I poured out the sauce that was in the jar, so I could make new sauce and put it in the now empty jar. That seemed the simplest way to approach things.
Phones are horrible, horrible things. Beeping, buzzing gremlins constantly needing to be fed attention and tying us inextricably to their empty electronic souls. I wish I could smash every phone in the world into tiny pieces, gather up the debris and scrawl "Free at last! Free at last!" across the moon with it.
Reply to Noble Dust I'm surprised somebody hadn't stolen it by the short time it took you to get downstairs to claim it. God is real and being an equal opportunity deity, he doesn't stand in the way of atheistic thieves working the streets.
I poured out the sauce that was in the jar, so I could make new sauce and put it in the now empty jar. That seemed the simplest way to approach things.
As long as Hanover knows you make your own jerk sauce, it works for me.
Normally, I would post this in the Feature Requests thread, but I decided these suggestions are important enough that they should be posted in the Shoutbox, where they will be given, as all posts here are, a respectful reading, as long as they don't involve jerk-related cuisine.
My proposals for new forum features:
Replace moderators with ChatGPT.
Provide a feature that will correct words such as "colour," "metre," and "humour" to their proper spelling when read by members in the United States.
Related to that, require all posts using measurements in metre/newton/gazillion units also include those same measurements in foot/pound/bazillion units.
Place all forum banning decisions under the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice at the Hague.
Make Donald Trump Jr. a moderator.
javi2541997February 03, 2023 at 05:27#7783200 likes
Provide a feature that will correct words such as "colour," "metre," and "humour" to their proper spelling when read by members in the United States.
This feature is interesting because when I type "color" in my keyboard it changes the word to "colour" (like I have to "proofread" my spelling)
I am aware that there is a debate on how to spell colour/color and is one of the most thrilling aspects of English language.
I am so American, I don't even know what colour means, but I have to look it up in a dictionary each time. You might as well be speaking Australian or something.
When I take a few moments out of my day for wondering, I use them to wonder if this website seems noticeably less American to Americans than was the old forum, which had more American moderators, and an American owner. As a sensitive and empathetic person I worry that the notably parochial Americans will feel lost on such an unbounded and eclectic international platform.
Provide a feature that will correct words such as "colour," "metre," and "humour" to their proper spelling when read by members in the United States.
Don't you mean "...when red by members..."? If the past participle of lead is spelled as "led", then the past participle of read ought to be spelled as "red". But then why is the metallic element spelled "lead" instead of "led"? Shouldn't we also be spelling the colo[u]r red as "read"?
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 03, 2023 at 11:40#7783650 likes
Hey that's cool. I wrote colo(u)r using the correct form of brackets, and it underlined instead.
Nothing about that bothers me. I hope to see more actual philosophers speaking up more (the ones with actual degrees).
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 03, 2023 at 12:29#7783770 likes
I've decided on a new policy. I'm going to use "colour" when the op uses "colour", and "color" when the op uses "color". This way no one will ever misunderstand me.
I'm not sure that would make it more likely we'd get more academically trained philosophers. It's certain we'd get a bigger problem with quality, and hundreds more spam accounts.
I currently receive two or three or four requests for invitations each week. A recent one came from someone who had "studied under Searle and Grice", but they turned out to be incredibly obnoxious and got banned.
I'm not sure that would make it more likely we'd get more academically trained philosophers.
Is that something that you are interested in doing? I don't have the time to reach out to Guest Speakers; but, it may be of interest to you or others as a way of getting some quality material...
Reply to Shawn I’d like to see more members trained in philosophy but the Guest Speaker thing is hit and miss, mostly miss as far as I can recall. I’m certainly happy for people to reach out to pro philosophers if they want.
I am aware that there is a debate on how to spell colour/color and is one of the most thrilling aspects of English language.
Thanks for the thumbs up. There isn't any controversy. It is well known that people in the UK and their colonies spell certain words wrong. [lie] It is a little known fact that King Henry VIII changed the spelling of these words in the 1530s at the same time he kicked out the Catholics. In US history classes, it is taught that the people who came to the English colonies in the New World came for religious freedom. In reality, most came for linguistic freedom to speak and write the English language correctly. [/lie]
As a sensitive and empathetic person I worry that the notably parochial Americans will feel lost on such an unbounded and eclectic international platform.
I am a proud member of The Philosophy Forum. I stand by the principle that bad philosophy recognizes no national borders.
Don't you mean "...when red by members..."? If the past participle of lead is spelled as "led", then the past participle of read ought to be spelled as "red". But then why is the metallic element spelled "lead" instead of "led"? Shouldn't we also be spelling the color red as "read"?
Hey, don't complain to me. Talk to Henry VIII. (See my previous post.) Something else beyond Harry and slavery you can blame on the monarchy.
I am aware that there is a debate on how to spell colour/color and is one of the most thrilling aspects of English language.
The irregular spelling of English preserves some of the thrilling history of the language, just as the totally stupid spelling system of French preserves the tortured history of that language.
Three things influenced the way English spelling works.
1. England, small island that it was/is, had numerous dialects employing different spelling systems.
2. When printing began in England (after Gutenberg, 1450) printers committed to paper local spelling systems, which contributed to the irregular spelling system.
3. English dictionaries didn't exist at the time.
Another factor is that the language of the Anglo-Saxons (who ran England between the Romans and William the Bastard, 1066) was mixed in with the Old Norse of the Vikings (Danes), the Frisian of the Lowlands across the channel, Norman French, a little Celtic, and more--all before any efforts were made to compose dictionaries (1755, Samuel Johnson) which helped standardize the language.
Another factor in English is that, during the 16th/17th centuries, writers like Shakespeare or Milton were creating many new English words based on Latin (and sometimes Greek) roots.
Finally, there is the business of the Americans leaving the Empire in 1776, and how that affected spelling (color vs. colour, etc.)
There's more, but that's enough (enuf) for now.
javi2541997February 03, 2023 at 19:31#7784420 likes
In Hispanic world we also have divergences related to spelling or grammar. It is the cause of the beauty of the language! Among all Spanish countries we can highlight the following differences:
1. In Spain we pronounce so drastically the letters Z and C, while in South America and Mexico they pronounce them as S. Even they make fun of us because we speak "rude" according to them
2. In Uruguay and Argentina they use "vos" instead of "tú" (you). It is interesting because the noun "vos" comes from the empire era and they still conserve the word.
3. Mexicans tend to speak with a lot of diminutive words such as ahorita, prontito, mijo, etc... we don't use those words in Spain!
Another factor is the heavy regionalism in Spain. If you go to Valencia they would use the Spanish mixed with Valencian words. The same goes for Basque, Catalan etc...
By the way, the last year, a Catalan separatist proposed to Netflix manager to dub squid game in Catalan because he didn't like it in Spanish and many VOX folks got mad with such proposal :rofl:
Reply to javi2541997 Thanks for that, Javi. The Spanish I hear most often is that of recent arrivals (frequently undocumented) from Mexico and Central America, more often than not (it seems) working class. Working class Spanish often has a roughness analogous to working class English -- probably working class any-language.
I should have paid more attention to aprendiendo a hablar Español when I was younger. I took it in high school, but that was before I got serious about anything. Bi-lingual ability would have been beneficial in several jobs, and it is the dominant language in this hemisphere. There is a substantial broadcasting presence in the US, too -- not so much in some parts of the country, but certainly on the west coast and the SW part of the country (which we swiped from Mexico), and the northeast metro regions.
When I was in college, my advisor dismissed Spanish as a trivial language! "After El Cid, what is there?" she said, sneeringly. (That was back in 1964. Have we gotten less parochial since then?) I hope so.
javi2541997February 03, 2023 at 20:45#7784490 likes
When I was in college, my advisor dismissed Spanish as a trivial language! "After El Cid, what is there?" she said, sneeringly. (That was back in 1964. Have we gotten less parochial since then?) I hope so.
I understand the words of your advisor and despite the fact he shouldn't act sneeringly, it is true that Spanish doesn't have the same importance as English, Chinese, Japanese in a labour/professional opportunities. Most of the people who study Spanish they just do it for vocation and we respect so heartly all of those who take the effort to speak Spanish here.
If one day you go to Spain for vacation, don't be shy of speaking a poor Spanish, we will respect you anyway.
On closer inspection of the dusty sub-basement archived memory banks, I now remember it was "After Don Quixote" what is there?" By the way, it seems like ¡! + ¿? at the beginning and end of strong statements or questions would be useful in English, especially in long sentences where one doesn't know what kind of sentence it is until the end.
Why do you think it was that Spain did not develop a larger body of world-class literature than it did? ¿In the 15th century, maybe England was a more prosperous society with a growing class of people who could consume literature? Was it the early founding of universities (Cambridge, Oxford)? Was it the peculiar history of the language and the influence of the French (perish the thought)?
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 04, 2023 at 00:53#7784700 likes
The irregular spelling of English preserves some of the thrilling history of the language, just as the totally stupid spelling system of French preserves the tortured history of that language.
But the French speakers, at least in Québec, pass laws in a further (vain) attempt to preserve that tortured history. Consequently, you can't buy a hot dog in Montreal, it'll be a steamé, or a toasté. It used to be that you could buy un hot dog, but the French language preservationist laws insisted that it be advertised as un chien chaud. That didn't seem to go too well so now there's a choice, steamed or toasted, depending on which of the two expert preparation techniques you prefer. I like my dogs boiled until they swell and split, so I think they should offer a boilé.
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover Does steamé refer to the heating of the bun or the wiener (I suppose they didn't want to use the German word)? Toasted bun? Yes, some deviants do that. "Grilled" I would think instead of "toasté". But 'toasté' and 'Gril' are at least French words. Steam is from Anglo-Saxon.
The Quebecois Police Langue need closer supervision by sensible people.
L'éléphantFebruary 04, 2023 at 02:50#7784890 likes
Why do you think it was that Spain did not develop a larger body of world-class literature than it did? ¿In the 15th century, maybe England was a more prosperous society with a growing class of people who could consume literature?
Despite 16th and 17th centuries was one of the best time lapses for Spanish literature and culture, our society never made a big effort in terms of culture as Englad did. Instead of making Spanish a language of theatre and novels, it was used by landlords, bourgeois and the clergy. The popular classes had no access and the books were only written by intellectuals, who used their works to attack the powerful classes.
If you read one book lf that period of time such Don Quijote and El Buscón, you will see the same pattern: Picaresque and social critique.
Why do you think it was that Spain did not develop a larger body of world-class literature than it did?
Perhaps your advisor was speaking before Spanish-language literature became world famous, notably for magic realism. But between Don Quixote and the second half of the twentieth century, there isn’t much that I’m aware of. I suppose that’s a combination of my ignorance and where I’m from, and an actual lack of literary production in Spanish compared to English, French, and Russian, over that period.
But it only takes one great literary work in Spanish to refute your advisor’s claim that Spanish is a trivial language. To go from a relatively small number of great works to an intrinsic deficiency in the language is a suspect logic.
Does steamé refer to the heating of the bun or the wiener (I suppose they didn't want to use the German word)? Toasted bun? Yes, some deviants do that. "Grilled" I would think instead of "toasté". But 'toasté' and 'Gril' are at least French words. Steam is from Anglo-Saxon.
If you go to the convenience store and buy a roller dog, it'll come with a steamed drawer bun.
I like the dogs that have rolled the longest. They're sort of like jerky dogs.
They go good with a bag of chips and Gatorade. I'd recommend blue flavor and maybe treat yourself to a dessert of Snickers. Why not? You deserve it!
I like Germanic sausages, white bread, onions, and mustard, and they all seem like natural partners—but I’ve never had a satisfying hot dog. What’s that about?
Reply to Jamal Pumpernickel is better than white, or pseudo-pumpernickel which I think is just swirled rye. You don't see real pumpernickel here, but I know such things being a bread guy.
Hot dogs are cheap fast food that you can make quick or carry around at a ball game or a backyard cookout where I'll make small talk and act like you're fascinating.
What I really enjoy is a thick dripping German sausage tightly in the bun. But who doesn't?
Being a bread guy, I was thinking of making some real Pumpernickel, but the ingredients are hard to find, but being a bread guy I might be able to find some.
I like pastrami on rye, which is much better than the goyishe whitebread variety.
Reply to Hanover 100% real authentic pumpernickel as far as I know. I doubt it was American. In Europe, American food items other than M&Ms, Pringles, and French’s mustard are found only in the darkest corners of speciality Mexican shops in the darkest corners of the big cities.
Pastrami on rye is great, some would say even better than pickled herring on rye. But rye bread of various kinds is hard to avoid in Russia and I need a change. Even their favourite fizzy soft drink, kvass, is made from rye bread.
I have this recurring dream where I’m looking for a small Italian pizza place in Boston. I never find it but I know the menu: pizza by the slice, calzone, homemade bread, pastries.
Anyway, I realized today that it’s an amalgam of two small North End shops: Galleria Umbertos and Parziales. Anyone been to either? Fantastic.
Thought about reading We Had to Remove This Post by Hanna Bervoets, published last year.
Examining the toxic world of content moderation, the novel forces us to ask: what is right? What is real? What is normal? And who gets to decide?
It’s gruelling work. Kayleigh and her colleagues spend all day watching horrors and hate on their screens … Yet Kayleigh is good at her job, and in her colleagues she finds a group of friends, even a new girlfriend — and for the first time in her life, Kayleigh’s future seems bright.
But soon the job seems to change them all, shifting their worlds in alarming ways. How long before the moderators’ own morals bend and flex under the weight of what they see?
Maybe too close to home, except the bit about finding a new girlfriend among the moderators.
Pumpernickel, German sausage, hot dogs, Pastrami on Rye, these are all things I love to see discussed. A deep cut at Jewish delis here is Pastrami smoked salmon.
Truth be told it’s not really sandwiches. Just pile the herring on top of some kind of dark rye bread—I like it toasted but sometimes it’s fried in garlic—with sour cream and slices of onion, served with potatoes.
Noble DustFebruary 04, 2023 at 17:18#7786460 likes
By the way, as to hot dogs, I'm not sure what the experience would be like to a foreigner, but to @Hanover's point, the ideal way to enjoy one is arguably in the nose bleeds of a Major League Baseball stadium in the blazing heat, at risk of getting heat stroke, but tempering it all with a 24oz of some shitty beer such as Modelo Especial. Keep the beers flowing and the hot dogs will keep flowing too.
By the way, as to hot dogs, I'm not sure what the experience would be like to a foreigner, but to Hanover's point, the ideal way to enjoy one is arguably in the nose bleeds of a Major League Baseball stadium in the blazing heat, at risk of getting heat stroke, but tempering it all with a 24oz of some shitty beer such as Modelo Especial. Keep the beers flowing and the hot dogs will keep flowing too.
If you drink enough beer, the quality of the hot dogs doesn't matter. If you eat enough hot dogs, the quality of the beer doesn't matter.
Since we're talking hot dogs - Maple Leafs when I eat them on buns. Love the crunch of the casing. Hebrew Nationals for beans and franks. Denser and meatier.
100% real authentic pumpernickel as far as I know. I doubt it was American. In Europe, American food items other than M&Ms, Pringles, and French’s mustard are found only in the darkest corners of speciality Mexican shops in the darkest corners of the big cities.
Is your reference to the darkest corners a slight on American products or are you guys just in need of light bulbs? If the latter, I can send you some. If the former, come at me bruh.
Since we're talking hot dogs - Maple Leafs when I eat them on buns. Love the crunch of the casing. Hebrew Nationals for beans and franks. Denser and meatier.
When in NYC, I like to go to the Sabrett's hotdog stand and order a bowl of month old hot dog broth. The taste of old dogs, the aluminum liner, and the vendor's hands is perfection. I typically finish it off with a pack of Winston's menthols that I pinch the filters off of.
Reply to Noble Dust What I like about watching a baseball game is that you have to keep looking at the scoreboard to remember the score and who's playing.
Is your reference to the darkest corners a slight on American products or are you guys just in need of light bulbs? If the latter, I can send you some. If the former, come at me bruh.
Neither. It’s a sad fact that trade in American goods is an illicit underground activity carried out in dark corners where shady individuals deal out Reese’s peanut butter cups and Yankee candles for outrageously inflated prices.
By the way, as to hot dogs, I'm not sure what the experience would be like to a foreigner, but to Hanover's point, the ideal way to enjoy one is arguably in the nose bleeds of a Major League Baseball stadium in the blazing heat, at risk of getting heat stroke, but tempering it all with a 24oz of some shitty beer such as Modelo Especial. Keep the beers flowing and the hot dogs will keep flowing too.
Hm, must be a cultural thing. The traditional fare at British football matches is a meat pie and a mug of beef tea.
Noble DustFebruary 04, 2023 at 17:51#7786600 likes
Yes, we’ve all heard the same old baseball jokes before. I love the game; I grew up playing in leagues and umpiring. Once you know the ins and outs it’s addictive.
Reply to Jamal Limburger cheese (soft, very earthy), braunschweiger (liverwurst), raw onion, on rye.
Even in Germanish Minnesota, actual pumpernickel is all but non-existent. The stuff sold in stores as pumpernickel is just indifferent dark-colored bread.
Pumpernickel bread is usually made with a high proportion of rye flour and a small amount of wheat flour. It's the rye flour however that's of particular interest. Traditional Old World black pumpernickel bread uses coarse rye flour that's ground from the entire rye berry. This flour is sometimes referred to as 'meal'. Rye meal can also be ground fine or medium. Coarse rye meal is commonly called "pumpernickel" flour, a German name that humorously refers to its occasional effect on the digestive system. "Pumpern" is the German word for "intestinal wind" and "nickel" is a word for demon or sprite.
In contrast to the flour used for pumpernickel, regular rye flour is ground from the endosperm of the rye berry after the outer layers of bran and the germ have been removed. If we were talking about wheat instead of rye, this would be the equivalent of "white" flour. The darker color of rye flour is due its ash content, which varies according to how each particular brand is milled.
Old recipes for pumpernickel bread call for baking in steam at a low heat for 2 hours or more. During this time, unparalleled flavors develop as long slow cooking causes the natural sugar in rye flour to darken and sweeten the bread. Chocolate, spices, orange peel and beer may be added and potatoes are often included as they help keep the bread moist. Rather than using very coarse rye meal and lengthy cooking to develop flavor, many of today's versions of pumpernickel contain a mixture of rye and wheat flour and are darkened to look like the original version, with cocoa or caramel coloring!
Reply to BC The good thing about the success of the German supermarket chains Lidl and Aldi across Europe is that while they do adapt the stock to suit the diverse locales, they also sneak in the best German stuff like pumpernickel and Nuremberg sausages.
Reply to Jamal A great hotdog should be grilled outdoors. The charred surface adds the perfect amount of carcinogens, which with the nitrates already there, is toxic perfection.
Yes, we’ve all heard the same old baseball jokes before. I love the game; I grew up playing in leagues and umpiring. Once you know the ins and outs it’s addictive.
I like the idea of baseball. It's philosophical - the rules are so arbitrary and arcane that it teaches us viscerally about the structure of human thought and values. I also like it because it is one of those things, like fishing and hunting, that are traditional and draw families together. The thing I like best about professional baseball is walking up the ramp and into the stadium and seeing the brightly lit green field for a night game. That said, please don't make me watch. I wish I liked it but I don't have enough patience. My elder son does love it. One of the reasons he gets along with his girlfriend so well is that she does too.
I went to a game once and an English guy was behind me and he was asking his friends, "this is bizarre, do some players never even get to touch the ball?" I'm sure they have stats on the longest stretch where a fielder didn't make a play and could have just as well been in the locker room taking a shower.
Noble DustFebruary 04, 2023 at 19:04#7786790 likes
the rules are so arbitrary and arcane that it teaches us viscerally about the structure of human thought and values.
Yeah, I suppose the way points (runs) are scored is pretty weird. But the depth of strategy and the variables of gameplay that stem from that system are exponential. I would argue baseball is the most complex of the major professional sports. Yes, walking out of the tunnel and seeing the field never gets old.
unenlightenedFebruary 05, 2023 at 10:28#7788320 likes
Does anyone else suffer from the following synchronicity? I'm perusing the newish topics, and come across one that deserves a pearl of my great wisdom. I polish said pearl and put it neatly on display, and resume browsing, only to find that the next thread is even more urgently in need of the self-same pearl.
Some folks like to link to their own posts, others are merely repetitive, but I cannot find an entirely satisfying solution.
But more importantly, are you lot all cribbing each other's ideas, or is this the collective unconscious exposing itself?
. I would argue baseball is the most complex of the major professional sports.
Yes and no.
As to complexity, when I coached the six and under Cardinals, I can attest you could never get the kids to run the right way, to throw the ball to the right person, to remember the cap and glove when they ran out to the field, or to know when they were to stop climbing the fence and go up and bat. Soccer was easy. You just yelled "run" and "kick." So, yes, baseball's got some complicated rules.
But, as to strategy, it doesn't have the military play concepts of American Football. I would think once you've got the best players, how much coaching matters in baseball is limited, as opposed to football where a coach truly matters.
But more importantly, are you lot all cribbing each other's ideas, or is this the collective unconscious exposing itself?
There are plenty of interesting philosophical subjects to cover. Unfortunately, there are a few that seem to get discussed and re-discussed to the point of saturation. Such subjects include:
Yes I have noticed the ongoing competition between the two of you in the game of "How wrong can I be?" And the answer in this case is "completely wrong". Well done.
The true answer of course is that my pearls are so lustrous as to shine in any thread.
And there always needs to be a choice of free will threads, and one determinism thread.
Reply to T Clark I wonder if they could make an AI program that could create humor, finally eliminating the need for my very limited contribution to the world.
I think they'd just need to tell random stories and throw in the words vagina, penis, and diarrhea cupcakes and that would create some really good material. A little edgy I know, but that's how I roll.
I'll ask @Michael to do build that program. He just needs to write himself a Post-it note and he'll get right to it.
I reckon American Football has the most complex and structured play format. For baseball, it’s more about the mind games between the pitcher and batter. That’s basically the game, which I suppose is why people find it so boring. The complexity comes from all the variables; the pitch arsenal of the pitcher, the strengths and weaknesses of the batter, the circumstances of the at bat. I’m probably wrong, but I’ll stick by it.
For baseball, it’s more about the mind games between the pitcher and batter. That’s basically the game, which I suppose is why people find it so boring.
As I said, I'm not a fan, but I've always found defense more interesting and exciting than pitching and hitting. A home run is a home run, but a throw from center field into the catcher's mitt in exactly the right position to tag the runner out is beautiful.
unenlightenedFebruary 06, 2023 at 00:24#7789640 likes
@The world Americans are even more antsy than the British about sport, which is ridiculous, as we invented them all including athletics, which we generously donated to the ancient Greeks because they had fuck all else going for them apart from philosophy, and no one gives a stuff about philosophy.
As I said, I'm not a fan, but I've always found defense more interesting and exciting than pitching and hitting. A home run is a home run, but a throw from center field into the catcher's mitt in exactly the right position to tag the runner out is beautiful.
I like a routine ground out to the second baseman and a lob to first as the runner lazily trots to the bag knowing he will soon be turning toward the dugout to grab his glove in anticipation of the next inning. It's soothing to me, like the steady ticking of a clock.
My second favorite play is the same thing, but instead of the first baseman stepping on the bag, he waits and tags the runner in the face with the ball. That one always wakes up the crowd.
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 06, 2023 at 02:34#7789900 likes
You can't beat hockey, developed from the activity of chasing a frozen horse turd around on a frozen pond with a stick, all the while trying to find a way to force a member of the other team to eat it.
unenlightenedFebruary 06, 2023 at 13:50#7790430 likes
Thoughts and prayers time for Turkey and Syria after a pair of quakes. "Gaia is angry."
Thoughts and prayers time for Turkey and Syria after a pair of quakes.
If there is ever an event that should make us all understand, that we are one planet and we need to unite as one species, its a natural disaster. It's non-discriminatory, being a theist, atheist, scientist, rich plutocrat, aristocrat, celebrity, innocent baby, etc, wont protect you, if by happenstance, you are in the Earthquake zone. Prayer is utterly useless, better to demand that the Turkish authorities try to develop better early warning systems, well practice fast evacuation techniques and ways to build structures that are as earthquake proof as possible.
unenlightenedFebruary 07, 2023 at 10:45#7792260 likes
I understand what you mean, but I fully encourage the tears anyway, lest folks implode with the grief of the loss of those they loved. I even understand the need for the useless prayer, for similar reasons.
Desperate people make desperate appeals to any notion they harbour of supernatural justice against what they will perceive as a 'natural injustice' visited upon them.
Natural disaster was always associated with 'angry gods' in the past. That's why humans invented the desperate 'blood sacrifice' concept to sate those angry gods. The Christians are still quite dependent on the notion. Unfortunately, old tribal human sacrifices did not have the Jesus advantage of being able to be sacrificed to yourself and then pop back up again, suggesting that it was no sacrifice at all.
An immortal cannot die, so cannot be offered in sacrifice.
unenlightenedFebruary 07, 2023 at 11:50#7792350 likes
Only in protest against the Turkish and Syrian Authorities who left people completely unprepared, rather than 'as prepared as they could be,' considering they live near tectonic fault lines.
Corrupt governance always means more people dying of causes other than old age.
Such circumstances will not stop until WE can prevent corrupt governance.
unenlightenedFebruary 07, 2023 at 14:11#7792460 likes
Just like a good atheist... When an international disaster comes along and many people have died or are in danger, that's a good time to pick a fight with theists.
universenessFebruary 07, 2023 at 18:20#7792880 likes
Reply to T Clark
How do you know I am a good atheist? But I appreciate your faith in me anyway.
How would you help the people of Turkey and Syria after such a natural disaster?
Will you pray for them? or suggest they organise and fight for changes to the sociopolitical system they live under?
or suggest they organise and fight for changes to the sociopolitical system they live under?
This on the other hand is a fucking heartless ignorant insult to people who have been fighting a civil war against a bloody tyrant for the last 12 years.
universenessFebruary 07, 2023 at 21:40#7793190 likes
Reply to T Clark
I agree with your 'not at a time like this,' but many many thousands of people have died in places like Turkey and Syria due to Earthquakes, for many centuries now. I think they should spend more money on early warning systems and survival tech for their people than the many billions they spend on Islam.
I agree with your 'not at a time like this,' but many many thousands of people have died in places like Turkey and Syria due to Earthquakes, for many centuries now. I think they should spend more money on early warning systems and survival tech
I'm ready to leave it at that.
universenessFebruary 07, 2023 at 21:56#7793220 likes
This on the other hand is a fucking heartless ignorant insult to people who have been fighting a civil war against a bloody tyrant for the last 12 years.
Which tyrant are you referring to? Erdogan, Assad, Putin et al?
Who are the real tyrants in the history of such countries? The latest 'tyrant of the month' or tyrannical systems such as past theistic monarchies, embedded plutocratic power bases that use religion to opiate the population. Dynastic family structures that control the means of production, distribution and exchange and refuse to allow the majority of the population to become educated, etc, etc.
Try to direct your irrational, knee jerk style ire towards those who deny their people all the protection against Earthquakes which our current global tech can offer. If you do so, then one day you might earn a better handle than unenlightened.
universenessFebruary 07, 2023 at 21:57#7793230 likes
Who are the real tyrants in the history of such countries?
Of the three - Erdogan, Assad, Putin - Assad has the worst tyranny score (# of atrocities per square km times years). Putin's score is lower because Russia and Ukraine are much larger than Syria. If we extend the formulae to include the predations of Bashar Assad's father, the Assad score is even worse. I'm not happy with Erdogan or Orbán either, but they haven't achieved nearly as much on the fields of infamy as Assad has.
Not in the same class as the others, Putin is risking far more than the rest. [probably] Nobody is going to start a nuclear war over adding or subtracting a few hundred km2 of state control in Syria. Nobody is going to nuke Damascus unless Assad maybe tries to seize Israel.
Turkey has a population of 85 million, gdp per capita of $9,660. Syria's population is 21.3 million and a per capita income of $533.39. Syria's GDP peaked at about $10,000 in 2010, and took a nosedive thereafter. Turkey isn't rich and Syria is (now) definitely poor. Building earthquake resistant housing and infrastructure for 100 million people in developing economies is a long shot. Their usual building materials -- unreinforced concrete, brick, and block -- are what they could afford. Unfortunately, they fall apart when stressed.
Every significant problem we face on earth should have been addressed starting 50 years ago, whether we're talking about global warming, antibiotic resistance, or earthquake-sturdy buildings. Today is always way too late.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated the long-term price tag for the war in Iraq at around $2.4 trillion. Another 2 trillion was spent on the war in Afghanistan. $4 Trillion, or $4,000,000,000,000 to achieve nothing of even short-lasting value.
Had we effectively spent just one (1) Trillion dollars on quake-resistant structures in the Middle East quake zone over the last 50 years, we could at least say we did what was reasonably possible.
unenlightenedFebruary 08, 2023 at 00:01#7793410 likes
Try to direct your irrational, knee jerk style ire towards those who deny their people all the protection against Earthquakes which our current global tech can offer. If you do so, then one day you might earn a better handle than unenlightened.
Hey, someone's made a funny joke about my name, as if names had to be justified, like everything else in the universe. I direct my ire at bad philosophy on this site, because that is what I can do here. Your high horse is lame, and it would be a kindness to it to dismount.
Amusing I suppose, but it is only fundamentalist Christians and perhaps Muslims who believe prehistoric humans ever encountered dinosaurs. Atheists should know better. Perhaps sabretooth tigers would make more sense.
Building earthquake resistant housing and infrastructure for 100 million people in developing economies is a long shot.
Yes, because money dictates! It's nurturing personal profit/wealth/status/power over nurturing people.
The tech is available for better 'earthquake resistant buildings.' Better 'early warning,' systems and fast evacuation plans, are also available. In some very rich houses in earthquake zones, they even have 'survival pods' which can survive the building collapsing on top of you, if you are inside the pod. The money trick and the chains of backwards religious dogma are used by the nefarious few to control a mass of people, with promises of a better life AFTER THEY ARE DEAD! These are the base problems that should have been dealt with, centuries ago.
As a socialist yourself, you will know, our struggle continues because WE have so far failed to deal wih these problems. We have improved the situation for millions imo but it's still not enough.
The Assad's are just another nefarious dynastic family, who are currently, mere Putin puppets.
I lay any current or recent (past few years) deaths/murders caused by Assad's forces (which are mainly Russian forces,) at Putin's door.
The Western leaders have a lot to answer for as well, for what is happening in that area of the world.
Saddam Hussain and Muammar Gaddafi would not have reached the heights of power they did or have been able to kill so many with impunity, without the support of the West. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, is a highly problematic approach, despite the truth that in a world war scenario, it can be the better choice between two evils, (eg Stalin/Hitler).
Every significant problem we face on earth should have been addressed starting 50 years ago, whether we're talking about global warming, antibiotic resistance, or earthquake-sturdy buildings. Today is always way too late.
Some problems should have been dealt with 300,000 years ago. The first tough guy who wanted to be King/Chief etc of any 'tribe' should have been killed by the tribe. Money should have been dismissed as a terrible idea, when it was first suggested.
Had we effectively spent just one (1) Trillion dollars on quake-resistant structures in the Middle East quake zone over the last 50 years, we could at least say we did what was reasonably possible
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unenlightenedFebruary 08, 2023 at 09:51#7793990 likes
Reply to BC On the basis that that is clearly a saw cut, the hatchet holding boy is innocent despite his confession.
universenessFebruary 08, 2023 at 09:52#7794000 likes
Hey, someone's made a funny joke about my name, as if names had to be justified, like everything else in the universe. I direct my ire at bad philosophy on this site, because that is what I can do here. Your high horse is lame, and it would be a kindness to it to dismount.
:lol: Again, you leave yourself wide open! Unenlightened is YOUR NAME?? You must have had very interesting (and rather cruel) parents. You must try to employ more clarity, in what you type, so that you might stop shooting your own feet.
As I suggested to you earlier, try directing your ire at the nefarious characters that continue to f*** up our world, instead of what YOUR knee jerking, interprets as 'bad philosophy,' on this or any other site.
I don't envisage the imaginary 'high horses' that you do, when I consider what you type. I just consider what you type, and I consider it an attempt to be kind to you, when I try to assist you, to see the shortfalls in what you type. Yeah, I know that sounds a bit arrogant on my part, but you are a cheeky wee interlocuter, so YOU DESERVE IT!
unenlightenedFebruary 08, 2023 at 09:55#7794010 likes
Sometimes, another says it better than I.
If you remain unenlightened, I suppose you need rational ideas repeated to you regularly.
See, I can be a cheeky interlocuter to! :grin:
unenlightenedFebruary 08, 2023 at 10:22#7794050 likes
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is a straightforward demonstration of the power of prayer. Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.
universenessFebruary 08, 2023 at 10:28#7794070 likes
Reply to unenlightened
:roll: Yeah, just you keep shooting your own feet. A clear demonstration of your ability to use a Trump style approach of selective copying and pasting to produce fake news. I suppose that does demonstrate the power of prayer at its deceptive best, and yes, seeing that, in what you typed, is quite 'straightforward.'
unenlightenedFebruary 08, 2023 at 10:30#7794080 likes
unenlightenedFebruary 08, 2023 at 14:16#7794350 likes
Good grief! I think I feel a thread coming on. I love you, @universeness, but not in that way, I'm sorry.
universenessFebruary 08, 2023 at 14:37#7794400 likes
Reply to unenlightened
:lol: That's ok mate! I was never confused! I think you concentrated too much, on the storyline of 'dry your eyes,' rather than the underlying message it delivered, of being enlightened enough, to know when you should quit trying to come back, in an exchange, you lost a few posts ago.
unenlightenedFebruary 08, 2023 at 14:54#7794430 likes
Might be better focussing on the situation in Turkey and Syria, than poor wee unenlightened's wounded pride. No house fell on his or his families head, so he and his are fine.
Thousands died unnecessarily, due to corrupt companies, not complying with the building standards for building in an Earthquake zone. The number of buildings which have collapsed pancake style is utterly disgusting, and the fact that building standards were not adhered to, is down to the level of corruption in Erdogan's regime.
You are an engineer @T Clark, what do you think of the fact that whole area's of buildings collapsed like pancakes? Surely they were not erected under strict Earthquake zone standards!
Most of the poor sod's who died and are still dying under the rubble in Syria, had no chance, considering how they have been abused by the West, the East and their own home grown f***wits, since the West invaded and then abandoned the place and left it utterly devastated.
They are still shouting 'god is great,' every time they pull a survivor from the rubble.
I don't blame those who are shouting 'god is great' in those circumstances.
I just despise the corrupt people who have caused many more deaths that would have happened, if they had worked hard to protect the people from such threats, instead of only being interested in their own wealth, status and power, and looking after their own nearest and dearest. These nefarious people, use religion as a weapon, to keep the people down and keep them quiet, afraid and compliant.
Let's talk about that and not unenlightened's wounded bird act.
You are an engineer T Clark, what do you think of the fact that whole area's of buildings collapsed like pancakes. Surely they were not erected under strict Earthquake standards!
According to the web, Turkey passed a new seismic building code in 2007 but it is not enforced diligently. Turkey has a recent history of earthquakes with large losses of life.
universenessFebruary 08, 2023 at 20:45#7795240 likes
Reply to T Clark
I was just watching the news from the disaster zone and a few 'experts,' in and outside of Syria and Turkey are beginning to voice their opinions of how surprised and shocked they are, at the number of buildings that collapsed in the way they did. If the new codes you mention had been followed. The people who have lost so much, surely have the right to know about those who died, due to the corruption they live under.
Reply to universeness On the public radio program [i]The World[/I] A Turkish commentator noted the improved building codes, and then surmised that endemic corruption in building and inspections undermined the potential benefit.
javi2541997February 09, 2023 at 05:43#7796290 likes
It's blood analysis time! I have to check how is going my Calcium.
javi2541997February 09, 2023 at 05:54#7796350 likes
Reply to BC Thanks BC! I hope a good result, because the pills of calcium and vitamins taste so bad... I no longer want them!
universenessFebruary 09, 2023 at 10:26#7796820 likes
Reply to BC
People will keep dying unnecessarily, as long as corrupt officials/leaders are not successfully held to account by the people they represent. That's just a general fact and the horrific consequences of the Earthquake that's happened in Turkey and Syria, demonstrates the obvious truth of my first sentence above.
17,000 died in the 1999 Izmit Earthquake in Turkey. It looks like this one is going to surpass that death toll. It seems the level of corruption in the building industry in Turkey, hand in hand with the corrupt people in authority, needed to allow the rich owners of the construction industry to get away with the shortcut methods they use and their continued use of cheap, shoddy materials which contravene the legislated rules for construction in an Earthquake zone is allowed to continue and that is heinous, to put it mildly. All just so the rich can become richer. It's as vile as any notion of rape or murder of innocent people, innocent women, children, men. The fact that this corruption remains, despite the death toll of the 1999 Izmit Earthquake and the so called 'lessons learned,' is utterly unacceptable. Global pressure must be brought on the Turkish authorities to prosecute those responsible and the global community must take responsibility for what's going on in Syria. The Syrian victims are getting almost no help in comparison with the Turkish victims. This is ultimately Erdogan's responsibility, who probably earns money for himself from such corrupt activities.
If I had lost family members due to such corruption, I would initially be in f****** 'bloody revolution' mode, and later, I would realise that the best I could do, is to dedicate the rest of my life, to trying to organise as many people as possible, to change things for the better in Turkey and Syria.
I would certainly consider Allah's lack of help, and prevention, and demonstration of personal corruption, as bad as Erdogan's. I would then reject my disdain towards Allah, as it's silly to hate a non-existent.
I would then see that it's the rich and corrupt people who use religion to manipulate the people, that's the problem, rather than any individual issue about whether or not gods exist.
I would then fight hard for a future socialist, secular humanist, Turkey and Syria, so that the next time a major Earthquake hits, less people will die.
universenessFebruary 09, 2023 at 10:36#7796880 likes
Reply to Jamal
If people in pubs, who talk about the injustices in the world, bore you, then you should not join their company. Do you prefer the alternate boring facilitators, who throw their hands up in the air in defeatist acceptance, with such exclamations as, 'well, what can one do?' As they sip their Pina Colada's!
Give me the angry pub bore anytime over the 'part of the problem,' people.
If people in pubs, who talk about the injustices in the world, bore you, then you should not join their company. Do you prefer the alternate boring facilitators, who throw their hands up in the air in defeatist acceptance, with such exclamations as, 'well, what can one do?' As they sip their Pina Colada's!
Give me the angry pub bore anytime over the 'part of the problem,' people.
I'm sure the suffering gain great comfort in knowing you are working hard for them into the wee hours of the night from your barstool wagging your finger.
Bless you for your good deeds.
You are so much different from the happy drunk who wasted his night throwing darts.
universenessFebruary 09, 2023 at 16:13#7797340 likes
I'm sure the suffering gain great comfort in knowing you are working hard for them into the wee hours of the night from your barstool wagging your finger.
Bless you for your good deeds.
You are so much different from the happy drunk who wasted his night throwing darts.
Who you comparing my efforts with? Yours?
Perhaps you can send them some of your kitchen concoctions or you can pray for them or even send them a signed bottle of your reggae reggae sauce.
Try to focus on the injustice of what happening, rather than trying to find ways to stroke your little ego.
Whatever effort I am making on the behalf of those suffering injustice in places like Turkey and Syria, is probably far more than you. I don't return your blessing for YOUR good deeds. I could also trounce you at darts, drunk or sober.
Who you comparing my efforts with? Yours?
Perhaps you can send them some of your kitchen concoctions or you can pray for them or even send them a signed bottle of your reggae reggae sauce.
Try to focus on the injustice of what happening, rather that trying to find ways to stroke your little ego.
Whatever effort I am making on the behalf of those suffering injustice in places like Turkey and Syria, is probably far more than you. I don't return your blessing for YOUR good deeds. I could also trounce you at darts, drunk or sober.
I don't pretend to be doing anything. I'm just not trying to convince myself or others that carrying on about injustice with those within earshot actually counts for something. The only thing you're accomplishing is having people like me tell you that you're not doing anything. That's not much of an accomplishment after a hard day's work.
