likely to make something heartier like a chickpea salad with similar ingredients sans cucumber. I'll stop the cucumber criticism there though. Too much negative energy.
Fair enough. I’ll just say one more thing. Tomatoes probably have around the same water content but they don’t have to face this kind of hate. It’s prejudice.
Pit a fresh, in-season tomato, salted, never refrigerated, against the same for a cucumber. Who wins?
You use chopsticks :cool: I use them too.
Quoting Noble Dust
Don't worry we all have criticism in food or dishes. For example: I hate purée. Smells horrible, tastes like a sock and is ugly as hell...
Yes but I struggle with noodles and rice.
I'm explaining tomato's dominance.
Quoting javi2541997
What do you mean by puree? I think of that just meaning anything put in a blender.
I love using chopsticks because, while I like to think I have good technique, it does force me to eat more slowly. I've worked too many jobs in which you don't have a real lunch break, so I'm programmed to eat at maniacal speeds.
And I was making a joke. Anyway sure, tomatoes are mainstream and cucumbers are maybe a bit too niche for you. :wink:
I know. :wink: And yes, I'm apparently too normcore for cuces.
Sorry, I did that @T Clark thing when he says “I was only joking” and you already knew he was only joking. Awkward!
What I want to know is how you posted a blank message.
It's there alright. Your browser might be on cucumber censor mode tho'.
This is clearly a mod conspiracy. I recommend that @T Clark open an incredulous feedback thread about it.
Quoting Noble Dust
This pit :vomit: It is like a soup but the taste is horrible and strong for your mouth. It is not a blender because I guess that's like a juice mixed up with a lot of fruits.
Don't encourage him.
I take pride in the fact that my random picture of an acorn squash has resulted in this conversation.
Now my hope is that we'll have a pun contest.
That pig is one beautiful cucumber herself. She ate it like nothing else.
MIne is but for different reasons...
:gasp:
It is the cat, the cleverist of all animals, that has rightly concluded the danger inherent in the cucumber:
Maybe not at first, but when push came to shove, I think your cat would also be terrified of the cucumber.
A wonderful video and strong evidence for the collective unconscious, at least in cats. We need input from a Jungian veterinarian.
The best evidence in support of my Critique of Pure Cucumbers.
Is Algernon's compulsion to order cucumber sandwiches a valiant leap for the transcendental or an acceptance of his worldly conditions?
I think in Wilde's case they were just a veiled dildo reference...
Them being nicely sliced between layers of bread and mayonnaise suggests a more hylomorphic stance.
It's a bawdy celebration of his own depravity.
Hah, I would never have thought of that. You win.
For sure.
You don't think cubism has a fiber content? How about the fact that it gave all those cultural gate keepers in the 1900's the shits?
It’s a cruel prank. The owners are intentionally producing a surge of intense fear in their cats, which it’s their job to look after. It’s obvious that the cats are suffering extreme stress, so I don’t get why people think it’s funny. Something to do with a general moral degradation in popular culture, but saying so would make me sound like an angry old man.
https://www.insider.com/guides/pets/why-are-cats-scared-of-cucumbers
"In a clinical study of 9,000 cats studied over eight years, placed under constant video surveillance by professors at the University of East Arkansas, Barnesville campus, the cats were divided into three equal groups: those exposed to sudden cucumber appearance, those not so exposed, and those who were constantly told they were good kitties. After adjusting the results for those cats that had to leave the study due to personal reasons, the results showed that the scared cats killed more small yard rodents than the control group (45,000 versus 12,000) and far more than the peaceful good kitty group (3).
Interestingly, the scared cat group was open to more food selection options (812 different brands) than the control group (12) and far more than the good kitty group (2.02).
In conclusion, the scientists stated if you want an independent less demanding cat, you might want to expose it to cucumber, but it's a dick move."
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a) Were the unwary cats alarmed by cucumbers in particular, or would another vegetable (carrot, potato) have caused the same reaction?
b) why were some cats alarmed, some cats curious, and some cats indifferent?
c) did the focus of the cat on eating have anything to do with their reaction? That is, were the alarmist cats so engrossed in stuffing themselves that they didn't hear their torturers approach them from behind with green vegetables?
d) were the unalarmed cats paying more attention to what was going on around them while they were eating?
e) there are similar human behaviors - like Republicans going bat shit when election results fail to comply with their expectations.
