I went to a silent auction last night and refused to accept defeat, vastly over-paying for some Waffle House swag, which included a beach towel, coffee mug, T-shirt, waffle mix, and syrup and some pens and other such junk.
All I can say, to whoever it was I beat, IN YOUR FACE!
That' gonna kill you someday -- there's not even a 'theme' in your selection: beach towel, waffle mix, pens?
Well, they created the basket, and I entered my bid.
My sons and I used to eat at Waffle House often. It was our thing. We'd play "Ring of Fire" on the jukebox every time we went. My son tells me he still does that when he's there with his friends. The song reminds me of pecan waffles to this day.
Waffle House sentimentality. I bet you never knew there was such a thing..
The blandest food of all time is unsalted potato salad. The most boring time to eat it is at 10:30 am. The most uninteresting way to eat it is with a spoon from a saucer while sitting on a steel folding chair in front of a wobbling round metal table without drink or napkin.
Following that, if you lie your head flat ear to table and try to fall asleep, that will be the least fun meal ever.
If I tinker with the story a bit and have a skinhead juggling fiery chainsaws in the room, well then, that would be something to talk about at the water cooler the next day.
The blandest food of all time is unsalted potato salad. The most boring time to eat it is at 10:30 am. The most uninteresting way to eat it is with a spoon from a saucer while sitting on a steel folding chair in front of a wobbling round metal table without drink or napkin.
My sons and I used to eat at Waffle House often. It was our thing. We'd play "Ring of Fire" on the jukebox every time we went.
When we went to Rumley's when I was in high school, my friend Bruce and I always ordered two chili-dogs and a coke each. Then we played "Hey Jude" twice for a quarter. The music would last through the whole meal.
When we went to Rumley's when I was in high school, my friend Bruce and I always ordered two chili-dogs and a coke each. Then we played "Hey Jude" twice for a quarter. The music would last through the whole meal.
I used to go down to the Tastee Freez with Diane and order a chili dog and we'd play this:
The blandest food of all time is unsalted potato salad. The most boring time to eat it is at 10:30 am. The most uninteresting way to eat it is with a spoon from a saucer while sitting on a steel folding chair in front of a wobbling round metal table without drink or napkin.
Following that, if you lie your head flat ear to table and try to fall asleep, that will be the least fun meal ever.
The problem is you can never maintain those heights of blandness. In time, you'd become attuned to all sorts of nuances nobody else would notice. Oh it's Yukon Golds this time, I can detect that hint of aggressive crunch to the potato chunks, and so on.
Eventually you'd look forward to 10:30, anticipating the spoon's clink against the saucer.
The next time you're exposed to true blandness, savor the moment as if it will never come again, because it probably won't.
The blandest food of all time is unsalted potato salad. The most boring time to eat it is at 10:30 am.
On a Tuesday.
This morning, freshly filleted lightly salted hot-smoked Siberian trout with one home-poached free-range chicken's egg, served on a small hand-toasted slice of pumpernickel, with salt milled to 1 millimetre, black peppercorns freshly ground in a pestel and mortar, plus a small dollop of 20% fat sour cream.
This morning, freshly filleted lightly salted hot-smoked Siberian trout with one home-poached free-range chicken's egg, served on a small hand-toasted slice of pumpernickel, with salt milled to 1 millimetre, black peppercorns freshly ground in a pestel and mortar, plus a small dollop of 20% fat sour cream.
I was preparing this same dish to virtually share it with you, but we don't have millimeters in the US, so I was unable to make it.
They use the SI system for science here, so you could get a scientist to grind the salt for you. Or you could try it yourself, keeping in mind that a millimetre is approximately 1.5 inches.
Reply to Hanover Don't worry, they were Russian millimetres, which are obviously bigger and more aggressive than normal millimetres, and totally non-commensurable.
I again enjoyed my egg and nut breakfast this morning. I share a piece of Swiss cheese with the animals. One bite for me, a bite for the cat, a bite for the dog, and then a bite for the other dog. We do that until finished. Based upon how eagerly they await this routine, it appears much more exciting for them than me. I mean it's just cheese after all.
Reply to Vincent Hello Vincent. The first five posts of every new member go to pre-moderation to be approved by a member of the staff. I just approved your first two. Welcome.
Reply to javi2541997 Hi Javi, thank you.
I don't know much about philosophy, but recently I'm very interested to know more. Didn't know this forum existed. Happy to discover it and maybe learn from it
Today is my first day off in awhile, and I have the apartment to myself. The best feeling ever. Coffee, breakfast, and I randomly got a short story idea. I was going to head into the city, but will only do so if the magic wears off and I feel ready for the bustle.
Reply to Noble Dust Drug buyers coming and going. perhaps? Communist cell members delivering explosives and subversive pamphlets? Maybe your neighbors can't decide whether they should stay or go, so they bounce back and forth between the front steps and their front door? I have had that problem -- just can't quite leave, can't quite stay.
Today is my first day off in awhile, and I have the apartment to myself.
You should move out to the country, eat a lot of peaches, pet goat ears, get the chickens off the top of the coop and throw them in the coop, yell at the dog when he chases the goats, block the cat from darting out the door, put the chihuahuas under the covers, and wait for it to be warm enough to jump in the pool.
I tried this for a week but I ended up caught and sealed in a tin only to be released and eaten on pumpernickel by an old Trotskyite. I wouldn't advocate this lifestyle choice...
Guys, it was just a joke. They aren't actually removing the Snickers dick vein.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/meet-twitter-troll-started-wing-124459989.html
Carry on.
You should move out to the country, eat a lot of peaches, pet goat ears, get the chickens off the top of the coop and throw them in the coop, yell at the dog when he chases the goats, block the cat from darting out the door, put the chihuahuas under the covers, and wait for it to be warm enough to jump in the pool.
What's your addy? I'm on my way. Useless animal hearder intern has always been on the backburner.
I did have a nice three mile walk to Chinatown. I got some cheap barbecued meats over rice and cabbage. I felt like a pro, asking for the secret green sauce. I then took the train to my favorite bookstore and found a copy of We by Yevgeny Zamyatin. Apparently Orwell's inspiration for 1984. I am now back in my sardine can watching the world go by out my bedroom window. It's a rather small window, only a few millimeters square, so more like 2 feet by 4 feet.
[quote=Hau Tak Leighton Tam]Essentially, a Sovereign Citizen is someone who wants all the benefits and none of the responsibilities of being a citizen.[/quote]
They advertise their "sovereignty" on their (unlicensed) license plates as well:
ArmChairPhilosopherApril 28, 2022 at 09:22#6874170 likes
Reply to jamalrob Hi,
how long does it usually take to approve a post? I posted yesterday on the brain upload thread but that post seems to be stuck in limbo.
ArmChairPhilosopherApril 28, 2022 at 09:22#6874180 likes
I'm actually now writing a tome on animals and their relationship with cheese. I've chosen to write it in French because that will give it a more scholarly continental feel. I currently know that "fromage" means cheese and dog is "chien," but I'll need to look up some other words in order to complete the work.
I'll send it to you on a floppy disk when I'm finished so you can review it.
My favorite French words are fiancé versus fiancée because I use them to make a final clarification regarding pronoun selection. For example, let's say you ask someone which pronouns they use, they might say he, she, they or whatever, but, to be complete, you need to ask if they would be a fiancé or a fiancée if they were engaged to be married. That way you can know that.
A voting system would be unfair... "vote down" other's posts is just a subjective criteria. If you do not like a specific thread do not take part in it. Simple.
For example, there are some risky threads where the members debate about wars and politics. These thread would full of down votes just for personal beliefs
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understood, I suppose it was abused.
Youtube had it's voting system abused as well, but fixed the problem by limiting votes to upvotes only.
hey guys, this forums needs a voting system.
each member can vote up or vote down other member posts.
What do you think, is this possible?
It’s built in to the software but optional. We’ve tried it twice and on both occasions the whining, kvetching bellyachers among the membership dominated the debate, so we turned it off.
hey guys, this forums needs a voting system.
each member can vote up or vote down other member posts.
What do you think, is this possible?
We don't need it. We know when we make good post and when they are bad.
Make a bad post and everyone will jump all over you calling BS. Make a good post and someone will respond with intelligent interaction. Anything in between will be met with various degrees of corrective measures or advise.
Have also been reading Yevgeny Zamyatin's We. :yikes: been feeling a bit anti-utopia lately.
Holy shit. I know that this is going to sound sort of weird, but I found the audio version of We a few weeks ago and it is on the "listen to" list for May.
I am on a post-apocalyptic / dystopian book run right night. Ghost in the Machine by Barbara J. Hancock is the next on my list and then I was going to start We. Don't post anything else about it please I hate knowing what books are about before I start them.
I'm actually now writing a tome on animals and their relationship with cheese. I've chosen to write it in French because that will give it a more scholarly continental feel. I currently know that "fromage" means cheese and dog is "chien," but I'll need to look up some other words in order to complete the work.
Make sure you open a thread in Metaphysics to discuss this important book.
Nope, but I did read a Russian sci-fi last year called Roadside Picnic. Baden mentioned reading it somewhere and I thought that if he were reading it that it must be good. It’s kinda gritty and dark with a intriguing unexpected twist.
I've spent the better part of the last two days on my opening line of my book with the help of Google Translate.
Here it is:
"Les animaux adorent le fromage et le mangent avec leur bouche. Je le sais parce que je l'ai vu de mes yeux."
I can take criticism. What do you think so far? Be honest.
If this is the opening, do not use les animaux. Keep the readers guessing who you're talking about. Use "ils" instead. Say, ils aiment le fromage. Then, "parce que je l'ai vu de mes propres yeux".
Aussi, what is this for "le mangent avec leur bouche"?. Use a metaphor for this, not straight out telling the obvious.
Reply to Baden The Godfather and the Shining spring to mind as likely candidates too, from what I've heard, though I haven't read the books myself, and probably never will. 2001: A Space Odyssey, that's better than the book. Blade Runner? Maybe, maybe not.
I think I preferred the book for 'The Shining'. I did like the movie too, although Stephen King didn't, partly because Jack Nicholson going nuts wasn't much of a transition. :lol:
The Godfather and the Shining spring to mind as likely candidates too, from what I've heard, though I haven't read the books myself, and probably never will. 2001: A Space Odyssey, that's better than the book. Blade Runner? Maybe, maybe not.
It's funny. I was thinking about this and all I can think of is movies that I love just as much as the books.
"French Lieutenant's Woman"
"Little Big Man"
"Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" and "Smiley's People" (BBC TV version)
"Princess Bride"
There are others I wouldn't watch because I didn't want to ruin my memories of the books.
"Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" by John Le Carre (Gary Oldman version, although I heard it was good.)
I’ve read Roadside Picnic and agree with @jamalrob and @Baden about the film "Stalker" being better, but I seem to have enjoyed the book more than some overall. It's very different and has a totally different atmosphere.
If God had wanted us to read books or to watch feature length movies, he wouldn't have created Tik Tok.
I asked my son why all of Tik Tok consisted of rednecks screaming at each other, and he explained that my content was modified by my interests. I'd have thought I would have been assessed a little more sophisticated, but they weren't exactly wrong.
The TV version, with Alec Guinness, is the best filmed/video work I have ever seen. I've watched it 5 times and each time I do, I can't believe how good it is. I can't read any of Le Carre's books about George Smiley, and I've read them all at least twice, without picturing Guinness in the role.
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The role of an alien entity being able to produce "what you want" as an experiment to learn more about your species is scary as heck.
Have you noticed; actually, I'm sure you haven't; that gay male porn is better - more convincing - than straight. It's probably because men don't have to pretend they're enjoying themselves. My (limited number of) sexual partners have all been women, but I've been known to watch gay porn.
Have you noticed; actually, I'm sure you haven't; that gay male porn is better - more convincing - than straight. It's probably because men don't have to pretend they're enjoying themselves. My (limited number of) sexual partners have all been women, but I've been known to watch gay porn.
It might be, and I'm no sexologusr to be sure, that the convincing nature of male porn you've noticed is that men are required to have actual, and not simulated, orgasms. Unlike a woman who simply needs to pant "YES," a man has to ejaculate,, an exceedingly difficult maneuver to fake.
Reply to Noble Dust I pronounce it Jamal Rob and it's formed from the first letters of each part of my three part name. Jam Al Rob. Its pretty crap but I feel it's too late to change it. Just "Jamal" would be an improvement and wouldn't confuse people too much. Hm, I might do that...
Woah. My world has been turned upside down. Seriously though, I pronounce your (old?) name "jaMAL rob". Correct? Or, alternatively, "JAMal rob?" Also, in case you were wondering, my name is pronounced noBEEL doost.
Edit: I don't know my watcha-ma-call-it, but it's a long "a" in jaMAL, vs. a short, American "a" in JAMal.
That's why I dislike sans-serif typefaces. I can live with it.
I live for sans-serif. The bleakness draws ones attention to the words themselves. No ornament or distraction. The awkwardness of your "l" is simply a feature of your new name. Live with the consequences of your decision.
That said, I like "Jamae". It's out of left field.
A clue to @Hanover's username on the Wikipedia page for the House of Hanover:
"Many towns and provinces across the British Empire were named after the ruling House of Hanover and its members, among them the U.S. state of Georgia."
The fondness people have, or think they have, for sans-serif typefaces, is not to be trusted or heeded. Most books are in serif typefaces, for good reasons, and they don't complain about that, do they? Eh?
clue to Hanover's username on the Wikipedia page for the House of Hanover:
Time spent Googling my name is time well spent.
From Wiki: "The Jamal Clan of the Western Lowlands became so synonymous with petty theft and larceny that finally it was decreed by Sir Lord Duke Ellington of Schropshirestone that they 'shall be banished forthwith and scattered throughout the globe,' with some landing as far as the Russian Empire, with most being relegated to eking out meager existences as vodka infused nternet clerks."
Many towns and provinces across the British Empire were named after the ruling House of Hanover and its members, among them the U.S. state of Georgia."
I do know that Georgia was named after that fucker King George II, but know little about him because I never fucking cared much. My assumption is he happened to be king when Georgia was colonized and in need of a name, so they gave it to that fucker. I saw a deed hanging on a fucker's wall once that showed he had received his land as an original conveyance from George II and I immediately bowed and kissed that fucker's ring. I go apeshit around royalty.
The George I do know about was III because he was king at the time of the Revolution and I also understand he was fuckshit crazy.. The kings and their numbers makes it quite confusing, which us why in the US, we've only had one set of kings, George I and George II, both from the House of Bush, for confusifucking sake.
I'm trying out a new speech pattern, seeing if it fucking catches on.
The fondness people have, or think they have, for sans-serif typefaces, is not to be trusted or heeded. Most books are in serif typefaces, for good reasons, and they don't complain about that, do they? Eh?
I don't usually get all the excitement about type faces. As long as it's simple and easy to read. Nothing Gothic, script, or showy. I guess serif feels a little more formal. What does it take to make a typeface disappear into the words? Not draw attention to itself? Wouldn't that be ideal?
What does it take to make a typeface disappear into the words? Not draw attention to itself? Wouldn't that be ideal?
I'm not sure exactly what it takes, but it doesn't take much these days, because humans have a few hundred years of experience with printing, a great variety of typefaces to choose from, and a hundred years of dedicated typeface design and refinement. It's not often that I'm distracted by the typeface when I'm reading a book.
What we do know is that serif typefaces are easier to read for blocks of text, as in books and newspapers and online articles, and philosophy forums--which is why I'd prefer this forum to use a serif font. But when asked which they prefer, people will judge according to their subjective aesthetic tastes, not according to readability or legibility, i.e., precisely when they're looking at the typeface instead of using it, so to speak--which is why people with no experience of design should not be consulted on these matters. I sound quite elitist don't I?
I think what intrigues me is that people put so much thought and effort into something that seems so small. But I guess that's how the world works - things look small until they don't work.
The Hanover font: https://ifonts.xyz/hanover-font.html
Described as:
"A modern & minimalist typeface specifically made for luxury, fashion and stylish statement with it’s unique flare that makes it perfect for beautiful headlines, branding, logotypes & display usage. This all-caps typeface is also perfect for creating outstanding logos, promotional content and marketing graphics that can really grab attention from your visitors."
Not to worry, there's a Clark font as well: https://www.dafont.com/clark.font#:~:text=Clark%20is%20a%20smooth%2C%20bold,in%20all%20of%20the%20above.
Described as:
"Clark is a smooth, bold, non-angular, largely uniform art-deco typeface designed to invoke a bit of a science-fiction feel. Includes full alphabet, extended character set, euro. Includes bold, italic, bold-italic, and hollow weights in all of the above."
"A child-like scribble used to express feelings of a failed adulthood. Most often seen in psychiatric asylum records created by the most disturbed patients/inmates. The inconsistent use of the serif and the speckled vomit like punctuation marks are its most recognizable features."
Wow, that's a fucked up font, but I guess it would come in handy for that niche market.
"A modern & minimalist typeface specifically made for luxury, fashion and stylish statement with it’s unique flare that makes it perfect for beautiful headlines, branding, logotypes & display usage. This all-caps typeface is also perfect for creating outstanding logos, promotional content and marketing graphics that can really grab attention from your visitors."
Looks ok, but what's with that little droop in the A crossbar? Maybe trying just a little too hard to be stylish, get people's attention. Does that remind us of anyone?
How much food do you guys keep stored for emergencies? I'm wondering if that's something I should do.
I'm gonna answer this literally. I don't know if this has something to do with the ongoing topic of font.
I don't store foods for emergency. I figured, if it came down to having to scour for food when apocalypse came, I'd go to the supermarket (which would be full of people I'm sure) or other people's homes (no breaking and entering laws anymore). I'm sure that there'd be much more serious concerns.
don't store foods for emergency. I figured, if it came down to having to scour for food when apocalypse came, I'd go to the supermarket (which would be full of people I'm sure) or other people's homes (no breaking and entering laws anymore). I'm sure that there'd be much more serious concerns.
I'd agree that a can of dehydrated chicken would offer limited comfort following, say, a nuclear holocaust, but imagining a lesser catastrophe, like a fuel distribution problem or a temporary weather event, wouldn't some stored food be helpful?
Or maybe go in another direction here and use it as a
great time to lose a few pounds, and come out on the other end looking smoking hot.
Maybe what our nation needs is an armageddon to make us prettier people.
Reply to Hanover One should store food one actually likes. No bags of dried beans for me. Some Bush's Grillin Beans would be far more appealing. Quality sardines, please. Pasta imported from Italy (higher protein, better texture). Up-market spaghetti sauce. Screw Prego. Freeze dried peaches, strawberry, apples, and mango. Hey -- if I have to spend all day shooting zombies, I want something decent to eat. DelMonte tomatoes, dried mushrooms, shelf-stable whole milk, etc. Canned artichoke hearts; Campbell's "cream of" soup for casseroles (be sure to lay on a dozen tanks of propane).
And we will all roast together when we roast
No one will still be serving at their post
When we all come from the broiler, aristocrat and toiler,
We will all be quite brightly glowing ghosts.
Little known fact: The elevated train network in Chicago was built in expectation of the zombie apocalypse. The trains are accessible only by stairs and, you know, zombies can't limb stairs. If there were too many Zombies in Oak Park, one could take the train to the loop for a while.
?Hanover If you just stop eating, your body will slam into starvation mode to avoid weight loss.
That seems not to have worked in any of the famous food famines. But giving credit to you, it's one of the reasons diets don't work as well as they should. My preferred (and proven) method of weight loss is to get cancer or a severe infection. A few weeks of sickness or recovery from surgery (especially if they put you on a liquid diet) will trim pounds off like magic.
Hint: best practice is to have a cancer or infection that won't kill you too quickly.
but imagining a lesser catastrophe, like a fuel distribution problem or a temporary weather event, wouldn't some stored food be helpful?
Hmm. Walking can be performed in such situations. Weather events -- most places would not have to suffer with food due to weather events. But yes, I get your point.
A few weeks of sickness or recovery from surgery (especially if they put you on a liquid diet) will trim pounds off like magic.
No, not a good way to lose weight. You'd lose muscles, too, which are the ones that hold your appearance together. I used to run, and do workout in the yard -- like putting up bricks (whatever the hell people do with bricks in the yard). I did these on purpose as a workout. Would walk 5 miles a day, too. (now I got busy with work, I cut down on exercise, but I still do it every day).
Metaphysician UndercoverMay 02, 2022 at 01:37#6895390 likes
I collect rice. Once the rice bag gets bellow the 1 cup mark, I buy a new one. In this way, I always have rice on hand, just in case, but I always buy a new bag rather than use up the 3/5ths cup that's left in the old bag. I now have countless bags of almost empty, almost expired rice on hand.
What would really work would be some null-entropy bins that keep food fresh for extremely long periods of time. A 50 year old perfect strawberry. The Harkonnens used them on No Ships.
Reply to L'éléphant Of course getting sick is a bad way to lose weight -- I didn't plan on getting sick. It is just that it worked so well. Depression can result in one becoming gaunt or fat.
Once upon a time I biked, ran, walked, swam, and did calisthenics, sometimes a rowing machine or stair climber. As an arthritic 75 year old, not so much. I'm pretty sure exercising was the cause of my painful joints. Not too much time left, then... pffft.
Reply to Noble Dust A small amount of left over rice by its very poverty of quantity becomes impure, suspect, and unwholesome. The last can on the shelf, the last slice of bread, the last quarter cup of milk, likewise. I mean really: Why has nobody else bought that last can of tuna; there must be something wrong with it. If everyone else has avoided that last slice of bread, why should I martyr myself?
Canned foods I trust, though. The canning process must be so high-tech that it would take a miracle of science for some sort of bacteria or disease to weasel it's way into that sterling enclosure.
Be sure to wash your rice. All rice has a certain amount of arsenic in it. You can reduce your arsenic intake by washing it before you cook it, and California Basmati rice has less of it. About 2/3 of the rice I eat is brown California Basmati.
Reply to Baden I want to first thank you for the rice you sent me.
Even though I am now to learn that you sent the rice to me to slowly raise my blood arsenic levels, poisoning me and all close to me in the slowest way possible, the joy you have brought to the Hanover family and all those in my village with your grain drop offs cannot not be adequately conveyed. It was like manna from heaven as those bags marked "Baden Disaster Relief" fell to the earth. We would bat the flies from our eyes, run desperately to the broken sacks, and force handfuls of that crunchy rice goodness down our throats.
The elevated train network in Chicago was built in expectation of the zombie apocalypse.
In line with a recent thread, if knowledge is justified true belief; which requires that knowledge be true, that you believe it is true, and that it be justified; what is it called when you don't believe it, it isn't true, and there is no justification?
Happy Second of May Uprising! It is the main day of my natal region: Madrid!It is also called Dos de Mayo. it took part in 1808 when a popular militia kicked the Napoleon's troops out of Spain.
Goya painted one of the most historical paintings of this revolutionary event.
what is it called when you don't believe it, it isn't true, and there is no justification?
What's not to be believed? They had a map and everything. It's a well known fact that zombies can not climb stairs. It all fits together so it must be true.
Excellent joke. You should be a comedy writer OR you heard that joke and have a good memory.
My mom always had copies of the Reader’s Digest in the downstairs bathroom when I was growing up. Probably read it there while doing my business and it’s been floating around in my subconscious all this time waiting for an opportunity.
Two hunters are out in the woods when one of them collapses. He’s not breathing and his eyes are glazed. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls 911.
“I think my friend is dead!” he yells. “What can I do?”
The operator says, “Calm down. First, let’s make sure he’s dead.”
There’s a silence, then a shot. Back on the phone, the guy says, “OK, now what?”
I am admittedly surprised by the lack of political or even business leader assassinations in the West right now. Perhaps that particular pot is ready or getting there.
I am also ready to be disappointed by liberals who care more for instituional rule than anything principled (re: the US burning, not assasination).
Reply to Noble Dust I know right! And have you noticed how persuasive it is, and how, through sheer force of personality, it manages to strike devastating blows against the forces of evil?
The sheer amount of moral courage required to stand up to evil with self-righteous hatred on an internet forum is staggering. I can't imagine the stress and mental anguish experienced just for the sake of standing up for what's right.
Chicken purgatory sounds pretty grisly. However, I meant the physical remains. I think because you included the dead one in the total number I imagined the carcass laying about somewhere, maybe even being paraded around Weekend At Bernie's-style.
Chicken purgatory sounds pretty grisly. However, I meant the physical remains. I think because you included the dead one in the total number I imagined the carcass laying about somewhere, maybe even being paraded around Weekend At Bernie's-style.
I actually didn't ask my wife what she did with it. We have a big flat shovel for the barn, and I imagine that was the transportation method. Maybe it was put in a bag and put with the garbage.