You might beat me at darts, but I fully expect that I will be beat you in the upcoming Philosophy Forum Dance Off. Last year's reigning champ, T Clark dazzled us with a seductive two hour Charleston. See you on the ballroom floor mon frere.
universenessFebruary 09, 2023 at 16:54#7797450 likes
I don't pretend to be doing anything. I'm just not trying to convince myself or others that carrying on about injustice with those within earshot actually counts for something. The only thing you're accomplishing is having people like me tell you that you're not doing anything. That's not much of an accomplishment after a hard day's work.
Your ridiculous assumption, is you presume to know what I am doing about anything.
Don't judge others by your standards.
People like you telling me that I am not doing anything, means nothing to people like me, as again, you know nothing about what I do.
Mr Clark USED to make good shoes! Clark shoes had a good rep, all over the world, BUT dancin shoes? Nah, never. The Hanoverians cant dance either, never could! Too much time spent in restrictive lederhosen costumes, inside auld bierkellers, listening to OOmpah bands!
Now an old Glesga Savvoy Boy like me. Hah! Make some room sonny!
unenlightenedFebruary 09, 2023 at 17:26#7797480 likes
Back in the bad old days, the UK had lots of building inspectors and public health officers, and these interfering officious busybodies spent their time enforcing 'British Standards'. The Conservatives called this 'red tape' after the tape that was used to tie up government documents. After a generation or so of cutting the red tape, aka deregulation, we had the Grenfell fire, and since then, there has been less of that sort of talk, although the government still finds the European Rights Act tiresome.
One berates a government for its restriction of freedom, and then another for failing to enforce those restrictions.
Back in the bad old days, the UK had lots of building inspectors and public health officers, and these interfering officious busybodies spent their time enforcing 'British Standards'.
You are talking like those public workers no longer exist… maybe I would sound boring as a seaweed but having public servants - like building inspectors - are necessary to preserve and keep a control over the town. Right? :eyes:
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 09, 2023 at 18:59#7797610 likes
I have decided that football fans are a rowdy group but that is about it.
Golf fans on the other hand are the most entitled group of people with atrocious outfits.
Got bumper stickers we need to bring back:
Welcome to Arizona :flower:
Now GO home!
unenlightenedFebruary 09, 2023 at 19:47#7797660 likes
You are talking like those public workers no longer exist
Public health inspectors have been drastically cut back over the years, pest control has been privatised, cladding fire testing was handed over to the manufacturers. I'm talking about trends.
having public servants - like building inspectors - are necessary to preserve and keep a control over the town. Right? :eyes:
Absolutely. I'm making a connection between the scandal of Grenfell and the scandal of Turkish buildings, related exactly to those public services being neglected and undervalued.
Absolutely. I'm making a connection between the scandal of Grenfell and the scandal of Turkish buildings, related exactly to those public services being neglected and undervalued.
Reply to javi2541997 A general term which covers privatization, cuts in public services, and the like is "neoliberalism". It is perhaps most popular among conservatives, but some centrists like it too. Low taxes on the wealthy; privatized public services; wage cuts for the working classes; rugged individualism for those who need help (in other words, you are on your own). It's anti-government and pro-unfettered capitalism.
universenessFebruary 10, 2023 at 10:12#7798500 likes
It's anti-government and pro-unfettered capitalism.
:up: As is being confirmed, more and more, in the news from Turkey and Syria. Such 'unfettered capitalism,' international political intrigue, combined with pernicious theism, has again caused the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people.
I watched an interview with a Turkish civil engineer, who was involved in the construction of 17 mutlistorey residential properties. They were built in accordance with the earthquake guidelines, and not one of them collapsed. His mother was killed, as she lived in a building which did collapse, as it was not upgraded. He made the statement 'Bad buildings are killing more of us than the Earthquake.'
It matter's that this is said loudly, in pubs, clubs, bingo halls, cheese and wine parties, houses of commons, lords, senates etc, etc. Things might change then. If most people just let it fade away, and go back to making scones in their kitchen and focussing on ego sparring, then the chance for change will be lost again and we will simply wait for the next atrocity cause by 'unfettered capitalism.'
In the UK, if you don't already know, you can donate to the Turkey/Syria appeal at dec.org.uk
Well there it is. Scones are the root of the problem. I've never seen any justification for scones' existence. They aren't much better than what in the US is called a baking powder biscuit.
Things might change then. If most people just let it fade away, and go back to making scones in their kitchen and focussing on ego sparring, then the chance for change will be lost again and we will simply wait for the next atrocity cause by 'unfettered capitalism.'
The key to a quality scone is using very cold ingredients. You will want to freeze your butter and then use a cheese shredder to grate it. Use cold water for your dough, then mix in the frozen butter, but don't knead it too long or you'll melt it. Put it back in the freezer even after you've formed the ball for a while and then press it down to the proper shape and cut and bake it.
By leaving the small shreds of frozen butter within the dough, the final result is flakier and buttier as opposed to having melted butter throoughout.
Another key to this is to use dehydrated fruit (like cranberry or blueberry) or you can use nuts, but you don't want to use something with too much moisture or it will make the area surrounding the fruit soggy.
The key to a quality scone is using very cold ingredients. You will want to freeze your butter and then use a cheese shredder to grate it. Use cold water for your dough, then mix in the frozen butter, but don't knead it too long or you'll melt it. Put it back in the freezer even after you've formed the ball for a while and then press it down to the proper shape and cut and bake it.
As representative examples of TPF members, we would like to know how many pieces of kitsch you own. Just in case you don't know, kitsch = a low-brow style of mass-produced art or design using popular or cultural icons. There's nothing wrong with being low-brow; there's nothing wrong with kitsch. Every society has kitsch -- even the Neanderthals had low-brow stuff sitting around their caves.
I admit to kitsch.
If you possess now, or have ever possessed, a black velvet portrait of Elvis [or something like it] or a little Manneken Pis (pissing boy) statue from Brussels, you are qualified to participate in this discussion. The gates of kitsch are wide -- they have to be in order to accommodate the extra large loads of things that will fascinate you -- being delivered to a store near you--RIGHT NOW.
As representative examples of TPF members, we would like to know how many pieces of kitsch you own.
I have a lot of stuff around my house. I tend not to throw things away that might possibly be of use in the future. But nothing I would classify as kitsch. We don't have classy stuff, but what we do have us useful and comfortable. Maybe the closest I come is haphazard ad hoc collections of silver and silverplate flatware, glassware, and china. I showed some of them in the old "Beautiful Things" thread.
I just thought of something you might consider kitsch - I have quite a few aloha shirts that I've bought or been given over the years. Some of them are really beautiful. I love the way rayon feels when it drapes over my shoulders. I rarely wear them any more. I don't consider them kitsch at all, but you might.
Noble DustFebruary 10, 2023 at 22:00#7799370 likes
Kitsch. But you don't have to throw them away. Once upon a time it cost a to of money to go to Hawaii and few proles ever did. Once upon a time, Hawaiian shirts were a piece of conspicuous consumption proving one could fly to Honolulu. These days all kinds of riff raff fly there, and you don't have to even leave town to obtain alohaha shirts.
BTW, the Germans suffered from Rayon during WWII. They didn't like it. You do, because of its high tensile modulus, dimensional stability, toughness, and adhesion. That's what engineers think about when they shop for aloha shirts.
My brow is so high I sometimes have trouble seeing over it
Maybe you could do an in-service on style for T. Clark.
universenessFebruary 10, 2023 at 22:54#7799460 likes
Kitsch was utterly destroyed in a recent earthquake, caused by a pub bore, throwing one of Hanover's freshly made scones on the pub floor, after licking it once. Thousand of complacents, all over the world, have been severely injured. Some even spilled their pina colada's
As representative examples of TPF members, we would like to know how many pieces of kitsch you own.
None, obviously. I am the epitome of downward mobility, and thus cannot afford kitsch. Why are all guilty pleasures of German origin? Kitsch, schadenfreude etc? I do have a wedding present of my parents A John Skeaping Wedgwood faun
But I don't think it qualifies. Otherwise, we have to make our own decorations, which makes them more folksy than kitschy. You know, patchwork curtains, and macrame plant holders. they might be kitsch if one bought them, but home made, aspire merely to "naff".
INo, I'm the fiery redhead from the porn channel. Easy mistake to make.
I always assumed you are really Troy McClure. I remember you from such food posts as "Dried out anadama bread" and "White bread, ketchup, American cheese - Pizza!"
Reply to BC A small smattering of Hanoverian kitsch:
While T Clark describes his home as an embarrassing clutter of mismatched dishes and cracked coffee mugs, mine is an eclectic mix of curiosity and quirk.
javi2541997February 11, 2023 at 17:11#7801150 likes
Here's my favorite Aloha shirt. I don't wear it anymore because it's probably insensitive to indigenous people.
And while we're at it, here's a photo of some of my favorite flatware.
The larger spoon and fork are Rogers Brothers Oval Thread silverplate. The smaller spoon is sterling silver. It is the spoon which was in my mouth when I was born.
The "DofH" caption references the Degree of Honor, a fraternal organization dating back to a post Civil War group, Ancient Order of United Workmen (AOUW). They were the first organization to offer insurance for workingmen. The "D of H" was the women's auxiliary of the AOUW. My parents belonged to the D of H. It was a social lodge organization, sort of like Eastern Star, Royal Neighbors, Masons, and a batch of other groups. They held dinners and dances--and had this flatware. The set was pretty beat up from long use before it came my way after my folks died.
The piece on the left is Target, 2019. I bought a few place settings of this, in case I had company for lunch; this hasn't happened yet. I can manage cooking for 1 or 2. Cooking for 3 would be too stressful.
Below is a piece of coal I picked up near Cumberland Falls, KY. Coal is hard to come by these days, especially polished coal. It has a very nice glossy texture.
Reply to Hanover I especially like the dog reading on its back. The literary cat is good too. If somebody breaks into your house and steals these two items, you'll know where to go for them.
Here's a poem which mentions the literary preferences of dogs and cats"
The Revenant by Billy Collins
I am the dog you put to sleep,
as you like to call the needle of oblivion,
come back to tell you this simple thing:
I never liked you – not one bit.
When I licked your face,
I thought of biting off your nose.
When I watched you toweling yourself dry,
I wanted to leap and unman you with a snap.
I resented the way you moved,
your lack of animal grace,
the way you would sit in a chair and eat,
a napkin on your lap, knife in your hand.
I would have run away,
but I was too weak, a trick you taught me
while I was learning to sit and heel,
and – greatest of insults – shake hands without a hand.
I admit the sight of the leash
would excite me
but only because it meant I was about
to smell things you had never touched.
You do not want to believe this,
but I have no reason to lie.
I hated the car, the rubber toys,
disliked your friends and, worse, your relatives.
The jingling of my tags drove me mad.
You always scratched me in the wrong place.
All I ever wanted from you
was food and fresh water in my metal bowls.
While you slept, I watched you breathe
as the moon rose in the sky.
It took all my strength
not to raise my head and howl.
Now I am free of the collar,
the yellow raincoat, monogrammed sweater,
the absurdity of your lawn,
and that is all you need to know about this place
except what you already supposed
and are glad it did not happen sooner –
that everyone here can read and write,
the dogs in poetry, the cats and the others in prose.
The coal might come in handy should the heat fail. Use it just before you start pulling floorboards to burn.
My aunt left me the silverware. It was engraved with the first letter of her last name, which was the same letter as mine. She chose me over my other siblings because she said I looked most like my mom, her favorite. That decision didn't divide our profound brotherly love, but instead just put me in charge of losing most of it.
My grandmother had many nick nacks on a shelf, which my brother destroyed when he ducked from the pillow I threw at his head. We were playing the throw grandma's pillows game. She let us play outside the next few hours while she glued everything back together.
I have about 20 clocks in my house, many antique. They gong on the hour and click loudly. Like heartbeats, there are a finite number of ticks. I like that constant reminder so that I will always remember to diligently post here, and not waste my ticks.
Did I mention it's raining here? Pitter patter pitter patter.
Noble DustFebruary 11, 2023 at 22:25#7801870 likes
Did you lose your brothers love or the silverware?
Nice ambiguity, but worry not, the Hanover clan remains tightly bound, despite the efforts of my spinster aunt to metaphorically cut and splice us with the treasured silverware.
Nothing little boys love more than heirloom silverware, but we persevered.
I'm considering becoming a subscriber solely so I can join in on posting pictures of cutlery.
I'm skeptical. I always picture you eating food directly out of take out boxes with your fingers, chopsticks, or, for formal occasions, plastic forks and knives.
Reply to Noble DustReply to T Clark Being an urban sophisticate, he probably doen't eat cold Chef Boyardee out of a can. The only person I knew who did that was an urban oof from Brooklyn.
Sadly (or happily) Ettore Boiardi and his Conagra successors no longer make Beefogetti, Chili Cheese Dog Twistaroni, Sealife Forkables, or numerous other abominations.
BTW, nobody knows exactly how long it takes for biodegradable forks to turn into dirt.
Noble DustFebruary 12, 2023 at 03:26#7802320 likes
Growing up my brother did enjoy Chef Boyardee (ravioli I think?) but being the insufferable sophisticate I've always been, I much preferred the mac n' cheese option. The microwavable cups, mind you. No clammy tin cans for us.
And on a good day they may feed you ravioli
Right out of the can
Similarly to oysters, raviolii (plural) are generally considered to be at peak when the transit time between source and destination is as short as possible.
Similarly to oysters, raviolii (plural) are generally considered to be at peak when the transit time between source and destination is as short as possible.
It is my understanding that canned ravioli sell by dates are always less than a year from canning. Or maybe that was two years.
Reply to T Clark Don't believe it! Shelf-stable foods (like canned ravioli) remain wholesome (if it was in the first place) for a long time provided the can itself is in pristine condition.
BTW, nobody knows exactly how long it takes for biodegradable forks to turn into dirt.
First, they get filled with micro-organism, which probably happens during the time between when they get produced and when they get used. Silver on the other hand is a very effective antibacterial. Just sayin.
Don't believe it! Shelf-stable foods (like canned ravioli) remain wholesome (if it was in the first place) for a long time provided the can itself is in pristine condition.
And, after all, they're angels. They wouldn't feed me something bad.
I made chicken quarters baked in BBQ sauce last night. I learned this recipe from the office cafeteria where I used to work. It was Wednesday"s offering.
The lady who ran the place was Ukrainian, and she said I looked Ukrainian, so when I told her my ancestry was Ukrainian, she spoke to me in Russian, and she couldn't be convinced I didn't also inherit the ability to speak Russian from over 100 years ago when great great grandpa's boat landed on Ellis Island.
What I did do as a compromise was to say da and nyet to the various offerings she would point her slop spoon at. She'd give me extra large portions as well, as I was a fellow countryman after all.
Just tell them your size and hand them yours as collateral and the nice lady will lend you a recently defumigated pair.
Yes, I have bowled. Speaking of bowling... Growing up, bowling meant 10 pin. Big balls with holes. Bowling pins shaped like.... well, bowling pins. Where I grew up, there was also duck pin bowling - smaller pins with a similar shape and balls small enough to hold in your hand. You get three balls in each frame rather than two. Knock them all down with one ball - strike. Knock them down with two balls - spare. Knock them down with three balls - 10 points.
Up here in New England they have candle pin bowling. Cylindrical pins. The rules are the same as duck pins, except they leave the pins on the alley between rolls. I think it must be a Pilgrim thing.
here in New England they have candle pin bowling. Cylindrical pins. The rules are the same as duck pins, except they leave the pins on the alley between rolls. I think it must be a Pilgrim thing.
Bowling is bigger in the northeast and Midwest because you need indoor activities when it's cold. Down here we go outside, or at least we used to. Now we just stare at our phones.
A picture of an allegedly smiling Swedish boy eagerly relishing smoked fish eggs on hardtack is not the same thing as an actual Swedish boy exercising free will in the dietary department. He hasn't ruined his day by actually biting into this Scandahuvian concoction, you will notice.
Noble DustFebruary 13, 2023 at 00:14#7804350 likes
This is Kalles brand creamed smoked cod roe. That kid really seems to like it. Made by Abba Seafood. Those Swedish kids. Whata you gonna do?
I find eating a real drag so that stuff might suit me. I eat 5 to 6 times a week and in the meantime consume a tube of condensed milk each day, which is rich in calcium and sugar and keeps me going without the need for solids and all that pointless and boring chewing. I tired hemorrhoid cream once but it tasted funny and it paralyzed my lips.
Noble DustFebruary 13, 2023 at 01:01#7804520 likes
You should just buy a food processor. Buy a full case of Chef Boyardee, blend it in batches, freeze half, put the rest in Tupperware in the fridge, and you’ve got a months worth of meal prep out of the way. Better yet, bring it with you on the go in a thermos.
Instead of watching the superbowl, I found this radio station that is playing the Casey Kasem top 40 hits from a random week in 1979. The station has a broadcast range of about 12 miles (90 watts). I have to keep the radio on my face or a Mexican format station over-rides it.
That week had really lame hits, most of which I don't know.
I will survive just cranked up, so I've got a head bop going with the radio bouncing about on my cheek.
A thick dollop of ass cream would hit the spot about now.
I find eating a real drag so that stuff might suit me. I eat 5 to 6 times a week and in the meantime consume a tube of condensed milk each day, which is rich in calcium and sugar and keeps me going without the need for solids and all that pointless and boring chewing.
Is that a Super Bowl snack tradition in the Clark household?
Not in this Clark house. I just ate some traditional pigs-in-blankets my wife made. How she got the pigs to hold still while she wrapped them in dough I'll never know.
That's really more of a @Hanover joke than one of mine.
How she got the pigs to hold still while she wrapped them in dough I'll never know.
Similarly to how @Tom Storm eats his Chef Boyardee, you just put the pigs in a blender to create a hot dog-esque consistency. This causes them to hold still, so to speak. They're now much easier to wrap in the blankets, which, when baked, turn into a sort of cooked dough texture.
[sup]• the equipment runs 1.1 exaflops, flops = floating point operations per second, exa ? quintillion
• 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 = 10[sup]18[/sup] = a quintillion
• (floating point numbers are an approximation to decimal numbers used in computers)[/sup]
Be nice to have one in the basement. Could make my own weather forecasts.
I find eating a real drag so that stuff might suit me. I eat 5 to 6 times a week and in the meantime consume a tube of condensed milk each day, which is rich in calcium and sugar and keeps me going without the need for solids and all that pointless and boring chewing.
— Tom Storm
Geez, you are one dour SoB.
I felt like a dick after writing this. Then I came across this while reading. I thought it might add a different perspective.
Tao Te Ching, Verse 12, Lin Yutang translation
[i]The five colors blind the eyes of man;
The five musical notes deafen the ears of man; The five flavors dull the taste of man;
Horse-racing, hunting and chasing madden the minds of man;
Rare, valuable goods keep their owners awake at night.
Therefore the Sage:
Provides for the belly and not for the eye.
Hence, he rejects the one and accepts the other.[/i]
Chuang Tzu, Chapter 12, Lin Yutang translation
THE FIVE SENSES DETRACT FROM OUR NATURE. There are five ways in which we lose our original nature. First, the five colors confuse the eye and obstruct our vision. Second, the five notes confuse the ear and obstruct our hearing. Third, the five smells assail our nostrils and block up our forehead. Fourth, the five tastes foul the mouth and hurt our taste. Fifth, desires and occupations confuse our mind and cause agitation of our spirit. All these do injury to our life, and yet Yang Chu and Motse regard them as (means toward) fulfillment. That is not what I would regard as fulfillment. For if fulfillment means enslavement, how can it be regarded as fulfillment? If so, then the pigeon and the owl in a cage may regard them- selves as having fulfilled themselves. Besides, if a man's mind is cluttered with desires and occupations and his body is enclosed in a fur cap, or a kingfisher hat, and belts and ceremonial tablets, his mind a mass of stuffed confusion inside and his body a bundle of entanglements outside, and he still claims self-fulfillment from behind that bundle of entanglements, then the convict whose hands are tied behind his back and whose fingers are in a squeezer, and the tigers and leopards behind the bars, may also claim fulfillment of their nature.
Even if you were a dick for saying it, it doesn't mean he wasn't not taking it seriously.
universenessFebruary 15, 2023 at 14:35#7812430 likes
Reply to jorndoe
Thanks for positing those links. Reading the scientific american article, was very interesting.
The 'algebra' involved in the Alice and Bob example using 'quantum information,' would have been interesting to see and I tried the 'setting up your own entangled Qbits,' link, but when I tried to return to the scientific american article, it only showed me a part of it, unless I subscribed to them.
It's also always very interesting and useful to get opinion from Sabine Hossenfelder.
Reply to T Clark To be honest I thought it we were just shooting the shit in the shoutbox. It didn't occur to me to take your comment seriously, just as my original comment was just a bit of nonsense.
To be honest I thought it we were just shooting the shit in the shoutbox. It didn't occur to me to take your comment seriously, just as my original comment was just a bit of nonsense.
Sometimes I think I'm funnier than I actually am. Don't tell @Hanover I said that. And sometimes I step over a line that means something to me even if it doesn't to you. And yes, I was just goofing around. I haven't met anyone like you before.
I was looking for an old post and went looking through @StreetlightX's list of discussions. Here are some of them:
Carlo Rovelli against Mathematical Platonism
TPF Quote Cabinet
What Capitalism is Not (specifically, it is not markets)
GameStop and the Means of Prediction
On the Value of Wikipedia
Spanishly, Englishly, Japanesely
Eleven Theses on Civility
Joy against Happiness
Testimony of Abbie Hoffman (Chicago 7)
God and Religion Arguments [Mega-Thread, Ver2]
David Graeber - Introduction to Mutual Aid
God and Religion Arguments [Mega-Thread]
The Value of Emotions
The Brothers Karamazov Discussion
A Theory of Information
The ABCs of Socialism
Thought Experiments = Bad Philosophy
Hannah Arendt's 2nd Year Course on Thinking…
Thinking-of, Thinking-for, Thinking-with.
Emotions Are Concepts
Giorgio Agamben on the Frontispiece of Hobbes' Leviathan
What It Is Like To Experience X
Pronouns and Gender
Two Questions on Stoicism
Collective Subjectivity
Ethical Principles
Why Things Are Awful: A Debt Perspective
If Not Identity Politics, Then What?
We are responsible ONLY for what we do NOT control
Concepts and Correctness
Simply Can't Function Without My Blanket!
Haddocks' Eyes
The Material and the Medial
Augmented > Virtual Reality (also, Microbots)
Concepts and Apparatus
Subjectivities
Gesture, Language, Math
Philosophical Cartography
The Deception and the Lie
He had three pages of them. This is a listing of just the first page. I was reminded of what a cool guy he was and how much he contributed to the forum.
Please don't think this post is intended as criticism for what happened or what decisions were made. That's not my point at all. I was just reminded of how grateful I was for having his voice here on the forum.
Reply to Sir2u At the rate billions of people are not reproducing, we could be back to 3 billion people like we were in 1960 in a pleasantly short period of time (hmm maybe 60 years?) Oh happy day!
I was just reminded of how grateful I was for having his voice here on the forum.
Well what have you learned from him? People no longer around either live or die through those they have known or spoken to. Each of us as individuals are, in a way, much like a kingdom. There is a royal court (the conscious), there are knights, squires, and peasants (ideals and virtue, memories, and desires, respectively). There is a courtyard or garden (the mind). Much else. In speaking or teaching another we manifest our kingdom within others and make new alliances with their own.
What has he manifested in you?
javi2541997February 17, 2023 at 06:34#7817520 likes
Reply to Outlander I think @T Clark is experiencing nostalgia or melancholy for someone who is no longer in the forum. It is not about if he had learned something from him but the interaction between them. I think I would have felt the same if some users decide to leave the forum or get banned when they used to interact a lot with me. I had this feeling when @Prishon got banned because I remember interacting a lot with him.
You just miss their presence here. :sparkle:
An odd question and an odd post. I am drawn to competence, subtlety, intelligence. There are a few people on the forum who have meant a lot to me. At the top of the list are Timeline, Apokrisis, and StreetlightX. What more reason do I need.
The average erect penis length has increased by 24% over the past three decades across the world. From an average of 4.8 inches to 6 inches. Given the significant implications, attention to potential causes should be investigated.
Reply to T Clark I had actually noticed an increase in my own penis length and girth, although it seems situational, but, in any event, this study appears correct from my own experience.
Thank you for keeping me informed of these recent scientific discoveries.
unenlightenedFebruary 17, 2023 at 16:42#7818450 likes
the therapist has problems getting past the defence mechanisms of AI, and establishing a close rapport.
We looked at flaccid, stretched and erect length and created one large database of measurements.
Imagine stretching, erecting, and measuring dicks across the globe for thirty years. That’s either an incredible dedication to science or a true love of dick.
javi2541997February 17, 2023 at 17:39#7818530 likes
Imagine stretching, erecting, and measuring dicks across the globe for thirty years. That’s either an incredible dedication to science or a true love of dick.
Reply to T Clark 1942 to 2021 is a respectable time frame to study reproductive issues; however the article also reports that erect penile length got longer, from an average of 4.8 inches to 6 inches, over the past 29 years! Given our interest in penises and promiscuity, it seems like gay men would have noticed that much change over this short a length of time. There have been no rumors, unsubstantiated or otherwise, to the happy effect that dicks are getting longer.
The "average dick" (referring here to phalli, and not to T. Clark's apologies for being or not being a dick) has long been between 5 and 6 inches. Asian dicks tend to be shorter, African dicks tend to be longer. European dicks are between the two,
Who cares? Condom manufacturers care.
You could ask Karex Berhad, a Malaysian manufacturer which produces about 5 billion condoms a year. Or Reckitt Benckiser Group- UK, Life Styles Healthcare - Australia, Caution Wear Corp - US - makes the Iron Grip condom, Church & Dwight Co. - US - makes Trojan, Cupid Limited - India, CPR - Germany - makes Siko brand which doesn't work in English, ONE Condoms US, Sagami Rubber Industries Co. and Okamoto Industries - Japan.
Given our interest in penises and promiscuity, it seems like gay men would have noticed that much change over this short a length of time.
The problem is, and I could be wrong here, is that people tend to visit penises of those within a certain age range of their own. That is, I assume the penises you visited in your 20s were also more or less 20 years old, with the penile age of others who you visited aging with you. What this means is that you've not personally experienced the recent societal penis blossoming because it has occurred in those many years your youth.
What I would suggest therefore is that you experimentally for the purposes of scientific research visit upon the youth (>18 of course) and see if there has been this prospering mushrooming of peni or whether the data we've been provided is felatious.
That is, I assume the penises you visited in your 20s were also more or less 20 years old, with the penile age of others who you visited aging with you.
It has not been proved that time passes for the penis at the same rate it does for the rest of the body. A given penis might retire at 40 years age, much to the regret of its otherwise vigorous owner/operator. Another penises might still be vigorous as its owner/operator approaches his grave.
A "visit upon the youth" would provide cross-sectional data on penis size at a particular age. It may be that the Stanford data on penis length was longitudinal (a slice vs. the whole kielbasa). Maybe the data suggest that penises grew in length as their age increased. So, at age 18, 4.8"; at age 38, 6.0". You yourself noticed that your penis enlarges when stimulated (a helpful sign of having a pulse). I read in the Atlanta Constitution that 30 years ago your penis's performance was anemic in comparison to present performance.
Is it a case of use stimulating growth? A penis length study should be made of the several dozen actually successfully celibate priests compared to several dozen sexually prolific celibate priests. What was their dick length in seminary compared to how long was it when they made Monsignor or were defrocked for screwing the entire congregation?
An odd question and an odd post. I am drawn to competence, subtlety, intelligence. There are a few people on the forum who have meant a lot to me. At the top of the list are Timeline, Apokrisis, and StreetlightX. What more reason do I need.
Oh. You made him seem interesting and the majority of his posts were a bit before my time. Just wondering what the guy was about and perhaps taught you throughout the length of his travels is all. Sorry.
You made him seem interesting and the majority of his posts were a bit before my time.
Here are links to a couple of my favorite of Streetlight's threads. As you can tell from the list I provided, his interests were eclectic. I especially appreciated his understanding of science.
It was disappointing. Underneath the pie- or tart-like visible exterior, it turned out to be more of a spongecake than a pie, with nothing identifiable as a piece of plum except those thinly deceptive upper fragments visible in the photograph, and little that I would call actual pastry. I said what the hell, and my wife said that’s what we call a pie here and it’s delicious, stop complaining. Being for some reason very grumpy today, I vehemently disagreed and ranted about how Russians can’t make pies. Later I came to realize that I had been a whining bore and said so, but the damage was done.
Picky Jamal sat down near a well
Partook of purported prune pie.
He stuck in his thumb
But found not even one plum
And damned Slavic pies to hell.
More Than You Want to Know Department:
The rhyme [Little Jack Horner sat in a Corner ... ] references Henry VIII's liquidation of Catholic monasteries. One Thomas Horner was involved. His name was changed to Jack for rhythmic reasons. The Horner family occupied formerly Catholic property granted to them by Henry until the 20th century.
Reply to BC Well with the developments in medicine continuing to advance at the rate it is now, we might still be alive.
the problem is that there will be no one to support us financially.
the problem is that there will be no one to support us financially.
That is the problem. A smaller workforce (and then a smaller population) means (perhaps a much) smaller economy, with fewer surpluses to support people who are past their sell-by dates. This isn't a distant future problem; Japan has been there for a while. Southern Italy is there. Quite a few places are.
One factor in maintaining population numbers is longevity.
In other news, I was at the deli, yet they were out of bread, but I remembered that my arm were made of bread, so I was able to make do with what I had.
Noble DustFebruary 19, 2023 at 04:38#7822750 likes
I just accidentally spent the last hour listening to and recording short wave radio bands. I'm basically addicted. Hopefully bits and pieces will appear as loops/effects/sounds in future songs. This process is tapping into some corner of my brain I didn't know about.
just accidentally spent the last hour listening to and recording short wave radio bands. I'm basically addicted. Hopefully bits and pieces will appear as loops/effects/sounds in future songs. This process is tapping into some corner of my brain I didn't know about.
I was at the park not long ago and they were having a shortwave meet up, filled with middle aged men with pocket protectors and their super model groupies (that part a joke), stringing antenna wire all around in an effort perhaps to contact Mars. I joked at the nerdome to my wife, only to be told I was likely staring into my not too distant future.
You apparently arrived already. Save me a seat.
Noble DustFebruary 19, 2023 at 04:57#7822770 likes
Already there. Is that middle aged? Fuck me if so. I just take my sudden shortwave radio fascination to be a natural extension of my incredibly sensitive and empathetic listening skills, as evidenced by my many model groupies who have told me as much over the years.
javi2541997February 19, 2023 at 05:43#7822850 likes
Someone knows if @Amity is doing well? I checked the profile and it says that the last time active was one month ago. It is weird when some users are not around and you were used to interact with them.
Noble DustFebruary 19, 2023 at 05:48#7822870 likes
I'm sure it was fascinating, but how did it happen 'accidentally'?
Reply to javi2541997 It's always a surprising discovery but people have lives apart from TPF. Perhaps she found someone new and exciting. Like any of us guys, only in the flesh. Shawn has been absent for 8 days.
Or perhaps there was a dreadful accident, a case of flesh-eating streptococci, a radical philosophical conversion, dysfunctional equipment, or an unpaid ISP bill.
You think you'll make it to 80? Then middle age starts at 40. Middle age was the best of time; it was the worst of time. But youth was not so great either. So far, old age has been the tops.
javi2541997February 19, 2023 at 07:00#7823000 likes
Reply to BC I often make some breaks from internet to when life is getting busy. Yet, I don't remember staying out for more than one month. That's why I got worried, I remember Amity as someone who interacts a lot in the forum and she wrote big analyses in Short Story competion of December.
On the other hand, yes I miss @Shawn's photos of pigs too.
It's always a surprising discovery but people have lives apart from TPF
It is interesting because if we calculate with percentages the use of my hours, I guess I interact more with TPF members than persons of "real life". 60 or even 70 % of my life presence is flowing around here.
The other thing that stresses me is that the burden increasingly rests on me to nonsense post, with the rest of you slackers doing as you will, knowing that I'll relieve you of that responsibility by working a double shift.
I mean I even posted an arm sammich, and what do I get in return?
The hypothesis is that wormholes (relativity) ? entanglement (quantum mechanics).
A connection between relativity and quantum mechanics.
I suppose it does make entanglement less "spooky". :)
Hard to imagine full implications; we'll see what comes of it.
Already there. Is that middle aged? Fuck me if so.
I went straight from high school into middle age. I never liked being young - I hated the experience of inexperience and the music and the culture were a turn off. So I got a Harris tweed jacket, started listening to Mahler and never looked back. I hope to slip into old age momentarily...
L'éléphantFebruary 19, 2023 at 19:56#7824370 likes
Here's jambon-beurre sandwich. I don't eat it. But if you like a simple sandwich, this will surprise you.
L'éléphantFebruary 19, 2023 at 19:56#7824380 likes
I went straight from high school into middle age. I never liked being young - I hated the experience of inexperience and the music and the culture were a turn off. So I got a Harris tweed jacket, started listening to Mahler and never looked back. I hope to slip into old age momentarily...
I made some Ethiopian food tonight. The butternut squash stew was better than the beef stew. I made the injera bread from some teff I bought online. Overall it was all good, but the spices and injera were off enough that it didn't taste fully authentic.
If I had it to do over again, I'd go to an African market and be more precise. I need to figure out how to get the texture and sourness of the njera right. It wasn't spongy enough and was a little too pancakey.
For dessert I had a finger muffin. The finger went straight up my nose when I bit in, satisfying my nose picking session for the evening and allowing me to turn in earlier for bed.
I admire your enthusiasm for cooking food from around the world, but what makes you think there is a single 'fully authentic' Ethiopian food flavor? And really, what is "authentic taste" in any cuisine? Is there really only one, and exactly one, 'correct' flavor for any given food?
'Inauthentic versions' of specific cuisines might be uncommonly delicious and in other cases 'authentic' might be another word for disgusting.
Noble DustFebruary 20, 2023 at 04:22#7825440 likes
With no sarcasm I salute you. I’m not at that level yet. You appear to have suddenly eclipsed both @Jamal and myself, the two resident cosmopolitans, in the home cooking game. I will now be forever bitter and butt hurt.
I just watched "The Third Man" after learning it was supposedly one of the top movies of all time.
Meh.
Yeah, it's often the case that sequels get worse the more there are. I really liked "The First Man." "The Second Man" was ok. They should have quit while they were ahead.
Oh here we go again... :lol: different types of squashes. "Calabaza moscada", yes I - more or less - can imagine your dish.
Anyway, African gastronomy is delicious and fantastic. When I attended to college, I had two colleagues from Angola and Equatorial Guinea. They invited me to eat antelope and Yuca (Cassava) and it was so tasty.
Good food is what you like. In that sense, it's not about taste. What is taste? "Taste" seems to suggest some understanding of authenticity, which, as I mentioned, seems to be a consensus thing. To have "good taste" seems to mean you have an understanding of the consensus about authenticity. That doesn't mean I don't like Taco Bell. I do like Taco Bell. But we can still differentiate between "good and bad" food. Health, of course, plays a roll. Authentic food tends to be fairly healthy. If I want to eat "good" food, I'll probably search out "authentic" cuisine. If I don't care, I might make a trip to Taco Bell, and not feel guilty. But I know I'm eating "bad" food, but I'm still enjoying it.
Noble DustFebruary 20, 2023 at 06:42#7825790 likes
Did you know that the Gambia is entirely surrounded by Senegal, except for its coastline, and that from 1982 to 1989 the countries were combined into Senegambia?
Noble DustFebruary 20, 2023 at 07:17#7825910 likes
Reply to Noble Dust Did you also know that Jolof rice is named after the Jolof Empire 1350–1549 and the Jolof Kingdom 1549–1875? I didn’t. There’s a lot of shit to know.
Reply to Noble Dust Because good food is better than bad food, I have never eaten at Taco Bell and never will. White Castle is was low as I will go, and I haven't gone that far down for ... decades.
If 'taste' were only a matter of consensus, then representatives of the masses would be featured in the tastemaker columns of the New York Times and New Yorker rather than the narrow demographic that presently occupies their stables. And reviews would be written about a much different list of restaurants than presently are reviewed.
Sarcasm. I would rather dip my head in boiling lava than eat that in a country where you can get a supremely great bowl of noodles for a dollar on the street.
In Niger-Congo languages, the word for okra is ngombo or quingombo, which explains why gumbo is made from okra, although some forms of gumbo don't have okra, which makes them, per the laws of etymology, inauthentic.
My cat's name is also Gumbo, as she enjoys okra in all its varied forms: pickled, stewed, and fried, although she lives in fear of the cucumber.
Western kids are not allowed to read the word "fat" because they might get upset. Meanwhile, the child slave labourers in the developing world who are too busy providing us with food to be fat don't really exist because we are good people. Perfectly rational world we live in.
Western kids are not allowed to read the word "fat"
[quote=Max Horkheimer, Eclipse of Reason]As in the days of magic, each word is regarded as a dangerous force that might destroy society and for which the speaker must be held responsible. […] The difference between thinking and acting is held void. Thus every thought is regarded as an act; every reflection is a thesis, and every thesis is a watchword. Everyone is called on the carpet for what he says or does not say. Everything and everybody is classified and labeled.[/quote]
I met a Swiss commodities trader who recently visited a supplier of a major banana brand in Haiti. He told me he inspected the place and not one of the workers was over 12 or had even a pair of shoes. But don't upset the kids! Give them a banana!
Did you also know that Jolof rice is named after the Jolof Empire 1350–1549 and the Jolof Kingdom 1549–1875?
Little known fact is that Basmati rice was named after Joe "Riceface" Basmati, a notorious gangster who controlled the rice trade and would bust heads down at the pier, who was eventually sent away for killing Uncle Ben for moving in on his wife Jasmine and making her sticky rice.
I met a Swiss commodities trader who recently visited a supplier of a major banana brand in Haiti. He told me he inspected the place and not one of the workers was over 12 or had even a pair of shoes. But don't upset the kids! Give them a banana!
But if we take the banana business away from the kids, they kids won't even have bananas.
Did you know that the Gambia is entirely surrounded by Senegal
If you look at it on a map, the Gambia has a really funny border. It looks like it is defined as about 6 miles from the Gambia River, so the border meanders the same way the river does. I assume it was set up by negotiation between interests during colonial times. Africa has other odd borders e.g. the Caprivi Strip, a long thin panhandle in the northeast corner of Namibia which the Germans grabbed to give access to the Zambesi River. Europeans and their progeny ruin everything.
Given my strong interest in metaphysics I'm thinking about starting a thread about a new ontological approach I call "metawiki," which includes the presupposition that if something isn't listed in Wikipedia, it doesn't exist.
Are wooden phalli the source of the expression "knock on wood" for good luck?
No, what you have been exposed to here provides the origin of the expression "woody," describing an untiring erection, which is not only represented by this recent find, but also by various other dildi in this same geographic region, generally descibed as Upper Phallactia.
No, what you have been exposed to here provides the origin of the expression "woody," describing an untiring erection, which is not only represented by this recent find, but also by various other dildi in this same geographic region, generally descibed as Upper Phallactia.
Can it be a coincidence that Dido was the legendary queen and founder of Carthage, Rome's primary military opponent in the Mediterranean.
Max Horkheimer, Eclipse of Reason:As in the days of magic, each word is regarded as a dangerous force that might destroy society and for which the speaker must be held responsible. […] The difference between thinking and acting is held void. Thus every thought is regarded as an act; every reflection is a thesis, and every thesis is a watchword. Everyone is called on the carpet for what he says or does not say. Everything and everybody is classified and labeled.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. Tracht gut vet zein gut.
Noble DustFebruary 20, 2023 at 22:36#7828180 likes
The page "Philosophy forums" does not exist. You can create a draft and submit it for review, or you may create the page "Philosophy forums" directly, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.
In recent weeks, members have claimed that nothing exists but me, quantum mechanics proves that nothing exists, substance does not exist, and so on and so on. My formulation is no odder than those. A little-known alternative version of Occam's Razor states - "Other things being equal, there is no reason to choose between equally goofy explanations."
Reply to T Clark Oh, sure. It's just that if you take as your criteria for a thing's existing that it's listed in wikipedia, and if this forum is not listed on wikipedia, then you will be starting a thread on a non-existent forum.
It's just that if you take as your criteria for a thing's existing that it's listed in wikipedia, and if this forum is not listed on wikipedia, then you will be starting a thread on a non-existent forum.