Nuff said.
Agriculture linked to changes in age-independent mortality in North America
To summarize - in North America, agriculture took place in two phases which had an effect on death rates among people between the ages of five and 19, those least likely to die. The first phase includes relatively low-intensity agriculture:
This means that the pattern of first adoption of agriculture, seen elsewhere in the world and observed in eastern North America as well, coincides with lower age-independent mortality. Basically, it’s good times, and that’s what we see culturally.”...The first stage of agricultural intensification in North America, which includes the cultivation of plants such as squash, sunflower and other native plants, occurred approximately 2,000 years ago during the Middle Woodland period up to about A.D. 500,
The second phase included more intensive agriculture:
The archaeological record shows that in the centuries just before A.D. 1000, and from that time onward, there was an increase in warfare. During this time Indigenous societies began cultivating maize and beans, and a number of new cultural changes occurred, including the initial development of powerful chiefdom societies. Age-independent mortality increased during this period, presumably due to conflict and the spread of diseases from higher numbers of individuals living near one another.
I have no particular point to make with this. I just thought it is interesting.
https://broadstreet.blog/2021/04/30/a-tale-of-two-famines/#:~:text=Around%206%20to%2010%20million,are%20also%20the%20most%20documented.
Interesting article and interesting website. Do you know anything about who and what Broadstreet is and does?
No, I just looked for a site about the communist famines and that popped up.
If you go to the site's drop down menu and hit the About tab, it'll tell you the background.
If you're curious about this, look at: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
He was the guy who arrived at pseudoscientific agricultural theories that wiped out the crops in Russia and China. Not clear if it was intentional, negligent, or the product of centralized thought systems.
Anyway, tragedy of tragedies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/china-great-famine-book-tombstone
I looked there and there isn't much relevant information. One thing that makes me suspicious is that they don't even have a Wikipedia page. I've always assumed that if it doesn't have a Wikipedia page, it doesn't really exist. Wait....turns out The Philosophy Forum doesn't have a page either, although Penthouse Forum does. Oh...wow man...heavy. I wonder if this is all a figment of my imagination. Maybe I should start a page for the forum. It would be shame if it doesn't exist after all this time. Although it might explain a lot.
Quoting Hanover
Yes. I am familiar with the story.
Quoting Hanover
Interesting, although it doesn't have anything to do with China. It's about Wyatt Earp and his brothers.
I might feel bad about making light of such a tragedy, but at least it's not a picture of a doll's head with human teeth imbedded.
Thought I was dreaming, but this really just happened.
Quoting Coastal News Today
No. No. No, no, no.
Are oysters similarly threatened? Or are they more comfortable in warm slop?
Not a problem. New England and the Maritimes will probably still have scallops for as long as I'll be living, although I'm sure the price, already high, will be exorbitant. One of the advantages of being old.
Quoting BC
I grew up on the Chesapeake Bay and they have oysters there. They have oysters in New Orleans. The consensus is that cold water oysters are best. I haven't had enough warm water ones to judge. The raw ones in New Orleans were terrible. That's probably why they fry them and put them in stews.
I would like to see a study on the effects of placing cats under video surveillance. We know from reality TV shows that creatures tend to act differently when under video surveillance. Or is this just a product of the editing of those shows? Who can give us the truth on these matters?
It's like why a watched pot won't boil.
No, you grew up grew up on shrimp boat with Forrest Gump.
Keep up the good work Wayf.
Has it been determined that being a moderator is more a curse or more a blessing? I would thank @Wayfarer but it is, after all, a thankless job. Instead, weeping, we say "So sorry you took the job."
Good point.
Well pull out that banning stick, and we'll see you in the Bannings thread, where you can display some gumption and muscle.
Oh I think we should all fear the wand waving Wafarer.
I'm going to make some olive and chicken thigh Moroccan food. I'll eat it with all the fucking bread I'm going to make too.
Thoughts?
Yes - Congratulations, condolences. Now you can ban all those materialists.
Are you going to make some fucking Moroccan flat bread or more gray American bread?
What? And prevent them from digging themselves into even greater holes?
