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Jamal October 22, 2015 at 16:27 126825 views 61561 comments
This could function as a shoutbox I reckon.

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unenlightened June 01, 2022 at 06:38 #703712
Quoting Jamal
They do have some terms of endearment but mostly use diminutive names instead.


That explains all the artillery, then - diminutive love letters. I think my wife must be a bit Russian.
unenlightened June 01, 2022 at 13:30 #703836
According to Heidegger, the fourfold comes together into the forming of things; that is, the fourfold is gathered into the bringing forth of the things into the world. This coming together is a bringing together as gathering into each other. But what does gathering mean? And how does the thing occur as gathered-ness?

Gathering means that the thing is neither closed nor self-enclosed, and neither present nor complete, but rather the point at which the intersecting of earth, sky, mortals, and divinities happens. Intersections are openness because they allow the coming together of what is different in its passing through. Thinking this gathering, openness, and passing must thus precede any thinking of the thing as a complete presence or fullness and completion.


https://that-which.com/heidegger-the-fourfold/?fbclid=IwAR1LMWsGD_fsYZILvwhcrx_pdME-ZSwvVCM18UNTmYnvtq7ijLJoXH9yyHQ

[quote=Robert Johnson]I went down to the crossroads, fell down on my knee
Down to the crossroads, fell down on my knee
Ask the Lord up above for mercy, take me if you please

I went down to the crossroads, tried to flag a ride
Down to the crossroads, tried to flag a ride
Nobody seemed to know me, everybody passed me by


Well I'm going down to Rosedale, take my rider by my side
Going down to Rosedale, take my rider by my side
We can still barrelhouse, baby, on the riverside

You can run, you can run, tell my friend, boy, Willie Brown
Run, you can run, tell my friend, boy, Willie Brown
And I'm standing at the crossroads, believe I'm sinking down[/quote]

A man who sold his soul to the devil, and a philosopher.
Hanover June 01, 2022 at 14:31 #703855
My Grandma used to call me Hanovoskivashkaviskavabobishski-Rob as my diminutive Russian name.
Baden June 01, 2022 at 14:59 #703863
I just told my wife the flowers she bought are nice. Her response was 'They'll be dead soon'. I say this because her diminutive name for me is 'dead flower'. I suppose it sounds better in her language. She's not Russian though. I'm not really sure where she's from.
Hanover June 01, 2022 at 15:11 #703867
Quoting Baden
I'm not really sure where she's from.


I'm not sure where your bald ass G.I. Jane wife is from either.
Agent Smith June 01, 2022 at 15:17 #703874
:scream: ?
Agent Smith June 01, 2022 at 15:22 #703881
:scream: ?
Jamal June 01, 2022 at 15:23 #703882
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Agent Smith June 01, 2022 at 15:26 #703887
[quote=Hanover]bald ass G.I. Jane wife[/quote]

:snicker: I'm bald (by choice), and I think I'm someone's wife! I'm no GI though.

Jamal June 01, 2022 at 15:26 #703888
Quoting Agent Smith
I'm bald (by choice)


If it's by choice, you're not one of the bald brotherhood.
T Clark June 01, 2022 at 15:28 #703889
Quoting Jamal
I've tried using them but my wife told me to stop because it sounded wrong, that I should just carry on saying honey lamb and sweet cheeks.


I guess it's like going to Texas and trying to wear a Stetson and western boots.

How about you introduce her as [Her first name] Jamalsina. She'd probably like that.

Another question - Do most people still use their patronymic for their middle name?
Jack Cummins June 01, 2022 at 15:32 #703891
Reply to Agent Smith
I had never imagined you as bald. I remember so many people who I worked with shaved their heads after they began to lose hair. It becomes like a skinhead statement. I always thought that to look good as a skinhead one needs to have the right shaped head. I know that my head is too egg shaped. Chunkier heads look better without hair.
Jamal June 01, 2022 at 15:40 #703898
Quoting Clarky
I guess it's like going to Texas and trying to wear a Stetson and western boots.


Difficult to pull off? (the boots)

Quoting Clarky
How about you introduce her as [Her first name] Jamalsina. She'd probably like that.


Maybe Jamalochka.

Quoting Clarky
Another question - Do most people still use their patronymic for their middle name?


More than most, I'd say. Virtually all, unless they're from a foreign background. Worth noting: everyone when addressed formally or politely is addressed as [first name] [patronymic] rather than Mr/Miss/Mrs/Lord [last name], so it's quite different from middle names like we have them.
praxis June 01, 2022 at 15:43 #703899
Quoting Jack Cummins
I know that my head is too egg shaped.


Me too, hence my nickname: Eggheadovitch.
T Clark June 01, 2022 at 15:48 #703903
Quoting Jamal
More than most, I'd say. Virtual all, unless they're from a foreign background.


Perhaps I'll change my forum name to Clarky Herbovich. No, I'm not serious.
Jamal June 01, 2022 at 15:49 #703904
Reply to Clarky Then I shall be Jamal Davidovich
T Clark June 01, 2022 at 16:07 #703909
Quoting Jamal
Difficult to pull off?


From "That's Right, you're not from Texas" by Lyle Lovett:

[i]You say you're not from Texas
Man as if I couldn't tell
You think you pull your boots on right
And wear your hat so well

So pardon me my laughter
'Cause I sure do understand
Even Moses got excited
When he saw the promised land...

...So won't you let me help you Mister
Just pull your hat down the way I do
And buy your pants just a little longer
And next time somebody laughs at you

You just tell 'em you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway[/i]



Love Lyle Lovett. Music starts at about 45 seconds.
T Clark June 01, 2022 at 16:11 #703911
Quoting Hanover
My Grandma used to call me Hanovoskivashkaviskavabobishski-Rob as my diminutive Russian name.


That translates as "Hanover the little shit."
T Clark June 01, 2022 at 16:14 #703913
Quoting praxis
Me too, hence my nickname: Eggheadovitch.


That means your father's name is "Egghead."
Agent Smith June 01, 2022 at 16:27 #703916
Quoting Jack Cummins
I had never imagined you as bald. I remember so many people who I worked with shaved their heads after they began to lose hair. It becomes like a skinhead statement. I always thought that to look good as a skinhead one needs to have the right shaped head. I know that my head is too egg shaped. Chunkier heads look better without hair.


:snicker:

Skinheads :groan:

Life, for me, has been a complicated journey and that's stating it mildly.
jorndoe June 01, 2022 at 16:37 #703919
How to propagate phobia ...

The Texas shooting is another vile opportunity for far-right trolls to 'monster' trans people
[sup]It’s not the first time we’ve seen this vile, dangerous rumor spread in far-right circles[/sup]
[i]Katelyn Burns
May 29, 2022[/i]

Hanover June 01, 2022 at 17:05 #703926
Quoting Clarky
That translates as "Hanover the little shit."


My wife's diminutive name for me is hugeycockeyfuckeywucky. Even my dimunitized name can't fully contain the massivisity of my manliness.

Jack Cummins June 01, 2022 at 17:18 #703930
Reply to Agent Smith
Yes, I can identify with life being a complicated journey. Too many obstacles. Maybe that is why we end up here on this forum, as part of the quest of 'the examined life.' But, I am sure that not everyone on the forum comes from that perspective, although interest in philosophy is not so common, so it may be that more people come to it if life and sorting out thoughts and ideas are a high priority out of necessity.
Varde June 01, 2022 at 17:41 #703934
Reply to Agent Smith well. Welcome to existence, existence who is existent. Ppfffffhahahahhaa
L'éléphant June 01, 2022 at 19:57 #703978
Speaking of diminutive names -- I know a friend's family who does this. A lot. Rosanna is a family member whose birth name is Rosanna. She is never called by that name -- they call her Rosy on good days as a loving namesake.

When conflicts arise, however, in that household, she's called Rosanna, to make it sound they're angry at her. (Note this is her birth name). So, one could imagine during a verbal argument, someone would say "I hate you, Rosanna!", or "Shut up, Rosanna!". (it makes it pretty funny). Even aunts join in by calling her Rosanna if they think she's causing trouble. Again, I find this pretty funny.

Her friends call her Rose. Others who are the closest to her, call her "Rosa" on a whim.

There's your anatomy of a name.

But watch when a cute dude calls her "Rosanna". She's got the smile -- because now it bears a different meaning. And it sounds different coming from him. lol. :blush:
T Clark June 01, 2022 at 20:13 #703985
Quoting Hanover
My wife's diminutive name for me is hugeycockeyfuckeywucky. Even my dimunitized name can't fully contain the massivisity of my manliness.


My wife used to call me by my given name, but then about five years ago she started calling me "T Clark." Now, recently, she started calling me "Clarky." It's really confusing.
Hanover June 01, 2022 at 20:16 #703987
Reply to Clarky In the heat of passion, my wife calls me @Baden. I find the @ symbol the most troubling part of it.
T Clark June 01, 2022 at 20:21 #703989
Quoting L'éléphant
There's your anatomy of a name.


It's a good thing I'm not a member of your family, I would definitely call her "Roseanne Roseannadanna," which would piss off, confuse, or frighten everyone.
Baden June 01, 2022 at 20:39 #703993
I hope everyone realizes the only reason I even read Hanover's posts is that we share names that resemble German cities and I'm sentimental about crap like that.
Hanover June 01, 2022 at 20:55 #703999
Reply to Baden Like that's the only reason my little München.
Tom Storm June 01, 2022 at 20:58 #704000
Dinner: six Kit Kat bars. My partner insists that I eat things like vegetables, bread and meat. I reminded her that this view is located in a value system I don't share and that her petite-bourgeois fetishization of food groups is lamentable. Christ, she even advocates for pumpernickle... It was so much easier when I was married to a model, when dinner was the olive in my martini and dessert was hand relief in the changing room.
L'éléphant June 01, 2022 at 22:52 #704029
Quoting Clarky
It's a good thing I'm not a member of your family, I would definitely call her "Roseanne Roseannadanna," which would piss off, confuse, or frighten everyone.

Not my family. But you brought up another dimension to naming, which I forgot to include. "Rosanna" happens to be already with an "a" ending. So, they don't extend it further. That ending does it. However, if a female's name does not end with an "a", then they get to extend it so it would end up with an "a". So, say the girl's birth name is Lily. They're gonna call her Liliana when they're pissed. lol. :razz:

Quoting Tom Storm
things like vegetables, bread and meat.

There's the problem. You don't call veggies, bread, and meat things. They're "food" collectively. "Things" is a cold-hearted name, dude.

Tom Storm June 01, 2022 at 22:53 #704031
Quoting L'éléphant
"Things" is a cold-hearted name, dude.


I'm a cold hearted guy, dude. :wink:
L'éléphant June 01, 2022 at 22:54 #704032
Reply to Tom Storm Not showing on your posts, though.
Agent Smith June 02, 2022 at 02:42 #704079
Quoting Jack Cummins
Yes, I can identify with life being a complicated journey. Too many obstacles. Maybe that is why we end up here on this forum, as part of the quest of 'the examined life.' But, I am sure that not everyone on the forum comes from that perspective, although interest in philosophy is not so common, so it may be that more people come to it if life and sorting out thoughts and ideas are a high priority out of necessity.


Yeah, obstacles and blunders! :snicker: The two go hand in hand I suppose. I have so many regrets... :cry:

Quoting Varde
Welcome to existence


I got a cold reception! :snicker: I wonder why I still want to exist (like this). :sad:
Michael June 02, 2022 at 10:51 #704177
Reply to Baden I used to live in Hanover.
Baden June 02, 2022 at 10:53 #704178
Reply to Michael

I've always lived in Baden.
Hanover June 02, 2022 at 11:05 #704182
Quoting Michael
I used to live in Hanover.

I used to live in Michael.

I just said that so you'd know how gay it sounded when you said you used to live in me.
Hanover June 02, 2022 at 13:54 #704219
Reply to BadenHopefully he can now go back to being a pirate in peace.
Jamal June 02, 2022 at 14:44 #704227
Reply to Hanover Like a peace pirate.
Hanover June 02, 2022 at 14:52 #704229
Quoting Jamal
Like a peace pirate.


Would that be a person who steals your peace?

Expect to see that two word response to any post where someone attacks my position. I might add a "Fucking" to it for emphasis.
Tate June 02, 2022 at 15:47 #704241
YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. -- A bison gored a 25-year-old woman in Yellowstone National Park.

The bison was walking near a boardwalk at Black Sand Basin, just north of Old Faithful, when the woman approached it on Monday, according to a park statement. She got within 10 feet (3 meters) before the animal gored her and tossed her 10 feet into the air.

abc
Jamal June 02, 2022 at 15:53 #704243
I don't know much about bisons but my assumption would be never to approach a bison unless strictly necessary.

Jamal June 02, 2022 at 16:00 #704247
I watched a video about all the nasty stuff that happens to people in Yellowstone when they don't follow the rules or they strayed from the trails. People jumping into ponds and getting boiled, that kind of thing.
Hanover June 02, 2022 at 16:05 #704248
I went to Yellowstone during the height of Covid and it was pretty empty. It was the greatest trip ever.

My two sons just went to Israel now that Covid is supposed to be over, but one tested positive today (despite 3 vaccinations) when he was supposed to come home, so he's there another 11 days holing up, which is probably why they call it the holy land. That one just came to me.

Tate June 02, 2022 at 16:07 #704249
Reply to Hanover
Some expert said everybody on the planet is going to get covid eventually.
Hanover June 02, 2022 at 16:07 #704250
Quoting Jamal
I don't know much about bisons but my assumption would be never to approach a bison unless strictly necessary.


You can approach and ask them for directions. They're pretty nice actually, they just get ornery with all the tourists.
Hanover June 02, 2022 at 16:10 #704251
Quoting Tate
Some expert said everybody on the planet is going to get covid eventually.


I had it once for sure and maybe a second time. I also have had 3 vaccinations, but the first time I got Covid was before they had vaccinations. The fatigue was really bad for 2 weeks. My son says he just has a mild cough right now.
Tate June 02, 2022 at 16:10 #704252
There was a small possom in my bedroom closet this morning. It's like a prehistoric rat. I trapped it and let it go in the front yard. Hopefully it will move on.
Tate June 02, 2022 at 16:12 #704253
Reply to Hanover
Every time I have a headache I wonder if that might have been covid.
praxis June 02, 2022 at 16:25 #704261
I got the VID a couple of weeks ago, and after having received the Fauci Ouchie + booster. Was like a mild flu.
Jamal June 02, 2022 at 16:25 #704263
Today morning (as I've started saying, under the influence of my wife) I discovered there was no hot water, then that there was no power, and recently that there's no Internet.

Interestingly (?), the three are unrelated. Firstly, the hot water is piped from the local power station and is turned off for maintenance for a week or so each year (district by district, not all at once). Secondly, although the power might also come from the same power station, they use different pipes for that. Thirdly, my power was restored but then my Internet went down--turns out my wife failed to pay for it.
jorndoe June 02, 2022 at 16:55 #704289
Hey, neat poem ...

User image

Hanover June 02, 2022 at 17:05 #704296
Quoting Jamal
Today morning


I've heard that the Scots say yestreen for last night. Please confirm.
T Clark June 02, 2022 at 17:15 #704303
Quoting jorndoe
Hey, neat poem ...


I don't know about that. The discussion of pronouns is pretty transphobic.
Hanover June 02, 2022 at 17:18 #704305
Some other helpful words:

Overmorrow - The day after tomorrow.
Everywhen - At all times
Yestereve - yesterday evening
Ereyesterday - The day before yesterday
Yestermorn - Yesterday morning
Today - The day after yesterday

Heracloitus June 02, 2022 at 18:09 #704320
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BC June 02, 2022 at 19:35 #704341
nomorrow - end of the world

Noble Dust June 02, 2022 at 19:44 #704345
Omnieve - it’s always the day before the thing
Paine June 02, 2022 at 20:05 #704362
tartarscore - the period between dental cleanings.
T Clark June 02, 2022 at 20:07 #704365
Quoting Noble Dust
Omnieve - it’s always the day before the thing


I always liked this song:

Noble Dust June 02, 2022 at 21:56 #704394
intertempenis - the period between scheduled sex
Noble Dust June 02, 2022 at 22:00 #704396
yestivorephilia - the love of eating day old food
Noble Dust June 02, 2022 at 22:08 #704403
Reply to Clarky

I'm at work btw, will listen later
Baden June 02, 2022 at 23:17 #704430
Reply to jorndoe

Inaccurate, but it's a start I guess.
BC June 02, 2022 at 23:43 #704440
Quoting Noble Dust
intertempenis - the period between scheduled sex


I thought that was called "interdicktion".

"It's like sex. When it's good, it's great; when it isn't good, it's still not that bad." Seinfeld.
Noble Dust June 02, 2022 at 23:48 #704446
Reply to Bitter Crank

Out of the woodwork right on cue.
BC June 02, 2022 at 23:50 #704448
Reply to Noble Dust Preopus, postopus, peropus: the best times to have sex with respect to work.
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 01:22 #704462
Reply to Bitter Crank

Wouldn’t that be precoipus, percoipus and postcoipus?

Edited because spellcheck on my phone doesn’t know the word “precoipus”.
karl stone June 03, 2022 at 04:35 #704491
Not deleted by author!
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 04:44 #704492
Reply to karl stone Deleted by me. The Shoutbox is not the place. Feel free to create a new discussion.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 04:48 #704493
Quoting Hanover
I've heard that the Scots say yestreen for last night. Please confirm.


I've never heard it or read it. But then, I was brought up in a very Anglicized household. I didn't even try haggis till I left home.
karl stone June 03, 2022 at 04:53 #704496
Reply to Jamal Okay, not the place. Don't happen to have a copy do you? I thought it was rather good. Ideally, I'd collate all my previous comments on this case, to show that I saw this coming a mile off and was bang on about everything! Upto and including Camille Vasquez is a star!
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 04:54 #704498
Quoting karl stone
Don't happen to have a copy do you? I thought it was rather good.


My advice to everyone in the world is if you're writing something to publish online and it's more than a few lines, save it in a text file on your computer first. But I'll fish it out of the log and PM it to you. Stand by...
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 05:15 #704505
solumignotusbadpostus - don't post shit that the mod's don't like
unenlightened June 03, 2022 at 07:11 #704536
postsuffixtualisationisticism - a heathen religion originating in Germany.
Heracloitus June 03, 2022 at 07:50 #704544
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universeness June 03, 2022 at 08:05 #704548
Quoting Jamal
I've heard that the Scots say yestreen for last night. Please confirm.
— Hanover

I've never heard it or read it. But then, I was brought up in a very Anglicized household. I didn't even try haggis till I left home.


I have cousins who live in the Lothians ( a strange eccentric land) between Glasgow people (the Weegies) and Edinburgh folk (the Burghers, who think they live in Scotlands capital city.) My cousin army have quite 'musical' accents and say strange things like 'Ah Ken' for 'I know,' 'Am fu,' for 'I am drunk,' and 'the morn's morn,' for 'tomorrow morning,'. I think they try not to talk about 'last night' as that was 'last night' and they are not always like that.
I have called them 'semi-teuchters,' on occasion, as they are not quite highlanders but they definately have teuchter sympathies.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 08:12 #704551
Reply to universeness Yeah I was confused that Scottish people were depicted on TV as saying "ken" for "know" until I moved to the East, where they actually do.
unenlightened June 03, 2022 at 08:18 #704554
Mama, Mama, we're all Scottish now.

"D'ye ken John Peel?" – which translates to "Do you know John Peel?" – is a famous Cumberland hunting song written around 1824 by John Woodcock Graves (1795–1886) in celebration of his friend John Peel (1776–1854), an English fox hunter from the Lake District.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27ye_ken_John_Peel_(song)
universeness June 03, 2022 at 08:25 #704557
Reply to Jamal
For such a small place it has a myriad of dialects and strange language fusions.
The common ones of 'auld scots,' 'doric,' and gaelic only scratches the surface.
Each city has its own set of dialects as someone from Glasgows Kelvinside trying to communicate with someone from Possilpark can attest to. Even more fun when you toss an Aberdonian and someone from the Shetlands into the mix. We need Star Treks' universal translator, NOW.
I can hardly understand what half the folks here on TPF are trying to impart to me, but then 'weegie' or the more posh 'Glaswegian,' is the only 'proper language' I really understand.
The word 'Glaswegin' is often compared to a drunk person trying to order a small gin from a bartender who does not know our ways.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 08:29 #704558
Quoting unenlightened
Mama, Mama, we're all Scottish now.


Whit huv Italian mammies goat ti dae wi ra scots?
universeness June 03, 2022 at 08:31 #704559
"D'ye ken John Peel?" – which translates to "Do you know John Peel?" – is a famous Cumberland hunting song written around 1824 by John Woodcock Graves (1795–1886) in celebration of his friend John Peel (1776–1854), an English fox hunter from the Lake District.


I prefer John Peel the DJ whose favourite song was:
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 08:36 #704560
Quoting universeness
toss an Aberdonian


My Dad, who is from Leicestershire, once went to Aberdeen when he was young, and genuinely assumed they were speaking Gaelic.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 08:50 #704563
Quoting Jamal
My Dad, who is from Leicestershire, once went to Aberdeen when he was young, and genuinely assumed they were speaking Gaelic.


:lol: I think a doric toned Aberdonian would respond with something like.

Fit d'ye mean? am no a stupit quine, yi know, wis yer da a bit saft in the heid? doric isnae a gaalic tung.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 08:53 #704564
Reply to universeness I'll have to take your word on that, because I've managed to avoid Aberdonians in my life so far.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 09:00 #704566
Quoting Jamal
I'll have to take your word on that, because I've managed to avoid Aberdonians in my life so far.


Yi dinae ken fit yer missin, A doric quine wid lern yi fit ye need tae unnerstaun aboot this life!
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 09:04 #704567
Reply to universeness "Quine" is a new one on me.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 09:05 #704568
I mean aside from when we're talking about Willard Van Orman.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 09:11 #704569
Reply to Jamal
'Quine' is doric for young (mostly unmarried) woman. 'Besom' for a woman in general but mostly older and married, I think.
'min' in general for a man, 'Chiel' or sometimes 'loddie' is a young man.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 09:16 #704570
Quoting Jamal
I mean aside from aside from when we're talking about Willard Van Orman.


Had to look that one up. His last name was Quine based on what I found but they are probably pronounced differently. Quine in doric is pronounced q-w-ein-y.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 09:21 #704571
Reply to universeness Ah. My store of knowledge expands...
universeness June 03, 2022 at 09:26 #704572
Reply to Jamal
There are some great but simple doric phrases.
I have picked up more of this stuff recently as my American niece is currently dating an Aberdonian.
I like ones such as:

Yer nae mowse min
You are not smart man

Oxter a quine
Give a woman a cuddle
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 09:31 #704574
Quoting universeness
my American niece is currently dating an Aberdonian


I didn’t know that was allowed.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 09:32 #704575
Quoting universeness
Besom


I knew that one. It’s fairly common.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 09:34 #704576
Quoting Jamal
I didn’t know that was allowed


Well, who am I to judge. Her mother married an American of German descent and my other sister married a Frenchman. Family gatherings are like a meeting of the UN.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 09:38 #704577
Reply to universeness I assume your Russian and Chinese relatives veto any decisions the rest of you make.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 09:38 #704578
Quoting Jamal
Besom
— universeness

I knew that one. It’s fairly common


Yeah, same with loddie/laddie/lad. Language like people will eventually merge into one great big melting pot, big enough to take the world and all its got:

universeness June 03, 2022 at 09:45 #704580
Quoting Jamal
I assume your Russian and Chinese relatives veto any decisions the rest of you make


I think they have been looking to me, to marry one of those nationalities but I only get engaged, as I only seem to choose crazy women. So we have always broken up before any wedding bells or kids.
Wait a minute? maybe is me who is crazy? Come back to me angels! Nah! bad idea :broken:
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 09:48 #704582
Reply to universeness I sense inner conflict.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 10:02 #704589
Quoting Jamal
I sense inner conflict


At 57, I think that for me, It's now more about male and female friends than it is about marriage and kids.
I do have inner conflicts at times but I am truly blessed imo with the wide range of friends I do have.
I was a school teacher for 30+ years so I don't think I have 'missed out' too much on the 'kids' aspect of life. Many people assume I am unhappy and probably homosexual because I am 57, single, no kids and my 85 year old mother stays with me. But they are wrong on all such assumptions. Of course anytime you try to argue against the labels some people assign to you, they tend to suggest your protests are evidence of the accuracy of their labels based on the concept of 'methinks he doth protest too much.'
So yeah, conflict along those lines make me go, aaaarrrrrgggghhhh! :halo:
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 10:12 #704596
Quoting universeness
85 year old mother


My Mum's only 75 :razz:
universeness June 03, 2022 at 10:15 #704597
Quoting Jamal
My Mum's only 75


Then she has already achieved one of my secret ambitions. My father died at 65. For some Freudian reason, I have to at least beat that!
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 10:17 #704598
Reply to universeness Good luck! Cut down on the roll and sausage.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 10:20 #704599
Quoting Jamal
Good luck! Cut down on the roll and sausage


Good advice, but on the other hand, what's the point in leaving a beautiful corpse?
Heracloitus June 03, 2022 at 12:07 #704637
Quoting universeness
Good advice, but on the other hand, what's the point in leaving a beautiful corpse?


Well at least cut down on the battered mars bars.
universeness June 03, 2022 at 13:30 #704663
Quoting emancipate
Well at least cut down on the battered mars bars


Never tried one of them, have you? They look disgusting.
Heracloitus June 03, 2022 at 13:57 #704669
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universeness June 03, 2022 at 14:03 #704671
Reply to emancipate
Looks like you took the hit for me and all others who may be tempted to try such an evil-looking fusion.
You have emancipated me from that particular temptation. :flower:
universeness June 03, 2022 at 14:08 #704673
Reply to emancipate
Did you finish it or throw it away after one smell/lick/small bite/substantial manly bite as you had a watching audience who dared you to?
Are you a thrill seeking risk taking fearless adventurer who scoffs at fear and giggles at great dangers?
Heracloitus June 03, 2022 at 14:14 #704675
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universeness June 03, 2022 at 14:40 #704679
Quoting emancipate
I was a reckless teenager. Finished and washed down with irn bru! It was in Glasgow many years ago.


Many of us natives who hail from the east end of Glasgow refer to the glorious Irn Bru as 'Babu,' (Barrs Irn Bru) as this is the name we used when we called out for that sweet elixir from our cradle's.

Quoting emancipate
Where I did in fact witness the "dangers" of night life. Got assaulted in a bar just minding my own business. I did not giggle.


Yeah, been in that bar many times in my youth and others like it. I feel that some Glaswegians just try to be overly affectionate in all the wrong ways. A guy punched me once in a pub in the Gallowgate when I was in my early 30's and then immediately apologised as he realised I just looked a lot like the guy he intended to punch. :rofl: It was quite surreal but yeah, too many bar fights in Glasgow pubs.
More in the past than now however.
The 'no mean city' type legacy is slowly being replaced with a more 'city of culture' vibe.
Not completely but slowly moving in that direction.
Heracloitus June 03, 2022 at 15:03 #704686
Reply to universeness I haven't been there for 20 years. My (Scottish) parents live there and I was born there. But from what I hear, indeed it is definitely heading in the right direction and I'm sure it has changed a lot.
Hanover June 03, 2022 at 15:53 #704691
My Scotland story is that I took a train from London to Edinburgh (which is terribly mispronounced) and I stood at the castle on the north Atlantic where I froze to a solid block of ice. I then got on another train and went to Glasgow, where every last person looked to have been in a punk rock band. I stared at the ground so as to not incite whatever violence everyone was looking forward to. From there I went to the island of Oban, where I stayed in a hotel over a bar, where a really drunk guy hugged me and told me how happy he was to see me again. That night the bar grew rowdy and the townsfolk yelled out from their windows, "shut the fook up." The next morning I toured the distillery and was offered various samples, but unlike wine tastings where you can have a glass or two, whisky fucks you up pretty quick, so I spent the rest of the morning zigzagging around the quaint streets of Oban. Lunch consisted of fish and chips, the crispy variety, and some old man walked straight into me. I'm told that's a thing, though, where old people just do whatever they want without expectation of retaliation.

For my American friends back home, I went down to the beach and took off my layers of shirts until I was bare chested and wrote in the sand SPRING BREAK and whatever year it was and took my picture, sort of a joke of what people do in Florida where it's not quite so freezing cold and raining as it is in Scotland.

And that's my Scotland story.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 16:36 #704695
Quoting Hanover
For my American friends back home, I went down to the beach and took off my layers of shirts until I was bare chested and wrote in the sand SPRING BREAK and whatever year it was and took my picture, sort of a joke of what people do in Florida where it's not quite so freezing cold and raining as it is in Scotland.


Scotland's Florida is Spain.
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 17:05 #704699
Reply to Jamal

I'm going to assume you haven't been to Florida.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 17:44 #704703
Reply to Noble Dust Correct. My image of Florida is a confused mix of sunny beaches, drugs, Cuban sandwiches and fish tacos, alligators and Hemingway.
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 17:53 #704705
Reply to Jamal

Huh; that's the exact image of Spain I have in my mind.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 17:54 #704706
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 17:56 #704707
Reply to Jamal

With any luck I'll be in Barcelona in late October to dispel the myth. By the way, my recommendation is to not visit Florida.
Jamal June 03, 2022 at 17:57 #704709
Reply to Noble Dust You're a New Yorker, you would say that.