And that's still not as goofy as solipsism, but people talk about that as if were worth discussing.
Noble DustFebruary 21, 2023 at 03:50#7828870 likes
Seems like the time is ripe to make the TPF wiki page a reality. All sources would be primary. Each regular member could even have their own dedicated page, also backed by our robust primary source while retaining individual anonymity.
Seems like the time is ripe to make the TPF wiki page a reality.
I'm not going to do it. Although it may seem as if I am to @Banno and other less sophisticated members, I am not in fact a philosopher, as much as I may appear to be. But, in line with my hypothetical profession, I talk about everything, but actually do nothing.
I'm intrigued. I know I've had Costa Rican coffee before, but I can't place it's terroir off the top of my head. What you describe sounds like what I like. I'll have to find a boujee roastery in Brooklyn that purveys the stuff.
Reply to javi2541997 I much prefer freshly roasted and ground coffee for breakfast - a darker roast, preferably, with frothed milk, sourced from Costa Rica, Sumatra, wherever.
Unfortunately, that involves a bit too much cash and effort. I generally settle for Aldi's German Roast. It is an adequate source of caffeine; it's brown, wet, and hot.
Exquisite coffee can not be made from rubbish beans, but given at least very good beans, I think a lot of the goodness is added -- or ruined -- by the roaster. That said, some coffees (same roaster) just have more and better fragrance, flavor, body, mouth feel... magic.
Costa Rica is one of the countries I have almost moved to. I was going to be living in a beach house surrounded by howler monkeys. Fell through. I told myself I wouldn’t have liked it anyway, because of the howler monkeys and the biggest spiders in the world.
The other country was Papua New Guinea.
javi2541997February 21, 2023 at 06:21#7829100 likes
Isn’t this like saying “I recommend you to taste France’s cheese”?
Or Scotland's whisky! :lol: (sorry I feel so motivated and nervous for drinking coffee in the morning)
javi2541997February 21, 2023 at 06:26#7829120 likes
Reply to BC Exactly. That's what I intended to explain. Costa Rican coffee has flavor, body, mouth feel, etc... it is different from Shanghai coffee or Darkhan. These two are hard and the taste is more solid.
I have different coffees around the world and it is crazy how the taste variates depending on the country. African coffees are in the top too: Kenya, Ivory Coast and Madagascar. This three are so good.
Reply to Jamal France has too many varieties of cheese to be governed, but what makes Costa Rican coffee so good? They say:
REASON #1: BAD COFFEE IS LITERALLY AGAINST THE LAW. (as well it should be)
Costa Rica has not one, not two, but eight distinct regions that produce their own unique flavor of coffee. The country’s diverse climate leads to a huge variety of microclimates and humidity, all perfect for growing different varieties of beans.
One of the most famous regions is Tarrazú, renowned for its acidic taste and heavy havy aromas. Brunca produces moderate flavors, while Valle Occidental is recognized for the subtle hint of peaches and apricots in its beans. The diversity of climates and changes in humidity give each region distinct flavors, so you can enjoy Costa Rican coffee eight different ways.
Our diverse tropical climate allows us to produce a diverse array of coffee flavors to suit all tastes. The eight growing regions each have has special characteristics and are famous for different aspects of their flavor, so you can enjoy Costa Rican coffee eight different ways.
javi2541997February 21, 2023 at 06:26#7829140 likes
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. Tracht gut vet zein gut.
The internet told me this means “Think good, it will be good,” which I can add to my growing arsenal of handy Yiddish sayings. On the other hand, it reminds me too much of my ex-girlfriend, who didn’t speak Yiddish but was into the Law of Attraction, which expresses the same thought, though in a more annoying way.
Reply to Banno He was an anthropologist -- apparently worth something. Had he been a philosophy professor, they'd have left him alone, such having no ransom value whatsoever.
Don’t worry. When you’re drinking whisky in the morning is when you have to start worrying.
We have a specific name in Spanish for such act: "carajillo", when you drink both coffee and whisky in the morning. The soldiers who fought against USA back in 1898 with the aim of keeping Puerto Rico and Cuba, drank such "potion" to fight against American soldiers.
It wasn't effective...
javi2541997February 21, 2023 at 07:06#7829230 likes
We use the term “Dutch courage”, which apparently goes back to the Anglo–Dutch war of 1665. The idea was that the Dutch had to be drunk to be brave in battle, which in my experience is still true today.
We use the term “Dutch courage”, which apparently goes back to the Anglo–Dutch war of 1665.
Little known fact. On August 8, 1666, war wearied Dutch soldier Johannes Van der Cleek and British soldier Charles Turnipseed met in the DMZ separating The Netherlands and England (go with me here) and shared a meal at the Happy Family Cafe. When the check came an argument ensued over payment, with a final resolution that they'd split the bill. This charming agreement ended the war, and that arrangement was hencetoforthforward forever referred to as "going Dutch." The French donated a statue of Johannes and Henry in a grinding embrace to mark the occasion and it still stands erect in Windmill Square in Dutchland just where the dike blocks the sea.
Reply to HanoverReply to Jamal In reality the English were a bunch of whiny bitches that couldn't win from a country about 1/20th its size so they came up with a bunch of pejoratives so they could at least still feel superior.
Instead of replying in kind we came up with "you ain't much, if you ain't Dutch".
Reply to Jamal My favorite part of the story upon a re-read is that I changed the name of the British soldier from Charles to Henry, unable to remember the names for even a paragraph. That might be a new literary device I've just discovered, where the story teller is so incompetent you can't be sure anything you're reading makes sense.
In reality the English were a bunch of whiny bitches that couldn't win from a country about 1/20th its size so they came up with a bunch of pejoratives so they could at least still feel superior.
True. They did the same with Scotland.
But today, the English are without exception a bunch of decent chaps and chapesses.
universenessFebruary 21, 2023 at 16:04#7830080 likes
Boris Johnson (likes a swally, talks shite, sense of humour)
Karl Marx (likes a swally, strong opinions, philosophically interesting)
Engels (he can buy all the booze)
Jesus Christ and his brother Joseph Christ.
Moses and his sister Miriam and the evil Pharoah
Benjamin Button when he was really old but instead really young
Jack Sprat and his wife of ryhme.
The smell of victory
Herculeus and his brother Corky @Baden and Porat
That girl in my high school math class who I secretely admired my freshman year who I don't remember her name, but I want her version back then and not so much whatever she looks like 40+ years later, but it would be weird now that I'm older and she would be too young for me now, but this is a fantasy, so I can say whatever I want, but I feel like this description is going on too long and you guys are tired of all this blah blah blah.
James K. Polk, former President of the US.
Debbie Gibson, that singer who used to sing in malls.
Ice Cream, not the name of a fictional rapper, but the actual food, but not to eat, but to dine with.
Three strippers way past their prime who really just needed the pay.
Bertrand Russell
Billy the Kid and the Sundance Kid and Kidd Rock (the whole Kid(d) family)
Bing Crosby
I've always been intrigued by Papua New Guinea. It shares half it's landmass with Indonesia. It was one of the last places where they still found people that had never seen modern outsiders before up till the 1940s. The land of cannibals. Which, I'm sure, just shows my ignorance. On the eastern side it has lots of smaller islands - New Britain, New Ireland - and it was in the center of fighting in World War 2. The battle of the Coral Sea, the first major sea battle between the Allies and Japan, took place in it's waters in 1942, just five months after Pearl Harbor.
In reality the English were a bunch of whiny bitches that couldn't win from a country about 1/20th its size so they came up with a bunch of pejoratives so they could at least still feel superior.
I've visited Europe twice and I loved the Netherlands both times. First off, they named it "The Netherlands," "Pais Bas." It's a nation of engineers and, as an engineer, I felt at home there. On the other hand, I didn't like the North Sea oysters we got in Noordwijk aan Zee. Very strong flavor. Here's a picture taken in an outside restaurant on the beach in October.
The land of cannibals. Which, I'm sure, just shows my ignorance
Pretty sure there was some people-eating going on there not long ago.
Otherwise, you know more than I do. Except I also know that its dense tropical forests contain birds of paradise and tree kangaroos, and I also know that there are 839 languages spoken in the country.
My oyster story is there was this guy and he said he was going to eat two dozen oysters, so I ordered 25 so that I could win the contest he didn't know we were playing, and so they brought me out the 25th oyster, which was the size of a chicken breast, and so I draped it over a cracker and chewed as quickly as a could to try to gulp it down, and then I felt like maybe I'd vomit, but I was able to chew and gag it down and then I was ok and I won that contest.
The guy's response to the whole thing was that he told me he was 62 years old and he didn't care about my challenges. I told him that was what losers say.
Hmmm... We have local mussels but not oysters. I actually live 10 minutes from Noordwijk aan Zee. I go there if I go to the beach.
I just assumed they were local. It's more interesting if they were, so I'm sticking with it. I'm a believer in Hanoverian epistemology - the truth is what makes the best story.
[Edit to clarify] I wrote this post before I read @Hanover's most recent one.
Another oyster story was when I was at the beach and I ate a bunch of oysters and drank a bunch of beer from this stand they had right there on the beach. As I walked in the hot sand and stumbled around, I thought I was once again going to vomit, but I held it down, but did note to myself that there were better breakfasts out there for next time.
To the extent oysters or vomits have hands, they typically do go hand in hand.
In my opinion, the icy waters of the North Sea are ideal for producing firm-fleshed and refined oysters, and the huge tidal flats along the Dutch, German, and Danish coasts make ideal habitat for both wild and farmed. This has been a refuge for European Flat oysters for centuries, and it still holds some of the finest remaining wild and cultivated beds, but warming temperatures have caused a massive invasion of Pacific oysters along North Sea coasts. While most people have focused on the environmental concerns from this invasion, few have considered the culinary opportunities: Unlimited quantities of one of world’s tastiest critters growing in perfect conditions, free for the taking. Get going, oyster entrepreneurs!
Copied that from Oysterater.com. With Oysterater, you can quickly look up every oyster in existence and see what others have to say about it
I found a pearl in an oyster once. It was oblong and grayish, possibly not of the highest quality. I kept it with the thought that one day I would string together a necklace and would adorn my lady's neck with it, but I lost both the pearl and the lady and was left with just the memory of the briny taste from both the oyster and my tears.
What I would like to think is that with each ridiculous story I tell, a readership of 4 or 5 people from around the globe chuckle to themselves. That's all I really need.
My least favorite bivalve is the clam. They are really chewy and you don't know when to swallow them, but you eventually just do because you feel you''ve chewed long enough.
Once we were eating at a restaraunt and my kid was in a child's chair and the lady behind him was seated in a plastic chair, but due to her heft, the chair finally threw in the towel and its legs parted about and she went flailing onto the floor. She knocked my kid's chair forward toward the table, making him ask why the table came closer to him.
She was wrestled from the ground to her feet where she then left, her food still uneaten.
I had the fried crab platter that day.
Noble DustFebruary 21, 2023 at 22:18#7830990 likes
What’s the consensus on scallops? I’m on the fence; I find them to have an odd after taste. On the other hand, I haven’t had them in years and am overdue on a retry.
Reply to Noble Dust I'm a huge fan of the scallop. The problem is it's usually too expensive of a menu item and you leave hungry because you don't get many.
What’s the consensus on scallops? I’m on the fence; I find them to have an odd after taste. On the other hand, I haven’t had them in years and am overdue on a retry.
Scallops are my favorite bivalve, my favorite seafood. Eating fried or seared fresh bay scallops feels like eating steak. I like oysters raw; clams raw if young and small or in chowder if old and big; and muscles steamed.
I was in Annapolis MD over the weekend. The Chesapeake Bay is known for it's seafood, especially crabs and oysters. We ordered oysters on the half-shell and they only had them available from Massachusetts and PEI. The bay has been polluted and overfished for decades.
Reply to Noble Dust Scallops that were at home a matter of hours before they met a hot pan should not have an odd fore- or -after taste unless home was downstream from Consolidated Chemical's drain pipe. I have tasted some horrible seafood in Minneapolis that seems to have had an unfortunate encounter with embalming fluid.
You are eating in New York, which ought to be able to command truckloads of recently fished scallops. Might be worth your time investigating who is poisoning your food.
The time before the last I had scallops some of you had't been born yet; it was at Legal Seafood in Boston. They were heavenly. The next time (15 years ago) was in Corbin, Kentucky -- not a recognized scallop producing area. They were from the local Kroger Supermarket and eminently satisfactory.
I looked up types of bivalves and saw that cockles were a type. I felt like that wasn't real, but just a set up for a joke about eating or sucking cockles, so I refuse to go there.
I lived in Cambridge MA in the 1970s and went to the original Legal Seafood in Inman Square. We sat at shared picnic tables and were served by gruff Boston waitresses. Legal branched out to many more restaurants, including some in other states, but was always a pretty good place to get seafood. I've stopped going recently. It's always been a bit expensive, but the original owners recently sold to a conglomerate and they decided to cut down the menu. They got rid of their fish chowder, which is my favorite food in the world. It was wonderful.
You’re not the first person I’ve met to tell me this, which is partly why I feel the need to grab a bag and cook them up in some butter and lemon. There’s an excellent fishery down the street from my job. Are they seasonal at all? What sides do you pair them with?
You’re not the first person I’ve met to tell me this, which is partly why I feel the need to grab a bag and cook them up in some butter and lemon. There’s an excellent fishery down the street from my job. Are they seasonal at all? What sides do you pair them with?
I eat them in summer, but I don't know if season matters. Oysters like cooler water, but I don't know about scallops. I love them fried with a light batter. At hoity-toityer restaurants they sear them. Use large bay scallops. Put them in a hot pan with a little butter and let them cook till they brown and crisp on one side, then flip them over. They need very little cooking. The center will be warm and will just have lost its translucence.
As for sides, this will sound weird. I really like them with sweet potatoes mashed with butter and a little brown sugar. I don't know why, but they really go together for me. It also works for cod and other whitefish. If I wasn't going to eat that, I think I'd have spinach. What do you normally eat with fish?
Maybe there's a Captain D's that can fill the void from your special place going bad.
Boston doesn't have a lot of national chain seafood restaurants, what with the sea and all. I think the closest Red Lobster is in Philadelphia. There are lots of little clam shacks and small local restaurants.
My replacement is a pretty good local Chinese restaurant. Peking raviolis, chicken wings, two Bud Lites and I'll all set.
I’ve never had them. What can you tell me? What shit do you know?
Plump, soft, and succulent. Spaghetti alle vongole in the UK is usually made with them, because they’re the famous local clams.
The common cockle, (Cerastoderma edule), is widely distributed around the coastlines of Northern Europe, with a range extending west to Ireland, the Barents Sea in the north, Norway in the east, and as far south as Senegal.
Senegal came out of nowhere at the end there. It all comes back to Senegal.
I definitely would NOT do this to scallops, but cod fish, especially left-overs, goes well with stewed tomatoes which are generally slightly sweetened.
As for scallops, nothing very intensely flavored, else it will swamp the scallop flavor. That's the problems of Manhattan clam chowder -- the clam flavor is lost in the sauce.
That's the problems of Manhattan clam chowder -- the clam flavor is lost in the sauce.
Yes. I never got the point of Manhattan chowder. It's just tomato soup. In Maryland they do the same thing with crab, which has a more delicate flavor than clam. I've had a few milk or cream soups with crab, and even with them the crab flavor is lost.
Noble DustFebruary 22, 2023 at 06:09#7831860 likes
Thanks, Clarky. Despite being a dumpster compressor when it comes to food, I don't much care for sweet potatoes. As to what I normally eat with fish, I guess it skews on the fresh salad side. Maybe a starch as in some rice, but it's pretty malleable.
Noble DustFebruary 22, 2023 at 06:18#7831930 likes
Reply to Noble Dust For me it should be haddock and the chips should be soggy. I don’t know the precise composition of a good batter but I know it when I eat it, fondle it, masticate it.
Most fish suppers I’ve had have been bad (too oily or the batter too thick or the fish overcooked) but when it’s good it’s really good.
Fish is blackened and served over rice with a side of spicy collards. That's how I'd make it. If you're more Midwest and prefer blander flavors, you grill but don't blacken and you substitute steamed broccoli and carrots for the collards.
An important fish ingredient is salt, but that doesn't apply to crustaceans, where the key is butter, with shrimp going either way, but I prefer the salty spicy of blackened there too.
Reply to T Clark That's where I grew up. My brother and I used to fish right off that clearing on the left of the picture. We'd drag large nets across the water and dredge up the mud, killing most of the grass and weeds from the bottom and causing all sorts of black sediment to cake up on the shores. We'd get only a few mussels from that, which we'd skip across the water for fun. The dragging would kill a bunch of fish that the buzzards would circle around and finally pick at until they decayed, the feral cats finishing off the remains.
Those were good times, but we moved away after pops burned the family home for the insurance money.
Thanks for sharing that pic. Knocked my socks off as well.
Over the weekend I went to a restaurant in Annapolis with my family. I tried rockfish, striped bass, for the first time. It was great. It's the Maryland state fish.
It's my understanding that the state fish of Georgia is those little cardboard fish sticks we used to get on Fridays in elementary school.
My brother and I used to fish right off that clearing on the left of the picture.
It is my understanding that the men in the picture were not fishing. They were searching for one of Jack the Ripper's victims. When asked why they were looking in France instead of London, the detective in charge said "The light was better there."
Metaphysician UndercoverFebruary 22, 2023 at 22:45#7833380 likes
Those were good times, but we moved away after pops burned the family home for the insurance money.
That story knocked my socks off. Hey, I've never heard that saying like that ...but I like it. What I'm more used to is something like "knocked me clean out of my socks".
Reply to T Clark :nerd: That's because the "fishy" smell is produced by amines, which have a free pair of electrons, and acid (as a proton donor) binds to them so you can neither smell nor taste the amines! (also, acid just makes food taste good... but there's your tidbit of science of the day)
That's because the "fishy" smell is produced by amines, which have a free pair of electrons, and acid (as a proton donor) binds to them so you can neither smell nor taste the amines!
Thank you for the science/cooking lesson for today.
The Cat Came Back is not a long song, it just seems to go on for hours.
"The Muppet Show" is on my list of my 10 favorite TV shows. Of course my top 10 list includes more than 10 shows. That's kind of like when motivational speakers and football coaches tell people to give 110% effort.
javi2541997February 23, 2023 at 06:56#7834600 likes
It's my anniversary: I joined TPF two years ago :grin:
MLB curtails infield shift, hopes for more singles, speed
This is for @Noble Dust and other baseball lovers. Here's a link to an article from the AP on changes in infielder placement I would characterize as goofy. I don't mean that as a bad thing. As I've said before, I don't enjoy watching baseball, but I like the idea of it. I'm glad it exists as one of our most philosophical sports. All the odd rules make it a good metaphor for something... I'm not sure what.
javi2541997February 23, 2023 at 19:33#7835750 likes
Reply to BC :up: I know where that Ad comes from. The organization is "alimentos de España" as you can see bottom right.
There is a "motivational" ad that usually appears in our channels. It shows up a chef saying: "I am from the richest country of the world" and then it shows images of products and agriculture of Spain. The spot ends saying: Alimentos de España, the richest country of the world.
They use a trick with the words because "rico" (rich) means "tasty" too.
The dish that appears in the image is called "indurain" and is typical of Basque Country.
javi2541997February 23, 2023 at 19:36#7835760 likes
I’ve had those, actually. They carry them at the Thai grocery store in Chinatown here. I tried to buy the larb flavor as I love that dish, but the woman behind the counter made me buy the plain and Tom yum flavors instead. They were both…intense.
Noble DustFebruary 23, 2023 at 20:45#7835970 likes
What’s actually goofy is the defensive trend that lead to that rule change. Teams were doing ridiculous infield shifts where the second basement was in right field. It was based on statistically generated percentages of where a specific batter usually hits the ball. The shifts were sucking a lot of the fun out of the game. 10-20 years ago, the best hitter in the game would finish the season with a batting average of like .350-.360. Last year the leader had something like .310. The shifts had a lot to do with that, so eliminating them should make the game more exciting. Baseball had always been a statistics driven game, but it’s gotten out of hand recently.
Ah, nice. And I definitely recommend the larb flavour. I don't know where mine came from though. Snacks like that just appear in my kitchen on a fairly regular basis. One of the more amusing is "Giant Sheet" seaweed :snicker:
What’s actually goofy is the defensive trend that lead to that rule change. Teams were doing ridiculous infield shifts where the second basement was in right field. It was based on statistically generated percentages of where a specific batter usually hits the ball. The shifts were sucking a lot of the fun out of the game. 10-20 years ago, the best hitter in the game would finish the season with a batting average of like .350-.360. Last year the leader had something like .310. The shifts had a lot to do with that, so eliminating them should make the game more exciting. Baseball had always been a statistics driven game, but it’s gotten out of hand recently.
You're right. This explanation takes a lot of the goofiness out of the new rule. On the other hand, it significantly increases the meta-goofiness of baseball overall.
Some guy:...This is the way the world ends. This is the way the world ends. This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Some other guy:Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
...From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
A different guy:...now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Several other guys:...It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it,
and I feel fine...
Some female guy:...Why does my heart go on beating?
Why do these eyes of mine cry?
Don't they know it's the end of the world?
It ended when you said "Goodbye"
When I was a kid, there were trees in the baseball field, so you had to figure out how to play off the tree. A lot of times you forgot to clarify if it hit certain branches whether it was a home run or not, so a lot of time was spent arguing. And even when we did clarify before hand, David would remember it different and we'd be back to arguing.
I think a tree would be better than new shift rules, but no matter what you do, there'll be a David and they'll say the rule was not like you agreed.
I know in real baseball, they maybe write it down and can point to it, but I'll bet a David will somehow come up with another book where he wrote it and it'll be back to arguing which book is the right one.
Then it gets dark and the ball about knocks you in the head because how can you see it coming in the dark?
Mr John Clarke: is a sport which began in Mesopotamia, which literally means ‘between the rivers’. This would put it somewhere in Victoria or New South Wales between the Murray and the Darling. The word Farnarkeling is Icelandic in structure, Urdu in metre and Celtic in the intimacy of its relationship between meaning and tone.
Farnarkeling is engaged in by two teams whose purpose is to arkle, and to prevent the other team from arkeling, using a flukem to propel a gonad through sets of posts situated at random around the periphery of a grommet. Arkeling is not permissible, however, from any position adjacent to the phlange (or leiderkrantz) or from within 15 yards of the wiffenwacker at the point where the shifting tube abuts the centre-line on either side of the 34 metre mark, measured from the valve at the back of the defending side’s transom-housing.
Reply to T Clark Out of respect I’ve decided to assume that this John Clarke fellow was actually very funny, and that what is presented above is entirely unrepresentative.
On the field I played on as a kid, the poison ivy was a homerun.
That's a ground rule double.
"Two bases can also be awarded per home park ground rules—rules created to provide for unique playing conditions of a specific ballpark. For example, ground rules govern the situation when a batted ball is lodged in the ivy at Wrigley Field, or the walkways near the ceiling of Tropicana Field, a domed stadium."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_rule_double
To the extent you've awarded home runs in that situation, I am going to go ahead and enter my protest and ask that you reconvene those contests at the point of the erroneous ruling on the field. After you have completed those games properly, please notify me of the outcomes so that I can modify the official record and give credit where it is due.
If you have problems locating some of the players, please let me know and I will decide how to issue forfeits as necessary.
Out of respect I’ve decided to assume that this John Clarke fellow was actually very funny, and that what is presented above is entirely unrepresentative.
You know, I never thought of that. I should have been more sensitive.
As you should know, the rules of Little Kid Baseball (LKB) require that all rule arguments be settled without reference to facts or actual rules of any kind. Consistent with that, in 1983 the Supreme Court ruled in LKB vs. Roxanne Royal et. al. that Title IX, which prohibits sexual discrimination in sports, does not apply to letting girls play.
Today my wife was charged by an aggressive Shetland pony with a outsize schlong. At the time I was fondling a goat’s ears so I couldn’t do anything to help, but she escaped unhurt anyway.
Today my wife was charged by an aggressive Shetland pony with a outsize schlong. At the time I was fondling a goats ears so I couldn’t do anything to help, but she escaped unhurt anyway.
Someone should warn Jamal that @Hanover has stolen his Philosophy Forum password.
As you should know, the rules of Little Kid Baseball (LKB) require that all rule arguments be settled without reference to facts or actual rules of any kind. Consistent with that, in 1983 the Supreme Court ruled in LKB vs. Roxanne Royal et. al. that Title IX, which prohibits sexual discrimination in sports, does not apply to letting girls play in LKB games.
I'll show you the way a protest is properly handled textbook style by the Atlanta Braves.
https://youtu.be/X-6ujbLknUc
You complain, throw shit all over the field, and then declare your protest. If you want to see an umpire writing a "P" in the sky to indicate the protest, look at beginning at 3:20 on the video. Just so you know the procedure, but make sure to throw shit on the field first.
Today my wife was charged by an aggressive Shetland pony with a outsize schlong. At the time I was fondling a goats ears so I couldn’t do anything to help, but she escaped unhurt anyway.
My wife is constantly trying to escape an outsized schlong, but to no avail.
I really wish the mailman would just deliver the mail.
Let's let our goofy baseball rule expert have a say in this. - Hey, Noble Dust, I thought the infield fly rule applied in the...well...infield.
Exactly. Which explains the throwing shit on the field.
It was a playoff game, so the protest might have delayed the next game, so the commissioner, who was at the game, overruled the appeal from the stands.
It was the goat/schlong conjunction. I did a quick calculation and determined that the odds against monkeys, or anyone other than @Hanover for that matter, typing "schlong" and "goat" together were, as statisticians like to say, unpossible.
For the ladies, my favorite term is cooter. It has a nice trailer park ring to it
The trailer park and the synagogue, two terms never before appearing in the same sentence, have been a major influence in my life, and it warms my cockles to hear my influence has spread.
Triple extendere for those keeping score. Cockles: our favorite bivalve, my innermost feelings, and my schling schlong.
Feel free to use that variation just introduced at your discretion
Noble DustFebruary 24, 2023 at 21:30#7838620 likes
Reply to Banno Remember most Americans don't really have a sense of humour (unless they are Jewish) that's why they need a laugh track for their dreadful sitcoms. :wink:
Remember Americans don't really have a sense of humour (unless they are Jewish) that's why they need a laugh track for their dreadful sitcoms. :wink:
American comedy shows never use laugh tracks. They are only added to shows being shipped off to the southern hemisphere. They asked us not to tell you so you wouldn't feel bad.
I'll pay that - Used by Australians to positively affirm a statement/opinion someone makes/has. The saying originates from Australian Rules Football, Australia's national sport, where an umpire "pays" a free kick, a mark (catch from a kick), etc.
Remember most Americans don't really have a sense of humour (unless they are Jewish) that's why they need a laugh track for their dreadful sitcoms. :wink:
I'm so glad to be your monkey grinder clown to entertain you. 5000 years if oppression, struggle, and perseverance just to see you smile at my antics makes it all worth while.
Reply to Hanover It's true, by and large your people have made the entertainment industry worth something. It's a small price to pay for the smiles on all those Calvinist faces. Thanks for your persecution. :pray:
It's true, by and large your people have made the entertainment industry worth something. It's a small price to pay for the smiles on all those Calvinist faces. Thanks for your persecution.
Happy to serve.
A better touch would have been to say "you people" instead of "your people." Little things like that matter in the humor bidness, but an understandable goyishe mistake.
But it interesting to note that the laugh-track was an American invention to help audiences know when something was funny. This is either because they had no sense of humour, or the jokes were bad. Or both. Eventually all things US spread elsewhere in the great coca-colonization of Earth.
Reply to Tom Storm
I realize it was a joke. I cannot expiate the sins of Americans, but the makers of Bennie Hill have their own cross to bear.
I theorize that the laugh track was introduced in order to draw attention away from being a lonely stumblefuck with the illusion you were sharing this moment with others.
true, by and large your people have made the entertainment industry worth something. It's a small price to pay for the smiles on all those Calvinist faces. Thanks for your persecution
So you turned off the tv when a black comedian was performing?
Reply to Jamal Does that really mean that you cannot afford them, or that you don't know what they are, or that you never never tried them, or that you cannot find them where you live, or did I miss something?
Visited upon my local bivlavery yestreen and partook upon the varied mussel and scallop pickings. . Generally satisfied, I departed without typical gripe, and upon arriving at my dwelling, laid myself upon my bedding and fell into a near deathsleep, only to be aroused by the burning laser of sunlight in the morn.
I call this style formal anachronistic neverspeak. It's the way that people used to not talk while clothed in clothes never worn, like steampunk.
Made onion, thyme, dried Mexican pepper, garlic, and diced red potato omelets for breakfast. Added some salt and paprika seasoning as well, with farm fresh eggs just emerged from the bird's love canal.
Green Smoothy for breakfast, consisting of several kinds of lettuce, spinach, yogurt, one apple, one avocado, some pineapple, some banana, kombucha, and some ice.
Reply to Banno Why not? At the very least it fits into political philosophy and the intersection between dominant culture, colonisation, inclusion and reconciliation.
Noble DustFebruary 26, 2023 at 02:32#7841560 likes
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Inspired by @javi2541997 and my increasing efforts to reduce food waste, breakfast included a piece of rye toast topped with salted roma tomato and cheap extra virgin olive oil. I'm sure it was a sad American caricature of the real thing, but for using up ingredients that would otherwise go bad, it hit the spot. Accompanied by my normal light breakfast of skyr yogurt and coffee. I'll be repeating the next few days as long as the bread and tomato stay good.
I'll be repeating the next few days as long as the bread and tomato stay good.
You will not believe it but in my college era I ate that two times per day, oftenly. Just 1 € in my local coffee shop, it was so awesome.
(I think I am trying to cover up the fact that we the Spaniards are just obsessed with eating a slice of bread with oil and tomato :rofl: )
javi2541997February 26, 2023 at 19:55#7843110 likes
Cartoon is OK. Pity its creator is a brain-dead racist (currently on Twitter defending his remarks in a way that will appeal to fellow brain-dead racists).
That's what I take for breakfast everyday, I wasn't referring to a special meal
Oh I know; like I said, I'm just trying to use up leftovers that will otherwise go bad. Not exactly special. Very tasty, however! I look forward to trying it in American tomato season (around August through October), and with good olive oil and good bread.
I mean, I assume there are differences. I've had Greek, Icelandic, Syrian, Indian, all different from one another. Full fat skyr with fruit added is thick and essentially tastes like frozen yogurt ice cream but not as sweet. I get the health benefits and the simulated experience of eating ice cream at the same time.
javi2541997February 26, 2023 at 21:14#7843350 likes
Reply to javi2541997 Fried green tomatoes have not been discussed. I'm surprised Hanover hasn't mentioned them. We had fried green tomatoes in the fall after everyone was tired of juicy, ripe red tomatoes and it was too late in the season for the green ones to ripen.
Slice several green tomatoes.
Dip each slice in beaten egg and then
Roll the slice in saltine cracker crumbs. [@Hanover another silent 'b', influenced by "crumble". Dumb, on the other hand, seems to have derived its spelling from Old Norse dumbr and Gothic dumbs ‘mute’. I knew you wanted to be informed.]
Fry in oil, turn when lightly browned. Salt, pepper
Serve hot.
The green tomatoes should be reasonably large, and on the verge of turning pink.
Sometimes served as a side with a main of barbecued Frank Bennett (see the movie, Fried Green Tomatoes).
Here's a picture of fried green tomatoes.
Noble DustFebruary 26, 2023 at 22:01#7843760 likes
Cartoon is OK. Pity its creator is a brain-dead racist (currently on Twitter defending his remarks in a way that will appeal to fellow brain-dead racists).
Sad to see him (and many others) have a meltdown brought on by the toxic kool-aid they’ve been drinking. Maybe he’s aiming for a cabinet-level position in another Chump presidency. At which point, I sail the Great Lakes, seeking asylum in Canada... or Sweden, which is next to Canada as I remember from my one geography class.
Noble DustFebruary 26, 2023 at 22:16#7843930 likes
Reply to BC Fried green tomatoes are usually available as a side in southern restaurants, but I've never actually made them. Green tomatoes aren't generally available at the supermarket, so you'd have to grow your own and pick them before ripe, which seems a waste of the better dripping red ones.
One thing you may not know, and that is tomatoes are eaten like apples, where you just bite right into them and have them drip down your chin, like a spent lover.
Yesterday I made a salad of charred zucchini slices, sheep's feta, Grampians garlic-infused olive oil and fresh basil leaves - all the veggies fresh from my garden. Breakfast was that same on toast with fried tomatoes fresh from the vine.
L'éléphantFebruary 26, 2023 at 23:00#7844190 likes
The Scots and English fry their tomatoes on the griddle. I remember that, and then there's that strange baked beans and toast thing,. I'm thinking a hundred years ago someone was out of food, so they convinced their kids that the lonely can of beans in the cupboard made a great breakfast food, and it sort of stuck.
Reply to Hanover My recent preference is to use a flat pan at very high heat to induce a Maillard reaction in the skin while keeping the middle of the tomatoes at relatively low temperature, preserving their aromatics. I usually throw in some oregano, which burns to a crisp but in the process releases a very pleasant anticipatory smell.
The remainder of lunch - an impromptu event for unexpected guests - was fresh whole cherry tomatoes prepared in this way, focaccia, warmed; falafels, humus, cucumber shaved with lemon juice and zest, and a few pickles.
Reply to 0 thru 9Reply to BannoReply to Baden I watched several of Scott Adams' YouTube blogs after I heard about Dilbert being cancelled and that he had called black people a hate group. [The relevant video is in Episode 2027 of Scott Adams vlog, starting at 13:28]
He began with the results of a Rasmusson poll in which 1000 Americans were asked subjects if it was OK to be white. 26% of blacks said 'no', and 21% were not sure. So "47% of black respondents were not willing to say it was OK to be white." Adams says that that makes blacks a hate group. "The best advice I can give for white people is to stay the hell away from black people." "There's no fixing this; this can't be fixed."
I don't know whether most, many, or hardly any white people agree with Scott Adams that blacks are a hate group. Probably not. I don't think black people are a hate group. It does seems clear enough that a majority of white people prefer communities where black people are NOT in close proximity or do NOT exceed a minimum.
So, 2 points:
The statement that black people are a hate group was connected to this Rasmusson Poll, which is behind a pay wall. He takes up the poll and makes comments on what the poll meant, or seems to mean.
The other thing is that what he was suggesting white people should do is what white people have been doing for a long time -- putting distance between themselves and black people (and other minorities). The suburbs began their expansive growth after WWII as segregated communities. To a large extent, the suburbs still are segregated.
In the context of the vlog discussion, I don't think Dilbert (and Scott Adams) deserve to be canceled.
Reply to Hanover I was shocked at seeing run of the mill canned baked beans on the "full English breakfast' plate. I ate them anyway.
The F.E.B. goes back to the 14th/15th century, but was standardized by the Edwardians. So the Internet says. I thought that the beans arrived as part of American war relief during WWII, and they developed a taste for them, in much the way dogs develop a taste for cleaning rags and such.
Reply to Hanover This is all very interesting. Curious and curiouser.
I had not heard of Scott Adams, and wasn't much interested in the Dilbert comic strip. I don't recollect having seen much about the Rasmusson Poll either. Their polling methods (according to Wikipedia) involve automated phone and internet surveys. I've heard about 4Chan (and 8Chan?). I had not heard about an "It's OK To Be White" 'campaign'.
Automated surveying isn't a problem -- I've taken some poll-initiated surveys on both the phone and on line, and some of them ask the sort of questions one would expect a legit survey to ask. Others are clearly not. So, rhetorical question: if one surveyed a random 1000 people, how likely is it that a large percent would be familiar with IOTBW? I suspect that right wingers and their left wing adversaries are the only subsets of the general population who would be 'in' on IOTBW. According to one ranking, Rasmusson was 24 out of 28. Not highly respected.
As for Dilbert... I assume there is no explicit right-wing slant to Dilbert that would have caused editors to suspect him of being a liability?
javi2541997February 27, 2023 at 05:36#7844780 likes
Clarky, the next time I recommend you not miss cardamom, at least in a drink. You have to taste kombucha with cardamom; is strong, aromatic, stimulus and healthy.
Reply to javi2541997 In the Middle East and Turkey they sometimes put cardamom in coffee. Sounds bad to me but I haven’t tried it. Millions of people can’t be wrong! :chin:
javi2541997February 27, 2023 at 06:21#7844830 likes
Reply to Jamal Interesting! We should give a try, maybe it surprises us!
The recipe I use has cumin, coriander, paprika, garlic powder, cloves, and turmeric.
I had a chicken shawarma for lunch yesterday in a shop called Knaker (both Ks are pronounced). They apparently forgot to put any spices in it. In fact, they forgot to include any flavour at all. But that’s Russian shawarma for you. I intend to try doner here to see if it’s more authentic owing to the Turkic influence—I’m under the impression that shawarma and doner are basically the same, but that doner is more specifically Turkish, whereas shawarma, though also originally Turkish, is now more associated with Arabic countries.
Noble DustFebruary 27, 2023 at 07:04#7844910 likes
What a bummer. I haven't had doner; there's not much of it here, but I know there's a few spots. I associate that more with Germany; I was under the impression Turkish immigrants brought it and it became a thing there. I could be wrong. There are definitely plenty of Lebanese and some Syrian and Yemeni spots here that do shawarma.
Fun fact: Mexican Al Pastor originates from Middle Eastern immigrants bringing marinated slow spit-roasted meats to Mexico in I think the 1800's.
I already know the context. And in that context, he's a scummy racist using and abusing the results of one poll that suits his purposes to justify a call for segregation from and hatred against blacks (who wouldn't hate a hate group?). Nothing that you said makes anything he said less racist, stupid, or unjustified. Whether or not his comic should be banned due to this is a different matter. As it happens, market forces dictate racism is bad for business and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
(Anyone who thinks it's literally not OK to be white is also a racist but I very much doubt that's 26% of blacks and has more to do with @Hanover's reference).
universenessFebruary 27, 2023 at 16:02#7846190 likes
I didn't mean to denigrate cardamom, only to point out that there was none in the Rice Krispies, milk, and Mike & Ike's I ate. I just checked the ingredients list to verify. No cardamom.
Clarky, the next time I recommend you not miss cardamom, at least in a drink. You have to taste kombucha with cardamom; is strong, aromatic, stimulus and healthy.
About kombucha... I highly recommend it. For those unfamiliar, the active ingredient is a probiotic that is a symbiotic organism that’s part yeast, part bacteria. Our intestinal flora in modern times is very often very weak and compromised. Antibiotics, as necessary as they are, can kill much of the “good” microbes within us as you well know.
:gasp: I suppose it hasn't made it's way to Europe, let alone Russia. It's great. They put pineapple on it which I don't need, but it's nice. Not to be that guy, but there's a much rarer version called Tacos Arabes that I like better. It uses flour tortillas instead of corn (hence the name). I've only found two places that serve it here, one of which is gone. The one still around is the better of the two, and simply tops the pork meat taco with an avocado salsa and a chipotle salsa. Perfect.
I suppose it hasn't made it's way to Europe, let alone Russia
Mexican food in general has not caught on much in Europe, no doubt because of a severe lack of Mexicans. That said, I do have a Mexican friend in Spain, but she’s a terrible cook.
javi2541997February 27, 2023 at 17:22#7846520 likes
About kombucha... I highly recommend it. For those unfamiliar, the active ingredient is a probiotic that is a symbiotic organism that’s part yeast, part bacteria. Our intestinal flora in modern times is very often very weak and compromised. Antibiotics, as necessary as they are, can kill much of the “good” microbes within us as you well know.
Article about the human microbiome here.
:up:
I highly recommend this beverage too. I drink “Komvida ”, which is made by two girls in the south of Spain in their garage. They have nine different types of Kombucha. My favorites are green tea and “Gingervida”
Mexican food in general has not caught on much in Europe
My brother and I went to a really bad Mexican restaurant in Frieberg, Germany when we were over there. I wonder what made us think that was a good idea.
Reply to javi2541997Reply to 0 thru 9 I've tried several kombuchas and thought they were all pretty tasty. However... the gut contains thousands of different bacteria and yeast species. kombuchas, yogurts, raw sauerkrauts, and similar foods are fermented with a handful of specific fermenting species. Eating these foods does give you a good amount of the particular microorganisms, but nothing like a broad spectrum of species.