Had I been in charge, I'd have tried to return it to the grocery store, insisting they sold me a fucked up animal attacked chicken. I would then have taken the proceeds and bought a pint of gin, gotten good and drunk, and yelled obscenities at children until my arrest.
In other news, I'm getting four more chickens. That will bring me up to 9 chickens if you count the dead one.
You're weird. We don't count the dead ones. So you have 8, not 9. Same with asking "how many people are in the room?". The "live people" is implied -- ALWAYS -- in sentences like that.
You're weird. We don't count the dead ones. So you have 8, not 9. Same with asking "how many people are in the room?". The "live people" is implied -- ALWAYS -- in sentences like that.
Except I only have four live ones and I'm going to get four more live ones and I have a dead one. So, I have 4 alive ones, 4 hypothetical ones, and 1 dead one. Why do hypothetical chickens get numbered but actual but dead ones don't?
This custom of blotting out the existence of post live chickens really needs to be reconsidered.
Who is "we"? In my culture we always count the dead ones, no matter whether it's chickens or people.
I see you shortened your name. Congrats!!
And how long does the dead ones count as people or animals? Until you bury them? If I immediately bury a dead chicken, then immediately I'm counting 4, not 5, chickens. But say, I waited all day to bury the dead chicken, then all day, I can count 5 chickens?
And how long does the dead ones count as people or animals? Until you bury them? If I immediately bury a dead chicken, then immediately I'm counting 4, not 5, chickens. But say, I waited all day to bury the dead chicken, then all day, I can count 5 chickens?
Good point. To get around this difficulty, we count the dead individual for as long as it lived.
It is with great regret that I must report the passing of young Emily who at only 6 years old departed this world to the devastation of her mother and father, grandparents, brothers and two sisters, and of course all who knew her happy smile, the way she gathered dandelions for her mother, how she was the best mommy to her many dolls, and how she was the kindest friend to her little kitten named Cuddles.
The doctors were baffled at her unexplained deterioration, running countless tests, her deeply troubled parents by her side, with hospital stays going from days and then to weeks, until finally the last rites were read.
Not until later when the autopsy was performed did they discover increased levels of arsenic traceable to emergency aid rice deliveries.
Emily's dissected body was then ushered out in a flat barn shovel, bagged, and returned to the grocery store under the guise of it being spoiled chicken. And now here I sit in my cell, stinking of gin, my voice still hoarse from shouting obscenities at kids.
Why do firemen wear red suspenders to hold their pants up?
The heavy-duty fire resistant pants are made to fit over regular clothing, and therefore tend to be loose at the waist to allow them to slip into them easily. :rofl:
Except I only have four live ones and I'm going to get four more live ones and I have a dead one. So, I have 4 alive ones, 4 hypothetical ones, and 1 dead one. Why do hypothetical chickens get numbered but actual but dead ones don't?
This whole question of how many chickens you have must be one of those modal logic/possible worlds things?
The heavy-duty fire resistant pants are made to fit over regular clothing, and therefore tend to be loose at the waist to allow them to slip into them easily. :rofl:
If jamalrob is now Jamal and Hanover now Hanoverrob then you should become Hanover.
Ehh... Maybe, but I'm leaning towards Hugh G. Rection right now. It's more formal, dignified. Including an initial always adds a little class. T. Texas Tyler. George H.W. Bush. Jesus H. Christ. I.M. Pei. John Q. Public. Abercrombie N. Fitch. E.I. Dupont de Nemours. J. Paul Getty. Polly W. Ollydoodle. Al D. Day.
Why not just solidify it in writing and switch to Clarky?
No, no. That's just a name you and @Baden use because you think it bothers me. I was being called "Clarky" long before you were born. I'm just looking for something more dignified. As I noted, Hugh G. Rection is currently leading the pack.
(Don't know if this is the right place, but I didn't want to start a thread.)
Question: if the Supreme Court of the USA really does overturn Roe v Wade, as seems highly likely, won't this undermine the Republican vote in the mid-term elections? I'm guessing that it will be an extremely unpopular decision with female voters in particular, who could quite feasibly express their ire by not voting Republican. I don't know, but I haven't read any commentary to that effect, and it would seem likely to me.
There's one here, but it doesn't make that particular point https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096128525/political-consequences-supreme-court-draft-opinion-roe-abortion
other than
Republicans have used culture war issues to fire up their base, and no issue is more central to that than abortion.
But it's worth pointing out that the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll showed Democrats with an 11-point advantage on the question of which party Americans think is better at dealing with abortion as an issue.
If you see any stories on it, let me know. (I have quite a keen interest in US politics.)
I don't get it. I can see why people outside the US care about our foreign policy. We are like a rhinoceros trying to tap dance in an egg warehouse. But why does anyone care about our domestic issues?
But why does anyone care about our domestic issues?
Oh, only because the Republican Party is arguably as big a threat to world peace and the continuation of democracy as Putin's Russia. So whatever benefits the Republican Party is bad for the rest of the world. Nothing much apart from that, really. Anyway there's a thread on Roe v Wade now, I reposted there.
//ps// oh, and my two grandchildren are dual US- Aus citizens and live permanently there, so I'm no longer a totally disinterested party. //
Everyone is mesmerized by road accidents, especially when they involve the rich....
I have avoided reading the daily news and watching the news on tv for a long time now because of depressing events. Like, who needs to make multi-million dollar horror movies when daily, you read about grandma in the freezer, daughter plastered on the sofa, pets in plastic bag discarded in dumpster.
What ever happened to wholesome hobbies like creating music, making pottery, indoor gardening, or painting?
Reply to L'éléphant Yep. Things are crook. I replaced watching the news with learning acoustic guitar. My playing is only marginally less apocalyptic than the news...
don't get it. I can see why people outside the US care about our foreign policy. We are like a rhinoceros trying to tap dance in an egg warehouse. But why does anyone care about our domestic issues?
I asked fdrake this question. He said it's because international news is usually dominated by whatever the US is doing.
It's not like they go out seeking to know. It's pushed in their faces, sort of.
Reply to T Clark Much of the world seems obsessed with America. The Cocacolonization by your empire starts with culture and ends with foreign policy. Here in Australia for instance, we copy American ads; our singers sing in American accents, using American musical forms; our actors work in Hollywood movies as Americans; our news services use American theme music and sets; our religions borrow from American evangelical traditions; our politics has Presidential style campaigns - (even though we have a Westminster system of government); our movies and TV shows are American and our fast food is offered by American companies; and finally our soldiers follow American military into their wars, to be shot at and killed by the enemies of America. We've liked it this way since the 1960's.
Reply to T Clark yes, as Tom says, America's influence is writ large in today's world.
An anecdote: a couple of years back, I watched the excellent series World War II in Color, which colorised a lot of previously black-and-white footage of WWII and wove it into a documentary series. During the episode on the development of the atomic bomb, there was a bit of footage that was shot of commuters coming out of a station in California to go to work. This would have been 1945, but they looked instantly familiar to me - the way they dressed and walked, the urban environment they were in - hey, that was me! That is 'my generation' (I'm a boomer). I remember age about ten getting my first ever pair of blue jeans and basketball shoes - suddenly I had a sense of identity for the first time in my life. And I've sometimes felt like a 'displaced Californian'. Of course I've been there a few times in my later years, and the reality is different to the image. But not that different! :wink:
But why does anyone care about our domestic issues?
It's a relic of our Christian heritage to care about strangers. And as long as they remain strangers and don't try and come here, our concern for their well-being continues. We call it "the white man's burden".
Buenos días!. :flower: I love to see the sun rising in the morning. It is pretty poetic
Buenos dias! I have awoken this morning in Spain after a long and peaceful sleep. The sun, however, has not revealed itself. In fact it was raining as I stepped off the plane last night. DisaPPOINTED!
In fact it was raining as I stepped off the plane last night. DisaPPOINTED!
:sweat: ! I am guessing you are in the north of the country (Asturias, Galicia, Basque Country?) or the East (Valencia?). Because here in Madrid we have briefly rainfalls, you know Castilla is drought as hell as always :rofl:
Is it possible to arrange the Kalam Cosmological Argument thread into the Kalam font. I'm sure it would make the argument more convincing and the objections more cogent.
Reply to unenlightened I do like your logical suggestion that we match form to substance in all our threads, but so as to not appear mocking or singling out the Kalam thread, perhaps we should start this endeavor here in the Shoutbox, changing the font size to 50 and putting it in all caps.
Buenos dias! I have awoken this morning in Spain after a long and peaceful sleep. The sun, however, has not revealed itself. In fact it was raining as I stepped off the plane last night. DisaPPOINTED!
I heard the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.
Reply to praxis I think I'm going to cover my countertops with metal tape. Being human is basically a matter of walking around with a flood of wacky ideas flowing through you, and also, Beethoven's hearing loss was probably a result of lead poisoning.
Yes, exactly! It is the only desert zone declared by the European Union. Apart from Western movies it is full of vegetables and farming down there :yum:
Reply to Michael There are different methodologies, with yours being more subjective than mine. On yours, they measured "mountain area" in square kilometers, so we'll have to figure out what that term means in terms of how many feet above sea level must the land be to be considered "mountain area." If the answer is 1,000 feet above sea level, do we count each rock that juts beyond the 1,000 feet?
On mine, on the other hand, they measured average altitude above sea level, which does not require a subjective evaluation of what is a mountain, a mole hill, a singular rock formation, or an ancient Indian burial mound.
Your list shows how many European mountain people there are, which is something I never really thought about. Are European mountain people like American mountain people?
It's a mandolin. Bill Monroe, known as the father of bluegrass music, was a mandolin player. Mandolin, bass, banjo, guitar, fiddle. Those are the instruments of bluegrass.
Consciousness and quantum mechanics, what’s up with that? (Category - Pseudo-science and other Bullshit)
Here's another discussion idea we could have more of:
"I have a fatuous question to ask you all, one for which there is no discernable answer and for which the question itself is barely intelligible, but I think it's really important to involve as many as possible in a near pointless discussion, even though I already have the answer in my head with something approaching maniacal certainty, so fuck you if you don't agree with me, you cunts."
"I have a fatuous question to ask you all, one for which there is no discernable answer and for which the question itself is barely intelligible, but I think it's really important to involve as many as possible in a near pointless discussion, even though I already have the answer in my head with something approaching maniacal certainty, so fuck you if you don't agree with me, you cunts."
Whenever I write some haiku poems I receive a lot of bad criticism from so unknown folks through internet. They treat me like a bad student. But I do not care and I will still writing some haikus in the future.
A flower scapes
Of a kid's hand
Along the way...
[i][original]
A un niño se
Le escapa una flor
Por el camino.[/i]
Whenever I write some haiku poems I receive a lot of bad criticism from so unknown folks through internet. They treat me like a bad student. But I do not care and I will still writing some haikus in the future.
A flower scapes
Of a kid's hand
Along the way...
I will criticize your haiku because a "flower scapes" isn't a meaningful phrase. Although probably a coincidence in that you did not know this, but a "scape" is the stalk of the flower, but it isn't short for "escape" as you likely intended it, which leaves us with a confusing error.
The preposition "of" is also confusing, making me wonder whether you're a native English speaker. If you are, sorry for the insult. "A flower scapes of the kid's hand" suggests the hand is composed of flower scapes and I don't know what that means. The word "from" might have been what you're looking for.
Had you used the term "flowerscapes," that would have at least been poetic in that you'd have coined a new term describing a flower filled landscape and then I'd have thought you did a better job, but whether you could have turned that into a haiku, I doubt it
So I give you an C -. Sorry, work harder. No one is helped by grade inflation.
making me wonder whether you're a native English speaker. If you are, sorry for the insult. "
I am not an English native speaker. I gave my best trying to translate in English to post here because I always write the poems in Spanish (my native language).
I appreciate your criticism but I think you have to keep in mind that is very difficult to express something so much abstract as haiku in a foreign language...
[quote=Jung]Our world is so exceedingly rich in delusions that a truth is priceless, and no one will let it slip because of a few exeptions with which it cannot be brought into accord.[/quote]
Jung:Our world is so exceedingly rich in delusions that a truth is priceless, and no one will let it slip because of a few exeptions with which it cannot be brought into accord.
Of course, Jung is here demonstrating the very problem we face - delusions are so ubiquitous that we routinely mistake an unhelpful falsity for a priceless truth.
No, I am the one who is sorry for publishing the poem.
Keep in mind that @Hanover is a dick. You should know that by now.
For what it's worth, I don't see anything wrong with using "scape" as a poetic word for "escape." I think it's really hard to gracefully translate a haiku to a second language.
Perfect pitch: throwing a banjo into the garbage can without hitting the rim.
Tried this joke on banjo players; they didn't find it even slightly amusing. Humorless hicks.
I actually heard that one from a banjo player. But he said it slightly different, something like without bending the rim. I always figured it was implied that the banjo was still salvageable.
Reply to Tom Storm
I thought that Jung was presenting the pattern of instinct, that seems necessary for other creatures is something humans can fool with.
The idea that we could participate in our outcome.
I thought that Jung was presenting the pattern of instinct, that seems necessary for other creatures is something humans can fool with.
The idea that we could participate in our outcome.
No idea what that means. I was just following through the thinking about delusion.
Reply to Tom Storm
Maybe so. I am not trying to prove Jung meant a certain thing. But his observation of how we talk about instinct is interesting. There is a variance in how species reproduce. One is not committed to a particular thesis to make the difference something that requires explanation.
Jeez, this the shoutbox, Man - I was just having a play with the quote and took umbrage at the supercilious notion of splitting the world into categories delusion and truth and the inherent conceit of suggesting we can tell the difference. Hey, is it true Jung was a Nazi?
I agree, unsettling. It's art because they say it's intended as art, but it seems cheap to me. Like soft-core pornography. A trick. A joke. A clever idea with no heart. No skill. I especially hate the fact that the liquid is so obviously supposed to be blood.
The artwork signifies the relationship between the mechanistic state and the living human beings who have created the machine. The state is a machine which moves around under certain stipulated algorithms, trying to control the free running human beings. There is the inevitable splattering of blood from time to time.
What they haven't properly captured is the reciprocating action between the state and the human beings, by which the human beings are capable of tweaking, or totally changing the algorithms of the machine. Too much splattering, and the blood gets into the machine, causing changes to it.
The intent of AI is to make the machine self-tweaking. If we apply AI to the state, there would be no more need for human minds to be involved in the law-making process. The laws would automatically change themselves to match what is required by the society, to minimize the splattering of blood, or perhaps another goal.
The hydraulic fluid in relation to how we kill ourselves both mentally and physically for money just in an attempt to sustain life, how the system is set up for us to fail on purpose to essentially enslave us and to steal the best years of our lives to play the game that the richest people of the world have designed.
How this robs us of our happiness, passion and our inner peace.
How we are slowly drowning with more responsibilities, with more expected of us, less rewarding pay-offs and less free time to enjoy ourselves with as the years go by.
How there's really no escaping the system and that we were destined at birth to follow a pretty specific path that was already laid out before us.
How we can give and give and give and how easily we can be forgotten after we've gone..
How we are loved and respected when we are valuable, then one day we aren't any longer and we become a burden...and how our young, free-caring spirit gets stolen from us as we get churned out of the broken system that we are trapped inside of.
Can also be seen to represent the human life cycle and the fact that none of us make it out of this world alive.
But also can act as a reminder to allow yourself to heal, rest and love with all of your heart.
That the endless chase for 'more' isn't necessary in finding your own inner happiness.
Also to spend more time with friends and family, to dance more often, to laugh more with those who are close, to explore this plane of existence to its full extent and to make as many memories as possible while you are still able :heart:
Another wrote:
It's programmed to try to contain the hydraulic fluid that’s constantly leaking out and required to keep itself running...if too much escapes, it will die so it's desperately trying to pull it back to continue to fight for another day.
Saddest part is they gave the robot the ability to do these 'happy dances' to spectators.
When the project was first launched it danced around spending most of its time interacting with the crowd since it could quickly pull back the small spillage.
Many years later... (as you see it now in the video) it looks tired and hopeless as there isn't enough time to dance anymore..
It now only has enough time to try to keep itself alive as the amount of leaked hydraulic fluid became unmanageable as the spill grew over time.
Living its last days in a never-ending cycle between sustaining life and simultaneously bleeding out... (Figuratively and literally as its hydraulic fluid was purposefully made to look like it's actual blood).
The robot arm finally ran out of hydraulic fluid in 2019, slowly came to a halt and died - And I am now tearing up over a friggin robot arm :cry: It was programmed to live out this fate and no matter what it did or how hard it tried, there was no escaping it.
Spectators watched as it slowly bled out until the day that it ceased to move forever.
Saying that 'this resonates' doesn't even do it justice imo.
I guess, if art is supposed to awaken or stir emotional responses, then it did the job.
Your, or anyone's, interpretation doesn't change anything. It's what it is, not what you, or anyone, say it is. If it needs redemption, it can't be done with words. It stands on it's own.
"Liberalism can provide a common ground, a least common denominator, for many states in one international organization in a way that nationalism, by its nature, cannot.“
Your, or anyone's, interpretation doesn't change anything. It's what it is, not what you, or anyone, say it is. If it needs redemption, it can't be done with words. It stands on it's own.
Yes Google Translate has Yiddish. It said the phrase means "Think good fat be good."
I think the problem may be that Yiddish is written with Hebrew letters and the program is transliterating the word "vet" into Hebrew letters to make it sound like fett, which is Yiddish for fat.
Reply to Baden They're supposed to be formatted with syllables per line of 5-7-5, and even with the most southern of accents, you can't get that many syllables from that.
To better understand the format, I've created this exemplar. You can ignore the substance, but just focus on the format to get a better idea how to structure it:
Baden fucks a goat
Cleans himself with an oak leaf
Feeds it to the goat
According to Peter Pan, you can fly if you think happy thoughts. Personally, I prefer to grow up, and keep my lamps trimmed and burning, for this old world is almost done.
But that life is a losing game does not make it bad game. Why pity the robot, or the dying swan except for the sake of the beauty of pity? A mechanical tragedy is a cartoon tragedy - just for practice.
But that life is a losing game does not make it bad game. Why pity the robot, or the dying swan except for the sake of the beauty of pity? A mechanical tragedy is a cartoon tragedy - just for practice.
I have no idea what this means, but it sure does sound philosophical.
it (might, probably, almost certainly, definitely, has to) make more sense in Japanese than in English.
The western tradition is the four line quatrain. It's more conducive to rhyming.
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Rhyming is an ancient memory aid. It's still very useful for rock and rollers who use a lot of drugs and need to remember the lyrics of the the songs they perform.
Reply to unenlightened for those philosophers who sensibly don't hang around concert hals waiting for Lutheran choirs to sing it properly, here's the St Olaf Choir directed by the composer doing "Keep your Lamps..."
Facebook just dropped the Lathe of Heaven into my brain-feed. I didn't know there was a film of it, but it's such a freaky book. Haven't watched it all yet, but it seems quite faithful to the original so far.
There once were a bunch of lame posters
Whose heads were all shaped like toasters
And it's not a sin
To stick some bread in
And wait while you're sipping your roasters
My favorite poetic form is the tanka, described as:
"A Japanese poem consisting of five lines, the first and third of which have five syllables and the other seven, making 31 syllables in all and giving a complete picture of an event or mood."
Ideally for me, it will be written in Occitan (the tongue of the dirty French peasantry) preferably in a san serif font so as to not be ostentatious and to stay true to the dirty language it is written in.
Allow me to offer my finest piece to you, written while I was in seminary in a dirty monosatry dressed in a burlap robe (totally free balling commando), now translated to the modern tongue of the Anglo ruling class in whatever limited font this forum has made available:
"Fuckety fuck fuck
I saw @Baden again goat fuck
In out and about
How he loved that goat's fine snout
He ate oatmeal for breakfast."
Something might have been lost in translation, but I do think this work has adequately left one with "a complete picture of an event or mood" as the ancient Japanese preferred.
Facebook just dropped the Lathe of Heaven into my brain-feed. I didn't know there was a film of it, but it's such a freaky book. Haven't watched it all yet, but it seems quite faithful to the original so far.
The movie's pretty good. I liked the book too. And I love the title.
I have received an email from a haiku championship this afternoon. I didn't win the contest and I do not even appear on the list of the participants who did it, at least, so acceptable.
So @Hanover was right and I suck doing haiku poems.
But who cares, Yukio Mishima didn't care about haiku neither.
I guess writing essays and novels is what I should try to.
So Hanover was right and I suck doing haiku poems.
But who cares, Yukio Mishima didn't care about haiku neither.
I guess writing essays and novels is what I should try to.
Your resignation strikes a devastating blow to the haiku community.
@T Clark may be right about the dick comment after all.
I wrote this one in the car in my 20s, 20 years ago, and it still comes back to me.
come on across the
road little sparrow, I'll al-
ways slow down for you
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Dad's decided to not upgrade his pacemaker and the batteries on the one he has inside him are dying. All my prayers were denied in him making the choice to upgrade but I have to stand strong to respect his wishes and to be support for Mom.
Both my parents want to die at home and we have brought on Hospice at home. Family is coming out to say goodbye over the next three weeks, while my divorce goes to it's FIRST time before anyone, which will be a mediator while Cosmic Wanker is fully aware that everyday we have not sold the ranch is costing us. He is hoping it tanks so he can buy me out.
I'm so done. Cosmic Wanker is the victim in all this you know... :vomit:
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Still a bunch of crap discussions on the forum. Hey, @Baden, can't you just ban someone so we'll have something to talk about. I'll PM you some suggestions.
1. Rhyme & Reason (The Ancient Ones).
2. Then the split: Rhyme and Reason part ways (intellectual laziness).
3. No Rhyme or Reason (the present state of affairs).
The Master said, "At fifteen I set my purpose on learning.
At thirty, I was established. At forty, I had no doubts.
At fifty, I knew the Mandate of Heaven.
At sixty, my ear was obedient.
At seventy, I could follow what my heart desired,
and not transgress the norm."
- Confucius, Analects II:4.
Reply to javi2541997
“Know then thyself, presume not God to scan,
The proper study of mankind is Man.
Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
He hangs between, in doubt to act or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a God or Beast;
In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little or too much;
Chaos of thought and passion, all confused;
Still by himself abused or disabused;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurl'd;
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!
Go, wondrous creature! mount where science guides,
Go, measure earth, weigh air, and state the tides;
Instruct the planets in what orbs to run,
Correct old time, and regulate the sun;
Go, soar with Plato to th’ empyreal sphere,
To the first good, first perfect, and first fair;
Or tread the mazy round his followers trod,
And quitting sense call imitating God;
As Eastern priests in giddy circles run,
And turn their heads to imitate the sun.
Go, teach Eternal Wisdom how to rule—
Then drop into thyself, and be a fool!”
? Alexander Pope, An Essay on Man
William Shakespeare, Hamlet:What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals.
Man, I had this all prepared and then poof, the vanishing occurred, of a thread that is … I’m gonna post it in this irreverent-ish section for the hell of it. Curious to see if this post will itself go poof before too long (no skin off of my back if it does). Anyways, here goes (if memory serves right) @Wittgenstein:
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The acknowledgedly oversimplified, incomplete, and rule of thumb rough outline of an argument against sex with dead animals: :gasp:
Healthy sexuality: mutually experienced physical and mental attraction toward other with intents of either bringing about offspring with other or, for those of us not utterly materialist in our thinking, of bringing about a closeness of being - an emotive bond, however transient - between those who are so sexually attracted and of a mature enough age to consent in informed manners (e.g., neither anal nor oral sex have anything to do with bringing about offspring, to keep things on the physical side). (Also, this applies to LGTBQs in terms of the second intent addressed - such that it occurs with the intent of bringing about offspring being absent rather than perverted … as is routinely the case in heterosexual sex as well.)
Masturbation regarding healthy sexuality: a semi-healthy sexuality in that it does not serve to actualize either of the intents of the aforementioned but keeps one going by satisfying these intents via fantasy, this without perverting the intents in question
Rape: a perversion of the intent for closeness … to not start mentioning the harm caused
Bestiality: a perversion of either intent involved in healthy sexuality
Necrophilic bestiality: a massive amplification of the perversion of either intent involved in healthy sexuality
Oh, and perversions of health is bad.
… this argument being a work in progress. This for those who don’t know why sex with dead animals is bad.
Healthy sexuality: mutually experienced physical and mental attraction toward other with intents of either bringing about offspring with other or, for those of us not utterly materialist in our thinking, of bringing about a closeness of being - an emotive bond, however transient - between those who are so sexually attracted and of a mature enough age to consent in informed manners (e.g., neither anal nor oral sex have anything to do with bringing about offspring, to keep things on the physical side). (Also, this applies to LGTBQs in terms of the second intent addressed - such that it occurs with the intent of bringing about offspring being absent rather than perverted … as is routinely the case in heterosexual sex as well.)