I wish you luck in your voyage to Catalonia.
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 18:12 #704713
Reply to Jamal

Most likely heading to France and Italy as well. Any reccos? Travel tips, etc?

Edit: A lot of New Yorkers retire to Florida by the way.
BC June 03, 2022 at 19:01 #704717
Reply to Noble Dust Do they even have alligators in Spain?
unenlightened June 03, 2022 at 19:03 #704718
Reply to Noble Dust Stop off at Cadaques and gawp at Dali's house an stuff.

Go to Carcassone, “Il ne faut pas mourir sans avoir vu Carcassonne”. Then Cathar castles, hot springs and just the Pyrenees are amazing and big - do not trouble with the North of France, flat and unfriendly. Drink some Muscat de Rivesaltes and some Blanquette de Limoux.
T Clark June 03, 2022 at 19:09 #704720
Quoting unenlightened
Il ne faut pas mourir sans avoir vu Carcassonne


Let me see if I can remember my high school French... If you go to Carcassonne, you are sure to die. Is that right?
unenlightened June 03, 2022 at 19:12 #704721
Reply to Clarky It is forbidden to die without having seen Carcassonne. (I think the penalty for disobedience is death.)
BC June 03, 2022 at 19:20 #704723
Reply to Jamal Personally, I'd give the whole American south a pass, unless you are doing a tour of of social problems. Why would you go to Florida if you haven't seen the desert southwest, canyons, and magnificent red rock? California used to be a nice place to visit -- haven't been there in 30 years. Mountains are always good.

Actually much of the rest of the country can be given a pass, too. If you've seen one flat agricultural area (anywhere) you've seen what is in the middle of the country. Minnesota? I like it here, but it IS well known as fly-over country (meaning missable). Same goes for Manitoba and Winnipeg and Saskatchewan. The nice thing about seeing the Canadian Rockies (driving north from Calgary) is that they rise out of flat plains so abruptly.

Boston is, in a number of ways, as interesting (if not more so) than New York. It's a smaller big city. MIT, Harvard (across the river in Cambridge), great museums (full of stolen artifacts), and the like. Chicago is worth visiting -- lots of great architecture and daily gun fights.
Varde June 03, 2022 at 20:17 #704735
[reply="Jamal]
We are mere cattle, not soldiers, soldiers are abominations of cattle.

Ha ha ha.

Next up on stage is Jamal, it's Jamal everybody! *applause* Take it away Jamal *imperetive laughter*
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 20:28 #704738
Reply to unenlightened

Sounds good to me. Marseille? Yes/no? My friend lives in Milan so I'll definitely end up there.

Reply to Bitter Crank

I can't think of a witty response, sorry.
Hanover June 03, 2022 at 20:33 #704740
Reply to unenlightened I've actually been to Carcassonne. I took the train from Paris and talked to a guy who knew less English than I knew French. He had some sort of home down there, and he told me that he had never been to England but he went to Germany years ago for a job and he got to see blonde haired women over there. We also talked about crepes as I recall . It was a good talk. The best I've ever had on a train to Carcassonne.
Hanover June 03, 2022 at 20:36 #704741
Quoting Jamal
My image of Florida is a confused mix of sunny beaches, drugs, Cuban sandwiches and fish tacos, alligators and Hemingway.


Lots of cats to see at the Hemmingway house.
Hanover June 03, 2022 at 20:38 #704743
Quoting Bitter Crank
I'd give the whole American south a pass


Alrighty then, but we were so hoping you would stop by. I'll go ahead and roll up the red carpet.Quoting Bitter Crank
Boston is, in a number of ways, as interesting (if not more so) than New York. It's a smaller big city. MIT, Harvard (across the river in Cambridge), great museums (full of stolen artifacts), and the like.


After you walk the freedom trail or whatever it is and eat a lobster sandwich, there's not much else to do.
Hanover June 03, 2022 at 20:46 #704746
My favorite trip of all time was when I slept under the stars in the heat of the Louisiana swamp. The mosquitos stung me all night and buzzed in my ears, keeping me up until the sun emerged from the fog.

I should have brought a tent I guess.

We were making a road trip to the Grand Canyon. It turns out the Grand Canyon is even hotter than the bayou.

unenlightened June 03, 2022 at 21:01 #704748
Quoting Noble Dust
Marseille? Yes/no?


I never made it to Marseille - far too [s]urban industrial[/s] hot and smelly for me from what I hear. But surely no worse than Milan, for god's sake.
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 21:19 #704751
Reply to unenlightened

I live in New York City; I think I’ve developed an immunity to the smell of hot trash.

The goal is to stay as Mediterranean as possible. Cassis maybe, for some of the best Provence rose I’ve tasted here in the states.
Baden June 03, 2022 at 21:33 #704757
Quoting Noble Dust
Sounds good to me. Marseille? Yes/no?


Man, we are vibing, my first thought on you mentioning France was to tell you to avoid Marseille. Was there last Autumn. Avoid...
Heracloitus June 03, 2022 at 21:45 #704761
Reply to Noble Dust I live in France. Don't bother with marseille. I wouldn't go to any of the major cities if I was you. Except maybe Strasbourg. But you want to stay in the med so I recommend Avignon or Montpellier. Or if you prefer mountainous terrain check out Drôme (this is where I live).
Noble Dust June 03, 2022 at 22:20 #704766
Reply to Baden

#hottrashvibes

You Europeans need to remember that I'm from the midwest. Anything French will doubtless thrill me.

Quoting emancipate
Avignon


This was on the radar as well. Cool.
BC June 03, 2022 at 23:02 #704779
Quoting emancipate
if I was you


The subjunctive form is "if I were you". Right -- pedantic pricks always making picayune corrections.
BC June 03, 2022 at 23:42 #704792
Quoting Hanover
After you walk the freedom trail or whatever it is and eat a lobster sandwich, there's not much else to do.


There used to be the Combat Zone just a couple of blocks from Boston Commons, but I'm afraid they pasteurized the rich mix of sailors, sleazy bars, whores, queers, porn shops, pizza by the slice shops, smelly subway entrances, and souvenir stores. "People need a place where they can go to be human". a philosopher said. One could get in touch with one's carnal humanity on that strip of Washington Ave.

No one in Bean Town puts lobster in sandwiches. You're thinking of NOLA. Boston's fried clams are excellent. Simco's on the Bridge sold hot dogs and fried clams at a walk up stand. Probably not there 60 years later.

Oh, look: Simco is still in business; bigger and better, not the walk up stand anymore. It's still on Blue Hill Avenue in Mattapan.

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BC June 03, 2022 at 23:44 #704793
Quoting emancipate
Except maybe Strasbourg


I've never been in France, but Strasbourg Cathedral is pretty impressive.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 00:12 #704805
Quoting Bitter Crank
No one in Bean Town


No one in Bean Town calls Boston "Bean Town."

Yes, you're right. Boston is a good place for seafood. I grew up near the Chesapeake Bay, which is also a good place. We don't have lobster sandwiches as such in Massachusetts, but there are lobster rolls - lobster meat on a hot dog bun. Coming from the Chesapeake, I've never been a big fan of lobster. Like pancakes, they're just an excuse to eat butter. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I like blue crab much better.
praxis June 04, 2022 at 00:16 #704808
Rather cliché but I once had a slice of Boston Cream Pie in Boston.
BC June 04, 2022 at 00:57 #704812
Reply to Clarky History of "Bean Town"

Apparently the appellation relates to [i]bean pots[/I] than beans alone, or tons of beans consumed.

a) In modern times, Boston became nationally known as Bean Town as a result of a publicity stunt. A large event took place on July 28-August 3, 1907 that was called Old Home Week. About one million stickers (a new invention at the time), with an image of two hands clasped above a bean pot, were distributed to promote the event. An article in the April 25, 1907 Boston Globe describes the sticker:
"The sticker is in the form of an irregular seal about 1-3/4 inches in diameter, the lettering and design being in embossed white and the background a brilliant red.

and

b) Seventeen years earlier on August 11-16, 1890, the Twenty-Fourth National Encampment of the Grand Army of the Republic, a Civil War veteran’s reunion, took place at Boston. The Beverly Pottery Company of Beverly, Massachusetts supplied thousands of small ornamental bean pots as souvenirs for the troops, and this helped to make the bean pot a symbol for the City of Boston. In about 1896, a bean pot was placed atop a clock in the gallery in the old Common Council Chamber in Old City Hall, validating that Beverly bean pots had some impact in cementing the symbol for the city of Boston.

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BC June 04, 2022 at 01:05 #704814
Reply to praxis I never ate beans in Boston. Or Boston Creme Pie. I was too poor for such luxury items as beans and Boston cream pie. Much better were the rare roast beef sandwiches and blueberry blintzes at Ken's Deli on Boylston near the Public Library.

Reply to Clarky Have you ever eaten B&M canned bread? It's not bad, actually -- it's a somewhat coarse, sweet bread, baked in the sealed can. I hardly ever see it in stores,
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 01:50 #704820
Quoting Bitter Crank
No one in Bean Town puts lobster in sandwiches. You're thinking of NOLA


I most definitely ate a lobster roll in Boston. They were really proud of them. There are no lobsters in the bayou. Those are crawfish, which would come as a sore disappointment if you ordered the lobster.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 02:22 #704821
Quoting Bitter Crank
Have you ever eaten B&M canned bread?


Yes, I have eaten it and I like it. Haven't had it in a long time.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 02:25 #704824
Quoting Bitter Crank
Apparently the appellation relates to bean pots than beans alone, or tons of beans consumed.


And yet if you call Boston "Bean Town" here in Boston, everyone thinks you're a chooch.
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 02:51 #704826
Quoting Noble Dust
Most likely heading to France and Italy as well. Any reccos? Travel tips, etc?


Quoting Noble Dust
The goal is to stay as Mediterranean as possible. Cassis maybe, for some of the best Provence rose I’ve tasted here in the states.


:party:

Places I especially like in the south of France are Saint-Paul-de-Vence, the road from Saint-Raphaël to Cannes, Aix-en-Provence, Carcassonne, Avignon, the Verdon Gorge, the Millau viaduct and around there. Went for a hike around Cassis and it was great. Also the Pyrenees.

Take a boat from Nice to Corsica for some non-French French culture and beautiful scenery. Nice itself is a pretty cool city sometimes. I have mixed feelings about it. Menton is nicer.

Monaco is not recommended unless you just want to gawp at fancy cars and mega yachts.

Otherwhere in France I like the Charente river, the Périgord region and Dordogne river, Rocamadour, Bordeaux, and last but by no means least, the Valley of the Monkeys (La Vallée des Singes).

I don’t entirely agree with unenlightened about the north of France, because I like Normandy, but it looks like you’ll be down south anyway.

In Italy, I regard Rome and Venice as must-visits, and I love Tuscany and the Amalfi coast and Capri. I don’t know northern Italy very well but those lakes are nice. I’d like to go to the Dolomites.

Travel tips? I don’t know if you’ve been to Southern Europe before. One thing I never got used to is the strict meal times and shop opening times. Trying to get food at 5 pm in many villages and towns is difficult.

Quoting Bitter Crank
Personally, I'd give the whole American south a pass


If I ever make it to the States I’ll be sure not to take this advice. But, you do you. :smile:
BC June 04, 2022 at 03:32 #704828
Quoting Hanover
I most definitely ate a lobster roll in Boston.


It's conceivable that someone might have put a piece of left-over lobster in a hunk of bread and fed it to you. I haven't lived there for 50 years, so maybe their food ways changed.

Scallops beat lobster. By the way, here is a video about keeping a grocery store lobster in a home aquarium. (Yes, it survived.).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sI7WveN7vk
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 03:56 #704831
For those traveling from Europe, I'd recommend flying into Newark and spending your entire trip there in a hotel near the airport. Tons to do right there. User image
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 04:16 #704835
Reply to Jamal

I sincerely thank you. I'm slowly cobbling together recommendations from folks that know more than I do.

Keep in mind, as a young(er) single person, my goal is to hit the hostel scene and hopefully meet other like-minded people from all around. I'm not exactly a backpacker type, but that's sort of the vibe. But I'm hoping for a mix of cities and countryside.

I've heard inter-Euro flights can/used to be insanely cheap. Yes/no?

Quoting Hanover
I'd recommend flying into Newark


Newark and surrounding environs are literally Hell on earth.
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 04:22 #704838
Reply to Noble Dust Sounds like great fun. Yep, flights within Europe can be very cheap.
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 04:24 #704840
unenlightened June 04, 2022 at 05:54 #704850
Quoting emancipate
I recommend Avignon


So do I.Horrible tourist trap, but home of the alternative pope and therefore better than Rome because French. Also there is a bridge halfway across the river they use for dancing, apparently.
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 06:03 #704851
Reply to unenlightened

I'm bewitched; I must visit. It's also weird to read people over the age of like, i don't know, 32? who use the word "because" as an imperative. I hate it's use and I'm pretty sure I'm younger than thou.
Heracloitus June 04, 2022 at 06:20 #704854
Quoting Bitter Crank
The subjunctive form is "if I were you". Right -- pedantic pricks always making picayune corrections.


You are right. I got sloppy.
unenlightened June 04, 2022 at 06:41 #704857
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm pretty sure I'm younger than thou.


You are young enough to be my grandson if you're less than 32 , so you'd better ignore all my advice and repent later. Also don't fly, use trains. You used to be able to get a ticket for anywhere in Europe for a certain time. here_ https://www.raileurope.com/en/blog/eurail-and-interrail-passes
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 07:16 #704863
Quoting unenlightened
You are young enough to be my grandson if you're less than 32 , so you'd better ignore all my advice and repent later.


Not at all; I'd rather speak with yourself than most of the young geniuses found hereabouts.
universeness June 04, 2022 at 07:35 #704866
Quoting emancipate
I haven't been there for 20 years. My (Scottish) parents live there and I was born there.


Well, they say you can take the Scot out of Scotland but you can't take Scotland out of the Scot.
Heracloitus June 04, 2022 at 08:24 #704878
Quoting universeness
Well, they say you can take the Scot out of Scotland but you can't take Scotland out of the Scot.


Ce n'est pas vrai ye wee bastart ye. :razz:
universeness June 04, 2022 at 08:38 #704881
Reply to emancipate
My sister has lived in France for 30 years and she can convert many a good Scottish put down phrase into various French/Scots fusions. She particularly likes to insult what she calls arrogant Parisiens.
Baden June 04, 2022 at 09:14 #704886
Quoting Hanover
For those traveling from Europe, I'd recommend flying into Newark and spending your entire trip there in a hotel near the airport.


Flight booked. :up:

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Tate June 04, 2022 at 10:16 #704894
Yesterdoom: we made it!
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 13:28 #704944
Reply to Baden I imagined you a few years older.
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 13:31 #704946
Quoting unenlightened
don't fly, use trains.


It's the trains that makes European travel so superior to US travel. My childhood trips took place in the back of a station wagon broken up by an occasional Motel 6.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 15:40 #704983
Quoting unenlightened
Also there is a bridge halfway across the river they use for dancing, apparently.


Yes. Sur le pont d'Avignon, on y danse on y danse. Sur le pont d'Avignon, on y danse tous en round. I learned that in fifth grade.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 15:46 #704985
Quoting Bitter Crank
Scallops beat lobster.


My family and I go to Cape Cod in summer. We're going in August this year. Not being much of a beach guy, the highlight of the trip for me is a restaurant where they serve the best fried scallops I've ever had. I drive everyone to the beach, then drive to the restaurant, sit at the bar, and eat an order of fried scallops with a couple of beers. That's my idea of oat cweezeen.
Baden June 04, 2022 at 15:47 #704986
Reply to Clarky

Keep going with the food stuff. Happy to have the politics drowned out of the Shoutbox. Sorry I even bothered at this point.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 15:53 #704987
Quoting Baden
Keep going with the food stuff. Happy to have the politics drowned out of the Shoutbox. Sorry I even bothered at this point.


Food, videos of cute animals, and stories from guys in Atlanta and Minnesota. I sez it's philosophy.
Baden June 04, 2022 at 15:55 #704988
Reply to Clarky

:cheer:
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 15:56 #704989
Quoting Hanover
It's the trains that makes European travel so superior to US travel. My childhood trips took place in the back of a station wagon broken up by an occasional Motel 6.


Didn't you tell us that on your family vacations when you were a kid, your father just took you and your family down in the coal mine with him?
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 16:13 #704992
Quoting Clarky
Didn't you tell us that on your family vacations when you were a kid, your father just took you and your family down in the coal mine with him?


He took us with him to pick up cans from the side of the road to help him with his community service hours.

If you're going to make fun of my back woods upbringing at least get the setting right. There's no coal this far south.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 16:20 #704993
Quoting Hanover
If you're going to make fun of my back woods upbringing at least get the setting right. There's no coal this far south.


Let me remind you:

Quoting Hanover
When I was a kid, we more often than not got 8 to 9 yards of snow on any given winter day. I'd shovel frantically in front of my dad's car as he coasted behind me running up against my heels trying to get to the coal mines.


And you thought I don't pay attention to what you say.

T Clark June 04, 2022 at 16:31 #704998
Reply to karl stone Reply to Baden

There's a thread specifically set up for this discussion. Can't you move all this there.
Baden June 04, 2022 at 16:32 #705000
Reply to Clarky

Yeah, will do soon.
Baden June 04, 2022 at 16:40 #705003
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 17:44 #705017
No more of the Depp stuff here please.
Baden June 04, 2022 at 19:19 #705060
@skyblack Done.
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 19:23 #705065
Inspired by ND's forthcoming trip, I had tuna nicoise salad and two negronis for lunch.

Grilled lamb neck fillet and Georgian orange wine for dinner.
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 19:47 #705073
Quoting Jamal
Inspired by ND's forthcoming trip, I had tuna nicoise salad and two negronis for lunch.


I didn't know what a nicoise salad was, so I looked on line. There were lots of recipes and most used tuna, but one used kielbasa. That's definitely the one for me.
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 19:58 #705080
Reply to Clarky I really like rare seared tuna. I also like Polish sausage.
Baden June 04, 2022 at 20:09 #705082
I ate Chakalaka Boerewors today.
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 20:14 #705086
Quoting Jamal
orange wine


Such a hipster.

Quoting Clarky
There were lots of recipes and most used tuna, but one used kielbasa.


Was the author from Ohio?
Baden June 04, 2022 at 20:14 #705087
Do not dare doubt me.

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praxis June 04, 2022 at 20:15 #705088
Quoting Baden
tastes significantly better


And you know that how?
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 20:18 #705090
Quoting Noble Dust
Such a hipster


Is it fashionable these days? I've been drinking it since I found it on the menus of basic, traditional Georgian restaurants. At first I assumed it was made from oranges and embarrassed myself by saying I could taste the orange flavour.
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 20:21 #705095
Quoting Jamal
Is it fashionable these days?


It's all the rage in NYC. The Georgian form, often aged in clay amphora vessels buried under the ground, is arguably the O.G. orange wine and pre-dates the fad.

I do often get tangerine notes from orange wines, especially Georgian ones or ones that see a long skin maceration. Personally I'm pretty tired of them.
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 20:24 #705096
Quoting Noble Dust
The Georgian form, often aged in clay amphora vessels


Yeah I've been buying lots of those. They have a picture of an amphora on the label and cost more. That's how I identify them.
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 20:33 #705098
Reply to Jamal

Any names of producers you remember?
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 20:36 #705099
Reply to Noble Dust Nope, sorry. I just go by the pictures.
Noble Dust June 04, 2022 at 20:39 #705101
Reply to Jamal

You and 90% of shoppers.
Jamal June 04, 2022 at 20:40 #705102
Reply to Noble Dust Yep. Works for me.
praxis June 04, 2022 at 21:32 #705107
Reply to Baden

Maybe, I don’t get out much. I say stuff like, “A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do.” It’s a handy catch-all justifier.
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 23:28 #705146
Quoting Clarky
And you thought I don't pay attention to what you say.


Now that you remind me, my dad did work in the coal mines. It try not to remember. Tough times.

In other news, I came upon a family of armadillos today:User image
T Clark June 04, 2022 at 23:37 #705148
Quoting Hanover
I came upon a family of armadillos today


I didn’t know armadillos came that far north and east.
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 23:55 #705155
Quoting Clarky
didn’t know armadillos came that far north and east.


Yeah, and I didn't know there was coal in Georgia. Been an educational day.
Hanover June 04, 2022 at 23:58 #705156
"Two species, the northern naked-tailed armadillo and nine-banded armadillo, are found in Central America; the latter has also reached the United States, primarily in the south-central states (notably Texas), but with a range that extends as far east as North Carolina and Florida, and as far north as southern Nebraska and southern Indiana.[8] Their range has consistently expanded in North America over the last century due to a lack of natural predators. Armadillos are increasingly documented in southern Illinois and are tracking northwards due to climate change.[9]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo

Noble Dust June 05, 2022 at 00:18 #705169
L'éléphant June 05, 2022 at 19:20 #705370
Smallest wild cat:

Hanover June 05, 2022 at 19:30 #705374
Reply to L'éléphant Cool! This is the world's largest doghead. I actually stumbled upon iit n the wild.User image
L'éléphant June 05, 2022 at 19:34 #705375
Reply to Hanover Oh wow! It's a large head! haha! Too cute for the wild.
L'éléphant June 05, 2022 at 19:42 #705380
Armadillos are the only mammals that grow a shell. I thought before they're born eggs and hatch.
Hanover June 05, 2022 at 20:23 #705384
All mammals have hair, with theirs being on their belly.
L'éléphant June 05, 2022 at 20:45 #705393
Reply to Hanover Fuck yeah!

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Tom Storm June 05, 2022 at 20:47 #705395
Reply to Noble Dust I actually watched that CD segment back in 1982 when it aired on Australian TV - Sonia Humphrey (deceased), the reporter.
Jamal June 06, 2022 at 08:59 #705563
Quoting Hanover
All mammals have hair


It's true.

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T Clark June 06, 2022 at 16:54 #705631
Reply to L'éléphant

If I remember correctly, the shell is actually modified hair, just like porcupine's quills. I could check to see if that's true, but I like the story so much, if it's not true, I don't want to know.
L'éléphant June 06, 2022 at 20:00 #705697
Reply to Clarky I only found articles for "carapace" which is made up of bones and calcified tissue. I think hair is made up of keratin.

Reply to Jamal :starstruck:
T Clark June 06, 2022 at 20:01 #705699
Quoting L'éléphant
I only found articles for "carapace" which is made up of bones and calcified tissue. I think hair is made up of keratin.


I told you I didn't want to know.
L'éléphant June 06, 2022 at 20:03 #705705
Quoting Clarky
I told you I didn't want to know.

Haha! Sorry. I completely ignored that last bit. Oh well... :rofl:
Hanover June 06, 2022 at 20:05 #705706
Quoting Clarky
If I remember correctly, the shell is actually modified hair, just like porcupine's quills. I could check to see if that's true, but I like the story so much, if it's not true, I don't want to know.


The shells are made from the iron deposits in their blood that form stainless steel when combined with chrome, which is the most common operating system used by armadillos. Because it is stainless steel, it does not rust, even when they walk the salty streets in the northeastern winters.

A little known fact about the armadillo is that you can flip it on its back onto a camp fire and eat it like a bowl of soup. You can do the same with turtles.
T Clark June 06, 2022 at 20:07 #705708
Quoting Hanover
The shells are made from the iron deposits in their blood that form stainless steel when combined with chrome, which is the most common operating system used by armadillos. Because it is stainless steel, it does not rust, even when they walk the salty streets in the northeastern winters.


I think you're thinking of Ironman.
L'éléphant June 06, 2022 at 20:20 #705715
Quoting Hanover
The shells are made from the iron deposits in their blood that form stainless steel when combined with chrome, which is the most common operating system used by armadillos.

Considering that mozilla rolled up a fox into a ball to create the icon that is now the firefox browser, I would expect nothing less on armadillos.

Now there's an idea you could use. Armadillos browser.
L'éléphant June 06, 2022 at 23:06 #705785
Anyone else here who is an INTJ?
Noble Dust June 06, 2022 at 23:55 #705800
Reply to L'éléphant

Probably the majority.
Tom Storm June 07, 2022 at 00:20 #705807
Quoting L'éléphant
Anyone else here who is an INTJ?


I'm a Scorpio...
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 00:22 #705808
Quoting Tom Storm
I'm a Scorpio...


I'm a Democrat.
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 00:27 #705810
Quoting L'éléphant
Anyone else here who is an INTJ?


Let me see if I can figure this out:

  • International Noodle Tasting Journal
  • Iranian Non-Traditional Juggling
  • I never took Judo.
  • If no-one tells Jamal
  • Is Norman Thomas Jewish?
praxis June 07, 2022 at 00:29 #705811
Quoting L'éléphant
Anyone else here who is an INTJ?


Folks here definitely think a lot. They probably intuit too. I for one am introverted. As for being judgy, heh, yeah, oh yeah.
Tom Storm June 07, 2022 at 00:35 #705819
Quoting Clarky
Let me see if I can figure this out:

International Noodle Tasting Journal
Iranian Non-Traditional Juggling
I never took Judo.
If no-one tells Jamal
Is Norman Thomas Jewish?


Close but it actually stands for

Inadequate Notion That's Junk
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 00:42 #705822
Reply to Tom Storm

:lol: fellow Scorpio here...
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 03:37 #705842

Quoting Clarky
If no-one tells Jamal

hehe.

Quoting praxis
Folks here definitely think a lot. They probably intuit too. I for one am introverted. As for being judgy, heh, yeah, oh yeah.

Awesome! I'm in good company then.


Quoting Noble Dust
?Tom Storm
:lol: fellow Scorpio here...

Copypasted:

[quote]Scorpios are loyal, smart, shrewd and stoic. They stand by their beliefs, and they don't crave anyone else's approval. Scorpio is like the big, bad elder sister of the Water sign crew.[/quote[

Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 04:19 #705846
Reply to L'éléphant

:chin: By the way, I'm an INFP; probably a minority on the forum. A big ball of unruly emotions. But as @Tom Storm alluded to, Meyers Briggs isn't exactly considered to be of much veracity...
praxis June 07, 2022 at 04:47 #705849
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm an INFP; probably a minority on the forum.


A minority of two, at least.
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 04:49 #705850
Reply to Noble Dust Just found out that I'm INFP too :cheer:

INFP-T, apparently, meaning I'm more turbulent than assertive. I don't really get that, as I feel like I'm both.

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Jamal June 07, 2022 at 04:50 #705851
Reply to praxis Join the club.
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 04:53 #705852
[quote=16personalities.com]Mediators are quiet, private, free spirits who view life as an endless series of idealistic possibilities waiting to be realized. They typically try to get along with others and promote harmony wherever they go.[/quote]

Hm, not sure that test was accurate.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 04:54 #705853
Reply to praxis Reply to Jamal

Well never mind then. We're all unrealistic idealists, not hard-nosed rational philosophers...?
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 04:55 #705854
Quoting Jamal
Hm, not sure that test was accurate.


It's been a long time since I took the test, more than 20 years. If I remember correctly I was an AHOL.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 04:56 #705855
Reply to Clarky

You strike me as an INTP.
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 04:59 #705856
Quoting Noble Dust
Well never mind then. We're all unrealistic idealists, not hard-nosed rational philosophers...?


Hard-nosed rational philosopher before lunchtime, unrealistic idealist for the rest of the day.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:06 #705858
Reply to Jamal

Depends on how much if any wine has been served post-luncheon.
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 05:10 #705859
Reply to Noble Dust Good point. As wine goes down the esophagus, rationality goes out the window.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:14 #705860
Reply to Jamal

True for me, but not convinced it's universal. My old buddy could house drinks and remain rational, but he was an INTJ, if you believe in that sort of thing.

American sidebar: Eduardo Escobar just hit for the cycle for the New York Mets. Special.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 05:14 #705861
I'm currently about 2 glasses into cheap sauvignon blanc half-rationality.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:18 #705864
Reply to praxis

Do you feel 50% rational and 50% irrational at the moment?
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 05:18 #705865
Reply to Noble Dust Reply to Jamal
INFP weaknesses:

Self critical
Impractical
Overly sensitive
Overly idealistic
Hard to get to know
Conflict avoiders.

I'm not going to list the INTJ's weaknesses as they are embarrassing.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 05:19 #705866
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 05:20 #705867
Quoting praxis
I'm currently about 2 glasses into cheap sauvignon blanc half-rationality.

I had cocobon with tortelini for dinner.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:20 #705868
Reply to L'éléphant

Why choose to broadcast our weaknesses rather than our strengths?
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 05:21 #705869
Quoting Noble Dust
Why choose to broadcast our weaknesses rather than our strengths?

Because Jamal already broadcasted your strengths. See chart.
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 05:22 #705870
Quoting L'éléphant
Self critical
Impractical
Over sensitive
Overly idealistic
Hard to get to know
Conflict avoiders


That's me! Except maybe the last one. Depends on the type of conflict.

Sorry to embarrass you but I was curious, and now I shall reveal your weaknesses:

Arrogant
Dismissive of Emotions
Overly Critical
Combative
Socially Clueless
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:22 #705871
Reply to L'éléphant

That screenshot is just his percentages on the test.
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 05:22 #705872
Quoting Noble Dust
Why choose to broadcast our weaknesses rather than our strengths?


Dismissive of Emotions
Overly Critical
Combative
Socially Clueless

:wink:
praxis June 07, 2022 at 05:23 #705873
Reply to L'éléphant

A red blend of Merlot, Zinfandel and Petite Sirah grapes. Nooice!
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 05:23 #705874
Reply to Jamal :grimace: :death:
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 05:26 #705875
Quoting praxis
A red blend of Merlot, Zinfandel and Petite Sirah grapes. Nooice!