The article that @0 thru 9 referenced is good information.
Children that grow up in excessively cleaned environments may have a poorer microbiome than children who are allowed to play in dirt outdoors, and have a pet.
Most infections we get don't require the sort of 'scorched earth' antibiotic treatments that are required for antibiotic-resistant life-threatening infections, which leave a practically sterile gut. In some cases, patients benefit from a "fecal transplant" which replaces the whole microbiome spectrum.
Children that grow up in excessively cleaned environments may have a poorer microbiome than children who are allowed to play in dirt outdoors, and have a pet.
I live in the southern US, so we get a lot of Mexican food. I hear that the people in the Dakotas and in Montana have a bunch of Canadian restaurants that they eat at. The Canadians cook up some really good bland, and they put it on bland, and they eat it with bland. That's what I imagine at least. I've never been up there.
I highly recommend this beverage too. I drink “Komvida ”, which is made by two girls in the south of Spain in their garage. They have nine different types of Kombucha. My favorites are green tea and “Gingervida”
Something about ginger really enhances the taste of kombucha, imho. I also make home brew kombucha especially red wine flavor, from grape juice. Very tasty.
Children that grow up in excessively cleaned environments may have a poorer microbiome than children who are allowed to play in dirt outdoors, and have a pet.
I read that ulcerative colitis rates were highest in industrialized countries and regions and it was theorized that countries with the poorest hygiene were the most protected against it due to the prevalence of the bacteria. This could be the result of the suppression of hyperactive immune systems caused by increased bacteria.
In some cases, patients benefit from a "fecal transplant" which replaces the whole microbiome spectrum.
When I was a kid, I never had another kid's shit shot up my asshole, but what I did do once was stand on the other side of the bathroom and successfully arc my urine stream to find its way to the urinal, none missing its mark, well, for the most part, give or take, but who's measuring?
Noble DustFebruary 27, 2023 at 19:18#7846950 likes
I'm considering it. I'd be in that rarified air of members with usernames with spaces in them, making them hard to tag. It would be an honor. Edit: Oh wait, I already am. Am I hard to tag?
Mexican food in general has not caught on much in Europe, no doubt because of a severe lack of Mexicans.
Makes perfect sense. It's pretty ubiquitous in America, I think (@Hanover). In the suburban midwest where I grew up, I think there were probably as many Mexican restaurants in any given town as there were generic American restaurants. They all taste the same (the Mexican ones; probably the American ones too). I only had real Mexican food when I moved to New York, and it's only been in the past few years that some really legit places have opened here. Definitely something to try if you ever visit.
There are a lot of Mexican places in my neck of the woods but few that make a good chili verde or tacos al pastor. To be fair though, al pastor is not a dish that's easily whipped up.
universenessFebruary 27, 2023 at 19:56#7847030 likes
I would have been curious about those Freiberg tacos.
One of the things I like best about Europe is the amount of good food around, including ethnic and local food. There were plenty of other choices. Anyway, it gives me a good story - the only really bad food I ate on the trip, not counting the airports.
One of the things I like best about Europe is the amount of good food around, including ethnic and local food.
In the county where I live, we have an 80.9% diversity score, which means that if you picked two random people off the street, there's an 80.9% chance they'd be of a different race or ethnicity (Mexican, Korean, Indian, Vietnamese, El Salvadorian, Chinese, Jamaican, and it seems like a fairly large Bosnian population), making it the most diverse county in the southeast.
I found the diversity in Europe to be from traveling country to country, but more homogeneity per country, although that is changing, but nothing like what exists here. I think people overlook the whole melting pot thing we have going here in the US, even among those living in the US that have communities that haven't seen the population growths like exists where I live.
What this means is that we have really good food. Not just chowder.
I read that ulcerative colitis rates were highest in industrialized countries and regions and it was theorized that countries with the poorest hygiene were the most protected against it due to the prevalence of the bacteria. This could be the result of the suppression of hyperactive immune systems caused by increased bacteria.
Related to that... the presence of tape worms in the gut can bring allergy relief because the worms suppress the immune response (which would be aimed at them in particular). Medical recommendation: Try Benadryl first.
About kombucha... I highly recommend it. For those unfamiliar, the active ingredient is a probiotic that is a symbiotic organism that’s part yeast, part bacteria.
I prefer unfiltered open fermented beer, similar yeast content, and similar bacteria (yuck, but force it down, it builds tolerance), along with pleasant after effects.
I found the diversity in Europe to be from traveling country to country, but more homogeneity per country, although that is changing, but nothing like what exists here.
I visited France, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Belgium with my family in the late 1980s. My brother and I visited France, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, and Germany in 2014. My brother lived in France for 3 years in the late 1980s and has visited there and other countries in Europe many times. I have not visited Spain or Italy, but I hear the food is wonderful.
In my, and my brother's, experience, the attitude about food is what makes Europe different from the US. Just about every town has at least one small cafe in the town square or other, often with outside seating. Restaurants and cafes tend to be locally owned rather than chain. The food is better in quality and better prepared. The waiters are great. You are not expected to tip, although small tips for good service are common.
Local markets are also great. In an outdoor market in Paris, I bought strawberries that were red all the way through. The only times I have those elsewhere were from my garden. There were lots of small specialty food stores in each town - bakeries, charcuteries (cold cuts), butchers, vegetable markets...
Sure, there are plenty of good restaurants in the US. But not as common as in Europe. I lived in Cambridge in the 1970s. One of the best things about it was all the cheap ethnic restaurants. In the US, you have to look for good food. In Europe it's hard to avoid, as long as you stay away from Mexican restaurants in Germany.
I'm considering it. I'd be in that rarified air of members with usernames with spaces in them, making them hard to tag. It would be an honor. Edit: Oh wait, I already am. Am I hard to tag?
The problem with @T Clark’s name is that there’s a space right after the initial letter. The mention box doesn’t start searching till after the second character typed in, and if that’s a space, it gets very confused.
Local, sure. But ethnic? Assuming you mean non-European, it’s very patchy
In the cities we visited, there were Turkish, Northern African, and Middle Eastern restaurants. And then, again, that Mexican one. Does French food count as ethnic if I eat it in Belgium?
I think this is also a mantra in America, at least in middle America. Outside of cities, most of the food is kind of the same, but folks still insist upon some places being better than others. Clans form. The sentiment of "hunting" for the best food is felt. That's not to say there aren't hidden gems.
I think this is also a mantra in America, at least in middle America. Outside of cities, most of the food is kind of the same, but folks still insist upon some places being better than others.
It's true, there are a lot more choices in the city. When I lived in Cambridge, MA in the 1970s, there were decent inexpensive Indian, Thai, Chinese, Greek, Middle Eastern, Mexican, Italian, and seafood restaurants as well as diners, bars, and quirky local places - none of them chains. That's not even counting pizza places. When I lived there, we usually ate out three days a week and got pizza once a week and that was back when we were relatively poor.
Popular ethnic foods in Moscow are Georgian, Armenian, Azerbaijani, Uzbek, Thai, Japanese, Ukrainian Jewish, Italian, and American. Indian food is making inroads. French food, as in every other country except France, is regarded as posh and fancy.
I don’t know why there are no Kazakh restaurants. I have to assume their food is terrible, or maybe it’s just been absorbed into the Uzbek-dominated Central Asian culinary universe.
:worry: ... I promise that I always thought you visited Spain.
javi2541997February 28, 2023 at 05:52#7848330 likes
By the way, we Spanish folks don't like Mexican food because it is spicy and greasy. It is true that in Madrid or Barcelona you would be able to find a Mexican restaurant, but they are not as famous as the locals or others that have similar gastronomy, like Italians and Greeks.
I mean, the average person here will always choose a paella or tapas rather than a taco...
It's a big place. Could it be political? I know Uyghur cuisine has only recently hit NYC, and the narrative is rightfully about the persecution of the Uyghur people by the Chinese government.
Noble DustFebruary 28, 2023 at 06:01#7848360 likes
I guess it makes sense because Spain colonized South America, but ironically South American cuisine is a fusion of indigenous food and Spanish food. Seems like yet another example of colonization falling short, if the colonized food doesn't sit well with the colonizers. Of course, I'm saying that as an American, so I don't have much ground to stand on.
Reply to Noble Dust There are many Kazakh people here and the countries have been friendly and tied together by trade and culture for a long time, so there’s no political issue. Uyghurs make up 1.5% of the population of Kazakhstan, according to Wikipedia. I’m not familiar with their cuisine.
My wife has a few Uyghur genes. It’s the elusive Kazakh cooks who remain a mystery.
Noble DustFebruary 28, 2023 at 06:07#7848380 likes
It’s the elusive Kazakh cooks who remain a mystery.
:chin: given their location, maybe the food is a combination of everything around them. Nothing bad, nothing notable, just a lukewarm combo? I have no idea. I'm literally looking at google maps, which is embarrassing, but it looks like a flatland. That makes me think crops and livestock are probably very limited.
Reply to Noble Dust I’m thinking the problem is sheep testicle stew or something. In my ignorance, that’s what I associate with Mongolia, and I associate Kazakhstan with Mongolia.
Uzbekistan seems to have more going for it. It was on the silk route and their produce is famously good.
Noble DustFebruary 28, 2023 at 06:24#7848420 likes
As to Uyghur cuisine, I'm sad to report I still haven't tried it, despite being a 45 minute subway ride away. A Chinese-American youtube food blog I follow considers it technically Chinese, but it seems like a true fusion; a result of it's place and circumstance. This guide is helpful, and done by one of NYC's leading street food writers.
javi2541997February 28, 2023 at 06:32#7848440 likes
Reply to Noble Dust I see... but don't miss bread with virgin olive oil and tomato every morning ever again!
I believe this breakfast is going to sit well with you.
Noble DustFebruary 28, 2023 at 06:32#7848450 likes
I will do my best, but the supplies are running out. I appreciate your faith in me. I had it again this morning and I grew more in love.
:up: :sparkle: I have a big faith on you, It is better to wait for the harvest rather than buy them at Mercadona. You, as an American, are lucky that Mercadona supermarkets do not exist in the USA.
javi2541997February 28, 2023 at 06:56#7848580 likes
do Argentines eat steak every day, and do they ever eat vegetables?
Good question. As far as I know, they have a weird mania for always showing off their tremendous and exotic meat around the world. They only drink mate, it is rare to see an Argentinean to drink just water.
Noble DustFebruary 28, 2023 at 06:57#7848590 likes
Reply to javi2541997 I always thought Mercadona was good. Good quality but not too fancy. Also, they seem to pay and treat their workers pretty well, comparatively speaking. As a result, a visit to Mercadona is a pleasant experience.
Good question. As far as I know, they have a weird mania for always showing off their tremendous and exotic meat around the world. They only drink mate, it is rare to see an Argentinean to drink just water.
My comment was bait to catch anti-Argentine prejudice. You have revealed yourself.
A large Spanish supermarket chain. As far as I can tell, the name means something like “Market Woman” or “Mrs Merchandise”. I guess my translation skills are lacking.
javi2541997February 28, 2023 at 07:26#7848660 likes
Also, they seem to pay and treat their workers pretty well, comparatively speaking.
This is true. Mercadona workers are happy to work there because their work conditions are some of the best in the country and the salaries are pretty good. I am angry with Mercadona because of inflation (probably they are not guilty at all) and their lack of empathy with the consumers... I see that the prices are higher than ever, and it is bad because "Hacendado" should be the cheapest brand for food...
javi2541997February 28, 2023 at 07:35#7848670 likes
Reply to Noble Dust As Jamal perfectly explained, it is a big chain of supermarkets that are operational along the Spanish territory. The fact that it differs from the rest of the supermarkets is the brand called "Hacendado," which is manufactured and produced with Spanish products. This makes them cheaper than French and German supermarkets.
Yet many people are angry with them because of the rise in prices of basic products such as meat and bread.
Whenever you enter in the market there is a female voice who sings: Mercadona, Mercadona, Mercadooooonaaaaa. The song is catchy.
This is true. Mercadona workers are happy to work there because their work conditions are some of the best in the country and the salaries are pretty good. I am angry with Mercadona because of inflation (probably they are not guilty at all) and their lack of empathy with the consumers... I see that the prices are higher than ever, and it is bad because "Hacendado" should be the cheapest brand for food
Interesting. The irrationality of capitalism requires that if we want low prices, we must demand that supermarket employees get low wages.
@javi2541997 I’m not blaming you for this but I have to confess I was a bit disappointed in the Spanish tomatoes. Russian tomatoes are better. Actually they’re from Uzbekistan (of course).
javi2541997February 28, 2023 at 08:00#7848750 likes
Reply to Jamal Understable, and I have to assume part of the responsibility. Spain no longer invests in developing good tomatoes because most of them are industrialized.
Can Russian tomatoes be applied to pan con tumaca? If it is possible, that would be perfect.
Sure, but you haven't encountered any black people either.
I am happy to go with, humans are not coloured, we are all 'shades.' Black and white themselves, are not colours, they are shades.
We are also ALL MONGRALS, no such thing as pure bloods.
The irrationality of capitalism requires that if we want low prices, we must demand that supermarket employees get low wages.
The worker is a commodity, just as is the tomato, both of which the purchaser (whether that be the employer who purchases the employee or the customer who purchases the tomato) tries to obtain at the lowest price.
Since the employer's profits are being driven down by the competition from those customers finding cheaper prices, food prices and profits are all being reduced by market forces, providing you with an endless array of food choice on a philosopher's salary. If you wish to increase your salary, you'll need to provide a unique service as an employee, and if you wish to increase food profits, you'll need to offer something in the tomato buying experience no one else does as well as you.
Just defending capitalism, both on its own inherent merits and the fact that there is no better alternative.
Now back to food. Mongolian beef here is a mixture of scallions, beef, probably some sugar, and cellophane noodles. I doubt any Mongolians have ever eaten it.
Just defending capitalism, both on its own inherent merits and the fact that there is no better alternative.
I wouldn’t expect anything less.
But I don’t think you did a very good job. You told me how it worked, which I knew already, but the only thing you gave as a defence or justification aside from cheap food was TINA (there is no alternative), or capitalist realism. On that I agree, insofar as there is in fact no alternative and it is in fact easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
Now back to food. Mongolian beef here is a mixture of scallions, beef, probably some sugar, and cellophane noodles. I doubt any Mongolians have ever eaten it.
There was a so-called Mongolian restaurant in Edinburgh that served alligator, ostrich, and kangaroo. I am also doubting the authenticity.
You told me how it worked, which I knew already, but the only thing you gave as a defence or justification aside from cheap food was TINA (there is no alternative), or capitalist realism. On that I agree, insofar as there is in fact no alternative and it is in fact easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
My best defense is that it works, unlike most that don't. If we could achieve delicious, varied, and affordable food and a life generally free from oppression under a Marxist regime, I might change my tune. I just read that North Korea is worrying about mass starvation issues due to problems in their collectivized system, so they are going to embark on a whole new plan of some sort. That sounds more concerning than some underpaid grocery workers.
Then where does "aich" come from as a pronunciation?
Edinburgh was orginally settled by a sub-Saharan click speaking tribe and that pronunciation remains as a relic. That's why they say Edinblthuuu as well instead of Edinberg.
I prefer unfiltered open fermented beer, similar yeast content, and similar bacteria (yuck, but force it down, it builds tolerance), along with pleasant after effects.
:blush:
That sounds fascinating! Thanks. I’ll look into that. I mistakenly thought that unpasteurized beer (except maybe kegs?) had gone the way of the Dodo. (hey... where’s the beer mug emoji? lol)
I haven't, but everyone I know who's been there loved it. Lots of good food - which is what I care most about places I go. TV shows always show people out for the evening going to tapas bars. Here in the US, the idea of tapas has taken off in the past 20 years, although they usually call them "small plates." It makes eating more interesting.
I am happy to go with, humans are not coloured, we are all 'shades.'
Agreed, but, like it or not, racial differences make a difference - politically and socially. It's low-rent irony to argue that none of us are black or white. I grew up in the late 1960s and went to high school in southern Virginia, a southern state. Our high school integrated during my senior year.
Back then, black people were still called "negroes" and "colored" by most people. I was not very socially aware, but I remember trying to figure out how to refer to them. "Negro" and "colored" sounded condescending but "black" sounded contentious. "Afro-American" was available but, even then, seemed politically correct, namby-pamby. I saw, and still see, usage of "black" as respectful and matter of fact.
I’m thinking the problem is sheep testicle stew or something. In my ignorance, that’s what I associate with Mongolia, and I associate Kazakhstan with Mongolia.
A lot of those people in central Asia are Turkic - Kazakhstanis, Kyrgyzstanis, Uzbekistanis, Turkmen, and Uyghurs. There are significant Turkic populations in Iran and Azerbaijan. And then, of course, Turkey. This is the only thing I could find on the web for Kazak cuisine.
It is a little known fact that "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" was filmed in Kazakhstan and depicted common Kazakh cuisine. As with most of my little-known facts, they are little-known because I made them up.
universenessFebruary 28, 2023 at 17:59#7850040 likes
usage of "black" as respectful and matter of fact.
I use black as well, mainly, if I am trying to point someone out in a group of people who are not black.
I don't know, if that IS problematic. Perhaps folks should just use other references such as what someone is wearing, or their height, hair style etc to refer to an individual in a group, but perhaps that's just too woke.
I never use brown, red, yellow however. I would always say 'the Asian person.' Dunno why??
I admit, I have led a sentence with something like 'as a black person, you must have .......... or as a person from Pakistan you ....... but I do find that more awkward than as an American you ...... Which is ridiculous on my part that I should still feel that discomfort sometimes.
I remain rather confused about whether or not my current methods of referring to a person DOES cause them offense at times. Perhaps the main good about that is at least I am thinking about it rather than not giving a shit, in the way I didn't in my younger days.
There are significant Turkic populations in Iran and Azerbaijan
Saying there’s a significant Turkic population in Azerbaijan is putting it mildly. Azerbaijanis are Turkic; their language and Turkish are mutually intelligible.
Tajiks are the odd ones out in ex-Soviet Central Asia. They’re an Iranian people.
I remain rather confused about whether or not my current methods of referring to a person DOES cause them offense at times. Perhaps the main good about that is at least I am thinking about it rather than not giving a shit, in the way I didn't in my younger days.
My guess is that most people of color, as they are often now referred to, don't want to hear much about us white folk's struggles with what to call them.
Reply to T Clark Here’s a fact you might not know. I certainly didn’t know it till quite recently. There are ten autonomous Turkic republics within Russia itself:
Tatarstan
Bashkiria
Yakutia
Chuvashia
Altai Krai
Khakassia
Tuva
Karachay-Cherkessia
And Kabardino-Balkaria is part Turkic, part Circassian.
The irrationality of capitalism requires that if we want low prices, we must demand that supermarket employees get low wages.
There is a regional grocery chain in New England, Market Basket, that treats their workers well. You can see the difference when you go there. They are enthusiastic and helpful. The workers went on strike when there was a family squabble and some family members tried to take over and kick out the CEO, who was very popular. Their only demand - rehire him. He runs the place now.
There is a regional grocery chain in New England, Market Basket, that treats their workers well. You can see the difference when you go there. They are enthusiastic and helpful. The workers went on strike when there was a family squabble and some family members tried to take over and kick out the CEO, who was very popular. He runs the place now.
It was great. Inspiring. I'm surprised they haven't made a movie yet with Tom Hanks as Arthur T. Demoulas. Arthur T was the good guy. His cousin Arthur S was the bad guy. They can get Malcolm McDowell to play Arthur S.
Damn it. Didn't happen. I actually was planning to last Wednesday, but a complication at work meant I couldn't really leave for lunch, so I got delivery from somewhere else. Maybe if you remind me tomorrow morning I'll get it for lunch then.
I somehow get the sense I would be happy to shop there. Contrary to what you might think, grocery stores are notoriously inconsistent in NYC. Often, you find a spot that you like, but then they end up not having something basic. For instance, the store near me I like the most doesn't have ground cumin. They stock a lot of Goya products, a company that makes cheap but reliable canned goods as well as dried grains and beans, but they don't stock Goya's cheap quinoa, so I have to buy the fancy expensive stuff when I go there.
universenessFebruary 28, 2023 at 19:23#7850370 likes
My guess is that most people of color, as they are often now referred to, don't want to hear much about us white folk's struggles with what to call them.
Many black folks would probably agree with you and I suspect just as many would not, and do care.
I was not solely referring to black people, but to all people who want to be identified in the way they choose.
I accept that, and will comply, as long as they don't insist on being identified as King, Lord, God, funniest poster on TPF, etc.
Yeah I’ve tried getting my head around that history. It’s rather complicated.
Given my education, it's hard to remember that stuff happened before the past 2,000 years and outside of Europe. East, central, and south Asia had empires coming out their ying-yangs. Pre-Columbian Americas were amazing. We hear some about Incas, Aztecs, and Mayans, but nothing about the continental US, eg. Mississippian culture and Hopewell cultures. Not much about First Nations people in Canada either.
Hopefully you'll be able to stop after tomorrow, rather than continue for the next (hopefully?) ~50 years. (?)
javi2541997February 28, 2023 at 19:40#7850470 likes
Reply to Noble Dust I see. Well, if one day you come here I promise I going to show you Mercadona. There are different sizes and types of architecture in their buildings.
I bought some products at Mercadona this afternoon again. My mom asked me to please go to the store to buy cod and stuff. I end up shopping at Mercadona. It is weird because this morning I insulted its dignity and then I paid some euros for food. I think Mercadona has caught me so hard that it is impossible for me to go to a different marketplace.
Agreed, but, like it or not, racial differences make a difference - politically and socially. It's low-rent irony to argue that none of us are black or white. I grew up in the late 1960s and went to high school in southern Virginia, a southern state. Our high school integrated during my senior year.
I was in New Orleans at that time, but they only just started integrating the school buses before I left. They did some of the stupidest things I have ever seen. In the area where I lived, just outside the city, there were no colored people, so they sent the bus on a 30 minute detour to pick up about 20 students, And obviously they had to send the bus that no longer piked those kids up to go and spend 30 minutes going to pick up some white kids.
I have never been in any way racist, the only people I dislike are stupid people of the chronic variety. But I remember still the scary way the colored students looked at the white kids on the first day as if we had no right to be on their buses. Most of the white kids just ignored them which seemed to upset them even more and they started making comments about how white folk sometimes went into their neighborhood but never came out. They were not happy when the driver decided to go through the white area first.
Thing improved over the next couple of weeks and they worked out the way to stop anyone prevent others from getting off the bus by sitting whites on one side and the colored kids on the other side, that way no one could block the aisle.
Speaking of food and Brits, there are a series of Tik Tok videos of Brits tasting American foods for the first time. They found pecan pie, chick-fil-a sandwiches, and sweet ice tea delicious.
If you're a Brit reading this, you should give those American staples a try. They sustain our great nation and keep it holy.
I speak in my capacity as the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy. I appointed myself to that position by my authority as the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy. Also, it's an a priority truth. And self-evident. Sui generis. Ipso facto. E Pluribus Unum. Also, I was appointed by Donald J. Trump, Jr.
My cat is the leader of the Illuminati. So, there's that. Let me know if you need something done. She's got a few free minutes right now it looks like.
I just need to know which somethingest poster here I am.
Somethingism is a quantized property, which means the uncertainty principle applies. That means you can't accurately know both which somethingist poster you are and who you are at the same time. Which makes the whole process more difficult. It's possible you are many different somethingist posters on the Philosophy Forum in the multiverse.
There. Take that Mr. "My cat is the leader of the Illuminati."
unenlightenedMarch 01, 2023 at 10:44#7851810 likes
As a Scotchm’n, I’ve always had trouble with a word that crops up often in political philosophy: polis. It refers to a Greek city-state or more generally to a political community, but in Scotland, the polis (as with the Greek word, with the first syllable stressed) is somewhat abusive slang for the police. As a result, I can’t read the word without thinking of delinquent Scotch law-breakers.
Saying “Scotch” in reference to anything except whisky, pies, eggs, broth, and bonnets is a big no-no around Scotch people, but I’m trying to normalize it.
Alright, the verdict is in. Senegalese food is very tasty. I ordered Teibou Jeun because the menu said it was their National dish. It consisted of baked fish, steamed cabbage, carrot and I think yuca, with Joloff Rice. The fish was absolutely delicious, although it was bone in, and I don’t really know how to debone a cooked fish, so I had to carefully pick around it. I was expecting bigger flavor from the Joloff Rice, but it was solid. The veg was fine. I was expecting it to be spicy but there was only a hint of spice. Definitely recommend, will return.
The fish was absolutely delicious, although it was bone in, and I don’t really know how to debone a cooked fish, so I had to carefully pick around it
That is a skill that I made sure to learn, because when I’m eating fish I like big chunks. Big boneless chunks are what you don’t get when your skills are not up to scratch. But I’m glad it didn’t spoil your enjoyment too much.
Here in Russia they don’t give a shit about bones. Sometimes even packs of thin slices of smoked salmon have bones. “It’s a fish, it has bones” is the common response to my comments about it.
How do you feel about prawns (shrimp)? I cannot be bothered with a dish with prawns that I have to peel myself. Spoils the whole experience.
Love them. No need to peel, just eat the whole thing. Eating the shell is very common in Asian countries I believe; one of my favorite shrimp dishes I’ve ever had is a simple salt and pepper fried shrimp dish from a spot in Chinatown. They’re deep fried (but not battered) with the shell on. Big pepper flavor and delicious.
I cannot be bothered with a dish with prawns that I have to peel myself.
I love good Chesapeake Bay crab, but I have no patience breaking the shells and picking out the meat. Voila! Crab cakes. Lump crab cakes with no filler. Just crab and a little mayo to hold it together.
As for shrimp, I do like peeling and eating steamed shrimp. Eating them warm is different than eating them cold and the shells hold in the spices. But eating shrimp shells and all - no thanks. Sounds like something they'd do in Ohio where the seafood all comes from Long John Silvers.
I have heard of these exotic creatures. Probably from you.
I got a huge crab one Christmas Eve at the Boqueria market in Barcelona, ate it for Christmas Dinner. The ratio of effort to pleasure wasn’t large enough.
Not sure about the legs. I didn’t know about the tails being edible haha. It seems like as long as it’s deveined the whole thing is edible. I’ve still never had shrimp heads but really want to.
Reply to Baden
I ate French Fries, which I'm told come from France, and hence had to be renamed Freedom Fries, to commemorate the freedom to invade Iraq on false pretenses. Does that count?
Looking at that bag of Lay’s chips... it says “iconic local flavors”. Is it me or is the word “iconic” reaching its expiration date? Everything is frickin iconic. Either that or it is a stunning game-changer. This all makes me need a diaper-changer.
Also, I think paying 150 grand for a bag of chips is gouging... even with inflation.
I googled “cow chips” because I had a vague suspicion that Americans use this term to refer to deposits of cow dung. I was right, but when I discovered it was true it was too late for me to find the comment amusing. The moment had passed. Sorry.
I also found that Cow Chips are a Canadian brand of chocolate covered potato chips.
But the road was long and home was far
So I stopped off at this little cowboy-looking bar
I walked on through the door and she just smiled
In a long pony tail and a pretty white dress
She said hi bull riders do it best
I said oh my God what's your name
My name's Lyle
And I said ooh give back my heart chip kicker-redneck woman
Take your boots and walk out of my life
Ooh give back my heart chip kicker-redneck woman
I can't be no cowgirl paradise
Reply to T Clark hmmm yes, the brussels sprouts are an uncharacteristically classy addition. White gravy is probably not accustomed to decorative green flecks, either. But Hanover is trying to climb the social ladder one forkful at a time. He probably had the White Trash Cookbook and the Better Homes and Gardens cookbook open at the same time and got confused.
I don't think you need a cookbook to learn the artless steps to grilling hot dogs on the rusty exhaust pipe of your 74' AMC Gremlin. I imagine the only tricky part is in keeping the engine running, and not passing out from the fumes.
Reply to praxis If the guy next door invites you to join him and his kin for an exhaust pipe weenie roast, must you accept the invitation? If you accept, what are you expected to contribute? Should you open carry a loaded gun, or not? If drugs are served, can you decline? If you don't decline, how much can you politely snort (shoot, smoke, whatever)? If you have better drugs, should you share them?
I mean, I just don't know how to act in society, ya know?
When I was growing up in Bakhakistikan, our only source of fuel was cow shit, which we would wrap in hair shavings from the local barber and then douse with vodka. Most children would sell their hair clippings for fuel in order to purchase quick huffs of spray paint fumes from the hardware store.
The local keeper of the flame, who had a small candle that if extinguished would literally force the village deeper into the dark ages, would come by and ignite the hair and shit and the heat would usually be sufficient to preserve the life of most of the family through the night, but we typically did have to take out the discards each morning upon the crow of the dying rooster.
I do remember one time we were blessed with a particuarly warm heat, but it got too warm and so the icicles melted from the rafters, impaling the unknown muttering man who mindlessly wandered about our home sweeping the permafrost floors. Once Summer came and the stalactite melted from his crushing forehead wound, he staggered to his feet, no longer sweeping floors, but now suddenly able to multiply and divide any set of numbers with incredible speed. He would have been more useful but for the snail trail of spinal fluid that would mark his path as he meandered, resulting in slipping and sliding by all who approached him.
Otherwise I greatly objected to the cultural stereotypes but still smiled a couple of times
I had imagined this fictional town to have been located not far from Kissimmee, Florida, a suburb of Orlando, not far from the Magic Kingdom. Not sure where your mind went, but apparently somewhere darker.
I also found that Cow Chips are a Canadian brand of chocolate covered potato chips.
Hahaha! Yes, I meant “cow chips” to refer to manure. Cow pies, cookies, and flop are also acceptable. Moon pies are totally different, and only slightly less nutritious than cow pies. Selling food that’s made to resemble excrement is a cottage industry, catering mostly to scatological 9 year old boys. (See Taiwan’s ice cream parlors that serve deserts in a bowl shaped like a toilet. Or better yet, don’t see it cuz then you can’t unsee it).
When I was growing up in Bakhakistikan, our only source of fuel was cow shit
Nice story! Edit it to 200 words and it’s ready for the microfiction festival. :nerd:
I think Big Oil and related energy industries have been sabotaging the practice of cow dung as fuel. Dung is natural and renewable and keeps people from visiting your house, which is liberating. Goat dung can also be used, though it’s a little more pungent and may contain scrap metal.
It hadn’t occurred to me to exploit this market until now.
Everybody poops! Ashes to ashes, dung to dung. The sweetest flower loves the fertilizer. :flower:
There’s a scatological 9 year old boy inside of each of us, trying to get out and be free! And make fart noises during church services. Business opportunities await. I’m thinking something that includes cannabis, because potty humor is funnier with pot.
All of the songs on the Bad Lip Reading youtube channel are catchy. Love the Star Wars songs.
(If I’m bringing down the level of discourse in the Shoutbox, please let me know. Or maybe it makes everything else look brilliant by comparison? :blush: )
Goat dung can also be used, though it’s a little more pungent and may contain scrap metal.
You are clearly not a goat farmer. Goat dung comes in small pellets, like rabbit pellets and it's very dry and has little smell. If it forms in clumps or is wet, you have a sick goat.
I read that if you take too many opiates, your muscles in your bowels will relax and your feces will no longer be pushed down to the anus. The result can be your vomiting feces out your mouth, which would mean that subclass of individuals doesn't actually poop, but they instead shit vomit.
I do like the double noun descriptive term, as in shit vomit. It's sort of a country way of talking, like saying I have a goat truck, a work shirt, or a breakfast chair.
I predict this will be the winner for best short subject at the Oscars this year. The magpie is a shoe-in for best supporting avian. Admittedly, the cinematography does not match up to usual Oscar standards.
You are clearly not a goat farmer. Goat dung comes in small pellets, like rabbit pellets and it's very dry and has little smell. If it forms in clumps or is wet, you have a sick goat.
Yes, very true. We have had goats in the house, but more as guests than livestock.
More research needs to be done on manure as a source of energy. Though using it to fuel a cooking fire may impart a “gamey” or pungent taste to the food. The sacred Egyptian scarab is a dung beetle doing cosplay. Not sure how that’s relevant. I will now depart to make an offering now to holy dung god! :monkey:
Not a magpie though. It’s a hooded crow. I’m the bird boy.
Thanks for the correction. The title said "magpie" but I wasn't sure. I looked on the web to verify. I guess I didn't verify very well. I wonder if all the magpies on the web are really crows. Magpies/crows vs. cats seems to be a genre on YouTube.
People in the U.K. have had to ration salad staples like tomatoes and cucumbers for the past two weeks amid a shortage of fresh vegetables. Shelves of fresh produce in many stores have been bare, and most major supermarkets have imposed limits on how many salad bags or bell peppers customers are allowed to buy.
I didn't know people in the UK even ate vegetables. I thought it was all bangers and mash and blancmange.
If I’m bringing down the level of discourse in the Shoutbox, please let me know
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No no, you are like a breath of fresh air, with your fecal chat.
Many sincere thanks! :pray: :grin:
By the way, your message is the first time anyone has ever written those words... barring of course the new discovery of an ancient cave with writing and drawings of poop.
Reply to T Clark Hilarious bird! :rofl: Crows and magpies are more intelligent than humans. They just don’t tell us because they don’t want to be bothered. No wonder Poe was freaked out by the crow-cousin raven!
I'm writing a movie in my head right now, and this is what I've got so far:
It's a very serious movie about a guy who's dealing with death, estrangement from his family, divorce, loss of work, illness, all sorts of serious stuff, but the main point is that he is blind, and he has a seeing eye cat. So he walks about with his white cane and black glasses and he constantly jumps on countertops and darts under tables, swats at cockroaches and such, wherever his cat directs him.
What do you guys think? Would you be inclined to sit through a few hours (with a brief intermission) of this, or would the seeing eye cat joke lose its impact after the first hour? Maybe a twist to keep you interested, would it help if the cat lost its vision after about an hour of the movie, so he had to hire a seeing eye squirrel that would assist him, and by the end of the movie, we'd have a long train of various blind animals leading one another, perhaps resulting in a circle where the man now is in the lead, with the blind leading the blind?
I don't know, just a thought. I'm thinking of naming this movie Bootilicious 3, Return of the Budunkadunk, but I'm open to other names, but this one captures the essence of what I'm trying to get at and it pays respect to my grandmother who inspired me to be a playwrite with her calm voice and gentle hand.
Reply to Hanover Very interesting beginnings of a story. There’s stuff to build on... But I’ll play movie studio guy hearing a pitch. How about... turning the cat into a goat. I mean at the start of the story lol. So guy has seeing-eye goat, and he follows goat everywhere. But... the little farm goat secretly wants to be a mountain goat and explore distant lands. So off he trots to the Himilayas. With the blind man following, of course. Not sure what happens then. I’m counting on you for the ironic twists and sappy love story (possibly involving the man and goat) and inspirational message etc. (Bonus points if you can avoid mentioning the “multiverse”. Title is good though.)
There is currently a thread about a convenience store clerk and an alcoholic customer. It's a serious discussion, so I don't want to distract or interfere, so I'll just post this here.
I’ve been feeding some of those hoodies over the winter, leaving food on the window ledge for them. Within a week they got used to it, and now when I forget to put food out, they fly past and “caw” to remind me.
The apartment is too high for other passerines, and the pigeons never come near this building, so the hoodies have all the food to themselves.
One day I’d like to befriend a raven, but other things keep getting in the way.
One day I’d like to befriend a raven, but other things keep getting in the way.
As you can see from my icon, I am partial to crows. Loud, raucous, troublesome. I like all loud, raucous, and troublesome animals - crows, mockingbirds, blue jays, red squirrels. That's why I like that video so much. I find myself attracted to loud, raucous, troublesome people too.
We have a bunch in our back yard. Crows, not people. They sit up in top of one of the trees in our yard. They are so social and noisy. I always smile when I hear them.
I like the goat angle. I think what should happen is that they climb Everest without the guy even knowing he's done it, and he becomes famous cos some mountaineers see him and the goat. It would give the audience much to ponder regarding life, ambition, and so on.
The technical plot issues are, why would the goat go up to the top of Everest? Goats don't go up that high and as far as I know they're generally unconcerned with attaining summits, although they do like mountains. And how could the man survive without mountaineering gear and oxygen?
I was actually a bit of a birder in my youth. Proof: Some rare American species I've seen include the Osprey, Bald Eagle, and various migrating warblers that I can't remember off the top of my head.
Reply to Noble Dust Cool. I've seen ospreys and bald eagles too. Ospreys in Scotland and Canada, and bald eagles in Canada.
Warblers, I can take them or leave them. Too many species that look almost identical.
Last year I saw a bird I hadn't seen before but I can't remember what it was. I don't take the interest seriously enough, otherwise I'd have a logbook.
I don't take the interest seriously enough, otherwise I'd have a logbook.
Same. I always tell myself I'll get back into it, but living in a big city doesn't help. Perhaps in old age. I had budgerigars growing up, but now I couldn't do it in good conscience now that I know how much attention they require, which I certainly can't give.
Reply to Noble Dust I wonder what's happened with that owl that escaped from the zoo in Central Park. I could Google it but I'll wait to get your insider knowledge.
About the owl, let me enlighten you from the other side of the world. A Eurasian eagle owl--a most impressive bird--escaped from Central Park Zoo a few weeks ago and has been living free in the park, eating rats and squirrels. Last I heard, the zoo folks had given up trying to capture it again, because it was doing all right.
Well, a meatball is a meatball, as my Uncle Peter used to say. “It can be good or it can be bad, but it’s a meatball all the same”. Or “meatballs are all meatballs laddie, you remember that.”
Well, a meatball is a meatball, as my Uncle Peter used to say. “It can be good or it can be bad, but it’s a meatball all the same”. Or “meatballs are all meatballs laddie, you remember that.”
When I was a child, I awaited the arrival of the ice cream truck during the hot summer days. Asking my parents for money, instead of some crisp green bills I was gifted with a frozen meatball on a stick. Mom said that this was a gourmet dessert that they served in her distant homeland. She was born in Dayton.
Sooooo... I took my precious gift outside to gnaw on in privacy. Kids will notice everything and joke about anything out of the ordinary for hours, maybe days. This was our main form of entertainment, and it was a feast. But you didn’t want to be the main course for this roast. Anyway, I’d make some weak excuse while the other kids had frozen sugar bombs with psychedelic colors in their lucky and sticky hands. Us being poor may have been the reason for the meatball popsicle. But the tradition lives on for my children, furtively chomping frozen meatballs on a stick, wondering what bizarre alien land their dad came from.
Reply to Jamal My father didn't offer me any direct words of wisdom, but a couple of things I do remember him telling me were: (1) when I was looking to buy a mattress for the guestroom, he told me not to buy one too comfortable, and (2) that I should put all the objects on my desk at right angles so that it would look organized and I wouldn't have to further clean it off.
With that I've made it through life, and now with the addition of Uncle Pete's meatball saying, I feel like the world is my oyster, one of the finest of the bivalves.
I like the goat angle. I think what should happen is that they climb Everest without the guy even knowing he's done it, and he becomes famous cos some mountaineers see him and the goat. It would give the audience much to ponder regarding life, ambition, and so on.
The technical plot issues are, why would the goat go up to the top of Everest? Goats don't go up that high and as far as I know they're generally unconcerned with attaining summits, although they do like mountains. And how could the man survive without mountaineering gear and oxygen?
Thanks! Good ideas for Hanover to use in his story. There are many fascinating possibilities. We await the finished product in the microfiction gala. Or at least as a series on Netflix.
Anyway, I’d make some weak excuse while the other kids had frozen sugar bombs with psychedelic colors in their lucky and sticky hands. Us being poor may have been the reason for the meatball popsicle.
When I was a kid, I would eat my deluxe ice cream treats that I bought from the ice cream man and laugh at the meatball stick eating kids. Uncle Pete used to tell me "Bubalah, meatballs are all meatballs, but eating them on a stick, what is this meshugas?"
Another one of his you might find useful is "wipe backward from the perineum, toward and past the anus."
That is a good one that I will take note of. I had been doing it backwards apparently, which explains my embarrassing skid marks that began just under my testicles, up toward my navel, and then finally fading around mid chest.