Masturbation regarding healthy sexuality: a semi-healthy sexuality in that it does not serve to actualize either of the intents of the aforementioned but keeps one going by satisfying these intents via fantasy, this without perverting the intents in question
Rape: a perversion of the intent for closeness … to not start mentioning the harm caused
Bestiality: a perversion of either intent involved in healthy sexuality
Necrophilic bestiality: a massive amplification of the perversion of either intent involved in healthy sexuality
Oh, and perversions of health is bad.
… this argument being a work in progress. This for those who don’t know why sex with dead animals is bad.
I know you have not fully formulated your viewpoint but l don't see why closeness of being - intimate bond should serve as a moral criterion since you are perfectly fine with a purely mechanistic sex done for the sake of reproduction. On the other hand, If you say , atleast one of the two criterion should be present to separate morally approved sexual behavior from reprehensible sexual behavior. This implies emotionally cold sex with protection is immoral but l am sure you don't hold this position. Furthermore, why are the 2 characteristics neccessary in sex, it's surely not a logical necessity and l don't see any apparent moral necessity , if it even exists in the first place
You replaced perversion with immorality in meaning but it doesn't explain show why perversion is being equated with immorality. Perversion is a diversion from the ordinary and is in of itself free from any moral value.
I think you can clarify on "intent" , perhaps you can bring the concept of consent to the topic to make it more interesting
You’re kind’a putting words into my mouth that I’ve never stated. For instance, didn’t use concepts of moral/immoral but of health (commonly interpreted as good) and perversion of health (hence deviation from, thus a lack of, health, and of this being bad). Although, sure, actively seeking that which is bad might on many an occasion be deemed immoral. Emotionally cold sex as healthy or good – or, sure, even moral - hmm … I suppose like a purported attraction to beauty without feeling anything aesthetic in what one witnesses being deemed healthy and good. Only that here is concerned another human being (that one treats as a piece of meat?). Not what women tend to desire, in my experiences. For that matter, nor do I. That aside, as I’ve said, what I’ve presented is a work in progress; one that preliminarily works for me just fine. Impressed that most of it didn't make any sense to you. As to why human connection is healthy or as to the clarification of “intent”, I’ll get back to these as soon as I can figure out a logically substantiated clarification for what “is” is, kind of thing.
"The staff of The Times won the 2022 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting for revealing the hidden casualties in thousands of American military airstrikes. Successive administrations had sold a nation weary of “forever wars” on replacing boots on the ground with “the most precise air campaign in history.” The Times revealed its legacy: missed targets, disproportionate destruction and civilian deaths."
Zhurong findings suggest there may have been regular water on Mars 700m years ago rather than 3b.
If so, then it's a marked adjustment to current estimates.
Man I can't wait till all the quacks here who worried themselves into a tizzy over CRT start discussing the dangers of GRT which just got ten black people gunned down in cold blood but probably not because it's not as fun as relaying racist culture war memes that don't actually track real life danger.
There are four threads on the front page right now about rational arguments for God. They overlap. People say the same things on each of them. Most of them are ping pong games - back and forth with no significant content.
I am finding the place is becoming unpleasant to read, and I don't even like my own posts very much. Reply to T Clark Personally, I don't mind if there are threads that don't interest me for whatever reason, and I can even tolerate low quality posts. But the flaming is so ubiquitous and inescapable and it makes me feel bad. I think I might take a break 'til my next incarnation.
Maybe it should be given its own room. A Lounge for people who only want to only talk about that.
No need for anything so draconian. I'll be satisfied as long as they keep letting me whine and complain. Or as they say in places other than the US, whing and complain.
We said: "You can't treat share certificates as having a value independent of business value."
They said: "You don't understand the stock market."
Then 1929 happened.
We said: "You can't lend money without proper security"
They said: "You don't understand modern banking and complex financial instruments"
Then 2008 happened.
We said: "You can't just print money when you've run out. It will lose its value and cause inflation."
They said: "It's 'quantitative easing', you simple man. You don't understand economics."
Now what's happening?
We said: "You can't just print money when you've run out. It will lose its value and cause inflation."
They said: "It's 'quantitative easing', you simple man. You don't understand economics."
Now what's happening?
To equate today's inflation with the depression and the 2008 crash shows a lack of perspective. I remember in the 1980s when inflation was greater than 10%. That, along with our babies bowel movements and house prices, was all we talked about with our neighbors at parties. That wasn't the only time we had serious inflation since the war. We haven't had to deal with it much in the past 30 years or so, so people have forgotten or never knew.
Doesn't mean what's going on isn't important. Come back in a year and maybe you'll be able to say "I told you so."
I can't believe there are actual numbers divisible by both 2 and 3. They must be very rare, at least.
It might be the case that every number is divisible by 2 and 3. For example, 29 divided by 3 is 29 thirds.
Reminds me of a dad joke. If you have 3 apples and 5 people, how do you divide them up?
Make applesauce.
Speaking of dads, my dad's favorite applesauce was Motts chunky applesauce
Speaking of dads and food, once I threw a sliced mushroom in my dad's bowl of tomato soup he had on the stove. He asked me why I did that, and I told him I was making One Mushroom Soup and the winner would be the one who got the mushroom in their bowl. It became the way we made our tomato soup from then on out.
Thought I'd share that food story with you. It's a pretty good one I think.
My research revealed that Agustino last posted 4 years ago and was last online 2 years ago, at which time he incinerated, casting a fiery white light in the sky, having something to do with youth.
peaking of dads and food, once I threw a sliced mushroom in my dad's bowl of tomato soup he had on the stove. He asked me why I did that, and I told him I was making One Mushroom Soup and the winner would be the one who got the mushroom in their bowl. It became the way we made our tomato soup from then on out.
Thought I'd share that food story with you. It's a pretty good one I think.
A great cowboy song, maybe the best, written by an effete New York playwright. Although, according to Wikipedia, the words were written by "Robert (Bob) Fletcher, a poet and engineer with the Department of Highways in Helena, Montana."
Although, according to Wikipedia, the words were written by "Robert (Bob) Fletcher, a poet and engineer with the Department of Highways in Helena, Montana."
The man who holds the "slow" sign down the street next to the truck that digs the hole for the new sewage pipes is likely not a fully degreed engineer, but he undoubtedly is a poet. I can tell by his swagger.
The man who holds the "slow" sign down the street next to the truck that digs the hole for the new sewage pipes is likely not a fully degreed engineer, but he undoubtedly is a poet. I can tell by his swagger.
I may have said this before, but there’s nothing quite like an unexpected turn of events to bring one back into the present moment. I was planning on waking up and making coffee and breakfast, but the power is out. I can’t grind the beans or defrost the bagel. So here I am sitting in my favorite park in the city with a toasted plain bagel with lox spread in my stomach, sipping coffee, and watching the lazy late morning world go by.
So here I am sitting in my favorite park in the city with a toasted plain bagel with lox spread in my stomach, sipping coffee, and watching the lazy late morning world go by.
More like a “this is my only day off before a 7 day work week” state of mind.
Enjoy it. I do love New York City. You get the seven day work week, while all I have to do is imagine sitting in the park with coffee and philosophy on a nice day.
The nightmare of 7 days without the Internet is over. A lightning strike fried some equipment in Minneapolis a week ago. Bad storm.
I suspect it's different to be without the internet by one's own volition as opposed to being forced into it.
Sometimes, I don't even turn on the computer for a week or more, because I simply don't have the time. And I don't really miss it. But I know it's there if I'd need it. I wonder what it would be like to be cut off from it indefinitely.
Reply to SophistiCat You might want to begin sending helpful messages to the mods or flag posts or something. I don't know how you imagine the mods get to know about problems on the forum.
You might want to begin sending helpful messages to the mods or flag posts or something. I don't know how you imagine the mods get to know about problems on the forum.
I can't imagine how mods don't get to know about Prishon spamming every thread on the forum. He is hard to miss (which is a big part of why he was banned in the first place).
Just back from Istanbul. What an amazing city. Apart from anything else, I didn't expect mackerel wraps to be such a thing there.
Returning to my current country of residence was a cruel reality check. Made to wait for hours at passport control along with all the other foreigners, followed by an interrogation in which they looked at what apps I had on my phone and looked through my WhatsApp contacts. Legally I could have refused (the charming but steel-eyed young interrogator asked me nicely if I minded) but I sacrificed my dedication to freedom and privacy so as to ensure I didn't have to spend the night in the airport alone and to keep myself off their watch list. Now I feel bitter and kind of wish I'd refused.
That was only the worst episode in a shitty day in which my bike went missing and I almost missed the flight, but I choose to think back to the mackerel I was happily chomping the day before back in Turkey, that beacon of freedom and democracy.
Apart from anything else, I didn't expect mackerel wraps to be such a thing there.
When they talk about Istanbul on TV, they always show the mackerel stands. Like coffee kiosks in Seattle. Not a fan of mackerel.
Speaking of Russia, have you read any of the "Night Watch" books. I just read the first and really enjoyed it. I like books where I have to use my Kindle to look up unfamiliar words in foreign languages.
No, never heard of them. As far as contemporary Russian genre fiction goes, I do fancy Metro 2033 and its sequels. Post-apocalyptic SF set in the Moscow Metro.
In 2013, a nuclear war forced a large amount of Moscow's surviving population to relocate to the city's Metro system in search of refuge
You say that now. If you say that after a bite of a spicy Istanbul mackerel sandwich, I'll take you seriously.
If I ever go to Istanbul, I'll definitely try one. I never have found an oily fish I enjoy eating. My wife loves bluefish. Whenever she makes it, she only makes enough for herself, knowing that I'll make something else for myself. Problem is, if there's any left over, it get's reheated in the microwave. There are few worse smells than bluefish reheated.
There are few worse smells than bluefish reheated.
I noticed that the balik ekmek stands that are popular with locals and had very long queues did not stink at all, but the ones in the tourist hotspots stank real, real bad. And that's coming from a mackerel lover.
Good point. Salmon is ok, but I'd never order it. Trout I'm not a fan of, although I haven't eaten it a lot. Cod, haddock, halibut, perch, flounder, sole - I love them. My body loves them. There's a restaurant that makes fish chowder. Sometimes when I'm eating it, I moan because it's so good.
[quote=Stephen Colbert]I see the glass as half-full. I don't always know what the liquid is, and I'm definitely not drinking it. But it's half-full.[/quote]
[quote=Stephen Colbert]AMERICA! The Land of the Free and home of unlimited breadsticks.[/quote]
I had some life-changing black lentils and yogurt last night. A sentence I thought I'd never put to pen. There was chicken too which was good, but the lentils...
If you go trout fishing in the rivers of north Georgia, you're not supposed to use corn because it reminds the fish of the food they just ate before they were dumped in the river and it's not very sporting to catch them that way. It'd be like shooting fish in the barrel, where the barrel is the river and the shooting is the hook with the corn on it.
There was this place on Hwy 20 at the Forsyth County line called Rainbow Ranch where they had stocked ponds and you'd catch fish and pay by the pound after you caught them. You weren't allowed to throw them back, so when I'd get a bite, I'd yank real quick hoping to get the fish to fall off the hook.
There was this other place off Hwy 29 out in Tucker where'd they'd stock the lake with great big catfish and they'd be so stunned when they were loaded off the truck that you could try to hook them before they went underwater. But then the lady came out and yelled at me not to do that.
All of Trump's Republican nemises won in Georgia. Gov. Kemp trounced Perdue with over 70% of the vote, Raffensperger (the guy who certified Biden's victory in Ga.) won Secretary of State, and Carr beat Gordon for attorney general.
In other news, the correct plural of nemisis is nemises.
If I had to take a bath in said brown substance and I could choose between types, that which emanates from the back end of a cow would probably be my choice, being the least sensorially offensive I can think of.
Reply to Baden I think it's an important case; not because of the specifics of their relationship, but for the implications vis politically correct use of stigma, threat, doxing and so forth - to force unquestioning belief of people making accusations under this rubric. If it is shown that Amber Heard is absuing MeToo, to force acceptance of allegations of domestic violence and abuse, it will have important implications.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a bunch of incel misogynists just want Jack Sparrow to stick it to blondie because they never could or maybe she truly is a lying sociopath and justice be done. I'll take the cow shit. It's cleaner.
Reply to Baden You demonstrate my point. I'm watching the trial; and I'm no-one's fool. If I thought Depp was beating up Heard I'd condemn him, but I don't. Holding this opinion, I open myself up to suspicions of misogyny. I like women; like Depp's attorney, Camilla Vasquez - a super smart lawayer first, and a beautiful woman second. That's my kind of woman. How can I convince you I'm not a misogynist? It's such a pernicious implication; yet precisely what these allegations rely on.
Reply to Baden To me; the celebs personal lives are almost irrelevent to the political issues at stake. If you're saying you don't percieve any such implications, I'd have to wonder why you moderate a philosophy forum. Are you sure you're not being cautious for fear of being pilloried by exactly those forces?
I would have thought my bathing habits give Jamal more pause on my continued employment here, but his priorities seem equally perverse. The vast philosophical literature on spoilt celebs arguing in court seems to have escaped us both.
...I'm not criticizing how you spend your free time, Karl. You don't need to justify yourself nor do I. Chill.
Reply to Baden Yeah, sure. I'm chill, but I can't pretend not to take philsophy seriously, and I'm saying there are important philosophical issues here, that's all. If you're off-put by the celeb goss aspect; and just don't know anything about it, I totally get that.
Reply to Baden Justice; in relation to the politically correct notion that "victims" should be believed; and if you don't accept the victim narrative you're a bigot. That's really dangerous to justice.
Potentially, but you don't need to watch the details of this particular trial (who shat in who's bed when where and how (thx @Michael!) ) to debate whether or not victims should always be believed. And, yeah, the ins and outs of the trial might be interesting from a psychological point of view and there might be some political implications, but the philosophy is at best tangetial in that respect. Also, the political correctness/MeToo debate has been going on here for years, most notably re the accusations against Brett Kavanaugh. Anyhow, you're welcome to start a thread if you want to expand on this.
Reply to Baden Okay, but the trial isn't taking place here - it's taking place in the real world, with millions of people, the press and everyone watching. There's global media, the ACLU, studio execs paying attention. The verdict will reverberate. Maybe when we get the verdict I'll start a thread. Until then, my personal opinion is uninteresting - philosophically. I'm not starting a thread to discuss my view of the case. The implications after the verdict; different matter.
I think it's an important case; not because of the specifics of their relationship, but for the implications vis politically correct use of stigma, threat, doxing and so forth - to force unquestioning belief of people making accusations under this rubric. If it is shown that Amber Heard is absuing MeToo, to force acceptance of allegations of domestic violence and abuse, it will have important implications.
When women use political language to complain about men, it sometimes makes me angry. When men do the same to women, it always just embarrasses me.
Have a lot of women used political language to compain about you - or vice versa?
Women who know me have many good, non-political reasons to complain about me. I don't remember ever complaining about any woman or women in general using political language. Perhaps I have and have forgotten.
Women who know me have many good, non-political reasons to complain about me. I don't remember ever complaining about any woman or women in general using political language. Perhaps I have and have forgotten.
'The personal is political', also termed 'The private is political' is a political argument used as a rallying slogan of student movement and second-wave feminism from the late 1960s. Is that a one sided coin?
When women use political language to complain about men, it sometimes makes me angry. When men do the same to women, it always just embarrasses me.
Double standard, don't you think? Reflective of the double standard inherent to politically correct identity politics, that paints some identities as always victims, and other identities as always oppressors?
Is that a typo? Originally, you said 'men' - now it's 'me' - but maybe that 'me' is a typo. Again, I'm kind of suspicious there's a long line of women making complaints about you. Me, I'm speaking specifically to the dangers of a politically correct dogma that requires loyalty under threat of insult, social exclusion, threat, doxing, disemployment etc, etc. I think it's incredibly dangerous - even while I'm generally supportive of women.
Beef liver is an acquired taste. My mother used to serve it, so I can eat it without grimacing, but it's not my first choice. Chicken liver is wonderful. Liverwurst is great as are many liver pates.
I usually go for something that looks like it's an actual word or combination of words rather than a semi-random string of letters. I just bought one that's two words, the first is a very common name and the second is a very common word and together they make a pun. It's a .com.
Problem is, if there's any left over, it get's reheated in the microwave. There are few worse smells than bluefish reheated.
Never reheat fish in the microwave. In fact, never reheat leftover fish. Eat it cold or put it on the counter until room temp. However, the oven is another matter. If you have time to re-heat in the oven, that's the only way.
Beef liver is an acquired taste. My mother used to serve it, so I can eat it without grimacing, but it's not my first choice. Chicken liver is wonderful. Liverwurst is great as are many liver pates.
As a semi-vegetarian and continuing to progress to vegetarian state, the more inward the meat is, the more I tend to repulse it. I've eaten those, many years ago. And I have forgotten they exist until I read your post just now. I am actually a pescatarian and ovo-vegetarian.
I am a man. If someone is complaining about men in general, they are complaining about me....when someone, anyone, complains about me, it makes me angry.
I see! Well, there are a lot of you 'angry men' about, that's for sure. Which is why I'm a little surprised the forum has collectively refrained from offering any view, or guidance.
"the dangers of a politically correct dogma that requires loyalty under threat of insult, social exclusion, threat, doxing, disemployment etc, etc."
— karl stone
What does that have to do with Johnny Depp bringing a defamation suit against his ex-wife.
Well, first off they're suing eachother for defamation; he's suing for $50m, and she's counter suing for $100m. Depp's suit relates to an op-ed that came out 2018, 2 years after their divorce - written by Amber Heard, ACLU and MeToo - casting Heard as the victim (and champion) of domestic abuse.
Depp's saying that her allegations of domestic abuse are untrue, and that she was the aggressor. In my opinion, there's substantial evidence to that effect; but true or not, that's for the court to decide. What's irrefutable is that Heard was believed uncritically by the media - under the auspices politically correct, MeToo identity politics - such that the Sun Newspaper in London ran a piece calling Depp a "wife beater."
Depp sued the Sun and lost; a result I found surprising, if not perverse, legally speaking, because while Heard had made allegations of domestic abuse - and played the victim publicly; the allegations were all ultimately withdrawn by Heard and Depp in a joint statement. Depp paid the divorce settlement - $7m and they parted.
Also irrefutable is that in 2016, Heard said she didn't want any money from the divorce settlement; and would donate the money to ACLU and a school in LA. She drank in public sympathy and acclaim; while everytime she appeared and published in this role - as a champion of domestic abuse, she compounded the allegations against Depp, damaging his career.
Until this day, Heard hasn't given any money to ACLU or the school. Depp gave $100,000 in her name, and Elon Musk gave $500,000 in her name, but she kept every penny of the divorce settlement; and when challenged on this, claimed she couldn't pay because she was sued. But it was over a year after the divorce that Depp sued Heard. On the stand, she refused to understand the difference between "pledged" and "donated" - and that to my mind is key.
Heard is suing Depp for loss of earnings; relating to a statement by a lawyer named Waldman, working for Depp, who said that Heard's allegations were "a hoax cooked up by her and her team." She estimated this loss at $100m on the basis of her 'co-lead' role in Aquaman, relative to the earning potential of Jason Mamoa - who plays Aquaman. But the head of Warner Brothers shot her down, saying she wasn't the co-lead; that Aquaman was always pitched as a buddy movie, and she was the love interest of the lead. He also said she no chemistry with Mamoa on screen - and they had to fake it.
In short, Heard has been playing on the unquestionable nature of political correctness; for public sympathy, and to bolster her career, casting herself as a victim, and Depp as the 'white male patriarchy' - while repeatedly claiming to have paid the ACLU and the school, she sat on the $7m dicorce settlement. It's significant because of the duplicity it demonstrates, and the shelter from just scrutiny provided by political correctness. Given such duplicity on Heard's part, it's quite concievable that Waldman's statement 'that Heard and friends cooked up the allegations' is entirely accurate - but the press and public believe her because they're required to automatically believe the 'victim.'
I've left out all the testimony of psychologists and psychiatrists, which again, doesn't flatter Amber Heard. I've left out the forensic data specialist who testified today that photographs of Heard's so called injuries were doctored using photoshop; and testimony of police officers who 'didn't identfy Heard as a victim of domestic abuse.' There's a lot that weighs against her. On the basis of the evidence in the case, I think Depp would be vindicated. But even if he is, a lot of people still won't believe it - because of the politically correct imperative to 'believe the victim.' And quite possibly, despite what I think is overwhelming evidence, it may be political correctness reaches right into the jury room, and requires the jury turn a blind eye to the facts. And that's what political correctness has to do with it!
I don't care about any of this. I care about you somehow trying to raise this to the level of an important philosophical issue, in the process berating our beloved moderator @Baden.
Reply to T Clark I don't care that you don't care about this; precisely because you fail to appreciate the philosophical significance, I've taken great pains to explain. I speak plainly; I'm not going to spare your feelings. It's upto you to defend your position - not for me to tiptoe around your ignorance!
It's hostile and ostracising that you take it upon yourself to take offence on Baden's behalf. In effect you're saying to Baden he should be offended; and I'm saying to you - stop stirring shit that ain't your shit to stir. Perosnally I'm quite sure Baden is more than capable of defending himself from any remarks on my part, that may have come across more brusque than intended.
Beloved he may be or not, but only once before has "beloved" and "Baden" appeared in close proximity, and that was in a statement by @counterpunch; it wasn't Baden that was beloved.
Reply to Bitter Crank I don't know about the beloved bit, but counterpunch was spot on about Magma Energy. This is from NASA - published in 1982, a proven source of limitless clean energy.
Dunn, J. C.
Abstract
The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept. Several concepts for drilling, energy extraction, and materials survivability were successfully demonstrated in Kilauea Iki lava lake, Hawaii. The present program is addressing the engineering design problems associated with accessing magma bodies and extracting thermal energy for power generation. The normal stages for development of a geothermal resource are being investigated: exploration, drilling and completions, production, and surface power plant design. Current status of the engineering program and future plans are described.
Reply to karl stone What's there really to be said philosophically here? That the court of public opinion isn't fair and that it's epistemological standards are lacking? Isn't it obvious to any teenager who has to navigate high school gossip that it is destructive?
And so every now and then we really do need to get to the bottom of things, so formal investigations ensue, actual standards are established for burdens of proof and presumptions of innocence, and the types of evidence admissible are set.
That is to say, we all know that base she said/he said back and forths and politically correct assumptions aren't the standards we use for truth seeking, and no one has made an effort to dismantle our rules for such in formal settings. As is evident in this trial, we realize when the truth finding rules are enforced, the truth we find is different from what might have been spun.
In a democracy politicians are required to appeal to unfair epistemic social standards to get elected; and then make laws that embed those unfair epistemic standards in formal structures of invesigation. There's a case in the UK concerning a woman named Alison Bailey; an employment tribunal case where she was constructively dismissed because she maintained that biological sex matters, relative to the politically correct drive for gender self identification. Then there's all sorts of freedom of speech issues; where double standards have been embedded in law under the rubric of political correctness. So saying:
no one has made an effort to dismantle our rules for such in formal settings.
..is obviously wrong. Any first grader should recognise the inherent unfairness of, for example - biological males in womens sports, toilets, changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis centers etc - or in a supposedly free society, shutting down one 'identity interest group' while granting others a virtual amnesty from criticism; because even just criticism runs the risk of legal penalties as 'hate speech.'
Reply to karl stone Nothing you say here is on point to the question of changing epistemological standards. That societal norms are evolving with regard to gender roles and that there is conflict in that arena offers no evidence that our formal truth finding methods are under attack. In fact, as in your Alison Bailey example, she seems to be effectively using the current process to address her complaints. That is, she is using the concededly fair process to change what she believes are unfair substantive rules.
Reply to Hanover What do you mean by changing epistemological standards? I've never used that term except to ask what do you mean by changing epistemological standards? If somneone getting fired from their job for not acceding to the politically correct notion that men are women; (a notion btw, that the leader of the Labour Party seeks to make law) is not using stigma, social exclusion, threat, disemployment, doxing, violence etc, to change epsietmiological standards, I don't know what you mean by that term.
Reply to karl stone This conversation began regarding the significance of the Johnny Depp trial, with your complaint that it wasn't being treated seriously enough philosophically despite the significant implications it has to the way we discover truth, namely that we now are encouraged to trust the victim without giving the accused adequate opportunity to show what actually occurred. My response was that whatever changes have occurred in how we discover truth have occurred only on the sandlot (so to speak) and not in formal settings (like courtrooms) where we continue to demand rigorous epistemological standards.