:up:
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:29 #705876
Reply to L'éléphant

You live in a small town in France and you drank a shitty California red blend with your Italian tortellini dinner?
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 05:31 #705877
Reply to Noble Dust Not at the moment. :snicker:
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 05:32 #705879
Quoting L'éléphant
I had cocobon with tortelini for dinner.


For first breakfast, at 5:30 AM, I had a bowl of Greek yoghurt, oats, raspberries, and banana, with coffee. Following a 75 minute bike ride I had a second breakfast of gorgonzola and tomato on toast, again with coffee.

Who knows what lunch will bring...
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:36 #705881
Reply to L'éléphant

I'll pretend I didn't see it.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 05:46 #705883
Quoting Jamal
Who knows what lunch will bring...


Should you choose Cocobon, the roasted oak red blend is best paired with a mushroom and sausage risotto or finely aged cheeses and meats. :yum:
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:49 #705884
Reply to praxis

Should you choose to drink anything other than Cocobon, I can recommend literally any other wine to pair with your meal.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 05:50 #705886
Reply to Noble Dust

That bad??
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:51 #705887
Reply to praxis

I've never had it. :meh:
Jamal June 07, 2022 at 05:53 #705888
Tuesday wine is incompatible with my regimen.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 05:53 #705889
Reply to Noble Dust

The website doesn't say where the grapes are from, which isn't a good sign.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:57 #705890
Reply to praxis

In my cloistered bubble, we often know the vineyard from which the grapes come. :grimace:
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 05:59 #705891
Anyway I retook the MBTI out of monday night boredom and came up with an even stronger INFP rating than ever. Just waiting for @Clarky's result.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 06:11 #705893
I'll probably have oatmeal and blueberries for breakfast, with green tea.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 07:05 #705898
Reply to praxis

Herzog I don't know, but my slice of the wine pie tends towards both an old world focus, as well as the more "natural", hipster side of things. The "little winery a few blocks from the house" is more likely to be a winery I might know. I also hate the wine industry.
Noble Dust June 07, 2022 at 07:08 #705899
Reply to praxis

Oh right, erm, I'll probably have plain whole fat yogurt for breakfast, and maybe some whole wheat chex if I'm feeling famished. With coffee, or maybe a bottle of yerba mate instead. Depends.
Hanover June 07, 2022 at 10:12 #705920
Reply to L'éléphant I took the test a few times and came back an INTJ, but I think I straddle the E/I line. I can be outgoing until I'm not, then I'm done.
Tate June 07, 2022 at 14:32 #706020
Quoting Hanover
but I think I straddle the E/I line. I can be outgoing until I'm not, then I'm done.


It's not so much about how outgoing you are. It's more about how you make decisions. Introverted people tend to rely on their own reasoning vs external cues. A sign of introversion is working out explanations and solutions without engaging anyone else, which can lead to confusion on the part of friends and family.

Introverted people often become exhausted by social situations, where extroverts gain energy from engaging others.
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 15:10 #706029
Quoting praxis
I'll probably have oatmeal and blueberries for breakfast, with green tea.


I'll do the same thing for breakfast I do every day - drink ice coffee while reading bad philosophy.
Heracloitus June 07, 2022 at 15:15 #706031
Reply to Clarky You read Sartre for breakfast?
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 15:17 #706032
Quoting emancipate
You read Sartre for breakfast?


Even he is smartre than the guys I read.
Heracloitus June 07, 2022 at 15:20 #706033
:grin:
praxis June 07, 2022 at 15:24 #706035
Reply to Clarky

I did have oatmeal & blueberries, with green tea, paired with a few angry words about belief and believing.
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 15:25 #706036
Quoting praxis
I did have oatmeal & blueberries, with green tea, paired with a few angry words about belief and believing.


I know how you feel. There is nothing better than a self-righteous, smug sense of superiority to get the day started right.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 15:28 #706038
Reply to Clarky

Yes, Banno is cool. :cool:
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 15:31 #706039
Quoting praxis
Banno is cool.


Ok?
praxis June 07, 2022 at 15:36 #706041
Reply to Clarky

So the Carl Jung’s and Isabel Briggs Myers’ typology test. I’ll bet your results end with a J.
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 15:41 #706043
Quoting praxis
So the Carl Jung’s and Isabel Briggs Myers’ typology test. I’ll bet your results end with a J.


I never took it. I assume "J" stands for "jerk." If so, you're probably right.
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 15:46 #706044
@praxis

Quoting Clarky
There is nothing better than a self-righteous, smug sense of superiority to get the day started right.


In this regard, take a look at the "Internal thought police - a very bad idea" thread. It will give you plenty of opportunity to feel self-righteous, smug, and superior.

praxis June 07, 2022 at 15:50 #706045
Reply to Clarky

I think we can safely assume INTJ.

As one of the rarest personality types – and one of the most capable – Architects (INTJs) know this all too well. Rational and quick-witted, Architects pride themselves on their ability to think for themselves, not to mention their uncanny knack for seeing right through phoniness and hypocrisy. But because their minds are never at rest, Architects may struggle to find people who can keep up with their nonstop analysis of everything around them.
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 16:00 #706048
Quoting praxis
I think we can safely assume INTJ.


I looked up INTJ. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gandalf were identified with that classification.
BC June 07, 2022 at 16:04 #706049
As one of the rarest personality types – and one of the most capable – Architects


If architects are so smart, how come the Millennium Tower in San Francisco is sinking and tilting?

Reply to praxis
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 16:12 #706052
Quoting Bitter Crank
If architects are so smart, how come the Millennium Tower in San Francisco is sinking and tilting?


They are trying to make San Francisco more cosmopolitan, so they modelled it on that tower in Pisa.
T Clark June 07, 2022 at 16:13 #706053
Quoting Bitter Crank
If architects are so smart, how come the Millennium Tower in San Francisco is sinking and tilting?


Also, to be fair, it's the engineers, not the architects.
praxis June 07, 2022 at 18:26 #706093
Reply to Clarky

That topic is fun.
L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 19:36 #706112
Quoting praxis
The website doesn't say where the grapes are from, which isn't a good sign.

Merlot, zinfandel, and petite sirah are types of grapes. They're indicated in the description. From california. AVA regions.

Quoting Hanover
I took the test a few times and came back an INTJ, but I think I straddle the E/I line. I can be outgoing until I'm not, then I'm done.

Haha! That's INTJ!
Welcome to the cave. :sweat:

L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 19:41 #706113
Quoting Jamal
For first breakfast, at 5:30 AM, I had a bowl of Greek yoghurt, oats, raspberries, and banana, with coffee. Following a 75 minute bike ride I had a second breakfast of gorgonzola and tomato on toast, again with coffee.

Awesome! So healthy!
praxis June 07, 2022 at 19:49 #706116
Quoting L'éléphant
The website doesn't say where the grapes are from, which isn't a good sign.
— praxis
Merlot, zinfandel, and petite sirah are types of grapes. They're indicated in the description. From california. AVA regions.


It says AVA regions? Not exactly narrowing it down.

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L'éléphant June 07, 2022 at 20:13 #706126
Reply to praxis

Mendocino County
Top Wine Varietals: Pinot Noir and Chardonnay
AVAs to Know:

Anderson Valley
Col Ranch
McDowell Valley
Mendocino Ridge
Potter Valley Redwood Valley
Ukiah Valley
Yorkville Highlands

Lake County
Top Varietals: Cabernet Sauvignon, Petite Sirah, Tempranillo, and Sauvignon Blanc.
AVAs to Know:

High Valley
Red Hills
Guenoc Valley
Big Valley

Napa Valley
Top Varietals: Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir and Chardonnay
AVAs to Know:

Howell Mountain
Diamond Mountain
Spring Mountain
St. Helena
Rutherford
Atlas Peak
Stags Leap
Yountville
Oak Knoll
Mt. Veeder
Coombsville
Wild Horse Valley
Los Carneros
Chiles Valley

And so on. There's the sonoma county and sierra foothills. Sierra foothills has the zinfandel.

Tate June 08, 2022 at 00:11 #706186
I sometimes look at trees and imagine a brontosaurus peeking around or a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
T Clark June 08, 2022 at 00:52 #706212
Quoting praxis
That topic is fun.


I've been checking in now and then. It looks like you're having a good time.
Hanover June 08, 2022 at 01:17 #706227
I'm making some chili in the crock pot tomorrow. Thoughts?
Noble Dust June 08, 2022 at 01:19 #706229
Reply to Hanover

A pinch of cloves goes a long way. Say yes to beans.
praxis June 08, 2022 at 01:22 #706232
Reply to Hanover

It can be a lot of work if you prepare the chilies from scratch. Good though. Say no to beans.
praxis June 08, 2022 at 01:25 #706235
Reply to Clarky

Was I too self-righteous and stuff?

Hanover June 08, 2022 at 01:47 #706246
I bought dried beans and that will be the main ingredient, so we're looking at bean chili.

The meat will be cow.
T Clark June 08, 2022 at 01:58 #706252
Quoting Hanover
I'm making some chili in the crock pot tomorrow. Thoughts?


America's Test Kitchen says Goya beans are better than beans prepared from dried beans.
Noble Dust June 08, 2022 at 02:00 #706253
I'm currently eating Goya black beans.
T Clark June 08, 2022 at 02:01 #706256
Quoting praxis
Was I too self-righteous and stuff?


No, I thought you were fine. Are you disappointed that I don't think you were smug and self-righteous.
praxis June 08, 2022 at 02:05 #706259
Varde June 08, 2022 at 09:11 #706374
Listening to Metal- a lot more now. If you're experienced with all music genres, do you end up listening to post-hardcore metal? Very philosophical, such as Saosin - it's Far Better To Learn, where he states in the chorus 'What is my body worth? Was there a pricetag there before?'
Varde June 08, 2022 at 09:14 #706375
Hanover June 08, 2022 at 10:07 #706390
Quoting Clarky
America's Test Kitchen says Goya beans are better than beans prepared from dried beans.


Yeah, Rockefeller, we're not all so wealthy as to be able to afford pre-prepared canned beans.
Cuthbert June 08, 2022 at 10:07 #706392
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm currently eating Goya black beans.


I bet they go nicely with Dali dal.

Varde June 08, 2022 at 13:47 #706516
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Picture taken using a Google Pixel 6. Managed to capture a flame in transit. I took the photo multiple times, each time the flame was beautiful. Good luck on your birthdays too and happy hunting.
Varde June 08, 2022 at 15:25 #706561
Looks like I'm leaving the site as this is more academic philosophy and I'm more a hitchhiker, back scratching with a fork kind of philosophy, and thus, bye, it's been a subtly good but teeth grinding experience. Enjoy.

Edit: the exit is not a road, nor a door, but it is a route, what is it?

A Sound wave! Acceptance.

I'm wise enough to know I'M NOT as wise as a goat.
Jackson June 08, 2022 at 15:53 #706572
Quoting Varde
Looks like I'm leaving the site as this is more academic philosophy and I'm more a hitchhiker, back scratching with a fork kind of philosophy, and thus, bye, it's been a subtly good but teeth grinding experience. Enjoy.

Edit: the exit is not a road, nor a door, but it is a route, what is it?

A Sound wave! Acceptance.

I'm wise enough to know I'M NOT as wise as a goat.


Philosophy is a shared enterprise. There is nothing wrong with writing things that are personal, but there still needs to be some shared vocabulary.
Varde June 08, 2022 at 16:12 #706581
Reply to Jackson yeah, but na. I insist, she's all yours.
Jackson June 08, 2022 at 16:13 #706584
T Clark June 08, 2022 at 16:44 #706605
Quoting Hanover
Yeah, Rockefeller, we're not all so wealthy as to be able to afford pre-prepared canned beans.


While you're at it, I recommend Campbell's Chunky Hungry Man Beef and Bean Chili. You won't have to cook at all. If you're in a hurry, you can eat it cold out of the can.

On a related note, while searching the web for amusing chili products, I came across Joan of Arc canned chili beans. Those seem like they would be worth a try.
L'éléphant June 08, 2022 at 18:37 #706687
Reply to Varde I can see the flame.

Quoting Varde
Looks like I'm leaving the site as this is more academic philosophy and I'm more a hitchhiker, back scratching with a fork kind of philosophy, and thus, bye, it's been a subtly good but teeth grinding experience. Enjoy.

Sorry to see you go. But the site is actually more open than you think. Not so much academic, but more foundational -- discussions on this site build on past ideas.
T Clark June 08, 2022 at 19:08 #706708
I love soft-boiled eggs.

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Varde June 08, 2022 at 19:46 #706729
Reply to L'éléphant I wasn't insulting the site.

I'll stay, but truthfully, dictionaries are tools for accepted and defined language recognition and we should appreciate our ability to lexograph.

People should appreciate too that philosophy is vague sometimes, we don't always know the answer to a question.

There will be no progress without taking a step away from where we currently are, and no-one needs to recite old tales pointlessly...
L'éléphant June 09, 2022 at 01:56 #706838
Quoting Varde
I wasn't insulting the site.

I didn't think you were. I was trying to point out that if that did not suit you, well there's a good reason to stay.
Varde June 09, 2022 at 07:42 #706904
Reply to L'éléphant ah I see.. well. Cheers.
Wayfarer June 09, 2022 at 23:54 #707158
Just discovered THE book that seems to articulate the inchoate idea I've been wresting with since my very first forum post

https://www.amazon.com.au/Mind-Cosmic-Order-Structure-Transforms/dp/3030500829/r

The topic of this book is the relationship between mind and the physical world. From once being an esoteric question of philosophy, this subject has become a central topic in the foundations of quantum physics. The book traces this story back to Descartes, through Kant, to the beginnings of 20th Century physics, where it becomes clear that the mind-world relationship is not a speculative question but has a direct impact on the understanding of physical phenomena.

The book’s argument begins with the British empiricists who raised our awareness of the fact that we have no direct contact with physical reality, but it is the mind that constructs the form and features of objects. It is shown that modern cognitive science brings this insight a step further by suggesting that shape and structure are not internal to objects, but arise in the observer. The author goes yet further by arguing that the meaningful connectedness between things — the hierarchical organization of all we perceive — is the result of the Gestalt nature of perception and thought, and exists only as a property of mind. These insights give the first glimmerings of a new way of seeing the cosmos: not as a mineral wasteland but a place inhabited by creatures.


Author bio is here https://charlespinter.com/

As he's a mathematician, he may be of interest to @jgill and other mathematicians here.
L'éléphant June 09, 2022 at 23:59 #707162
T Clark June 10, 2022 at 01:04 #707200
The US House Jan 6 Committee hearings are on right now.
Metaphysician Undercover June 10, 2022 at 01:26 #707211
Reply to Wayfarer Very inciteful! No, that's not what I meant. I meant insightful.
Metaphysician Undercover June 10, 2022 at 01:28 #707212
Reply to Clarky
So is the Rangers/Lightning game.
T Clark June 10, 2022 at 01:33 #707213
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
So is the Rangers/Lightning game.


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Metaphysician Undercover June 10, 2022 at 01:38 #707214
Reply to Clarky Vasilevskiy can be beat.
T Clark June 10, 2022 at 01:43 #707215
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Vasilevskiy can be beat.


Sorry. Not a hockey fan. But I'm glad to see you have your priorities in the right place.
Metaphysician Undercover June 10, 2022 at 01:51 #707218
Reply to Clarky
What can I say? One's exciting, the other's boring.
T Clark June 10, 2022 at 02:13 #707221
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
What can I say? One's exciting, the other's boring.


My son is a very big Bruins fan. I grew up in Delaware, where hockey was not a big sport when I was a kid. My father took us to one Colts game a year.
Hanover June 10, 2022 at 02:33 #707228
Hockey is HUGE in Georgia. Every winter, we put our skates on, grab our sticks, and jump in the lake and it's game on!.

My favorite childhood sports memory was when @Clarky and his dad would swing by the coal mine and take me to a Colts game. His dad would take me to a bunch of Orioles games too, but I always thought that was weird.
BC June 10, 2022 at 04:29 #707256
I just discovered COPS episodes on YouTube. An old stand-by.
Moliere June 10, 2022 at 22:53 #707539
We'll see if life allows me to keep up on TPF or not. But it's been nice to be participating again.
Hanover June 12, 2022 at 00:06 #707869
Quoting Bitter Crank
just discovered COPS episodes on YouTube. An old stand-by.


What was once considered entertainment is now so horribly disgusting.

One thing I am sure of. The arrests haven't changed just because the show stopped airing.


BC June 12, 2022 at 01:51 #707886
Reply to Hanover I heard that crime does not pay.
Hanover June 12, 2022 at 13:27 #707987
Impeller versus agitator, which cleans best?

Discuss.
BC June 12, 2022 at 14:38 #707990
Reply to Hanover That's a very cogent question. Which is the best route to social change: inside agitators or outside agitators?

Edit: It might depend on how much filth one is trying to rid one's situation of. Agitation.
Hanover June 12, 2022 at 16:34 #708007
Quoting Bitter Crank
Edit: It might depend on how much filth one is trying to rid one's situation of. Agitation.


Or whether they're just airing dirty laundry
BC June 12, 2022 at 18:10 #708020
Quoting Hanover
airing dirty laundry


According to Google Ngram, the expression "air dirty laundry" rarely appeared in print until about 1980. What happened in 1979 that resulted in laundry being aired out so frequently that people began writing about it? Did personal hygiene suffer a significant setback in 1979? Whatever it was, it has continued, because there has been no decrease in airing dirty laundry.

Hanover June 12, 2022 at 18:53 #708034
Quoting Bitter Crank
Whatever it was, it has continued, because there has been no decrease in airing dirty laundry.


Interesting because in the 70s it was far more common to air your clean laundry to dry, but then everyone started getting electric dryers, and that ended, as did the stiff air dried clothes.

We never would air dirty laundry. That would be a strange way to go about it. Truly dirty laundry would be left to soak, not to just get crusty in the sun.

I can see where an expression about not wanting to airi intimate clothing might be a thing, as in don't air your private affairs in public. Why you'd air soiled clothes, that wouldn't happen in the literal sense, unless one means by "dirty" things like thongs, banana hammocks, and nippleless bras (I imagine there is such a thing), and the like.

BC June 12, 2022 at 19:49 #708041
Reply to Hanover Maybe people always aired their dirty laundry, but it was using the expression IN PRINT that was taboo. Round about the end of the 1970s, what with women's lib and all, taboos were evaporating. Suddenly people felt free to write about airing their shocking laundry. This led to people feeling free to vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980, and it's been downhill ever since.
Metaphysician Undercover June 13, 2022 at 01:55 #708171
Quoting Bitter Crank
According to Google Ngram, the expression "air dirty laundry" rarely appeared in print until about 1980.


Seems around the same time as Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry". In that song, to air dirty laundry is to go public with another's misfortunes, or perhaps even cause misfortune to others through the use of media.
Metaphysician Undercover June 13, 2022 at 02:07 #708174
Kick em when they're up, Kick em when they're down, Kick em when they're stiff, Kick em all around.
Hanover June 13, 2022 at 18:37 #708348
My son just had a layover in Amsterdam and the airport was overwhelmed with rats. Apparently, that's a thing in The Netherlands. https://dutchreview.com/culture/rats-netherlands/ He said no one seemed concerned about them, like they were just a common sight.

I think cats would control that, but then you'd need dogs to control the cats, and then bears to control the dogs, then lions to control the bears, then elephants to control the lions, then cobras to control the elephants, then mongooses to control the cobras, then rats to control the mongooses and the cycle would start back.

So maybe just leave the rats as is.

Anyone else ever hear of the Dutch Rat?
praxis June 13, 2022 at 20:21 #708372
We have Norway rats in our neighborhood. Once they were invading our bird feeders so my bro lent me a rat trap that doesn't harm them. I'd catch'm and release in a field a few miles away. After a while, we gave up and took down the bird feeders because there were always more rats.
BC June 14, 2022 at 00:20 #708438
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover Thanks for the reference to the Doug Henley piece. The song DIRTY LAUNDRY did appear in 1982, and it was #1 on the Billboard charts for a while. Don't remember it myself, but I thought it not-too-bad just now. It's possible that a phrase in a catchy song (or TV program...) could catch on in conversation and spread very widely. But the Google Ngram is about words and phrases that show up in print. It seems unlikely that a phrase in a song would transfer to print so fast. Speech, sure.

It's rate of increase fits the "hockey stick" model, from nothing to something, very fast with a steep incline.

Interesting.
Metaphysician Undercover June 14, 2022 at 01:12 #708447
Reply to Hanover
I know an old lady, who swallowed a fly
I don't know why she swallowed a fly.
Metaphysician Undercover June 14, 2022 at 01:40 #708455
Reply to Bitter Crank
The song writer picks up a phrase, from who knows where, and being a talented artist, intuitively apprehends the phrase's potential. And through the song, the phrase is popularized. The song writer need not be the original author of the phrase. But the song writer tends to get credit, even though the phrase might have been rolling off the tongue forever.

"“Well, my mother told my father, / Just before I was born, / "I got a boy child's comin', / Gonna be a rollin' stone . . ."” Muddy Waters, 1950.

Ancient Greek proverb: a rolling stone does not gather algae.
Banno June 14, 2022 at 03:37 #708484
Have you ever noticed that threads continue well beyond the point at which the conundrum of the OP had been answered? And this without a change of topic?

One might expect a thread to stop at the point at which the OP is no longer problematic.

Some possible explanations:
  • The folk continuing the thread missed the answer
  • The folk continuing the thread did not understand the answer.
  • The folk continuing the thread do not care about the answer
Mikie June 14, 2022 at 03:44 #708486
Is a Cobb salad “healthy”?

:chin:
Noble Dust June 14, 2022 at 03:58 #708488
Reply to Xtrix

On the salad scale I would rate it medium-low. Was this a ploy to alert us that you're now a mod?
Mikie June 14, 2022 at 13:39 #708577
Quoting Noble Dust
On the salad scale I would rate it medium-low.


I think so too. I want to believe the opposite.

Quoting Noble Dust
Was this a ploy to alert us that you're now a mod?


It was a ploy to convince myself eating bacon is good for me.
Baden June 14, 2022 at 13:45 #708578
Quoting Banno
Some possible explanations:
The folk continuing the thread missed the answer
The folk continuing the thread did not understand the answer.
The folk continuing the thread do not care about the answer


+Banno wants another 100 pager.

Hanover June 15, 2022 at 12:54 #708887
Quoting Xtrix
Is a Cobb salad “healthy”?


I particularly enjoy the Cobb Zalad at Zaxby's. I have it with grilled chicken (not fried) tossed in tongue torch sauce and I choose the Mediterranean dressing.

I had one yesterday. If you were there as well, I was ticket number 149, so maybe you remember me when they called my number.
Mikie June 15, 2022 at 14:10 #708895
Reply to Hanover

Never even heard of Zaxby’s. I had to Wikipedia it. Mostly in the south— none up here in NH. Too bad — sounds good.
Moliere June 15, 2022 at 20:19 #708951
Feel like lamenting the lack of public access to academic journals. There are variations on the theme here, depending on field/location/etc, but it'd be a lot easier to read together here if there was public access.
Jackson June 15, 2022 at 21:42 #708960
Quoting Moliere
Feel like lamenting the lack of public access to academic journals. There are variations on the theme here, depending on field/location/etc, but it'd be a lot easier to read together here if there was public access.


Unless you have access to a university library, philosophy journals won't let you see anything without paying for an article.
Tate June 16, 2022 at 18:37 #709256
It rains diamonds on Jupiter.
skyblack June 16, 2022 at 22:09 #709310
Pinging @Baden
Baden June 16, 2022 at 22:17 #709313
Reply to skyblack

No need to ping me, I won't be visiting Jupiter this year. Gas is too pricey.
skyblack June 16, 2022 at 22:21 #709315
That's good. The central committee won't know what to do, in your absence, perhaps.

The reason for the ping was to ask a question. How to upload an image to the editor. The only option i see is a "link". But what about the option of uploading from the computer?
Baden June 16, 2022 at 22:23 #709316
Reply to skyblack

You have to be a subscriber to get to upload images because we have to pay for the space. Sorry about that.
skyblack June 16, 2022 at 22:26 #709317
No worries. What are the subscription fees if one decides to support the forum?
Baden June 16, 2022 at 22:35 #709322
Reply to skyblack

That's a good question and I've just realized the service was disabled because we have to pay to enable it. I sorted that now, so it should be available but I'm not sure how much it is, a few dollars a month, I think. Do you see an option?
Baden June 16, 2022 at 22:36 #709323
@Jamal might know more.
skyblack June 16, 2022 at 22:43 #709327
Not sure where this option is but thanks for looking into it. The question came to me because it makes sense for the regulars to support the forum in some way, since they are spending a good part of their time here.
Baden June 16, 2022 at 22:47 #709329
Reply to skyblack

Appreciate that. Anyhow, it cost me ten bucks to top up the service so someone better put their hand in their pocket. :lol:
Noble Dust June 16, 2022 at 22:48 #709330
*puts hand in pocket and whistles while walking away*

skyblack June 16, 2022 at 22:52 #709331
Reply to Baden

I hear ya. Usually that's where people fail...putting their money where the mouth is, in more than one way.

BTW, speaking of 'Jamal', it is really tempting to change the username from skyblack to 'Jalal', while speaking with Jamal.:smile:
skyblack June 16, 2022 at 22:54 #709332
How are the payments processed @Baden ?
Tom Storm June 16, 2022 at 23:48 #709336
Reply to Baden I'd be happy to pay something towards access.
Hanover June 17, 2022 at 01:38 #709347
Quoting Xtrix
Never even heard of Zaxby’s. I had to Wikipedia it. Mostly in the south— none up here in NH. Too bad — sounds good.


Did some research, and I'd recommend The Puritan Backroom in Manchester for your chicken tenders needs while in New Hampshire.
Hanover June 17, 2022 at 01:41 #709349
Quoting skyblack
How are the payments processed Baden ?


I think it's through PayPal.
Hanover June 17, 2022 at 01:44 #709352
On my profile page, it lists me as a subscriber with an option to cancel it. Not sure how a non-subscriber's looks, but maybe it has an option to activate it. Take a look at your profile page and see and decide if you want to join.
Mikie June 17, 2022 at 02:15 #709357
Reply to Hanover

Already been there. Supposedly where they were invented. They add a lot of sugar to the batter. Still good though.
Hanover June 17, 2022 at 02:19 #709360
Quoting Xtrix
Already been there. Supposedly where they were invented. They add a lot of sugar to the batter. Still good though.


They invented the chicken?

That answers the chicken or egg question.
Mikie June 17, 2022 at 02:34 #709365
Reply to Hanover

Chicken fingers, yes. Believe it or not:

Golden fingers were first made in Manchester, New Hampshire at the Puritan Backroom in 1974.[7] Restaurants in Savannah, Georgia, and Baton Rouge, Louisiana have challenged this claim with later assertions to the invention of chicken tenders, although the general consensus supports the claim in Manchester.[8]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_fingers

A highly contentious issue, apparently.
Noble Dust June 17, 2022 at 02:50 #709372
Never understood the chicken tenders craze. Give me bone-in wings any day so I can feel like a rabid animal as I eat them.
Jamal June 17, 2022 at 03:28 #709385
Quoting skyblack
What are the subscription fees if one decides to support the forum?


https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/367/subscribe-to-tpf

If you follow the link there, it takes you to the "Subscribe Now" page, where you'll see two options: $5 per month or $10 per quarter.
Jamal June 17, 2022 at 03:44 #709393
Quoting Baden
That's a good question and I've just realized the service was disabled because we have to pay to enable it. I sorted that now


I noticed that but I haven't been able to get in to my PayPal to pay it.
Jamal June 17, 2022 at 03:56 #709397
McDonald's restaurants have re-opened in Russia under a new name, Vkusno & tochka ("Tasty and that's it" or "Delicious, full stop"). Despite the name, the new logo still looks like an M:

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Represented in the logo are two fries and a burger, apparently.

Meanwhile, ?????? (shawarma) kiosks throughout the country continue to use signs like this:

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skyblack June 17, 2022 at 03:56 #709398
Thanks @Hanover & @Jamal
Streetlight June 17, 2022 at 04:25 #709410
Reply to Jamal Huh. I thought the first one was a revamped Mos burger logo:

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This being a Japanese burger chain commonly found in Asia, for those who haven't heard of it.
Jamal June 17, 2022 at 04:47 #709414
Reply to Streetlight Suspiciously similar.
Noble Dust June 17, 2022 at 06:17 #709426
deleted 'cause I'm a complainer
Noble Dust June 17, 2022 at 06:22 #709429
@Wosret Halloe??
Wosret June 17, 2022 at 06:24 #709430
Reply to Noble Dust Hey, what's up?
Noble Dust June 17, 2022 at 06:27 #709431
Reply to Wosret

I have no idea. Just random association stuff
Wosret June 17, 2022 at 06:29 #709432
Reply to Noble Dust

I pull mine out of a hat.
Wosret June 17, 2022 at 06:32 #709435
Someone's hat...
Noble Dust June 17, 2022 at 06:34 #709436
Reply to Wosret

I wish I did. I see the visual has changed, as it should.
Wosret June 17, 2022 at 06:35 #709437
Reply to Noble Dust

Yesterday's news.
Noble Dust June 17, 2022 at 06:38 #709441
Reply to Wosret

Tomorrow's problems. Or victories. Depends.
Wosret June 17, 2022 at 06:43 #709443
Reply to Noble Dust

There are no winners here... just a whole lot of losers.
Noble Dust June 17, 2022 at 06:46 #709445
Reply to Wosret

It's a harem of losers, actually.
Wosret June 17, 2022 at 06:49 #709446
Reply to Noble Dust

Get your mind out of the gutter... I know a better place, where it runs out into a pool of cess.
Baden June 17, 2022 at 14:59 #709519
@skyblack @Jamal

Sorry, was up a mountain. Glad that's sorted. :up:
Hanover June 17, 2022 at 15:17 #709521
Reply to Wosret There's a creative writing contest going on now with a deadline in under a week. You should enter a story about a mad hatter with a harem of hatters who runs an illicit haberdashery. His nemesis might be a cobbler who entices the harem of hatters over with peach cobbler. I mean I know it's a worn out idea, but it's something to think about. Maybe add some variety by going with apple instead of peach.