I've always felt @Wayfarer should be a mod for the sake of having a more balanced staff. It's good to have a woo woo guy in power.
I looked on the web and the consensus from feline specialists is that the cucumber thing is not funny. But , no matter what they say in public, they must have laughed when they saw the videos.
Little known fact - Forrest Gump was actually the thinly disguised story of my life...except for the war hero, all American athlete, character, courage, and decency stuff. I can't play ping pong either. And what I actually said was "Life is like a box of chocolates, they're all for me, so keep your hands off."
Quoting News.com.au
I was in Galesburg IL once and they had worm vending machines for fishermen.
This makes me wonder if the whale meat vending machines in Japan are for giant and/or colossal squids.
:lol:
Earth’s Inner Core: A Shifting, Spinning Mystery’s Latest Twist
[sup]— Robin George Andrews · The New York Times · Jan 23, 2023[/sup]
Multidecadal variation of the Earth’s inner-core rotation
[sup]— Yi Yang, Xiaodong Song · Nature Geoscience · Jan 23, 2023[/sup]
Just so you know, love is the real cause.
:up: Excellent album
You'll be wondering who the hell Dave Soldier, Komar & Melamid are. Komar and Melamid are avant gardistas, born and raised in the Soviet Union. They are provocateurs; one of their artworks is a sculpture of Joseph Stalin installed in the red light district of The Hague. They also wrote an interesting book on the most popular kinds of painting around the world.
David Soldier received a Ph.D in neuroscience at Columbia and is a composer, arranger, and collaborator.
Don't be fooled by the bland cowboy opening:
"Yo, I'm ropin' up my saddle for the long, long ride"
Best approach: jump around in any order
And then
Out on the plains, just me and my mind
Took me a break to read some Wittgenstein
Born in Vienna in '89
He obsessed with theories of language and time
Like the Tractatus where Ludwig would claim
"The logic of our language is misunderstood"
Philosophy is based on a false pretence
So philosophy itself is nonsense, nonsense!
Philosophy itself is non-sense!
Do all your shopping at Wall Mart
Later still (hey, it's a long song -- 21 minutes)
Two party system!
Struggle!
Gain control of the government!
Executive branch!
Military branch!
Foreign affairs!
Influence policy!
Promote ideology; fascism!
Promote individual interests;
George Stephanopoulous, Imelda Marcos!
Promote special interests;
Sugar, Beef, Bananas, Lumber, Pork bellies, Pork barrels, Coca-Cola!
The information superhighway!
Three thousand years of oppression!
Who enslaved people of color?
Who invaded the Caribbean?
Who murdered all the innocent children?!
You did! You! You! You!
Wow, I definitely like the most unwanted better than the most wanted. But I guess that's how it goes with modern music, the badder you get the gooder the song. I couldn't make it through all of either of them.
Here's the Houston Chamber Choir, outdoors, lip syncing themselves.
As a commie atheist fag, I find choral religious music to be among the loveliest of genres.
As a capitalistic theist Jew straight fucker, I find sitting in the pews of empty churches, especially small quaint ones, among the most peaceful places to sit.
As a lilly-livered liberal, unitarianish, cis-heteronormative, patriarchal dude I agree. I find it more moving when the singers are in a formal chorus than I do in this informal setting. Then again, I can just close my eyes.
Shit, @Hanover beat me to it.
It's what he does.
Isn't it remarkable how one gender who resents or rejects the state of society and the resulting "average person" of whichever gender (typically the lesser, subjected one) is now deemed "unfit to reproduce" aka "a homosexual". Or to believe in an idea of a god that could not be farther from anything now or ever divine and is merely a racial proxy for race war as an "atheist". Economic systems are one thing, it's far from unreasonable to think another person who perceptibly threatens one's way of life (has the ability to render their entire life choices and work as meaningless) as negative.
But the counterargument is, yes if there is indeed a problem with society, reaching to the opposite gender required to reproduce and continue life itself, if you know this, yet do nothing to fix it and prefer to say get your "love" from the same gender again (and this is the most important part) recognizing there is a problem and doing nothing, should, for the sake of continuity of an intelligent, productive, human race, you be called an otherwise meaningless three letter word? I mean, it's like giving up. Isn't it?