There will always be controversial policies passed by legislatures, with nothing particularly precedent setting with the current round dealing with gender roles. The conservatives will always find a way to upset the liberals and vice versa. My point deals with the judicial side of things and how we go about resolving disputes within the substantive rules we set. That is, if Alison Bailey has had her rights violated is something the system can still handle fairly, regardless of whether she has taken a currently politically incorrect position.
To bring this back around to your original posts, what I'm saying is that the Depp trial hasn't shown us anything significant philosophically. It has only shown us that the prior media portrayal of the couple hasn't been accurate and that only after a true investigation into their lives do we actually learn the truth. And that returns to my first response, which was that it comes as no surprise that the media portrayal was not true, which should be expected because the role of the media is not simply to find truth for truth's sake (which is the function of the courts), but it's to sell their story.
Then let me return to your first question: what is to be said philosophically here? Plenty; particularly with regard to political correctness, and how it plays out in the public sphere, the media, and politics. It should be noted that the 'truth finders' in a court are the jury; not the judge, or either legal team.
The jury are ordinary people; subject to a politically correct narrative that uses stigma, social exclusion, doxing, threat and violence to force complaince to its doctrines. You said yourself: "the court of public opinion isn't fair and that it's epistemological standards are lacking" - and that's what oridinary people are subjected to, bombarded with politicallly propaganda, to such a degree - in my view, it threatens the quality of justice.
A jury made up of ordinary people are tasked with sifting through decidedly biased representations from both sides - and my concern is, if pc dogma can force people to believe men are women, for example, how can a jury be trusted to make decisions based on the evidence?!?
Reply to Noble Dust I just asked if anyone was watching the trial. If anyone was, I might. But it's quite difficult to explain the role political correctness and me too have played in the whole situation if no-one else has watched it. I gave it a go above, and the response was "I don't care about any of this" - which really made it all worthwhile! Start a thread? Meh!
A jury made up of ordinary people are tasked with sifting through decidedly biased representations from both sides - and my concern is, if pc dogma can force people to believe men are women, for example, how can a jury be trusted to make decisions based on the evidence?!?
The question of how jurors can be trusted to follow the law isn't new and now especially challenged by the trans population. Our jury system will persevere the best it always has.
In any event, definitional changes bear no impact on epistemology. The former are political, the latter scientific. The error is yours in conflating the two and arriving at an absurd equivocation fallacy that suggests that there are actually people who can no longer decipher the difference between a biological male and a transsexual male because we now refer to both of them as "men."
This morning: a boring but healthy breakfast of yogurt, walnuts and shredded wheat in almond milk. However, I have fresh beans, ground at home in a burr grinder. Made the best pot of French Press I’ve made to date. Edit: it could be a touch stronger.
Reply to Hanover You don't seem to be following the argument. You equated political correctness to high school gossip; relative to the functioning of a court. I'm giving you real world examples - (other than the Depp/Heard case, about which you know nothing) where political correctness dictates the adoption of positions that cannot realistically be attributed to intelligent fair minded people; and how they feed into the media and politics.
I'll give you another example: Dr Marcus Evans, and 30 other therpaists quit the Gender Identity Development Service, complaining of politically correct pressure to 'only affirm' and proscribe puberty blockers to adolescents on the basis of 2-3 hours consultation. Dr Evans says this is not enough time to get to the root of issues, such as fear of puberty, or sexual abuse that may be the underlying cause of gender dysphoria.
Now lets return to the Labour Party's intent to made gender self identification law. Why? Has he not listened to Dr Marcus Evans? Does he not care there's a whole group of women pissed off about biological males invading their spaces? No! He cares about being politically correct!
Politically correct dogma gave Amber Heard space, and support to make false allegations of domestic abuse - to claim she'd paid the divorce stellment to ACLU and the school, to benefit from public symnpathy and media acclaim - while Depp is repeatedly defamed and villianised. Now, Depp has more than proved his case - but the question is, can the jury see past that 'always believe the victim' politically correct bias to make a fair judgment based on the evidence?
Now, Depp has more than proved his case - but the question is, can the jury see past that 'always believe the victim' politically correct bias to make a fair judgment based on the evidence?
The question is whether the jury can listen to the facts and apply the law and render a fair judgment. That's been the case since the first jury found its way into the juror box and it remains the case today. As a general matter, jurors do the best of any system we can otherwise figure out. Will the system be vindicated for you if the jury finds in Depp's favor? I've not followed it, but from what you say, it sounds like Depp is likely going to prevail.
The question is whether the jury can listen to the facts and apply the law and render a fair judgment. That's been the case since the first jury found its way into the juror box and it remains the case today. As a general matter, jurors do the best of any system we can otherwise figure out. Will the system be vindicated for you if the jury finds in Depp's favor? I've not followed it, but from what you say, it sounds like Depp is likely going to prevail.
Unless the jury are afriad of being thought misogynistic bigots - as the media, and Heard's legal team have sought to portray anyone who takes Depp's side - I think, yes, Depp should prevail.
This morning: a boring but healthy breakfast of yogurt, walnuts and shredded wheat in almond milk. However, I have fresh beans, ground at home in a burr grinder. Made the best pot of French Press I’ve made to date. Edit: it could be a touch stronger.
I am a man. If someone is complaining about men in general, they are complaining about me....when someone, anyone, complains about me, it makes me angry.
— T Clark
I see! Well, there are a lot of you 'angry men' about,
I just noticed this - you edited my text and changed the meaning. I said "Sometimes, when someone, anyone, complains about me, it makes me angry."
I resemble that remark! I think I'm an exceptional moron. I'm king of the hill, top of the list, head of the heap.
I'm frankly shocked that you would take my words out of context! Shocked and dismayed! Appalled at the contrivence of a meaning from my actual words; when my actual words were so much more insulting!
my interlocutors thus far, are a bunch of low grade morons
Not so. In the not overly distant past a low-grade moron would have been demoted to an imbecile. A very high grade imbecile would be graduated into the collegiate class of morons. If your interlocutors are low grade imbeciles, then you are talking to idiots.
The 1977 American Psychological Association convention affirmed by an overwhelming majority the unimpeachable scientific finding that people are stupid.
Nothing else in the scientific literature has been so well demonstrate as the stupidity of Homo sapiens wise man.
Reply to Bitter Crank The American Psychological Association findings were debunked by the sociology department of the Herbert Marcuse Academy, Ottowa in the early 1990's - such that, the previous categorization of sub par mental states has been replaced with the term 'special.' And I just want you to know how very, very special you all are!
A jury made up of ordinary people are tasked with sifting through decidedly biased representations from both sides - and my concern is, if pc dogma can force people to believe men are women, for example, how can a jury be trusted to make decisions based on the evidence?!?
Aside from the shredded wheat I imagine. Spray-on vitamins and minerals and all that.
:sweat: C'est horrible!
I think there was a time that shirts with vitamins are being sold as health supplement -- you wear it and you will absorb the vitamins contained in the fabric. lol
Reply to praxis Then you're only half a bigot! They'll only dox you on unpopular websites, threaten your cat, phone your employer and tell him you never get a round in - until you are fully compliant with the unquestionable righteousness that is political correctness!
I think there was a time that shirts with vitamins are being sold as health supplement -- you wear it and you will absorb the vitamins contained in the fabric. lol
Where do I sign up? Between this and eating enough liver to grow a new one, this could just combine for the miracle cure I need.
We partake of all sorts of fictions in social life. They're called institutional or social facts, though they are anything but facts. Why get so hung up on the gender thing? It seems to me that you are the one politicking.
Just in: in June 2012 Jack Sparrow farted in Amber Heard's face. She responded by puking on his shoes. So, who abused who? Tune in daily to Buzzfeed news for the answer to this and other great philosophical conundrums!
Reply to praxis Ever thought about Pandora's box - containing all the evils the world, that when released, in the bottom there remains hope! Ever thought that, for the sake of hope, we suffer all the evils in the world? Just a thought! You're welcome!
Reply to Tom Storm Are you saying post modernist relativism, and rejection of universalist values is not the philosophical basis of political correctness? Are you about to tell me it's just about being nice?
God I love postmodernism. I love being PC. Feminism is fucking awesome. Just the best things Western Civilization ever produced. Damn they are so good. I just want to bathe in neo-Marxist PC.
Are you saying post modernist relativism, and rejection of universalist values is not the philosophical basis of political correctness? Are you about to tell me it's just about being nice?
I have no particular interest in the matter, but I know that Peterson fans talk this kind of shit all the time. Are you a Peterson neophyte or do you consider yourself an original thinker?
Reply to Tom Storm I'm often at odds with Peterson; but he's right about post modernism - via neo marxism and identity politics, unto political correctness. But he's religious, and Jungian - and I find all that off-putting. I can only suppose he squares the evolutionary elements of his approach; to my mind making a massive leap from lobsters to modern humans, by fudging the bit in between with religion.
In my view, a sensitivity to moral implication is ingrained into the human organism by evolution in a social, tribal environment. Loyalty to eachother and the tribe, food sharing, mutual grooming, etc was a survival advantage - something Nietzsche failed to appreciate, hence nihilism; a non-existant chasm over which Peterson skates with Jungian archetypes and religious waffle.
In my view, religion is the politics of primitive people - it's how hunter gatherer tribes joined together to form muti tribal social groups, nations, empires - by adopting the same idea of God as authority for social laws that applied to everyone. It's how they overcame tribal heirarchy - they adopted an uber-alpha-male in the form of God.
Reply to Tom Storm I suppose so, but I reject the baggage objectivism has been loaded with by Western philosophy heavily over-emphasising subjectivism.
In my view, religion is the politics of primitive people - it's how hunter gatherer tribes joined together to form muti tribal social groups, nations, empires - by adopting the same idea of God as authority for social laws that applied to everyone. It's how they overcame tribal heirarchy - they adopted an uber-alpha-male in the form of God.
I'm skeptical. Do you have any backup for this idea?
I'm skeptical. Do you have any backup for this idea?
Skepticism falls to the sword of Occam's razor; if it is vain to multiply entities beyond necessity, it's doubly so to divide and divide and divide until one has nothing!
It is my view; a product of reading and reason, noting the ubiquity of religion to civilisations, the shape of the pyramids in egypt and south america as a representation of social heirarchy, the tribal competitive construction of stonehenge, the nazcar lines drawn to be visible from above, the similarities between kon tiki, horus and jesus, and so on and on; it is in the end, the simplest adequate explanation.
In my view, religion is the politics of primitive people - it's how hunter gatherer tribes joined together to form muti tribal social groups, nations, empires - by adopting the same idea of God as authority for social laws that applied to everyone. It's how they overcame tribal heirarchy - they adopted an uber-alpha-male in the form of God.
That's not really how things played out as I understand it. In Western society, for example, it's theorized that religion was instrumental in state-building, but it did so by essentially weakening tribal social bonds and altering the nature of property ownership to be more impersonal. Also, leadership in democratic states can't be above the rule of law, and neither can religion.
Clearly, religion is still influential in politics though it doesn't have the power that it once had.
The 90's kids do! Are you laughing in little itty bits of data being slowly transported to your computer based on how many other kids are also hosting the mp3. you want? You're laughing in torrents, right?
Jack Sparrow and Aquawoman gaslit each other exactly 343 times over the course of their seven-year long relationship! That is an average of almost once a week! I know this because I have watched all 686 hours of their trial. Did you know 686 is twice 343! Learn more about the philosophy of mathematics by tuning in daily to the Shoutbox, where we keep you updated on the shit you need to know!
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That's not really how things played out as I understand it. In Western society, for example, it's theorized that religion was instrumental in state-building, but it did so by essentially weakening tribal social bonds and altering the nature of property ownership to be more impersonal. Also, leadership in democratic states can't be above the rule of law, and neither can religion. Clearly, religion is still influential in politics though it doesn't have the power that it once had.
Humans evolved; and for the longest time they lived as hunter gatherers in tribes between 40-120 strong. They had a tribal heirarchy; led by alpha males - who, to greater or lesser degrees, monopolized food and sexual opportunity.
Later, we have multi-tribal societies - leading to civilisations, city states, empires, nations. So how did humans make that transition originally? Given the heirarchical structure of ther hunter gatherer tribe; and the priviledges enjoyed by alpha males, how could any two such structures join together into a single cohesive whole?
Given the ubiquity of religious concepts to ancient civilisations, we can project backward in time - to events lost in the mists of history, to suppose - with a reasonable degree of certainty, that they overcame tribal dynamics by adopting the same idea of God.
What you're talking about; religion in Western society, occurs around 40,000 years after what I'm talking about - and after the fall of Rome in the west, reversed progress for about a thousand years, until civilisation flourished again.
It's actually quite interesting, because the fall of Rome, and long interregnum of the dark ages, followed by rediscovery of ancient knowledge as a consequence of the Crusades from about 1000 AD, gave Europeans a classicist perspective, with truth, knowledge, philosophy, medical knowledge - a backward looking endeavour. Interesting, but a different kettle of sausages altogether!
Reply to Baden Closing arguments today - might be worth your time; you'd get everything niclely summed up for you, and maybe then understand how this situation was fomented and enabled by an unquestionable MeToo hysteria - that in my view, is a post-modernist, neo marxist, identity politics, zero sum power game that uses people insofar as they can be cast as victims, to attack to the invariably straight white male oppressor!
Why I hate it so much is because they don't really care about the rights of the identity interest groups they pitch against Western civilisation. Like the greens don't really care about sustainability; because if they did, they'd have been calling for the application of Magma Energy technology from 1982 onward - not stop this, tax that, pay more and have less. It's anti-capitalism using sustainability as a weapon; just as MeToo is using Amber Heard and people like her as a weapon. And it's a zero sum power game; for them to win, everyone has to lose!
Oh I love Jacky Deep he was very good in Star Wars
Yeah, he was. I think it's so unfair when people call Deep a bloated, drug addled, child who has lost all control in the manner of his hero Cunter S Fuksom.
?karl stone You might want to update your history reading.
You update my history reading; I'm done; I've crafted a philosophy I'm happy with - one allows me to analyse and comprehend in morally moderate and epistemically valid terms, that which I happen across - in what must surely be the autumn of my life! Given the snarky, but sematically empty nature of your remark I can safely assume you're little more than a child, and so I encourage you to pick up where I left off! Best of luck to you!
Reply to karl stone I guess that's fair. I won't go into much detail but I will say that your conception of the following are wanting:
1. Hunter-gatherer societies: the applicability of "alpha males" is disputed and unscholarly, and the idea that they were distinctively hierarchical goes against modern research.
2. The dark ages: the idea that it was the Church that reversed progress, or that the dark ages were as dark as claimed, again goes against modern historical research.
But given that you've crafted a "philosophy" you're happy with, updating it is not an option for you.
Modern research? If by that you mean post-modern neo-Marxist research - that blithely denies biological fact to undermine concepts like heirachy - then, yeah, that's really modern! Utter bollocks, but super-duper modern!
I'm aware the Dark Ages didn't cast Europeans all the way back to the stone age; but Europe did lose greek and roman philosophy, atroloogy, math, construction methods - and so on and on, and have to reinvent a lot of these things independently. And it's also true that the Crusades from 1000 AD returned lost Greek and Roman knowledge to Europe - because that was the basis upon which the Papal Court of the Inquisition was founded around 1200 AD.
Reply to Jamal "Postmodernism is characterized by self-referentiality, epistemological relativism, moral relativism, pluralism, irony, irreverence, and eclecticism."
Or to put it another way, post modernism mocks that which it cannot understand.
Hamlet - act 1 scene 5 - there are greater things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Post modernist Hamlet - there are greater things in my philosophy than are dreamt of in heaven and earth!
Reply to Tate This is Warhol - a print of Chairman Mao from 1972 - and it's postmodernist art. I don't know what you mean by 'like this' - I'm talking about philosophy, not art. The medium of philosophy is ideas, not paint on canvas. I don't like the image; if that's what you're asking. Mao killed tens of millions of people; and I find the conflation of pop art and genocidal mass murder utterly nauseating. Post modernist philosophy does with a pallette of serious and important ideas - exactly what this print does with paint and canvas.
No? Okay then. I will. By saying 'this is gold' of my remarks, your implication is that Warhol's depiction of Mao is mockery, but that's not the case. It's a nauseating post modernist tribute to a mass murderer - many times more genocidal than Hitler.
"Warhol’s depiction of Mao was set in motion by President Richard Nixon’s visit to China, an event which was widely publicised on the world’s media stage in its quest to end years of diplomatic isolation between the two nations. Bruno Bischofberger, Warhol’s long-time dealer and supporter in Zurich, also encouraged Warhol to return to painting by making portraits of the man he saw to be the most important figure of the 20th century. The cult of Mao pervaded the Cultural Revolution of 1966–1976 with the Chairman’s image becoming the focus of political propaganda disseminated throughout China during this time. This inescapable ubiquity of Mao’s image instantly attracted Warhol, who drew comparisons with his own screen prints of iconic figures as he remarked, “I have been reading so much about China. They’re so nutty. They don’t believe in creativity. The only picture they ever have is of Mao Zedong. It’s great. It looks like a silkscreen.”
Warhol therefore chose to base his portrayal of Mao on the Communist leader’s internationally recognisable official portrait that was illustrated on the cover of the widely circulated 1966 publication Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong, also known as the Little Red Book. Between 1972 and 1973 Warhol created 199 Mao paintings in five set scales across five individual series, in addition to a series of 10 screen prints. The prints employ a broad spectrum of vivid colours that are synonymous with the printmaking technique and aesthetic of Warhol’s most renowned work."
Jack Sparrow and Aquawoman gaslit each other exactly 343 times over the course of their seven-year long relationship! That is an average of almost once a week! I know this because I have watched all 686 hours of their trial. Did you know 686 is twice 343! Learn more about the philosophy of mathematics by tuning in daily to the Shoutbox, where we keep you updated on the shit you need to know!
Speaking of posts, did you know Jacky Depp and Amber Bird are currently fighting for custody of a Victorian lamp post worth six million dollars? Learn more about 19th century philosophy by tuning in daily to the Shoutbox!
It's a bad idea to put words into the capo di tutti i capi's mouth, but I think the Administrator Formerly Known as Jamalrob is saying that, although it is unworthy of us to make fun of members, your smug, self-righteous, and intellectually unsupported responses make it so we don't have to feel bad when we do.
t's a bad idea to put words into the capo di tutti i capi's mouth, but I think the Administrator Formerly Known as Jamalrob is saying that, although it is unworthy of us to make fun of members, your smug, self-righteous, and intellectually unsupported responses make it so we don't have to feel bad when we do.
So far, you've been wrong about Warhol mocking Mao - when in fact it was a tribute, inspired by political diplomatic overtures, and now attributed an imitation of Warhol's aesthetic to the original artist. You try to mock me but are making a mockery of yourselves!
Remember what happened last time you said that. But ok - my wife made spinach and green chile enchiladas last night. They'd be good for dinner tonight except I ate two servings yesterday.
Where do I sign up? Between this and eating enough liver to grow a new one, this could just combine for the miracle cure I need.
You can look up Japan creating t-shirts with vitamin C (yeah, I thought there were shirts that had multiple vitamins, lol :sweat: )
I'm not sure about growing a liver. I know that alcohol and too much protein are very taxing on human liver -- hence, it's good to avoid drinking too much and eating too much protein.
Reply to Noble Dust I'm at my local Azerbaijani cafe, just ordered a lamb kebab and grilled veg. It's bring your own wine but my wife didn't like the wine I got so she's off to get another. I wait here on the terrace in the springy evening sunshine, watching folks walk by, puffing on my vape.
I'm taking today off to extend the long Memorial Day weekend. I'll take Fred to the park and then get naked but for a cocksock and hop in the pool when the wife gets home with the better bottle of wine, which I'll await while casually puffing my Sherlock Holmes pipe.
Given the ubiquity of religious concepts to ancient civilisations, we can project backward in time - to events lost in the mists of history, to suppose - with a reasonable degree of certainty, that they overcame tribal dynamics by adopting the same idea of God.
I take it you’ve been reading Yuval Noah Harari (Sapiens)? That’s all well and good as far as I know, but you seem to be applying those ideas with far too big a brush. The development of states requires overcoming kinship and tribal bonds, from what I understand, but religion has played various roles in this societal development, sometimes aiding the development of states and capitalism, such as in the West, and in other cultures, like India, it has apparently hindered the development of a strong state.
I take it you’ve been reading Yuval Noah Harari (Sapiens)? That’s all well and good as far as I know, but you seem to be applying those ideas with far too big a brush. The development of states requires overcoming kinship and tribal bonds, from what I understand, but religion has played various roles in this cultural development, sometimes aiding the development of states and capitalism, such as in the West, and in other cultures, like India, it has hindered the development of a strong state.
I wish I could say I have, but no. I've just read a review on wikipedia, and while I'm addressing the same broad theme - the evolutionary history of humankind, my arguments differ in significant ways. I don't consider morality fictional - in the sense of an intellectual exercise. I believe that human beings are imbued with a moral sense by virtue of tribal evolution; and that religion, philosophy, law, politics, economics are expressions of the innate moral sense.
I also take issue with this idea:
"Harari sees the Scientific Revolution as founded on innovation in European thought, whereby elites became willing to admit to, and hence to try to remedy, their ignorance."
Quite the opposite. The Church put Galileo on trial for heresy and philosophy invented subjectivism to avoid responsibility to science as truth. They used science as a tool to drive the Industrial Revolution from 1730 ish, but developed and applied technologies for the the power and profit of pre-existing religious, political and economic ideological architectures that remained unreformed in relation to science as truth - such that, even unto today, we have climate change denial.
Any similarities are a consequence the same subject matter, not the same approach or conclusions.
If you’re referring to postmodernism I think the intended target is straight white males, like Mr. Depp. Hay, we’ve gone full circle!
I haven't moved at all. I was referring to subjectivism; specifically Descartes Mediations on First Philosophy, which uses a method of radical skepticism to forge the foundational subjectivist axiom 'I think therefore I am' - while Galielo was on trial for his works, life and eternal soul for using scientific method to prove earth orbits the sun. Descartes and Galileo were contemporaries; and when Galileo was arrested Descartes withdrew a work on physics entitled 'The World' and wrote Meditations instead, to accord with religious ideas of the soul.
Post modernism is the result of this massive over-emphasis on subjectivism in Western philosophy; it's a subjectivist philosophy - but pomo didn't occur until ~350 year after the events I'm talking about there.
Further, pomo alone isn't the sole source of political correctness. Political correctness draws upon critical theory, pomo, neo-marxism and identity politics; fermented together in the seven stomachs of the cow that is left wing University humanities departments since the 1960's civil rights era - and has progressed far beyond MLK's dream that his children be judged - not on the colour of their skin but the content of their character.
Political correctness does judge people on the colour of thier skin, their sex, sexual orientation, etc. It divides people into identity interest groups it pitches against eachother, and specifically against the "white male patriarchy" for political advantage. I'm with MLK, I like women, I don't care who consenting adults sleep with - but I despise political correctness.
Political correctness does judge people on the colour of thier skin, their sex, sexual orientation, etc. It divides people into identity interest groups it pitches against eachother, and specifically against the "white male patriarchy" for political advantage.
Ah, that explains why there are no white male patriarchs on the left side of the aisle, and why some speech is PC, even though all speech is only valid from the perspective of an individual group.
Went for a walk and found a lost dog and called the lost dog people who will look for his lost people. I yelled a bunch of names at his face to try to see what he'd respond to. The fucker ignored me, so I named him Iggy.
He's a Great Pyrenees and looks full breed. If you want him, let me know and I'll PM him to you.
Reply to Hanover Those guys are too barky and territorial. They’re tedious assholes, but otherwise friendly. Not recommended unless you have livestock.
Reply to Noble Dust Italian, Spanish, and French wine is still available too. I haven’t seen any big interruption in wine supplies from the West so far. Coffee beans though: the good stuff doubled in price.
Good for you. I’m an American Spirits guy. That’s how I lie to myself that it’s all good.
The wine industry is weird and backwards in a lot of ways; I’m not surprised there haven’t been any interruptions. Saperavi is quite an intense wine for a go-to.
Hipster cigarettes; organic-ish with no additives whatsoever. They last 10 minutes, even the lightest blend, which I smoke. An intense go-to cigarette.
I like Saperavi but I’m only good for like half a glass. I’m a Riesling head.
I'm a straight white male. Boris Johnson is a straight white male. Political correctness puts us in the same identity politics category, but I assure you, Boris Johnson inhabits a different universe from the one in which I live. I'm working class, and from the wrong side of the tracks. Boris was born with a silver spoon up his arse, went to Eton and Oxford, and via jouranlism went into politics. My deeply dysfunctional family lived in a one up one down back to back house with an outside toilet. Boris Johnson and I, are not the same.