I'm also impressed by your long silence here and then ready response when summoned. You're like a fighter pilot who sleeps in the cockpit, waiting for the call. You might want to work that into your story as well.
Hanover June 17, 2022 at 15:19 #709522
Quoting Baden
Sorry, was up a mountain.


Did you bring back 10 new commandments?
Wosret June 17, 2022 at 15:56 #709526
Reply to Hanover

Maybe something on the invention of pants... that topic appears ceaselessly interesting to me.
Baden June 17, 2022 at 16:03 #709527
Quoting Hanover
Did you bring back 10 new commandments?


1. Thou shalt not ask stupid questions.
2. Put your pants back on.
3. Keep my wife out your @#$& mouth.

That's enough. It was a small mountain.
Hanover June 17, 2022 at 16:17 #709531
Reply to Baden #2 seems too specific, like it's talking to me directly, as opposed to a universal sort of command.
BC June 17, 2022 at 17:34 #709547
Reply to Jamal No, It is one of the new Rorschach test images, re-engineered to capture modern consumer psychopathies.

"So, what do you see in this image? How does it make you feel? Just say whatever comes into your head first."

"Yes, doctor. It's clearly the stump of your severed head and two baguettes."


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Baden June 17, 2022 at 20:15 #709589
First thing I'm buying is 1000 cans of tuna.

Second is a car I don't need.

Third is a pair of pants (always wanted one of those).
skyblack June 17, 2022 at 21:25 #709618
Reply to Baden

If you and Hanover are the same size perhaps he can mail you some pants, no?
Baden June 17, 2022 at 23:01 #709651
Reply to skyblack

His size is not size, baby.
Baden June 17, 2022 at 23:01 #709652
Don't ask me what that means. I don't even know myself. I am convinced it sounds good though.
skyblack June 17, 2022 at 23:13 #709658
Reply to Baden

Pardon me i have been multitasking here and somewhat distracted. I should have mentioned "wear same size pants".
Jamal June 18, 2022 at 03:15 #709748
Yes, doctor. It's clearly the stump of your severed head and two baguettes


That would be a very niche restaurant.
Noble Dust June 18, 2022 at 04:05 #709759
Cottage cheese, yes or no?
Jamal June 18, 2022 at 05:15 #709769
Noble Dust June 18, 2022 at 05:53 #709777
Reply to Jamal

Large or small curd? Also what the hell is cottage cheese?
Jamal June 18, 2022 at 09:26 #709798
Reply to Noble Dust It’s probably just in the US that it’s classified in that way, so I don’t know. I eat plenty of tvorog, as I mentioned. Whether corned or grained tvorog is in fact cottage cheese, that’s a can of worms I’m not willing to dive into.

Cottage cheese is curdled milk, taken straight from the cow, sheep, horse, or goat, in a cottage.
Hanover June 18, 2022 at 14:45 #709846
Cottage cheese is like chili. They take all the old pieces of left over cheese and they make a stew. In a cottage.
skyblack June 18, 2022 at 17:53 #709885
Reply to Hanover

I had never felt any need to verify if any changes can be made to the quote while quoting someone until yesterday, when i tried to underline parts of a quote, and realized it was possible. Have you guys thought about removing this feature to prevent any alterations to the verbatim content while quoting?
Noble Dust June 18, 2022 at 18:02 #709888
Reply to Hanover

I see. I assume you have cottage cheese contests in the Republic of Georgia?
Hanover June 18, 2022 at 18:06 #709889
Reply to skyblackWe've really not had a problem with people misquoting others, and if they did, it'd be readily apparent, and there might be instances where you would want to highlight part of the quote.

And yes, I did think about misquoting you, but my sense of humor is more sophisticated now that I'm a beatnik. I don't know if you knew that.
skyblack June 18, 2022 at 18:16 #709891
Reply to Hanover

No i did not. Thanks for sharing.
Hanover June 18, 2022 at 19:05 #709899
This is my new theme song. It speaks to me now that I'm a beatnik.

Hanover June 18, 2022 at 19:14 #709901
Quoting Noble Dust
see. I assume you have cottage cheese contests in the Republic of Georgia?

I make the hottest cottage cheese in the contest. The fiery chilis loosen the bowels while the cheese clogs them up, leaving you perfectly regular.
Jamal June 19, 2022 at 02:46 #709988
Quoting Noble Dust
Republic of Georgia


One of my favourite cottage cheese dishes is from Georgia, the country:

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It’s cheese within cheese, and the inner cheese is flavoured with mint. I’ve mentioned it before in the Shoutbox, and I’ll mention it again.

Quoting Hanover
This is my new theme song


Groovy. I like this one by the same band:

Wosret June 19, 2022 at 07:31 #710016
Yeah, I'm not actually into that though, so no one have any other ideas.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 07:50 #710018
I'm actually basically in prison, as consequence of acting like a girl on the internet, and also running my mouth.

Really my only skills.
Noble Dust June 19, 2022 at 08:05 #710021
Reply to Wosret

You ok, friend?
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 08:39 #710024
Reply to Noble Dust I'm alright, how about you?
Noble Dust June 19, 2022 at 08:50 #710026
Reply to Wosret

Pretty medium.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 08:53 #710028
Reply to Noble Dust

Well, that's copasetic.
Noble Dust June 19, 2022 at 08:54 #710029
Reply to Wosret

Not really, it's more...medium.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 08:56 #710030
Reply to Noble Dust

Can't cope eh? Should say bad then...
Noble Dust June 19, 2022 at 08:57 #710032
Reply to Wosret

Nah, I think medium means medium.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 08:58 #710033
Reply to Noble Dust

A chair is a chair, and nothing else... :O
Noble Dust June 19, 2022 at 09:02 #710034
Reply to Wosret

Anyway, I'm pretty much not very medium.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 09:05 #710035
Reply to Noble Dust

How are you really then? Like medium actually sounds really bad... I said I'm alright, and that's like baseline.

Who was it that said that a bore is someone that when you ask them how they are, actually tells you...
unenlightened June 19, 2022 at 10:32 #710052
I see @karl stone has deprived us of all 711 of his pearls of wisdom. I trust all you philistines and ingrates are suitably contrite.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 11:57 #710063
I'll be forced, I'm not into it. I'll be forced.
god must be atheist June 19, 2022 at 12:18 #710064
Quoting Wosret
Maybe something on the invention of pants... that topic appears ceaselessly interesting to me.


You could combine the pants story seamlessly with the hats story, to create a creaseless story, sewing up the threads of the two stories at the end.
god must be atheist June 19, 2022 at 12:19 #710066
Quoting Wosret
Who was it that said that a bore is someone that when you ask them how they are, actually tells you...


I think it was you, just now.
god must be atheist June 19, 2022 at 12:24 #710069
Jamal, this Electric Prunes song, "Holy Art Thou"... it's pretty good. Takes me back the early seventies. Is it a period song? I could google it, I guess.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 12:25 #710070
Reply to god must be atheist I'm on an unending search for some good ones... it is a daily struggle.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 12:26 #710071
Reply to god must be atheist

I heard that before on third rock from the sun. That where you got it?
god must be atheist June 19, 2022 at 12:30 #710072
Reply to Wosret Sorry, Wosret... I am confused. By "that" you mean the song, or the saying "Who was it that said that a bore is someone that when you ask them how they are, actually tells you..."? I am on an unending quest to beat into people to use pronouns properly referenced in order to avoid ambiguity and to promote clear, understandable, communicative speech and writing.

Because the way you used the pronoun it is completely unclear what you mean by it.
Wosret June 19, 2022 at 12:33 #710073
Reply to god must be atheist

I responded sequentially, but seeing as you're not getting the reference... must not be it. The whole "who said that" "I did, just now".

Which itself was a reminder of a flashback to someone else who had said that, funnily enough.
karl stone June 19, 2022 at 12:55 #710075
Quoting unenlightened
I trust all you philistines and ingrates are suitably contrite.


Reply to unenlightened Baden deleted some of my posts - and twice told me to stop talking about certain things. I was unhappy about that - because it was an abuse of power, politically motivated censorship, contrary to the spirit of philosophical enquiry, insulting, and a waste of my time. There's no point me writing here if I cannot write what I really think. He's not going to make a liar out of me - so I deleted my posts and left.
unenlightened June 19, 2022 at 13:03 #710078
Reply to karl stone Yes, nobody likes being moderated, and everyone is inclined to think they have been treated unfairly. Well I glad you haven't deleted yourself entirely anyway. I was going to ask you something about the magma energy thing, but no matter, it was just curiosity.
Hanover June 19, 2022 at 13:12 #710080
Quoting god must be atheist
Jamal, this Electric Prunes song, "Holy Art Thou"... it's pretty good. Takes me back the early seventies. Is it a period song? I could google it, I guess.


My earliest record purchase was in the 70s when I was a kid. This was my favorite song off the K-tel record that had all the greatest hits of that year. I bought it off a TV ad.



karl stone June 19, 2022 at 13:47 #710082
Quoting unenlightened
I was going to ask you something about the magma energy thing, but no matter, it was just curiosity.


I've given up on the magma energy thing anyway! I tried, but no-one seems interested, so why should I continue casting my 'pearls of wisdom' before swine? Hope that doesn't make you philistines feel contrite or anything! So you're doomed! It doesn't make you a bad person per se! It's cause and effect, it's evolution, it's cosmic justice! If you're wrong - you're gone. It's the way it's been for every other living thing - of which, 99% are already extinct! I had hoped humankind had the adaptive intelligence to survive, but if not - that's fine. It's who you are; your nature will be your fate!



Wosret June 19, 2022 at 14:35 #710087
Would you believe that I hurt myself, due to being drafted as an NFL MVP?
Tate June 19, 2022 at 14:41 #710089
Reply to Jamal
Needs some peaches on top.
praxis June 19, 2022 at 15:31 #710102
@karl stone

All that talk of PC suppression and you end up completely censoring yourself. How ironical. :snicker:
Noble Dust June 19, 2022 at 19:47 #710168
Scrambled eggs and extra extra sharp cheddar on sourdough. Wish I had ketchup.
Baden June 19, 2022 at 20:29 #710174
Reply to unenlightened

Karl got stoned at the 711. Cool.
Baden June 19, 2022 at 21:01 #710176
And bought some pearls or something. Nice story anyway. Maybe fill it out and enter the short story [s]competition[/s] experience.
Tate June 19, 2022 at 23:48 #710215
Watch Napoleon Dynamite
Banno June 20, 2022 at 05:22 #710317
Letterkenny, anyone?

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god must be atheist June 20, 2022 at 08:27 #710356
Quoting Hanover
My earliest record purchase was in the 70s when I was a kid.


Same here, except I was already 15 in 1969 when I made my first purchase, which was the "Shades of Deep Purple". To this day I love the same five songs (of a total of 8) on it as the first time I listened to it.

My earliest memories of liking songs was 1. Riders in the Sky 2. Green Fields 3. Bunkocska, a Russian folks song about revolution. These go back to the early 60s, to my years as a pre-teen.
god must be atheist June 20, 2022 at 08:34 #710357
Quoting unenlightened
I see karl stone has deprived us of all 711 of his pearls of wisdom. I trust all you philistines and ingrates are suitably contrite.


I was out of the entire loop. What is this thing about Karl? What is it that he was twice told not to say?

To my credit, honestly, I never had a mod delete any of my posts on this site. I have had good training on other websites on what's acceptable to mods. Am I proud of this? Well, yes, it means people, ie. I, are still able to learn things after they turn sixty.
unenlightened June 20, 2022 at 09:21 #710365
Quoting god must be atheist
What is this thing about Karl? What is it that he was twice told not to say?


I don't know either, I vaguely remember some shout box altercation a while back. It just stuck me as a very laborious 'punishment' of us all to delete every single post one has made, and thereby remove some of the sense of those discussions. Something of the revenge of the spurned lover to it - I remember a lady of my acquaintance scratched my favourite record to unplayability. I doubt it made her feel better, really, and it didn't make me doubt the wisdom of my rejection.
Changeling June 20, 2022 at 10:00 #710373
@karl stone: first member ever to ban himself?
javi2541997 June 20, 2022 at 18:45 #710466
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universeness June 20, 2022 at 19:46 #710477
Quoting Hanover
My earliest record purchase was in the 70s when I was a kid. This was my favorite song off the K-tel record that had all the greatest hits of that year. I bought it off a TV ad


Did you know:
"Billy Don't Be a Hero" is a 1974 pop song that was first a UK hit for Paper Lace and then, some months later, a US hit for Bo Donaldson and The Heywoods. The song was written and composed by two British songwriters, Mitch Murray and Peter Callander

I have two little side stories about that song.

First is, my father used it in a 'duke box song off,' against a moron in a Glasgow pub.
He tried to wind my father up with his 'oldest swinger in town' choice on the duke box and my father made a direct physical threat towards him with his response choice of 'Billy don't be a hero.'
That seemed to end the clash!

Second is, I was a teacher on a school trip to the delft factory in holland. On the overnight ferry trip, the band was 'Paper lace.' I sent one of the pupils over to ask the band to sing 'Billy don't be a hero.'
The band leader was so proud that such a youngster had asked for one of their old hits that he announced it to everyone present in the room. He looked seriously dejected when the pupil pointed towards the much older looking me as the source of the request.
Hanover June 20, 2022 at 20:00 #710479
Quoting universeness
"Billy Don't Be a Hero" is a 1974 pop song that was first a UK hit for Paper Lace and then, some months later, a US hit for Bo Donaldson and The Heywoods. The song was written and composed by two British songwriters, Mitch Murray and Peter Callander


I do recall on the album I had that it also had "The Night Chicago Died," which was a Paper Lace song, and I always thought of the two songs as similar for some reason, but didn't know the connection.

Is a duke box a juke box?
Heracloitus June 20, 2022 at 20:20 #710484
Reply to javi2541997 I submitted one. Will I become rich if I win?
universeness June 20, 2022 at 20:24 #710485
Quoting Hanover
Is a duke box a juke box?


I was hoping you would ask that! The pub involved was called 'The Duke' so the jukebox was called the duke box. Even sectarian Glasgow pubs have their little whimsies.

Yep, they sang 'The Night Chicago Died,' on the ferry as well. Their two biggest hits!
The style on both songs certainly seem to be versions on a theme.
Trying to help control the antics of 50 5th year and 6th year pupils on an overnight ferry certainly echoes the words 'brother what a night it really was, brother what a fight it really was, yes indeed.'
Noble Dust June 20, 2022 at 20:39 #710486
Quoting emancipate
Will I become rich if I win?


It's poetry, so yes.
Banno June 20, 2022 at 22:27 #710513
Reply to universeness Damn your hands, Now I have the chorus for an earworm.
Banno June 20, 2022 at 22:27 #710514
Why are there no Canadians hereabouts?

unenlightened June 21, 2022 at 07:21 #710675
Reply to Banno Canada is so nice Canadians have no need to escape to Cyberspace.
universeness June 21, 2022 at 08:06 #710682
Quoting Hanover
I do recall on the album I had that it also had "The Night Chicago Died," which was a Paper Lace song, and I always thought of the two songs as similar for some reason, but didn't know the connection.


Your 'connection' suspicion was spot on. A google search confirms:
"The Night Chicago Died" was Paper Lace's follow-up single to "Billy Don't Be a Hero", a No. 1 hit in the U.K. but virtually unheard in the U.S. where Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods' cover reached No. 1. Callander and Murray wrote both songs.

Quoting Banno
Damn your hands, Now I have the chorus for an earworm.

:lol: My misery welcomes your company! Every now and then, I am back on that ferry with that song playing in the background, whilst myself and two other teachers tried to explain to two rebellious teens why they had to surrender the cigars they were smoking and the bottles of beer they had managed to get a hold of! Just as the band loudly sang "na na na...na na na...na na...na na.....the night chicago died"
Quite surreal really!
god must be atheist June 21, 2022 at 22:34 #710781
Quoting unenlightened
Canada is so nice Canadians have no need to escape to Cyberspace.


We have to escape into cyberspace because Canada is so nice. You can take nice only for so long, after that you get the urge to buy an Uzi and take out a K-mart.
BC June 22, 2022 at 03:26 #710897
Reply to god must be atheist That is totally understandable.
BC June 22, 2022 at 03:47 #710906
Reply to universeness "The Night Chicago Died" is about a shoot-out between the Chicago Police and gangsters tied to Al Capone. It was inspired by the real-life Saint Valentine's Day Massacre,[2] although that involved Capone's men killing seven of Bugs Moran's gang members and had nothing to do with the police. No confrontation large enough to leave around one hundred police deaths ever happened. Al Capone was arrested in 1932 for income tax evasion." wikipedia

There is no "east side" in Chicago. What would be "the east side" is the central business district called "the loop" because the elevated mass transit train lines circle a large part of it. Immediately to the east of the central business district is Lake Michigan.

There is a Northside (Lincoln Park), the Southside (mostly black), and the Westside which has transitioned from Anglo to Mexican (to a large extent).
Banno June 22, 2022 at 06:57 #710999
Quoting unenlightened
Canada is so nice Canadians have no need to escape to Cyberspace.


The Canadians in Letterkenny don't seem to mind a Kerfuffle.
universeness June 22, 2022 at 07:39 #711013
Reply to Bitter Crank
Yeah, all theists should take note of the points you make. The song is very LOOSELY BASED on real-life events. In my opinion, however, I believe there is more historical accuracy in the song 'The Night Chicago Died,' than there is in any religious text I am familiar with, especially the bible.

Still, back to my school trip to the Delft factory, I certainly had images of prohibition, big scarface Al, speakeasy's etc and the sound of 'The Night Chicago Died,' playing as an accompaniment to the drama, as myself and the 7 other teachers tried to keep 50 teens separate from the alcohol the ferry staff seemed keen to provide them with. We were as unsuccessful as prohibition was, most of the pupils were drunk when we eventually got them all back to their cabins!
unenlightened June 22, 2022 at 08:07 #711027
Quoting Banno
Canadians in Letterkenny


I haven't watched it but it's highly suspicious that it pops up just as Neighbours is ending. Are you sure it's not just Ramsey Street does Allo Allo? Most Canadians are trees, and so good at standup but poor at sitcom.
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 09:41 #711033
Quoting god must be atheist
Jamal, this Electric Prunes song, "Holy Art Thou"... it's pretty good. Takes me back the early seventies. Is it a period song?


The song "Holy Are You" is from their 1968 album Release of an Oath and it was composed by the composer David Axelrod. Around that time, he was writing the music and coming up with the concepts for the band, making them less of a rock band in the traditional sense and more like Axelrod's performing musicians, at least at that time. That's all I know.
Hanover June 22, 2022 at 09:55 #711034
Quoting unenlightened
Canada is so nice Canadians have no need to escape to Cyberspace.


If you'll recall previous conversations here in the Shoutbox, we concluded there is no Canada. It's really just a word to describe where US highways end and the ice desert begins. Best we know, it's north of Tennessee.
Banno June 22, 2022 at 11:55 #711044
Reply to unenlightened Well, I never watched Neighbours, but I don't think Letterkenny is like Ramsey Street.
god must be atheist June 22, 2022 at 12:29 #711050
Quoting Banno
Letterkenny


Before Kovid, we'd been gathering in a bar to play cards every Sunday. I noticed a beer decoration on the wall -- you know, the gaudy, neon-lit brand brandishing -- and it was called... Killkenny.

This is where I think South Park got its idea that Kenny, the poor boy, got killed in every episode conceivable. Or in almost every one of them.

"They killed Kenny!"
god must be atheist June 22, 2022 at 12:36 #711052
Quoting Hanover
If you'll recall previous conversations here in the Shoutbox, we concluded there is no Canada. It's really just a word to describe where US highways end and the ice desert begins. Best we know, it's north of Tennessee.


This does not negate the niceness of Canada. A null set can be regarded as a void, hence, the denial of any attributes attached to it is absurd.

Canada is not ugly, not nasty.

Canada is not full of shitty things.

Canada is not full of angry madmen, and it is not poor.

etc.
Hanover June 22, 2022 at 12:39 #711053
Quoting god must be atheist
This does not negate the niceness of Canada. A null set can be regarded as a void, hence, the denial of any attributes attached to it is absurd.

Canada is not ugly, not nasty.

Canada is not full of shitty things.

Canada is not full of angry madmen, and it is not poor.


Sure, and the same can be said of Gibbernagook, a similarly mystical nowhere filled with nothing other than negations. Gibbernagook is overflowing with nothingness.
Hanover June 22, 2022 at 12:44 #711055
Quoting god must be atheist
This is where I think South Park got its idea that Kenny, the poor boy, got killed in every episode conceivable. Or in almost every one of them.


Speaking of South Park, you'll recall the Canadians are all portrayed with lower jaws that don't attach to the rest of their face. I suspect that is because no one actually ever saw one.

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unenlightened June 22, 2022 at 12:50 #711056
Reply to Banno Everything becomes like Neighbours by season 3.
Wosret June 22, 2022 at 14:55 #711101
Pretty true of my jaw, but I dunno about the rest of 'em. Fighting to the death is another of our traits. Mine at least.
god must be atheist June 22, 2022 at 16:32 #711128
Quoting Wosret
Fighting to the death is another of our traits


I prefer to fight and come out alive, but we, Canadians, are a diverse ethnic society.
Noble Dust June 22, 2022 at 16:34 #711129
Reply to god must be atheist

I reckon no one ever actually planned on fighting to the death, it just happens. Hindsight is 0/20.
god must be atheist June 22, 2022 at 16:35 #711131
Quoting Hanover
Canadians are all portrayed with lower jaws that don't attach to the rest of their face. I suspect that is because no one actually ever saw one.


If they never saw a Canadian, they would draw them as normal humans. Because why would one want to deviate from the norm when they draw humans? But then again, nobody ever saw a Unicorn, and they have a singular horn; nobody ever saw a UFO and they are all saucer-shaped; and nobody ever saw me do an honest day's work for and honest day's pay, and they figure I'm working at work (when I was working.)
Noble Dust June 22, 2022 at 16:38 #711132
Anyone else notate music? Dusting off the rust, and good lord this shit is an endless rabbit hole.
god must be atheist June 22, 2022 at 16:44 #711134
My post just got picked out of the crowd. I think the parser was programmed to pick those who are thought to brake a rule or something, due to some key words. I wonder if the post will ever see the daylight after a human (or after an Otter Box or whatever they call that test- yeah, the Turing test) laughs at the imperfection of their parser's capabilities.
Hanover June 22, 2022 at 16:44 #711135
Reply to Wosret How many times have you fought to the death?
Hanover June 22, 2022 at 16:51 #711137
The thing about Canadian Whiskey is that it's so inoffensive it's offensive, much like the nation itself.

With Scotch Whiskey and Tennessee Whiskey, it might get you in the mood for a fight. Seagrams just wants makes you want to apologize for speaking too loud.
Noble Dust June 22, 2022 at 17:07 #711142
Quoting Hanover
Seagrams just wants makes you want to apologize for speaking too loud.


And makes wants to you speak but it doesn't you
BC June 22, 2022 at 17:38 #711154
Reply to god must be atheist Reply to Hanover Minnesota is a lot like Canada, and it exists -- or so I believe, this being my province of existence. If one were, unbeknownst to oneself, relocated from the Longfellow neighborhood in Minneapolis to Winnipeg, it would probably be socially indistinguishable--just more Ukrainians, fewer Norwegians. Colder, definitely.
Wosret June 22, 2022 at 17:45 #711157
Reply to Hanover
Number of times... some kinds are worse than others though...

Reply to Noble Dust

What if the world were ending tomorrow, and you had the chance to participate in a freefall swordfight? What else you gonna do?
god must be atheist June 22, 2022 at 17:54 #711164
Quoting Hanover
Gibbernagook


If Gibbernagook did not exist, then how would people be able to speak and talk Gibberish? "I think, therefore I am", "I talk therefore language exists", "language can only exist within the framework of a society with culture" "Canadians are cultured individuals" "Death to guns, free medicare for everyone, and blonde women* all over the place in miniskirts".

* No offence meant to any ethnic group who hasn't discovered yet how to die one's hair blonde.

Hanover June 22, 2022 at 17:55 #711165
Reply to Noble Dust When I was in college, Crown Royal was considered to be the rich man's whiskey reserved for kings. That had to do with the crown on the bottle and the purple bag it came in. It was also really expensive. The real reason it was so well loved I believe is because it was so easy to drink. When you mixed it with Coke or 7-Up or any soft drink, you could barely taste it. The same wasn't true of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels.

As I've aged and matured, much like a fine bourbon, I realize that Canadian whiskey is not whiskey at all, but is instead the fermented cerebral spinal fluid tapped from Canadians as they apologized for having stored that fluid within them while all the while not having actually had a backbone.

And yes, that was an incredibly long way to make a joke about not having a backbone.
Noble Dust June 22, 2022 at 19:44 #711196
Quoting Wosret
What else you gonna do?


I could think of any number of things.

Reply to Hanover

I would have taken it more in the direction of the Lizard People sapping the Canadians spinal fluid to make Canadian whiskey, which was smuggled into the US during prohibition (true fact), in order to keep Americans sedated with endless booze, while draining Canadians of what gave them a backbone. Now Americans write songs about pick up trucks and beer and Canadians can't stop apologizing. Open up your mind to reality, dig it?
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 19:48 #711197
Quoting Hanover
With Scotch Whiskey and Tennessee Whiskey, it might get you in the mood for a fight. Seagrams just wants makes you want to apologize for speaking too loud.


There are smooth and inoffensive Scottish whiskies. An uncle of mine said here, try some of this Dalwhinnie, it's a good starter whisky. I said fuck you uncle, give me the hard stuff.

I can't speak for Tennessee whisk(e)y. I tried Jack Daniel's and did not like it. It tasted like rum to me, and I am quite averse to the pirate's libation. I could not understand why it was so popular in Britain, and put it down to American cultural imperialism.
Baden June 22, 2022 at 20:12 #711200
Quoting Jamal
I could not understand why it was so popular in Britain, and put it down to American cultural imperialism.


It makes Coca-Cola drinkable.
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 20:16 #711202
Reply to Baden I like Coca-Cola, especially with a scoop of ice cream floating on top. I have that every day just after breakfast.
Baden June 22, 2022 at 20:26 #711204
Reply to Jamal

You have failed the anti-capitalist purity test. I declare myself General Secretary in a bloodless coup (although we can kill @Hanover if you like).
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 20:27 #711205
Reply to Baden So long as I can get my daily coke float, I'm on board.
Baden June 22, 2022 at 20:29 #711206
Reply to Jamal

Deal. :party:
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 20:35 #711210
Reply to Baden Cool. Note that at TPF, General Secretary is outranked by Supreme Leader. The former organizes the catering, that sort of thing.
Manuel June 22, 2022 at 20:42 #711213
Coke float is OK. Root beer float, better! It is a fine American invention, that no one should deny, because it's a fact.

Unless you dislike life's pleasures. And I'd call you, incorrectly, a philistine, because it feels nice to say that word.
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 20:57 #711215
Reply to Manuel I had root beer at A&W once, so I'm quite culturally sophisticated.
Manuel June 22, 2022 at 21:02 #711219
Reply to Jamal

Ah. Ok. Good. You pass the culture test.

Phew.
Baden June 22, 2022 at 21:12 #711221
Quoting Jamal
Note that at TPF, General Secretary is outranked by Supreme Leader. The former organizes the catering, that sort of thing.


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Jamal June 22, 2022 at 21:16 #711222
Baden June 22, 2022 at 21:18 #711223
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 21:30 #711228
Baden June 22, 2022 at 21:32 #711229
Baden June 22, 2022 at 21:34 #711231
Thought I had you cornered with Fidel and you pull a Joe Biden. :starstruck:
Jamal June 22, 2022 at 21:38 #711232
Reply to Baden He's my trump card.
Baden June 22, 2022 at 21:44 #711235
Reply to Jamal

The man knows how to ice cream, alright. :strong:

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Jamal June 22, 2022 at 21:48 #711237
Reply to Baden You win.
Baden June 22, 2022 at 21:59 #711241
Hanover June 23, 2022 at 00:00 #711261
Quoting Jamal
There are smooth and inoffensive Scottish whiskies. An uncle of mine said here, try some of this Dalwhinnie, it's a good starter whisky. I said fuck you uncle, give me the hard stuff.


Funny, I just got through telling your uncle to fuck off as well. Long story for another day. We hugged it out, so we're good now.