When I was a kid, I would eat my deluxe ice cream treats that I bought from the ice cream man and laugh at the meatball stick eating kids. Uncle Pete used to tell me "Bubelah, meatballs are all meatballs, but eating them on a stick, what is this meshugas?"
Haha! :lol: Well, I’d have laughed too... if it weren’t me as the meatball clown. I must say that there was pork mixed in the meatball. And poultry. And possibly venison. Sometimes there was even some beef.
Is poop still in the conversation? Well anyway... until someone starts a “Funny Videos” thread in The Lounge...
Well sir or Madam... I’m beginning to think that you have your head up your rear, talking about poop and such constantly. You are a proctologist maybe?
Reply to Jamal Another idea along these lines is of a man who sees a marathon runner drop a dollar from his pocket at the starting line, so he chases the man in order to return the dollar, but loses sight of him toward the finish line, passes him, and wins the race.
It's the accidental success story, much like the goat that accidentally leads the man to summit Mt. Everest.
But then there's the misguided trust angle that I started with, where a guy is forced to dart about like a cat because he's made perhaps a mistake in purchasing a seeing eye cat as opposed to the traditional dog.
Then there's the potpourri angle, a smorgasbord of sorts, a mish mash, a throwing together, sort of like last night's indulgence of ravioli, cheap bourbon, and chicken wings now all over the floor. That would be the regurgitation model, as in a seeing eye cats leads one up a mountain summit while chasing a goat to return to him his corn chip that he dropped.
I think our collaborative approach is the best, bringing together all of our creative strengths. With this pooling together of resources maybe we can one day emerge from this generational cycle of failure that has plagued us all here.
I've never seen a crow against cat conflict, but I have seen both blue jays and mockingbirds taunt cats with very authentic meows. They had that same look on their faces that the crow in the video did.
Grown ups don't use the word "poop" unless they are talking to someone under the age of seven. Acceptable alternatives - feces, shit, crap, shite, human waste, merde, bowel movement, turd, scheise - depending on the context. I'm sure the Brits, Aussies, and Scots have more to offer. "Me mum just took a whangle in the boot of me lorry."
This is the response a new member got for his first post. The post itself was well-written and serious. It included references to Christian beliefs held by the poster.
No one is required to take religion seriously here but there's no need to be a dick about it either. Anyhow, the Shoutbox is not really the place for this.
No one is required to take religion seriously here
I would say, "No one is required to have religious beliefs here". Not taking religion seriously, however, seems ill-advised, at best. Religion is part of the core operating system of at least a few billion people, and has been part of human mind for a long time. We can't understand ourselves if we dismiss religion as a defect, something irrelevant, and beneath philosophy's concern.
Reply to T Clark Totally agree. 'Poo' and 'poop' are kiddy terms which have vanquished feces, bowel contents, etc., even by doctors.
This was my favourite bit, because it reminded me of the ravioli I had yesterday for lunch. Each raviolo was packed with mozzarella and sun-dried tomatoes. You should've been there.
Not taking religion seriously, however, seems ill-advised, at best. Religion is part of the core operating system of at least a few billion people, and has been part of human mind for a long time. We can't understand ourselves if we dismiss religion as a defect, something irrelevant, and beneath philosophy's concern.
I agree but it's not a requirement. You're not going to be banned for being dismissive of religion.
I was there. I was the guy with the pepper grinder who held the pepper grinder out in front of you and said "pepper?"
How long have ever let the guy go on grinding your pepper? I've always wanted to have him empty the entire thing and then have to get a second one while the pepper piled up on my plate. Then I'd do the same for the mozzarella cheese guy, and then I'd have them fill my drink all over the floor. That's what I'd do.
I went to a restaurant once, and the old guy I was with asked to swap his white napkin for a dark one, and they went and got him a maroon one, and he asked if I too wanted a maroon one. I didn't, but being the shybird I was stuck with white, but, next time, may God be my witness, I'm going to insist upon a navy blue one.
So, next time, mound of pepper and cheese on my plate, water all over the floor, and a blue napkin in my lap, and one shit eating grin from the happiest diner of all time, enjoying the living shit out of life as it's meant to be lived.
I've always wanted to have him empty the entire thing and then have to get a second one while the pepper piled up on my plate. Then I'd do the same for the mozzarella cheese guy, and then I'd have them fill my drink all over the floor. That's what I'd do.
An excess of cheese I can handle. An excess of pepper is another matter.
I went to a restaurant once, and the old guy I was with asked to swap his white napkin for a dark one, and they went and got him a maroon one, and he asked if I too wanted a maroon one. I didn't, but being the shybird I was stuck with white, but, next time, may God be my witness, I'm going to insist upon a navy blue one.
I don’t like restaurants that don’t provide me with a large white cloth napkin, preferably the size of a bath towel. Maroon or navy are ok, it’s the size and durability that count.
I think our collaborative approach is the best, bringing together all of our creative strengths. With this pooling together of resources maybe we can one day emerge from this generational cycle of failure that has plagued us all here.
Hear! Hear! (or Here! Here!) Good show. Well said! A round of drinks for everyone! :blush:
(Though I’d only maybe change “creative strengths” to... I don’t know... “collective psychosis”?)
I would say, "No one is required to have religious beliefs here". Not taking religion seriously, however, seems ill-advised, at best. Religion is part of the core operating system of at least a few billion people, and has been part of human mind for a long time. We can't understand ourselves if we dismiss religion as a defect, something irrelevant, and beneath philosophy's concern.
Amen! :pray: (and for those who might object to the word “amen”... A-women!!! :flower:
You can now live on a cruise ship for $30,000 per year
That's per person double occupancy, an inside cabin. So, about $180,000/year. I can afford that, but when I get back I'll have to move in with @Hanover's goats. Here's a link:
China has a 'stunning lead' over the US in the research of 37 out of 44 critical and emerging technologies, new study finds
— Huileng Tan · Business Insider · Mar 3, 2023
Jorndoe always brings bad news. I saw that article previously and I don't buy it. I remember in the 1980s when Japan was ahead of us in just the same kinds of ways. They were taking the lead and would manufacture us into irrelevance. Of course that never happened. Japan's economy has been pretty stagnant since the 1990s. There having all sorts of social problems. High among them is their birth rate, which is far below the replacement level.
It's hard to get excited about this. Those types of studies are performed by institutions that have vested, often financial, interests in focusing attention and urgency on the specific issues they are interested in.
My cat finagled an additional can of food from me, not advising me that my wife had already fed her. I see my day will be spent trying to match wits with a worthy competitor.
Reply to Hanover
It's a Jewish pastry? I used to have a book of Jewish recipes from all over the world. It was fascinating. There was a whole chapter on chicken soup.
I wasn't aware of the use of siege guns during the civil war.
From my reading of the Forster's Hornblower books, or maybe it was O'Brian's Master and Commander books, I learned that mortars, which is what is shown in the top picture, were used during the Napoleonic wars, which ended in 1815. I think you were correct in calling mortars "siege guns."
Lincoln, for instance, sent instructions to his generals and received reports by telegraph and received reports, almost in real time (there were relay stations along the way). Morse's telegraph was introduced only in 1844.
Lunch: spanish omelette accompanied by "pisto" (a sauce made with tomatoes, peppers and onion)
unenlightenedMarch 05, 2023 at 12:31#7863690 likes
[quote=Dr Seuss]At the fork of a roadIn the Vale of Va-Vode
Five foot-weary salesmen have laid down their load.
All day they’ve raced round in the heat, at top speeds,
Unsuccessfully trying to sell Zizzer-Zoof Seeds
Which nobody wants because nobody needs.
Tomorrow will come. They’ll go back to their chore.
They’ll start on the road, Zizzer-Zoofing once more
But tonight they’ve forgotten their feet are so sore,
And that’s what the wonderful night time is for.[/quote]
From my reading of the Forster's Hornblower books, or maybe it was O'Brian's Master and Commander books, I learned that mortars, which is what is shown in the top picture, were used during the Napoleonic wars, which ended in 1815. I think you were correct in calling mortars "siege guns."
I recently learned more than I ever wanted to know about the early development of weapons and their tactical applications in the Destiny's Crucible series by Olan Thorensen.
early development of weapons and their tactical applications
One of the things I love about the Hornblower and Master and Commander books is that they show how technologically sophisticated sailors were in the early 1800s. We're not smarter or better than they were, we've just got 200 more years of scientific and technological history.
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Reply to T Clark But making the correct connection with the target audience here would be more difficult. "It's the economy, stupid" but I'm not sure exactly what the Marxist translation of Zizzer-Zoof Seeds, is - probably the out put of the previous five year plan or some such.
But making the correct connection with the target audience here would be more difficult. "It's the economy, stupid" but I'm not sure exactly what the Marxist translation of Zizzer-Zoof Seeds, is - probably the out put of the previous five year plan or some such.
Yes, well... Being from the US I didn't understand the political subtext.
Dinner: rigatoni with lamb and eggplant, some Austrian Riesling, and half of a small substandard pizza, which did however have some nice artichokes, black olives, and capers on top
I went to the dentist for the first time in about 7 years a few weeks ago. Contrary to stereotypes, the hygienist was the gentlest old Russian woman. She said something along the lines of “you have a long, good life ahead of you”. I have no idea what she was talking about. Anyway, I don’t have any cavities.
Individualism is rubbish. The individual is an entirely powerless unit; it could not give birth to itself, cannot raise itself, educate itself, or change the world itself. It is entirely a product of the people and environment around it. To emphasize the individual is an error.
Its a hard pill to swallow for westerners brought up in an individualistic mindset, but the reality is that you have never really done anything by yourself. Your actions and very nature are defined by your relations with outside people, the land, and material things.
Its a hard pill to swallow for westerners brought up in an individualistic mindset, but the reality is that you have never really done anything by yourself.
It's a matter of degree, with certain cultures being more collectivist and others more individualistic. The sociological distinction is real, but no one realistically argues that pure individualism (or pure collectivism) exists.
That is to say, the argument that "no man is a island" is obvious and arguments against it are strawmen.
I’ve noticed that some British people pronounce vineyard as “Vine Yard” as opposed to the obvious “VINyrd”. I’m now wondering if those same brits pronounce barnyard as “BRNyrd”.
went to the dentist for the first time in about 7 years a few weeks ago. Contrary to stereotypes, the hygienist was the gentlest old Russian woman. She said something along the lines of “you have a long, good life ahead of you”. I have no idea what she was talking about. Anyway, I don’t have any cavities.
Do you have any teeth? If not, that's why no cavities.
She didn’t say, although now I’m beginning to wonder.
Speaking of not having cavities, the first time I went to the dentist in NYC the actual dentist looked like a soap opera actor and acted like one too. He literally looked in my mouth for 5 seconds and said “well, you don’t have any cavities” and left. It was like a scene from The Room.
One difference I found is that Russian dentists are not called dentists, but stomatologists. Also different is that I can see an X-ray of my mouth on a wide screen TV from the chair, but maybe they have that in Scotland now too—before seeing this dentist the last one was 12 years ago.
Also different is that I can see an X-ray of my mouth on a wide screen TV from the chair, but maybe they have that in Scotland now too—before seeing this dentist the last one was 12 years ago.
Sounds like you got a heaping mouthful of radiation. Do your teeth now glow in the dark?
Sounds like you got a heaping mouthful of radiation.
On my recent trip I enjoyed watching the little red light come on on the computer screen that said "radiation detected!" While the tooth nurse (?) conveniently ducked out of the room 20 times in a row.
I had my dentist install hollowed out fangs in my mouth so I could Dracula suck blood straight through the teeth. Women found me crazy attractive and they'd submit their necks to me, and I'd suck them prune faced dry. They'd lie dead on the floor and their parents would freak the fuck out, ruining the whole sexual vibe we had going pre-prune face.
After like the third one, I had to hide in the woods and survive off dumpster food, eventually being forgotten after the next news cycle and the Capitol attack. I've since returned to anonymity, accepting a job with the county bureau of gutter inspections, blending in without notice.
My fangs still saber tooth tiger protrude, but I explain it away as that my mother ate bath salts throughout her pregnancy and that fucked up my face. Most people believe that, except for one guy who totally figured me out, but I've got a temporary reprieve from arrest because he burned his tongue on some over microwaved popcorn and he can't speak clearly. He keeps telling the detective I'm Dlacula and the cop can't understand what that means.
My guess is that I'll be arrested on Wednesday because that's "anything can happen" day. Usually just ping pong balls fall from the sky on that day, but maybe with all the shit going down, I'll get my ass locked up.
Reply to Noble Dust And every dentist will tell you that the dose of radiation from dental x-rays is really low, even after they've done 100 x-rays to get 5 really great pictures. "Well, the end of the root didn't show up." "It was slightly blurry." More likely, "We haven't met our billing quota for today." If it's really that low, why do they leave the room? They should stay and keep me company -- it's lonely I there, covered up with a lead blanket, and the death ray turning off and on.
Reply to Hanover Half of my crowns are made out of lithium disilicate, and they are very even tempered. None of them have had a bipolar episode. Lithium disilicate crystals are used to power the starship Enterprise.
Buenos días. First monday of March. I had a weird breakfast because I was confident that I had whole-wheat bread but there wasn't. So, I had to take white bread. Better than nothing, right?
Where would I put my precious tomato and virgin oil otherwise?
Tough one. White bread has its merits and its demerits. An Amish white loaf is hard to beat, smeared with fresh butter. Eat your heart out, you French baguette freaks.
Reply to Jamal Do you know why I remember them? Simple, it was the only dish I liked, apparently. My parents were frustrated by my attitude toward food. I don't know why I recall this familiar moment.
Half of my crowns are made out of lithium disilicate, and they are very even tempered.
They now make crowns out of cubic zirconium, which my dentist tells me is as strong as diamond.
With that, I took my bride to be to the county fair, where we enjoyed the typical carny rides and then on to the taffy, which I chewed and it removed my crown, which I then set into a ring, which I then dropped to a knee, which I then took her hand, which I then placed upon it a still taffy coated diamond looking ring, which she then accepted, and which she now wears proudly. I am reminded of my love for her with every cold drink as it coats my exposed nub.
When I was a baby, my parents fed me marbles and chicken bones.
I was just reading that many babies who grew up to be attorneys were fed that. It was one of the recommendations in Dr. Spock's "Baby and Child Care." It said "Never feed your baby marbles and chicken bones."
My local dentist doesn't, but he will show you your Xray on his wee laptop screen
A pathetic laptop screen would no longer be adequate for my requirements. I’m now used to my stomatologist with her giant wall-mounted screen that she points at with a pointer while saying things in Russian, of which my wife translates only the bare minimum, which I can’t complain about because I’d get the reasonable response of “learn Russian then.” Once again, somehow this post ended up being about my domestic disputes and failures.
Breakfast: fried eggs and tofu, banana, coffee
Lunch: sautéed chicken livers and bell peppers
Dinner: spinach, tomato, and burrata salad
I use “sautéed” instead of “fried” to dignify my elementary cooking techniques.
Rye is probably my go-to bread of choice. Although I eat plenty of whole wheat for the health benefits...come to think of it, does rye count as a whole grain?
According to a cursory but always 100% accurate google search, what you say is true, although it's probably most often refined. However, even refined rye bread still has many of the same health benefits of whole grain wheat bread.
It is true that rye bread can be both whole and refined. Nonetheless, I think it is naturally consider as a whole bread because: Rye bread contains a large amount of fiber, a wide variety of bioactive compounds, and a small amount of fat. Compared to some breads such as white bread, rye bread has a lower glycemic index, which means it causes a slower increase in blood sugar than white bread after being eaten.whole grain rye
: Rye bread contains a large amount of fiber, a wide variety of bioactive compounds, and a small amount of fat. Compared to some breads such as white bread, rye bread has a lower glycemic index, which means it causes a slower increase in blood sugar than white bread after being eaten.
Glycemic index is most important if you have diabetes or if you have reactive hypoglycemia.
There's a lot of shit you need to know if you work in the Shoutbox.
Cool! the only other bread guy I've met is The Gingerbread man. Gingerbread is recommended for long distance runners because as the man himself says, "Run, run as fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the Gingerbread man."
That's why the scientific paper that I shared recommends rye bread to people with diabetes
White bread actually has a higher glycemic index score (100) than straight sucrose (65). A 100 is the highest you can have, equal to straight glucose.
I don't have diabetes, but I will get a sugar crash if I eat foods with high glycemic index scores because my body apparently reacts with too much insulin.
There's a lot of shit you need to know if you work in the Shoutbox.
Arguably you need to know a lot more shit to work in the shoutbox than in other threads. We used to hold interviews, but things have gotten slack. There should probably be a section on @Jamal's "why do you want to join TPF" survey that he sends to potential members.
Your dehumanising language is deplorable! You wouldn't dare refer to @Hanover as "it". But anyway, if you read the biography, it's clearly a marathon, not a sprint.
I'm pretty sure those are rye seeds...I'm working on knowing a lot more shit.
Your response made me go back and check. Most rye bread has caraway seeds, which I misidentified as fennel. Caraway adds an anisey, licoricey flavor to the bread. That's the flavor I usually associate with rye bread.
Keeping in mind that in order to be knowledge, it has to be justified true belief. A lot of what's in the Shoutbox isn't true and lot of what is true is not justified. And, to be honest, a lot of what I write I don't actually believe.
I’m sensing a lack of serious Shoutbox commitment here TC.
I take my responsibility to the Shoutbox very seriously. I have one rule - If no one has posted within 24 hours, post something, no matter how stupid, pointless, untrue, or trivial.
I take my responsibility to the Shoutbox very seriously. I have one rule - If no one has posted within 24 hours, post something, no matter how stupid, pointless, untrue, or trivial.
Admirable. Do want an official title for your role?
Admirable. Do want an official title for your role?
As I have noted previously, I have already been appointed The Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy here on the forum. Perhaps you missed that. Keeping the Shoutbox rolling is one of the TVSP's responsibilities.
Do you know that Jamal shares Clarky's radical skepticism? If you don't know, you also would be unsure whether he knows he's unsure that we know we're unsure of what we may or may not have known. Consequently, if you do know that Jamal is radically skeptical, does that mean you do know he knows he's unsure that we know we're unsure of what we may or may not have known?
If I want to burn out my sinuses, I just eat a small spoonful of Chinese mustard. I usually do it unintentionally while eating Chinese food.
When I was 15 (and you were like 50), I worked at a Chinese restaruant as a busboy, and the funniest joke dads used to ask me was what part of China I was from.
But more to the point, I'd mix the mustard from the powder and it would burn my eyes, so I'd go in the back to where everyone chain smoked and there were these mollasses coated fly strips hanging from the ceiling that would slap you in the face. That's how I'd get my relief.
I miss that job. They'd try to get me to eat really hot foods so they could laugh, but I'd throw it out the back door, and they thought that was funny too.
A pathetic laptop screen would no longer be adequate for my requirements. I’m now used to my stomatologist with her giant wall-mounted screen that she points at with a pointer while saying things in Russian, of which my wife translates only the bare minimum, which I can’t complain about because I’d get the reasonable response of “learn Russian then.” Once again, somehow this post ended up being about my domestic disputes and failures.
I will tell my dentist that his capitalist, profit driven, surgery/private enterprise, has a poorer screen for showing his patients their Xray's, compared to that of a dentist in a communist/oligarchy with an autocratic gangsta man as the supremo! You probably get faster appointments than we get in Scotland at the moment, as well.
I once worked at a Chinese restaurant in West Cork. They didn't have any Chinese food but no one seemed to notice. I only realized myself years later that Pot Noodle was invented in Bristol.
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Nah, the typo at the end was for effect.
I poured out the sauce that was in the jar, so I could make new sauce and put it in the now empty jar. That seemed the simplest way to approach things.
Quoting Noble Dust
Phones are horrible, horrible things. Beeping, buzzing gremlins constantly needing to be fed attention and tying us inextricably to their empty electronic souls. I wish I could smash every phone in the world into tiny pieces, gather up the debris and scrawl "Free at last! Free at last!" across the moon with it.
Enjoy!
What model of iPhone did you get?
Or is this just more fauxity?
As long as Hanover knows you make your own jerk sauce, it works for me.
I buzzed it in and had it in hand in 30 seconds, but atheists are small and hard to to catch, sort of like gremlins. Vishnu was on my side today.
iPhone SE, the cheapest one possible, just still absurdly overpriced.
There are reasons why Apple is rich.
My proposals for new forum features:
Quoting T Clark
This feature is interesting because when I type "color" in my keyboard it changes the word to "colour" (like I have to "proofread" my spelling)
I am aware that there is a debate on how to spell colour/color and is one of the most thrilling aspects of English language.
Fekin bawbags, the lot of ya
Do any of you Americans call French Fries as Freedom Fries?
I guess because in America you don't actually learn anything in class, you just run shooter drills and repeat the Pledge of Allegiance.
The only way you'd know this would be if you were actually an American in Queen Mum's clothing.
Just who exactly are you?
Don't you mean "...when red by members..."? If the past participle of lead is spelled as "led", then the past participle of read ought to be spelled as "red". But then why is the metallic element spelled "lead" instead of "led"? Shouldn't we also be spelling the colo[u]r red as "read"?
Nothing about that bothers me. I hope to see more actual philosophers speaking up more (the ones with actual degrees).
Is Hanover actually Levi Roots? (or Keith)
Is he now signing bottles of Reggae Reggae sauce as Hanover?
Anyway, I feel like with the additional staff you could open up registrations again, what do you think?
I'm not sure that would make it more likely we'd get more academically trained philosophers. It's certain we'd get a bigger problem with quality, and hundreds more spam accounts.
I currently receive two or three or four requests for invitations each week. A recent one came from someone who had "studied under Searle and Grice", but they turned out to be incredibly obnoxious and got banned.
Is that something that you are interested in doing? I don't have the time to reach out to Guest Speakers; but, it may be of interest to you or others as a way of getting some quality material...
Thanks for the thumbs up. There isn't any controversy. It is well known that people in the UK and their colonies spell certain words wrong. [lie] It is a little known fact that King Henry VIII changed the spelling of these words in the 1530s at the same time he kicked out the Catholics. In US history classes, it is taught that the people who came to the English colonies in the New World came for religious freedom. In reality, most came for linguistic freedom to speak and write the English language correctly. [/lie]
I am a proud member of The Philosophy Forum. I stand by the principle that bad philosophy recognizes no national borders.
Hey, don't complain to me. Talk to Henry VIII. (See my previous post.) Something else beyond Harry and slavery you can blame on the monarchy.
The correct, pre-House of Tudor spelling is "misunderstound."
¡Yo también lo soy! :grin:
As in, "Get the led owt of yor as"? Ar we redy tu swich tu simplifyd speleen? NAUGHT!
Quoting javi2541997
The irregular spelling of English preserves some of the thrilling history of the language, just as the totally stupid spelling system of French preserves the tortured history of that language.
Three things influenced the way English spelling works.
1. England, small island that it was/is, had numerous dialects employing different spelling systems.
2. When printing began in England (after Gutenberg, 1450) printers committed to paper local spelling systems, which contributed to the irregular spelling system.
3. English dictionaries didn't exist at the time.
Another factor is that the language of the Anglo-Saxons (who ran England between the Romans and William the Bastard, 1066) was mixed in with the Old Norse of the Vikings (Danes), the Frisian of the Lowlands across the channel, Norman French, a little Celtic, and more--all before any efforts were made to compose dictionaries (1755, Samuel Johnson) which helped standardize the language.
Hey, here's a link to Johnson's dictionary.
Another factor in English is that, during the 16th/17th centuries, writers like Shakespeare or Milton were creating many new English words based on Latin (and sometimes Greek) roots.
Finally, there is the business of the Americans leaving the Empire in 1776, and how that affected spelling (color vs. colour, etc.)
There's more, but that's enough (enuf) for now.
In Hispanic world we also have divergences related to spelling or grammar. It is the cause of the beauty of the language! Among all Spanish countries we can highlight the following differences:
1. In Spain we pronounce so drastically the letters Z and C, while in South America and Mexico they pronounce them as S. Even they make fun of us because we speak "rude" according to them
2. In Uruguay and Argentina they use "vos" instead of "tú" (you). It is interesting because the noun "vos" comes from the empire era and they still conserve the word.
3. Mexicans tend to speak with a lot of diminutive words such as ahorita, prontito, mijo, etc... we don't use those words in Spain!
Another factor is the heavy regionalism in Spain. If you go to Valencia they would use the Spanish mixed with Valencian words. The same goes for Basque, Catalan etc...
By the way, the last year, a Catalan separatist proposed to Netflix manager to dub squid game in Catalan because he didn't like it in Spanish and many VOX folks got mad with such proposal :rofl:
I should have paid more attention to aprendiendo a hablar Español when I was younger. I took it in high school, but that was before I got serious about anything. Bi-lingual ability would have been beneficial in several jobs, and it is the dominant language in this hemisphere. There is a substantial broadcasting presence in the US, too -- not so much in some parts of the country, but certainly on the west coast and the SW part of the country (which we swiped from Mexico), and the northeast metro regions.
When I was in college, my advisor dismissed Spanish as a trivial language! "After El Cid, what is there?" she said, sneeringly. (That was back in 1964. Have we gotten less parochial since then?) I hope so.
I understand the words of your advisor and despite the fact he shouldn't act sneeringly, it is true that Spanish doesn't have the same importance as English, Chinese, Japanese in a labour/professional opportunities. Most of the people who study Spanish they just do it for vocation and we respect so heartly all of those who take the effort to speak Spanish here.
If one day you go to Spain for vacation, don't be shy of speaking a poor Spanish, we will respect you anyway.
Quoting BC
On closer inspection of the dusty sub-basement archived memory banks, I now remember it was "After Don Quixote" what is there?" By the way, it seems like ¡! + ¿? at the beginning and end of strong statements or questions would be useful in English, especially in long sentences where one doesn't know what kind of sentence it is until the end.
Why do you think it was that Spain did not develop a larger body of world-class literature than it did? ¿In the 15th century, maybe England was a more prosperous society with a growing class of people who could consume literature? Was it the early founding of universities (Cambridge, Oxford)? Was it the peculiar history of the language and the influence of the French (perish the thought)?
But the French speakers, at least in Québec, pass laws in a further (vain) attempt to preserve that tortured history. Consequently, you can't buy a hot dog in Montreal, it'll be a steamé, or a toasté. It used to be that you could buy un hot dog, but the French language preservationist laws insisted that it be advertised as un chien chaud. That didn't seem to go too well so now there's a choice, steamed or toasted, depending on which of the two expert preparation techniques you prefer. I like my dogs boiled until they swell and split, so I think they should offer a boilé.
The Quebecois Police Langue need closer supervision by sensible people.
Sandwich au hot-dog will do.
Surely you haven't read much lesser known philosophers' published works to say that.
The forum is abundant with great exegetical posts :up:
I enjoy the exegetes' own take on various subjects.
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Despite 16th and 17th centuries was one of the best time lapses for Spanish literature and culture, our society never made a big effort in terms of culture as Englad did. Instead of making Spanish a language of theatre and novels, it was used by landlords, bourgeois and the clergy. The popular classes had no access and the books were only written by intellectuals, who used their works to attack the powerful classes.
If you read one book lf that period of time such Don Quijote and El Buscón, you will see the same pattern: Picaresque and social critique.
Quoting BC
Quoting BC
Perhaps your advisor was speaking before Spanish-language literature became world famous, notably for magic realism. But between Don Quixote and the second half of the twentieth century, there isn’t much that I’m aware of. I suppose that’s a combination of my ignorance and where I’m from, and an actual lack of literary production in Spanish compared to English, French, and Russian, over that period.
But it only takes one great literary work in Spanish to refute your advisor’s claim that Spanish is a trivial language. To go from a relatively small number of great works to an intrinsic deficiency in the language is a suspect logic.
If you go to the convenience store and buy a roller dog, it'll come with a steamed drawer bun.
I like the dogs that have rolled the longest. They're sort of like jerky dogs.
They go good with a bag of chips and Gatorade. I'd recommend blue flavor and maybe treat yourself to a dessert of Snickers. Why not? You deserve it!
Hot dogs are cheap fast food that you can make quick or carry around at a ball game or a backyard cookout where I'll make small talk and act like you're fascinating.
What I really enjoy is a thick dripping German sausage tightly in the bun. But who doesn't?
I like pumpernickel pickled herring sandwiches.
Was it real Pumpernickel or American brown bread?
https://www.196flavors.com/pumpernickel/
Being a bread guy, I was thinking of making some real Pumpernickel, but the ingredients are hard to find, but being a bread guy I might be able to find some.
I like pastrami on rye, which is much better than the goyishe whitebread variety.
Pastrami on rye is great, some would say even better than pickled herring on rye. But rye bread of various kinds is hard to avoid in Russia and I need a change. Even their favourite fizzy soft drink, kvass, is made from rye bread.
Anyway, I realized today that it’s an amalgam of two small North End shops: Galleria Umbertos and Parziales. Anyone been to either? Fantastic.
Maybe too close to home, except the bit about finding a new girlfriend among the moderators.
Yes. The opportunity to tune up my intellect is the most important thing about the forum for me.
This morning I groggily read this as coming from @T Clark. It seemed slightly out of character.
Quoting Jamal
Sounds delightful. Anything else on them?
Pumpernickel, German sausage, hot dogs, Pastrami on Rye, these are all things I love to see discussed. A deep cut at Jewish delis here is Pastrami smoked salmon.
Truth be told it’s not really sandwiches. Just pile the herring on top of some kind of dark rye bread—I like it toasted but sometimes it’s fried in garlic—with sour cream and slices of onion, served with potatoes.
Interesting. Still sounds great.
By the way, as to hot dogs, I'm not sure what the experience would be like to a foreigner, but to @Hanover's point, the ideal way to enjoy one is arguably in the nose bleeds of a Major League Baseball stadium in the blazing heat, at risk of getting heat stroke, but tempering it all with a 24oz of some shitty beer such as Modelo Especial. Keep the beers flowing and the hot dogs will keep flowing too.
If you drink enough beer, the quality of the hot dogs doesn't matter. If you eat enough hot dogs, the quality of the beer doesn't matter.
Since we're talking hot dogs - Maple Leafs when I eat them on buns. Love the crunch of the casing. Hebrew Nationals for beans and franks. Denser and meatier.
Is your reference to the darkest corners a slight on American products or are you guys just in need of light bulbs? If the latter, I can send you some. If the former, come at me bruh.
When in NYC, I like to go to the Sabrett's hotdog stand and order a bowl of month old hot dog broth. The taste of old dogs, the aluminum liner, and the vendor's hands is perfection. I typically finish it off with a pack of Winston's menthols that I pinch the filters off of.
Neither. It’s a sad fact that trade in American goods is an illicit underground activity carried out in dark corners where shady individuals deal out Reese’s peanut butter cups and Yankee candles for outrageously inflated prices.
Hm, must be a cultural thing. The traditional fare at British football matches is a meat pie and a mug of beef tea.
Yes, we’ve all heard the same old baseball jokes before. I love the game; I grew up playing in leagues and umpiring. Once you know the ins and outs it’s addictive.
Even in Germanish Minnesota, actual pumpernickel is all but non-existent. The stuff sold in stores as pumpernickel is just indifferent dark-colored bread.
Didn't Wagner write an opera about those?
I like the idea of baseball. It's philosophical - the rules are so arbitrary and arcane that it teaches us viscerally about the structure of human thought and values. I also like it because it is one of those things, like fishing and hunting, that are traditional and draw families together. The thing I like best about professional baseball is walking up the ramp and into the stadium and seeing the brightly lit green field for a night game. That said, please don't make me watch. I wish I liked it but I don't have enough patience. My elder son does love it. One of the reasons he gets along with his girlfriend so well is that she does too.
Yeah, I suppose the way points (runs) are scored is pretty weird. But the depth of strategy and the variables of gameplay that stem from that system are exponential. I would argue baseball is the most complex of the major professional sports. Yes, walking out of the tunnel and seeing the field never gets old.
Some folks like to link to their own posts, others are merely repetitive, but I cannot find an entirely satisfying solution.
But more importantly, are you lot all cribbing each other's ideas, or is this the collective unconscious exposing itself?
Yes and no.
As to complexity, when I coached the six and under Cardinals, I can attest you could never get the kids to run the right way, to throw the ball to the right person, to remember the cap and glove when they ran out to the field, or to know when they were to stop climbing the fence and go up and bat. Soccer was easy. You just yelled "run" and "kick." So, yes, baseball's got some complicated rules.
But, as to strategy, it doesn't have the military play concepts of American Football. I would think once you've got the best players, how much coaching matters in baseball is limited, as opposed to football where a coach truly matters.
There are plenty of interesting philosophical subjects to cover. Unfortunately, there are a few that seem to get discussed and re-discussed to the point of saturation. Such subjects include:
Once I counted four threads related to free will on the front page of the forum at one time.
Yes I have noticed the ongoing competition between the two of you in the game of "How wrong can I be?" And the answer in this case is "completely wrong". Well done.
The true answer of course is that my pearls are so lustrous as to shine in any thread.
And there always needs to be a choice of free will threads, and one determinism thread.
I think they'd just need to tell random stories and throw in the words vagina, penis, and diarrhea cupcakes and that would create some really good material. A little edgy I know, but that's how I roll.
I'll ask @Michael to do build that program. He just needs to write himself a Post-it note and he'll get right to it.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
People just can't help themselves.
That's why we need whips, chains, and moderators.
I reckon American Football has the most complex and structured play format. For baseball, it’s more about the mind games between the pitcher and batter. That’s basically the game, which I suppose is why people find it so boring. The complexity comes from all the variables; the pitch arsenal of the pitcher, the strengths and weaknesses of the batter, the circumstances of the at bat. I’m probably wrong, but I’ll stick by it.
As I said, I'm not a fan, but I've always found defense more interesting and exciting than pitching and hitting. A home run is a home run, but a throw from center field into the catcher's mitt in exactly the right position to tag the runner out is beautiful.
I like a routine ground out to the second baseman and a lob to first as the runner lazily trots to the bag knowing he will soon be turning toward the dugout to grab his glove in anticipation of the next inning. It's soothing to me, like the steady ticking of a clock.
My second favorite play is the same thing, but instead of the first baseman stepping on the bag, he waits and tags the runner in the face with the ball. That one always wakes up the crowd.
Whose fault is it when continents collide if not Gaia's?
Please, do not miss the full moons of 2023. There will be 13 full moons!
If someone is interested in full moons, here is the main page where you will see the specific time zone and more details: Full Moon Calendar 2023.
If there is ever an event that should make us all understand, that we are one planet and we need to unite as one species, its a natural disaster. It's non-discriminatory, being a theist, atheist, scientist, rich plutocrat, aristocrat, celebrity, innocent baby, etc, wont protect you, if by happenstance, you are in the Earthquake zone. Prayer is utterly useless, better to demand that the Turkish authorities try to develop better early warning systems, well practice fast evacuation techniques and ways to build structures that are as earthquake proof as possible.
As useless as tears.
I understand what you mean, but I fully encourage the tears anyway, lest folks implode with the grief of the loss of those they loved. I even understand the need for the useless prayer, for similar reasons.
Desperate people make desperate appeals to any notion they harbour of supernatural justice against what they will perceive as a 'natural injustice' visited upon them.
Natural disaster was always associated with 'angry gods' in the past. That's why humans invented the desperate 'blood sacrifice' concept to sate those angry gods. The Christians are still quite dependent on the notion. Unfortunately, old tribal human sacrifices did not have the Jesus advantage of being able to be sacrificed to yourself and then pop back up again, suggesting that it was no sacrifice at all.
An immortal cannot die, so cannot be offered in sacrifice.
There's no educating a fanatic. :roll: More cross-bracing and movement dampers, I say, and let people implode.
Even a fanatic can learn to stop being a fanatic.
Quoting unenlightened
Only in protest against the Turkish and Syrian Authorities who left people completely unprepared, rather than 'as prepared as they could be,' considering they live near tectonic fault lines.
Corrupt governance always means more people dying of causes other than old age.
Such circumstances will not stop until WE can prevent corrupt governance.
They don't, though. It becomes a stable part of their identities. They'll just rage until they die.
Just like a good atheist... When an international disaster comes along and many people have died or are in danger, that's a good time to pick a fight with theists.
How do you know I am a good atheist? But I appreciate your faith in me anyway.
How would you help the people of Turkey and Syria after such a natural disaster?
Will you pray for them? or suggest they organise and fight for changes to the sociopolitical system they live under?
Probably neither, but I think a gesture of goodwill is probably worth more than a suggestion for self-improvement at a time like this.
Money, bottled water, shelters, clothes, generators, road repair teams etc.
Prayers and tears are not ways of helping, but expressions of empathy.
Quoting universeness
This on the other hand is a fucking heartless ignorant insult to people who have been fighting a civil war against a bloody tyrant for the last 12 years.
I agree with your 'not at a time like this,' but many many thousands of people have died in places like Turkey and Syria due to Earthquakes, for many centuries now. I think they should spend more money on early warning systems and survival tech for their people than the many billions they spend on Islam.
I'm ready to leave it at that.
How do you suggest they prepare for the next one, considering the Earthquake history of Turkey and Syria?
Quoting unenlightened
Which tyrant are you referring to? Erdogan, Assad, Putin et al?
Who are the real tyrants in the history of such countries? The latest 'tyrant of the month' or tyrannical systems such as past theistic monarchies, embedded plutocratic power bases that use religion to opiate the population. Dynastic family structures that control the means of production, distribution and exchange and refuse to allow the majority of the population to become educated, etc, etc.
Try to direct your irrational, knee jerk style ire towards those who deny their people all the protection against Earthquakes which our current global tech can offer. If you do so, then one day you might earn a better handle than unenlightened.
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"Nothing fails like prayer" is a snappier phrase.
Of the three - Erdogan, Assad, Putin - Assad has the worst tyranny score (# of atrocities per square km times years). Putin's score is lower because Russia and Ukraine are much larger than Syria. If we extend the formulae to include the predations of Bashar Assad's father, the Assad score is even worse. I'm not happy with Erdogan or Orbán either, but they haven't achieved nearly as much on the fields of infamy as Assad has.
Not in the same class as the others, Putin is risking far more than the rest. [probably] Nobody is going to start a nuclear war over adding or subtracting a few hundred km2 of state control in Syria. Nobody is going to nuke Damascus unless Assad maybe tries to seize Israel.
Turkey has a population of 85 million, gdp per capita of $9,660. Syria's population is 21.3 million and a per capita income of $533.39. Syria's GDP peaked at about $10,000 in 2010, and took a nosedive thereafter. Turkey isn't rich and Syria is (now) definitely poor. Building earthquake resistant housing and infrastructure for 100 million people in developing economies is a long shot. Their usual building materials -- unreinforced concrete, brick, and block -- are what they could afford. Unfortunately, they fall apart when stressed.
Every significant problem we face on earth should have been addressed starting 50 years ago, whether we're talking about global warming, antibiotic resistance, or earthquake-sturdy buildings. Today is always way too late.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated the long-term price tag for the war in Iraq at around $2.4 trillion. Another 2 trillion was spent on the war in Afghanistan. $4 Trillion, or $4,000,000,000,000 to achieve nothing of even short-lasting value.
Had we effectively spent just one (1) Trillion dollars on quake-resistant structures in the Middle East quake zone over the last 50 years, we could at least say we did what was reasonably possible.
Hey, someone's made a funny joke about my name, as if names had to be justified, like everything else in the universe. I direct my ire at bad philosophy on this site, because that is what I can do here. Your high horse is lame, and it would be a kindness to it to dismount.
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Amusing I suppose, but it is only fundamentalist Christians and perhaps Muslims who believe prehistoric humans ever encountered dinosaurs. Atheists should know better. Perhaps sabretooth tigers would make more sense.
I knew you would enjoy it.
You Win! :grin:
Yes, because money dictates! It's nurturing personal profit/wealth/status/power over nurturing people.
The tech is available for better 'earthquake resistant buildings.' Better 'early warning,' systems and fast evacuation plans, are also available. In some very rich houses in earthquake zones, they even have 'survival pods' which can survive the building collapsing on top of you, if you are inside the pod. The money trick and the chains of backwards religious dogma are used by the nefarious few to control a mass of people, with promises of a better life AFTER THEY ARE DEAD! These are the base problems that should have been dealt with, centuries ago.
As a socialist yourself, you will know, our struggle continues because WE have so far failed to deal wih these problems. We have improved the situation for millions imo but it's still not enough.