That so, one might suppose a similarly massive disparity could exist between any two individuals within any identity politics interest group. It's a complete nonsense to categorize people by skin colour, sex and sexual orientation - yet, for the sake of this weaponsing of identity politics to attack the white male patriarchy, I am further disadvanatged as anyone who can claim minority status - is eligible for vartious forms of assistance to which I'm not entitled.
For example, recently, here in the UK - a rapper named Stormzy created scholarships to Cambridge University for black students, and everyone applauded him giving back to his community. Me included, good on him! Some years later, a man named Sir Brian Thwaites - who came from circumstances little different to my own - but got the opportunity to attend a good school, and made good in life, wanted to create scholarships for white working class boys like himself, but his money was rejected, and he was condemned as racist. Why? Because in the eyes of political correctness - I'm the same as Boris Johnson! A straight white male - so therefore similarly priviledged!
Consider further that political correctness is based in part on Marxism; and from 1845 upto the 1980's, Marxist's sought to convince the working class to cast of their chains, appropriate the means of production - and hand it all over to the Marxists for safe keeping in the name of the people. Their target then was the same as it is now - the bourgeoisie/the white male patriarchy is the same target; but neo-marxist's happily cast the working class aside, careless that politically correct weaponising of minority interests disadvatages the white working class they purported to represent for so long.
Therein lies a warning; these Marxists don't give a fuck about the people they purport to represent; they're just using people for self aggrandizing political ends. Like Mhari Black - a British MP who took a drag queen named Flowjob into schools to read to primary school children. I'm not saying Flowjob did anything untoward at all - but is an adult performer, to put it mildly. Parents were naturally concerned; I mean, would you take a porn star into schools to read to children? It's outrageous, and in my view Mhari Black knew there would be outrage - and right on cue she mounted her politically correct moral high horse to condemn the parents as homophobes, transphobes and bigots. Political correctness is clearly a nonsense, and it's a wicked nonsense.
Reply to karl stone I'm an old working class gay white male and I agree with the objections you raised. In an analogous situation, several of us attended the St. Olaf College Christmas concert. Quite predictably, one of the party objected that there were no blacks in the choir. Why should there be? St. Olaf serves the descendants of Norwegian / Swedish immigrants in Minnesota. Admission is limited, and tuition is high. It's a heritage institution. (There are a few minority students there, but apparently they didn't want to sing in one of the choirs.) For some odd reason, the American Swedish Institute here doesn't feature displays about African or Asian history. Cultural diversity presumably includes the various white ethnic cultural groups.
would you take a porn star into schools to read to children
I can think of a better use for a porn star than having him read to children. I mean, elocution isn't the skill that comes to mind first.
I remember my distant childhood, and like other children, was interested in sex on the childhood level. Sure, children have interests in sex, but that doesn't mean children should be given "too much information" too soon. The child's sexual interest, identity, role, and all that will unfold without adults taking too strong a hand in the matter. How does a drag queen relate to the concerns of 8 year olds?
Demand destruction is a side effect of high inflation. An example is that stores are ending up with a lot of unsold fruit because it's so high in price.
If you're willing to buy fruit that is almost too old to sell, you can scoop up excellent deals.
I'm an old working class gay white male and I agree with the objections you raised. In an analogous situation, several of us attended the St. Olaf College Christmas concert. Quite predictably, one of the party objected that there were no blacks in the choir. Why should there be? St. Olaf serves the descendants of Norwegian / Swedish immigrants in Minnesota. Admission is limited, and tuition is high. It's a heritage institution. (There are a few minority students there, but apparently they didn't want to sing in one of the choirs.) For some odd reason, the American Swedish Institute here doesn't feature displays about African or Asian history. Cultural diversity presumably includes the various white ethnic cultural groups.
It's difficult to even talk about without feeding into the polarisation that political correctness creates, and that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm sure you're not either. It's the double standard that infuriates me; because I imagine, had it been an all black choir, that same person would not have objected. But had they done so, my response would have been the same as yours: why should there be? In political correctness land, cultural integrity is a postive thing for black people, and a racist thing for white people. Also though, a group of gay guys going to see a choir. That's soooo gay!
They're really pushing the gender self identification thing here; trans rights have run smack bang into women's rights, and there's uproar on twitter - that's not feeding into the media, nor into politics. The leader of the Labour Party here, Keir Starmer is pledged to make gender self identification law - seemingly blissfully unaware, or careless of the conflicts such a policy would create. I assume you're aware of the Lea Thomas furore; the trans swimmer ranked about 900th as a man, smashing women's records as a "woman." Then there's men in womens prisons raping the inmates, children being told in schools there's 99 genders, and when they become dysphoric - being fed puberty blockers under a pc policy to "only affirm." According to Dr Marcus Evans, that's a direct contradition of best clinical practice - on the basis of a dogma cooked up in sociology departments, without serious peer review - because no-one dare disagree. No-one can say - hang on a minuet, let's think about this, because that automatically makes you a hateful bigot. Political correctness is in my view, a destructive dogma, and intentionally so. It's not about being nice; that's the guise the devil wears - but it's utterly pernicious, and it needs to stop.
It's difficult to even talk about without feeding into the polarisation that political correctness creates, and that's not what I'm trying to do.
I think that's exactly what you're trying to do. Almost everything you've written in this chain has clearly come from resentment. It's not fair!! Stomps feet. The fact that you brought this up in the context of the legal wrangling of two celebrities shows just how seriously you should be taken.
I wish you'd shut up and start an appropriate thread for your whining. That way I wouldn't keep tripping across your crap in the Shoutbox, which I usually enjoy reading. I promise, if you start a new thread, I'll stay away.
Hey, moderators, how about you have a word with Mr. Stone.
This has been going on at length for 3 days. It belongs in a separate thread. You've got a captive audience here of people who want to just get on with the trivial bullshit we usually mess around with here on the Shoutbox.
Reply to T Clark Oh, you still are doing the trivial bullshit thing, and my question to you is, why are you doing it on a philosophy forum? Why don't you try twitter - I think it would be much more your speed!
Also though, a group of gay guys going to see a choir. That's soooo gay!
It is indeed soooo gay, but gay is good, so there is that. Actually, it's not all that gay. Choral music is very popular here. Minnesota itself is in many ways a cultural backwater. This stagnant midwestern pond needs all the oxygen we faggots can blow into it.
I mean, you have no idea how profoundly stodgy a state composed of Norwegian Lutherans and German Catholics can be.
Reply to T Clark There's nothing wrong with talking about issues of the day in a bar, or in the Shoutbox. It's probably bad form to talk philosophy in a brothel -- I mean, philosophy is kind of irrelevant to the task at hand.
Oh, you still are doing the trivial bullshit thing, and my question to you is, why are you doing it on a philosophy forum? Why don't you try twitter - I think it would be much more your speed!
Please, just start a separate thread. I want to read about the stir fried Ethiopian dung beetles @Noble Dust had for dinner. I want to read ND and @Jamal discussing Chechnyan yak blood wine vintages. I want to hear what @Hanover has to say about Wonka® brand willie warmers.
Reply to Bitter Crank I just watched Raymond Holt snog the face off Kevin Cozner on Brooklyn 99. I'm fine with the gay thing. It's not my cup of tea; and that's the point - if I have a cup of tea I can't judge anyone else's preferences. Wouldn't dream of it. I like gay culture; largely as portrayed on TV - but upto a certain point. I'll be honest, it's the squealing gays I find just a bit too much. I like Will more than Jack, and Grace a lot more than Will!
Please, just start a separate thread. I want to read about the stir fried Ethiopian dung beetles Noble Dust had for dinner. I want to read ND and @Jamal discussing Chechnyan yak blood wine vintages. I want to hear what @Hanover has to say about Wonka® brand willie warmers.
I looked back at your comments, and haven't found one that's a serious contribution on any topic. Seriously mate, twitter!
Please, just start a separate thread. I want to read about the stir fried Ethiopian dung beetles Noble Dust had for dinner. I want to read ND and @Jamal discussing Chechnyan yak blood wine vintages. I want to hear what @Hanover has to say about Wonka® brand willie warmers.
He has a compound gripe, which is that white people aren't allowed to gripe when they have an equal basis to gripe. It's a right to the fair gripe thing. Gripes might properly belong in the shoutbox alongside GooberGloves (tm), (the brand name I just coined), I'm not really sure. I'd have my grandmother knit me a GooberGlove had she not died 40 years ago.
In my R&D Department, I'm trying to create a ladies' counterpart to the GooberGlove. I'm going to call it the CooterComfy. Until it's fully developed, the girls will need to just invert and insert the GooberGloves to keep their petunias warm on those chilly stodgy Minnesota nights. I can think of no other way to keep such parts warm.
In my R&D Department, I'm trying to create a ladies' counterpart to the GooberGlove. I'm going to call it the CooterComfy. Until it's fully developed, the girls will need to just invert and insert the GooberGloves to keep their petunias warm on those chilly stodgy Minnesota nights. I can think of no other way to keep such parts warm.
You see!! You see!! This is the kind of thing that belongs here. Enquiring minds want to know.
It's somewhat typical of a certain type of person to want to tell others what to do; and invariably, they're the most ardent acolytes of political correctness! I'm delighted to defy you on both levels!
It's somewhat typical of a certain type of person to want to tell others what to do; and invariably, they're the most ardent acolytes of political correctness! I'm delighted to defy you on both levels!
Yes, you're a hero. Please just start a separate thread.
Speaking of whatever we're talking about, I was at a happy hour with this young associate, and I asked him if he knew what what my last name meant in German. The answer was a type of animal. He guessed "Jew." I told him that was the riskiest guess he could make and anti-semitish, but I liked his reckless sense of danger.
Reply to T Clark Please just try twitter. Firstly it's jam packed with idiots talking low grade shite. Also though, if you don't like someone - you can block them and never have to see thier posts again; like I would do with you here if I could!
Please just try twitter. Firstly it's jam packed with idiots talking low grade shite. Also though, if you don't like someone - you can block them and never have to see thier posts again; like I would do with you here if I could!
Reply to T Clark All you have to do is mind your own business! I'm not preventing you from doing anything you want to do. You are however, seeking to infringe upon my liberties. Rawls would be disgusted by your behaviour!
All you have to do is mind your own business! I'm not preventing you from doing anything you want to do. You are however, seeking to infringe upon my liberties.
Dude, @Streetlight and I are united in our frustration of your spamming of the shoutbox. That says a lot. To say nothing of Clarky, who I can never tag properly. At what point will you be satisfied?
Reply to Noble Dust The pc brigade and ganging up now, you really must be annoyed. How deligthful that I'm giving you a slight taste of the anger and frustration your stupid dogma has inflicted on my society for far too long you radical left wing simps!
Reply to karl stone it's really not ganging up or people even disagreeing with you. I read their objections as being based upon your attempt to create substantive posts in the general water cooler thread.
We don't heavily moderate the Shoutbox because it's sort of a free for all area, but, for the sake of keeping the site orderly and for visitors to find topics to discuss, it would make sense to post it in a specific thread.
My fear though is that you might be too invested in this pissing battle to alter course and post in a separate thread, but it would make logical sense if you want actual debate about the topic you've been bringing up.
Reply to Hanover I honestly don't anticpate a worhwhile debate Hanover, and perhaps that's because you tolerate people on a philosophy forum who take great delight in dragging everything down to their level - which is pretty damn low to be fair. I wasn't here long before I read a thread by counterpunch on magma energy - and it wasn't so much debated as attacked until the guy just gave up! If that's how this forum treats someone who seemed to be making an honest attempt to address the existential threat of climate change, in such a way as to afford prosperous sustainable future - then prosposing I start a seperate thread because it would allow for serious debate is obviously a ruse. If serious debate is your intent, it's not me, or counterpunch - you want rid of!
I want to read about the stir fried Ethiopian dung beetles Noble Dust had for dinner.
Tomorrow is my day off after working 7 days in a row. I have a delivery minutes away: a bacon cheeseburger, along with a sampler platter of mozzarella sticks, wings, and tenders. Pray I survive the night.
?Noble Dust The pc brigade and ganging up now, you really must be annoyed. How deligthful that I'm giving you a slight taste of the anger and frustration your stupid dogma has inflicted on my society for far too long you radical left wing simps!
Gently, brother Karl. They may be stupid dogmatic radical left wing com-simps, but they are OUR stupid dogmatic radical left wing com-simps. Cooling their overheated brainpans is a slow and steady process; lay the chilled cloths gently on their fevered brows.
With all due respect, the guys you are having differences with are good folk (as much as any of us are good folk).
You are good folks, BC. You have a way of bringing out decency in others with your tact and gentle wit. They are not good folks; not tactful, not witty, and nor are they philosophers. They are gatekeeping philosophy by mob handedly trashing anything that stirs the pot. Like counterpunch:
@counterpunch was right; magma energy is a thing. It was developed by NASA in 1982 - and proven a source of near limitless clean energy. This link is from the US Department of Energy website - and is entitled Status of the Magma Energy Project.
Dunn, J. C. (Sandia National Labs., Albuquerque, NM.)
Abstract
The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept. Several concepts for drilling, energy extraction, and materials survivability were successfully demonstrated in Kilauea Iki lava lake, Hawaii. The present program is addressing the engineering design problems associated with accessing magma bodies and extracting thermal energy for power generation. The normal stages for development of a geothermal resource are being investigated: exploration, drilling and completions, production, and surface power plant design. Current status of the engineering program and future plans are described.
A quad is a quadrillion btu - and global energy demand is around 650 quads. That implies there's a minimum of a thousand times global energy demand available from magma just in the US alone. That was 40 years ago - and that energy source has still not been developed.
Most surprisng to me is that it was not developed by Vice President Al Gore; "The Inconvenient Truth" guy. He made films and wrote books, set up a foundation on climate change - but apparently, at no time during his tenure did NASA get on the phone, and say 'Hey Al, that climate change thing - there's an app for that!' At no time since, has the now obscenly rich former Vice President thought to take a glimpse at the US Department of Energy website. Nor has Greta Thunberg, the IPCC, COP26, Greenpeace, Extinction Rebellion etc, etc.
Neither did counterpunch apparently. He was working on a purely theoretical basis - when he suggested it should be possible to harness magma energy; when mob handedly attacked and driven off the forum by the sheer weight of sneering numbers. He started a thread, and I have to wonder if that thread was actually visible on the front page - or if it was buried about 5 levels down where no one would ever see it, while seeming to him to be on the front page! I also wonder if that's why you object to me posting in the shoutbox, because it is visible.
I imagine that guy is drinking in a park somewhere, grumbling that he could have saved the world. Now you'll have excuse me. It's a lovely sunny day!
Reply to JamalBecause he thinks @counterpunch, who (many months ago) argued that tapping into the earth's magma to resolve our climate change issues, was unfairly berated into leaving the site, so Karl now refuses to engage in any substantive area of this site because he believes he won't get a fair shake there, so he remains here in the Shoutbox, much to the disappointment of many here, who wish he'd start a thread regarding his various arguments.
He's now offering support for his theory that counterpunch was mistreated and presenting to us the magma theory so we can see for ourselves.
And that should bring you up to speed. Gotta stay sharp to follow the Shoutbox.
I enjoyed hardboiled eggs and cashews for breakfast.
Upgraded my contract and I am now expecting a Google Pixel 6 phone, on Monday; has anyone got a Google Pixel? Worth 55£ a month (including insurance and unlimited contract)?
I'll mainly be using it for blogging philosophy and art on my Wix max premium site.
Hopefully it runs on thermal energy magma(joking, just siding with the mods here; you probably have the right idea).
I guess we need a very large apparatus to extract energy, from magma.
The apparatus is perfectly good at containing magma heat in a technical way to reduce a majority of thermal loss in the extraction process, or it's ineffective.
Of course, it would work, but have you got an efficient technology?
Plug won't work. Press and release won't do the job. You need a technology spreading at a concave, pressing outward and tensing upward, at the least.
You need a rhythmic external manipulation to stir internal forces with an increasing intensity and focus, slowly building pressure, until a culmination and forceful release if you expect the continuation of life as we know it.
A plug of sorts might be a place to start, but without a subsequent process as I've described, it will ultimately only be frustrating and not satisfying your aim.
Reply to Hanover Agreed. Good shot. You obviously have the scientific skill my eyes do not.
Probably need to use relaxed energy of the apparatus and a turbine array that spins to generate torque, might need to use a little energy, here and there.
My suppressed, emotionally stunted midwestern brain doesn’t know what to do with compliments, but thank you. Perhaps it’s time to switch to Dusty. :chin:
The real question is should I thaw one of my precious free bagels I get from the spot by my job this afternoon in order to make an egg and cheese sando. :brow:
Reply to karl stoneReply to JamalReply to Hanover I remember the geothermal / magma thread. People have hung their hats on more absurd hooks. There was also a lengthy discussion elsewhere on floating very large solar generating arrays on the ocean. I thought that was unlikely, but apparently it is being done. So there!
Karl is no more hung up than any of us, at one time or another.
Just as an aside, starting a thread on gender issues, political correctness, etc would result in more interaction from a wider audience on TPF than the Shoutbox. Presumably.
Ketchup and avocado? Mustard and avocado? Mayo and avocado? Gag. Mustard is for hot dogs. Ketchup is for french fries. Mayo is for peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches.
Reply to Clarky Quality beef, raw onion, and very good bread is what you need. Trendy Clarky tried guacamole because he saw a picture of it in a magazine at the barber shop.
Trendy Clarky tried guacamole because he saw a picture of it in a magazine at the barber shop.
It was avocado, not guacamole. And I haven't had a haircut in 6 months. As for trendy, I am a trend leader for sound, pragmatic philosophy and Simpsons video clips.
I have an odd attraction to silverware (Rogers Brothers oval thread), china (W.S. George petalware), women's names (Tan Vo, Lolita Davidovitz), women with red hair, mean women, stone buildings (Machu Pichu), glass Christmas Tree ornaments, and a partridge in a pear tree.
Reply to Noble Dust Dipped in a cappuccino or spread with butter and jam are acceptable, but there is no context in which brioche is the best choice. I don't think it's a good bread. If aliens arrived and we presented them with brioche as an example of the art of bread, I'd be embarrassed on behalf of humanity. It pains me to admit that this is just my opinion.
I've noticed recently that I prefer heavy flatware, and once I feel the delicious weight of a heaver ware I can't go back to a lighter ware. I suppose there must be a limit on how heavy I could go, but I think it would be quite high.
I don't have a strong opinion on Brioche. This is the best burger in the world, the Galley Boy
I will accept that it is your favorite burger, and it certainly looks like a very nice one, but, as any true connoyseer knows, the best burger can only be the one you're eating now. While I was eating the burger with avocado on a bulkie in picture, rest assured it was the best burger in the world.
I've noticed recently that I prefer heavy flatware, and once I feel the delicious weight of a heaver ware I can't go back to a lighter ware. I suppose there must be a limit on how heavy I could go, but I think it would be quite high.
Rogers Brothers Oval Thread has a very nice heft. See the fork and spoon on the left below. The spoon on the right is the solid silver one that my parents had made when I was born, or, as I like to call it, the silver spoon I was born with in my mouth. If I had the money, I would buy sterling rather than silver plate. Alas.
Real Madrid is playing Liverpool at the local Taco Mac. It's zero to zero, or nil nil as they say. People are cheering on Liverpool. I dIdn't realize the sizeable Liverpool population out here. They must've recently immigrated. I'll check for bad teeth to confirm if they're authentic or imposters.
The Metropolitan Opera is performing Phillip Glass's Akhenaten. The star of the show, Akhnaten, makes his entrance naked. According to an interview, the au natural entrance produces an intense dramatic reaction (not shock, not erotic) in both the performer and the audience. I like Glass; I saw his Satyagraha on PBS several years ago. Glass's music is harmonically pleasant; it's libretto is in English; what would be recitative in classic opera is here spoken. The orchestral parts, per Glass, are highly repetitive. AIDA it is not. John Adams' Dr. Atomic was also very good.
The 1982 film, Koyaanisqatsi Life out of Balance Glass's score to amplify the alienation of industrialized urban life.
The tanks behind the sun bathers in the opening of this segment look like the digestion tanks in sewage treatment works. (@Clarky civil engineer)
The tanks behind the sun bathers in the opening of this segment look like the digestion tanks in sewage treatment works.
Yes. This is the Deer Island plant in Boston. It cost about $4 billion. Thank you very much American taxpayers. Engineers like the type of digesters used here and in your photo because you can use real egg shells when you make models.
Reply to Clarky I've never heard the term, but I do recall the English being really proud of their Sunday roast, which was really dry and served with shriveled potatoes.
As I mentioned, I am reading a translation of the "Night Watch" books by Sergei Lukyanenko. In the story, it says that Russians all watch "A Twist of Fate" on New Years eve. Is that true? It sounds like how everyone here watches "It's a Wonderful Life" at Christmas time.
Fuck you got me! I was trying to pretend I had been a member of the old forum, but you outed me! I'm so dumb. "Some older person" told me about the old forum and now I'm dead to rights here on the new forum. Nice work!
Reply to Noble Dust Indeed. It's not so important, there's lots of oldies here who can show you the ropes, or you could just post threads we've seen previously- being so gloriously ancient...
Reply to Noble Dust I'm on a short timer my friend, as we are from that era. Philosophy isn't the same as it was back then... Fortunately I can give you some advice, make a thread on, let's say, the differences between swans and geese - or the implications of being a gamer, or not.
Fortunately I can give you some advice, make a thread on, let's say, the differences between swans and geese - or the implications of being a gamer, or not.
Unfortunately you've lost me here. I was so exuberant, so hopeful. All this time. And all this time. I'm truly at a loss. I don't know what to do or say.
Reply to Michael beyond that, what is a difference between a swan and a goose? I dare you to name one.(you're speaking to the guy who owns the place...) Uh... On second thought, over there! Seriously, there's something over there!
I've always liked the spastic nature of memes... Or have I; we don't like, we don't believe, everything's linear... And apparently 'spastic nature of memes' is a derogatory term that no-one ought use!
I need this migraine to go away so that I can see and better comprehend what I'm reading.
Maybe I'll write a short story about a guy who falls in love under the influence of a migraine only to emerge and realize he's made a terrible mistake once the aura and confusion dissipates. He then spends the rest of his life eating strange foods, staring at the sun, and depriving himself of sleep in the hope of recreating the migraine so that he can feel that love again.
It's a cookie cutter chasing the elusive high/coming of age story in a neurological setting that most of us grew up on.
I must be a very small man with no significance to anyone outside of this realm. This is big to me, super-duper massive like a big bang gone wrong. I think the original big bang was meant to turn out as an oval shape- this ain't that.
Woo, it big. Perhaps I'm very small. Insignificant.
And then it hit me...
The stars are not there, the planet is simulated as of contact, and I'm the only person here. Would explain the maleficent oval that is, the universe, reminding me of an error. However, you are here too, except much smaller, from a much bigger universe, at least, in some way, looking down upon me. Great engineering is the universe of which the creator of my dream come from and your dreams(plural) but the engineering of this universe is pretty much on my side of things. I might consider it capable of an act of war, there may be a third party influence whether moral or financial, which wouldn't go far, and seethes off of my role in the game.
I bought some imported Japanese soy sauce. It smells like a barleywine beer, but just tastes like soy sauce. I was relieved. Unfortunately the stir fry I made with it was kinda lame. That’s all I got, sorry.
Breakfast was a cross between shakshuka and huevos rancheros. It was shakshuka because I used lots of sesame seeds and had some hummus on the side, and it was huevos rancheros because I piled jalapeños and cheese on the top.
Dinner was grilled eggplant with tvorog on top. The tvorog was mixed with chopped garlic and dill. Tvorog is similar to quark. Quark is similar to cottage cheese.
Reply to Noble Dust Both are eggs poached in a tomato sauce. I didn't mention that for fear of stating the obvious. I should have known that on TPF I'd have to cross the Ts and dot the Is. :wink:
Both are eggs poached in a tomato sauce. I didn't mention that for fear of stating the obvious.
@Noble Dust Correction: looks like huevos rancheros isn't necessarily exactly what I thought. Seems it's often just fried eggs with a salsa topping, rather than poached like shakshuka.
Correction: looks like huevos rancheros isn't necessarily exactly what I thought. Seems it's often just fried eggs with a salsa topping, rather than poached like shakshuka.
Vindication. I think I've avoided the dish because I'm weird about what my eggs are paired with. I'm sure it's delicious, but it's not really on my short list of dishes to try.
Vindication. I think I've avoided the dish because I'm weird about what my eggs are paired with. I'm sure it's delicious, but it's not really on my short list of dishes to try.