I dated this Persian girl whose favorite drink was Laphroaig. It was smokey goodness. I'm referring to the whisky, not anything about her.
Hanover June 23, 2022 at 00:05 #711264
Now isn't this a fun marketing idea:
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/tasteless-but-true-made-in-india-hitler-ice-cream-cafe/story-C6usCqTUqv4zAeU30b0GVM.html
Noble Dust June 23, 2022 at 02:04 #711336
Where'd @Clarky run off to by the way? Did he get mad again?
god must be atheist June 23, 2022 at 02:34 #711345
Quoting Hanover
I dated this Persian girl whose favorite drink was Laphroaig.


I dated an Iranian all-female old-timers' goofball team. Their drink of choice on the road was Elmer's School Glue. It helped the team to gain and maintain a certain kind of adherence and cohesion.
god must be atheist June 23, 2022 at 02:37 #711347
Quoting Noble Dust
And makes wants to you speak but it doesn't you


Decidedly.
god must be atheist June 23, 2022 at 02:46 #711353
Quoting Hanover
And yes, that was an incredibly long way to make a joke about not having a backbone.


Yes, opposed to Americans, we wear the backbone on the front near the area which the Visigoths thought was called the "Loin". It's another mispronunciation of our beautiful English, originally named after the lion, the fierce and implacable king of the Animal Kingdom. This is only true, of course, for dom kings of nations. The Queens are a different category altogether, and so are the serfs, who are invariably submissive. The watery areas are ruled by the mighty Mudshark et al.
BC June 23, 2022 at 19:51 #711686
Reply to god must be atheist Wasn't Sir Loin one of the knights of the roundtable?
Heracloitus June 23, 2022 at 20:02 #711687
Reply to Bitter Crank Knights of the rotund table
Heracloitus June 23, 2022 at 20:51 #711694
The SEP has been down for at least 24 hours due to a power outage. It can be accessed by a mirror site in the Netherlands here

https://seop.illc.uva.nl/
Banno June 23, 2022 at 22:59 #711718
Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy seems to have been unavailable for a few hours.

https://plato.stanford.edu/index.html

Can anyone else access it?
Heracloitus June 24, 2022 at 00:10 #711725
Reply to Banno Look one post above
Banno June 24, 2022 at 00:13 #711726
Tom Storm June 24, 2022 at 00:23 #711729
Quoting Hanover
Now isn't this a fun marketing idea:


Fuck!
Hanover June 24, 2022 at 01:54 #711738
The Republican candidate for the Georgia Senate.
https://soundcloud.com/user-87747964/walker_51_states/s-6KCEnlmXvhd?utm_source=mobi&utm_campaign=social_sharing&utm_terms=mobi_google_one_tap.treatment
Michael June 24, 2022 at 09:00 #711864
Reply to Hanover The title doesn't match what he said.

Herschel Walker Said There Are 51 States

"If it’s the worst state, why are you here? Why don’t you leave ? go to another? There’s, what, 51 more other states that you can go to?"

He's saying there are 52 states.
Tate June 24, 2022 at 12:15 #711900
We could have 52 states. Puerto Rico wants to be one. We could add Ukraine.
Hanover June 24, 2022 at 15:31 #711924
France outlaws burkini swimwear but approves women to go topless.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-rules-against-burkini-swimwear-192341336.html

Not sure I understand French law or culture very well.
Hanover June 24, 2022 at 15:37 #711925
Quoting Michael
He's saying there are 52 states.


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Yep, counted it up, and there are 52.
Michael June 24, 2022 at 15:41 #711926
Quoting Hanover
Not sure I understand French law or culture very well.


It's simple. Naked woman = good, clothed woman = bad.
Hanover June 24, 2022 at 18:05 #711947
Early chewing gum was a shit product it turns out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blibber-Blubber
god must be atheist June 25, 2022 at 01:43 #712028
Quoting Hanover
France outlaws burkini swimwear but approves women to go topless


Canada legalized toplessness for females in public space some 50 years ago or so.

I have been looking, and believe me, I've been looking, and saw not one topless female yet. Summer or winter.

Culture is mightier than the law.
Noble Dust June 25, 2022 at 02:06 #712035
Reply to Hanover

"It also required vigorous rubbing with a solvent to remove from the face after the bubble had burst."

Now that's a story prompt if I've ever heard one.
Metaphysician Undercover June 25, 2022 at 11:15 #712110
Quoting god must be atheist
Canada legalized toplessness for females in public space some 50 years ago or so.

I have been looking, and believe me, I've been looking, and saw not one topless female yet. Summer or winter.


I guess you missed all those Tragically Hip tours. Try downtown Ottawa on the evening of July 1, you shouldn't be disappointed.
Heracloitus June 25, 2022 at 14:37 #712162
Quoting god must be atheist
I have been looking, and believe me, I've been looking, and saw not one topless female yet. Summer or winter


Well I have seen plenty of tanned titties on display in France this summer. So it's a surprise to me that it wasn't legal before.

Edit: Apparently toplessness has been legal since 1994 in La France.
jorndoe June 25, 2022 at 21:29 #712277
:D

[tweet]https://twitter.com/robrousseau/status/1455181672559874051[/tweet]

god must be atheist June 26, 2022 at 01:27 #712387
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Try downtown Ottawa on the evening of July 1, you shouldn't be disappointed.

Thanks for the top tip!

god must be atheist June 26, 2022 at 01:31 #712389
Reply to emancipate This was the theme of a French comedy movie released back in the sixties. The adventures of a hapless police sergeant on the Cote d'Azure as he fought a losing war against topless sun- and sea-bathers, trying to implement and defend the letter of the law.

Forgot the name of the movie. My father almost peed himself, he laughed so hard when we saw it in the cinema.
Heracloitus June 26, 2022 at 06:27 #712453
Reply to god must be atheist Could be Louis de Funès le gendarme de Saint Tropez.
god must be atheist June 26, 2022 at 09:37 #712489
Reply to emancipate Right on!! Thanks!

A preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jh-OmdUCE8
T Clark June 26, 2022 at 14:28 #712556
Quoting god must be atheist
A preview:


I remember that. Ingmar Bergman made it right after "Seventh Seal." Music by Leonard Bernstein.
god must be atheist June 26, 2022 at 17:17 #712655
Reply to T Clark With Sammy Davis Jr. and Denzell Washington in lead roles.
jorndoe June 27, 2022 at 01:43 #712812
Do we have any bio/neurology experts around?
I'm wondering what people make of this stuff:

Efficient dendritic learning as an alternative to synaptic plasticity hypothesis (Apr 28, 2022)

The century-old picture of a nerve spike is wrong: filaments fire, before membrane (May 10, 2022)

Consequences for connectomics modeling?
Maybe wider biology?
(But no woo please.)

universeness June 27, 2022 at 17:29 #713085
I thought I might copy and paste this email I received from a UK group who are fighting for a basic income for all. I just thought some on TPF might be interested. I didn't think it was worth its own thread at this point and I don't intend to post anything else from this group.

[b]It’s been a busy few months, so we thought we’d take some time to run through what we and the basic income movement have done already this year.
Our work is paying off. This summer, for the first time ever, people in the UK will receive a basic income.
We’re, of course, talking about the Welsh basic income pilot. At the end of this month, the applications will open and the trial will begin. If you want to refresh your memory on the details of the pilot, here's the blog about it.:
https://basicincomeconversation.medium.com/details-of-the-welsh-basic-income-pilot-announced-c8cd8b37064d
It cannot be overstated how significant this is for the movement. We are humbled to have had our work be part of it in the Future Generations Commissioner's report published with Autonomy.[/b]
Baden June 27, 2022 at 22:30 #713130
BC June 28, 2022 at 16:35 #713428
Damned if I know why this shows up in my email, or whether it is serious or an exceeding bad joke. Just what we need more of -- not only machine guns but DISCOUNTED machine guns. The state of Texas should be put on a maintenance dose of Thorazine,

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jorndoe June 28, 2022 at 16:49 #713434
:D

Bizarre and Trivial Analytic Metaphysics… and Clenched Fists
Paul Austin Murphy on Craig Callender (Jun 27, 2022)

Quoting Philosophy of Science and Metaphysics (2011) by Craig Callender
... simultaneously convinced that many debates in analytic metaphysics are sterile or even empty while also believing that metaphysics is deeply infused ...


"Is a clenched fist a new object?"

"Is a piece of paper with writing by one author on one side, and writing by another author on the other, two letters or one?"

Definitions, verbal, semantics, ontological, conceptual, intuition, non/naturalistic, mereology, positivist'ish, experience, empirical, ..., difference that makes no difference.

Metaphysics — sometimes it just vanishes off to ...

T Clark June 30, 2022 at 03:39 #713966
Sorry, but it's been a full day since anyone posted to the Shoutbox. That forces me to post a picture of my son's new dog.

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BC June 30, 2022 at 04:30 #713981
Reply to T Clark Thank you for ending the silence. Very fetching dog.
Jamal June 30, 2022 at 04:43 #713983
Reply to T Clark That sheep is smiling, blissfully unaware that it could be torn to pieces in a matter of minutes.
T Clark June 30, 2022 at 05:23 #713989
Quoting Jamal
?T Clark That sheep is smiling, blissfully unaware that it could be torn to pieces in a matter of minutes.


I think it’s more at risk of being slobbered to death.
Noble Dust June 30, 2022 at 06:02 #713993
Reply to T Clark

I'm not a dog person, but that's a cool pup. Also whenever I hear the terms "dog person" or "cat person" I imagine a person with a dog or cat's head.
Hanover June 30, 2022 at 12:23 #714051
Quoting T Clark
Sorry, but it's been a full day since anyone posted to the Shoutbox. That forces me to post a picture of my son's new dog.


I'd name that dog Snowball. Maybe SnowballRob would be better.
Tobias June 30, 2022 at 12:37 #714053
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm not a dog person, but that's a cool pup. Also whenever I hear the terms "dog person" or "cat person" I imagine a person with a dog or cat's head.


I have a cat's head.
T Clark June 30, 2022 at 14:31 #714065
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm not a dog person, but that's a cool pup. Also whenever I hear the terms "dog person" or "cat person" I imagine a person with a dog or cat's head.


I'm not a pet person at all, so my kids never had dogs. Now two of them do. The other has a pig.
T Clark June 30, 2022 at 14:33 #714066
Quoting Hanover
I'd name that dog Snowball. Maybe SnowballRob would be better.


The dog's already been named. My son's girlfriend is from Virginia, so it's GritsRob.
T Clark June 30, 2022 at 14:34 #714067
Quoting Tobias
I have a cat's head.


We all just assumed that you did.
javi2541997 June 30, 2022 at 15:20 #714088
We reached the half of the 2022 this week.
T Clark June 30, 2022 at 15:27 #714091
Quoting javi2541997
We reached the half of the 2022 this week.


Yes. I wasn't paying attention and the solstice slipped by me.
Hanover June 30, 2022 at 15:40 #714094
Quoting T Clark
I'm not a pet person at all, so my kids never had dogs. Now two of them do. The other has a pig.


I have 3 dogs, a cat, 8 chickens, 4 goats, 2 kids, and a wife. I don't call any of them pigs, but to each his own.
Tobias June 30, 2022 at 17:13 #714133
Quoting T Clark
We all just assumed that you did.


There I was thinking I revealed a novelty... :yikes:
Tobias June 30, 2022 at 17:14 #714134
Quoting Hanover
I have 3 dogs, a cat, 8 chickens, 4 goats, 2 kids, and a wife. I don't call any of them pigs, but to each his own.


Where is the lizard?
Tate June 30, 2022 at 18:38 #714168
How do you block a user?
Tate June 30, 2022 at 19:25 #714179
Michael July 01, 2022 at 08:25 #714411
Reply to Tate

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/5738/ignore-list-browser-extension/p1
Hanover July 01, 2022 at 13:18 #714446
Today being Canada Day, I've been saying a-boat instead of about. I'll go back to normal tomorrow.
T Clark July 01, 2022 at 15:22 #714460
Quoting Hanover
Today being Canada Day, I've been saying a-boat instead of about. I'll go back to normal tomorrow.


I thought it was a-boot. Maybe that's a regional dialect. In order to be consistent, you should spell color "colour" too.
Hanover July 01, 2022 at 15:33 #714463
Reply to T Clark With my regional accent, I say ay-bow-ut and it takes me like 15 minutes to say it.
T Clark July 01, 2022 at 15:39 #714465
Here's a link to my favorite @Streetlight thread. I go back and reread it from time to time.

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/2235/networks-evolution-and-the-question-of-life/p1
Hanover July 01, 2022 at 15:52 #714469
Quoting Hanover
With my regional accent, I say ay-bow-ut and it takes me like 15 minutes to say it.


I just finished saying "about."
BC July 01, 2022 at 16:46 #714491
Reply to T Clark A busy Canadian is "oot and aboot", unless he is quebecois, in which case he is dehors et environ (which means unhorsed and lost in the swamp).
T Clark July 01, 2022 at 16:57 #714492
Quoting Bitter Crank
A busy Canadian is "oot and aboot", unless he is quebecois, in which case he is dehors et environ (which means unhorsed and lost in the swamp).


You should know, being from southern Canadia and all.
BC July 01, 2022 at 17:45 #714511
Reply to T Clark Where does Canada’s accent come from? or stop being such a diphthong

According to Boberg, people casually trying to identify a Canadian accent should focus two sounds. Canadians do something called ‘Canadian Raising’, meaning that they pronounce some two-part vowels (known as dipthongs) with a higher part of their mouths than people from other English-speaking regions – this is what causes the ‘ou’ sounds in words like ‘out’ and ‘about’ to be pronounced something like ‘oot’ and ‘aboot’.

The sound makes Americans’ skin crawl – Charles Boberg

The most telltale sound, according to Boberg, is Canadians’ tendency to use the ‘æ’ sound in words like ‘mantra’ and ‘pasta’, unlike the lower (more ‘oh’-sounding) pronunciation favored by Americans. If someone says that, Boberg explains, it is almost impossible that they come from anywhere except Canada. The sound, he adds, “makes Americans’ skin crawl”.


T Clark July 02, 2022 at 17:03 #714825
Again - a day without a post to the Shoutbox. Again - a picture of my son's new dog. I can keep this up forever.

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Moliere July 02, 2022 at 17:07 #714828
Reply to T Clark Honestly, that dog is so cute, I'm not opposed to a dog-a-day photo even *with* replies :)
BC July 02, 2022 at 17:44 #714837
Reply to T Clark That's a different dog bed than it was in yesterday, How many dog beds does the dog have?

Nice floor.

Quoting Moliere
that dog is so cute


Puppies are irresistibly cute, until they get to the obsessive chewing phase. Our puppy chewed up a new shoe and made a big hole in the sleeve of a Harris tweed jacket. Loved her anyway.
BC July 02, 2022 at 17:56 #714841
Reply to Moliere Reply to T Clark Quoting Bitter Crank
Puppies are irresistibly cute


With one exception. From the novel, Small Miracles:

Olivia Atwater:You needn't feel bad for the chihuahua. Just as God created the platypus out of spare parts, Lucifer created the original chihuahua out of spare spite. There may be many greater evils in the world, but one would be hard-pressed to find a more concentrated form of evil than the average chihuahua,
Moliere July 02, 2022 at 18:42 #714881
Reply to Bitter Crank Heh. At one point I would have agreed...

But I have lived with a chihuahua before, and he really was the bestest pupper ever.
Jamal July 02, 2022 at 19:14 #714895
I lived with a chihuahua for a while. She was called Tequila and alone among all creatures human and otherwise, she loved my hairy feet and massive big toes, so much that she would lick them for hours.

She had a brother chihuahua called Kenzo, who lived next door. He bit a friend of mine but I liked him. He had spirit and energy, and an impressive penis for such a small dog. He oozed masculinity, and seemed unfazed by the fact that he was very small and ugly.

All in all quite an interesting breed, which goes back to ninth century Mexico.
Moliere July 02, 2022 at 20:11 #714915
Reply to Jamal Chuy was the name of my chihuahua friend, so I'd call him the messiah. lol.

At first he played the part of being a yappy brat.

But after getting to know me and I him, he'd be the sweetest little nap buddy.

He'd yap when he got scared but i'd just tap my belly and he'd hop over and cuddle.

Ahhhh... good memories.
praxis July 02, 2022 at 20:13 #714916
Metaphysician Undercover July 02, 2022 at 23:44 #714956
Reply to T Clark
What about that floor? Is that real red oak? How wide are those planks?
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 02:06 #714989
Quoting Bitter Crank
That's a different dog bed than it was in yesterday, How many dog beds does the dog have?


I think the first was a dog bed in the car coming back from Virginia.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 02:09 #714990
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
What about that floor? Is that real red oak? How wide are those planks?


Oak flooring typically comes in 2.5 inch tongue and groove widths. These days, wood flooring is often made from 1/4 inch wood veneers over particle board. I don't know which that is.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 05:03 #715018
Quoting Noble Dust
Bratwurst, pasta salad and baked beans for dinner. 'Murica!


Is it the baked beans that make this dish distinctively American, or are you saying that this combination of disparate ingredients from different countries is a distinctively American thing? Did you cook it all in a melting pot?

For dinner I had (this was hours ago (I’ve just had breakfast (boiled eggs))) a new favourite of mine to cook at home. Pasta in a blue cheese sauce. It’s based on pasta al gorgonzola but gorgonzola, though it’s the best for this, is not always quickly available.

For the sauce: milk, butter, freshly ground black pepper, blue cheese, parmesan or whatever other cheese you have, pasta water, spinach (this is my addition and is non-traditional)
For the pasta: pasta, particularly a short one like penne.

It’s extremely easy, takes only as long as the pasta takes to cook, and it’s extremely delicious.
Noble Dust July 03, 2022 at 05:16 #715020
Quoting Jamal
Is it the baked beans that make this dish distinctively American, or are you saying that this combination of disparate ingredients from different countries is a distinctively American thing? Did you cook it all in a melting pot?


The combo. Classic summer picnic food where I grew up. In the pasta salad I put rotini (a type I don't normally use, but it's good for this application), multi-colored cherry tomatoes, green bell pepper, shallot, parsley, pepperoncini, canned black olives, cubed colby jack cheese, and sliced up pepperoni. Newman's Own Zesty Italian dressing. Classic.

Quoting Jamal
For the sauce


I'm still scared of emulsifying sauces, although the only time I've been successful was with pasta water but no dairy. I'm not even sure if that counts.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 05:32 #715024
Quoting Noble Dust
Classic summer picnic food where I grew up


Picnics where I grew up:

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Noble Dust July 03, 2022 at 06:56 #715033
Reply to Jamal

It looks a bit gloomy.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 08:11 #715039
Reply to Noble Dust Yes, the word we use is dreich.
unenlightened July 03, 2022 at 09:52 #715056
Socialism meets psychotherapy. All your favourite boogiemen in one convenient package.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 11:46 #715079
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This is Pretzel and Peanut, since we were speaking of chihuahuas.
Matias66 July 03, 2022 at 13:58 #715093
I am new to the forum and whenever I try to make some comment to an interesting topic I realize that the debate in this very threat has already degenerated into pointless bickering about some details... Why is that so?
praxis July 03, 2022 at 14:10 #715096
Reply to Matias66

Define “details”.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 14:53 #715104
Quoting Jamal
(I’ve just had breakfast (boiled eggs)


Soft boiled? These days that's my favorite kind of egg. I'm eating it at least once a week for dinner with crunchy bread or toast. I've been thinking of trying them on linguini. It seems like that would work as long as the yolks are soft enough.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 14:55 #715106
Quoting Jamal
Picnics where I grew up:


Sorry, that's not a picnic. That's dining al fresco. For picnics you sit on the ground.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 14:59 #715107
Quoting Matias66
I am new to the forum and whenever I try to make some comment to an interesting topic I realize that the debate in this very threat has already degenerated into pointless bickering about some details... Why is that so?


This is the Shoutbox, where we shout and box. You can talk about anything (except Jonny Depp and Amber Heard). It's more freewheeling than normal threads. At least more than normal threads are supposed to be. So, yes, we like to duke it out sometimes. But note the pictures of cute dogs. Also note that mine is cuter than @Hanover's.

Oh, yes, this thread is especially appropriate for insulting Hanover.
praxis July 03, 2022 at 15:06 #715108
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If I were to have named my dog after a food item like Hanover I would have called him something like Caramel-mocha-latte-whippy. Fortunately, I just call him Red. It's only one syllable and far less of a mouthful.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 15:13 #715110
Reply to T Clark Soft boiled aye.

I'd use a shorter pasta, but I say go for it.

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Hanover July 03, 2022 at 15:13 #715111
My son found this dog, and now it's his, but he says his girlfriend's mom often keeps it, which means I've been spared inherenting another animal.

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T Clark July 03, 2022 at 15:16 #715112
Quoting praxis
I just call him Red. It's only one syllable and far less of a mouthful.


And more dignified for the dog.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 15:17 #715113
Reply to Jamal What was the word you used to describe what you did to your soft eggs?
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 15:20 #715115
Reply to praxis Your dog's face looks like it's been blurred out to protect his identity.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 15:27 #715116
Quoting Jamal
Soft boiled aye.


I've always hated boiling eggs. I get very uneven results. Then I heard of this method. Works perfectly every time.

  • Preheat the eggs in hot water from the tap.
  • Heat 1/2 inch of water in a pot till it boils vigorously.
  • Put the eggs in the pot for 6.5 minutes.
  • Take the eggs out and put them in cool water briefly before eating.


I liked soft boiled eggs when I was a kid, but I hadn't eaten them in a long time till I want to Europe with my brother back in 2014. We went to the Netherlands, Belgium, France, and Germany. Everywhere we went the breakfast that came with our room consisted of good bread and pastry, good coffee, charcuterie (or as my step-mother says, cold cuts), and soft-boiled eggs.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 15:40 #715118
Reply to Hanover I think it involved sausages and some plunging.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 15:49 #715119
Quoting T Clark
I've always hated boiling eggs. I get very uneven results. Then I heard of this method. Works perfectly every time.

Preheat the eggs in hot water from the tap.
Heat 1/2 inch of water in a pot till it boils vigorously.
Put the eggs in the pot for 6.5 minutes.
Take the eggs out and put them in cool water briefly before eating.


Seems a bit complicated. I put the eggs in cold water, bring it up to boiling and turn the heat off, then leave them with a lid on for 8 or 9 minutes, can't remember which. Then plunge them into cold water and serve.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 15:51 #715120
Egg steamer is the quickest easiest way, and we go through about two dozen eggs a week.

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Jamal July 03, 2022 at 15:52 #715122
Reply to Hanover I didn't know such devices existed.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 15:53 #715123
Quoting Jamal
Seems a bit complicated. I put the eggs in cold water, bring it up to boiling and turn the heat off, then leave them with a lid on for 8 or 9 minutes, can't remember which. Then plunge them into cold water and serve.


What I always hated about that method was having to watch the pot to see when it starts boiling. I am not a patient person. Perhaps you've noticed that.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 15:55 #715125
Quoting Hanover
Egg steamer is the quickest easiest way, and we go through about two dozen eggs a week.


I thought about that, but I don't eat them often enough to want another piece of equipment on the kitchen counter. Perhaps if I had an egg manufactory in the back yard I would get one.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 15:55 #715126
Reply to Jamal I learned of this marvel while wandering the halls of Target, purveyor of all things home and kitchen.

You can find them on Amazon. They're under $20.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 15:56 #715127
Reply to T Clark impatience and irascibility go together. It's all part of the Clarky package.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 15:57 #715129
Quoting Jamal
?T Clark impatience and irascibility go together. It's all part of the Clarky package.


Aw, shucks. You're making me blush.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 15:58 #715131
Quoting T Clark
thought about that, but I don't eat them often enough to want another piece of equipment on the kitchen counter. Perhaps if I had an egg manufactory in the back yard I would get one.


Funny you should say that. I have a weird obsession of keeping the counter clear of all gadgetry, but keep everything on a pantry shelf. Maybe it's compensating for the cluttered kitchen counters of my youth.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 16:00 #715132
Quoting Hanover
You can find them on Amazon.


@Jamal is a Russki. Didn't Amazon shut Russia down? Perhaps Ali Baba.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 16:01 #715134
Quoting Hanover
You can find them on Amazon. They're under $20


Just found one on ozon.ru for ?1400, about £20.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 16:01 #715135
Quoting Hanover
Funny you should say that. I have a weird obsession of keeping the counter clear of all gadgetry, but keep everything on a pantry shelf. Maybe it's compensating for the cluttered kitchen counters of my youth.


We've lived here for 43 years, so we have many more gadgets than we need.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 16:04 #715136
@Jamal

I've been meaning to ask you. Have sanctions had any effect on everyday life there? Other than not being able to get egg steamers on Amazon.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 16:05 #715137
Quoting T Clark
We've lived here for 43 years, so we have many more gadgets than we need.


I moved a couple of years ago and threw out tons of junk, saving my kids from having to go through my stuff one day when I died. I regret saving them from that painful event. It was a payback I had saved up from the diaper changing thing they put me through.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 16:08 #715139
Quoting Jamal
Just found one on ozon.ru for ?1400, about £20.


The Russian model weighs 800 pounds and it takes 4 hours per egg though.
Tate July 03, 2022 at 16:09 #715140
Quoting Hanover
Egg steamer is the quickest easiest way, and we go through about two dozen eggs a week.


Pasture raised eggs are better for you than the regular kind.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 16:16 #715142
Quoting T Clark
I've been meaning to ask you. Have sanctions had any effect on everyday life there? Other than not being able to get egg steamers on Amazon.


Everyday life for me has been affected, because I can't use my UK bank card and if I want to travel to the UK or the EU I have to go via Serbia or Turkey (or Armenia, Dubai, or other far away places).

Everyday life for Russians has been affected too, but it varies. Many people who were working for Western companies or in industries that depend on imports lost their jobs. And prices for most things have gone up.

Many Russians just think it's going to be good for the Russian economy, just like with the EU cheese embargo, which has given a boost to local cheesemongers. By their own admission, they still haven't managed to replicate parmesan. You can see my priorities here.
Jamal July 03, 2022 at 16:17 #715143
Quoting Hanover
The Russian model weighs 800 pounds and it takes 4 hours per egg though.


Built to last though
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 16:19 #715144
Reply to Tate That's all I eat. I've got a bunch of chickens.
T Clark July 03, 2022 at 16:52 #715145
Quoting Jamal
Built to last though


And runs on diesel.
praxis July 03, 2022 at 17:23 #715149
Quoting Tate
Pasture raised eggs are better for you than the regular kind.


You eat what your chicken eats, as the saying goes, and industrial chickens eat GMO corn and soybeans and are also given antibiotics because they're fed those fattening/inflammatory feeds. :death:
Tate July 03, 2022 at 20:16 #715174
Reply to praxis That makes sense. They have less cholesterol, so I eat them for that reason.
Wosret July 03, 2022 at 22:26 #715212
This is my Dog. User image

His name is not Fluffy.
skyblack July 03, 2022 at 22:55 #715221
Down Fluffy!
Wosret July 03, 2022 at 23:16 #715222
Reply to skyblack

It's not Fluffy.
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 23:37 #715224
Reply to Wosret I like the name not Fulffy. Down not Fluffy!
Hanover July 03, 2022 at 23:39 #715225
Reply to Wosret To anticipate the next posts. If you say his name is not not Fluffy, I'm going to say that means his name is Fluffy and then ask why you said his name was not Fluffy.
Wosret July 03, 2022 at 23:45 #715228
Reply to Hanover

No, his name is not Fluffy. Cause he ain't Fluffy.
Wosret July 03, 2022 at 23:46 #715229
He also had a few other aliases about being Fluff impoverished.
T Clark July 04, 2022 at 00:07 #715238
Quoting Wosret
He also had a few other aliases about being Fluff impoverished.


Some ideas:

  • The Non-Fluffinator
  • Anti-fluffitron
  • Bizzarro Fluffy
  • Donald Trump Jr.
Wosret July 04, 2022 at 00:08 #715241
Reply to T Clark

He has a lot of them, he says he's owning it, but I dunno.
jorndoe July 04, 2022 at 06:26 #715320
:)

Scott Brizel (Jul 1, 2022):I believe we are living in a stage of cultural evolution that may be called "The Gaslightenment".

unenlightened July 04, 2022 at 07:36 #715337
Down is fluffy.
Wosret July 04, 2022 at 07:45 #715339
He's had a hard time over the past year or so...
Moliere July 04, 2022 at 17:11 #715468
Reply to Hanover The one on the right reminds me of Chuy. Muscular and curious.
Banno July 05, 2022 at 00:54 #715603
@Jamal has kindly put me in touch with @Streetlight. Happy to pass on any goodbyes.

In the mean while, those who frequented a bar in Amsterdam somewhere during the last interregnum might like to renew their acquaintances there, or perhaps invite a friend. Having an alternative place of contact is sometimes of use.
Tate July 05, 2022 at 01:09 #715608
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Hanover July 05, 2022 at 01:35 #715620
Seems there's a fireworks contest outside. Hope they run out of ammo before it gets late.
Banno July 05, 2022 at 02:46 #715645
An Airbus 380 is on its way across the Atlantic. It flies consistently at 800 km/h at 30,000 feet, when suddenly a Eurofighter with a Tempo Mach 2 appears.
The pilot of the fighter jet slows down, flies alongside the Airbus and greets the pilot of the passenger plane by radio: "Airbus, boring flight isn’t it? Now have a look here!"
He rolls his jet on its back, accelerates, breaks through the sound barrier, rises rapidly to a dizzying height, and then swoops down almost to sea level in a breathtaking dive. He loops back next to the Airbus and asks, "Well, how was that?"
The Airbus pilot answers: "Very impressive, but watch this!"
The jet pilot watches the Airbus, but nothing happens. It continues to fly straight, at the same speed. After 15 minutes, the Airbus pilot radios, "Well, how was that?
Confused, the jet pilot asks, "What did you do?"
The AirBus pilot laughs and says, "I got up, stretched my legs, walked to the back of the aircraft to use the washroom, then got a cup of coffee and a chocolate fudge pastry.