The Assad's are just another nefarious dynastic family, who are currently, mere Putin puppets.
I lay any current or recent (past few years) deaths/murders caused by Assad's forces (which are mainly Russian forces,) at Putin's door.
The Western leaders have a lot to answer for as well, for what is happening in that area of the world.
Saddam Hussain and Muammar Gaddafi would not have reached the heights of power they did or have been able to kill so many with impunity, without the support of the West. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, is a highly problematic approach, despite the truth that in a world war scenario, it can be the better choice between two evils, (eg Stalin/Hitler).
Quoting BC
Some problems should have been dealt with 300,000 years ago. The first tough guy who wanted to be King/Chief etc of any 'tribe' should have been killed by the tribe. Money should have been dismissed as a terrible idea, when it was first suggested.
Quoting BC
:clap: :clap:
:lol: Again, you leave yourself wide open! Unenlightened is YOUR NAME?? You must have had very interesting (and rather cruel) parents. You must try to employ more clarity, in what you type, so that you might stop shooting your own feet.
As I suggested to you earlier, try directing your ire at the nefarious characters that continue to f*** up our world, instead of what YOUR knee jerking, interprets as 'bad philosophy,' on this or any other site.
I don't envisage the imaginary 'high horses' that you do, when I consider what you type. I just consider what you type, and I consider it an attempt to be kind to you, when I try to assist you, to see the shortfalls in what you type. Yeah, I know that sounds a bit arrogant on my part, but you are a cheeky wee interlocuter, so YOU DESERVE IT!
Quoting BC
Sometimes, another says it better than I.
If you remain unenlightened, I suppose you need rational ideas repeated to you regularly.
See, I can be a cheeky interlocuter to! :grin:
Quoting universeness
Quoting unenlightened
Quoting universeness
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is a straightforward demonstration of the power of prayer. Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.
:roll: Yeah, just you keep shooting your own feet. A clear demonstration of your ability to use a Trump style approach of selective copying and pasting to produce fake news. I suppose that does demonstrate the power of prayer at its deceptive best, and yes, seeing that, in what you typed, is quite 'straightforward.'
Now I'm crying.
Do you like this song? I think it's one of Trump's fav's:
:lol: That's ok mate! I was never confused! I think you concentrated too much, on the storyline of 'dry your eyes,' rather than the underlying message it delivered, of being enlightened enough, to know when you should quit trying to come back, in an exchange, you lost a few posts ago.
Ah! Now I understand; thanks for explaining. You were having a competition in which you were both competing and judging. I'm so glad you won.
Your attempts at irony don't seem to be making any headway.
Quoting Noble Dust
Might be better focussing on the situation in Turkey and Syria, than poor wee unenlightened's wounded pride. No house fell on his or his families head, so he and his are fine.
Thousands died unnecessarily, due to corrupt companies, not complying with the building standards for building in an Earthquake zone. The number of buildings which have collapsed pancake style is utterly disgusting, and the fact that building standards were not adhered to, is down to the level of corruption in Erdogan's regime.
You are an engineer @T Clark, what do you think of the fact that whole area's of buildings collapsed like pancakes? Surely they were not erected under strict Earthquake zone standards!
Most of the poor sod's who died and are still dying under the rubble in Syria, had no chance, considering how they have been abused by the West, the East and their own home grown f***wits, since the West invaded and then abandoned the place and left it utterly devastated.
They are still shouting 'god is great,' every time they pull a survivor from the rubble.
I don't blame those who are shouting 'god is great' in those circumstances.
I just despise the corrupt people who have caused many more deaths that would have happened, if they had worked hard to protect the people from such threats, instead of only being interested in their own wealth, status and power, and looking after their own nearest and dearest. These nefarious people, use religion as a weapon, to keep the people down and keep them quiet, afraid and compliant.
Let's talk about that and not unenlightened's wounded bird act.
According to the web, Turkey passed a new seismic building code in 2007 but it is not enforced diligently. Turkey has a recent history of earthquakes with large losses of life.
I was just watching the news from the disaster zone and a few 'experts,' in and outside of Syria and Turkey are beginning to voice their opinions of how surprised and shocked they are, at the number of buildings that collapsed in the way they did. If the new codes you mention had been followed. The people who have lost so much, surely have the right to know about those who died, due to the corruption they live under.
People will keep dying unnecessarily, as long as corrupt officials/leaders are not successfully held to account by the people they represent. That's just a general fact and the horrific consequences of the Earthquake that's happened in Turkey and Syria, demonstrates the obvious truth of my first sentence above.
17,000 died in the 1999 Izmit Earthquake in Turkey. It looks like this one is going to surpass that death toll. It seems the level of corruption in the building industry in Turkey, hand in hand with the corrupt people in authority, needed to allow the rich owners of the construction industry to get away with the shortcut methods they use and their continued use of cheap, shoddy materials which contravene the legislated rules for construction in an Earthquake zone is allowed to continue and that is heinous, to put it mildly. All just so the rich can become richer. It's as vile as any notion of rape or murder of innocent people, innocent women, children, men. The fact that this corruption remains, despite the death toll of the 1999 Izmit Earthquake and the so called 'lessons learned,' is utterly unacceptable. Global pressure must be brought on the Turkish authorities to prosecute those responsible and the global community must take responsibility for what's going on in Syria. The Syrian victims are getting almost no help in comparison with the Turkish victims. This is ultimately Erdogan's responsibility, who probably earns money for himself from such corrupt activities.
If I had lost family members due to such corruption, I would initially be in f****** 'bloody revolution' mode, and later, I would realise that the best I could do, is to dedicate the rest of my life, to trying to organise as many people as possible, to change things for the better in Turkey and Syria.
I would certainly consider Allah's lack of help, and prevention, and demonstration of personal corruption, as bad as Erdogan's. I would then reject my disdain towards Allah, as it's silly to hate a non-existent.
I would then see that it's the rich and corrupt people who use religion to manipulate the people, that's the problem, rather than any individual issue about whether or not gods exist.
I would then fight hard for a future socialist, secular humanist, Turkey and Syria, so that the next time a major Earthquake hits, less people will die.
Better than the pub bore act.
If people in pubs, who talk about the injustices in the world, bore you, then you should not join their company. Do you prefer the alternate boring facilitators, who throw their hands up in the air in defeatist acceptance, with such exclamations as, 'well, what can one do?' As they sip their Pina Colada's!
Give me the angry pub bore anytime over the 'part of the problem,' people.
I'm sure the suffering gain great comfort in knowing you are working hard for them into the wee hours of the night from your barstool wagging your finger.
Bless you for your good deeds.
You are so much different from the happy drunk who wasted his night throwing darts.
Who you comparing my efforts with? Yours?
Perhaps you can send them some of your kitchen concoctions or you can pray for them or even send them a signed bottle of your reggae reggae sauce.
Try to focus on the injustice of what happening, rather than trying to find ways to stroke your little ego.
Whatever effort I am making on the behalf of those suffering injustice in places like Turkey and Syria, is probably far more than you. I don't return your blessing for YOUR good deeds. I could also trounce you at darts, drunk or sober.
In this case, you joined @Jamal's company. He owns this pub.
Sure, pub owners can decide who they want in their pubs just like customers can choose which pubs they visit. What's your point?
I don't pretend to be doing anything. I'm just not trying to convince myself or others that carrying on about injustice with those within earshot actually counts for something. The only thing you're accomplishing is having people like me tell you that you're not doing anything. That's not much of an accomplishment after a hard day's work.
You might beat me at darts, but I fully expect that I will be beat you in the upcoming Philosophy Forum Dance Off. Last year's reigning champ, T Clark dazzled us with a seductive two hour Charleston. See you on the ballroom floor mon frere.
Your ridiculous assumption, is you presume to know what I am doing about anything.
Don't judge others by your standards.
People like you telling me that I am not doing anything, means nothing to people like me, as again, you know nothing about what I do.
Mr Clark USED to make good shoes! Clark shoes had a good rep, all over the world, BUT dancin shoes? Nah, never. The Hanoverians cant dance either, never could! Too much time spent in restrictive lederhosen costumes, inside auld bierkellers, listening to OOmpah bands!
Now an old Glesga Savvoy Boy like me. Hah! Make some room sonny!
One berates a government for its restriction of freedom, and then another for failing to enforce those restrictions.
Quoting T Clark
Pub? I thought it was a seminary. So many righteous brothers.
You are talking like those public workers no longer exist… maybe I would sound boring as a seaweed but having public servants - like building inspectors - are necessary to preserve and keep a control over the town. Right? :eyes:
Golf fans on the other hand are the most entitled group of people with atrocious outfits.
Got bumper stickers we need to bring back:
Welcome to Arizona :flower:
Now GO home!
Public health inspectors have been drastically cut back over the years, pest control has been privatised, cladding fire testing was handed over to the manufacturers. I'm talking about trends.
Quoting javi2541997
Absolutely. I'm making a connection between the scandal of Grenfell and the scandal of Turkish buildings, related exactly to those public services being neglected and undervalued.
:up: I see your point now mate!
:up: As is being confirmed, more and more, in the news from Turkey and Syria. Such 'unfettered capitalism,' international political intrigue, combined with pernicious theism, has again caused the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people.
I watched an interview with a Turkish civil engineer, who was involved in the construction of 17 mutlistorey residential properties. They were built in accordance with the earthquake guidelines, and not one of them collapsed. His mother was killed, as she lived in a building which did collapse, as it was not upgraded. He made the statement 'Bad buildings are killing more of us than the Earthquake.'
It matter's that this is said loudly, in pubs, clubs, bingo halls, cheese and wine parties, houses of commons, lords, senates etc, etc. Things might change then. If most people just let it fade away, and go back to making scones in their kitchen and focussing on ego sparring, then the chance for change will be lost again and we will simply wait for the next atrocity cause by 'unfettered capitalism.'
In the UK, if you don't already know, you can donate to the Turkey/Syria appeal at dec.org.uk
Well there it is. Scones are the root of the problem. I've never seen any justification for scones' existence. They aren't much better than what in the US is called a baking powder biscuit.
The key to a quality scone is using very cold ingredients. You will want to freeze your butter and then use a cheese shredder to grate it. Use cold water for your dough, then mix in the frozen butter, but don't knead it too long or you'll melt it. Put it back in the freezer even after you've formed the ball for a while and then press it down to the proper shape and cut and bake it.
By leaving the small shreds of frozen butter within the dough, the final result is flakier and buttier as opposed to having melted butter throoughout.
Another key to this is to use dehydrated fruit (like cranberry or blueberry) or you can use nuts, but you don't want to use something with too much moisture or it will make the area surrounding the fruit soggy.
Are you that blonde lady from the food channel?
As representative examples of TPF members, we would like to know how many pieces of kitsch you own. Just in case you don't know, kitsch = a low-brow style of mass-produced art or design using popular or cultural icons. There's nothing wrong with being low-brow; there's nothing wrong with kitsch. Every society has kitsch -- even the Neanderthals had low-brow stuff sitting around their caves.
I admit to kitsch.
If you possess now, or have ever possessed, a black velvet portrait of Elvis [or something like it] or a little Manneken Pis (pissing boy) statue from Brussels, you are qualified to participate in this discussion. The gates of kitsch are wide -- they have to be in order to accommodate the extra large loads of things that will fascinate you -- being delivered to a store near you--RIGHT NOW.
I have a lot of stuff around my house. I tend not to throw things away that might possibly be of use in the future. But nothing I would classify as kitsch. We don't have classy stuff, but what we do have us useful and comfortable. Maybe the closest I come is haphazard ad hoc collections of silver and silverplate flatware, glassware, and china. I showed some of them in the old "Beautiful Things" thread.
I just thought of something you might consider kitsch - I have quite a few aloha shirts that I've bought or been given over the years. Some of them are really beautiful. I love the way rayon feels when it drapes over my shoulders. I rarely wear them any more. I don't consider them kitsch at all, but you might.
My brow is so high I sometimes have trouble seeing over it, BC.
Good god!
Quoting T Clark
Mercifully.
Kitsch. But you don't have to throw them away. Once upon a time it cost a to of money to go to Hawaii and few proles ever did. Once upon a time, Hawaiian shirts were a piece of conspicuous consumption proving one could fly to Honolulu. These days all kinds of riff raff fly there, and you don't have to even leave town to obtain alohaha shirts.
BTW, the Germans suffered from Rayon during WWII. They didn't like it. You do, because of its high tensile modulus, dimensional stability, toughness, and adhesion. That's what engineers think about when they shop for aloha shirts.
Quoting Noble Dust
Maybe you could do an in-service on style for T. Clark.
As I noted, I don't consider Aloha shirts kitsch. And Rayon is wonderful.
None, obviously. I am the epitome of downward mobility, and thus cannot afford kitsch. Why are all guilty pleasures of German origin? Kitsch, schadenfreude etc? I do have a wedding present of my parents A John Skeaping Wedgwood faun
But I don't think it qualifies. Otherwise, we have to make our own decorations, which makes them more folksy than kitschy. You know, patchwork curtains, and macrame plant holders. they might be kitsch if one bought them, but home made, aspire merely to "naff".
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INo, I'm the fiery redhead from the porn channel. Easy mistake to make.
I always assumed you are really Troy McClure. I remember you from such food posts as "Dried out anadama bread" and "White bread, ketchup, American cheese - Pizza!"
While T Clark describes his home as an embarrassing clutter of mismatched dishes and cracked coffee mugs, mine is an eclectic mix of curiosity and quirk.
I am at my grandmother's house. More curiosity and quirk:
Here's my favorite Aloha shirt. I don't wear it anymore because it's probably insensitive to indigenous people.
And while we're at it, here's a photo of some of my favorite flatware.
The larger spoon and fork are Rogers Brothers Oval Thread silverplate. The smaller spoon is sterling silver. It is the spoon which was in my mouth when I was born.
The piece on the right is Rogers, Wm. A.
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The "DofH" caption references the Degree of Honor, a fraternal organization dating back to a post Civil War group, Ancient Order of United Workmen (AOUW). They were the first organization to offer insurance for workingmen. The "D of H" was the women's auxiliary of the AOUW. My parents belonged to the D of H. It was a social lodge organization, sort of like Eastern Star, Royal Neighbors, Masons, and a batch of other groups. They held dinners and dances--and had this flatware. The set was pretty beat up from long use before it came my way after my folks died.
The piece on the left is Target, 2019. I bought a few place settings of this, in case I had company for lunch; this hasn't happened yet. I can manage cooking for 1 or 2. Cooking for 3 would be too stressful.
Below is a piece of coal I picked up near Cumberland Falls, KY. Coal is hard to come by these days, especially polished coal. It has a very nice glossy texture.
Here's a poem which mentions the literary preferences of dogs and cats"
The Revenant by Billy Collins
I am the dog you put to sleep,
as you like to call the needle of oblivion,
come back to tell you this simple thing:
I never liked you – not one bit.
When I licked your face,
I thought of biting off your nose.
When I watched you toweling yourself dry,
I wanted to leap and unman you with a snap.
I resented the way you moved,
your lack of animal grace,
the way you would sit in a chair and eat,
a napkin on your lap, knife in your hand.
I would have run away,
but I was too weak, a trick you taught me
while I was learning to sit and heel,
and – greatest of insults – shake hands without a hand.
I admit the sight of the leash
would excite me
but only because it meant I was about
to smell things you had never touched.
You do not want to believe this,
but I have no reason to lie.
I hated the car, the rubber toys,
disliked your friends and, worse, your relatives.
The jingling of my tags drove me mad.
You always scratched me in the wrong place.
All I ever wanted from you
was food and fresh water in my metal bowls.
While you slept, I watched you breathe
as the moon rose in the sky.
It took all my strength
not to raise my head and howl.
Now I am free of the collar,
the yellow raincoat, monogrammed sweater,
the absurdity of your lawn,
and that is all you need to know about this place
except what you already supposed
and are glad it did not happen sooner –
that everyone here can read and write,
the dogs in poetry, the cats and the others in prose.
My aunt left me the silverware. It was engraved with the first letter of her last name, which was the same letter as mine. She chose me over my other siblings because she said I looked most like my mom, her favorite. That decision didn't divide our profound brotherly love, but instead just put me in charge of losing most of it.
My grandmother had many nick nacks on a shelf, which my brother destroyed when he ducked from the pillow I threw at his head. We were playing the throw grandma's pillows game. She let us play outside the next few hours while she glued everything back together.
I have about 20 clocks in my house, many antique. They gong on the hour and click loudly. Like heartbeats, there are a finite number of ticks. I like that constant reminder so that I will always remember to diligently post here, and not waste my ticks.
Did I mention it's raining here? Pitter patter pitter patter.
Did you lose your brothers love or the silverware?
Nice ambiguity, but worry not, the Hanover clan remains tightly bound, despite the efforts of my spinster aunt to metaphorically cut and splice us with the treasured silverware.
Nothing little boys love more than heirloom silverware, but we persevered.
Cue theme from Close Encounters...
I like the spoon on the right a lot. It looks like it would feel good in my hand.
I really like the poem. It will be an inspiration for pet owners everywhere.
I'm skeptical. I always picture you eating food directly out of take out boxes with your fingers, chopsticks, or, for formal occasions, plastic forks and knives.
Ironically I had visions of posting this weird looking biodegradable fork that was included in a recent food delivery I received.
Sadly (or happily) Ettore Boiardi and his Conagra successors no longer make Beefogetti, Chili Cheese Dog Twistaroni, Sealife Forkables, or numerous other abominations.
BTW, nobody knows exactly how long it takes for biodegradable forks to turn into dirt.
Growing up my brother did enjoy Chef Boyardee (ravioli I think?) but being the insufferable sophisticate I've always been, I much preferred the mac n' cheese option. The microwavable cups, mind you. No clammy tin cans for us.
This brings to mind a song by Dan Reeder, an odd folkoid singer. American but lives in Norway - "Angels May:"
Angels may come and stand around you
And if you don't chase them away
You're sure to go home with the feeling
That this is your lucky day
And they may laugh and they may tease you
And they may take you by the hand
And on a good day they may feed you ravioli
Right out of the can
Similarly to oysters, raviolii (plural) are generally considered to be at peak when the transit time between source and destination is as short as possible.
It is my understanding that canned ravioli sell by dates are always less than a year from canning. Or maybe that was two years.
Quoting Noble Dust
Wouldn't it be 1 raviolo and 2 ravioli? Double ii looks great, though. Have two martinii before the single grande raviolo.
One would think so, but the use of the double "i" is simply a nod to how high the brow is set when it comes to pasta.
Try "eternal".
First, they get filled with micro-organism, which probably happens during the time between when they get produced and when they get used. Silver on the other hand is a very effective antibacterial. Just sayin.
And, after all, they're angels. They wouldn't feed me something bad.
I guess that's why angels like them.
The lady who ran the place was Ukrainian, and she said I looked Ukrainian, so when I told her my ancestry was Ukrainian, she spoke to me in Russian, and she couldn't be convinced I didn't also inherit the ability to speak Russian from over 100 years ago when great great grandpa's boat landed on Ellis Island.
What I did do as a compromise was to say da and nyet to the various offerings she would point her slop spoon at. She'd give me extra large portions as well, as I was a fellow countryman after all.
What would go well with that shirt is chili cheese fries and bowling shoes.
I don't necessarily disagree, but cleaning rayon is a pain in the ass. But bowling shoes? Definitely. No, I don't own any bowling shoes.
Just tell them your size and hand them yours as collateral and the nice lady will lend you a recently defumigated pair.
Yes, I have bowled. Speaking of bowling... Growing up, bowling meant 10 pin. Big balls with holes. Bowling pins shaped like.... well, bowling pins. Where I grew up, there was also duck pin bowling - smaller pins with a similar shape and balls small enough to hold in your hand. You get three balls in each frame rather than two. Knock them all down with one ball - strike. Knock them down with two balls - spare. Knock them down with three balls - 10 points.
Up here in New England they have candle pin bowling. Cylindrical pins. The rules are the same as duck pins, except they leave the pins on the alley between rolls. I think it must be a Pilgrim thing.
Bowling is bigger in the northeast and Midwest because you need indoor activities when it's cold. Down here we go outside, or at least we used to. Now we just stare at our phones.
I'm sure there's a bowling app you can download. Here you go:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bowling-king/id769737983
Here's one for candlepins:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/strike-esports-candlepin/id1446256403
Those are for iPhones.
This is Kalles brand creamed smoked cod roe. That kid really seems to like it. Made by Abba Seafood. Those Swedish kids. Whata you gonna do?
Are you sure that's not hemorrhoid cream?
A picture of an allegedly smiling Swedish boy eagerly relishing smoked fish eggs on hardtack is not the same thing as an actual Swedish boy exercising free will in the dietary department. He hasn't ruined his day by actually biting into this Scandahuvian concoction, you will notice.
Is that a Super Bowl snack tradition in the Clark household?
I find eating a real drag so that stuff might suit me. I eat 5 to 6 times a week and in the meantime consume a tube of condensed milk each day, which is rich in calcium and sugar and keeps me going without the need for solids and all that pointless and boring chewing. I tired hemorrhoid cream once but it tasted funny and it paralyzed my lips.
You should just buy a food processor. Buy a full case of Chef Boyardee, blend it in batches, freeze half, put the rest in Tupperware in the fridge, and you’ve got a months worth of meal prep out of the way. Better yet, bring it with you on the go in a thermos.
That week had really lame hits, most of which I don't know.
I will survive just cranked up, so I've got a head bop going with the radio bouncing about on my cheek.
A thick dollop of ass cream would hit the spot about now.
For all I know, creamed smoked cod roe is hemorrhoid cream.
Geez, you are one dour SoB.
Not in this Clark house. I just ate some traditional pigs-in-blankets my wife made. How she got the pigs to hold still while she wrapped them in dough I'll never know.
That's really more of a @Hanover joke than one of mine.
I thought you said they were in blankets.
Hey, don't ask me. It's your joke.
Similarly to how @Tom Storm eats his Chef Boyardee, you just put the pigs in a blender to create a hot dog-esque consistency. This causes them to hold still, so to speak. They're now much easier to wrap in the blankets, which, when baked, turn into a sort of cooked dough texture.
Speaking of @Hanover jokes.
Thank you friend! and good day to you too! :up:
[sup]— Sarah Scoles · Scientific American · Feb 9, 2023[/sup]
[sup]• the equipment runs 1.1 exaflops, flops = floating point operations per second, exa ? quintillion
• 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 = 10[sup]18[/sup] = a quintillion
• (floating point numbers are an approximation to decimal numbers used in computers)[/sup]
Be nice to have one in the basement. Could make my own weather forecasts.
Alas, when I bought my blender I forgot to get the super king-sized model. Mine will handle cats and small dogs, but not pigs.
Quoting T Clark
I felt like a dick after writing this. Then I came across this while reading. I thought it might add a different perspective.
Tao Te Ching, Verse 12, Lin Yutang translation
[i]The five colors blind the eyes of man;
The five musical notes deafen the ears of man; The five flavors dull the taste of man;
Horse-racing, hunting and chasing madden the minds of man;
Rare, valuable goods keep their owners awake at night.
Therefore the Sage:
Provides for the belly and not for the eye.
Hence, he rejects the one and accepts the other.[/i]
Chuang Tzu, Chapter 12, Lin Yutang translation
THE FIVE SENSES DETRACT FROM OUR NATURE. There are five ways in which we lose our original nature. First, the five colors confuse the eye and obstruct our vision. Second, the five notes confuse the ear and obstruct our hearing. Third, the five smells assail our nostrils and block up our forehead. Fourth, the five tastes foul the mouth and hurt our taste. Fifth, desires and occupations confuse our mind and cause agitation of our spirit. All these do injury to our life, and yet Yang Chu and Motse regard them as (means toward) fulfillment. That is not what I would regard as fulfillment. For if fulfillment means enslavement, how can it be regarded as fulfillment? If so, then the pigeon and the owl in a cage may regard them- selves as having fulfilled themselves. Besides, if a man's mind is cluttered with desires and occupations and his body is enclosed in a fur cap, or a kingfisher hat, and belts and ceremonial tablets, his mind a mass of stuffed confusion inside and his body a bundle of entanglements outside, and he still claims self-fulfillment from behind that bundle of entanglements, then the convict whose hands are tied behind his back and whose fingers are in a squeezer, and the tigers and leopards behind the bars, may also claim fulfillment of their nature.
:up: No worries - didn't take it personally.
Quoting T Clark
Interesting perspective.
Should have got the one that does a quintillion cuts per second, instantaneous blending.
Yes. I read about that today. It's one of those exascale parallel superblenders.
[sup]— Chris Ferrie · Scientific American · Feb 13, 2023[/sup]
Hossenfelder comments further ...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/skdh/status/1625138943405568000[/tweet]
Even if you didn't take it personally, it doesn't mean I wasn't a dick for saying it.
Even if you were a dick for saying it, it doesn't mean he wasn't not taking it seriously.
Thanks for positing those links. Reading the scientific american article, was very interesting.
The 'algebra' involved in the Alice and Bob example using 'quantum information,' would have been interesting to see and I tried the 'setting up your own entangled Qbits,' link, but when I tried to return to the scientific american article, it only showed me a part of it, unless I subscribed to them.
It's also always very interesting and useful to get opinion from Sabine Hossenfelder.
Even if he would have been a dick for taking it personally, I shouldn't have said it.
Sometimes I think I'm funnier than I actually am. Don't tell @Hanover I said that. And sometimes I step over a line that means something to me even if it doesn't to you. And yes, I was just goofing around. I haven't met anyone like you before.
Is this like some weird sexual tension developing here?
He had three pages of them. This is a listing of just the first page. I was reminded of what a cool guy he was and how much he contributed to the forum.
Please don't think this post is intended as criticism for what happened or what decisions were made. That's not my point at all. I was just reminded of how grateful I was for having his voice here on the forum.
With Russia’s Viagra supply cut off, authorities look to generics as backup
[sup]— Francesca Ebel · The Washington Post · Feb 15, 2023[/sup]
36 Russian companies scramble?
Well what have you learned from him? People no longer around either live or die through those they have known or spoken to. Each of us as individuals are, in a way, much like a kingdom. There is a royal court (the conscious), there are knights, squires, and peasants (ideals and virtue, memories, and desires, respectively). There is a courtyard or garden (the mind). Much else. In speaking or teaching another we manifest our kingdom within others and make new alliances with their own.
What has he manifested in you?
You just miss their presence here. :sparkle:
An odd question and an odd post. I am drawn to competence, subtlety, intelligence. There are a few people on the forum who have meant a lot to me. At the top of the list are Timeline, Apokrisis, and StreetlightX. What more reason do I need.
Thanks Javi.
Thought you might be interested:
Quoting Some guy at Stanford
Thank you for keeping me informed of these recent scientific discoveries.
Imagine stretching, erecting, and measuring dicks across the globe for thirty years. That’s either an incredible dedication to science or a true love of dick.
:rofl:
The "average dick" (referring here to phalli, and not to T. Clark's apologies for being or not being a dick) has long been between 5 and 6 inches. Asian dicks tend to be shorter, African dicks tend to be longer. European dicks are between the two,
Who cares? Condom manufacturers care.
You could ask Karex Berhad, a Malaysian manufacturer which produces about 5 billion condoms a year. Or Reckitt Benckiser Group- UK, Life Styles Healthcare - Australia, Caution Wear Corp - US - makes the Iron Grip condom, Church & Dwight Co. - US - makes Trojan, Cupid Limited - India, CPR - Germany - makes Siko brand which doesn't work in English, ONE Condoms US, Sagami Rubber Industries Co. and Okamoto Industries - Japan.
The problem is, and I could be wrong here, is that people tend to visit penises of those within a certain age range of their own. That is, I assume the penises you visited in your 20s were also more or less 20 years old, with the penile age of others who you visited aging with you. What this means is that you've not personally experienced the recent societal penis blossoming because it has occurred in those many years your youth.
What I would suggest therefore is that you experimentally for the purposes of scientific research visit upon the youth (>18 of course) and see if there has been this prospering mushrooming of peni or whether the data we've been provided is felatious.
Your excellent pun did not go unnoticed!
Quoting Hanover
It has not been proved that time passes for the penis at the same rate it does for the rest of the body. A given penis might retire at 40 years age, much to the regret of its otherwise vigorous owner/operator. Another penises might still be vigorous as its owner/operator approaches his grave.
A "visit upon the youth" would provide cross-sectional data on penis size at a particular age. It may be that the Stanford data on penis length was longitudinal (a slice vs. the whole kielbasa). Maybe the data suggest that penises grew in length as their age increased. So, at age 18, 4.8"; at age 38, 6.0". You yourself noticed that your penis enlarges when stimulated (a helpful sign of having a pulse). I read in the Atlanta Constitution that 30 years ago your penis's performance was anemic in comparison to present performance.
Is it a case of use stimulating growth? A penis length study should be made of the several dozen actually successfully celibate priests compared to several dozen sexually prolific celibate priests. What was their dick length in seminary compared to how long was it when they made Monsignor or were defrocked for screwing the entire congregation?
Oh. You made him seem interesting and the majority of his posts were a bit before my time. Just wondering what the guy was about and perhaps taught you throughout the length of his travels is all. Sorry.
I happened upon a plum pie. Gonna have a piece.
Here are links to a couple of my favorite of Streetlight's threads. As you can tell from the list I provided, his interests were eclectic. I especially appreciated his understanding of science.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/2235/networks-evolution-and-the-question-of-life
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/3116/more-is-different
Comedy in the works they say:
Keeping Up With The Kremlin
(first read it as "Keeping Up With The Gremlin", but figure there isn't much difference)
It was disappointing. Underneath the pie- or tart-like visible exterior, it turned out to be more of a spongecake than a pie, with nothing identifiable as a piece of plum except those thinly deceptive upper fragments visible in the photograph, and little that I would call actual pastry. I said what the hell, and my wife said that’s what we call a pie here and it’s delicious, stop complaining. Being for some reason very grumpy today, I vehemently disagreed and ranted about how Russians can’t make pies. Later I came to realize that I had been a whining bore and said so, but the damage was done.
Picky Jamal sat down near a well
Partook of purported prune pie.
He stuck in his thumb
But found not even one plum
And damned Slavic pies to hell.
More Than You Want to Know Department:
The rhyme [Little Jack Horner sat in a Corner ... ] references Henry VIII's liquidation of Catholic monasteries. One Thomas Horner was involved. His name was changed to Jack for rhythmic reasons. The Horner family occupied formerly Catholic property granted to them by Henry until the 20th century.
https://www.npr.org/2006/01/08/5135080/reason-behind-the-rhyme-little-jack-horner
:lol: :clap:
the problem is that there will be no one to support us financially.
[sup]In a stunning development, a neural network now has the intuitive skills of a 9-year-old.[/sup]
[sup]— Darren Orf · Popular Mechanics · Feb 17, 2023[/sup]
Meanwhile ...
Researchers think alien civilizations might be creating black holes to store quantum data
[sup]— Joshua Hawkins · BGR · Feb 17, 2023[/sup]
:)
That is the problem. A smaller workforce (and then a smaller population) means (perhaps a much) smaller economy, with fewer surpluses to support people who are past their sell-by dates. This isn't a distant future problem; Japan has been there for a while. Southern Italy is there. Quite a few places are.
One factor in maintaining population numbers is longevity.
Stargazey Pie is my favorite.
Ah ye a Lundena aferall mate?
I was at the park not long ago and they were having a shortwave meet up, filled with middle aged men with pocket protectors and their super model groupies (that part a joke), stringing antenna wire all around in an effort perhaps to contact Mars. I joked at the nerdome to my wife, only to be told I was likely staring into my not too distant future.
You apparently arrived already. Save me a seat.
And I'm not even middle aged. I'm not sure what that says about my future.
Probably just means you should have an enlarged prostate by your early thirties.
Already there. Is that middle aged? Fuck me if so. I just take my sudden shortwave radio fascination to be a natural extension of my incredibly sensitive and empathetic listening skills, as evidenced by my many model groupies who have told me as much over the years.
I think she tends to dip in and out. I trust she's doing well, and that we'll see her again soon enough.
Thanks for cleaning up my doubts!
I'm sure it was fascinating, but how did it happen 'accidentally'?
It's always a surprising discovery but people have lives apart from TPF. Perhaps she found someone new and exciting. Like any of us guys, only in the flesh. Shawn has been absent for 8 days.
Or perhaps there was a dreadful accident, a case of flesh-eating streptococci, a radical philosophical conversion, dysfunctional equipment, or an unpaid ISP bill.
Quoting Noble Dust
You think you'll make it to 80? Then middle age starts at 40. Middle age was the best of time; it was the worst of time. But youth was not so great either. So far, old age has been the tops.
On the other hand, yes I miss @Shawn's photos of pigs too.
Quoting BC
It is interesting because if we calculate with percentages the use of my hours, I guess I interact more with TPF members than persons of "real life". 60 or even 70 % of my life presence is flowing around here.
So you too! We would all miss your presence!
Other than the blink issue, I'm super chill.
I mean I even posted an arm sammich, and what do I get in return?
Finger muffin.
The Earl of Sandwich repudiates in the strongest possible terms any attempt to associate his name with French so-called bread.
[sup]— Rishabh Nakra, Shreejaya Karantha, Jeffrey Smith · The Secrets of the Universe · Dec 23, 2022 · 7m:29s[/sup]
The hypothesis is that wormholes (relativity) ? entanglement (quantum mechanics).
A connection between relativity and quantum mechanics.
I suppose it does make entanglement less "spooky". :)
Hard to imagine full implications; we'll see what comes of it.
This looks amazing. I have yet to try plum pie. I’ll add it to my list. Damn.
I went straight from high school into middle age. I never liked being young - I hated the experience of inexperience and the music and the culture were a turn off. So I got a Harris tweed jacket, started listening to Mahler and never looked back. I hope to slip into old age momentarily...
hahaha! :up:
With elbow patches, I hope.
I know what you mean. I've always been much more mature than my friends. Prolly cuz my crazy huge schlong.
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He'd join the mourners in celebration of the slain if he had eyes to see the pain or ears to hear the cries.
Meh.
It's probably in my top ten - but I tend to prefer older flicks.
Were you that annoying freshman in college who asked incessant questions in every class? While wearing a newsboy?
If I had it to do over again, I'd go to an African market and be more precise. I need to figure out how to get the texture and sourness of the njera right. It wasn't spongy enough and was a little too pancakey.
For dessert I had a finger muffin. The finger went straight up my nose when I bit in, satisfying my nose picking session for the evening and allowing me to turn in earlier for bed.
I admire your enthusiasm for cooking food from around the world, but what makes you think there is a single 'fully authentic' Ethiopian food flavor? And really, what is "authentic taste" in any cuisine? Is there really only one, and exactly one, 'correct' flavor for any given food?
'Inauthentic versions' of specific cuisines might be uncommonly delicious and in other cases 'authentic' might be another word for disgusting.
With no sarcasm I salute you. I’m not at that level yet. You appear to have suddenly eclipsed both @Jamal and myself, the two resident cosmopolitans, in the home cooking game. I will now be forever bitter and butt hurt.
Isn’t authenticity arrived at through consensus?
Title for new discussion.
:chin:
Yeah, it's often the case that sequels get worse the more there are. I really liked "The First Man." "The Second Man" was ok. They should have quit while they were ahead.
Are you nuts? That movie was fantastic.
Oh here we go again... :lol: different types of squashes. "Calabaza moscada", yes I - more or less - can imagine your dish.
Anyway, African gastronomy is delicious and fantastic. When I attended to college, I had two colleagues from Angola and Equatorial Guinea. They invited me to eat antelope and Yuca (Cassava) and it was so tasty.
Regardless of where food is from, my policy is that 'good food is better than bad food'.
Good food is what you like. In that sense, it's not about taste. What is taste? "Taste" seems to suggest some understanding of authenticity, which, as I mentioned, seems to be a consensus thing. To have "good taste" seems to mean you have an understanding of the consensus about authenticity. That doesn't mean I don't like Taco Bell. I do like Taco Bell. But we can still differentiate between "good and bad" food. Health, of course, plays a roll. Authentic food tends to be fairly healthy. If I want to eat "good" food, I'll probably search out "authentic" cuisine. If I don't care, I might make a trip to Taco Bell, and not feel guilty. But I know I'm eating "bad" food, but I'm still enjoying it.
Do it. I too am shamefully behind on African cuisine. Perhaps you'll motivate me to try the Senegalese Joloff Rice place four blocks from my job.
Now that’s something I’ve had. I used to know a guy from the Gambia and he made it one time. It was great.
Ok, I think you've motivated me to try the Senegalese spot by my work this Wednesday. Please check in with me to make sure I follow through.
I was going to mention, everyone I've spoken to about joloff rice has been effusive.
Have you been to that Senegalese spot yet?
Yes, I just ubered there, ate a take out container, and threw up. Really good stuff.
Did you know that the Gambia is entirely surrounded by Senegal, except for its coastline, and that from 1982 to 1989 the countries were combined into Senegambia?
I didn't, but I just read part of the Gambia wiki and now I do know that.
If 'taste' were only a matter of consensus, then representatives of the masses would be featured in the tastemaker columns of the New York Times and New Yorker rather than the narrow demographic that presently occupies their stables. And reviews would be written about a much different list of restaurants than presently are reviewed.
My cat's name is also Gumbo, as she enjoys okra in all its varied forms: pickled, stewed, and fried, although she lives in fear of the cucumber.
Nothing like hauling a clay pot down to the beach.
Silly. I made that down there with sand. water, and a blowtorch.
These changes are stupid and unnecessary.
The way we call the shit house a toilet or a lavatory or a cloakroom, instead of cleaning it.
Yep.
[quote=Max Horkheimer, Eclipse of Reason]As in the days of magic, each word is regarded as a dangerous force that might destroy society and for which the speaker must be held responsible. […] The difference between thinking and acting is held void. Thus every thought is regarded as an act; every reflection is a thesis, and every thesis is a watchword. Everyone is called on the carpet for what he says or does not say. Everything and everybody is classified and labeled.[/quote]
So you did read that stuff. Thought you were just frontin'. :nerd:
Yes, and I’ll be quoting it wherever possible.
:party:
Little known fact is that Basmati rice was named after Joe "Riceface" Basmati, a notorious gangster who controlled the rice trade and would bust heads down at the pier, who was eventually sent away for killing Uncle Ben for moving in on his wife Jasmine and making her sticky rice.
I suspect some inaccuracies and request references.
But if we take the banana business away from the kids, they kids won't even have bananas.
If you look at it on a map, the Gambia has a really funny border. It looks like it is defined as about 6 miles from the Gambia River, so the border meanders the same way the river does. I assume it was set up by negotiation between interests during colonial times. Africa has other odd borders e.g. the Caprivi Strip, a long thin panhandle in the northeast corner of Namibia which the Germans grabbed to give access to the Zambesi River. Europeans and their progeny ruin everything.
Quoting Noble Dust
Definition of effusive -
So now you're effusive too.
Just like @Noble Dust.
In the UK, they call it a boot or a lorry or something like that. Oh, wait. No. It's WC, which stands for wooly candle.
I've always assumed @Jamal makes up all his quotes just like I do.
Quoting Some guy at Newcastle University
I hope you'll pardon me if I remain skeptical.
No, what you have been exposed to here provides the origin of the expression "woody," describing an untiring erection, which is not only represented by this recent find, but also by various other dildi in this same geographic region, generally descibed as Upper Phallactia.
Can it be a coincidence that Dido was the legendary queen and founder of Carthage, Rome's primary military opponent in the Mediterranean.
Dido is some pretty boring stuff:
Now, Devo, on the other hand, are some top quality flower pot wearing singers:
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. Tracht gut vet zein gut.
They're from Akron Ohio, 10 minutes from my hometown.
There's a problem there...
Quoting wikipedia
Wherever you roam New Wave is nearby.
In recent weeks, members have claimed that nothing exists but me, quantum mechanics proves that nothing exists, substance does not exist, and so on and so on. My formulation is no odder than those. A little-known alternative version of Occam's Razor states - "Other things being equal, there is no reason to choose between equally goofy explanations."
Quoting T Clark
And that's still not as goofy as solipsism, but people talk about that as if were worth discussing.
Seems like the time is ripe to make the TPF wiki page a reality. All sources would be primary. Each regular member could even have their own dedicated page, also backed by our robust primary source while retaining individual anonymity.