I was also sceptical, because I don't like tomatoes with eggs. But when it's a sauce its different.
Strangely what I don't like is salsa with eggs. I had a bad experience in which my local bodega gave me the wrong sandwich and some heathen had ordered scrambled eggs with pico de gaillo and nothing else. I was starving and hung over so I ate it and was immediately sick.
Vindication. I think I've avoided the dish because I'm weird about what my eggs are paired with. I'm sure it's delicious, but it's not really on my short list of dishes to try.
Eggs are so wonderful all by themselves, why screw with them - fried, poached, soft-boiled, hard-boiled, scrambled, baked, coddled, shirred. No need to be fancy. I must admit I go for an omelet from time to time and my wife makes great devilled eggs.
I'm just finicky about eggs in general, but my favorite breakfast dish is easily Eggs Benedict. Which of course goes against the concept of keeping it simple, but...
I'm just finicky about eggs in general, but my favorite breakfast dish is easily Eggs Benedict. Which of course goes against the concept of keeping it simple, but...
As that great philosopher T Clark, for whom I was named, said - A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little short order cooks.
I occasionally make what I call Mexican Breakfast. Kind of racist I guess, but it's torn up corn tortillas sauteed in butter until slightly crispy, then add eggs and scramble it up. Add shredded sharp cheddar moments before removing it from the pan. Dish with a generous amount of salsa and a decorative garnish. Simple but such a stick-to-your-ribs meal that you can skip lunch.
Racism is poorly drawn out, every man of color should be provided for as much as every other man.
There's no love to it, it's a matter of self respect.
However, you shouldn't bunch them in to movies- it's to blatent/thus unprofessional.
And they should be able to take a joke. No man should be going home under attack from his own skin, lest he lost a war- then it's acceptable- it's himself to blame.
Racism can be measured as consistent torture with a petty weapon(using a fairground blow up hammer and constantly hitting someone plus hate).
That is unlawful by sentient standards, you don't repeat the same thing to anyone, unless they deserve it.
Don't worry racists of this calibre will be punished. I consider myself licenced to be racist, and so ought you(a metaphor/analogy intending to symbolise how race is like family, and thus there is a thing like parenthood and a thing like father/mother).
In these books I am reading there is a girl. She starts out a baby and has grown to be 15 years old. She is called by so many names - Nadenka, Nadya, Nadiushka, Nadeshda, Nadishda, Nadyusha, Nadyenka, Nadienka, Nadius.
What's up with that? I think Nadya is her main name. I'm assuming the rest are nicknames or terms of affection. The same is true of some of the other characters, but she has the most.
Reply to Clarky Her given name would be Nadezhda, and the rest, you're pretty much right: they're standard diminutives of that name. Why Russians have so many diminutives, I'm not sure, but they're sometimes subtly different from each other, used in different contexts.
Most Russian given names have more than one diminutive. Dmitriy becomes Mitya or Dima, Vladimir becomes Valodya, Vova, etc.
Reply to Clarky I've tried using them but my wife told me to stop because it sounded wrong, that I should just carry on saying honey lamb and sweet cheeks.
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Generally I behave as if in the presence of the Queen.
Which is how?
Yeah this doesn’t tell us anything.
I eat salad with the small fork, I curtsy, and I blow a trumpet to announce her arrival. Basic nobility protocol.
Did you ever watch Mr. Bean, if so then you know the answer already. :rofl:
I assume you carry a pocket trumpet?
Is the Queen visiting, or are you just happy to see me?
Oh I bust out my Les Paul and Marshall full stack when the Queen visits.
How much did you pay for it?
All I can say, to whoever it was I beat, IN YOUR FACE!
Well, they created the basket, and I entered my bid.
My sons and I used to eat at Waffle House often. It was our thing. We'd play "Ring of Fire" on the jukebox every time we went. My son tells me he still does that when he's there with his friends. The song reminds me of pecan waffles to this day.
Waffle House sentimentality. I bet you never knew there was such a thing..
It was a gift from Joe Biden.
No. Although I'm aware of the sentimentality towards bland, diner foods.
Quoting Noble Dust
:razz:
Tell me about such bland food sentimentality.
Oh shit! You don't know? You're dead then.
Fuck! That is bad news!
Lemme text work and call in dead.
I know what your boss would say, "So, you can't submit that report next week, then?"
Following that, if you lie your head flat ear to table and try to fall asleep, that will be the least fun meal ever.
If I tinker with the story a bit and have a skinhead juggling fiery chainsaws in the room, well then, that would be something to talk about at the water cooler the next day.
Little details can really change someone's day.
Are you describing the purgatory?
When we went to Rumley's when I was in high school, my friend Bruce and I always ordered two chili-dogs and a coke each. Then we played "Hey Jude" twice for a quarter. The music would last through the whole meal.
Maybe, considering I'm dead and that describes my every meal.
I guess I'm entering the enlightened purgatory state where I now know I'm in purgatory and not just wondering why it's so boring every day.
Like which is worse, to be Sisyphus and not know it or to realize the meaninglessness?
That's something to think about while I spoon saltless potato salad in my mouth. Thanks for the diversion!
I used to go down to the Tastee Freez with Diane and order a chili dog and we'd play this:
Perhaps try seasoning your potato salad with a pinch of amor fati. :yum:
The problem is you can never maintain those heights of blandness. In time, you'd become attuned to all sorts of nuances nobody else would notice. Oh it's Yukon Golds this time, I can detect that hint of aggressive crunch to the potato chunks, and so on.
Eventually you'd look forward to 10:30, anticipating the spoon's clink against the saucer.
The next time you're exposed to true blandness, savor the moment as if it will never come again, because it probably won't.
On a Tuesday.
This morning, freshly filleted lightly salted hot-smoked Siberian trout with one home-poached free-range chicken's egg, served on a small hand-toasted slice of pumpernickel, with salt milled to 1 millimetre, black peppercorns freshly ground in a pestel and mortar, plus a small dollop of 20% fat sour cream.
Also, I really have to start saying no to vodka.
I've suddenly lost my taste for fancy food.
I was preparing this same dish to virtually share it with you, but we don't have millimeters in the US, so I was unable to make it.
They use the SI system for science here, so you could get a scientist to grind the salt for you. Or you could try it yourself, keeping in mind that a millimetre is approximately 1.5 inches.
:gasp:
That means I'm about four and a half centimetres tall.
Welcome Vincent! :up:
I don't know much about philosophy, but recently I'm very interested to know more. Didn't know this forum existed. Happy to discover it and maybe learn from it
Truste me, you will learn a lot here :up:
I believe it's called a pester the mortal.
You should move out to the country, eat a lot of peaches, pet goat ears, get the chickens off the top of the coop and throw them in the coop, yell at the dog when he chases the goats, block the cat from darting out the door, put the chihuahuas under the covers, and wait for it to be warm enough to jump in the pool.
Or you can live like a sardine.
I tried this for a week but I ended up caught and sealed in a tin only to be released and eaten on pumpernickel by an old Trotskyite. I wouldn't advocate this lifestyle choice...
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Carry on.
I live the best of both worlds. I continue to work and then I come home and tend to a bunch of useless animals.
Delivery is more discrete than pickup. Perhaps pickup is safer though.
Quoting Bitter Crank
This seems the most realistic explanation.
Quoting Hanover
What's your addy? I'm on my way. Useless animal hearder intern has always been on the backburner.
I did have a nice three mile walk to Chinatown. I got some cheap barbecued meats over rice and cabbage. I felt like a pro, asking for the secret green sauce. I then took the train to my favorite bookstore and found a copy of We by Yevgeny Zamyatin. Apparently Orwell's inspiration for 1984. I am now back in my sardine can watching the world go by out my bedroom window. It's a rather small window, only a few millimeters square, so more like 2 feet by 4 feet.
It's what's for dinner.
What does it taste like? I haven't had it. I see them in jars -- they look like science experiment.
It tastes like 1000s of years of oppression in a compact fish ball.
Don't you want to have some crusty bread with that egg salad and soup?
I didn't think bread would complete that meal. I was thinking more like capers or maybe cheese-its.
*Sighhhh*
These 'Sovereign Citizens' Don't Believe They're Part of the US (Mar 3, 2021; 5m:22s)
:D Do we have any of them on the forums?
[quote=Hau Tak Leighton Tam]Essentially, a Sovereign Citizen is someone who wants all the benefits and none of the responsibilities of being a citizen.[/quote]
They advertise their "sovereignty" on their (unlicensed) license plates as well:
how long does it usually take to approve a post? I posted yesterday on the brain upload thread but that post seems to be stuck in limbo.
Wait - does that mean I just have to spam the forum with five messages and my sixth will come through without going to pre-moderation?
Book title!
I'm actually now writing a tome on animals and their relationship with cheese. I've chosen to write it in French because that will give it a more scholarly continental feel. I currently know that "fromage" means cheese and dog is "chien," but I'll need to look up some other words in order to complete the work.
I'll send it to you on a floppy disk when I'm finished so you can review it.
My favorite French word is champignon, mushroom.
Quoting Hanover
Ok. I'll write some prophecies about the end of the world in red ink on it and send it to the Smithsonian.
My favorite French words are fiancé versus fiancée because I use them to make a final clarification regarding pronoun selection. For example, let's say you ask someone which pronouns they use, they might say he, she, they or whatever, but, to be complete, you need to ask if they would be a fiancé or a fiancée if they were engaged to be married. That way you can know that.
each member can vote up or vote down other member posts.
What do you think, is this possible?
A voting system would be unfair... "vote down" other's posts is just a subjective criteria. If you do not like a specific thread do not take part in it. Simple.
For example, there are some risky threads where the members debate about wars and politics. These thread would full of down votes just for personal beliefs
right, what about being able to upvote only (no downvote?)
We had a voting system, but I campaigned really hard and kept getting so many votes that @Badenand@jamalrobgot jelly and shut it down.
understood, I suppose it was abused.
Youtube had it's voting system abused as well, but fixed the problem by limiting votes to upvotes only.
I just ask them, "If you were the Blob and you had a sex change, what pronoun?"
It’s built in to the software but optional. We’ve tried it twice and on both occasions the whining, kvetching bellyachers among the membership dominated the debate, so we turned it off.
(+ Hanover was becoming too popular and we feared a putsch. )
You spelled "putz" wrong.
We don't need it. We know when we make good post and when they are bad.
Make a bad post and everyone will jump all over you calling BS. Make a good post and someone will respond with intelligent interaction. Anything in between will be met with various degrees of corrective measures or advise.
Putsch - A sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force
Putz - (Yiddish) a fool; an idiot, [vulgar] Obscene term for penis
I think both definitions work well, but there is a definite lean towards one of then. :rofl:
What a utopia we live in. All hail TPF.
Hey, he just got here. He will find out the truth for himself soon enough. Let's not try to scare him away.
Eh, just feeling moody, pay me no mind. Let the young have their fun.
ehm, Have also been reading Yevgeny Zamyatin's We. :yikes: been feeling a bit anti-utopia lately.
I looked it up. Sounds like happy, happy, joy, joy.
That's the given utopia, yes. Given some quite arresting scenes so far, I'm assuming the happy and the joy might take a dip. We'll see.
Holy shit. I know that this is going to sound sort of weird, but I found the audio version of We a few weeks ago and it is on the "listen to" list for May.
I am on a post-apocalyptic / dystopian book run right night. Ghost in the Machine by Barbara J. Hancock is the next on my list and then I was going to start We. Don't post anything else about it please I hate knowing what books are about before I start them.
Ahh my bad! The only other thing I’ll say is that I don’t really know what to make of it, but I’m addicted. Impossible to put down.
Very down! Wonder if anyone else has read it? @jamalrob or @praxis?
Make sure you open a thread in Metaphysics to discuss this important book.
Oh please, nooooo. Stop motivating him to do that, he will eventual try to take over the world. :cool: :rofl:
Yep, I like it.
Ok then.
Well, he's getting there.
I've spent the better part of the last two days on my opening line of my book with the help of Google Translate.
Here it is:
"Les animaux adorent le fromage et le mangent avec leur bouche. Je le sais parce que je l'ai vu de mes yeux."
I can take criticism. What do you think so far? Be honest.
There's not much about dogs, specifically. I feel cheated.
mures comedunt caseum cum ore suo et futuis cum effodere quia vidi meum
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read this first so that you know how to do it, or how not to do it.
Nope, but I did read a Russian sci-fi last year called Roadside Picnic. Baden mentioned reading it somewhere and I thought that if he were reading it that it must be good. It’s kinda gritty and dark with a intriguing unexpected twist.
If this is the opening, do not use les animaux. Keep the readers guessing who you're talking about. Use "ils" instead. Say, ils aiment le fromage. Then, "parce que je l'ai vu de mes propres yeux".
Aussi, what is this for "le mangent avec leur bouche"?. Use a metaphor for this, not straight out telling the obvious.
It's a serious humorous mystery.
Unlike most Russian novels.
Yes, one of those rare instances where I found the film better.
Just don't have the Animals die in the end. I can't handle that shit.
I think I preferred the book for 'The Shining'. I did like the movie too, although Stephen King didn't, partly because Jack Nicholson going nuts wasn't much of a transition. :lol:
It's funny. I was thinking about this and all I can think of is movies that I love just as much as the books.
There are others I wouldn't watch because I didn't want to ruin my memories of the books.
Love "Heart of Darkness." Not "Apocalypse Now."
I didn't like either, but I disliked the book more.
This movie rips. Highly highly recommended.
I’ve read Roadside Picnic and agree with @jamalrob and @Baden about the film "Stalker" being better, but I seem to have enjoyed the book more than some overall. It's very different and has a totally different atmosphere.
I asked my son why all of Tik Tok consisted of rednecks screaming at each other, and he explained that my content was modified by my interests. I'd have thought I would have been assessed a little more sophisticated, but they weren't exactly wrong.
The TV version, with Alec Guinness, is the best filmed/video work I have ever seen. I've watched it 5 times and each time I do, I can't believe how good it is. I can't read any of Le Carre's books about George Smiley, and I've read them all at least twice, without picturing Guinness in the role.
Fair enough. The acting and pacing in the Gary Oldman version are incredible, and I'm a big Oldman fan.
My decision is not intended as a reflection on his acting ability.
I think Tarkovsky's Solaris is fantastic and unique, but I get why Lem did not like it.
I should have time to watch it this weekend so I’ll be the judge. :chin:
I thought the film was great, but actually prefer the book. To me the book almost has a horror atmosphere.
Stalker is in my top 3 films. I'm less of a film nerd than book nerd though.
The role of an alien entity being able to produce "what you want" as an experiment to learn more about your species is scary as heck.
Watching gay porn means you're gay. Watching slasher movies does not mean you're psychotic.
That's how it works. I don't make the rules. I just report on them.
Have you noticed; actually, I'm sure you haven't; that gay male porn is better - more convincing - than straight. It's probably because men don't have to pretend they're enjoying themselves. My (limited number of) sexual partners have all been women, but I've been known to watch gay porn.
It might be, and I'm no sexologusr to be sure, that the convincing nature of male porn you've noticed is that men are required to have actual, and not simulated, orgasms. Unlike a woman who simply needs to pant "YES," a man has to ejaculate,, an exceedingly difficult maneuver to fake.
I, on the other hand, am a sexologist, in the same sense that I am a philosopher.
"Here" here could refer to the Shoutbox, TPF, your own head, your sardine can, New York City, or the meaningless and indifferent cosmos.
All of the above, Robbie.
Finally I have a new nickname. I think I prefer Jamal.
I never could quite work out how to pronounce your name, or what it was meant to be.
Woah. My world has been turned upside down. Seriously though, I pronounce your (old?) name "jaMAL rob". Correct? Or, alternatively, "JAMal rob?" Also, in case you were wondering, my name is pronounced noBEEL doost.
Edit: I don't know my watcha-ma-call-it, but it's a long "a" in jaMAL, vs. a short, American "a" in JAMal.
Ok then, remain mysterious. "Noblay" is the French for Noble Dust, correct.
You want my real name? It's Jambolus Allegra Robrub.
On the vodka again, I see. I don't need your real name by the way, I already know it: Jimmy Meat Rubs.
No no, never again.
These things do happen.
So, assuming a British accent, it's "JAAMal ROB"?
Poussière Noble, apparently. This leads inevitably to another nickname: pussy.
Kind of, but although the first syllable is stressed, it's not as long as you're indicating there.
But it's past history now. I've moved on.
I do love cats, as well as the female anatomy, so I think we're in the clear.
No no, I need this. So a quick, British "JAMalROB" then?
My life is now complete. An era has ended. The "l" at the end of your name looks so awkward.
Unless you have an alternative terminal letter to suggest?
I live for sans-serif. The bleakness draws ones attention to the words themselves. No ornament or distraction. The awkwardness of your "l" is simply a feature of your new name. Live with the consequences of your decision.
That said, I like "Jamae". It's out of left field.
I was thinking of the palindromic Jamaj.
I think of you as a Debussy type, and I'm a Ravel type, so there's no surprises here.
Quoting Jamal
I actually like that. Although I still prefer the unusal nature of "Jamae".
"Many towns and provinces across the British Empire were named after the ruling House of Hanover and its members, among them the U.S. state of Georgia."
Live simply. Use Helvetica.
Live mas. Yo quiero Taco Bell.
Talking to oneself again, I see.
Sans-serif is the typface style of the internet. Boom.
Here's me as Ravel slaying you
Edit: wow, sorry wrong version, what a rookie mistake. Corrected.
Exactly.
Time spent Googling my name is time well spent.
From Wiki: "The Jamal Clan of the Western Lowlands became so synonymous with petty theft and larceny that finally it was decreed by Sir Lord Duke Ellington of Schropshirestone that they 'shall be banished forthwith and scattered throughout the globe,' with some landing as far as the Russian Empire, with most being relegated to eking out meager existences as vodka infused nternet clerks."
Wiki pulls no punches.
I do know that Georgia was named after that fucker King George II, but know little about him because I never fucking cared much. My assumption is he happened to be king when Georgia was colonized and in need of a name, so they gave it to that fucker. I saw a deed hanging on a fucker's wall once that showed he had received his land as an original conveyance from George II and I immediately bowed and kissed that fucker's ring. I go apeshit around royalty.
The George I do know about was III because he was king at the time of the Revolution and I also understand he was fuckshit crazy.. The kings and their numbers makes it quite confusing, which us why in the US, we've only had one set of kings, George I and George II, both from the House of Bush, for confusifucking sake.
I'm trying out a new speech pattern, seeing if it fucking catches on.
Where I’m from, this speech pattern is par for the fucking course and de ri-fucking-gueur. :up:
I don't usually get all the excitement about type faces. As long as it's simple and easy to read. Nothing Gothic, script, or showy. I guess serif feels a little more formal. What does it take to make a typeface disappear into the words? Not draw attention to itself? Wouldn't that be ideal?
I'm not sure exactly what it takes, but it doesn't take much these days, because humans have a few hundred years of experience with printing, a great variety of typefaces to choose from, and a hundred years of dedicated typeface design and refinement. It's not often that I'm distracted by the typeface when I'm reading a book.
What we do know is that serif typefaces are easier to read for blocks of text, as in books and newspapers and online articles, and philosophy forums--which is why I'd prefer this forum to use a serif font. But when asked which they prefer, people will judge according to their subjective aesthetic tastes, not according to readability or legibility, i.e., precisely when they're looking at the typeface instead of using it, so to speak--which is why people with no experience of design should not be consulted on these matters. I sound quite elitist don't I?
Sans-serif is great though, in the right places.
I think what intrigues me is that people put so much thought and effort into something that seems so small. But I guess that's how the world works - things look small until they don't work.
I think I’m scarred for life either way.
:party:
Wasn't that Superman's second cousin back on Krypton?
I find the sincere interest in font styles more disturbing than Clark's interest in man on man action.
Although it's an admittedly a close call.
No, I believe his name was 'Love Candy', which coincidentally is the name of Hanover's favourite font.
I’m pretty sure it’s actually Massive Manhood.
Face facts. You, like everyone else here on the forum, were scarred for life long before we all met.
Careful. You two are creating a hostile philosophical workplace. Who is the forum's anti-discrimination officer?
Described as:
"A modern & minimalist typeface specifically made for luxury, fashion and stylish statement with it’s unique flare that makes it perfect for beautiful headlines, branding, logotypes & display usage. This all-caps typeface is also perfect for creating outstanding logos, promotional content and marketing graphics that can really grab attention from your visitors."
Not to worry, there's a Clark font as well: https://www.dafont.com/clark.font#:~:text=Clark%20is%20a%20smooth%2C%20bold,in%20all%20of%20the%20above.
Described as:
"Clark is a smooth, bold, non-angular, largely uniform art-deco typeface designed to invoke a bit of a science-fiction feel. Includes full alphabet, extended character set, euro. Includes bold, italic, bold-italic, and hollow weights in all of the above."
"A child-like scribble used to express feelings of a failed adulthood. Most often seen in psychiatric asylum records created by the most disturbed patients/inmates. The inconsistent use of the serif and the speckled vomit like punctuation marks are its most recognizable features."
Wow, that's a fucked up font, but I guess it would come in handy for that niche market.
Looks ok, but what's with that little droop in the A crossbar? Maybe trying just a little too hard to be stylish, get people's attention. Does that remind us of anyone?
I love Helvetica. We've talked about that before. It's what I always use to make macaroni and cheese.
I'm gonna answer this literally. I don't know if this has something to do with the ongoing topic of font.
I don't store foods for emergency. I figured, if it came down to having to scour for food when apocalypse came, I'd go to the supermarket (which would be full of people I'm sure) or other people's homes (no breaking and entering laws anymore). I'm sure that there'd be much more serious concerns.
I'd agree that a can of dehydrated chicken would offer limited comfort following, say, a nuclear holocaust, but imagining a lesser catastrophe, like a fuel distribution problem or a temporary weather event, wouldn't some stored food be helpful?
Or maybe go in another direction here and use it as a
great time to lose a few pounds, and come out on the other end looking smoking hot.
Maybe what our nation needs is an armageddon to make us prettier people.
Here's a video that explains some of it:
I think she was about average through the whole thing.
And we will all roast together when we roast
No one will still be serving at their post
When we all come from the broiler, aristocrat and toiler,
We will all be quite brightly glowing ghosts.
Little known fact: The elevated train network in Chicago was built in expectation of the zombie apocalypse. The trains are accessible only by stairs and, you know, zombies can't limb stairs. If there were too many Zombies in Oak Park, one could take the train to the loop for a while.
That seems not to have worked in any of the famous food famines. But giving credit to you, it's one of the reasons diets don't work as well as they should. My preferred (and proven) method of weight loss is to get cancer or a severe infection. A few weeks of sickness or recovery from surgery (especially if they put you on a liquid diet) will trim pounds off like magic.
Hint: best practice is to have a cancer or infection that won't kill you too quickly.
I'll keep that in mind. I used to go on the gastritis diet a few times a year. Every time you eat, it hurts, so you get food-averse.
Hmm. Walking can be performed in such situations. Weather events -- most places would not have to suffer with food due to weather events. But yes, I get your point.
Quoting Bitter Crank
No, not a good way to lose weight. You'd lose muscles, too, which are the ones that hold your appearance together. I used to run, and do workout in the yard -- like putting up bricks (whatever the hell people do with bricks in the yard). I did these on purpose as a workout. Would walk 5 miles a day, too. (now I got busy with work, I cut down on exercise, but I still do it every day).
I can't store food I like, because then I'll just eat it, and have to get more. Then I'll eat that too, and I'll get fat.
I collect rice. Once the rice bag gets bellow the 1 cup mark, I buy a new one. In this way, I always have rice on hand, just in case, but I always buy a new bag rather than use up the 3/5ths cup that's left in the old bag. I now have countless bags of almost empty, almost expired rice on hand.
Of course getting sick is a bad way to lose weight -- I didn't plan on getting sick. It is just that it worked so well. Depression can result in one becoming gaunt or fat.
Once upon a time I biked, ran, walked, swam, and did calisthenics, sometimes a rowing machine or stair climber. As an arthritic 75 year old, not so much. I'm pretty sure exercising was the cause of my painful joints. Not too much time left, then... pffft.
Like rice. That's the problem.
Canned foods I trust, though. The canning process must be so high-tech that it would take a miracle of science for some sort of bacteria or disease to weasel it's way into that sterling enclosure.
You are inviting a meal moth infestation.
About 3/3 of the rice I gifted Hanover has significantly more than the recommended arsenic intake. Hope it made it to the right address. :chin:
1 Dirty Mud Cabin
Shit Creek
Backwoods Mountain
Georgia
'Murica
@Hanover That right?