Amusing.
Noble Dust July 05, 2022 at 03:49 #715661
Reply to Hanover

My ear was fucked up for two weeks (long story, audio engineer background blah blah blah), and it was finally good to go as of basically yesterday. Then tonight I go to a party and the neighbors are literally letting off actual fireworks. I should just accept that I'm now deaf. This is Brooklyn NYC btw.
Baden July 05, 2022 at 17:36 #715823
We celebrating Boris Johnson's political demise then? :party:
Michael July 05, 2022 at 17:38 #715824
Reply to Baden Holy shit, Sunak and Javid gone?!
Baden July 05, 2022 at 17:38 #715825
Reply to Michael

He's toast.
Michael July 05, 2022 at 17:45 #715826
Reply to Baden Doubtful. It’ll be the usual blather and refusal to resign.
Baden July 05, 2022 at 17:49 #715827
Reply to Michael

I expect the 1922 committee will change the rules to allow a new confidence vote or threaten to do so. I don't expect him to go gracefully; though if his options are limited he might.
god must be atheist July 06, 2022 at 06:52 #715990
The AirBus pilot laughs and says, "I got up, stretched my legs, walked to the back of the aircraft to use the washroom, then got a cup of coffee and a chocolate fudge pastry.


What about the Flight Attendant with the cup of coffee. (I hope you know the reference to a scene from a movie which I never saw or know the title of, but it's one of the most hilarious scenes in any flight movies, other 'n Airplane.)
god must be atheist July 06, 2022 at 06:53 #715991
Quoting Hanover
Seems there's a fireworks contest outside. Hope they run out of ammo before it gets late.


"It is the right of every citizen to bear fireworks up his sleeve on his bare arms."
unenlightened July 06, 2022 at 09:47 #716057
The rats are leaving the sinking prime minister. Suddenly, it's Boris no mates. But it always was Boris no mates; he was only ever the plausible front for a cabal of catastrophe investors who have made their money out of Brexit and are now more interested in profiteering from Ukraine. Which rat will be promoted to king-rat is going to be a fascinating watch. If I was chief Machiavelli, I would be looking for a clean pair of hands, and Jeremy Hunt is the nearest thing -
Michael July 06, 2022 at 10:03 #716062
Quoting Baden
I expect the 1922 committee will change the rules to allow a new confidence vote or threaten to do so. I don't expect him to go gracefully; though if his options are limited he might.


Possibly: [tweet]https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/1544617641142370304[/tweet]
Baden July 06, 2022 at 10:14 #716067
Reply to Michael

Even the Tories have their limits.
Michael July 06, 2022 at 10:16 #716068
Quoting Baden
Even the Tories have their limits.


Yes, but those limits are this:[tweet]https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1544617010683908097[/tweet]
universeness July 06, 2022 at 10:37 #716078
I wonder if Boris will be invited back to 'have I got news for you,' once he is turfed out?
Perhaps he could tell fairy stories for children's television, he is very good at making shit up after all.
He could become an evanhellical, they make lots of money and you get to speak in unintelligible 'tongues' which I think every tory politician is born fluent in.
javi2541997 July 06, 2022 at 13:01 #716109
When an exceptional writer recognises the master. Beautiful picture.

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Michael July 06, 2022 at 16:59 #716163
@Baden

Zahawi among cabinet ministers about to tell PM to resign

A group of cabinet ministers, including the chief whip, are about to tell the PM to resign, BBC News understands

Nadhim Zahawi, only yesterday appointed as chancellor, is believed to be among them - as are Transport Secretary Grant Shapps and NI Secretary Brandon Lewis


:rofl:

Firing your boss just after he promotes you. Love it.
Baden July 06, 2022 at 17:45 #716184
Reply to Michael

I know, brilliant. :party:
Hanover July 06, 2022 at 18:04 #716190
You guys are throwing around a bunch of names in this British drama like I'm supposed to know what or who you're talking about.

Can someone summarize what's going on in the UK in less than 10 words so that I'll be informed and able to offer my opinion on it?
fdrake July 06, 2022 at 18:42 #716202
Quoting Hanover
Can someone summarize what's going on in the UK in less than 10 words so that I'll be informed and able to offer my opinion on it?


Half of the Democratic Party just resigned and wanted Biden to. It has been conjectured that Biden won't step down and will instead dissolve government, trying to win a sudden election with a party of fanatically loyal minor government officials hand picked for loyalty to him. However that party might not exist.
universeness July 06, 2022 at 19:18 #716212
Wow! Even the most evil-looking tory ever, Priti Patel has turned against her master.
Bye Bye BO JO!!
Michael July 06, 2022 at 19:23 #716213
Reply to fdrake That's more than 9 words.
Tom Storm July 06, 2022 at 19:34 #716216
Quoting Hanover
in less than 10 words


Chickens coming home to roost on lying cunt Boris.
Benkei July 06, 2022 at 19:34 #716217
Reply to Michael @Baden I heard an MP describe bojo as the black Knight from monty python's Holy grail. :rofl:
Benkei July 06, 2022 at 19:38 #716218
Btw, everyone, there are ten talented writers who've written short stories and you can vote and comment on them!

https://thephilosophyforum.com/categories/41/short-story-competition-3
god must be atheist July 06, 2022 at 19:56 #716230
Quoting Benkei
there are ten talented writers who've written short stories


that's more than 9 writers.
Benkei July 06, 2022 at 20:03 #716235
Reply to god must be atheist Sorry, 9 writers and 1 clown! :grimace:
god must be atheist July 06, 2022 at 20:05 #716237
Michael July 06, 2022 at 21:12 #716260
Quoting Benkei
Btw, everyone, there are ten talented writers who've written short stories and you can vote and comment on them!


Hmm, ten talented writers and twelve stories. Who are the two untalented writers?
god must be atheist July 06, 2022 at 21:19 #716264
Quoting Michael
Who are the two untalented writers?


They are anonymous. You can read the stories and decide for yourself?
Jamal July 07, 2022 at 06:53 #716388
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This isn't my dog or my son's dog (my son doesn't have a dog and I don't have a son anyway), but it's a puppy of the breed of dog I had when I was a child, and they all look the same.

I overindulged for my birthday (July 4th but once again I didn't get any fireworks) so I have been eating little. Only a banana, a kiwi fruit, and coffee for breakfast.
Michael July 07, 2022 at 08:37 #716415
Quoting Jamal
a kiwi fruit


I like how you had to specify it was the fruit, not the bird.
Jamal July 07, 2022 at 08:40 #716418
Reply to Michael Well, a kiwi can be the bird, the fruit, or the human from New Zealand, so I felt I had to be precise.
universeness July 07, 2022 at 08:43 #716419
:clap: :up: :clap: BOJO is going to resign! I wonder which tory horror will replace him?
Benkei July 07, 2022 at 11:10 #716446
Quoting Michael
Hmm, ten talented writers and twelve stories. Who are the two untalented writers?


I guesstimated from memory. What's up with all these people and details? GoD!
Michael July 07, 2022 at 11:43 #716459
Quoting universeness
BOJO is going to resign! I wonder which tory horror will replace him?


Michael Fabricant. Got to maintain the hair status-quo.
universeness July 07, 2022 at 12:00 #716461
Quoting Michael
Michael Fabricant. Got to maintain the hair status-quo.


:rofl: That would make Nicola happy I think. Is that hair real? Its surely just a bad wig! He would be an even better advert for Scottish independence. Alba gu bràth !!!!!
Well, after that outburst I would like to confirm my calm support for Scottish independence.
Boris was a good advert for it but all tories are in my opinion so whilst the tories are in power in Westminster, Scottish independence will always look like the better option to me.
Tate July 07, 2022 at 18:19 #716546
If someone needs an idea for a story, I had this idea of aliens who look just like us, but they never fart. They start trying to infiltrate the human race to take over and the only way to detect them is to feed them beans and then monitor.
Hanover July 07, 2022 at 18:39 #716555
Quoting Jamal
This isn't my dog or my son's dog (my son doesn't have a dog and I don't have a son anyway), but it's a puppy of the breed of dog I had when I was a child, and they all look the same.


This post has motivated me to create a lifetime animal inventory:

I had a Shetland Sheepdog (Skip) when I was little, a miniature schnauzer (Scooter) when I was a little older, a beagle mutt (Mooch) when I first got married, a miniature pinscher (Fifi) when I had kids, two Briards (Ginger and Fred) when the kids were older, and two chihuahuas (Pretzel and Peanut) when I second got married.

I've had 2 cats (Loop de Loop and Gumbo). They were both black. I got the second black cat after the first black cat died because I asked my son what sort of cat he wanted and he said another black one.

I had 2 birds (Chicken Hawk and No Name). They were my sons and he tended to them (and he refused to name the second one so he called him No Name). One died in the cat's mouth (Loop de Loop's) and one died in a ceiling fan accident (Spencer is the name I gave my ceiling fan).

I also have had 4 goats (Cornbread, Biscuit, Jasper, and Tater) and 9 chickens (Pretty, Big, Little, White, Brown, and four are just named little chickens 1, 2, 3, and 4). Only one has died (Little), I think in the mouth of a fox (Cunning McBiteBite is the fox' name).

Once a bird flew into my screened-in porch and got stuck, so I named her Stucky, but when she finally found her way out and got loose, I renamed her Lucy.

Oh, and the Spencer joke is funny only if you live in the South because we say the Letter E like the letter I, so it sounds like Spin-sir. You might have missed that without this explanation. And yes, the word pen is pronounced like pin, so don't act confused when I ask you to sign with a pin.
unenlightened July 07, 2022 at 18:56 #716562
Quoting Hanover
I had 2 birds (Chicken Hawk and No Name). They were my sons ...


Either you need an apostrophe or a social worker.
Hanover July 07, 2022 at 19:00 #716563
Quoting unenlightened
Either you need an apostrophe or a social worker.


Thanks for the proof read. Input like yours is critical in maintaining the standards of the Shoutbox.
unenlightened July 07, 2022 at 19:02 #716564

Reply to Hanover I only mentioned it because I thought it might be the social worker.
Hanover July 07, 2022 at 19:03 #716566
Reply to unenlightened I think they used to call attractive women "Birds" back in the 20s. I think I'll start doing that again. Should be generally appreciated I would think.
unenlightened July 07, 2022 at 19:06 #716567
Reply to Hanover Good idea! But not your sons, call them Bill, George, anything but Sue, Chicken Hawk or No Name.
BC July 07, 2022 at 22:20 #716597
Reply to Hanover It's apparently outré to ask Google for bird/women words. What is the existential difference between a bird and a chick (with reference to human females)? Is it the case that a bird in hand is not as good as two chicks in the bush? Chickens can come home to roost, but chicks can not?



Sir2u July 07, 2022 at 22:57 #716611
Quoting Hanover
I think they used to call attractive women "Birds" back in the 20s.


Hell, we used to do that back in the 60's. :smile:
Much nicer than calling them bitches as is the current use of animal names to describe females. :sad:
Metaphysician Undercover July 08, 2022 at 00:42 #716634
Be wary of the bird dog:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c3M2jGkzko
praxis July 08, 2022 at 02:22 #716653
I made shrimp scampi & asparagus for dinner. No kiwian’s, neither human, bird, nor fruit, was injured in preparation of this meal. Feel empathy for the shrimp, if you are so inclined.
BC July 08, 2022 at 02:47 #716658
Reply to praxis Some people use dead shrimp; others use summer sausage.

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praxis July 08, 2022 at 04:18 #716679
Reply to Bitter Crank

If that’s phalic innuendo I’m seasonably unimpressed.
Jamal July 08, 2022 at 04:25 #716683
Reply to Hanover I enjoyed reading your pet history but thought it was let down by the last paragraph. 9/10.
BC July 08, 2022 at 05:30 #716695
Reply to praxis Sausage can't help but be phallic, but Freud had nothing to do with it. I merely thought it was a bizarre advert to suggest summer sausage as a means to self-revelation. It is like saying "express yourself with rutabagas".
jorndoe July 08, 2022 at 05:38 #716700
Reply to Jamal, that looks like a flat-coated retriever. We had'em when I grew up.
Jamal July 08, 2022 at 06:38 #716711
Reply to jorndoe Yep! Great dogs.
javi2541997 July 08, 2022 at 18:07 #716832
RIP Shizo Abe. Great Japanese Prime Minister and leader. He has been murdered by a terrorist a few hours ago in Nara. I feel sad whenever this issues happen.
Japan’s Shinzo Abe, Former Prime Minister, Is Assassinated
Hanover July 08, 2022 at 19:29 #716842
I came across this obituary. I think this might be the inspiration for my next short story.

https://www.jacksonville.com/obituaries/pfla0245589
Caldwell July 09, 2022 at 01:06 #716902
Quoting javi2541997
RIP Shizo Abe. Great Japanese Prime Minister and leader. He has been murdered by a terrorist a few hours ago in Nara. I feel sad whenever this issues happen.

My deepest sympathy. A great loss.
BC July 11, 2022 at 22:27 #717855
No snarky wisecracks in the Shoutbox for 72 hours? What is the world coming to!

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Hanover July 12, 2022 at 00:22 #717867
Reply to Bitter Crank We double up on my wife's Claritin by using my ID before she runs out. If I could figure out how to make a batch of meth with the extra, I'd give it a try. Homemade is always better.
Cuthbert July 12, 2022 at 01:56 #717906
Limited by English culture, I had to look up Claritin but now I get it. I think it's the font but it seems to say 'The New Yorker'. Brilliant cartoons, always. "Perhaps This Will Refresh Your Memory"

BC July 12, 2022 at 02:48 #717915
Reply to Cuthbert It did cross my mind that people who live in normal sane countries might not get the joke. For you who live in sane countries: pharmacies found products containing pseudoephedrine or ephedrine were getting ripped off in bulk, or bought out. Why? It's one of the ingredients in home made meth.

Of course, the US isn't the only country where meth is a problem, but Congress doesn't do well when it comes to drug problems. They tend to fund punitive measures or try to denial access to material rather than funding treatment. They require an ID to buy pseudoephedrine or ephedrine products, so... easier to buy a gun.

The New Yorker fonts and layouts are very consistent. My whole world system is a construct based on 5 decades of New Yorker cartoons. It's quite weird but it works.
Cuthbert July 12, 2022 at 08:58 #717992
Quoting Bitter Crank
For you who live in sane countries


Thank you for the diplomatic compliment. In case you did not know already, England is sane in the same way as the first guy you meet on the ward who acts like the nurse in charge but turns out to believe his thoughts are being monitored by rabbits. You can't go wrong with The New Yorker. Amongst other strange English beliefs is the delusion that Americans lack a sense of subtle, ironic, self-deprecating humour, despite a couple of centuries of evidence to the contrary.
Benkei July 12, 2022 at 11:57 #718012
Reply to Cuthbert Speaking of insane. How's that leadership tug going in the UK?
Cuthbert July 12, 2022 at 12:36 #718017
Reply to Benkei We don't get a vote. MP's will decide who is the next Prime Minister. I can guarantee it will be someone who supports traditional Conservative values and who pledges to govern for the whole country. Who will not be distracted by minor issues but who will get on with the job in hand. Who will recognise the challenges we face as a country and who does not underestimate the scale of the task ahead. Who absolutely appreciates the issues that ordinary people are dealing with every day up and down the country. Who will focus on policy and not on media-driven personality obsessions. As to what they think or believe or will actually do, nobody knows, possibly not even the candidates themselves.
Hanover July 12, 2022 at 16:02 #718051
Herschel on the climate/Green New Deal/air:

"Since we don't control the air our good air decided to float over to China's bad air so when China gets our good air, their bad air got to move. So it moves over to our good air space. Then now we got we to clean that back up."
Noble Dust July 13, 2022 at 02:55 #718199
Dinner: Thai Red Curry with chicken, Thai eggplant and red and green bell pepper. The key is good quality curry paste, Makrut lime leaves, good fish sauce, palm sugar, and Thai basil.
Wayfarer July 13, 2022 at 06:13 #718236
Question de jour: were Leon Musk’s parents dyslexic?
Jamal July 13, 2022 at 06:14 #718237
Reply to Noble Dust Success?

Me, I've been sick since the weekend. It might have been the Abkhazian restaurant I went to. I was on my third beer when I began to think it didn't taste right. Or maybe it was the lamb qutab (not an Abkhazian dish, but still Caucasian).

The developing gastrointestinal disturbances added to the humid heat made cycling home a struggle.

The point is I've been eating nothing but dry white bread, plain white rice with no sauce or spices, bananas, boiled eggs, a few boiled carrots, and much tea. It's getting boring.
Noble Dust July 13, 2022 at 06:29 #718238
Quoting Jamal
Success?


Indeed. I go back and forth on Thai eggplant, though. Wasn't loving it this time around. Not super flavorful and the texture is weird. Nutritious though. It's actually very easy to make Thai curry, it just hinges on proper ingredients, so of course I'm spoiled here in NYC, although there's only one proper Thai grocery store in the city that I'm aware of, which I of course frequent. But the process of making an authentic Thai curry is not hard at all; the success of the dish is purely based on having the correct ingredients and following the (very easy) process correctly.

Sorry to hear of your gastronomical woes. Plain bread and rice seem like a surefire recipe to recovery. In no time you'll be back on the road to making all manner of curries and etc.
Noble Dust July 13, 2022 at 06:30 #718239
Reply to Wayfarer

They probably thought he was special.
Jamal July 13, 2022 at 06:32 #718240
Quoting Noble Dust
there's only one proper Thai grocery store in the city that I'm aware of


That's quite surprising.

Quoting Noble Dust
In no time you'll be back on the road to making all manner of curries and etc


:up:
Noble Dust July 13, 2022 at 06:36 #718241
Quoting Jamal
That's quite surprising.


NYC is a strange place; there's countless Thai restaurants, but, and I was just speaking with a co-worker about this, I'm not really aware of any Thai enclave in the city, apart from maybe one small one in the Queens neighborhood of Sunnyside. A mystery.
unenlightened July 13, 2022 at 08:04 #718258
In the UK it is illegal to cook without a special licence, but we all like to watch cooking on tv. Some people have even installed a tv in the kitchen so they can pretend to join in.
unenlightened July 13, 2022 at 08:11 #718259
I thought this was going to be interesting, but it turned out to be about fucking bonobos again.

https://nautil.us/overthrowing-the-patriarchy-through-ecstatic-sex-21451/
praxis July 14, 2022 at 02:47 #718464
Dinner: creamy pesto chicken & asparagus made with fresh basil from the garden. Recipes generally call for heavy cream and cherry tomatoes but going lectins-free, I used coconut cream, garlic, salt & pepper, asparagus, and of course more parmesan.
javi2541997 July 14, 2022 at 04:20 #718487
Good morning. It is 06:15 and there is a beautiful moon in the sky which has left me thinking for 10 minutes in a poem or haiku. But my imagination is not able to write something yet.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 04:47 #718495
Quoting unenlightened
I thought this was going to be interesting, but it turned out to be about fucking bonobos again.


It was actually very interesting and made me want to read the book, especially the bit about ducks. I've seen the coercive sexual behaviour of male ducks a few times and just assumed that's how ducks mate and breed, but what they're saying in the article is that duck vaginas are actually unreceptive to the penises of these rapey males. And it's not just the penis that has a corkscrew shape--the vagina does too.

This apparently...

[quote=Lucy Cooke]...rescues the female from being a victim in all of this because she’s retaining her autonomy. She’s choosing who fathers her egg, although she’s still subject to coercive acts. But as far as evolution’s concerned, she’s the winner, because she’s retaining the choice of who fertilizes those eggs.[/quote]

On the one hand this might seem crudely motivated by politics, but on the other hand the revisionism is justified: it seems to be backed up by research and reveals the male-chauvinist prejudices of zoological research hitherto. It's a corrective.

What I would hope is people understand that biological sex isn’t a crystal ball. Females are not meant to behave in a certain way because they produce eggs. Males are not meant to behave in a certain way because they produce sperm. The variety that we see in nature of both the expression of sex and the spectrum of sex itself, should inspire us to see the limitless possibilities of the female experience, and not feel boxed in by stereotypes.


However, I'm thinking we probably shouldn't need to take inspiration from animals to do things right.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 04:48 #718497
Ham and egg sandwich with quail's egg mayonnaise.

Before you mock me for being fancy with the mayo, I bought it by accident and it wasn't any more expensive than regular mayo anyway.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 04:50 #718498
Quoting javi2541997
Good morning. It is 06:15 and there is a beautiful moon in the sky


The biggest and brightest supermoon of the year, it was.
javi2541997 July 14, 2022 at 05:09 #718505
Quoting Jamal
The biggest and brightest supermoon of the year, it was.

:flower: :up:
I did a research on internet and I found out that the moon is called Hay Moon but others call it as thunder moon
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 05:12 #718506
Reply to javi2541997 Another common one is Buck moon.
javi2541997 July 14, 2022 at 05:37 #718508
Quoting Jamal
Another common one is Buck moon.


So interesting indeed :100:
universeness July 14, 2022 at 08:37 #718551
All power to the brave people of Sri Lanka. It's fantastic to see the people make the nefarious bastards in charge of that country run for their lives It's even better to see that the police and the army seem unwilling to kill the people. If only the people of Russia would do the same and the police and army there reacted in the same way. I hope what's happening in Sri Lanka results in a better future for the people who live there and I hope that they become an example for every country in the world.
javi2541997 July 14, 2022 at 09:47 #718563
Quoting universeness
. I hope what's happening in Sri Lanka results in a better future for the people who live there and I hope that they become an example for every country in the world.


:up: :100:

I wish them the best too. They are the main example that the revolution or changes start with the people, not the powerful ones.
Cuthbert July 14, 2022 at 09:57 #718564
Oh, those excuses for buying quail egg mayonnaise! I would say 'I've heard them all' but actually I've never heard one and I did not know it was something that needed to be excused. If it was golden eagle egg mayonnaise I would take a different view.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 11:42 #718589
Reply to Cuthbert Yeah, it was a preemptive strike against T Clark's inevitable accusations of foodie pretentiousness.
javi2541997 July 14, 2022 at 15:54 #718734
We have 42 ?C right now in the street... this heatwave would incinerate us very soon. This weather is unbearable.
baker July 14, 2022 at 15:57 #718736
As long as people are self-confident, all will be well. You just need to believe in yourself.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 16:01 #718744
Reply to Jamal

Mayo and eggs eh? :chin:
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 16:33 #718758
Reply to Noble Dust A pretty standard combination, I thought. Egg mayonnaise sandwiches are a big part of my people's history.
Tate July 14, 2022 at 16:46 #718764
Does anyone meditate here? If so, could you say what you do and why, and what the results are?
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 16:49 #718765
Reply to Jamal

If you're referring to what we in America call egg salad, then sure; boiled eggs mixed with mayo and other things. I guess when I read "ham and eggs" I immediately imagined scrambled eggs and ham, a fairly common combo here...but mayo on that sandwich would be odd to me. I'm sure there are parts of the US where it's done.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 16:50 #718766
Reply to Noble Dust They were boiled eggs so something along the lines of egg salad. I agree that eating mayo and scrambled eggs together would be doing wrong.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 16:53 #718769
Quoting Jamal
I agree that eating mayo and scrambled eggs together would be doing wrong.


Moral wrong.

Anyway, how was the accidental quail egg mayonnaise?

Side note, egg salad on white bread is a classic American lunch (not breakfast), although maybe a bit outdated.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 16:56 #718771
Quoting Tate
Does anyone meditate here?


If I did meditate, I wouldn't do it here.

Quoting Tate
could you say what you do and why, and what the results are?


I did try meditation twice. I began by concentrating on parts of my body one by one, and then my whole body, and then the room, and then the house, and so on outwards. It was pretty good. Left me feeling quite relaxed.

I'll leave it to experienced others to tell you more. I'm sure we have some meditators on TPF.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 16:56 #718772
Quoting praxis
Dinner: creamy pesto chicken & asparagus made with fresh basil from the garden. Recipes generally call for heavy cream and cherry tomatoes but going lectins-free, I used coconut cream, garlic, salt & pepper, asparagus, and of course more parmesan.


I think the coconut cream would throw me a bit, but sounds good otherwise. I never liked asparagus as a kid, and I think it's one of those things that's just sort of slipped through; I'm do for a re-evaluation.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 16:58 #718774
Quoting Noble Dust
Anyway, how was the accidental quail egg mayonnaise?


Tasty and satisfying.

Quoting Noble Dust
Side note, egg salad on white bread is a classic American lunch (not breakfast), although maybe a bit outdated.


The idea of outdated food is an odd one to me, but I think I know what you mean. Also I eat anything pretty much any time.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:02 #718776
Quoting Noble Dust
I think the coconut cream would throw me a bit


At first I thought praxis was talking about a pasta dish and recoiled in horror when coconut cream was mentioned. But just with chicken and asparagus might be all right, tho I can't really imagine the flavours together.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 17:04 #718777
Quoting Jamal
The idea of outdated food is an odd one to me, but I think I know what I mean.


Egg salad on white bread feels very 1960's to me; not that I was alive at the time. Still a delicious sandwich.

Quoting Jamal
Also I eat anything pretty much any time.


I think that's one way in which American culture hampers us; breakfast food seems to be pretty set in it's ways here, even here in NYC. Don't get me wrong, I love American breakfast food. Even eating boiled eggs vs. scrambled or over easy/etc seems odd to me. No reason why though, I'm sure it would be great.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 17:05 #718778
Reply to Jamal

Ah yes, I made the same mistake.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:05 #718780
Reply to Noble Dust Even regular cream in pasta is frowned upon by Italians.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 17:07 #718781
Reply to Jamal

You mean when I visit Italy I won't be able to order Chicken Alfredo at Olive Garden?
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:09 #718782
Reply to Noble Dust Apparently not.

Olive Garden I gather is a much derided and ubiquitous pseudo-Italian restaurant chain in the US.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 17:12 #718784
Reply to Jamal

Yes. I'm pretty sure you still get bottomless free breadsticks though. According to their website the Chicken Alfredo has 1,570 calories.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 17:13 #718786
Reply to Jamal

Or you can go for Asiago Tortellini Alfredo with Grilled Chicken at a mere 1,980 calories.
Tate July 14, 2022 at 17:18 #718787
Quoting Jamal
I did try meditation twice. I began by concentrating on parts of my body one by one, and then my whole body, and then the room, and then the house, and so on outwards. It was pretty good. Left me feeling quite relaxed.


That sounds good. Why did you only do it twice?
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:18 #718788
Quoting Noble Dust
breakfast food seems to be pretty set in it's ways here


Well if you mean eating out, then yes, same everywhere really. Here in Moscow, American style breakfasts have become popular, but mostly it's the usual Russian stuff. Pancakes, potato pancakes, cheese pancakes, cherry dumplings, porridge. I ordered an "English breakfast" once. I can't imagine where in England they'd been.

Reply to Noble Dust That's more calories than I'm allowed to eat in a whole day (when not exercising).
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:19 #718790
Reply to Tate I'm not a very patient person. Too restless. If I want to relax I'd rather read. Of course, maybe this means I'm exactly the kind of person who should meditate.
Tate July 14, 2022 at 17:32 #718794
Quoting Jamal
I'm not a very patient person. Too restless. If I want to relax I'd rather read. Of course, maybe this means I'm exactly the kind of person who should meditate.


I'm also very restless. Lately I'm needing to calm myself down, though.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:36 #718797
Reply to Tate If I wanted to start meditating I’d probably be overwhelmed by the diversity of information and advice on the internet, which is why it’s not a bad idea to ask people here and elsewhere in your life. You could post a new discussion in the Lounge, considering that your question is now getting lost under a mountain of food.
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 17:46 #718800
Reply to Jamal

I’m not sure of the origins of the dish, but my favorite breakfast by far is Eggs Benedict, preferably with a side of some type of hash brown, plenty of black coffee and a glass of orange juice.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:48 #718802
Reply to Noble Dust Yep, that’s one of those American breakfast dishes I was thinking of. It’s a good one.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 17:52 #718805
King of breakfasts for me: haggis slice, black pudding, Lorne sausage, Ayrshire bacon, potato scone, beans, fried eggs, toast, hold the mushrooms.
Tate July 14, 2022 at 18:00 #718811
Quoting Jamal
If I wanted to start meditating I’d probably be overwhelmed by the diversity of information and advice on the internet, which is why it’s not a bad idea to ask people here and elsewhere in your life. You could post a new discussion in the Lounge, considering that your question is now getting lost under a mountain of food.


:razz:
BC July 14, 2022 at 18:21 #718818
Reply to Jamal There isn't that much to say about learning how to meditate. It starts with practicing controlled breathing. The brain stem manages our breathing just fine, but when you take over the function consciously, it pretty much occupies our attention. That is a key piece. Practice breathing in a slow continual manner--no stops, no breath holding. This is a sit down activity.

What should you do about all the mental noise you hear while you are practicing your breathing? Nothing. Just accept it for now. Later you can try focusing on a point (light switch, door knob, etc.). Maintain the focus on the point for increasing lengths of time. This will tend to occupy your mind enough to reduce the mental chatter.