I'm not going to do it. Although it may seem as if I am to @Banno and other less sophisticated members, I am not in fact a philosopher, as much as I may appear to be. But, in line with my hypothetical profession, I talk about everything, but actually do nothing.
Good luck with meeting the notability criteria.
Rude.
I'd never mistake you for a philosopher. - i've read some of your posts.
Dreamers will always dream, while pedants pedant.
The best thing about TPF is, nobody cares. We have brought forth wind, and that the offspring of our brains are not worth bringing up.
Your first problem is picking up on social cues.
I'm perfecting the art of denigrating them obliquely.
I'm intrigued. I know I've had Costa Rican coffee before, but I can't place it's terroir off the top of my head. What you describe sounds like what I like. I'll have to find a boujee roastery in Brooklyn that purveys the stuff.
Good job, Timmy. You'll be banno'd in no time.
It used to be labeled "Product of Palestine", but no longer.
The catchline on the back is "Negrita - The Coffee for Thinkers", but I drink it anyway.
And the buxom serving girl is sometimes replaced by Rodan's contemplative colossus.
Looks like pre-ground. I'm disgusted.
Then I am content.
And I'm more sure than I ever have been.
Isn’t this like saying “I recommend you to taste France’s cheese”?
Unfortunately, that involves a bit too much cash and effort. I generally settle for Aldi's German Roast. It is an adequate source of caffeine; it's brown, wet, and hot.
Exquisite coffee can not be made from rubbish beans, but given at least very good beans, I think a lot of the goodness is added -- or ruined -- by the roaster. That said, some coffees (same roaster) just have more and better fragrance, flavor, body, mouth feel... magic.
The other country was Papua New Guinea.
Quoting Jamal
Or Scotland's whisky! :lol: (sorry I feel so motivated and nervous for drinking coffee in the morning)
I have different coffees around the world and it is crazy how the taste variates depending on the country. African coffees are in the top too: Kenya, Ivory Coast and Madagascar. This three are so good.
REASON #1: BAD COFFEE IS LITERALLY AGAINST THE LAW. (as well it should be)
Costa Rica has not one, not two, but eight distinct regions that produce their own unique flavor of coffee. The country’s diverse climate leads to a huge variety of microclimates and humidity, all perfect for growing different varieties of beans.
One of the most famous regions is Tarrazú, renowned for its acidic taste and heavy havy aromas. Brunca produces moderate flavors, while Valle Occidental is recognized for the subtle hint of peaches and apricots in its beans. The diversity of climates and changes in humidity give each region distinct flavors, so you can enjoy Costa Rican coffee eight different ways.
Our diverse tropical climate allows us to produce a diverse array of coffee flavors to suit all tastes. The eight growing regions each have has special characteristics and are famous for different aspects of their flavor, so you can enjoy Costa Rican coffee eight different ways.
:up: :100:
The internet told me this means “Think good, it will be good,” which I can add to my growing arsenal of handy Yiddish sayings. On the other hand, it reminds me too much of my ex-girlfriend, who didn’t speak Yiddish but was into the Law of Attraction, which expresses the same thought, though in a more annoying way.
Don’t worry. When you’re drinking whisky in the morning is when you have to start worrying.
God made coffee expressly for the purpose of us drinking it in the morning. Before the Beginning, God knew what a drag mornings would be for us.
We have a specific name in Spanish for such act: "carajillo", when you drink both coffee and whisky in the morning. The soldiers who fought against USA back in 1898 with the aim of keeping Puerto Rico and Cuba, drank such "potion" to fight against American soldiers.
It wasn't effective...
I drink coffee all along the day, not just in the morning. It is one of my favourites drinks :up:
Interesting. I imagine it gave them courage, but not military effectiveness.
We use the term “Dutch courage”, which apparently goes back to the Anglo–Dutch war of 1665. The idea was that the Dutch had to be drunk to be brave in battle, which in my experience is still true today.
Another interesting fact I learned today!
Quoting Jamal
I guess @Benkei knows a lot of this practice, Netherlands fought against both Spain and England, the Dutch are warrior folks :eyes:
Nope, just renowned drunks. :razz:
Little known fact. On August 8, 1666, war wearied Dutch soldier Johannes Van der Cleek and British soldier Charles Turnipseed met in the DMZ separating The Netherlands and England (go with me here) and shared a meal at the Happy Family Cafe. When the check came an argument ensued over payment, with a final resolution that they'd split the bill. This charming agreement ended the war, and that arrangement was hencetoforthforward forever referred to as "going Dutch." The French donated a statue of Johannes and Henry in a grinding embrace to mark the occasion and it still stands erect in Windmill Square in Dutchland just where the dike blocks the sea.
Quoting Hanover
Instead of replying in kind we came up with "you ain't much, if you ain't Dutch".
But there is no comparison to being American. That's the best rhyme I could come up with.
That's a pretty good one too. Not sure why I didn't think of that one first.
Obviously by skates, I don't mean the shoes with wheels, but the sting ray.
True. They did the same with Scotland.
But today, the English are without exception a bunch of decent chaps and chapesses.
So would you invite Boris Johnson, his daddy and Jacob Rees-Mog around to your house for some afternoon tiffin?
Fantasy dinner party:
Boris Johnson (likes a swally, talks shite, sense of humour)
Karl Marx (likes a swally, strong opinions, philosophically interesting)
Engels (he can buy all the booze)
I’ve lost the will to finish this post.
Jesus Christ and his brother Joseph Christ.
Moses and his sister Miriam and the evil Pharoah
Benjamin Button when he was really old but instead really young
Jack Sprat and his wife of ryhme.
The smell of victory
Herculeus and his brother Corky
@Baden and Porat
That girl in my high school math class who I secretely admired my freshman year who I don't remember her name, but I want her version back then and not so much whatever she looks like 40+ years later, but it would be weird now that I'm older and she would be too young for me now, but this is a fantasy, so I can say whatever I want, but I feel like this description is going on too long and you guys are tired of all this blah blah blah.
James K. Polk, former President of the US.
Debbie Gibson, that singer who used to sing in malls.
Ice Cream, not the name of a fictional rapper, but the actual food, but not to eat, but to dine with.
Three strippers way past their prime who really just needed the pay.
Bertrand Russell
Billy the Kid and the Sundance Kid and Kidd Rock (the whole Kid(d) family)
Bing Crosby
I've lost the will to finish this post.
Ok, but I don't recommend inviting Bertrand and strippers. The dude is notorious.
Can it be rude if it's true?
I've always been intrigued by Papua New Guinea. It shares half it's landmass with Indonesia. It was one of the last places where they still found people that had never seen modern outsiders before up till the 1940s. The land of cannibals. Which, I'm sure, just shows my ignorance. On the eastern side it has lots of smaller islands - New Britain, New Ireland - and it was in the center of fighting in World War 2. The battle of the Coral Sea, the first major sea battle between the Allies and Japan, took place in it's waters in 1942, just five months after Pearl Harbor.
I've visited Europe twice and I loved the Netherlands both times. First off, they named it "The Netherlands," "Pais Bas." It's a nation of engineers and, as an engineer, I felt at home there. On the other hand, I didn't like the North Sea oysters we got in Noordwijk aan Zee. Very strong flavor. Here's a picture taken in an outside restaurant on the beach in October.
That's my brother.
Pretty sure there was some people-eating going on there not long ago.
Otherwise, you know more than I do. Except I also know that its dense tropical forests contain birds of paradise and tree kangaroos, and I also know that there are 839 languages spoken in the country.
That’s a lot of shit to know.
The guy's response to the whole thing was that he told me he was 62 years old and he didn't care about my challenges. I told him that was what losers say.
I just assumed they were local. It's more interesting if they were, so I'm sticking with it. I'm a believer in Hanoverian epistemology - the truth is what makes the best story.
[Edit to clarify] I wrote this post before I read @Hanover's most recent one.
To the extent oysters or vomits have hands, they typically do go hand in hand.
Copied that from Oysterater.com. With Oysterater, you can quickly look up every oyster in existence and see what others have to say about it
I almost vomited, but was able to hold it down.
Holy shit. That's my brother too.
I’m waiting for the next one.
Once we were eating at a restaraunt and my kid was in a child's chair and the lady behind him was seated in a plastic chair, but due to her heft, the chair finally threw in the towel and its legs parted about and she went flailing onto the floor. She knocked my kid's chair forward toward the table, making him ask why the table came closer to him.
She was wrestled from the ground to her feet where she then left, her food still uneaten.
I had the fried crab platter that day.
Scallops are my favorite bivalve, my favorite seafood. Eating fried or seared fresh bay scallops feels like eating steak. I like oysters raw; clams raw if young and small or in chowder if old and big; and muscles steamed.
I was in Annapolis MD over the weekend. The Chesapeake Bay is known for it's seafood, especially crabs and oysters. We ordered oysters on the half-shell and they only had them available from Massachusetts and PEI. The bay has been polluted and overfished for decades.
You guys can keep the clams, oysters, scallops and mussels. :wink:
Off-topic. The conversation is about bivalves only.
Scallops, cockles (a kind of clam), mussels, you name it I’ll eat it.
You are eating in New York, which ought to be able to command truckloads of recently fished scallops. Might be worth your time investigating who is poisoning your food.
I always thought "cockles" meant scallops, since coquilles St. Jacque is made using them. Turns out I was wrong.
I'm bigger than that.
I lived in Cambridge MA in the 1970s and went to the original Legal Seafood in Inman Square. We sat at shared picnic tables and were served by gruff Boston waitresses. Legal branched out to many more restaurants, including some in other states, but was always a pretty good place to get seafood. I've stopped going recently. It's always been a bit expensive, but the original owners recently sold to a conglomerate and they decided to cut down the menu. They got rid of their fish chowder, which is my favorite food in the world. It was wonderful.
The only captain I trust more than D is Crunch, but he's more for breakfast than whatever chowder is for.
The bastards!
I’ve never had them. What can you tell me? What shit do you know?
You’re not the first person I’ve met to tell me this, which is partly why I feel the need to grab a bag and cook them up in some butter and lemon. There’s an excellent fishery down the street from my job. Are they seasonal at all? What sides do you pair them with?
Now is the best time to grab some scallops.
Quoting Noble Dust
Your insides?
Quoting Noble Dust
If you are going to eat the whole bag at once, you probably don't need a side.
I eat them in summer, but I don't know if season matters. Oysters like cooler water, but I don't know about scallops. I love them fried with a light batter. At hoity-toityer restaurants they sear them. Use large bay scallops. Put them in a hot pan with a little butter and let them cook till they brown and crisp on one side, then flip them over. They need very little cooking. The center will be warm and will just have lost its translucence.
As for sides, this will sound weird. I really like them with sweet potatoes mashed with butter and a little brown sugar. I don't know why, but they really go together for me. It also works for cod and other whitefish. If I wasn't going to eat that, I think I'd have spinach. What do you normally eat with fish?
Boston doesn't have a lot of national chain seafood restaurants, what with the sea and all. I think the closest Red Lobster is in Philadelphia. There are lots of little clam shacks and small local restaurants.
My replacement is a pretty good local Chinese restaurant. Peking raviolis, chicken wings, two Bud Lites and I'll all set.
Plump, soft, and succulent. Spaghetti alle vongole in the UK is usually made with them, because they’re the famous local clams.
Senegal came out of nowhere at the end there. It all comes back to Senegal.
I definitely would NOT do this to scallops, but cod fish, especially left-overs, goes well with stewed tomatoes which are generally slightly sweetened.
As for scallops, nothing very intensely flavored, else it will swamp the scallop flavor. That's the problems of Manhattan clam chowder -- the clam flavor is lost in the sauce.
White fish is good with grilled or roasted sweet red bell peppers.
Yes. I never got the point of Manhattan chowder. It's just tomato soup. In Maryland they do the same thing with crab, which has a more delicate flavor than clam. I've had a few milk or cream soups with crab, and even with them the crab flavor is lost.
Oh?
Quoting BC
What?
Quoting BC
As a single man, the bag would contain a single serving.
Sounds good. A simple salad would also be good. I like a bit of acid with fish.
Thanks, Clarky. Despite being a dumpster compressor when it comes to food, I don't much care for sweet potatoes. As to what I normally eat with fish, I guess it skews on the fresh salad side. Maybe a starch as in some rice, but it's pretty malleable.
It does all come back to Senegal. Not sure if I can get cockles in the US, but good to know. I'll keep an eye out.
Yes, I've loved the American versions I've tried. Any pointers as to what makes a real version authentic?
Most fish suppers I’ve had have been bad (too oily or the batter too thick or the fish overcooked) but when it’s good it’s really good.
An important fish ingredient is salt, but that doesn't apply to crustaceans, where the key is butter, with shrimp going either way, but I prefer the salty spicy of blackened there too.
Yeah, I don't either, but they do something with fish and scallops.
Those were good times, but we moved away after pops burned the family home for the insurance money.
Thanks for sharing that pic. Knocked my socks off as well.
It's my understanding that the state fish of Georgia is those little cardboard fish sticks we used to get on Fridays in elementary school.
The Georgia state fish is the 2022 and 2023 National Championship Bulldawgs. They are our state everything.
It is my understanding that the men in the picture were not fishing. They were searching for one of Jack the Ripper's victims. When asked why they were looking in France instead of London, the detective in charge said "The light was better there."
That story knocked my socks off. Hey, I've never heard that saying like that ...but I like it. What I'm more used to is something like "knocked me clean out of my socks".
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It's still snowing. Much more to come.
That's why tomatoes enhance everything, especially cheese and beef. Isn't there something about acid and fat together?
It's been in the 70s here. I appreciate y'all absorbing the cold before it made its way down here.
Though you mentioning tomatoes reminds me that sugar tones down acid. (cooking-flavor wise -- idk otherwise!)
I always add one spoonful of sugar to my marinara, at least.
Thank you for the science/cooking lesson for today.
"The Muppet Show" is on my list of my 10 favorite TV shows. Of course my top 10 list includes more than 10 shows. That's kind of like when motivational speakers and football coaches tell people to give 110% effort.
I should think this way more often.
This is for @Noble Dust and other baseball lovers. Here's a link to an article from the AP on changes in infielder placement I would characterize as goofy. I don't mean that as a bad thing. As I've said before, I don't enjoy watching baseball, but I like the idea of it. I'm glad it exists as one of our most philosophical sports. All the odd rules make it a good metaphor for something... I'm not sure what.
Mmmmm
There is a "motivational" ad that usually appears in our channels. It shows up a chef saying: "I am from the richest country of the world" and then it shows images of products and agriculture of Spain. The spot ends saying: Alimentos de España, the richest country of the world.
They use a trick with the words because "rico" (rich) means "tasty" too.
The dish that appears in the image is called "indurain" and is typical of Basque Country.
I'm eating dried white spicy and sour Thai salad flavor sardines because of the adjectives and all else I got is Pot Noodle. Mmmm or whatever.
I’ve had those, actually. They carry them at the Thai grocery store in Chinatown here. I tried to buy the larb flavor as I love that dish, but the woman behind the counter made me buy the plain and Tom yum flavors instead. They were both…intense.
What’s actually goofy is the defensive trend that lead to that rule change. Teams were doing ridiculous infield shifts where the second basement was in right field. It was based on statistically generated percentages of where a specific batter usually hits the ball. The shifts were sucking a lot of the fun out of the game. 10-20 years ago, the best hitter in the game would finish the season with a batting average of like .350-.360. Last year the leader had something like .310. The shifts had a lot to do with that, so eliminating them should make the game more exciting. Baseball had always been a statistics driven game, but it’s gotten out of hand recently.
Ah, nice. And I definitely recommend the larb flavour. I don't know where mine came from though. Snacks like that just appear in my kitchen on a fairly regular basis. One of the more amusing is "Giant Sheet" seaweed :snicker:
You're right. This explanation takes a lot of the goofiness out of the new rule. On the other hand, it significantly increases the meta-goofiness of baseball overall.
I think a tree would be better than new shift rules, but no matter what you do, there'll be a David and they'll say the rule was not like you agreed.
I know in real baseball, they maybe write it down and can point to it, but I'll bet a David will somehow come up with another book where he wrote it and it'll be back to arguing which book is the right one.
Then it gets dark and the ball about knocks you in the head because how can you see it coming in the dark?
On the field I played on as a kid, the poison ivy was a homerun.
Yes, well. I never did get that southern hemisphere humor.
That's a ground rule double.
"Two bases can also be awarded per home park ground rules—rules created to provide for unique playing conditions of a specific ballpark. For example, ground rules govern the situation when a batted ball is lodged in the ivy at Wrigley Field, or the walkways near the ceiling of Tropicana Field, a domed stadium."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_rule_double
To the extent you've awarded home runs in that situation, I am going to go ahead and enter my protest and ask that you reconvene those contests at the point of the erroneous ruling on the field. After you have completed those games properly, please notify me of the outcomes so that I can modify the official record and give credit where it is due.
If you have problems locating some of the players, please let me know and I will decide how to issue forfeits as necessary.
You know, I never thought of that. I should have been more sensitive.
As you should know, the rules of Little Kid Baseball (LKB) require that all rule arguments be settled without reference to facts or actual rules of any kind. Consistent with that, in 1983 the Supreme Court ruled in LKB vs. Roxanne Royal et. al. that Title IX, which prohibits sexual discrimination in sports, does not apply to letting girls play.
Someone should warn Jamal that @Hanover has stolen his Philosophy Forum password.
I'll show you the way a protest is properly handled textbook style by the Atlanta Braves.
https://youtu.be/X-6ujbLknUc
You complain, throw shit all over the field, and then declare your protest. If you want to see an umpire writing a "P" in the sky to indicate the protest, look at beginning at 3:20 on the video. Just so you know the procedure, but make sure to throw shit on the field first.
My wife is constantly trying to escape an outsized schlong, but to no avail.
I really wish the mailman would just deliver the mail.
Let's let our goofy baseball rule expert have a say in this. - Hey, @Noble Dust, I thought the infield fly rule applied in the...well...infield.
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Exactly. Which explains the throwing shit on the field.
It was a playoff game, so the protest might have delayed the next game, so the commissioner, who was at the game, overruled the appeal from the stands.
Robbed!
It was the goat/schlong conjunction. I did a quick calculation and determined that the odds against monkeys, or anyone other than @Hanover for that matter, typing "schlong" and "goat" together were, as statisticians like to say, unpossible.
For the ladies, my favorite term is cooter. It has a nice trailer park ring to it
The trailer park and the synagogue, two terms never before appearing in the same sentence, have been a major influence in my life, and it warms my cockles to hear my influence has spread.
Triple extendere for those keeping score. Cockles: our favorite bivalve, my innermost feelings, and my schling schlong.
Feel free to use that variation just introduced at your discretion
Yeah that was a terrible call. Protesting the game is extremely rare. Pretty crazy.
Don't get me wrong, I think those Farnarkling sketches are almost as funny as baseball. Let's watch this instead:
That's from "That Mitchell and Webb Look," another of the 25 TV shows on my top ten list.
American comedy shows never use laugh tracks. They are only added to shows being shipped off to the southern hemisphere. They asked us not to tell you so you wouldn't feel bad.
Quoting Some web page
I learned something new.
I'm so glad to be your monkey grinder clown to entertain you. 5000 years if oppression, struggle, and perseverance just to see you smile at my antics makes it all worth while.
Happy to serve.
A better touch would have been to say "you people" instead of "your people." Little things like that matter in the humor bidness, but an understandable goyishe mistake.
What about the Brits and their laugh tracks? Watch Keeping Up Appearances for instance.
But it interesting to note that the laugh-track was an American invention to help audiences know when something was funny. This is either because they had no sense of humour, or the jokes were bad. Or both. Eventually all things US spread elsewhere in the great coca-colonization of Earth.
I realize it was a joke. I cannot expiate the sins of Americans, but the makers of Bennie Hill have their own cross to bear.
I theorize that the laugh track was introduced in order to draw attention away from being a lonely stumblefuck with the illusion you were sharing this moment with others.
So you turned off the tv when a black comedian was performing?
Yes. They come in black.
No, it means none of the things you mentioned is a bivalve.
Ready to walk 8 km in the morning... cheers! and happy saturday to all!
I call this style formal anachronistic neverspeak. It's the way that people used to not talk while clothed in clothes never worn, like steampunk.
Should we start a thread on the Voice? Thinkin' yes. Lookin' for a good way to set it up for them as is from foreign parts.
Sounds like some down south cookin'.
Dinner for the week is chicken shawarma, Mediterranean white bean salad, hummus, and pita. Waiting for the shawarma to finish.
Figures show that more than half of the inflation rate down under is due to excess profits.
Now you just have to walk 8 km. In English units, that's 145 miles.
Quoting Noble Dust
You will not believe it but in my college era I ate that two times per day, oftenly. Just 1 € in my local coffee shop, it was so awesome.
(I think I am trying to cover up the fact that we the Spaniards are just obsessed with eating a slice of bread with oil and tomato :rofl: )
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1159580425/newspapers-have-dropped-the-dilbert-comic-strip-after-a-racist-rant-by-its-creat
Do members here outside of the USA know the cartoon? I guess Mr Adams was tired of making money and entertaining people.
Yep. Wally was a role model for me. The comic hasn't been funny since 1998.
Cartoon is OK. Pity its creator is a brain-dead racist (currently on Twitter defending his remarks in a way that will appeal to fellow brain-dead racists).
I eat Chobani, which is Greek, as opposed to your Icelandic version, as if each nation has its own special way of making yogurt.
Oh I know; like I said, I'm just trying to use up leftovers that will otherwise go bad. Not exactly special. Very tasty, however! I look forward to trying it in American tomato season (around August through October), and with good olive oil and good bread.
I mean, I assume there are differences. I've had Greek, Icelandic, Syrian, Indian, all different from one another. Full fat skyr with fruit added is thick and essentially tastes like frozen yogurt ice cream but not as sweet. I get the health benefits and the simulated experience of eating ice cream at the same time.
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Well, ' have cardamom, will cook shawarma.
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This is like if someone asked me what your name was and I said: "Bald, short, fat, and ugly". It's an apt description but misses the point.
Slice several green tomatoes.
Dip each slice in beaten egg and then
Roll the slice in saltine cracker crumbs. [@Hanover another silent 'b', influenced by "crumble". Dumb, on the other hand, seems to have derived its spelling from Old Norse dumbr and Gothic dumbs ‘mute’. I knew you wanted to be informed.]
Fry in oil, turn when lightly browned. Salt, pepper
Serve hot.
The green tomatoes should be reasonably large, and on the verge of turning pink.
Sometimes served as a side with a main of barbecued Frank Bennett (see the movie, Fried Green Tomatoes).
Here's a picture of fried green tomatoes.
Pad See Ew.
@L'éléphant beat you to it (see above) though I trust you knew it anyway. :up:
Hmmm, is that usually used in legit shawarma? The recipe I use has cumin, coriander, paprika, garlic powder, cloves, and turmeric.
That is the only legit ingredient in shawarma -- if we're gonna be ruthless.
Sad to see him (and many others) have a meltdown brought on by the toxic kool-aid they’ve been drinking. Maybe he’s aiming for a cabinet-level position in another Chump presidency. At which point, I sail the Great Lakes, seeking asylum in Canada... or Sweden, which is next to Canada as I remember from my one geography class.
Good to know. I have some and will try it out next time. I assume a very small amount?
A tablespoon for 2 lbs chicken.
Get the pods, then ground them -- ready-made ground cardamom does not have lasting flavor in the jar.
But that actually is my name. Thanks for blowing my anonymity.
Is your short story author nom de plume B.S.F. Ugly?
One thing you may not know, and that is tomatoes are eaten like apples, where you just bite right into them and have them drip down your chin, like a spent lover.
I just got a mortar and pestle today. I can do all sorts of pharmaceutical preparations now.
The good and the bad -- all good. Rubs and drugs, as they say.
No cardamom.
The remainder of lunch - an impromptu event for unexpected guests - was fresh whole cherry tomatoes prepared in this way, focaccia, warmed; falafels, humus, cucumber shaved with lemon juice and zest, and a few pickles.
And black tea.
He began with the results of a Rasmusson poll in which 1000 Americans were asked subjects if it was OK to be white. 26% of blacks said 'no', and 21% were not sure. So "47% of black respondents were not willing to say it was OK to be white." Adams says that that makes blacks a hate group. "The best advice I can give for white people is to stay the hell away from black people." "There's no fixing this; this can't be fixed."
I don't know whether most, many, or hardly any white people agree with Scott Adams that blacks are a hate group. Probably not. I don't think black people are a hate group. It does seems clear enough that a majority of white people prefer communities where black people are NOT in close proximity or do NOT exceed a minimum.
So, 2 points:
The statement that black people are a hate group was connected to this Rasmusson Poll, which is behind a pay wall. He takes up the poll and makes comments on what the poll meant, or seems to mean.
The other thing is that what he was suggesting white people should do is what white people have been doing for a long time -- putting distance between themselves and black people (and other minorities). The suburbs began their expansive growth after WWII as segregated communities. To a large extent, the suburbs still are segregated.
In the context of the vlog discussion, I don't think Dilbert (and Scott Adams) deserve to be canceled.
The F.E.B. goes back to the 14th/15th century, but was standardized by the Edwardians. So the Internet says. I thought that the beans arrived as part of American war relief during WWII, and they developed a taste for them, in much the way dogs develop a taste for cleaning rags and such.
I had not heard of Scott Adams, and wasn't much interested in the Dilbert comic strip. I don't recollect having seen much about the Rasmusson Poll either. Their polling methods (according to Wikipedia) involve automated phone and internet surveys. I've heard about 4Chan (and 8Chan?). I had not heard about an "It's OK To Be White" 'campaign'.
Automated surveying isn't a problem -- I've taken some poll-initiated surveys on both the phone and on line, and some of them ask the sort of questions one would expect a legit survey to ask. Others are clearly not. So, rhetorical question: if one surveyed a random 1000 people, how likely is it that a large percent would be familiar with IOTBW? I suspect that right wingers and their left wing adversaries are the only subsets of the general population who would be 'in' on IOTBW. According to one ranking, Rasmusson was 24 out of 28. Not highly respected.
As for Dilbert... I assume there is no explicit right-wing slant to Dilbert that would have caused editors to suspect him of being a liability?
Clarky, the next time I recommend you not miss cardamom, at least in a drink. You have to taste kombucha with cardamom; is strong, aromatic, stimulus and healthy.
I had a chicken shawarma for lunch yesterday in a shop called Knaker (both Ks are pronounced). They apparently forgot to put any spices in it. In fact, they forgot to include any flavour at all. But that’s Russian shawarma for you. I intend to try doner here to see if it’s more authentic owing to the Turkic influence—I’m under the impression that shawarma and doner are basically the same, but that doner is more specifically Turkish, whereas shawarma, though also originally Turkish, is now more associated with Arabic countries.
What a bummer. I haven't had doner; there's not much of it here, but I know there's a few spots. I associate that more with Germany; I was under the impression Turkish immigrants brought it and it became a thing there. I could be wrong. There are definitely plenty of Lebanese and some Syrian and Yemeni spots here that do shawarma.
Fun fact: Mexican Al Pastor originates from Middle Eastern immigrants bringing marinated slow spit-roasted meats to Mexico in I think the 1800's.
Yes, but not just Germany. It’s big in the UK too, probably all over Europe in fact.
I’d never heard of Al Pastor. Having now seen a picture, yeah, that all checks out.
It's brilliant. Occasionally.
I already know the context. And in that context, he's a scummy racist using and abusing the results of one poll that suits his purposes to justify a call for segregation from and hatred against blacks (who wouldn't hate a hate group?). Nothing that you said makes anything he said less racist, stupid, or unjustified. Whether or not his comic should be banned due to this is a different matter. As it happens, market forces dictate racism is bad for business and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't mean to denigrate cardamom, only to point out that there was none in the Rice Krispies, milk, and Mike & Ike's I ate. I just checked the ingredients list to verify. No cardamom.
I thought that was a song by Muppet character Albino Kermit.
Someone should tell Jamal that Rudy Giuliani has stolen his forum password. It's possible @Hanover sent it to him.
About kombucha... I highly recommend it. For those unfamiliar, the active ingredient is a probiotic that is a symbiotic organism that’s part yeast, part bacteria. Our intestinal flora in modern times is very often very weak and compromised. Antibiotics, as necessary as they are, can kill much of the “good” microbes within us as you well know.
Article about the human microbiome here.
:gasp: I suppose it hasn't made it's way to Europe, let alone Russia. It's great. They put pineapple on it which I don't need, but it's nice. Not to be that guy, but there's a much rarer version called Tacos Arabes that I like better. It uses flour tortillas instead of corn (hence the name). I've only found two places that serve it here, one of which is gone. The one still around is the better of the two, and simply tops the pork meat taco with an avocado salsa and a chipotle salsa. Perfect.
Too late. I suggest a new user name for you - @That Guy.
Mexican food in general has not caught on much in Europe, no doubt because of a severe lack of Mexicans. That said, I do have a Mexican friend in Spain, but she’s a terrible cook.
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I highly recommend this beverage too. I drink “Komvida ”, which is made by two girls in the south of Spain in their garage. They have nine different types of Kombucha. My favorites are green tea and “Gingervida”
My brother and I went to a really bad Mexican restaurant in Frieberg, Germany when we were over there. I wonder what made us think that was a good idea.
The article that @0 thru 9 referenced is good information.
Children that grow up in excessively cleaned environments may have a poorer microbiome than children who are allowed to play in dirt outdoors, and have a pet.
Most infections we get don't require the sort of 'scorched earth' antibiotic treatments that are required for antibiotic-resistant life-threatening infections, which leave a practically sterile gut. In some cases, patients benefit from a "fecal transplant" which replaces the whole microbiome spectrum.
Personally, I think that avoiding the need for a turd transplant to be motivation enough lol. :joke:
I would have been curious about those Freiberg tacos.
:up: :100:
Something about ginger really enhances the taste of kombucha, imho. I also make home brew kombucha especially red wine flavor, from grape juice. Very tasty.
I read that ulcerative colitis rates were highest in industrialized countries and regions and it was theorized that countries with the poorest hygiene were the most protected against it due to the prevalence of the bacteria. This could be the result of the suppression of hyperactive immune systems caused by increased bacteria.
Quoting BC
When I was a kid, I never had another kid's shit shot up my asshole, but what I did do once was stand on the other side of the bathroom and successfully arc my urine stream to find its way to the urinal, none missing its mark, well, for the most part, give or take, but who's measuring?
I'm considering it. I'd be in that rarified air of members with usernames with spaces in them, making them hard to tag. It would be an honor. Edit: Oh wait, I already am. Am I hard to tag?
Quoting Jamal
Makes perfect sense. It's pretty ubiquitous in America, I think (@Hanover). In the suburban midwest where I grew up, I think there were probably as many Mexican restaurants in any given town as there were generic American restaurants. They all taste the same (the Mexican ones; probably the American ones too). I only had real Mexican food when I moved to New York, and it's only been in the past few years that some really legit places have opened here. Definitely something to try if you ever visit.
That's the only white people I have ever encountered (albino's).
This is also the opinion of commander Shran in Star Trek Enterprise. :grin:
One of the things I like best about Europe is the amount of good food around, including ethnic and local food. There were plenty of other choices. Anyway, it gives me a good story - the only really bad food I ate on the trip, not counting the airports.
No.
Sure, but you haven't encountered any black people either.
In the county where I live, we have an 80.9% diversity score, which means that if you picked two random people off the street, there's an 80.9% chance they'd be of a different race or ethnicity (Mexican, Korean, Indian, Vietnamese, El Salvadorian, Chinese, Jamaican, and it seems like a fairly large Bosnian population), making it the most diverse county in the southeast.
I found the diversity in Europe to be from traveling country to country, but more homogeneity per country, although that is changing, but nothing like what exists here. I think people overlook the whole melting pot thing we have going here in the US, even among those living in the US that have communities that haven't seen the population growths like exists where I live.
What this means is that we have really good food. Not just chowder.
Related to that... the presence of tape worms in the gut can bring allergy relief because the worms suppress the immune response (which would be aimed at them in particular). Medical recommendation: Try Benadryl first.
Just because it’s hilarious.
I prefer unfiltered open fermented beer, similar yeast content, and similar bacteria (yuck, but force it down, it builds tolerance), along with pleasant after effects.
I visited France, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Belgium with my family in the late 1980s. My brother and I visited France, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, and Germany in 2014. My brother lived in France for 3 years in the late 1980s and has visited there and other countries in Europe many times. I have not visited Spain or Italy, but I hear the food is wonderful.
In my, and my brother's, experience, the attitude about food is what makes Europe different from the US. Just about every town has at least one small cafe in the town square or other, often with outside seating. Restaurants and cafes tend to be locally owned rather than chain. The food is better in quality and better prepared. The waiters are great. You are not expected to tip, although small tips for good service are common.
Local markets are also great. In an outdoor market in Paris, I bought strawberries that were red all the way through. The only times I have those elsewhere were from my garden. There were lots of small specialty food stores in each town - bakeries, charcuteries (cold cuts), butchers, vegetable markets...
Sure, there are plenty of good restaurants in the US. But not as common as in Europe. I lived in Cambridge in the 1970s. One of the best things about it was all the cheap ethnic restaurants. In the US, you have to look for good food. In Europe it's hard to avoid, as long as you stay away from Mexican restaurants in Germany.
Local, sure. But ethnic? Assuming you mean non-European, it’s very patchy.
The problem with @T Clark’s name is that there’s a space right after the initial letter. The mention box doesn’t start searching till after the second character typed in, and if that’s a space, it gets very confused.
In the cities we visited, there were Turkish, Northern African, and Middle Eastern restaurants. And then, again, that Mexican one. Does French food count as ethnic if I eat it in Belgium?
Quoting Jamal
My name won't autofill, but if you type it in it works fine.
Yep.
I think this is also a mantra in America, at least in middle America. Outside of cities, most of the food is kind of the same, but folks still insist upon some places being better than others. Clans form. The sentiment of "hunting" for the best food is felt. That's not to say there aren't hidden gems.
Quoting T Clark
One of the forum's more recent significant findings.
Good lawrd.
It's true, there are a lot more choices in the city. When I lived in Cambridge, MA in the 1970s, there were decent inexpensive Indian, Thai, Chinese, Greek, Middle Eastern, Mexican, Italian, and seafood restaurants as well as diners, bars, and quirky local places - none of them chains. That's not even counting pizza places. When I lived there, we usually ate out three days a week and got pizza once a week and that was back when we were relatively poor.
I don’t know why there are no Kazakh restaurants. I have to assume their food is terrible, or maybe it’s just been absorbed into the Uzbek-dominated Central Asian culinary universe.
:worry: ... I promise that I always thought you visited Spain.
I mean, the average person here will always choose a paella or tapas rather than a taco...
But it’s surprising how easy it is for restaurants to get it wrong. It seems so simple.
It's a big place. Could it be political? I know Uyghur cuisine has only recently hit NYC, and the narrative is rightfully about the persecution of the Uyghur people by the Chinese government.
I guess it makes sense because Spain colonized South America, but ironically South American cuisine is a fusion of indigenous food and Spanish food. Seems like yet another example of colonization falling short, if the colonized food doesn't sit well with the colonizers. Of course, I'm saying that as an American, so I don't have much ground to stand on.
My wife has a few Uyghur genes. It’s the elusive Kazakh cooks who remain a mystery.
:chin: given their location, maybe the food is a combination of everything around them. Nothing bad, nothing notable, just a lukewarm combo? I have no idea. I'm literally looking at google maps, which is embarrassing, but it looks like a flatland. That makes me think crops and livestock are probably very limited.
Uzbekistan seems to have more going for it. It was on the silk route and their produce is famously good.
What is Uzbek cuisine?
As to Uyghur cuisine, I'm sad to report I still haven't tried it, despite being a 45 minute subway ride away. A Chinese-American youtube food blog I follow considers it technically Chinese, but it seems like a true fusion; a result of it's place and circumstance. This guide is helpful, and done by one of NYC's leading street food writers.
Delicious!
I believe this breakfast is going to sit well with you.
That's what my mom said when I asked her what the tofu stir fry was.
“The brain diseases of morbid cobweb-spinners”
He was referring to theologians, but I could apply it to speculative metaphysics more generally.
Favourite current discussion title:
“Welcome Robot Overlords”
Did she speak the truth?
I will do my best, but the supplies are running out. I appreciate your faith in me. I had it again this morning and I grew more in love.
Quoting Jamal
No.
I see what you did there.
:up: :sparkle: I have a big faith on you, It is better to wait for the harvest rather than buy them at Mercadona. You, as an American, are lucky that Mercadona supermarkets do not exist in the USA.
Good question. As far as I know, they have a weird mania for always showing off their tremendous and exotic meat around the world. They only drink mate, it is rare to see an Argentinean to drink just water.
Ok, I'll bite. What is Mercadona?
My comment was bait to catch anti-Argentine prejudice. You have revealed yourself.
A large Spanish supermarket chain. As far as I can tell, the name means something like “Market Woman” or “Mrs Merchandise”. I guess my translation skills are lacking.
This is true. Mercadona workers are happy to work there because their work conditions are some of the best in the country and the salaries are pretty good. I am angry with Mercadona because of inflation (probably they are not guilty at all) and their lack of empathy with the consumers... I see that the prices are higher than ever, and it is bad because "Hacendado" should be the cheapest brand for food...
Yet many people are angry with them because of the rise in prices of basic products such as meat and bread.
Whenever you enter in the market there is a female voice who sings: Mercadona, Mercadona, Mercadooooonaaaaa. The song is catchy.
Interesting. The irrationality of capitalism requires that if we want low prices, we must demand that supermarket employees get low wages.
Can Russian tomatoes be applied to pan con tumaca? If it is possible, that would be perfect.
Yes, with grated Uzbek tomatoes, Armenian bread, and Spanish/Italian/Greek extra virgin olive oil, I have enjoyed this several times.
@Noble Dust How was the Senegalese jolof rice?
I am happy to go with, humans are not coloured, we are all 'shades.' Black and white themselves, are not colours, they are shades.
We are also ALL MONGRALS, no such thing as pure bloods.
The worker is a commodity, just as is the tomato, both of which the purchaser (whether that be the employer who purchases the employee or the customer who purchases the tomato) tries to obtain at the lowest price.
Since the employer's profits are being driven down by the competition from those customers finding cheaper prices, food prices and profits are all being reduced by market forces, providing you with an endless array of food choice on a philosopher's salary. If you wish to increase your salary, you'll need to provide a unique service as an employee, and if you wish to increase food profits, you'll need to offer something in the tomato buying experience no one else does as well as you.
Just defending capitalism, both on its own inherent merits and the fact that there is no better alternative.
Now back to food. Mongolian beef here is a mixture of scallions, beef, probably some sugar, and cellophane noodles. I doubt any Mongolians have ever eaten it.
I wouldn’t expect anything less.
But I don’t think you did a very good job. You told me how it worked, which I knew already, but the only thing you gave as a defence or justification aside from cheap food was TINA (there is no alternative), or capitalist realism. On that I agree, insofar as there is in fact no alternative and it is in fact easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
Quoting Hanover
There was a so-called Mongolian restaurant in Edinburgh that served alligator, ostrich, and kangaroo. I am also doubting the authenticity.
It's kind of charming.
In Scotland a lot of people pronounce the name of the letter J as jai (like the first syllable of giant).
I hear that often, so you're probably right.
Quoting Jamal
My best defense is that it works, unlike most that don't. If we could achieve delicious, varied, and affordable food and a life generally free from oppression under a Marxist regime, I might change my tune. I just read that North Korea is worrying about mass starvation issues due to problems in their collectivized system, so they are going to embark on a whole new plan of some sort. That sounds more concerning than some underpaid grocery workers.
Quoting Jamal
Do gators and roos live side by side in Mongolia? Sounds like a strange swamp.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H#Name_in_English
Edinburgh was orginally settled by a sub-Saharan click speaking tribe and that pronunciation remains as a relic. That's why they say Edinblthuuu as well instead of Edinberg.
“It’s much better than North Korea” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.
It's much better than Russia.
There are better Uzbek restaurants here, so, swings and roundabouts.
Swings and roundabouts is a British phrase that you can Google if you’re interested.