Could you perhaps say what you want a bit more directly?
I do resent the way society operates; I'd reject this society if it would then go away, but it won't.
It's getting late, so I won't attempt to explain it all, but the source of my dissatisfaction is a weird mix of Jesus, Karl Marx, and gay liberation. Of the three, the influence of Jesus came first, then gay liberation, then Marx. It's an odd mix, for sure -- not the usual cocktail.
I'm getting old and I don't have the energy to fan the flames of discontent like I did, once upon a time. Then too, there comes a point when one 'settles'. One accepts the way the world is, not because it is so good (it is not) but because the world is so much the way it is. We're stuck with it, as is, for now.
Quoting Outlander
What is important is that love is love. That we love and are loved is the object. The gender of the love object is not important.
To be able to recognize a lie for what it is, no matter how vile, loud, or internalized by violence or orchestrated "misfortune" it is and to help others overcome similar illusion is a magnificent feeling. I only wish the same for others. So long as I breathe, this is what I will do.
It is a very big deal. You can make a rational, intelligent person believe they're a specie of insect with enough shouting and physical violence. Even short of physical violence, implied violence. The brain will internalize this as what it needs to accept and occur to ease the suffering and restore mental homeostasis. It's military psychology and I thought in this day and age it would have long been put to rest.
:gasp:
**Spiro T. Agnew, resigned in his second term as VP after pleading no contest to corruption charges. He also said, "I apologize for lying to you. I promise I won't deceive you except in matters of this sort."
@Baden gets a C-, like always.
You nailed their decade -- Mendocino was written in 1968. I still think they share a certain, hmm, Je ne sais quoi.
Guess the date?
Now I'll check...
I've been listening to a lot of punk lately actually.
[sup]— João Carlos Holland de Barcellos · Jan 27, 2023[/sup]
The publisher seems a bit shady.
At least the article is short.
Perhaps it's a giveaway that the article uses the word "zillion." Everyone knows the correct word is "bazillion."
I always thought it was bajillion. the more you know...
I hope this doesn’t mean you’re abandoning beatnikism.
Gazillion.
It's always downhill until your wheels land in the bay.
And now you're a balloon tied to something sinking as it's carried along by the currents, further and further out to sea.
When you washed up on the shore in China, a child picked up your brain and ran screaming.
I always enjoyed the imagination in literature among the friends in this forum. I don't want to swim so deep in your thoughts on why you wrote that. Nonetheless, I want to highlight two aspects:
How you compared the brain with a balloon (interesting, indeed) and how is pulled along by different factors or scenarios.
On the other hand, may I ask you why did you choose China in your story?
I heard a song a long time ago about a "slow boat to China."
So I looked up the sort of music a beatnik might listen to and it was cool jazz, so combining that with punk, I arrived at jazz punk, which turns out is a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_jazz
A leading band of that genre is:James Chance and the Contortions.
And this is a sample of that, which is all I listen to these days. It is my exclusive jam, and I have this condescending dickish hipster attitude to those who disagree. Sorry daddy-o, it's who I am these days.
:up:
:lol:
Quoting BC
Not my expertise. Ask me about 80s and 90s thrash and death metal, and maybe.
Quoting frank
:up:
This one's for you @BC
Sort of reminds me of this:
Me either. Let us never speak of it again.
Quoting Jamal
Those are metric. Here in the USofA, we still use the inch/pound/bazillion system.
Haha, NO! It’s made with fancy-ass Italian flour. Most folks probably couldn’t tell it’s gluten-free.
Looks tasty! Love salami, I always have some pieces in my kitchen :up:
-- Yoda
This was my experiment with Morrocan food cooked in the tagine. It's mint lamb with couscous.
The bread (khobz) was a highlight.
The top 30 Morrocan hits can be found here for those who understandably would expect such sounds while enjoying their khobz.
In a free market, all current market information is reflected in the price.
In other words, the price of green beans reflects all the related forces in the market, from growing conditions to government subsidies, from the cost of labor to the cost of manufacturing the wheels on the trucks that deliver fertilizer.
If the price is set by collective leadership, their information gathering methods will be blunt compared to a market's precision.
Except that it's not uncommon for entities in a free market society to find themselves able to artificially set prices. The notion that you, the consumer, are financially benefitted by the cost saving potential of the market isn't strictly true.