Meditation is first a physical practice. A further step is learning to relax muscles, starting with the face, neck, shoulders, arms, etc.

Do not expect instant results. That's it. When the practice becomes routinized, it can be invoked to calm down, Not that complicated.

Piece of Bhuddist advice: Don't just do something--stand there.

You have received fairly free advice from a certified amateur; there is no need for you to seek further opinion.
Jamal July 14, 2022 at 18:24 #718819
Reply to Bitter Crank @Tate will be grateful.
Tate July 14, 2022 at 18:46 #718827
Noble Dust July 14, 2022 at 19:41 #718843
Lunch: Italian Combo Sandwich the fabled Espositos Pork Store. Salami, Prosciutto, Soppressata, Prvolone, lettuce, tomato, roasted red peppers, onion, oil/vinegar, salt/pepper/oregano on a seeded Italian hero.
praxis July 14, 2022 at 20:18 #718849
Quoting Noble Dust
I think the coconut cream would throw me a bit, but sounds good otherwise. I never liked asparagus as a kid, and I think it's one of those things that's just sort of slipped through; I'm do for a re-evaluation.


I was unsure but the coconut cream works. I'd like it with dairy and pasta but I'm lectin conscious now. Lectins poison. :death:

I think the trick to asparagus is to not overcook or it gets mushy.
praxis July 14, 2022 at 20:36 #718850
Quoting Tate
I'm also very restless. Lately I'm needing to calm myself down, though.


I've been meditating on and off for years. It is calming, though it's easier to do if you're calm going into it. I've listened to hypnosis tapes for relaxation before sitting at times, in order to pre-calm. Diet is another way to calm the body. I've really noticed this over the last couple of weeks, having gone lectin-free.

As the Bitter Crank mentions, breathing is important, and can also calm the body. Abdominal breathing is said to stimulate the vagus nerve. Slow, through the nose, and from the belly. It doesn't take much practice to get down to less than a couple of breaths per minute. You'll definitely be calm then.
praxis July 14, 2022 at 20:40 #718852
Speaking of breakfast, lately a favorite is sauteed red onions and spinach topped with a couple of fried eggs.
Tate July 15, 2022 at 02:50 #718963
Quoting praxis
Diet is another way to calm the body. I've really noticed this over the last couple of weeks, having gone lectin-free.


Lectin?

My neighbor has a swimming pool and he didn't put any chlorine in it, so now there are a thousand tadpoles in there.
praxis July 15, 2022 at 03:30 #718964
Quoting Tate
Lectin?


A protein that exists in all organic life, I understand, though some life contains more than others. Also, some life, such as my life, are more sensitive to lectins. Lectins in plant life act as a protective mechanism, poisoning to some degree the species that consume them. Our species is not well adapted to some new world plant life, such as grains, legumes, and nightshades, because we’ve only been consuming them for about 10k years.

Quoting Tate
My neighbor has a swimming pool and he didn't put any chlorine in it, so now there are a thousand tadpoles in there.


https://www.food.com/recipe/simple-sauteed-frogs-legs-40405
Tate July 15, 2022 at 10:47 #719132
Reply to praxis Lectin is known as a natural insecticide, so you're eating that when you eat beans. Interesting.

I think the tadpoles are probably American toads. I don't know if they're edible.
BC July 15, 2022 at 17:40 #719279
Reply to Tate Reply to praxis Eating raw/undercooked grains and beans may well cause lectin-related digestive problems. It's also the case that lectins have become a popular dietary cause célèbre.

The T. H. Chan School of Public Health at Harvard has a good website on nutrition; HERE is what it has to say about lectins. Raw beans and grains can be quite problematic for lectins, but the usual methods of processing and preparing beans and grains greatly reduces the amount of lectin in food.

Soaking and boiling beans, for instance, removes the risk.

BTW, frog tadpoles are slimmer whereas toad tadpoles are chunky. Frog tadpoles are also covered in gold flecks, while toad tadpoles are plain black in colour. Frog tadpoles have a thin tail. This information will help you decide whether it is worth the wait to start harvesting tasty leggy amphibians.
Hanover July 15, 2022 at 18:30 #719302
Quoting Bitter Crank
This information will help you decide whether it is worth the wait to start harvesting tasty leggy amphibians.


My pool has salt in it and sometimes frogs jump in and swim around. If you get them out quick enough, they jump off and go do frog things. If you don't, you find them in the filter and then you have to sling them over the fence into the neighbor's yard.

Quoting Tate
My neighbor has a swimming pool and he didn't put any chlorine in it, so now there are a thousand tadpoles in there.


I don't like frog legs. They taste like greasy fried chicken wings. I don't like mutton, but I do like lamb. Ergo, I might like tadpoles.

praxis July 15, 2022 at 18:40 #719306
Quoting Bitter Crank
It's also the case that lectins have become a popular dietary cause célèbre.


Many may not be sensitive to them for whatever reason, but I think it could also be that consumption can catch up with us as we age, and the results (chronic inflammation, weight gain, arthritis and other autoimmune issues, high blood pressure/cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, etc.) are generally considered normal aging. It's been something of a revelation to learn that this is not the case at all.
Hanover July 15, 2022 at 18:53 #719310
Quoting Bitter Crank
Soaking and boiling beans, for instance, removes the risk.


Once I went camping with some friends and we decided to save some money by buying dried out beans, not realizing they had to be soaked. After boiling them for an hour or so and they were still crunchy, I resolved the problem by getting everyone to pretend that was how they were supposed to taste.
Sir2u July 16, 2022 at 20:19 #719672
Quoting Bitter Crank
Clark must be on vacation or something - he hasn't posted on the shout box lately. But then, hardly anybody else has, either.But then, hardly anybody else has, either. Everybody on vacation? In bed with Covid? Joined the Ukrainian army? In D.C. to advise JB? Exploring the sewers of Paris?


I have not been able to visit much for the past two months. I was in the hospital for a couple of weeks, got run over by a motorcycle. I had a plate put in my wrist and one in my leg. It has been a real bitch not being able to stay in the same position for more than a few minutes because of the pain and cramps I got.

But it is nice to be back. :smile:
BC July 17, 2022 at 00:16 #719742
Reply to Sir2u Oh no! Sir2u, glad you are still with us. Was the broken bone your tibia, fibula, or femur? Were you walking or on a bike? You have my sympathies -- leg injuries can ache and throb a lot for longer than one would like. So sorry. Was it the wrist of your dominant hand?

I hope you are getting good care with someone to look after and comfort you! Heal well; let's hope the pain fades away soon.
Metaphysician Undercover July 17, 2022 at 01:59 #719755
Reply to Sir2u
Ouch! Sir. That's my best attempt to express empathy, though I feel it strongly. Take care.
Caldwell July 17, 2022 at 02:28 #719756
Reply to Sir2u It's good to see you back. I hope you are feeling much better. Sorry to hear about the accident.
javi2541997 July 17, 2022 at 04:51 #719777
Reply to Sir2u

Glad to see you back! :victory:
praxis July 17, 2022 at 10:01 #719882
Reply to Sir2u

Damn, hope you have a full recovery.
jorndoe July 17, 2022 at 20:16 #720075
Reply to Sir2u, good to have you back and kicking. Get well.
Baden July 17, 2022 at 20:17 #720076
Reply to Sir2u

Damn! Welcome back!
Hanover July 17, 2022 at 21:38 #720095
In a prior post, I offered for consumption a photograph of a face, and later a foot, riddled with embedded human teeth. Some found the images distracting.

I have since encountered a number of photos depicting feet with curious growths that candidly I believe some might find disagreeable. In truth, I would choose dislodged teeth in my feet and face over the maladies I recently observed.

Prior to posting these photographs for public consumption, I wanted to know if there were any objections.
Jamal July 17, 2022 at 22:51 #720112
Reply to Hanover Yes, I strongly object. Don’t do it.
Sir2u July 18, 2022 at 00:06 #720127
Reply to Bitter Crank
It was the tibia, and I was walking. Half way across the street I turned to look in the direction of the oncoming traffic and the idiot came out of nowhere at high speed. He just missed my wife and two other people that where crossing.
I am still suffering from an injury to the other leg that happened more than 50 years ago, so now I have two bad legs. Makes things difficult to say the least.
The worst part of it is that both injuries are on the left side, not the dominant side, but it meant I could not even use crutches until my wrist healed enough to take the strain.

Quoting Bitter Crank
I hope you are getting good care with someone to look after and comfort you!


Doing OK in that department. :grin:
Sir2u July 18, 2022 at 00:06 #720128
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover Reply to Caldwell Reply to Baden Reply to javi2541997 Reply to jorndoe Reply to praxis

:up: Thank you all for your kindness. As soon as I can stay in the same position for any length of time I will try to catch up with what has been happening around the forum and maybe participate in some threads. :up:
Sir2u July 18, 2022 at 00:09 #720130
Quoting Hanover
Prior to posting these photographs for public consumption, I wanted to know if there were any objections.


Only if you let me post the images of my surgeries and X-rays showing the before and after of the total fuck up. :cool:
BC July 18, 2022 at 00:20 #720133
Reply to Sir2u Yes, do -- we love medical pictures. You are no doubt aware that broken bones, especially with cast and crutches, gains maximum sympathy from others, even near and dear loved ones. A terminal headache, for instance, isn't visible and people always doubt just how much you are suffering. But come in on crutches and even the socially dense scurry out of the way.
BC July 18, 2022 at 00:32 #720137
Quoting Sir2u
I am still suffering from an injury to the other leg that happened more than 50 years ago ... tibia


Tibia -- even worse, a main weight-bearing bone.

Flutes were once made from tibias -- just not the ones belonging to the flautist, presumably. Suffering for one's art sounds all well and good, but sawing off one's shin bone to make one's art is going a bit far. Tibia is also the name of the organ pipe that produces a flute-like sound.

Another fact of life is that some injuries don't just heal up and disappear. There are lasting consequences to some of them. One can live with them but they are no asset.
Metaphysician Undercover July 18, 2022 at 00:39 #720138
Quoting Bitter Crank
One can live with them but they are no asset.


Battle scars. You can show them off to impress people.
Changeling July 20, 2022 at 04:42 #720701
Who here lives in the UK? Was it really that hot over the last few days?
javi2541997 July 20, 2022 at 06:42 #720723
Reply to Changeling

I do not live in the UK but yes, it was really hot among Europe in the last days. We had around 40 and 45 C? degrees... it was so unbearable...
Noble Dust July 20, 2022 at 06:47 #720726
Reply to javi2541997

I do not live in the UK or anywhere near it, but yes, it was pretty hot around here. So yes, it was hot in the UK.
javi2541997 July 20, 2022 at 07:00 #720729
Reply to Noble Dust

I think the heatwave is kicking most of the countries in the world. Another consequence of climate change...
Noble Dust July 20, 2022 at 07:03 #720730
Reply to javi2541997

Yes indeed. Sort of meant that as a joke, but also true about the heat wave.
Jamal July 20, 2022 at 07:35 #720737
I do not live in the UK, it's raining, and it'll reach only 19? today.

The heatwave here ended about a week ago, and maybe there will be another, but already it seems like a dream. Was it really so? Did I really cavort in the fountains of Gorky Park and dance naked in the moonlight in Red Square?
Jamal July 20, 2022 at 07:39 #720739
Coronation chicken sandwich and Bundaberg ginger beer for breakfast. Coronation chicken seems like a very English, very old-fashioned thing, so I was surprised to find it here.
Cuthbert July 20, 2022 at 09:22 #720745
Even mentioning 'coronation chicken' operates a time machine that transports you to 1954, so I hope you can get back. Recently I bought a tub of coronation chicken and ate it with a fork in the office. Colleagues (under the age of 30 - I am 64) objected that coronation chicken is a sandwich filling or the basis of a salad but is not to be eaten as an unadorned dish. I was somehow pleased that English culinary rules still apply and old pointless traditions are being kept alive. It gives me the chance to be shockingly revolutionary at no cost to myself or anyone else. As you say, very English.
Cuthbert July 20, 2022 at 09:34 #720746
Quoting Changeling
Who here lives in the UK? Was it really that hot over the last few days?


It was like the Med. It was the weather that Brits deliberately seek out every year by going abroad. If we were in Portugal people would say what gorgeous sunshine and what a shame we don't get such lovely weather at home. They would bare their white bodies, turn the colour of lobsters and drink a lot of sangria. I would not dare give this opinion on talk radio.
javi2541997 July 20, 2022 at 09:42 #720748
Quoting Cuthbert
drink a lot of sangria


Sangria is Spanish not Portuguese... we are in the same peninsula but we are so damn different countries...
Cuthbert July 20, 2022 at 09:45 #720749
True, thank you. Even the insensitivity to cultural difference is truly British. And it is mine, so I cannot stand on moral high ground.
unenlightened July 20, 2022 at 10:03 #720750
Watching "As Good as it Gets".

[quote=missquote]'You make me want to be a better man.'

'That's the best compliment I ever had.'[/quote]

I'm completely hopeless at compliments because I was brought up with both English reserve and Scottish dourness; in my family "not bad" was the highest accolade.

Your realistic compliments for every situation are solicited.
Michael July 20, 2022 at 10:07 #720751
Quoting Changeling
Who here lives in the UK? Was it really that hot over the last few days?


Yes. So hot that I even got out the air con. I set it to 18 degrees but it couldn't get below 25.
Cuthbert July 20, 2022 at 10:52 #720757
Quoting unenlightened
Watching "As Good as it Gets".


Great choice
unenlightened July 20, 2022 at 10:56 #720758
Reply to Changeling I live right by the cooling sea and well out of the red warning zone, and it was still hot enough to warrant a long 4 hour siesta. UK normal climate is very mild temperate and high rainfall, so by global standards it wasn't that extreme, but local all time temperature records were broken on two consecutive days over a wide swathe of the country. And there were some nasty fires around London.

Quoting Cuthbert
Great choice


That's not a bad reply. :wink:
Tate July 20, 2022 at 14:38 #720810
My own version of Korean street toast: chop cabbage and a little carrot, put lots of salt and pepper, saute in butter and add an egg. Flip that and let it cook. Put aside and toast bread in the pan with butter. Put the cabbage on the bread and put a bunch of teriyaki sauce on it.

Yum.
javi2541997 July 22, 2022 at 07:28 #721208
We only have 27 C? degrees right now. I wish the rest of the summer keeps a temperature like this one.
But I am only a dreamer...
Baden July 22, 2022 at 11:37 #721256
Ireland doesn't get heatwaves, but we had a warm wave. For one day. Now it's cold again.
Hanover July 22, 2022 at 11:45 #721257
It's been in the 70s in the morning here, getting up into the low 90s later in the day. Pretty mild for here, but I still keep the a/c on 70. I gotta stay chill.
Baden July 22, 2022 at 12:12 #721260
Reply to Hanover

70 is our warm wave. :chin:
Baden July 22, 2022 at 12:31 #721264
It is currently 63 here. :sad:
Hanover July 22, 2022 at 13:00 #721272
Quoting Baden
It is currently 63 here.
Celsius?

Hanover July 22, 2022 at 13:02 #721273
We're now just sort of sitting around on the porch talking about the weather like old people do. I knew this would happen one day.
Hanover July 22, 2022 at 13:11 #721274
Baden July 22, 2022 at 13:32 #721279
Reply to Hanover

I wish. :fire:
Baden July 22, 2022 at 17:18 #721317
Reply to Hanover

Ok, here's a more interesting way to pass the time. Tweet length short stories. Must be exactly 280 characters. I'll go first:

It's nuts how patient he is. Been sitting on that stool for hours. I wonder if I can out-wait him and wonder if he's wondering the same thing. It's only the loud knocking on the door that ends it all. Someone wants to go real bad. I flush and say goodbye to my foe, the cockroach.
Hanover July 22, 2022 at 18:24 #721329
Reply to Baden I stand bent half over in the shower, soap running off my hair as I hold onto the sides of the stall to keep from falling, the room spinning and turning, my throat starting to close up on me. I choke uncontrollably as it wriggles upward, and say goodbye to my foe, the cockroach.

Baden July 22, 2022 at 18:30 #721330
Reply to Hanover

Yours has a bit more bite. :lol:
Noble Dust July 22, 2022 at 18:49 #721332
It's 94 in NYC. :groan:
Baden July 22, 2022 at 18:50 #721333
Reply to Noble Dust

Work that into a story about a cockroach, please. You got 280 characters.
Noble Dust July 22, 2022 at 19:00 #721334
Reply to Baden

Fuck, why does this massive object keep following me? I run over to the hole in the wall, Debby beside me. That massive object lands on her; the sound of her body getting pulverized is deafening. I have no emotions, so I just turn at roughly a 94 degree angle and gallop away.
Baden July 22, 2022 at 19:50 #721343
Reply to Noble Dust

The massive object is a cockroach? Maybe cancelling my holiday to NYC. :scream:
Noble Dust July 22, 2022 at 20:35 #721353
Reply to Baden

Yeah, Debby was a tourist.
Metaphysician Undercover July 23, 2022 at 01:01 #721391
Quoting Noble Dust
so I just turn at roughly a 94 degree angle and gallop away.


So it wasn't the temperature you were talking about, you were talking about how fucked up the street corners are in NYC. The engineers couldn't make a right angle, laying out the blocks?
Noble Dust July 23, 2022 at 01:56 #721398
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover

No, I was talking about how my friend Debby is a 94th degree Freemason.
Metaphysician Undercover July 23, 2022 at 02:00 #721400
Reply to Noble Dust
Freemasonry has 94 degrees?
Noble Dust July 23, 2022 at 02:03 #721401
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover

It didn't until Debby joined.
Tate July 23, 2022 at 13:42 #721507
There's a "what are you listening to" thread in the lounge. Would that be nice to have in the front page?
Jamal July 23, 2022 at 17:21 #721536
Reply to Tate I don't know, the Lounge seems like the right place for it.
Tate July 24, 2022 at 01:30 #721602
Reply to Jamal But it might be used more on the front page. You might be turned onto some amazing music you would have missed otherwise. And then you'll get old and die and the sun will go supernova and the earth will be destroyed

but at least you heard that music.
Changeling July 24, 2022 at 02:21 #721607
Maw July 24, 2022 at 04:47 #721641
Yeah it's hot in NYC
Metaphysician Undercover July 24, 2022 at 11:55 #721719
Reply to Changeling
Why do you ask me to agree with you? I never saw the Beatles before they got "really big". But there is no need to assume that they were "really small" before they got "really big".

I think they had a different drummer before they grew up (got big). Does that mean that Ringo is solely responsible for their instant fame? I think Peter Best was obviously not the best. Agree?
Changeling July 24, 2022 at 14:04 #721744
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Does that mean that Ringo is solely responsible for their instant fame?


The introduction of the diminutive Ringo created the illusion of bigness.

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Agree?


Ye

L'éléphant July 24, 2022 at 17:12 #721785
Humans don't have a wide range of variations in physical and biological traits like animals do. Take for example the snow leopard. Aren't their physical qualities almost like superpower? They have smaller red blood cells, for example, but more numerous so they absorb more oxygen at an elevation of up to 20,000 feet. Whatever.

Hanover July 24, 2022 at 17:35 #721796
Quoting L'éléphant
Humans don't have a wide range of variations in physical and biological traits like animals do. Take for example the snow leopard. Aren't their physical qualities almost like superpower? They have smaller red blood cells, for example, but more numerous so they absorb more oxygen at an elevation of up to 20,000 feet. Whatever.


Meh. We can do that. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40006803
L'éléphant July 24, 2022 at 18:28 #721820
Reply to Hanover Okay. But what about leaping the length of 7x our body's length. And hunting at a vertical slope on a rugged mountain? And a sprint at 40 mph? Are these not super powers?
Metaphysician Undercover July 24, 2022 at 20:21 #721849
Reply to L'éléphant This article says an ant can lift 5000 times its own body weight:
https://entomologytoday.org/2014/02/11/ants-can-lift-up-to-5000-times-their-own-body-weight-new-study-suggests/#:~:text=In%20the%20Journal%20of%20Biomechanics,5%2C000%20times%20the%20ant%27s%20weight.
Now that's a superpower!
A spider web is five times stronger than steel:
https://www.science.org/content/article/spider-silk-five-times-stronger-steel-now-scientists-know-why
Of course, I just copied this shit off the internet, so who knows how true it really is.
Hanover July 24, 2022 at 20:36 #721853
Reply to L'éléphant Sure, but get a load of this guy's crazy legs. No jungle cat can do that.

Hanover July 24, 2022 at 20:38 #721854
Just trying to showcase the best humanity has to offer.
L'éléphant July 24, 2022 at 21:46 #721866
Quoting Hanover
but get a load of this guy's crazy legs. No jungle cat can do that.

And what did he catch? A deer or antelope? That's not trying to catch a prey. Also, he's doing it on a flat surface. A hummingbird can flap its wings up to 5400 times per minute.

Reply to Metaphysician Undercover
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. In the animal kingdom there's a wide range of superpowers that we don't find in humans. Although, I wouldn't use the ant as an example. First of all, if we do the math, if the ant could lift 5000 times its body weight, then it's 0 grams x 5000 = 0. It's still zero weight. :chin:
Hanover July 24, 2022 at 22:25 #721883
Quoting L'éléphant
And what did he catch?


It was a mating dance, trying to catch the most elusive prey of them all.
jorndoe July 24, 2022 at 22:29 #721886
"It begins." (in cold voice)

Chess robot grabs and breaks finger of seven-year-old opponent (Jul 24, 2022)

Jamal July 24, 2022 at 22:32 #721888
Reply to Hanover When I write short stories I hunt for words, trying to catch the most allusive prey.
Hanover July 24, 2022 at 23:07 #721893
Quoting Jamal
When I write short stories I hunt for words, trying to catch the most allusive prey.


My linguistic theory is that everything is allusion.

My other theory is that it is the hunt for words that defeats any theory that language is required for thought.

L'éléphant July 24, 2022 at 23:09 #721895
Reply to jorndoe It wasn't what they're trying to present on the media. The robot was making repeated moves -- "most simply repeat the same basic actions – grab, move, put down – and neither know nor care if people get in the way."
The headline makes it sound like the robot got upset. In fact it was a software error. The robot was performing routine moves and the boy's finger got in the way.
L'éléphant July 24, 2022 at 23:11 #721896
Quoting Jamal
When I write short stories I hunt for words, trying to catch the most allusive prey.

Nice analogy.
Hanover July 24, 2022 at 23:16 #721897
Quoting L'éléphant
The headline makes it sound like the robot got upset. In fact it was a software error. The robot was performing routine moves and the boy's finger got in the way.


You assume the robot lacked intentionally based upon your assumption anger is limited to humans, but this might have been a moment of evolution we were experiencing where bots get pissed off at little kids.

Next we'll be seeing them do amazing mating dances and stealing our women.

jorndoe July 24, 2022 at 23:56 #721914
Metaphysician Undercover July 25, 2022 at 00:27 #721928
Quoting L'éléphant
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. In the animal kingdom there's a wide range of superpowers that we don't find in humans. Although, I wouldn't use the ant as an example. First of all, if we do the math, if the ant could lift 5000 times its body weight, then it's 0 grams x 5000 = 0. It's still zero weight. :chin:


Humans have their own superpower, mathematics. Sometimes though, as demonstrated above, the superpower of mathematics is really quite useless.
L'éléphant July 25, 2022 at 02:50 #721952
Quoting jorndoe
party-pooper :)

The Philosophy Forum members are robot overlords. Have you not been paying attention to that thread? :cool:

Quoting Hanover
Next we'll be seeing them do amazing mating dances and stealing our women.

Keep dreaming.

Hanover July 25, 2022 at 03:12 #721955
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Humans have their own superpower, mathematics.


The Übermensch:

User image
Jamal July 25, 2022 at 04:57 #721986
Quoting L'éléphant
Nice analogy


Created merely to support a pun.

I don't normally go in for puns. They are to humour what allegory is to literature.
Jamal July 25, 2022 at 06:10 #722000
Quoting L'éléphant
First of all, if we do the math, if the ant could lift 5000 times its body weight, then it's 0 grams x 5000 = 0. It's still zero weight. :chin:


Just because your bathroom scale said zero grams when you tried to weigh an ant recently, doesn't mean the ant weighed zero grams.
L'éléphant July 26, 2022 at 04:06 #722252
Quoting Jamal
Just because your bathroom scale said zero grams when you tried to weigh an ant recently, doesn't mean the ant weighed zero grams.

No, dude. Milli scale. I ant = 1 milligram apparently.

So, I stand corrected @Metaphysician Undercover. An ant could carry 5 grams of something.
L'éléphant July 26, 2022 at 04:07 #722253
Quoting Jamal
Created merely to support a pun.

Yeah, 'saw that.
Jamal July 26, 2022 at 08:54 #722309
Quoting L'éléphant
An ant could carry 5 grams of something


That's the weight of a Brazil nut. Impressive.
Hanover July 26, 2022 at 10:02 #722331
Quoting Jamal
That's the weight of a Brazil nut. Impressive.


Whatever. I can carry a whole box of Brazil nuts.
Noble Dust July 26, 2022 at 18:18 #722421
Reply to Hanover

Just don't eat all of them in one sitting; you'll probably die.
Hanover July 26, 2022 at 19:45 #722440
Quoting Noble Dust
Just don't eat all of them in one sitting; you'll probably die.


I put my mixed nuts in my yogurt, which is part of my daily breakfast. Nothing is more exciting than getting a Brazil nut in there. Nothing more disappointing than the lowly peanut. The pecan is fun too, but no Brazil nut.
Noble Dust July 26, 2022 at 21:49 #722468
Reply to Hanover

I'm a big proponent of trying to split almonds perfectly down the middle with my teeth. I'm sure there's some Freudian reason why.
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 03:44 #722508
Quoting Hanover
Nothing is more exciting than getting a Brazil nut in there. Nothing more disappointing than the lowly peanut.


Both are in my top 5, along with hazelnut, walnut, and pine nut.

To pedants and smart-arses: I'm using the word "nut" in its culinary, not its botanical, sense.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 04:12 #722512
Quoting Jamal
hazelnut, walnut, and pine nut.


:chin:

Don't have much experience with actual hazelnuts. Walnuts are utilitarian for me; the cheapest, and they fill out my workday lunch salads correctly. Pine nuts are a delicacy.

Quoting Jamal
To pedants and smart-arses: I'm using the word "nut" in its culinary, not its botanical, sense.


I think you're only preaching to yourself here.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 04:13 #722514
I had my first job interview in 4 years today. It was good to get back out there. Rustling up these old dead leaves in the corner.
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 04:15 #722515
Quoting Noble Dust
Rustling up these old dead leaves in the corner.


This is the job?
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 04:17 #722516
Quoting Noble Dust
are utilitarian for me


Don't dismiss or denigrate a food just because it's cheap and ubiquitous.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 04:20 #722518
Reply to Jamal

Janitorial, yes.

Quoting Jamal
Don't dismiss or denigrate a food just because it's cheap and ubiquitous.


The bitterness of the husk of the walnut works in different contexts, but they don't work as a stand-alone snack in the way almonds do.
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 04:23 #722520
Reply to Noble Dust Yes, I've seen walnuts peeled in some restaurants, no doubt because of this bitterness you speak of.
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 04:24 #722521
Quoting Noble Dust
Janitorial, yes.


Specializing in leaves.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 04:29 #722523
Quoting Jamal
walnuts peeled


Are they raw in this context? When I buy walnuts to put on salads, I think they're maybe roasted, and the bitter husk is just a thin layer that sometimes even falls off. I can't imagine how you'd peel it off.

Quoting Jamal
Specializing in leaves.


I'm a specialist in all dead things that eventually rise again, yeah. Looks good on the janitor resume.
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 04:39 #722525
Quoting Noble Dust
Are they raw in this context? When I buy walnuts to put on salads, I think they're maybe roasted, and the bitter husk is just a thin layer that sometimes even falls off. I can't imagine how you'd peel it off.


I suppose they'd blanched them and then peeled them. It was a fancy restaurant, the one I have in mind.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 04:47 #722526
Reply to Jamal

Are we maybe talking about different things? The walnut of course has the outer shell, but there's also what I described as the "husk" (maybe erroneously) which is the papery thing that still clings to the flesh, which is bitter to the taste. That's what I meant by the husk.
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 05:14 #722536
Reply to Noble Dust That's what I'm talking about too. When you peel it off, the walnut is white-ish and looks like a brain.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 05:17 #722537
Reply to Jamal

Huh; I guess I'm a peasant and never tried doing that. They don't peal walnuts for janitors like me.
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 05:20 #722539
Reply to Noble Dust I wouldn't try doing it myself.

It was a Michelin star restaurant and I asked the waiter "what's this?" because I didn't recognize it without the papery skin or husk. He smiled and said "it's a walnut", and I said "oh", and so it went.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 05:25 #722540
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 06:01 #722543
Reply to Noble Dust Plus it was in France and I probably gave him the impression I was an ignorant barbarian Brit.

Or to be fair, he may have been smiling in innocent delight at introducing me to peeled walnuts.
Hanover July 27, 2022 at 10:06 #722564
Reply to Jamal The proper preparation technique for the perfect walnut experience:

javi2541997 July 27, 2022 at 15:19 #722606
One of the few worthy things of summer is iced green tea. Frosty, tasty and refreshing :up:
Jamal July 27, 2022 at 15:28 #722609
Reply to Hanover That's a lot of work for a single nut.
Noble Dust July 27, 2022 at 18:02 #722624
Reply to Hanover

I didn't know you were a tiktok influencer.
Baden July 27, 2022 at 18:33 #722637
Reply to Hanover

That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Today. Go eat some wild almonds.
Hanover July 27, 2022 at 18:38 #722638
Quoting Baden
That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen.