Even though I am now to learn that you sent the rice to me to slowly raise my blood arsenic levels, poisoning me and all close to me in the slowest way possible, the joy you have brought to the Hanover family and all those in my village with your grain drop offs cannot not be adequately conveyed. It was like manna from heaven as those bags marked "Baden Disaster Relief" fell to the earth. We would bat the flies from our eyes, run desperately to the broken sacks, and force handfuls of that crunchy rice goodness down our throats.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
It's Jedidiah. Named after my grandmother.
I just guessed everyone called him Dick. :snicker:
Hm, I may have forgotten to think about the children.
In line with a recent thread, if knowledge is justified true belief; which requires that knowledge be true, that you believe it is true, and that it be justified; what is it called when you don't believe it, it isn't true, and there is no justification?
I remember reading that they found wheat in one of the Egyptian pyramids that was several thousand years old. When they planted it, it sprouted.
Any post by T Clark.
Hey!! I believe everything I write. That's the NJNTB theory of knowledge.
I read that they found a chicken in one of the pyramids that was still laying eggs.
At some point you removed the Rob from your name, where you used to be Jamalrob, right?
Do you think it'd be possible for me to have it now that you're not using it and I could be Hanoverrob, or would that be weird?
Ahh... NJNTNB knowledge. My favorite kind.
You know what they call a British woman who uses an ancient Egyptian condom? Mum’y.
Goya painted one of the most historical paintings of this revolutionary event.
:lol:
Too weird. What about Jamalover?
Ramses? I wouldn't trust them, I think they're made from some animal intestine.
Let me think on it.
What's not to be believed? They had a map and everything. It's a well known fact that zombies can not climb stairs. It all fits together so it must be true.
No, you're thinking of Trojan Horse™ condoms. Ramses™ are made out of the finest alabaster. They have been known to shatter.
My mom always had copies of the Reader’s Digest in the downstairs bathroom when I was growing up. Probably read it there while doing my business and it’s been floating around in my subconscious all this time waiting for an opportunity.
What did the vampire use the tampon for?
To make tea.
Was that in "Life in these United States" or "Laughter, the Best Medicine?"
Did someone hack your account?
More would be better, but I'll give it a week.
I am admittedly surprised by the lack of political or even business leader assassinations in the West right now. Perhaps that particular pot is ready or getting there.
I am also ready to be disappointed by liberals who care more for instituional rule than anything principled (re: the US burning, not assasination).
And so full of humour!
The sheer amount of moral courage required to stand up to evil with self-righteous hatred on an internet forum is staggering. I can't imagine the stress and mental anguish experienced just for the sake of standing up for what's right.
But then I can also see how a random internet poster is really the real issue to be discussed among the re-submission of women to social bondage.
Where is the dead one located? I'm not sure why this seems so important.
Why do firemen wear red suspenders to hold their pants up?
I'd like to think heaven, but she was a dick, so things might not be going well for her.
Thought it was another predictable tampon joke, but then you twisted it at the last minute and got me.
Good show!
Chicken purgatory sounds pretty grisly. However, I meant the physical remains. I think because you included the dead one in the total number I imagined the carcass laying about somewhere, maybe even being paraded around Weekend At Bernie's-style.
What's that from, eh?
Ah yes, it was Jackass Number Two.
I actually didn't ask my wife what she did with it. We have a big flat shovel for the barn, and I imagine that was the transportation method. Maybe it was put in a bag and put with the garbage.
Had I been in charge, I'd have tried to return it to the grocery store, insisting they sold me a fucked up animal attacked chicken. I would then have taken the proceeds and bought a pint of gin, gotten good and drunk, and yelled obscenities at children until my arrest.
But no. My wife just throws the thing away
You're weird. We don't count the dead ones. So you have 8, not 9. Same with asking "how many people are in the room?". The "live people" is implied -- ALWAYS -- in sentences like that.
Except I only have four live ones and I'm going to get four more live ones and I have a dead one. So, I have 4 alive ones, 4 hypothetical ones, and 1 dead one. Why do hypothetical chickens get numbered but actual but dead ones don't?
This custom of blotting out the existence of post live chickens really needs to be reconsidered.
Who is "we"? In my culture we always count the dead ones, no matter whether it's chickens or people.
Are you referring to my and @Streetlight's comments?
What does the barn do with the shovel?
As far as returning faulty chickens to the grocery store, I assume if there's no posted return policy then you're well within your rights.
I see you shortened your name. Congrats!!
And how long does the dead ones count as people or animals? Until you bury them? If I immediately bury a dead chicken, then immediately I'm counting 4, not 5, chickens. But say, I waited all day to bury the dead chicken, then all day, I can count 5 chickens?
Quoting Hanover
Same comment as my comment to Jamal.
Thanks. I hope it will be a major turning point in my life.
Quoting L'éléphant
Good point. To get around this difficulty, we count the dead individual for as long as it lived.
Do you stop counting your apples just because they fell off the tree?
The doctors were baffled at her unexplained deterioration, running countless tests, her deeply troubled parents by her side, with hospital stays going from days and then to weeks, until finally the last rites were read.
Not until later when the autopsy was performed did they discover increased levels of arsenic traceable to emergency aid rice deliveries.
Emily's dissected body was then ushered out in a flat barn shovel, bagged, and returned to the grocery store under the guise of it being spoiled chicken. And now here I sit in my cell, stinking of gin, my voice still hoarse from shouting obscenities at kids.
Damn you @Baden! Damn you!
:mask: :zip:
The heavy-duty fire resistant pants are made to fit over regular clothing, and therefore tend to be loose at the waist to allow them to slip into them easily. :rofl:
This whole question of how many chickens you have must be one of those modal logic/possible worlds things?
Quoting Hanover
Quoting Noble Dust
New names I am considering for myself:
:sad:
Ehh... Maybe, but I'm leaning towards Hugh G. Rection right now. It's more formal, dignified. Including an initial always adds a little class. T. Texas Tyler. George H.W. Bush. Jesus H. Christ. I.M. Pei. John Q. Public. Abercrombie N. Fitch. E.I. Dupont de Nemours. J. Paul Getty. Polly W. Ollydoodle. Al D. Day.
[Edit] Forgot one possible name - T.V.'s T Clark
Why not just solidify it in writing and switch to Clarky?
No, no. That's just a name you and @Baden use because you think it bothers me. I was being called "Clarky" long before you were born. I'm just looking for something more dignified. As I noted, Hugh G. Rection is currently leading the pack.
Question: if the Supreme Court of the USA really does overturn Roe v Wade, as seems highly likely, won't this undermine the Republican vote in the mid-term elections? I'm guessing that it will be an extremely unpopular decision with female voters in particular, who could quite feasibly express their ire by not voting Republican. I don't know, but I haven't read any commentary to that effect, and it would seem likely to me.
other than
Funny you say that. Fruits don't die when they fall off the tree. In fact, they're packed with life bearing flesh for the seeds to grow.
Quoting Wayfarer
I don't get it. I can see why people outside the US care about our foreign policy. We are like a rhinoceros trying to tap dance in an egg warehouse. But why does anyone care about our domestic issues?
Oh, only because the Republican Party is arguably as big a threat to world peace and the continuation of democracy as Putin's Russia. So whatever benefits the Republican Party is bad for the rest of the world. Nothing much apart from that, really. Anyway there's a thread on Roe v Wade now, I reposted there.
//ps// oh, and my two grandchildren are dual US- Aus citizens and live permanently there, so I'm no longer a totally disinterested party. //
Everyone is mesmerized by road accidents, especially when they involve the rich....
I have avoided reading the daily news and watching the news on tv for a long time now because of depressing events. Like, who needs to make multi-million dollar horror movies when daily, you read about grandma in the freezer, daughter plastered on the sofa, pets in plastic bag discarded in dumpster.
What ever happened to wholesome hobbies like creating music, making pottery, indoor gardening, or painting?
Because American domestic issues are exported to the rest of the world like the fucking cancer they are.
Because it isn't just a domestic issue, it's a human rights issue. We are rightly concerned when other countries oppress their citizens.
I asked fdrake this question. He said it's because international news is usually dominated by whatever the US is doing.
It's not like they go out seeking to know. It's pushed in their faces, sort of.
It’s like when a beautiful person enters a room, people can’t help but look. We are, to phrase it in the refined speech of an American, the shit.
I didn't mean my comment as a complaint. It just always perplexes me.
An anecdote: a couple of years back, I watched the excellent series World War II in Color, which colorised a lot of previously black-and-white footage of WWII and wove it into a documentary series. During the episode on the development of the atomic bomb, there was a bit of footage that was shot of commuters coming out of a station in California to go to work. This would have been 1945, but they looked instantly familiar to me - the way they dressed and walked, the urban environment they were in - hey, that was me! That is 'my generation' (I'm a boomer). I remember age about ten getting my first ever pair of blue jeans and basketball shoes - suddenly I had a sense of identity for the first time in my life. And I've sometimes felt like a 'displaced Californian'. Of course I've been there a few times in my later years, and the reality is different to the image. But not that different! :wink:
Nice! I want one. Thinking about it.
Buenos días!. :flower: I love to see the sun rising in the morning. It is pretty poetic
Bore da. I love to watch the dark turn to grey in the morning. A sure sign I am not yet dead.
Quoting T Clark
It's a relic of our Christian heritage to care about strangers. And as long as they remain strangers and don't try and come here, our concern for their well-being continues. We call it "the white man's burden".
Buenos dias! I have awoken this morning in Spain after a long and peaceful sleep. The sun, however, has not revealed itself. In fact it was raining as I stepped off the plane last night. DisaPPOINTED!
:sweat: ! I am guessing you are in the north of the country (Asturias, Galicia, Basque Country?) or the East (Valencia?). Because here in Madrid we have briefly rainfalls, you know Castilla is drought as hell as always :rofl:
:up:
(Or wingdings maybe.)
I heard the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.
I believe it rains more over mountains than plains, and Spain is the second most mountainous country in Europe, so I question this anecdote.
We are a simply desert, with the exception of Galicia (Northwest). It is scary seeing Murcia and Almería (south-east) they look like a drought land
Maybe it was "plane." Like if you fly to Spain, it will rain on your plane.
By George I think you’ve got it!
They used to film the spaghetti westerns down there, I believe, so I think it's been dry in that region for a while.
Yes, exactly! It is the only desert zone declared by the European Union. Apart from Western movies it is full of vegetables and farming down there :yum:
Local Elections here today. I voted for "Get sexy buns", unless i misheard.
Spain comes in at 11. https://naijaxtreme.com/most-mountainous-countries-in-europe/
15 Most Mountainous Countries in Europe
S/N Country Medium altitude
1. Andorra 1996 meters
2. Armenia 1792 meters
3. Georgia 1432 meters
4. Switzerland 1350 meters
5. Turkey 1141 meters
6. Montenegro 1086 meters
7. Austria 910 meters
8. Kosovo 800 meters
9. North Macedonia 741 meters
10. Albanian 708 meters
11. Spain 660 meters
12. Russia 600 meters
13. Iceland 557 meters
14. Italy 538 meters
15. Bosnia and Herzegovina 500 meters
As I've noted before, I fact check every statement in the Shoutbox so that it can remain the single most trusted source of information.
https://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/sources/docgener/studies/pdf/montagne/mount4.pdf
Yeah, I drove along that coastline a few years ago and there were plastic-covered crops for about 20 kilometres. A very strange place.
On mine, on the other hand, they measured average altitude above sea level, which does not require a subjective evaluation of what is a mountain, a mole hill, a singular rock formation, or an ancient Indian burial mound.
Your list shows how many European mountain people there are, which is something I never really thought about. Are European mountain people like American mountain people?
Get the very best:
How about “Book(s) I am Currently Reading Simultaneously That I Will Not Finish”?
viro, vi estas unu profunda ulo!)
The slur, "Man, you are one deep dud!" comes out:
"Homo, vi estas unu profunda misfunkciado" in Esperanto.
Misfunkciado -- great term, that.
How does Esperanto distinguish between "viro" and "homo"?
I would have no objection to you listing those in the new thread.
Like this?
It is my understanding that Mister Mxyzptlk, Cthulhu, and Donald Trump Jr. all speak Esperanto fluently.
Try this one out:
It's a mandolin. Bill Monroe, known as the father of bluegrass music, was a mandolin player. Mandolin, bass, banjo, guitar, fiddle. Those are the instruments of bluegrass.
Here's another discussion idea we could have more of:
"I have a fatuous question to ask you all, one for which there is no discernable answer and for which the question itself is barely intelligible, but I think it's really important to involve as many as possible in a near pointless discussion, even though I already have the answer in my head with something approaching maniacal certainty, so fuck you if you don't agree with me, you cunts."
Perfect pitch: throwing a banjo into the garbage can without hitting the rim.
Tried this joke on banjo players; they didn't find it even slightly amusing. Humorless hicks.
Love this. This was back when everything was shut down because of covid. That's why everyone is playing alone.
But mine are funnier.
Yeah, but it won't fit in the title space.
A flower scapes
Of a kid's hand
Along the way...
[i][original]
A un niño se
Le escapa una flor
Por el camino.[/i]
I will criticize your haiku because a "flower scapes" isn't a meaningful phrase. Although probably a coincidence in that you did not know this, but a "scape" is the stalk of the flower, but it isn't short for "escape" as you likely intended it, which leaves us with a confusing error.
The preposition "of" is also confusing, making me wonder whether you're a native English speaker. If you are, sorry for the insult. "A flower scapes of the kid's hand" suggests the hand is composed of flower scapes and I don't know what that means. The word "from" might have been what you're looking for.
Had you used the term "flowerscapes," that would have at least been poetic in that you'd have coined a new term describing a flower filled landscape and then I'd have thought you did a better job, but whether you could have turned that into a haiku, I doubt it
So I give you an C -. Sorry, work harder. No one is helped by grade inflation.
Three old landscapers,
Disagreed over placements,
Of two garden nymphs.
I am not an English native speaker. I gave my best trying to translate in English to post here because I always write the poems in Spanish (my native language).
I appreciate your criticism but I think you have to keep in mind that is very difficult to express something so much abstract as haiku in a foreign language...
Quoting Hanover
No, I am the one who is sorry for publishing the poem.
Is that right? I didn't know it was the Bronx. But yes, I like that picture.
Of course, Jung is here demonstrating the very problem we face - delusions are so ubiquitous that we routinely mistake an unhelpful falsity for a priceless truth.
Keep in mind that @Hanover is a dick. You should know that by now.
For what it's worth, I don't see anything wrong with using "scape" as a poetic word for "escape." I think it's really hard to gracefully translate a haiku to a second language.
I was just playing. Nothing to apologize for. As far as Haikus go, it was a haiku. Keep them coming. I always wish to encourage the arts
Tnx!
I actually heard that one from a banjo player. But he said it slightly different, something like without bending the rim. I always figured it was implied that the banjo was still salvageable.
I was certain you would be appeciative.
It was meant as a joke. I always imagine the Bronx as being a trash strewn under the bridge town.
I thought that Jung was presenting the pattern of instinct, that seems necessary for other creatures is something humans can fool with.
The idea that we could participate in our outcome.
I like the Bronx, which doesn't mean your description is wrong.
Everyone hates the tough grader.
haha! My thoughts exactly. But I didn't want to spoil your fantasy. Plus I was tired, drifted off, and now awake again. :joke:
No idea what that means. I was just following through the thinking about delusion.
In Jung's On The Psyche, he presents the idea that humans have a dynamic relation with their instincts that other species do not.
Maybe so. I am not trying to prove Jung meant a certain thing. But his observation of how we talk about instinct is interesting. There is a variance in how species reproduce. One is not committed to a particular thesis to make the difference something that requires explanation.
Can’t Help Myself (2016) by Sun Yuan and Peng Yu
Sun Yuan and Peng Yu: Can’t Help Myself (3m:16s)
I agree, unsettling. It's art because they say it's intended as art, but it seems cheap to me. Like soft-core pornography. A trick. A joke. A clever idea with no heart. No skill. I especially hate the fact that the liquid is so obviously supposed to be blood.
Settle it down with a new soundtrack. Turns out Blue men can sing the whites after all.
The artwork signifies the relationship between the mechanistic state and the living human beings who have created the machine. The state is a machine which moves around under certain stipulated algorithms, trying to control the free running human beings. There is the inevitable splattering of blood from time to time.
What they haven't properly captured is the reciprocating action between the state and the human beings, by which the human beings are capable of tweaking, or totally changing the algorithms of the machine. Too much splattering, and the blood gets into the machine, causing changes to it.
The intent of AI is to make the machine self-tweaking. If we apply AI to the state, there would be no more need for human minds to be involved in the law-making process. The laws would automatically change themselves to match what is required by the society, to minimize the splattering of blood, or perhaps another goal.
, one art enthusiast wrote:
Another wrote:
I guess, if art is supposed to awaken or stir emotional responses, then it did the job.
Your, or anyone's, interpretation doesn't change anything. It's what it is, not what you, or anyone, say it is. If it needs redemption, it can't be done with words. It stands on it's own.
"Liberalism can provide a common ground, a least common denominator, for many states in one international organization in a way that nationalism, by its nature, cannot.“
——James Kurth
But I disagree. Tracht gut vet zein gut.
I don't know what that means. Neither does Google Translate.
https://hashimashi.com/tracht-gut-vet-zein-gut/
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2492/jewish/Good-Thinking.htm
That explains it - Google Translate doesn't have Yiddish.
Several supercomputers have been spinning their disk drives trying to find a truth in the phrase and have not so far succeeded.
I think the problem may be that Yiddish is written with Hebrew letters and the program is transliterating the word "vet" into Hebrew letters to make it sound like fett, which is Yiddish for fat.
From a tree
Happiness
We still doin' Haikus, right?
Someone please explain
To this ignorant person
What a haiku is
To better understand the format, I've created this exemplar. You can ignore the substance, but just focus on the format to get a better idea how to structure it:
Baden fucks a goat
Cleans himself with an oak leaf
Feeds it to the goat
My failure is bad
So bad, I feel that I must
Say sorry to my goat
Fuck it. I give up.
According to Peter Pan, you can fly if you think happy thoughts. Personally, I prefer to grow up, and keep my lamps trimmed and burning, for this old world is almost done.
But that life is a losing game does not make it bad game. Why pity the robot, or the dying swan except for the sake of the beauty of pity? A mechanical tragedy is a cartoon tragedy - just for practice.
I have no idea what this means, but it sure does sound philosophical.
Oak is poisonous to goats in such large quantities.
:lol: ... :chin:
His name to Poison Goat Boy
Why? No one is sure.
Dusty Dusty Dus
Ty Dusty Dusty Dusty
Dusty Dusty Dus
The Haiku, stolen
from the Japanese culture
is an unrhymed poem
in 17 syllables, with 5, 7, and 5 syllables in the three lines, per above.
it (might, probably, almost certainly, definitely, has to) make more sense in Japanese than in English.
The western tradition is the four line quatrain. It's more conducive to rhyming.
:cry:
Do not weep Dusty
Just a verse to celebrate
Your happy new name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VRbaVNvSA
Something's better than nothing!
What's the opposite saying?
Do things well or not at all?
Are these also called blank verse?
Fun fact: In ancient times it was customary to write on topics such as logic & math in poem form.
Whose heads were all shaped like toasters
And it's not a sin
To stick some bread in
And wait while you're sipping your roasters
Many posters do take raw ideas and burn them to a crisp.
"A Japanese poem consisting of five lines, the first and third of which have five syllables and the other seven, making 31 syllables in all and giving a complete picture of an event or mood."
Ideally for me, it will be written in Occitan (the tongue of the dirty French peasantry) preferably in a san serif font so as to not be ostentatious and to stay true to the dirty language it is written in.
Allow me to offer my finest piece to you, written while I was in seminary in a dirty monosatry dressed in a burlap robe (totally free balling commando), now translated to the modern tongue of the Anglo ruling class in whatever limited font this forum has made available:
"Fuckety fuck fuck
I saw @Baden again goat fuck
In out and about
How he loved that goat's fine snout
He ate oatmeal for breakfast."
Something might have been lost in translation, but I do think this work has adequately left one with "a complete picture of an event or mood" as the ancient Japanese preferred.
The movie's pretty good. I liked the book too. And I love the title.
So @Hanover was right and I suck doing haiku poems.
But who cares, Yukio Mishima didn't care about haiku neither.
I guess writing essays and novels is what I should try to.
Your resignation strikes a devastating blow to the haiku community.
@T Clark may be right about the dick comment after all.
I've read only a few Haikus in my life I thought were really good. One of them is:
Even in Kyoto
Hearing the cuckoo's cry
I long for Kyoto
Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1512951-basho-matsuo-even-in-kyotohearing-the-cuckoos-cryi-long-for/
Absolutely love that.
Six, Six, Six.
Orderly for sure.
I like the 5-7-5 but recognize it is arbitrary compared to a standard developed in another language.
Maybe all future posts at TPF should be made in couplets combined with haikus.
Nice haiku.
I wrote this one in the car in my 20s, 20 years ago, and it still comes back to me.
come on across the
road little sparrow, I'll al-
ways slow down for you
Both my parents want to die at home and we have brought on Hospice at home. Family is coming out to say goodbye over the next three weeks, while my divorce goes to it's FIRST time before anyone, which will be a mediator while Cosmic Wanker is fully aware that everyday we have not sold the ranch is costing us. He is hoping it tanks so he can buy me out.
I'm so done. Cosmic Wanker is the victim in all this you know... :vomit:
Got it :up:
I like to complain. People on the forum think it's charming.
I must not be a person, then.
Just playing. :smile:
[joke] Perhaps I'll just include you in my PM to Baden.[/joke]
Well if you insist.
"Wahh, I got a 60 on my chemistry after studying for 3 day's straight."
Looks outside.
"Oh, What a nice day to go biking!"
A complete game changer if I'm being honest.
I think Blake may have got that wrong. Always be ready to speak your mind, and a base man will vote you President.
1. Rhyme & Reason (The Ancient Ones).
2. Then the split: Rhyme and Reason part ways (intellectual laziness).
3. No Rhyme or Reason (the present state of affairs).
Probably depends on which mind is being spoken.
The Master said, "At fifteen I set my purpose on learning.
At thirty, I was established. At forty, I had no doubts.
At fifty, I knew the Mandate of Heaven.
At sixty, my ear was obedient.
At seventy, I could follow what my heart desired,
and not transgress the norm."
- Confucius, Analects II:4.
“Know then thyself, presume not God to scan,
The proper study of mankind is Man.
Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
He hangs between, in doubt to act or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a God or Beast;
In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little or too much;
Chaos of thought and passion, all confused;
Still by himself abused or disabused;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurl'd;
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!
Go, wondrous creature! mount where science guides,
Go, measure earth, weigh air, and state the tides;
Instruct the planets in what orbs to run,
Correct old time, and regulate the sun;
Go, soar with Plato to th’ empyreal sphere,
To the first good, first perfect, and first fair;
Or tread the mazy round his followers trod,
And quitting sense call imitating God;
As Eastern priests in giddy circles run,
And turn their heads to imitate the sun.
Go, teach Eternal Wisdom how to rule—
Then drop into thyself, and be a fool!”
? Alexander Pope, An Essay on Man
Maybe some of the physics experts know what the deal is.
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The acknowledgedly oversimplified, incomplete, and rule of thumb rough outline of an argument against sex with dead animals: :gasp:
Healthy sexuality: mutually experienced physical and mental attraction toward other with intents of either bringing about offspring with other or, for those of us not utterly materialist in our thinking, of bringing about a closeness of being - an emotive bond, however transient - between those who are so sexually attracted and of a mature enough age to consent in informed manners (e.g., neither anal nor oral sex have anything to do with bringing about offspring, to keep things on the physical side). (Also, this applies to LGTBQs in terms of the second intent addressed - such that it occurs with the intent of bringing about offspring being absent rather than perverted … as is routinely the case in heterosexual sex as well.)
Masturbation regarding healthy sexuality: a semi-healthy sexuality in that it does not serve to actualize either of the intents of the aforementioned but keeps one going by satisfying these intents via fantasy, this without perverting the intents in question
Rape: a perversion of the intent for closeness … to not start mentioning the harm caused
Bestiality: a perversion of either intent involved in healthy sexuality
Necrophilic bestiality: a massive amplification of the perversion of either intent involved in healthy sexuality
Oh, and perversions of health is bad.
… this argument being a work in progress. This for those who don’t know why sex with dead animals is bad.