:blush:
That sounds fascinating! Thanks. I’ll look into that. I mistakenly thought that unpasteurized beer (except maybe kegs?) had gone the way of the Dodo. (hey... where’s the beer mug emoji? lol)
I haven't, but everyone I know who's been there loved it. Lots of good food - which is what I care most about places I go. TV shows always show people out for the evening going to tapas bars. Here in the US, the idea of tapas has taken off in the past 20 years, although they usually call them "small plates." It makes eating more interesting.
Agreed, but, like it or not, racial differences make a difference - politically and socially. It's low-rent irony to argue that none of us are black or white. I grew up in the late 1960s and went to high school in southern Virginia, a southern state. Our high school integrated during my senior year.
Back then, black people were still called "negroes" and "colored" by most people. I was not very socially aware, but I remember trying to figure out how to refer to them. "Negro" and "colored" sounded condescending but "black" sounded contentious. "Afro-American" was available but, even then, seemed politically correct, namby-pamby. I saw, and still see, usage of "black" as respectful and matter of fact.
A lot of those people in central Asia are Turkic - Kazakhstanis, Kyrgyzstanis, Uzbekistanis, Turkmen, and Uyghurs. There are significant Turkic populations in Iran and Azerbaijan. And then, of course, Turkey. This is the only thing I could find on the web for Kazak cuisine.
It is a little known fact that "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" was filmed in Kazakhstan and depicted common Kazakh cuisine. As with most of my little-known facts, they are little-known because I made them up.
I use black as well, mainly, if I am trying to point someone out in a group of people who are not black.
I don't know, if that IS problematic. Perhaps folks should just use other references such as what someone is wearing, or their height, hair style etc to refer to an individual in a group, but perhaps that's just too woke.
I never use brown, red, yellow however. I would always say 'the Asian person.' Dunno why??
I admit, I have led a sentence with something like 'as a black person, you must have .......... or as a person from Pakistan you ....... but I do find that more awkward than as an American you ...... Which is ridiculous on my part that I should still feel that discomfort sometimes.
I remain rather confused about whether or not my current methods of referring to a person DOES cause them offense at times. Perhaps the main good about that is at least I am thinking about it rather than not giving a shit, in the way I didn't in my younger days.
Good phrase. Almost self-explanatory.
Saying there’s a significant Turkic population in Azerbaijan is putting it mildly. Azerbaijanis are Turkic; their language and Turkish are mutually intelligible.
Tajiks are the odd ones out in ex-Soviet Central Asia. They’re an Iranian people.
My guess is that most people of color, as they are often now referred to, don't want to hear much about us white folk's struggles with what to call them.
I didn't know that.
Tatarstan
Bashkiria
Yakutia
Chuvashia
Altai Krai
Khakassia
Tuva
Karachay-Cherkessia
And Kabardino-Balkaria is part Turkic, part Circassian.
Edit: that’s not 10 is it?
There is a regional grocery chain in New England, Market Basket, that treats their workers well. You can see the difference when you go there. They are enthusiastic and helpful. The workers went on strike when there was a family squabble and some family members tried to take over and kick out the CEO, who was very popular. Their only demand - rehire him. He runs the place now.
This gives me warm feeling.
Yes. I was surprised to find out that much of what is now Russia was run by central Asian Khanates - both Mongolian and Turkic - up until the 1300s.
It was great. Inspiring. I'm surprised they haven't made a movie yet with Tom Hanks as Arthur T. Demoulas. Arthur T was the good guy. His cousin Arthur S was the bad guy. They can get Malcolm McDowell to play Arthur S.
I went to Kazan, the capital of Tatarstan. I give it and its people 5/5.
Damn it. Didn't happen. I actually was planning to last Wednesday, but a complication at work meant I couldn't really leave for lunch, so I got delivery from somewhere else. Maybe if you remind me tomorrow morning I'll get it for lunch then.
I’m badgering you because you asked me to, and I will continue until you die (or get the jolof rice, of course).
I somehow get the sense I would be happy to shop there. Contrary to what you might think, grocery stores are notoriously inconsistent in NYC. Often, you find a spot that you like, but then they end up not having something basic. For instance, the store near me I like the most doesn't have ground cumin. They stock a lot of Goya products, a company that makes cheap but reliable canned goods as well as dried grains and beans, but they don't stock Goya's cheap quinoa, so I have to buy the fancy expensive stuff when I go there.
Many black folks would probably agree with you and I suspect just as many would not, and do care.
I was not solely referring to black people, but to all people who want to be identified in the way they choose.
I accept that, and will comply, as long as they don't insist on being identified as King, Lord, God, funniest poster on TPF, etc.
Given my education, it's hard to remember that stuff happened before the past 2,000 years and outside of Europe. East, central, and south Asia had empires coming out their ying-yangs. Pre-Columbian Americas were amazing. We hear some about Incas, Aztecs, and Mayans, but nothing about the continental US, eg. Mississippian culture and Hopewell cultures. Not much about First Nations people in Canada either.
That shouldn't be a problem. I happen to know for a fact that the funniest poster here is white, or as we like to be called "Amurican-American."
I am white, yes.
Hopefully you'll be able to stop after tomorrow, rather than continue for the next (hopefully?) ~50 years. (?)
I bought some products at Mercadona this afternoon again. My mom asked me to please go to the store to buy cod and stuff. I end up shopping at Mercadona. It is weird because this morning I insulted its dignity and then I paid some euros for food. I think Mercadona has caught me so hard that it is impossible for me to go to a different marketplace.
There is no doubt that you are the somethingist poster here. We're just not sure of what something right now.
Who are the members of this secret committee?
I was in New Orleans at that time, but they only just started integrating the school buses before I left. They did some of the stupidest things I have ever seen. In the area where I lived, just outside the city, there were no colored people, so they sent the bus on a 30 minute detour to pick up about 20 students, And obviously they had to send the bus that no longer piked those kids up to go and spend 30 minutes going to pick up some white kids.
I have never been in any way racist, the only people I dislike are stupid people of the chronic variety. But I remember still the scary way the colored students looked at the white kids on the first day as if we had no right to be on their buses. Most of the white kids just ignored them which seemed to upset them even more and they started making comments about how white folk sometimes went into their neighborhood but never came out. They were not happy when the driver decided to go through the white area first.
Thing improved over the next couple of weeks and they worked out the way to stop anyone prevent others from getting off the bus by sitting whites on one side and the colored kids on the other side, that way no one could block the aisle.
A midwestern equivalent is "a horse apiece" which means six of one, a half dozen of the other. Same thing, only different.
"People of color" is in vogue, but "colored people" speaks of a very different time.
I always say "half of one, a dozen of the other.".
If you're a Brit reading this, you should give those American staples a try. They sustain our great nation and keep it holy.
I speak in my capacity as the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy. I appointed myself to that position by my authority as the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy. Also, it's an a priority truth. And self-evident. Sui generis. Ipso facto. E Pluribus Unum. Also, I was appointed by Donald J. Trump, Jr.
I will never understand engineer humor.
Quoting Hanover
I just need to know which somethingest poster here I am.
I'll be back to square one, which is where I always am, so it doesn't matter.
That's not engineer humor, it's pseudo-philosopher humor. High quality pseudo-philosopher humor.
Quoting Noble Dust
Somethingism is a quantized property, which means the uncertainty principle applies. That means you can't accurately know both which somethingist poster you are and who you are at the same time. Which makes the whole process more difficult. It's possible you are many different somethingist posters on the Philosophy Forum in the multiverse.
There. Take that Mr. "My cat is the leader of the Illuminati."
Quoting Noble Dust
Answered your own question - the squarest one.
How about this: most artistically and spiritually enlightened?
You just pissed her off. I have no idea what happens next.
:groan: I’ll leave the spiritual enlightenment to @Wayfarer.
Expect a Senegalese Joloff Rice review in the next few hours.
Hey, I took offence to that and I'm Dutch...
Alright, the verdict is in. Senegalese food is very tasty. I ordered Teibou Jeun because the menu said it was their National dish. It consisted of baked fish, steamed cabbage, carrot and I think yuca, with Joloff Rice. The fish was absolutely delicious, although it was bone in, and I don’t really know how to debone a cooked fish, so I had to carefully pick around it. I was expecting bigger flavor from the Joloff Rice, but it was solid. The veg was fine. I was expecting it to be spicy but there was only a hint of spice. Definitely recommend, will return.
Quoting Noble Dust
That is a skill that I made sure to learn, because when I’m eating fish I like big chunks. Big boneless chunks are what you don’t get when your skills are not up to scratch. But I’m glad it didn’t spoil your enjoyment too much.
Here in Russia they don’t give a shit about bones. Sometimes even packs of thin slices of smoked salmon have bones. “It’s a fish, it has bones” is the common response to my comments about it.
How do you feel about prawns (shrimp)? I cannot be bothered with a dish with prawns that I have to peel myself. Spoils the whole experience.
It’s on my priority list now.
Quoting Jamal
Love them. No need to peel, just eat the whole thing. Eating the shell is very common in Asian countries I believe; one of my favorite shrimp dishes I’ve ever had is a simple salt and pepper fried shrimp dish from a spot in Chinatown. They’re deep fried (but not battered) with the shell on. Big pepper flavor and delicious.
In the US, Scotch Tape is a band name that's become a generic name like kleenex, xerox, saltines, and donald j trump jr.
Oh really? I knew the tails were comfortably edible, but not the whole shell and legs.
I love good Chesapeake Bay crab, but I have no patience breaking the shells and picking out the meat. Voila! Crab cakes. Lump crab cakes with no filler. Just crab and a little mayo to hold it together.
As for shrimp, I do like peeling and eating steamed shrimp. Eating them warm is different than eating them cold and the shells hold in the spices. But eating shrimp shells and all - no thanks. Sounds like something they'd do in Ohio where the seafood all comes from Long John Silvers.
[sup]— Arab News · Feb 28, 2023[/sup]
Chinese balloons, spy drones, aliens, ...? :)
I have heard of these exotic creatures. Probably from you.
I got a huge crab one Christmas Eve at the Boqueria market in Barcelona, ate it for Christmas Dinner. The ratio of effort to pleasure wasn’t large enough.
Edit: got that the wrong way round.
Not sure about the legs. I didn’t know about the tails being edible haha. It seems like as long as it’s deveined the whole thing is edible. I’ve still never had shrimp heads but really want to.
Quoting T Clark
Lol they do it in Asia ya dork. You’re missing out.
Like these?
Prawns are bourgeois now? :roll:
I do love Doritos.
Nice. Can't beat the Boat Noodle Flavour though. :cool:
Quoting Jamal
:chin: Depends on what books they've read.
I ate French Fries, which I'm told come from France, and hence had to be renamed Freedom Fries, to commemorate the freedom to invade Iraq on false pretenses. Does that count?
Quoting Jamal
Ok, ND. Send us a picture, better, a video, of you eating a shrimp with shell on.
Also, I think paying 150 grand for a bag of chips is gouging... even with inflation.
That would reveal my identity.
:lol: Exactly!
Maybe Mongolian Monkey Meatball? :monkey:
Or a beef jerky flavor. Call them Cow Chips.
Yep, of a time when I was 15 and living in a strange land. And I am not really in vogue most of the time. :wink:
:lol: :rofl: And we have all seen the photos of how Whole they are. :wink:
:yum: I’d try them, no matter the nature of balls.
Quoting 0 thru 9
I googled “cow chips” because I had a vague suspicion that Americans use this term to refer to deposits of cow dung. I was right, but when I discovered it was true it was too late for me to find the comment amusing. The moment had passed. Sorry.
I also found that Cow Chips are a Canadian brand of chocolate covered potato chips.
I would agree with you except that no one in the history of the world would ever serve chicken fried steak with brussels sprouts.
Quoting Lyle Lovett - Give Back My Heart
At the very least he should have put gravy on the brussels sprouts too.
I don't think you need a cookbook to learn the artless steps to grilling hot dogs on the rusty exhaust pipe of your 74' AMC Gremlin. I imagine the only tricky part is in keeping the engine running, and not passing out from the fumes.
I mean, I just don't know how to act in society, ya know?
You and me both, bro.
Arroz con cosas.
Valencian folks name everything with such a word when they see something different from paella.
Now I feel foolish. I should never have gone down that cow dung rabbit hole.
We call them cow pats.
"he hurled a dried cow chip further than any other contestant at a rodeo"
Maybe you just don't visit the rodeo enough.
The local keeper of the flame, who had a small candle that if extinguished would literally force the village deeper into the dark ages, would come by and ignite the hair and shit and the heat would usually be sufficient to preserve the life of most of the family through the night, but we typically did have to take out the discards each morning upon the crow of the dying rooster.
I do remember one time we were blessed with a particuarly warm heat, but it got too warm and so the icicles melted from the rafters, impaling the unknown muttering man who mindlessly wandered about our home sweeping the permafrost floors. Once Summer came and the stalactite melted from his crushing forehead wound, he staggered to his feet, no longer sweeping floors, but now suddenly able to multiply and divide any set of numbers with incredible speed. He would have been more useful but for the snail trail of spinal fluid that would mark his path as he meandered, resulting in slipping and sliding by all who approached him.
Quoting Hanover
Otherwise I greatly objected to the cultural stereotypes but still smiled a couple of times, until the end, when I frowned in light disgust.
I had imagined this fictional town to have been located not far from Kissimmee, Florida, a suburb of Orlando, not far from the Magic Kingdom. Not sure where your mind went, but apparently somewhere darker.
Quoting Jamal
I actually write my stories trying to insert something that will be your favorite part. Nailed it.
I feel manipulated.
Hahaha! Yes, I meant “cow chips” to refer to manure. Cow pies, cookies, and flop are also acceptable. Moon pies are totally different, and only slightly less nutritious than cow pies. Selling food that’s made to resemble excrement is a cottage industry, catering mostly to scatological 9 year old boys. (See Taiwan’s ice cream parlors that serve deserts in a bowl shaped like a toilet. Or better yet, don’t see it cuz then you can’t unsee it).
It hadn’t occurred to me to exploit this market until now.
Nice story! Edit it to 200 words and it’s ready for the microfiction festival. :nerd:
I think Big Oil and related energy industries have been sabotaging the practice of cow dung as fuel. Dung is natural and renewable and keeps people from visiting your house, which is liberating. Goat dung can also be used, though it’s a little more pungent and may contain scrap metal.
Everybody poops! Ashes to ashes, dung to dung. The sweetest flower loves the fertilizer. :flower:
There’s a scatological 9 year old boy inside of each of us, trying to get out and be free! And make fart noises during church services. Business opportunities await. I’m thinking something that includes cannabis, because potty humor is funnier with pot.
Highlight of my day!
All of the songs on the Bad Lip Reading youtube channel are catchy. Love the Star Wars songs.
(If I’m bringing down the level of discourse in the Shoutbox, please let me know. Or maybe it makes everything else look brilliant by comparison? :blush: )
You are clearly not a goat farmer. Goat dung comes in small pellets, like rabbit pellets and it's very dry and has little smell. If it forms in clumps or is wet, you have a sick goat.
I read that if you take too many opiates, your muscles in your bowels will relax and your feces will no longer be pushed down to the anus. The result can be your vomiting feces out your mouth, which would mean that subclass of individuals doesn't actually poop, but they instead shit vomit.
No no, you are like a breath of fresh air, with your fecal chat.
This makes @Hanover's "Cats vs. Cucumbers" video look like "Biodome" with Pauly Shore.
Yes, very true. We have had goats in the house, but more as guests than livestock.
More research needs to be done on manure as a source of energy. Though using it to fuel a cooking fire may impart a “gamey” or pungent taste to the food. The sacred Egyptian scarab is a dung beetle doing cosplay. Not sure how that’s relevant. I will now depart to make an offering now to holy dung god! :monkey:
Thanks for the correction. The title said "magpie" but I wasn't sure. I looked on the web to verify. I guess I didn't verify very well. I wonder if all the magpies on the web are really crows. Magpies/crows vs. cats seems to be a genre on YouTube.
I didn't know you were a bird hugger.
Quoting Here’s why it’s so hard to buy vegetables in the UK
I didn't know people in the UK even ate vegetables. I thought it was all bangers and mash and blancmange.
Many sincere thanks! :pray: :grin:
By the way, your message is the first time anyone has ever written those words... barring of course the new discovery of an ancient cave with writing and drawings of poop.
It's a very serious movie about a guy who's dealing with death, estrangement from his family, divorce, loss of work, illness, all sorts of serious stuff, but the main point is that he is blind, and he has a seeing eye cat. So he walks about with his white cane and black glasses and he constantly jumps on countertops and darts under tables, swats at cockroaches and such, wherever his cat directs him.
What do you guys think? Would you be inclined to sit through a few hours (with a brief intermission) of this, or would the seeing eye cat joke lose its impact after the first hour? Maybe a twist to keep you interested, would it help if the cat lost its vision after about an hour of the movie, so he had to hire a seeing eye squirrel that would assist him, and by the end of the movie, we'd have a long train of various blind animals leading one another, perhaps resulting in a circle where the man now is in the lead, with the blind leading the blind?
I don't know, just a thought. I'm thinking of naming this movie Bootilicious 3, Return of the Budunkadunk, but I'm open to other names, but this one captures the essence of what I'm trying to get at and it pays respect to my grandmother who inspired me to be a playwrite with her calm voice and gentle hand.
We still have all the frozen vegetables we usually do. So far. Been making a lot of stews.
Quoting Hanover
Yes. It helps to have a post highlighting the laffs. I still recall and enjoy the “spent lover” joke. :sweat:
I'm sure your grandmother would be heartbroken to find that, not only didn't you become a playwright, you can't even spell it correctly.
I’ve been feeding some of those hoodies over the winter, leaving food on the window ledge for them. Within a week they got used to it, and now when I forget to put food out, they fly past and “caw” to remind me.
The apartment is too high for other passerines, and the pigeons never come near this building, so the hoodies have all the food to themselves.
One day I’d like to befriend a raven, but other things keep getting in the way.
As you can see from my icon, I am partial to crows. Loud, raucous, troublesome. I like all loud, raucous, and troublesome animals - crows, mockingbirds, blue jays, red squirrels. That's why I like that video so much. I find myself attracted to loud, raucous, troublesome people too.
We have a bunch in our back yard. Crows, not people. They sit up in top of one of the trees in our yard. They are so social and noisy. I always smile when I hear them.
Your monstrous bird-ape chimera is a insult to bird-lovers.
I like the goat angle. I think what should happen is that they climb Everest without the guy even knowing he's done it, and he becomes famous cos some mountaineers see him and the goat. It would give the audience much to ponder regarding life, ambition, and so on.
The technical plot issues are, why would the goat go up to the top of Everest? Goats don't go up that high and as far as I know they're generally unconcerned with attaining summits, although they do like mountains. And how could the man survive without mountaineering gear and oxygen?
I was actually a bit of a birder in my youth. Proof: Some rare American species I've seen include the Osprey, Bald Eagle, and various migrating warblers that I can't remember off the top of my head.
Warblers, I can take them or leave them. Too many species that look almost identical.
Last year I saw a bird I hadn't seen before but I can't remember what it was. I don't take the interest seriously enough, otherwise I'd have a logbook.
Same. I always tell myself I'll get back into it, but living in a big city doesn't help. Perhaps in old age. I had budgerigars growing up, but now I couldn't do it in good conscience now that I know how much attention they require, which I certainly can't give.
All I know about strange animals in NYC recently is the alligator found in the lake in Prospect Park.
About the owl, let me enlighten you from the other side of the world. A Eurasian eagle owl--a most impressive bird--escaped from Central Park Zoo a few weeks ago and has been living free in the park, eating rats and squirrels. Last I heard, the zoo folks had given up trying to capture it again, because it was doing all right.
The owl that became a New Yorker
I believe you can find updates on Twitter.
Now I know.
I don't know. Are we?
I saw a dodo skeleton last weekend. I lamented their extinction and silently berated humanity.
We're still around. Humanity just drove us underground. :wink:
When I was a child, I awaited the arrival of the ice cream truck during the hot summer days. Asking my parents for money, instead of some crisp green bills I was gifted with a frozen meatball on a stick. Mom said that this was a gourmet dessert that they served in her distant homeland. She was born in Dayton.
Sooooo... I took my precious gift outside to gnaw on in privacy. Kids will notice everything and joke about anything out of the ordinary for hours, maybe days. This was our main form of entertainment, and it was a feast. But you didn’t want to be the main course for this roast. Anyway, I’d make some weak excuse while the other kids had frozen sugar bombs with psychedelic colors in their lucky and sticky hands. Us being poor may have been the reason for the meatball popsicle. But the tradition lives on for my children, furtively chomping frozen meatballs on a stick, wondering what bizarre alien land their dad came from.
With that I've made it through life, and now with the addition of Uncle Pete's meatball saying, I feel like the world is my oyster, one of the finest of the bivalves.
OMG... great avatar. Monstrously funny. What does a flying gorilla eat?
Anything he wants. :grin: :monkey:
Looks good.
Thanks! Good ideas for Hanover to use in his story. There are many fascinating possibilities. We await the finished product in the microfiction gala. Or at least as a series on Netflix.
When I was a kid, I would eat my deluxe ice cream treats that I bought from the ice cream man and laugh at the meatball stick eating kids. Uncle Pete used to tell me "Bubalah, meatballs are all meatballs, but eating them on a stick, what is this meshugas?"
Yes, most delicious! Now deep-freeze those balls overnight and voila... A tasty treat for embarrassed children everywhere. :yum:
That is a good one that I will take note of. I had been doing it backwards apparently, which explains my embarrassing skid marks that began just under my testicles, up toward my navel, and then finally fading around mid chest.
You told me those were tattoos. :angry:
Haha! :lol: Well, I’d have laughed too... if it weren’t me as the meatball clown. I must say that there was pork mixed in the meatball. And poultry. And possibly venison. Sometimes there was even some beef.
We await the Second Coming...
( ...of the dodos )
Is poop still in the conversation? Well anyway... until someone starts a “Funny Videos” thread in The Lounge...
By the way, the meatballs were fantastic and now it is time to drink a dark, warm and delicious coffee.
Oh noes! Those meanies! Does this different link from NBC.com work?
Colo-guard SNL
Well sir or Madam... I’m beginning to think that you have your head up your rear, talking about poop and such constantly. You are a proctologist maybe?
Butt... that is an ok idea about a Lounge thread for mildly amusing videos and songs.
Now, it works! :up:
:grin: :up:
It's the accidental success story, much like the goat that accidentally leads the man to summit Mt. Everest.
But then there's the misguided trust angle that I started with, where a guy is forced to dart about like a cat because he's made perhaps a mistake in purchasing a seeing eye cat as opposed to the traditional dog.
Then there's the potpourri angle, a smorgasbord of sorts, a mish mash, a throwing together, sort of like last night's indulgence of ravioli, cheap bourbon, and chicken wings now all over the floor. That would be the regurgitation model, as in a seeing eye cats leads one up a mountain summit while chasing a goat to return to him his corn chip that he dropped.
I think our collaborative approach is the best, bringing together all of our creative strengths. With this pooling together of resources maybe we can one day emerge from this generational cycle of failure that has plagued us all here.
Let's be honest, every morning you lament something and silently berate humanity.
Let's be clear, I'm a crow and always have been a crow. None of these waxwing-come-latelys.
I've never seen a crow against cat conflict, but I have seen both blue jays and mockingbirds taunt cats with very authentic meows. They had that same look on their faces that the crow in the video did.
Grown ups don't use the word "poop" unless they are talking to someone under the age of seven. Acceptable alternatives - feces, shit, crap, shite, human waste, merde, bowel movement, turd, scheise - depending on the context. I'm sure the Brits, Aussies, and Scots have more to offer. "Me mum just took a whangle in the boot of me lorry."
:up:
Quoting Darkneos
Just more evidence of religious bigotry here on the forum.
No one is required to take religion seriously here but there's no need to be a dick about it either. Anyhow, the Shoutbox is not really the place for this.
To be fair, the guy spends an awful lot of time in the pool which doesn’t leave a lot of time to ‘get’ anything besides.
I would say, "No one is required to have religious beliefs here". Not taking religion seriously, however, seems ill-advised, at best. Religion is part of the core operating system of at least a few billion people, and has been part of human mind for a long time. We can't understand ourselves if we dismiss religion as a defect, something irrelevant, and beneath philosophy's concern.
Totally agree. 'Poo' and 'poop' are kiddy terms which have vanquished feces, bowel contents, etc., even by doctors.
Quoting Baden
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This was my favourite bit, because it reminded me of the ravioli I had yesterday for lunch. Each raviolo was packed with mozzarella and sun-dried tomatoes. You should've been there.
I agree but it's not a requirement. You're not going to be banned for being dismissive of religion.
Phew
I was there. I was the guy with the pepper grinder who held the pepper grinder out in front of you and said "pepper?"
How long have ever let the guy go on grinding your pepper? I've always wanted to have him empty the entire thing and then have to get a second one while the pepper piled up on my plate. Then I'd do the same for the mozzarella cheese guy, and then I'd have them fill my drink all over the floor. That's what I'd do.
I went to a restaurant once, and the old guy I was with asked to swap his white napkin for a dark one, and they went and got him a maroon one, and he asked if I too wanted a maroon one. I didn't, but being the shybird I was stuck with white, but, next time, may God be my witness, I'm going to insist upon a navy blue one.
So, next time, mound of pepper and cheese on my plate, water all over the floor, and a blue napkin in my lap, and one shit eating grin from the happiest diner of all time, enjoying the living shit out of life as it's meant to be lived.
Feel me?
3 to 4 seconds max.
Quoting Hanover
An excess of cheese I can handle. An excess of pepper is another matter.
Quoting Hanover
I don’t like restaurants that don’t provide me with a large white cloth napkin, preferably the size of a bath towel. Maroon or navy are ok, it’s the size and durability that count.
Quoting Hanover
Hard to argue with this.
Quoting Hanover
You have some healthy competition.
Excellent.
Hear! Hear! (or Here! Here!) Good show. Well said! A round of drinks for everyone! :blush:
(Though I’d only maybe change “creative strengths” to... I don’t know... “collective psychosis”?)
Clarky's not going to like that. *Runs and ducks*
Amen! :pray: (and for those who might object to the word “amen”... A-women!!! :flower:
You're on a roll. I haven't read anything except the bit about your shit tattoo but I commend you on the word count. :up:
Quantity over quality, as they always say. :pray:
Looks like our new champion swimmer friend has an evangelistic bend. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, besides the creepiness.
Even by scientists.
Agreed.
:100:
That's per person double occupancy, an inside cabin. So, about $180,000/year. I can afford that, but when I get back I'll have to move in with @Hanover's goats. Here's a link:
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/3-year-cruise-mv-gemini/index.html
[sup]— Huileng Tan · Business Insider · Mar 3, 2023[/sup]
Quoting Jan 27, 2023
Am I being too critical?
Jorndoe always brings bad news. I saw that article previously and I don't buy it. I remember in the 1980s when Japan was ahead of us in just the same kinds of ways. They were taking the lead and would manufacture us into irrelevance. Of course that never happened. Japan's economy has been pretty stagnant since the 1990s. There having all sorts of social problems. High among them is their birth rate, which is far below the replacement level.
It's hard to get excited about this. Those types of studies are performed by institutions that have vested, often financial, interests in focusing attention and urgency on the specific issues they are interested in.
Peach Bodyparts
It's a Jewish pastry? I used to have a book of Jewish recipes from all over the world. It was fascinating. There was a whole chapter on chicken soup.
No, no. That's a city in Michigan.
I wasn't aware of the use of siege guns during the civil war. Here's a picture:
Moving the siege guns on the military RR:
From my reading of the Forster's Hornblower books, or maybe it was O'Brian's Master and Commander books, I learned that mortars, which is what is shown in the top picture, were used during the Napoleonic wars, which ended in 1815. I think you were correct in calling mortars "siege guns."
It's surprising how early everything happened.
Lincoln, for instance, sent instructions to his generals and received reports by telegraph and received reports, almost in real time (there were relay stations along the way). Morse's telegraph was introduced only in 1844.
Five foot-weary salesmen have laid down their load.
All day they’ve raced round in the heat, at top speeds,
Unsuccessfully trying to sell Zizzer-Zoof Seeds
Which nobody wants because nobody needs.
Tomorrow will come. They’ll go back to their chore.
They’ll start on the road, Zizzer-Zoofing once more
But tonight they’ve forgotten their feet are so sore,
And that’s what the wonderful night time is for.[/quote]
Notes on the Labour Value of Sleep.
I speak for the Trees!
I speak for the Trees because...
... The Trees
erm... The Trees...
?
Hey!
Where the F*** are all the trees??? It’s like a giant parking lot here![/i]
— Dr. Sausse
We just have squirrels.
I recently learned more than I ever wanted to know about the early development of weapons and their tactical applications in the Destiny's Crucible series by Olan Thorensen.
I rarely laugh out loud except for my own posts, but I did for this one.
It is a wonderful fact of modern information access that I could identify your quote immediately on the web.
One of the things I love about the Hornblower and Master and Commander books is that they show how technologically sophisticated sailors were in the early 1800s. We're not smarter or better than they were, we've just got 200 more years of scientific and technological history.
Yes, well... Being from the US I didn't understand the political subtext.
Lunch: nothing, because I was at the dentist
Dinner: rigatoni with lamb and eggplant, some Austrian Riesling, and half of a small substandard pizza, which did however have some nice artichokes, black olives, and capers on top
Do you trust Russian dentistry?
Some of my favorite wine in the world, particularly from the Wachau.
Lunch: super salad of kale, cherry tomatoes, orange bell pepper, shallot, feta cheese, quinoa and green lentils, dressed with French vinaigrette.
I went to the dentist for the first time in about 7 years a few weeks ago. Contrary to stereotypes, the hygienist was the gentlest old Russian woman. She said something along the lines of “you have a long, good life ahead of you”. I have no idea what she was talking about. Anyway, I don’t have any cavities.
Why my quoting is messing up? I quoted BC and Hanover's got quoted as well.
Also, in another thread, I quoted T Clark and Art48 got quoted.
It's a matter of degree, with certain cultures being more collectivist and others more individualistic. The sociological distinction is real, but no one realistically argues that pure individualism (or pure collectivism) exists.
That is to say, the argument that "no man is a island" is obvious and arguments against it are strawmen.
I’m not surprised, because you have unpeckable taste.
Except for cucumbers and prawns.
Let me go to the barnyard and test my theory. I'll get back to you if I discover decisive evidence.
We don't normally accept the results of actual observations here on the forum. All our truths have to be deduced from a priori knowledge.
No correspondence allowed?
I’ve noticed that some British people pronounce vineyard as “Vine Yard” as opposed to the obvious “VINyrd”. I’m now wondering if those same brits pronounce barnyard as “BRNyrd”.
Do you have any teeth? If not, that's why no cavities.
How do you know? Did you count before and after?
My guess is that you have no idea right now what your total tooth count is.
You also didn't clarify if you were counting the teeth in your pocket.
She didn’t say, although now I’m beginning to wonder.
Speaking of not having cavities, the first time I went to the dentist in NYC the actual dentist looked like a soap opera actor and acted like one too. He literally looked in my mouth for 5 seconds and said “well, you don’t have any cavities” and left. It was like a scene from The Room.
One difference I found is that Russian dentists are not called dentists, but stomatologists. Also different is that I can see an X-ray of my mouth on a wide screen TV from the chair, but maybe they have that in Scotland now too—before seeing this dentist the last one was 12 years ago.
I've not even gotten started.
Quoting Jamal
Do they call their doctors barbers? That's sometimes a thing.
Quoting Jamal
Sounds like you got a heaping mouthful of radiation. Do your teeth now glow in the dark?
Sorry you guys saw that side of me.
On my recent trip I enjoyed watching the little red light come on on the computer screen that said "radiation detected!" While the tooth nurse (?) conveniently ducked out of the room 20 times in a row.
After like the third one, I had to hide in the woods and survive off dumpster food, eventually being forgotten after the next news cycle and the Capitol attack. I've since returned to anonymity, accepting a job with the county bureau of gutter inspections, blending in without notice.
My fangs still saber tooth tiger protrude, but I explain it away as that my mother ate bath salts throughout her pregnancy and that fucked up my face. Most people believe that, except for one guy who totally figured me out, but I've got a temporary reprieve from arrest because he burned his tongue on some over microwaved popcorn and he can't speak clearly. He keeps telling the detective I'm Dlacula and the cop can't understand what that means.
My guess is that I'll be arrested on Wednesday because that's "anything can happen" day. Usually just ping pong balls fall from the sky on that day, but maybe with all the shit going down, I'll get my ass locked up.
Who's to say?
Where would I put my precious tomato and virgin oil otherwise?
Tough one. White bread has its merits and its demerits. An Amish white loaf is hard to beat, smeared with fresh butter. Eat your heart out, you French baguette freaks.
Do you know what is the main fact of my white bread? It doesn't have crust.It looks like a white marble tile! :eyes:
Edit: do babies even eat bread? When does that begin? Are toddlers babies? I may have seen a toddler with a sandwich once.
Do you mean that such bread is royal and exclusive? :yum: :lol:
Quoting Jamal
Babies eat bread with hot milk or porridge. At least, that's how I used to eat it!
They now make crowns out of cubic zirconium, which my dentist tells me is as strong as diamond.
With that, I took my bride to be to the county fair, where we enjoyed the typical carny rides and then on to the taffy, which I chewed and it removed my crown, which I then set into a ring, which I then dropped to a knee, which I then took her hand, which I then placed upon it a still taffy coated diamond looking ring, which she then accepted, and which she now wears proudly. I am reminded of my love for her with every cold drink as it coats my exposed nub.
My local dentist doesn't, but he will show you your Xray on his wee laptop screen.
Google "the problem of evil." That's what they call it.
For material deeper than the usual search:
Google Scholar link to “problem of evil” here.
Some sites ask for a friendly donation. In other words, you gotta pay to read lol.
But many are free.
I remember when you were a baby. You ate mostly Gerber Pureed Haggis and had a splash of scotch in your formula.
I was just reading that many babies who grew up to be attorneys were fed that. It was one of the recommendations in Dr. Spock's "Baby and Child Care." It said "Never feed your baby marbles and chicken bones."
A pathetic laptop screen would no longer be adequate for my requirements. I’m now used to my stomatologist with her giant wall-mounted screen that she points at with a pointer while saying things in Russian, of which my wife translates only the bare minimum, which I can’t complain about because I’d get the reasonable response of “learn Russian then.” Once again, somehow this post ended up being about my domestic disputes and failures.
Breakfast: fried eggs and tofu, banana, coffee
Lunch: sautéed chicken livers and bell peppers
Dinner: spinach, tomato, and burrata salad
I use “sautéed” instead of “fried” to dignify my elementary cooking techniques.
That’s a good combo, indeed. I never take fruit for breakfast and I think I am committing a mistake.
Quoting Jamal
Pimiento morrón :up:
Quoting Jamal
Russian tomatoes! :up:
To be honest, I think that rye bread is underrated among culinary experts.
Bought in Russia, grown in Uzbekistan :yum:
Rye is probably my go-to bread of choice. Although I eat plenty of whole wheat for the health benefits...come to think of it, does rye count as a whole grain?
According to a cursory but always 100% accurate google search, what you say is true, although it's probably most often refined. However, even refined rye bread still has many of the same health benefits of whole grain wheat bread.
Probably depends which country you’re in.
Quoting Noble Dust
I did not know that.
I eat plenty of dark brown rye bread, because that’s the go-to Russian bread. I guess it’s whole grain.
But my favourite is the totally not whole-grain Caucasian and Central Asian bread:
It is true that rye bread can be both whole and refined. Nonetheless, I think it is naturally consider as a whole bread because: Rye bread contains a large amount of fiber, a wide variety of bioactive compounds, and a small amount of fat. Compared to some breads such as white bread, rye bread has a lower glycemic index, which means it causes a slower increase in blood sugar than white bread after being eaten. whole grain rye
Glycemic index is most important if you have diabetes or if you have reactive hypoglycemia.
There's a lot of shit you need to know if you work in the Shoutbox.
That’s a new bread for me to seek out and munch appreciatively.
I'm a bread guy, so I know such things.
That's why the scientific paper that I shared recommends rye bread to people with diabetes :smile:
Cool! the only other bread guy I've met is The Gingerbread man. Gingerbread is recommended for long distance runners because as the man himself says, "Run, run as fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the Gingerbread man."
And he should know.
White bread actually has a higher glycemic index score (100) than straight sucrose (65). A 100 is the highest you can have, equal to straight glucose.
I don't have diabetes, but I will get a sugar crash if I eat foods with high glycemic index scores because my body apparently reacts with too much insulin.
Arguably you need to know a lot more shit to work in the shoutbox than in other threads. We used to hold interviews, but things have gotten slack. There should probably be a section on @Jamal's "why do you want to join TPF" survey that he sends to potential members.
Shouldn't it be recommended to sprinters?
All the rye bread I ever get has fennel seeds in it. I don't know if I would recognize the difference between wheat and rye bread without that.
Quoting Noble Dust
The Shoutbox is a perpetual knowledge machine: the more you work here, the more you gain the knowledge and skills required to work here.
My knowledge of bread and Napoleonic siege artillery is higher than it was just a couple of days ago.
Your dehumanising language is deplorable! You wouldn't dare refer to @Hanover as "it". But anyway, if you read the biography, it's clearly a marathon, not a sprint.
[Enter disclaimer here]
I'm pretty sure those are rye seeds...I'm working on knowing a lot more shit.
I'm ashamed.
:cool: :up: Going the nose route takes the flavor straight to the brain though it may also be fatal so I cannot fully recommend it to be fair.
Your response made me go back and check. Most rye bread has caraway seeds, which I misidentified as fennel. Caraway adds an anisey, licoricey flavor to the bread. That's the flavor I usually associate with rye bread.
Damn. Now we both know more shit.
Keeping in mind that in order to be knowledge, it has to be justified true belief. A lot of what's in the Shoutbox isn't true and lot of what is true is not justified. And, to be honest, a lot of what I write I don't actually believe.
Then do you know the difference between rye bread without caraway seeds and wheat bread?
If I want to burn out my sinuses, I just eat a small spoonful of Chinese mustard. I usually do it unintentionally while eating Chinese food.
I mean in terms of flavor or texture.
I take my responsibility to the Shoutbox very seriously. I have one rule - If no one has posted within 24 hours, post something, no matter how stupid, pointless, untrue, or trivial.
Admirable. Do want an official title for your role?
Not true. You now know that we now know what you already knew.
:chin:
Actually, following Clarky's radical Shoutbox scepticism, he now knows he's not sure that we know we're not sure of what he may or may not have known.
As I have noted previously, I have already been appointed The Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy here on the forum. Perhaps you missed that. Keeping the Shoutbox rolling is one of the TVSP's responsibilities.
Dunno, I may have to sniff a peanut on that one.
Do you know that Jamal shares Clarky's radical skepticism? If you don't know, you also would be unsure whether he knows he's unsure that we know we're unsure of what we may or may not have known. Consequently, if you do know that Jamal is radically skeptical, does that mean you do know he knows he's unsure that we know we're unsure of what we may or may not have known?
Just give me a sec. My blood Wasabi level still too low.
Huff away, there's no rush in the shoutbox.
But that characterizes posts that are made every 5 minutes, never mind the first one in a vacant 24 hour period.
Quoting Jamal
I'm surprised the blind have a particular flavor.
When I was 15 (and you were like 50), I worked at a Chinese restaruant as a busboy, and the funniest joke dads used to ask me was what part of China I was from.
But more to the point, I'd mix the mustard from the powder and it would burn my eyes, so I'd go in the back to where everyone chain smoked and there were these mollasses coated fly strips hanging from the ceiling that would slap you in the face. That's how I'd get my relief.
I miss that job. They'd try to get me to eat really hot foods so they could laugh, but I'd throw it out the back door, and they thought that was funny too.
Flies are a good source of protein.
I will tell my dentist that his capitalist, profit driven, surgery/private enterprise, has a poorer screen for showing his patients their Xray's, compared to that of a dentist in a communist/oligarchy with an autocratic gangsta man as the supremo! You probably get faster appointments than we get in Scotland at the moment, as well.
Small plates are in, BC.
I once worked at a Chinese restaurant in West Cork. They didn't have any Chinese food but no one seemed to notice. I only realized myself years later that Pot Noodle was invented in Bristol.
Last I had 'em it was three per baguette slice, three slices per small plate.
I see I have been corrected.
Now I have a hankering for one.