The second thing I learned is that one of the reasons people hung on every word Trump wrote on Twitter was that he kept swaying the markets all over the place with his psychotic ramblings. Investors paid close attention in order to make a profit off it.
Quoting frank
It's possible though that part of the current market information includes collective leadership. That is, the price of rent is determined by supply and demand, but also by rent controls.
That I think would be the reply to what you're saying: the market does set the price, but the market isn't just consumers moving about freely buying this and rejecting that, but plenty of other controls, including government set that final price.
No, it's that producers gather behind closed doors (or maybe they just text each other) and come up with pricing that suits them. I think that's supposed to be against the law, but it happens.
Any government intervention would be information that shows up in a price that the market generates. I mentioned government subsidies.
They fax each other. That way there's a paper record in case someone acts like they didn't say it and the other guy will be like read it and weep and then they'll have to what the paper says because a deal's a deal.
If you eat enough goldfish crackers, you'll eventually turn into a giant goldfish.
This is the slow boat to China. It's a jazz standard.
The last letter of jews is s and it combines with harp to sound like sharp and I'm really sharp.
Jokes are so much less funny when you have to spell them out.
Looks good. I substituted olives for the chocolate chips and lettuce for the flour, so mine tasted a little more salady, but pretty much the same
The definition of jazz is nonstandard.
This is true. People hate it when that happens,
No. You'll just run out of goldfish crackers. No idea where you got that turn into a goldfish bullshit.
For God's sake, the Shoutbox is for most people their only source of information, could you please try to be accurate?
You are what you eat, though. If you eat enough buffalo wings you turn into a flying buffalo. It just stands to reason.
According to Freakonomics, 93% of recorded musicians (individuals, bands) Never have a hit. 7% do have hits. about 3.5% have only 1 hit. So, 93% never, 3.5% once, at least. Not too shabby.
What about cannibals?
Isn't that part of the reason for cannibalism - to take on the characteristics of the victim?
By @frank’s Logic, if a human eats enough other humans they’ll turn into...a human. Seems like the ideal dietary choice.
You're one of our most knowledgeable members about food. Can you recommend a good cannibal restaurant in NYC?
I was going to respond in a Stefan from SNL bit style, but quickly realized it was going to be way too dark.
She muttered to herself "that bunghole was meant for me!"
Quoting Noble Dust
Just showing you what "way too dark" really means.
Thanks buddy. I use "buddy" as an insult; I still can't tell what it means in New York parlance, but the other day when a customer at my job kept calling me buddy, I repeatedly reciprocated the moniker. He seemed confused and frazzled by the time he left, so I take it to be a back-handed insult in this neck of the woods.
The only genuinely dark part of this post is the word "sammich."
It's a little fat, but mostly happy.
Good one :up:
https://dribbble.com/tags/racist_pigs
Also, the latest news is that your Black pig has had a litter
https://www.virginwines.co.uk/wine/Z36659102291/16-Little-Black-Pigs-Shiraz
The wine may be virgin, but probably not the pig.
It's all true!
I need a vacation with a Bahama pig.
If you look at the large number of humans in the environment, this indicates that cannibalism is much more prevalent than most people realize. :grimace:
For the same reasons you don't allow babies in the pool without swim diapers, you don't allow pigs in there.
Feces requires the entire pool be shut down and that it be chemically shocked. Vomit, on the other hand, can be removed by vacuum, being careful to remove each piece the best you can. I know this, having once been active in my neighborhood and responsible for the community pool, among other things.
I no longer have a community pool, but have my own, and the goats have yet to go for a swim, although sometimes I must yell at Tater not to drink from the pool because it's saltwater, and that's not good for goats.
That's a reference to a Pink Floyd song!! Two of them actually. :cheer:
Maybe you don't like sci-fi. Fine if you don't. But this is the only incidence in contemporary sci-fi where intelligent pigs appear, as far as I know. However, I haven't been conjoined with elaborate brain implants, so my access to all sci-fi titles, plots, and characters is extremely limited.
If you eat a human brain infected with the kuru prions (a neurological disease sort of like bovine spongiform encephalopathy--mad cow disease) you will take on the same characteristics -- insanity.