Sounds like a challenge. Let's see what else I can post...
Hanover July 27, 2022 at 18:58 #722646
Reply to Baden Take a look at this. It came up when I Googled "Stupidest Video on Youtube."



It abruptly ended and kind of left me hanging, but that's the brilliance of it I think.
Hanover July 27, 2022 at 19:09 #722649
Have any of you ever eaten a hickory nut? They fall off the hickory tree in a green pod, and after you peel off the pod, there is a really hard nut inside. It looks like a walnut only smaller and it's really hard. You have to smash it with a rock on the driveway to eat it (that's the only way) and it crushes with the nut meat smashed all in the hard nut. The shell doesn't break away like in a walnut because it's too hard, so you have to pick out little pieces of the hickory nut to eat it. It tastes a little bit like walnut and a little bit like driveway.

They are kind of like crabapples in that they are better for throwing at your brother than for eating.
Hanover July 27, 2022 at 19:12 #722651
As a teenage boy at the cheerleader tryouts.

That's the answer to the question regarding how hard the hickory nut is.

Baden July 27, 2022 at 20:21 #722684
Reply to Hanover

A budding David Lynch there :lol: . I'll take it over the walnut surgery anyhow.





BC July 27, 2022 at 21:23 #722728
Quoting Hanover
It looks like a walnut


Black walnut or English walnut? Black walnuts are richly flavored but very hard to crack and extract the meat from. The husk is excellent for staining clothing. 3M used to make a copy product (Thermofax) that smelled like black walnut husks. It was a great product, except that it attracted squirrels; they'd break into offices and steal the Thermofax sheets, killing anyone who got in their way.

Crab apples are all edible. Whitney and Chestnut crab apples are particularly delicious. Dolgo crabs are mostly good for jelly, and you certainly could throw them at siblings or parents without losing too much.
Baden July 27, 2022 at 22:06 #722760
@Tate

This is not a feedback thread. Feedback comments deleted. You can PM one of us or start a feedback thread if you need to.



L'éléphant July 28, 2022 at 01:20 #722856
Quoting Jamal
That's the weight of a Brazil nut. Impressive.

Yup. Considering the one carrying it weighs nothing.

Quoting Hanover
Whatever. I can carry a whole box of Brazil nuts.

With legs the diameter of a strand of hair? Impressive.

Quoting Noble Dust
Janitorial, yes.

You're gonna be a janitor?


Metaphysician Undercover July 28, 2022 at 01:29 #722863
Quoting L'éléphant
So, I stand corrected Metaphysician Undercover. An ant could carry 5 grams of something.


I don't believe it. That five gram piece of hash was huge. There's no way an ant could have stolen it. That would have required an army of ants.
L'éléphant July 28, 2022 at 02:22 #722870
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I don't believe it. That five gram piece of hash was huge. There's no way an ant could have stolen it. That would have required an army of ants.

Yeah. I couldn't find an ant carrying something that heavy.

But get a load of this. I don't know what fruit that is:

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Noble Dust July 28, 2022 at 02:46 #722876
Reply to L'éléphant

Sounds good to me.
Metaphysician Undercover July 28, 2022 at 10:16 #723070
Reply to L'éléphant
That looks like a piece of apple.
Spider webs are even more amazing:
[quote=https://www.science.org/content/article/spider-silk-five-times-stronger-steel-now-scientists-know-why#:~:text=Spider%20silk%20is%20five%20times,scientists%20know%20why%20%7C%20Science%20%7C%20AAAS]To find out how most spider silk is five times stronger than steel, scientists analyzed the silk that venomous brown recluse spiders use to create their ground webs and hold their eggs, using an atomic force microscope. They found that each strand—which is 1000 times thinner than a human hair—is actually made up of thousands of nanostrands, only 20 millionths of a millimeter in diameter, they reported last month in ACS Macro Letters. Just like a tiny cable, each silk fiber is entirely composed of parallel nanostrands, which they measured to be at least 1 micron long. That may not sound very lengthy, but on a nanoscale, it's at least 50 times as long as these fibers are wide—and researchers believe they could stretch even further.[/quote]
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 10:29 #723079
How much can an uncle lift?
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 10:52 #723089
My least favorite nut is a cashew.

Sorry, I sneezed a second ago when I was talking about my least favorite nut. It's a peanut.

Dad jokes rule
unenlightened July 28, 2022 at 11:35 #723096
Venerate the Grunt


My unconscious read that as a much more interesting topic, and was eager to participate.
Cuthbert July 28, 2022 at 11:49 #723098
Reply to Hanover Do you have a tissue? Sorry, I sneezed. Do you have a handkerchief?
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 13:11 #723121
Quoting Hanover
How much can an uncle lift?


In case this joke was missed, I'm asking how much an uncle can lift because we already talked about how much an ant can lift.

Maybe you guys pronounce "aunt" as ahh-nt and not as ant and didn't get this joke. Otherwise you'd have laughed.

Hanover July 28, 2022 at 13:17 #723123
Quoting unenlightened
My unconscious read that as a much more interesting topic, and was eager to participate.


I think we should venerate the grunt because when the general says "take that hill!," the grunt eagerly runs up the hill, while I get the easier job of staying behind and keeping track of how many grunts are able to return back down the hill.
javi2541997 July 28, 2022 at 13:40 #723127
Has anyone taste Tzatziki? It is a refreshing Greek yoghurt sauce. It is so delicious when you eat it with sesame bread.
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Jamal July 28, 2022 at 13:48 #723128
Reply to javi2541997 :up:

I make it a lot. Good Greek style yoghurt, garlic but not too much, grated cucumber, dill, salt and pepper. A little lemon juice is good too. I don't tend to add olive oil but some do.
Cuthbert July 28, 2022 at 13:55 #723130
Reply to Hanover Missed it. Too busy soaking my facial hair in vodka to make pistachios.
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 13:59 #723131
Quoting Hanover
In case this joke was missed, I'm asking how much an uncle can lift because we already talked about how much an ant can lift.

Maybe you guys pronounce "aunt" as ahh-nt and not as ant and didn't get this joke. Otherwise you'd have laughed.


It took me 10 seconds to get it but I did actually chuckle when it hit home. I pronounce both words the same way. I associate "awnt" with some American accents.
javi2541997 July 28, 2022 at 14:20 #723138
Reply to Jamal :up: :100:
Glad to know you know how to cook it. I have to buy it in Mercadona :rofl: (I guess you know about this market because you were in Spain already)
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 14:28 #723140
Reply to javi2541997 Yes, that’s where I went to get my food until I moved to another part of town and started going to Lidl, where I could get really good Greek yoghurt :grin:
javi2541997 July 28, 2022 at 14:53 #723143
Reply to Jamal :up: :100:
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 15:38 #723148
Quoting Cuthbert
Too busy soaking my facial hair in vodka to make pistachios.


Alright, so let me figure this one out. You have a vodka infused beard and that enables you make a nut that sounds sort of like "mustache" so maybe it has to do with that.

Nope, I got nothing. Help me out with this one.
Cuthbert July 28, 2022 at 16:09 #723151
It's pissed and it's a moustachio. And it's a bad joke. And it's made even worse in the explanation.
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 17:09 #723164
Quoting Cuthbert
It's pissed and it's a moustachio. And it's a bad joke. And it's made even worse in the explanation.


In comparing apples to oranges, your joke wasn't as bad a joke as the video I posted was a bad video.

I think that clarifies it.
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 17:17 #723167
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 17:17 #723168
Did it manually
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 17:19 #723169
Reply to Jamal For the life of me, I can't get that to work. When I type @T Clark, it doesn't make it linkable.
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 17:19 #723170
The mention box doesn't like spaces in names.
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 17:20 #723171
Type @ then "T Clark", no space after the @
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 17:20 #723172
Include the quotation marks
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 17:21 #723173
Now I see. I got it work. @T Clark
Jamal July 28, 2022 at 17:21 #723174
Hanover July 28, 2022 at 17:22 #723175
@T Clark, now that I've figured out how to tag you, I forgot what I was going to ask you.
Noble Dust July 28, 2022 at 17:33 #723181
@T Clark woahhh
javi2541997 July 28, 2022 at 17:51 #723195
Quoting Hanover
now that I've figured out how to tag you, I forgot what I was going to ask you.


LMAO! :rofl:
praxis July 28, 2022 at 18:16 #723199
Quoting Hanover
In case this joke was missed, I'm asking how much an uncle can lift because we already talked about how much an ant can lift.

Maybe you guys pronounce "aunt" as ahh-nt and not as ant and didn't get this joke. Otherwise you'd have laughed.


I got it right away and was like :meh:

I was a bit inwardly tickled by it though, full disclosure.
praxis July 29, 2022 at 01:46 #723310
Reply to javi2541997

I think that I’ve made something like that before. Grating the cucumbers was a chore as I recall but was worth the effort. Served it with some kind of small meatballs or something.
javi2541997 July 29, 2022 at 04:24 #723349
Quoting praxis
Served it with some kind of small meatballs or something.


It seems to be tasty! :razz:
L'éléphant July 29, 2022 at 04:45 #723350
Quoting Noble Dust
Sounds good to me.

Do you like your job?

Quoting javi2541997
Has anyone taste Tzatziki?

The ex introduced me to it. It's very good. I'm making it this weekend.

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Spider webs are even more amazing:

Yes. Another example of superpower. Whatever happened to the future of harvesting spider webs for industrial uses?


Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 05:01 #723355
Quoting L'éléphant
Do you like your job?


I'm not actually a janitor. I just fantasize about being one. Seems like the best possible job.
javi2541997 July 29, 2022 at 05:13 #723359
Quoting L'éléphant
. It's very good. I'm making it this weekend.


Enjoyt it! It is a healthy and refreshing food! :clap:
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 05:24 #723363
@Wosret what's up with your avatar de jour?
L'éléphant July 29, 2022 at 05:37 #723373
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm not actually a janitor. I just fantasize about being one. Seems like the best possible job.

I suppose you get good physical exercise. Not bad.

Quoting javi2541997
Enjoyt it! It is a healthy and refreshing food! :clap:

Will do. Thanks.



Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 05:41 #723375
Quoting L'éléphant
I suppose you get good physical exercise. Not bad.


The humility and simplicity are attractive. If only I was a humble and simple man. Again, I fantasize.
L'éléphant July 29, 2022 at 05:42 #723377
Quoting Noble Dust
The humility and simplicity are attractive. If only I was a humble and simple man. Again, I fantasize.

I can never be a humble and simple person. It's the way I'm drawn in animation.
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 05:43 #723378
Reply to L'éléphant

Elephants seem both humble and beautifully simple to me.
L'éléphant July 29, 2022 at 05:44 #723379
Quoting Noble Dust
Elephants seem both humble and beautifully simple to me.

No, not me. Really, I am superior both in appearance and in emotions. But yes, beautiful, no doubt!
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 05:46 #723382
Reply to L'éléphant

Aha, so you're the most beautiful and most sophisticated Mûmakil.
L'éléphant July 29, 2022 at 05:47 #723384
Quoting Noble Dust
Aha, so you're the most beautiful and most sophisticated Mûmakil.

According to numerous articles, yes! You don't have to believe me -- it's all over the world.
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 05:48 #723386
Reply to L'éléphant

So I should know you as a household name, yes? Any hints?
L'éléphant July 29, 2022 at 05:51 #723387
Quoting Noble Dust
So I should know you as a household name, yes? Any hints?

I don't know about household name. I'm just really superior, so only intelligent people can take a hint. (not sure what hints you mean, but I can never be a janitor for sure).
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 05:54 #723390
Quoting L'éléphant
I'm just really superior, so only intelligent people can take a hint.


Aha, that's where I missed it.
Jamal July 29, 2022 at 06:05 #723395
Quoting praxis
Grating the cucumbers was a chore as I recall but was worth the effort.


:brow:
Metaphysician Undercover July 29, 2022 at 10:31 #723464
Quoting L'éléphant
Whatever happened to the future of harvesting spider webs for industrial uses?


According to the article I quoted, scientists have not yet been able to satisfactorily replicate spider webs artificially. I think they can chemically synthesize the material, but how the spider makes a strand of it so thin, yet so long, (each strand up to 50 times as long as it is thick), still baffles them.
Cuthbert July 29, 2022 at 11:16 #723472
Quoting L'éléphant
Whatever happened to the future of harvesting spider webs for industrial uses?


Spiders get a better return from using the silk to make webs to catch flies than from selling it to industrialists in return for a fly allowance. So they keep the price high and maintain the traditions of their craft.
Hanover July 29, 2022 at 12:52 #723493
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
According to the article I quoted, scientists have not yet been able to satisfactorily replicate spider webs artificially. I think they can chemically synthesize the material, but how the spider makes a strand of it so thin, yet so long, (each strand up to 50 times as long as it is thick), still baffles them.


Actually, a guy named Peter Parker was able to replicate the spiderweb perfectly. Fortunately he used his invention for the forces of good.

Hanover July 29, 2022 at 12:57 #723495
Reply to L'éléphant Know how you can tell if an elephant has been in your refrigerator?

The footprints in the butter.
praxis July 29, 2022 at 13:00 #723497
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
According to the article I quoted, scientists have not yet been able to satisfactorily replicate spider webs artificially. I think they can chemically synthesize the material, but how the spider makes a strand of it so thin, yet so long, (each strand up to 50 times as long as it is thick), still baffles them.


Yeah, well, spiders haven’t been to the moon so they’re not all that and a bag of potato chips.
praxis July 29, 2022 at 13:02 #723500
Reply to Jamal

Fine grate. Scrapped like a mad banshee only to be rewarded with a small portion.
Cuthbert July 29, 2022 at 13:33 #723508
Quoting Hanover
Know how you can tell if an elephant has been in your refrigerator?


It sits on a leaf and waits for autumn.
Michael July 29, 2022 at 15:09 #723533
Quoting praxis
Yeah, well, spiders haven’t been to the moon so they’re not all that and a bag of potato chips.


Neither have you.
T Clark July 29, 2022 at 17:04 #723558
Quoting Hanover
For the life of me, I can't get that to work. When I type T Clark, it doesn't make it linkable.


Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. It even took me a while to figure it out. That's one of the things I liked about "Clarky," but I just couldn't keep using a name that was so inconsistent with my inherent dignity and the profound respect members of the forum feel for me.
praxis July 29, 2022 at 17:09 #723559
Reply to Michael

I was expressing species-wide pride and not personal pride. You make a good point though, I'm nothing to write home about.
Hanover July 29, 2022 at 17:42 #723564
Quoting T Clark
Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. It even took me a while to figure it out. That's one of the things I liked about "Clarky," but I just couldn't keep using a name that was so inconsistent with my inherent dignity and the profound respect members of the forum feel for me.


Then you should probably go ahead and use your whole name of Tennessee Hightop Mountain Clark.
Hanover July 29, 2022 at 17:49 #723565
I've been to the moon. No, wait, that was the grocery store. Never mind.
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 21:21 #723595
The dog days of summer force me to switch from hot to iced coffee, but I really don't enjoy the taste. Too bitter. It's hard life I lead.
Jamal July 29, 2022 at 21:56 #723610
Reply to Noble Dust At least you don't have to face the hellish nightmare of grating cucumbers like @praxis
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 22:06 #723613
Reply to Jamal

True. I just peeled 4 hard boiled eggs, though.
Jamal July 29, 2022 at 22:15 #723615
Reply to Noble Dust it's not easy when your eggs are too fresh. Back when I had chickens I had to leave the eggs for a couple of weeks before they were good for hard boiling.
praxis July 29, 2022 at 22:26 #723617
Reply to Jamal

These things are tough.

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Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 22:36 #723622
Quoting Jamal
it's not easy when your eggs are too fresh.


Indeed. Today's "what's in the fridge" egg salad consisted of eggs, kewpie mayo, generic yellow mustard, chopped dill pickles, chopped pepperoncinis, salt, freshly ground black pepper, dried oregano and Syrian paprika. Served on a seeded bakery roll.
Tom Storm July 29, 2022 at 23:22 #723625


Quoting Noble Dust
Today's "what's in the fridge"


Today's what's in the fridge at my place. A tube of condensed milk; four bottles of assorted chilli sauce; a broken alarm clock and $1000 cash in a plastic bag.
Noble Dust July 29, 2022 at 23:26 #723627
Reply to Tom Storm

I'm afraid to know what's in the freezer.
BC July 30, 2022 at 04:04 #723708
Reply to Tom Storm The refrigerator is not a good place to hide money; thieves and police-look there -- so I am told. Where should Tom put his loot?
Hanover July 30, 2022 at 11:56 #723820
Quoting Jamal
it's not easy when your eggs are too fresh. Back when I had chickens I had to leave the eggs for a couple of weeks before they were good for hard boiling.


I never heard of a relationship between egg freshness and boiling. I boil them (steam them reallly) straight out the chicken. What is the aging process supposed to do?
jorndoe July 30, 2022 at 12:27 #723827
Maybe someone finds this interesting:

Cultural and Political maps of Europe

Most of the data is from after 2010.

Things like language skills, democracy, freedom, acceptance of homosexuality, abortion, privately owned weapons, etc.

Jamal July 30, 2022 at 12:36 #723831
Reply to Hanover It's easier to get the shell cleanly off the soft inner flesh when they're old. Not sure why.
Jamal July 30, 2022 at 12:40 #723833
According to thankchickens.com, "Older eggs are easier to peel because the egg white shrinks, leaving more space between the shell and the egg".

On the other hand, fresh is of course best for poaching and frying.
Hanover July 30, 2022 at 14:15 #723865
Reply to Jamal I've seen that the older eggs float in the water. I figured it had to do with fermenting gasses or something.

An egg fact: natural antibiotics preserve the eggs without refrigeration, but in the US, they steam clean the shells for sanitation, so all store bought eggs are refrigerated.
praxis July 30, 2022 at 15:00 #723873
I’m not really a ‘boiled egg guy’ but I made some last week. The method I looked up said to boil water in a pot, then turn off the heat, add eggs, cover, wait for 12 minutes, then cool the eggs with cold water and enjoy. The author of this method claims it will prevent overcooking and the green tint to yokes that indicates overcooking. My yokes were good so the method worked like a champ for me. The egg shells were unpleasant to chew, however.
javi2541997 July 30, 2022 at 15:03 #723874
Quoting jorndoe
Cultural and Political maps of Europe

Most of the data is from after 2010.


We have reached 485 - 499 in Average national PISA score for reading. I am so happy. The previous years were catastrophic.
Nevertheless, we still suck on percentage of English speakers. The blue colour seems to be pretty pallid so it means < 20 %.
T Clark July 30, 2022 at 15:59 #723889
Quoting jorndoe
Maybe someone finds this interesting


I do. Love maps. Lot's of good evidence for future arguments.

Thanks.
SophistiCat July 30, 2022 at 18:34 #723921
Quoting Hanover
I've seen that the older eggs float in the water. I figured it had to do with fermenting gasses or something.


Huh. They would have to bloat like corpses in order for gasses to change their buoyancy. Either that or something would have to leak in or out. Us ignorant folks usually assume that eggshells are brittle and impervious, so not sure what's going on there.


When I want to boil an egg, I just crack and pour it into a bowl with water and then pop it into a microwave for a couple of minutes. When it's done, there's a space saucer-shaped soft-boiled egg floating in the bowl - no peeling needed.
BC July 31, 2022 at 00:40 #723999
Reply to jorndoe The map site you linked up is quite interesting. Hopefully the data behind the maps is very good too. Thanks!

Another good data / image site is the Visual Capitalist. If you are not familiar with it, you might find it interesting.

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praxis July 31, 2022 at 02:37 #724036
.01% of all biomass and we’re doing a pretty good job of fucking it all up. We’re awesome. :death:
Noble Dust July 31, 2022 at 04:15 #724056
Reply to Bitter Crank

I accidentally read that whole graph in an English accent. Cool stuff.
L'éléphant July 31, 2022 at 04:18 #724057
Quoting Hanover
Know how you can tell if an elephant has been in your refrigerator?

The footprints in the butter.

Hah! I knew it!! Astute.

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
According to the article I quoted, scientists have not yet been able to satisfactorily replicate spider webs artificially. I think they can chemically synthesize the material, but how the spider makes a strand of it so thin, yet so long, (each strand up to 50 times as long as it is thick), still baffles them.

Replicate? I thought they were growing the real spider web for its property that could not be replicated in the lab.

Quoting Cuthbert
Spiders get a better return from using the silk to make webs to catch flies than from selling it to industrialists in return for a fly allowance. So they keep the price high and maintain the traditions of their craft.

I actually thought about this. If spiders could make business deals, I think they wouldn't trade their web for the world. Have you observed an actual spider web with a fly and the spider nearby just content watching its catch of the day? Really, nature at its best. No greed, no waste. The spider is happy, but not in a hurry.


Noble Dust July 31, 2022 at 04:23 #724058
Reply to L'éléphant

Last night on my cigarette walk I nearly ran into a web containing a 1-inch diameter spider; a very multi-colored fellow. Reminded me of the type I would find on the evergreen bush in front of my grandmother's house as a child. Needless to say I spent some time observing it, but not too closely, until a car passed and I felt a bit self-conscious. A random shoutbox anecdote for you.
L'éléphant July 31, 2022 at 04:27 #724060
Reply to Noble Dust Thank you. Nice anecdote. I like reading things like this. Damn car!
Noble Dust July 31, 2022 at 04:34 #724064
Reply to L'éléphant

The street lights weren't doing the spider any favors, so it wasn't much of a loss. I was trying to get a better angle when the car approached, hence my embarrassment.
L'éléphant July 31, 2022 at 04:38 #724065
Quoting Noble Dust
when the car approached, hence my embarrassment.

Yeah, thereby destroying your reverie.
Noble Dust July 31, 2022 at 04:41 #724066
Reply to L'éléphant

Yeah exactly. I imagined the driver viewing me as some crazed homeless guy with a cigarette in his mouth contorting his body at a weird angle to look at something that, to the driver's perspective, wasn't even there. I quickly rited myself and started walking as normally as possible. :lol:
javi2541997 July 31, 2022 at 04:46 #724067
Good morning. It is 06:43 AM. It has rained this night and there is a refreshing smell of wet land in my room. Cloudburst in summer are the best :flower:
BC July 31, 2022 at 04:55 #724069
Quoting Noble Dust
Last night on my cigarette walk I nearly ran into a web containing a 1-inch diameter spider;


My idea of a nightmare. I've gotten better at coping with spiders, but they still bother me -- especially the webs. Big spiders unnerve me. This goes back to childhood -- 70 years ago. Don't know how it got started. Walking into a big web at night would be very bad.

I've gotten better about dealing with centipedes. The other night I was opening a window in the basement and there was an extra big centipede on the sill of the window. In the past I would have freaked out and found something to hit it with. Now I remember that centipedes are meat eating hunters and I like having agents at work oppressing 6 and 8 legged creatures in the cellar.

Noble Dust July 31, 2022 at 05:05 #724072
Reply to Bitter Crank

I don't have a spider phobia, but that doesn't mean I'm not a bit freaked out from time to time. In this situation, being outside on a balmy night with plenty of clearance, I was fascinated to see this jumbo thing. Again, the outdoor setting brought back a positive memory from childhood. Indoors, I'm probably less thrilled.

Quoting Bitter Crank
I've gotten better about dealing with centipedes.


Same! Not sure which type you refer to, but in the midwest I grew up with "house" centipedes, the ones with hairily thin legs that ran around the basement. I used to have a phobia, but gradually grew out of it, when I learned, as you say, that they eat spiders. I don't have the spider phobia, but I just thought that was cool, and it made them more badass in my mind. I see them once in a while in NY, and calmly just look the other way. Big believer in not harming life forms.
jorndoe July 31, 2022 at 07:30 #724099
Reply to Bitter Crank, way cool :up:
jorndoe July 31, 2022 at 07:59 #724110
Not trying to add to the creep factor or anything, but ...
Scientists reanimate dead spiders as robot gripping claws (Jul 28, 2022)

L'éléphant July 31, 2022 at 17:22 #724274
Quoting Noble Dust
I quickly rited myself and started walking as normally as possible. :lol:

Like any upright citizen that you are! Good job. :grin:
Tom Storm July 31, 2022 at 22:58 #724337
Quoting Noble Dust
Last night on my cigarette walk I nearly ran into a web containing a 1-inch diameter spider; a very multi-colored fellow.


The spiders here are hairy and grey and around 4-5 inches. They like to park themselves on my ceiling. Occasionally they drop down onto us, unwelcome abseilers into our lives. Our cat likes to eat them. Sticking out of his mouth you will sometimes see a set of wriggling legs. Cats look upon spiders the way we view lobster.
Tate August 01, 2022 at 00:34 #724350
Quoting Tom Storm
Our cat likes to eat them. Sticking out of his mouth you will sometimes see a set of wriggling legs.


Do you have a picture?
Noble Dust August 01, 2022 at 03:08 #724398
Reply to Tom Storm

I imagine you as a character out of a Guillmero Del Toro film.
Tom Storm August 01, 2022 at 03:16 #724402
Reply to Noble Dust My cat's from a Del Toro film - as an Aussie, I'm unfortunately from a Baz Luhrmann film - too much color and movement and questionable music.
javi2541997 August 01, 2022 at 04:34 #724420
Good Morning. It is 06:33 AM. Say hello to the first day of august! We are in the eighth month of 2022 already!
Noble Dust August 01, 2022 at 05:02 #724425
Quoting Tom Storm
too much color and movement and questionable music.


That doesn't suit you at all; I think you're an honorary Del Toro.


Noble Dust August 01, 2022 at 05:02 #724426
Reply to javi2541997

Why are you so happy?
javi2541997 August 01, 2022 at 05:27 #724432
Reply to Noble Dust

Because today is my dad's 57th birthday
Noble Dust August 01, 2022 at 05:33 #724434
Reply to javi2541997

Oh! Happy birthday, javi2541997's dad.
javi2541997 August 01, 2022 at 05:49 #724440
Reply to Noble Dust

My dad said: ¡Gracias! Thank you!
Noble Dust August 01, 2022 at 05:56 #724442
Reply to javi2541997

De nada. Maybe ask your dad why he's so happy.
javi2541997 August 01, 2022 at 06:14 #724445
Reply to Noble Dust

No he is not happy at all. I was happy a few hours ago because I thought he would like my present but he already discovered it...
Noble Dust August 01, 2022 at 07:14 #724463
Reply to javi2541997

My bad, dude. Best of luck.
praxis August 01, 2022 at 13:47 #724554
Reply to javi2541997

Let me guess, you got him a exercise bike and now he’s upset because he thinks that you think he’s fat.
javi2541997 August 01, 2022 at 14:29 #724565
Reply to praxis

:rofl:

No! The issue started when he opened a box thinking it wasn't important but it turned out that there was the present. When I saw him I shouted: "Hey, those clothes are literally your present!" And he answered like "OK?... do not worry I don't care"
praxis August 01, 2022 at 15:05 #724571
Reply to javi2541997

I’m sure he appreciates the gesture on some level.
javi2541997 August 01, 2022 at 15:24 #724577
Reply to praxis

He actually liked it! :blush:
praxis August 01, 2022 at 23:03 #724660
Dinner last night:
Grilled wild-caught salmon over a bed of sauteed organic mushrooms. The sautee was with onion, herms, salt & pepper, regular garlic & some black garlic, some of the Decoy Pinot I was drink'n at the time, and several drops of other things found bottled in the fridge. Turned out rather bland, unfortunately. Fortunately, my wife's sense of taste has been compromised by her current case of COVID so she was none the wiser. I was saved by the VID. Bet you don't hear that too often.
Noble Dust August 02, 2022 at 03:33 #724738
Reply to praxis

I'm having a hard time imagining that meal as bland. Perhaps you're your own worst critic. Maybe the Decoy Pinot ruined it; it's ruined many things in many ways.
praxis August 02, 2022 at 03:44 #724739
Quoting Noble Dust
Decoy Pinot ruined it; it's ruined many things in many ways.


Really? I was never a 'pinot guy' until I discovered Decoy pinot. Do you know of a commonly available superior choice in the same price range?
praxis August 02, 2022 at 03:50 #724746
Tonight's dinner:
Wild-caught shrimp scampi over homegrown romaine & onion and organic kale. A shrimp salad basically. The scampi sauce works quite well as a salad dressing, particularly with a generous amount of parmesan.
Noble Dust August 02, 2022 at 03:51 #724747
Quoting praxis
Do you know of a commonly available superior choice in the same price range?


No, sorry. I work in the wind industry, largely in the natural wine sector, so in my world we tend to avoid mass produced wine in general. Sorry to be an asshole. If you're in the market for a domestic Pinot, I can recommend Montebruno out of Oregon. Not sure where you are or how available it is, it's a small production wine. Wow that was quite an asshole post; I'm sorry.
praxis August 02, 2022 at 03:53 #724748
Quoting Noble Dust
I work in the wind industry


Okay, any advice on purchasing my own wind turbine?
Noble Dust August 02, 2022 at 03:55 #724750
Reply to praxis

My advice here is to save your allowance money, preferably in a used coffee tin. Count it every day to make sure how much is in there. Keep in mind that wind turbines are expensive, but the key is patience. Do your chores everyday and don't get lazy.