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I joined. Let's continue, though indeed the discussion is getting long in the tooth.

You keep reverting to talk of intentional target. But we previously agreed that intentional target has little place in the discussion. If when reading...

I see why @"Michael" was talking about the "multi-user VR goggles" case. It seems like your view precludes acknowledging the clear representationalism...

But isn't "real life" just another venue for interpretation, of a presentation which is far from a transparent projection of a "true self"? Do we real...

This sounds like a game where I come up with some awkward formulation that is supposedly free of subjectivity, and you point out that this and that el...

You still haven't explained why " object of perception" is necessary. Why doesn't, for instance "perceptual intermediary" suffice? If it is establishe...

You know my answer is experience itself. Your account seems to hinge on what appears to be a very thin distinction: the experience itself is not an "o...

Symbols are intrinsically intentional. Models are intrinsically intentional. That evolution should arrive at advanced nervous systems demonstrating bo...

No. If the world were unintelligable, it is hard to understand how it could support something as complex as life. If the world is intelligable, it is ...

No. This follows from my premise, that the nature of the right is a political orientation towards elite interests. You may think that is bias. I think...

So you have dropped intentionality as a criterion, and are back to what I was advocating for when I suggested a photograph as a model for the IR claim...

This then is the core disagreement. I believe your usage diverges totally from the larger debate. So yes, I'm in full agreement that, by your usage, p...

We know the world as perceived and conceived is a synthesis of objective and subjective, even though it presents phenomenologically as something unita...

I feel like here, and throughout the site really, you are wont to derive marquee headlines from fairly prosaic conclusions. Of course, we have identif...

Type conflict and type coercion: I think I am applying the same standard to all three operations: interpretation, memory, and perception. All three ar...

The problem is I agree with this. Qualia are modes of disclosure, and (in perception) exist in virtue of a relationship between observer and observed....

It's both indeterminate and determinate, depending on context. But it prefers indeterminacy, hence 'lazy '.

"Again, time has not been on Einstein's side in this regard, the so-called 'anti-realist' interpretations of physics seem to hold sway nowadays." I do...

Neat move. But I think the problem is that you are blurring constitutive and meditative relationships. Batter and frosting is what my cake consists of...

Even handedness is not a strength of a model that is supposed to be rooted in fact. I was asking for a right wing party or government that is oriented...

I can't come up with any counterexamples.

This is not quite the lens through which I view the present administration.

I think you completely misread the meaning of left and right. It has next to nothing to do with loving the past or the present. Nor is the meaning of ...

Agreement I apologize I misrepresented you, though I think you will see the ambiguity of you go back over what you wrote. So we agree that the percept...

The error dyad and perception We've been talking about various kinds of cognition. What are the two poles of the dyad, with cognition? I think they ar...

Interpretation and error You are missing the dyadic structure of error. For there to be error, there must be at minimum that which is wrong, and a sta...

The analogy is clarifying. All this processing does something, it produces something: an intermediary meaning, though "object" is problematic. This in...

But look what counterfeits reveal: money cannot just be physical form, physical form can remain exactly constant, while moneyness is present or absent...

Interesting point of contention. This is not a neutral starting point, it is a conclusion. That phenomenology should mislead in general should not be ...

But this argument does not survive any casual intermediary at all, since everything casual takes some amount of time. For IR to be substantive I think...

I was pointing out that the method of consumption of real and faux meat is also the same. That indistinguishability is not there yet, but close. The m...

But this just sounds like the standard IR picture: we experience sensations (i), on the basis of these we perform cognitive operations (ii) to arrive ...

BMOs are not objects in the everyday sense, so I don't think objecthood is the appropriate condition. Rather, I think the question is whether the BMO ...

If the object perceived is not the distal object, and it is not an inner intermediary, then what is it?

Method of production maybe, but consumption? While the technique might be similar in digital vs. Analog painting, the medium of the product couldn't b...

A painting is an institutional degree?? Under the second definition, iconic caution signage on the freeway would be a painting.

Except they are seen. Not in the sense of perceiving a distal object, but in the subjective sense. An example of the "casual implementation of intenti...

But phenomenal character is not the right intermediary. Your key argument has been that phenomenal character as-such is insufficiently object like to ...

The fundamental difference seems to be how to schematically model perception. You (from my perspective) strip the mental object of its object like cha...

This doesn't seem right. A naturalist isn't restricted to casual explanations only. So long as any contextual, interpretive explanation can ultimately...

What is this supplementary "aboutness" which supposedly demands explanation? For a perception to be correlated to stimulli in a way that happens to be...

What you are directed at is phenomenal experience unfolding in time. The rhythm, pitch, and structure are features of the phenomena, not a distal obje...

When I listen to music, I'm not in any way directed at a distal object, which I then bracket or background. The phenomenal music itself is the "object...

How does meditation and music presuppose this? When I listen to music, or meditate, I lose awareness of the object, and focus on the phenomenology. Th...

When we hear environmental sounds we have an impicit, hard-wired understanding that these sounds represent something. Our interest as organisms is in ...

You are conflating "self standing object" with "self standing object of perception". The chiming is the latter but not the former. Chiming indicates s...

Can you "directly perceive" D without knowing you perceive D at all? This seems to strain any notion of directness. The observer knows they perceive C...

For sure. Couldn't it just be that we tend to favor one perspective over the other in our daily lives? That one of them is viscerally lived, while the...

Sorry, away for a few days. What stands out about this (excellent) breakdown is that neither interpretation is obviously wrong or incoherent. Now, I'm...

Lets examine the case of ambiguous sensory input. You are in a friend's apartment while she is away. You hear wind chimes. You are puzzled, the apartm...