That happened to me a couple of times, but I had the anti-venom, which was to do a keg stand while having sex with a virgin. The second time, I did the head stand, but the virgin was some computer geek guy who wasn't my type, so I went with the insanity.
This is one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs. When I was suffering from bovine spongiform encephalopathy from eating bad cow, just before standing on my head and trying to suck down beer (Miller Lite), just as the computer guy was preparing himself for the onslaught that I ultimately resisted, I listened to this.
It brings back those memories of my youth, when I lived life as Hemmingway couldn't even have imagined.
That is a great, great song, not known to many casual fans. A hidden gem of sort, beautiful lyrics. :up:
My favorite obscure Floyd record is probably More.
Homemade jerk rub?
Haha. :nerd:
It came in a jar.
Honestly wasn't trying to be a food snob. There's a Caribbean restaurant around the corner from my place that makes the worst jerk chicken I've ever had, so I trust that jarred jerk seasoning is better.
You don't have to try ND :wink:
I've never had jerk chicken and I don't know what it is. Hanover's looks like he's dropped it in his muddy paddock.
True....
Quoting Jamal
:gasp: A truly unique flavor from Jamaica involving Scotch Bonnet peppers and allspice. A must try dish, to me.
Jerking is a way of slow cooking for the purpose of preserving, like smoking. The commercial form is jerky, a prepackaged snack available in every retail outlet in North America. Hardware store, gas station, clothing store, grocery store, whatever, grab a snack. One never knows exactly what's in the package though, so some restrictions have been placed on the industry to prevent the spread of CJD prions, ever since mad-cow became a problem. The business of "rendering" has a long, sordid history. All those jokes about roadkill start from somewhere.
In Scotland it's referred to as melancholy bog chicken, where a young hen is submerged and suffocated in the bog and left to ferment a fortnight and then it is eaten immediately as one pensively overlooks the foggy hills and thinks to oneself "where did I go wrong?"
There's a difference between Jamaican jerk chicken and chicken (or beef or any type of meat) jerky. Jamaican jerk is a particular blend of spices where the meat is either slow cooked or grilled. Jerky is a process where the meat is slowly dried out and salted or has nitrates added and it creates a dehydrated and chewy preserved piece of meat that you can buy at convenience stores, although some people actually make homemade jerky.
Jerky can be spiced as well, so you could have jerk flavored jerky, but the two are different things.
I've never made a homemade rub, as I've seen some that require so many types of spices that you'd have to buy them all and then just use a small portion from each.
In grocery stores near me, they sell the seasonings in jars and there's a large variety, but maybe it's more popular where I live, being a bit closer to Jamaica than others.
I remember Julia Child. She's the source of one of my favorite non-stadard plural rules joke. If Mr. and Mrs. Child were coming over for dinner, I wouldn't say "the Childs are coming over." I'd say "the Children are coming over."
Not many chances for that joke, so I thought I'd better use it.
• Scientists Are Reincarnating the Woolly Mammoth to Return in 4 Years
• Woolly Mammoth De-extinction Project & Process
What's with all the "Lite" beer in the US anyways?
Do they also have "Miller Strong"?
Light beer allows you to lose weight with every sip. Most people become emaciated after 5 or six beers
.
Only as a collab. deal apparently.
I like beer, but, sad to say, as I've gotten older it does a number on my stomach. Lite beer doesn't. Mostly I drink wine, but certain things call for beer, e.g. Chinese food in a bar.
The important thing is that you were able to remember it after all these years. Now that you have used it, you can free up that brain slot for something better.
Haruki Murakami to publish first new novel in six years
[i]In a brief statement in Japanese, publisher Shinchosha said the new work would be published on Apr 13, but gave neither its title nor details of the plot.
The title will be 1,200 Japanese manuscript pages long, but the exact number of book pages that will amount to was also not yet confirmed, the publisher added.[/i]
Fantastic! I really do hope he goes back to his more magical aspects found in Kakfa on the Shore and Dance Dance Dance.
I have his latest book Killing Commendatore, but have not been motivated to read, because of mixed reviews. Also, the topic of that book sounds a bit boring.
