universeness

Boo to you too with some added woo woo woo sounds for added effect. I see your little chuckle and I raise you, with a loud three second bout of hardy ...

No, I am confirming we can do sooooooo much better. Time to dump the platonic waste and recover from the fallout. The effects must be starting to wear...

If our current western cultures are based on such, and our current western cultures are so close to vanishing up their own arsehole, why should we not...

Sounds interesting Tom but I honestly think I would rather go with the musings of Roddenberry than any of the Greeks.

So give me your best 'Plato' that would best express to me, why YOU think, his musings should be used in any way, shape or form as an influence on 'ma...

I used evil as an example of that which has long endured and must be taken very seriously but yet should never be used as a foundation on which to bas...

:roll: When did I suggest that I did not take Plato's musings seriously? Evil endures, I take evil seriously but I don't value it as the main guide to...

But my complaint was not about learned philosophers debating and fine tuning ideas with other learned philosophers or even their discussions with the ...

I think they are both equally true.

For me, that would indicate that he merely needs a refresh. My quals and career was in Computing science but it's been a while since I taught the deta...

Does it help if I reword to: "I don't see why the endurance of bad ideas should ever be a reason to keep using them as a bad foundation on which to ba...

For me, this is crucial Tom. In the scenarios you offered, the brain and dental surgeon are the elites, you are the one in need. You need their care a...

:lol: You rang M'Lord? The story/words of gods have been read for a lot longer than the words of Plato. I don't see why the duration of bad ideas shou...

No worries Agreed. Well I certainly do think that In general terms, if philosophy and philosophers ever try to impose barriers based on some elitist s...

That's an old debate but a good one. I think Peterson has been running scared from Dillahunty ever since. But I am sure Peterson would not agree with ...

I don't need to feel I am correct, anymore than you do. I certainly seek to be as correct as I can be. We can all err, including you. Such observation...

That's ok mate! As an anti-platonist and someone who knows a lot more about philosophy than I do, I accept your insistence that I am making ignorant s...

Why am I not surprised that you would disguise your identity even more that the anonymity, TPF already gives you? I think every scientist, currently o...

I have a great deal of confidence in my fellow humans. We are capable of soooooooo much more than anything born of your sanctimonious valuation of 'fa...

Right back at you pal!

Well, I do hate fascists, bigots, the nefarious rich etc. When I explain why, then I am sure that any supporters they have, will accuse me of making a...

Enjoy your feast son, not so sure it is nourishing you, your typings do not suggest to me that you are so well nourished. But this tennis style back a...

:lol: Have you also read every book Jesus wrote? or how about all the ones Hanover has written? How about all the books Socrates wrote?, I could conti...

Ok ......... mate. :roll:

Sure, but you would first need to stop trying to kiss your own arsehole. I will answer any question you want to ask me.

Sure, I broadly agree. Have you never read any of my declarations that I am a democratic socialist and a secular humanist etc?

I don't understand your angle of approach here. I repeat my opinion that Matt Dillahunty's work on trying to combat pernicious theism is more importan...

I have always tried to be as honest as I can be with TPF members, including yourself. Sometimes I think you are a very fair and well balanced individu...

Language is normally influenced by whichever mob has invaded/settled a land mass, in all of history. If all human ancestors came from Africa then some...

As I typed to @"ucarr", I like this thread as it obtains deeper clarification from folks, as to their position on the notion of fundamentals. My quest...

No problem and thank you. I would like to pursue this a little more and press you on your thoughts on trying to take human thought down to some notion...

A description such as: Scientism is the opinion that science and the scientific method are the best or only way to render truth about the world and re...

I remain conflicted regarding this. I would feel really bad if I took away or really compromised the main support someone has in their life, that has ...

:lol: Not sure if I've just been complimented or insulted. I kinda like it that way. I like this thread, as I think it pushes folks to dig deep, to tr...

I would be interested in your response, if I respectfully compared the story of your friend to the well known 'Stockholm syndrome.' Would you find tha...

With @"ucarr"'s indulgence and as a retired teacher of Computing Science, I would assume that ucarr is referring to quantum computings use of the very...

I love that statement, it's so ........ exciting, when thoughts of "well what can I do with my life, what 'meaning' or 'significance,' can I nurture a...

On the topic of values, yes, we have common ground, but on very little else during our current exchange. To me, you predominantly remain as you label ...

I want to help to do what I can to tip the balance against all theism/theosophism/big capitalism/fascism/plutocratic control/celebrity cults etc. Many...

This is a fun rendering: https://youtu.be/3iw73YTyjWQ or this one: https://youtu.be/Z3rR2CjJkHQ

You mean like these mere opinions (subjective measures) that you offer.

Some highlights: One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Qur...

If you wanna get Panto, then oh no i'm not, but you are! A subjective measure is, for example, a personal assessment of that which is claimed as true ...

I suspect the gospel of Thomas never made the cut as Jesus is presented as a very nasty youth indeed.

A good way of putting it. As you also suggest with 'back attributed,' it is also quite likely that what made the final cut was the attributes and scen...

Sure, value is a subjective measure but as a democratic socialist, concordant values are paramount in influencing and deciding the direction a particu...

philosophy /f??l?s?fi/ noun noun: philosophy 1. The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered a...

Did you even read what I posted? I will let you keep learning from the ancient musings of such as Plato. I find the musings of such as Carl Sagan or e...

Talking bears are like the talking snake (or malformed Lilith) from the Eden fable. Just made up shit. From :Archetypes in fantasy fiction: In Rivende...

:cool: Do you associate 'dark' chocolate with the Christian devil/satan? Do you think Jesus would only have ever chosen to eat white chocolate? :joke:...