Hopefully this one is better. :cheer:
I wish I can motivate you because I had read Killing Commendatore the last December and I fully recommend the book. Despite that the topic of the book can seem to be boring, it catches the reader as only a few talented writers as Murakami can do.
In the other hand, Killing Commendatore is full of magical aspects: a character who is created by an idea of painting and a metaphysical world called "the country of metaphors"
I do respect that difference. I think I was portraying jerky as a cheap imitation. I don't think the similarity in terms is a coincidence. But even homemade jerky cannot obtain the status of Jamaican jerk, because the difference in preparation technique. One is made to be served fresh, the other made to be preserved. And we can apply the universal principle, fresh is better.
Yeah...were you basing your jerk/y assertions on anything substantive or just your own imagination?
[sup]— Sprouts · Oct 15, 2021 · 5m:58s[/sup]
Did I convince or scared you? :eyes:
Ok, I approve, but only if you use chopsticks to eat the cuttlefish :yum:
I believe it's a matter of cultural appropriation, which is not inherently bad mind you, if it's done with respect. Adopting aspects of each other's culture allows for peaceful coexistence and a way toward a form of assimilation which is not one-sided or forced.
Without the proper respect though, cultural appropriation is an affront. I've eaten enough jerky to form the opinion that it's garbage. So borrowing the word "jerk" is an affront, like when another person creates a good product, names that product, and someone else produces crap and sells it under the same name.
So your own imagination?
Some quick googling shows jerk cooking to have probably originated from the indigenous Taino of Jamaica. Jerky is made in a completely different manner, and the only suggestion I found that there's any relation is on the jerk wiki:
There's also Malaysian jerky, which is apparently Chinese Bak Kwa. There's also Biltong, South African jerky. And you of course have all manner of salt cured Italians meats. Salt curing to preserve meat pre dates refrigeration, as does Jamaican jerk cooking, but it's obviously not a form of salt curing, it's a form of cooking. Sure, there's tons of cultural appropriation going on in many directions here. Food history is complex. Anyways.
Hmm, "became the word jerky in English". Seems to support my "own imagination". I guess that means my imagination is a good reliable one.
Quoting Noble Dust
See what you want to see, MU. :razz:
Different preparation process. The result: an inferior product with the same name.
I can go online, and buy myself a "voodoo doll", stick pins in it and claim to be punishing my neighbour. I'm not practising the religion of "voodoo", and if I use that word to describe what I am doing, it's an insult to others. That's called ridicule. It's common for atheists to ridicule the religious in ways like this. Consider Pastafarianism as an example of a more blatant form.
The problem was it felt like I had interrupted someone's family on a school night. It was authentic, but it went out of businss eventually.
Their sauces were homemade, not from a jar like mine, but sometimes I remember the time when you pointed that out, and I relive that embarrassment. I'm not sure why you did that and I feel weird eating Jamaican food now, which is a shame because it was one of my true pleasures.
As it happens, you were interrupting this poor family's evening routine. I checked this out with our social workers in Atlanta and they discovered that--while you were always a welcome if strangely mysterious guest--you had mistaken the family's home for their jerkshop across the street. The family moved to New York City where urban sophisticate @Noble Dust encountered them. No doubt @Metaphysician Undercover will criticize you for colonizing this immigrant home, never mind cultural appropriation.
We have very few Jamaicans in Minnesota, so jerked tunafish hot dish is not a problem.
:lol: site some actual evidence that jerky is an appropriation of Jamaican jerk cooking and I'll listen to what you're saying. Good lord man, it's the shoutbox. I've never met someone who can suck the fun out of it so swiftly. Moving on.
That sounds like every Jamaican restaurant I've been in, including the one around the corner from my place. I still can't figure out when they're open, or if they even are anymore. You do tend to feel out of place, but when eating another culture's food, I've learned that any awkwardness you feel is canceled out by the fact you're paying for their food, and giving them an implicit compliment when you come back again the next week.
Quoting Hanover
I'm learning from MU how to suck the fun out of things.
Quoting BC
Maybe it's the family that may or may not still be running the spot around the corner from me. I'll go ask; be right back.
When you learn to suck on it just hard enough, you'll know it, because it will feel just right. And it will actually be fun. The Goldilocks principle.
Did you make that sauce and then put it in an empty store bought jar?