I know you have not fully formulated your viewpoint but l don't see why closeness of being - intimate bond should serve as a moral criterion since you are perfectly fine with a purely mechanistic sex done for the sake of reproduction. On the other hand, If you say , atleast one of the two criterion should be present to separate morally approved sexual behavior from reprehensible sexual behavior. This implies emotionally cold sex with protection is immoral but l am sure you don't hold this position. Furthermore, why are the 2 characteristics neccessary in sex, it's surely not a logical necessity and l don't see any apparent moral necessity , if it even exists in the first place
You replaced perversion with immorality in meaning but it doesn't explain show why perversion is being equated with immorality. Perversion is a diversion from the ordinary and is in of itself free from any moral value.
I think you can clarify on "intent" , perhaps you can bring the concept of consent to the topic to make it more interesting
You’re kind’a putting words into my mouth that I’ve never stated. For instance, didn’t use concepts of moral/immoral but of health (commonly interpreted as good) and perversion of health (hence deviation from, thus a lack of, health, and of this being bad). Although, sure, actively seeking that which is bad might on many an occasion be deemed immoral. Emotionally cold sex as healthy or good – or, sure, even moral - hmm … I suppose like a purported attraction to beauty without feeling anything aesthetic in what one witnesses being deemed healthy and good. Only that here is concerned another human being (that one treats as a piece of meat?). Not what women tend to desire, in my experiences. For that matter, nor do I. That aside, as I’ve said, what I’ve presented is a work in progress; one that preliminarily works for me just fine. Impressed that most of it didn't make any sense to you. As to why human connection is healthy or as to the clarification of “intent”, I’ll get back to these as soon as I can figure out a logically substantiated clarification for what “is” is, kind of thing.
NYT
If so, then it's a marked adjustment to current estimates.
Zhurong reveals recent aqueous activities in Utopia Planitia, Mars (May 11. 2022)
Quoting Robert Frost - The Tuft of Flowers
Sounds more like you were smoking the grass.
Maybe it just goes to show how easy it is to manipulate some people with us-versus-them aggression?
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Personally, I don't mind if there are threads that don't interest me for whatever reason, and I can even tolerate low quality posts. But the flaming is so ubiquitous and inescapable and it makes me feel bad. I think I might take a break 'til my next incarnation.
I get burned out sometimes too. A break can be a good thing. I get tired of hearing my own figurative voice from time to time.
Five now.
Maybe it should be given its own room. A Lounge for people who only want to only talk about that.
No need for anything so draconian. I'll be satisfied as long as they keep letting me whine and complain. Or as they say in places other than the US, whing and complain.
Noo, need a wise kind voice hereabouts.
They said: "You don't understand the stock market."
Then 1929 happened.
We said: "You can't lend money without proper security"
They said: "You don't understand modern banking and complex financial instruments"
Then 2008 happened.
We said: "You can't just print money when you've run out. It will lose its value and cause inflation."
They said: "It's 'quantitative easing', you simple man. You don't understand economics."
Now what's happening?
To equate today's inflation with the depression and the 2008 crash shows a lack of perspective. I remember in the 1980s when inflation was greater than 10%. That, along with our babies bowel movements and house prices, was all we talked about with our neighbors at parties. That wasn't the only time we had serious inflation since the war. We haven't had to deal with it much in the past 30 years or so, so people have forgotten or never knew.
Doesn't mean what's going on isn't important. Come back in a year and maybe you'll be able to say "I told you so."
I like to pretend I know something when I know nothing. But even that doesn't make me special.
I can't believe there are actual numbers divisible by both 2 and 3. They must be very rare, at least.
6, 12, 18, 24, 30
I never thought of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdZrxkix9Mk
The real question is whatever happened to @Agustino? :chin:
Yes. He was a pain in the ass, but in retrospect he looks like a regular Chopin-hour or Can't.
I don’t know what this means.
Doh :groan:
It might be the case that every number is divisible by 2 and 3. For example, 29 divided by 3 is 29 thirds.
Reminds me of a dad joke. If you have 3 apples and 5 people, how do you divide them up?
Make applesauce.
Speaking of dads, my dad's favorite applesauce was Motts chunky applesauce
Speaking of dads and food, once I threw a sliced mushroom in my dad's bowl of tomato soup he had on the stove. He asked me why I did that, and I told him I was making One Mushroom Soup and the winner would be the one who got the mushroom in their bowl. It became the way we made our tomato soup from then on out.
Thought I'd share that food story with you. It's a pretty good one I think.
I predicted he would burn brightly and thereafter disappear. Something to do with youth.
I never explain my jokes. Thank you for filling in for me.
I heard through the grapevine he became a monk. :brow:
I think you are right. I tried it several ways and it always seems to come out just as you report.
Quoting Hanover
And rather touching. And safer than a sixpence in the Christmas pudding.
Capuchins or Hare Krishnas?
Troy McClure in "Planet of the Apes - the Musical.+
If I quote someone in new reply they will receive notification.
then If I edit my post to quote someone else in same post, will they receive notification as well since it's an edit of exising post?
Unfortunately, no. If you add a quote after you've first posted it, the person quoted won't be notified.
Sad, I think "edit post" should account for new quotes.
Admins what do you think of this?
Premonstratensians, as rumor had it.
If you click a 'reply' to the original post and place it as the 'byline' of the quote, the quoted person will be notified.
It's a good one.
My High School.
Good times.
:lol:
Ah, yes. I remember this from back in the 1960s. The Ponderosa, right?
I once went over 30 years without the internet. Dark times.
@“SpaceDweller” ? @SpaceDweller
Just use "regular quotes" instead of “fancy quotes”
A great cowboy song, maybe the best, written by an effete New York playwright. Although, according to Wikipedia, the words were written by "Robert (Bob) Fletcher, a poet and engineer with the Department of Highways in Helena, Montana."
The vast majority of highway engineers are poets.
That's only true in Montana, where they have cayuses.
Slow, stop, slow, stop, slow
Stop, slow, stop, slow, stop, slow, stop
Slow, stop, slow, stop, slow
That's a haiku.
I thought those were dance steps.
Quoting Bitter Crank
Welcome back! Good to know you're not hurt.
Sounds like you are in a New York state of mind.
More like a “this is my only day off before a 7 day work week” state of mind.
Enjoy it. I do love New York City. You get the seven day work week, while all I have to do is imagine sitting in the park with coffee and philosophy on a nice day.
Well, I did it to myself since I was out of town for a bit and now am in need of the cash money.
Madison Cawthorn Calls For Rise Of ‘Dark MAGA’ In Wild Rant After Loss (Forbes; May 19, 2022)
How do these people get so many votes anyway?
8m:49s
Notice how neatly one role of narration is exemplified :D
Maybe he recovered from his manic psychosis episode. Maybe TPF is his best medicine against depression! Who can tell?
I suspect it's different to be without the internet by one's own volition as opposed to being forced into it.
Sometimes, I don't even turn on the computer for a week or more, because I simply don't have the time. And I don't really miss it. But I know it's there if I'd need it. I wonder what it would be like to be cut off from it indefinitely.
Maybe you PM other mods, I don't know.
I deified Hannah
Spat nuts on a tit, aha
Hannah deified I
Chewbacca
Queequeg
Cthulhu
Mxyzptlk
Quetzalcoatl
Dormammu
Yggdrasil
Kashyyyk
Theory
Fantasy
Electric
A worthy addition.
A new list, one of your own.
Beelzebub? :chin:
A bit mundane I think. It should be something more obscure.
:groan:
Agamotto
Haha! He belongs on the list for sure.
Voyager 1 crossed the heliosphere in 2012, Voyager 2 in 2018, leaving around November:
Far out. :)
I'm surprised I never heard of that.
No, no. We only allow things that actually exist on the list.
Don't tell me you don't know the Vishanti...
Well, I used to really like Dr. Strange, but I don't remember that. I always liked the way Dormammu was drawn back in the 60s and 70s.
Do you think the new dr. Strange movie is worth a visit?
When will it arrive?
I can't imagine how mods don't get to know about Prishon spamming every thread on the forum. He is hard to miss (which is a big part of why he was banned in the first place).
See something, say something. :up:
Returning to my current country of residence was a cruel reality check. Made to wait for hours at passport control along with all the other foreigners, followed by an interrogation in which they looked at what apps I had on my phone and looked through my WhatsApp contacts. Legally I could have refused (the charming but steel-eyed young interrogator asked me nicely if I minded) but I sacrificed my dedication to freedom and privacy so as to ensure I didn't have to spend the night in the airport alone and to keep myself off their watch list. Now I feel bitter and kind of wish I'd refused.
That was only the worst episode in a shitty day in which my bike went missing and I almost missed the flight, but I choose to think back to the mackerel I was happily chomping the day before back in Turkey, that beacon of freedom and democracy.
Few can't be appeased with beets and chickpeas.
When they talk about Istanbul on TV, they always show the mackerel stands. Like coffee kiosks in Seattle. Not a fan of mackerel.
Speaking of Russia, have you read any of the "Night Watch" books. I just read the first and really enjoyed it. I like books where I have to use my Kindle to look up unfamiliar words in foreign languages.
You say that now. If you say that after a bite of a spicy Istanbul mackerel sandwich, I'll take you seriously.
Quoting T Clark
Who was? Me?
Quoting T Clark
No, never heard of them. As far as contemporary Russian genre fiction goes, I do fancy Metro 2033 and its sequels. Post-apocalyptic SF set in the Moscow Metro.
If I ever go to Istanbul, I'll definitely try one. I never have found an oily fish I enjoy eating. My wife loves bluefish. Whenever she makes it, she only makes enough for herself, knowing that I'll make something else for myself. Problem is, if there's any left over, it get's reheated in the microwave. There are few worse smells than bluefish reheated.
Are you including salmon and trout?
Quoting T Clark
I noticed that the balik ekmek stands that are popular with locals and had very long queues did not stink at all, but the ones in the tourist hotspots stank real, real bad. And that's coming from a mackerel lover.
Good point. Salmon is ok, but I'd never order it. Trout I'm not a fan of, although I haven't eaten it a lot. Cod, haddock, halibut, perch, flounder, sole - I love them. My body loves them. There's a restaurant that makes fish chowder. Sometimes when I'm eating it, I moan because it's so good.
:smirk:
[quote=Stephen Colbert]AMERICA! The Land of the Free and home of unlimited breadsticks.[/quote]
:groan:
Sounds like that movie, 'When Halibut met Sally'.
There was this place on Hwy 20 at the Forsyth County line called Rainbow Ranch where they had stocked ponds and you'd catch fish and pay by the pound after you caught them. You weren't allowed to throw them back, so when I'd get a bite, I'd yank real quick hoping to get the fish to fall off the hook.
There was this other place off Hwy 29 out in Tucker where'd they'd stock the lake with great big catfish and they'd be so stunned when they were loaded off the truck that you could try to hook them before they went underwater. But then the lady came out and yelled at me not to do that.
Damn her! Damn her to hell!
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In other news, the correct plural of nemisis is nemises.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/may/23/us-supreme-court-prisoners-ineffective-counsel-challenges?fbclid=IwAR0ThZ76CVbwLD1b_XWUyRJqexkrrKfj5ErmB4uKwSVmdjE-DgSBgk8zXvA
No, I'll be mildly interested in the result but I'd rather take a bath in cow shit than listen to the stupid details of their relationship.
Here's the video.
As far as I know, this wasn't Donald Trump's idea.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a bunch of incel misogynists just want Jack Sparrow to stick it to blondie because they never could or maybe she truly is a lying sociopath and justice be done. I'll take the cow shit. It's cleaner.
To me, it's a civil trial concerning a couple of degen celebs and their shitty personal lives. To you, it's a big deal. We differ. That's ok.
I would have thought my bathing habits give Jamal more pause on my continued employment here, but his priorities seem equally perverse. The vast philosophical literature on spoilt celebs arguing in court seems to have escaped us both.
...I'm not criticizing how you spend your free time, Karl. You don't need to justify yourself nor do I. Chill.
Name one.
The ethics of shitting in someone's bed.
Potentially, but you don't need to watch the details of this particular trial (who shat in who's bed when where and how (thx @Michael!) ) to debate whether or not victims should always be believed. And, yeah, the ins and outs of the trial might be interesting from a psychological point of view and there might be some political implications, but the philosophy is at best tangetial in that respect. Also, the political correctness/MeToo debate has been going on here for years, most notably re the accusations against Brett Kavanaugh. Anyhow, you're welcome to start a thread if you want to expand on this.
:up:
When women use political language to complain about men, it sometimes makes me angry. When men do the same to women, it always just embarrasses me.
Have a lot of women used political language to compain about you - or vice versa?
Women who know me have many good, non-political reasons to complain about me. I don't remember ever complaining about any woman or women in general using political language. Perhaps I have and have forgotten.
'The personal is political', also termed 'The private is political' is a political argument used as a rallying slogan of student movement and second-wave feminism from the late 1960s. Is that a one sided coin?
That's not something I've ever said or would say.
But you did say:
Quoting T Clark
Double standard, don't you think? Reflective of the double standard inherent to politically correct identity politics, that paints some identities as always victims, and other identities as always oppressors?
Not at all. Sometimes, when someone, anyone, complains about me, it makes me angry.
Is that a typo? Originally, you said 'men' - now it's 'me' - but maybe that 'me' is a typo. Again, I'm kind of suspicious there's a long line of women making complaints about you. Me, I'm speaking specifically to the dangers of a politically correct dogma that requires loyalty under threat of insult, social exclusion, threat, doxing, disemployment etc, etc. I think it's incredibly dangerous - even while I'm generally supportive of women.
What's your experiences with domain names?
Could this fetch a high price? (I paid about 1$).
It stands out as some sort of retinal technology company...
And last but not least "emocu.co.uk"
I am a man. If someone is complaining about men in general, they are complaining about me.
Quoting karl stone
What does that have to do with Johnny Depp bringing a defamation suit against his ex-wife.
The only time I had liver it was an accident. Not the best introduction.
Foie gras probably not so much.
Beef liver is an acquired taste. My mother used to serve it, so I can eat it without grimacing, but it's not my first choice. Chicken liver is wonderful. Liverwurst is great as are many liver pates.
I've also had hare's kidneys, but that's another matter.
I usually go for something that looks like it's an actual word or combination of words rather than a semi-random string of letters. I just bought one that's two words, the first is a very common name and the second is a very common word and together they make a pun. It's a .com.
Quoting Varde
No.
Quoting Varde
I want what you're smoking bruv.
Retintech.com is available for a couple of dollars. You're welcome.
If I eat enough liver will I eventually just gain a new liver? That would be great.
:lol:
Never reheat fish in the microwave. In fact, never reheat leftover fish. Eat it cold or put it on the counter until room temp. However, the oven is another matter. If you have time to re-heat in the oven, that's the only way.
Pure luck.
As a semi-vegetarian and continuing to progress to vegetarian state, the more inward the meat is, the more I tend to repulse it. I've eaten those, many years ago. And I have forgotten they exist until I read your post just now. I am actually a pescatarian and ovo-vegetarian.
Ah ok, good to know. I'll keep it in mind.
— karl stone
Quoting T Clark
I see! Well, there are a lot of you 'angry men' about, that's for sure. Which is why I'm a little surprised the forum has collectively refrained from offering any view, or guidance.
"the dangers of a politically correct dogma that requires loyalty under threat of insult, social exclusion, threat, doxing, disemployment etc, etc."
— karl stone
Quoting T Clark
Well, first off they're suing eachother for defamation; he's suing for $50m, and she's counter suing for $100m. Depp's suit relates to an op-ed that came out 2018, 2 years after their divorce - written by Amber Heard, ACLU and MeToo - casting Heard as the victim (and champion) of domestic abuse.
Depp's saying that her allegations of domestic abuse are untrue, and that she was the aggressor. In my opinion, there's substantial evidence to that effect; but true or not, that's for the court to decide. What's irrefutable is that Heard was believed uncritically by the media - under the auspices politically correct, MeToo identity politics - such that the Sun Newspaper in London ran a piece calling Depp a "wife beater."
Depp sued the Sun and lost; a result I found surprising, if not perverse, legally speaking, because while Heard had made allegations of domestic abuse - and played the victim publicly; the allegations were all ultimately withdrawn by Heard and Depp in a joint statement. Depp paid the divorce settlement - $7m and they parted.
Also irrefutable is that in 2016, Heard said she didn't want any money from the divorce settlement; and would donate the money to ACLU and a school in LA. She drank in public sympathy and acclaim; while everytime she appeared and published in this role - as a champion of domestic abuse, she compounded the allegations against Depp, damaging his career.
Until this day, Heard hasn't given any money to ACLU or the school. Depp gave $100,000 in her name, and Elon Musk gave $500,000 in her name, but she kept every penny of the divorce settlement; and when challenged on this, claimed she couldn't pay because she was sued. But it was over a year after the divorce that Depp sued Heard. On the stand, she refused to understand the difference between "pledged" and "donated" - and that to my mind is key.
Heard is suing Depp for loss of earnings; relating to a statement by a lawyer named Waldman, working for Depp, who said that Heard's allegations were "a hoax cooked up by her and her team." She estimated this loss at $100m on the basis of her 'co-lead' role in Aquaman, relative to the earning potential of Jason Mamoa - who plays Aquaman. But the head of Warner Brothers shot her down, saying she wasn't the co-lead; that Aquaman was always pitched as a buddy movie, and she was the love interest of the lead. He also said she no chemistry with Mamoa on screen - and they had to fake it.
In short, Heard has been playing on the unquestionable nature of political correctness; for public sympathy, and to bolster her career, casting herself as a victim, and Depp as the 'white male patriarchy' - while repeatedly claiming to have paid the ACLU and the school, she sat on the $7m dicorce settlement. It's significant because of the duplicity it demonstrates, and the shelter from just scrutiny provided by political correctness. Given such duplicity on Heard's part, it's quite concievable that Waldman's statement 'that Heard and friends cooked up the allegations' is entirely accurate - but the press and public believe her because they're required to automatically believe the 'victim.'
I've left out all the testimony of psychologists and psychiatrists, which again, doesn't flatter Amber Heard. I've left out the forensic data specialist who testified today that photographs of Heard's so called injuries were doctored using photoshop; and testimony of police officers who 'didn't identfy Heard as a victim of domestic abuse.' There's a lot that weighs against her. On the basis of the evidence in the case, I think Depp would be vindicated. But even if he is, a lot of people still won't believe it - because of the politically correct imperative to 'believe the victim.' And quite possibly, despite what I think is overwhelming evidence, it may be political correctness reaches right into the jury room, and requires the jury turn a blind eye to the facts. And that's what political correctness has to do with it!
I don't care about any of this. I care about you somehow trying to raise this to the level of an important philosophical issue, in the process berating our beloved moderator @Baden.
It's hostile and ostracising that you take it upon yourself to take offence on Baden's behalf. In effect you're saying to Baden he should be offended; and I'm saying to you - stop stirring shit that ain't your shit to stir. Perosnally I'm quite sure Baden is more than capable of defending himself from any remarks on my part, that may have come across more brusque than intended.
Beloved he may be or not, but only once before has "beloved" and "Baden" appeared in close proximity, and that was in a statement by @counterpunch; it wasn't Baden that was beloved.
Dunn, J. C.
Abstract
The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept. Several concepts for drilling, energy extraction, and materials survivability were successfully demonstrated in Kilauea Iki lava lake, Hawaii. The present program is addressing the engineering design problems associated with accessing magma bodies and extracting thermal energy for power generation. The normal stages for development of a geothermal resource are being investigated: exploration, drilling and completions, production, and surface power plant design. Current status of the engineering program and future plans are described.
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987STIN...8820719D/abstract
I bet he wishes he'd known about that at the time!
And so every now and then we really do need to get to the bottom of things, so formal investigations ensue, actual standards are established for burdens of proof and presumptions of innocence, and the types of evidence admissible are set.
That is to say, we all know that base she said/he said back and forths and politically correct assumptions aren't the standards we use for truth seeking, and no one has made an effort to dismantle our rules for such in formal settings. As is evident in this trial, we realize when the truth finding rules are enforced, the truth we find is different from what might have been spun.
Was there someone who thought otherwise?
In a democracy politicians are required to appeal to unfair epistemic social standards to get elected; and then make laws that embed those unfair epistemic standards in formal structures of invesigation. There's a case in the UK concerning a woman named Alison Bailey; an employment tribunal case where she was constructively dismissed because she maintained that biological sex matters, relative to the politically correct drive for gender self identification. Then there's all sorts of freedom of speech issues; where double standards have been embedded in law under the rubric of political correctness. So saying:
Quoting Hanover
..is obviously wrong. Any first grader should recognise the inherent unfairness of, for example - biological males in womens sports, toilets, changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis centers etc - or in a supposedly free society, shutting down one 'identity interest group' while granting others a virtual amnesty from criticism; because even just criticism runs the risk of legal penalties as 'hate speech.'
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There will always be controversial policies passed by legislatures, with nothing particularly precedent setting with the current round dealing with gender roles. The conservatives will always find a way to upset the liberals and vice versa. My point deals with the judicial side of things and how we go about resolving disputes within the substantive rules we set. That is, if Alison Bailey has had her rights violated is something the system can still handle fairly, regardless of whether she has taken a currently politically incorrect position.
To bring this back around to your original posts, what I'm saying is that the Depp trial hasn't shown us anything significant philosophically. It has only shown us that the prior media portrayal of the couple hasn't been accurate and that only after a true investigation into their lives do we actually learn the truth. And that returns to my first response, which was that it comes as no surprise that the media portrayal was not true, which should be expected because the role of the media is not simply to find truth for truth's sake (which is the function of the courts), but it's to sell their story.
https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
The jury are ordinary people; subject to a politically correct narrative that uses stigma, social exclusion, doxing, threat and violence to force complaince to its doctrines. You said yourself: "the court of public opinion isn't fair and that it's epistemological standards are lacking" - and that's what oridinary people are subjected to, bombarded with politicallly propaganda, to such a degree - in my view, it threatens the quality of justice.
A jury made up of ordinary people are tasked with sifting through decidedly biased representations from both sides - and my concern is, if pc dogma can force people to believe men are women, for example, how can a jury be trusted to make decisions based on the evidence?!?
Just make a thread, dude.
The question of how jurors can be trusted to follow the law isn't new and now especially challenged by the trans population. Our jury system will persevere the best it always has.
In any event, definitional changes bear no impact on epistemology. The former are political, the latter scientific. The error is yours in conflating the two and arriving at an absurd equivocation fallacy that suggests that there are actually people who can no longer decipher the difference between a biological male and a transsexual male because we now refer to both of them as "men."
I don’t think shoutbox posters are a good representative sample of everyone who’s active here.
I'll give you another example: Dr Marcus Evans, and 30 other therpaists quit the Gender Identity Development Service, complaining of politically correct pressure to 'only affirm' and proscribe puberty blockers to adolescents on the basis of 2-3 hours consultation. Dr Evans says this is not enough time to get to the root of issues, such as fear of puberty, or sexual abuse that may be the underlying cause of gender dysphoria.
Now lets return to the Labour Party's intent to made gender self identification law. Why? Has he not listened to Dr Marcus Evans? Does he not care there's a whole group of women pissed off about biological males invading their spaces? No! He cares about being politically correct!
Politically correct dogma gave Amber Heard space, and support to make false allegations of domestic abuse - to claim she'd paid the divorce stellment to ACLU and the school, to benefit from public symnpathy and media acclaim - while Depp is repeatedly defamed and villianised. Now, Depp has more than proved his case - but the question is, can the jury see past that 'always believe the victim' politically correct bias to make a fair judgment based on the evidence?
So you're saying that my interlocutors thus far, are a bunch of low grade morons? I think that's unfair....to morons!
Quoting karl stone
The question is whether the jury can listen to the facts and apply the law and render a fair judgment. That's been the case since the first jury found its way into the juror box and it remains the case today. As a general matter, jurors do the best of any system we can otherwise figure out. Will the system be vindicated for you if the jury finds in Depp's favor? I've not followed it, but from what you say, it sounds like Depp is likely going to prevail.
Unless the jury are afriad of being thought misogynistic bigots - as the media, and Heard's legal team have sought to portray anyone who takes Depp's side - I think, yes, Depp should prevail.
See:
See:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/700573
Tout naturel. :up:
I just noticed this - you edited my text and changed the meaning. I said "Sometimes, when someone, anyone, complains about me, it makes me angry."
"I don't care about any of this."
I resemble that remark! I think I'm an exceptional moron. I'm king of the hill, top of the list, head of the heap.
You’re the most Corvusian of them all, Clarky.
I've always thought of myself as Sipherionian, Dusty.
— karl stone
Quoting T Clark
I'm frankly shocked that you would take my words out of context! Shocked and dismayed! Appalled at the contrivence of a meaning from my actual words; when my actual words were so much more insulting!
Aside from the shredded wheat I imagine. Spray-on vitamins and minerals and all that.
Not so. In the not overly distant past a low-grade moron would have been demoted to an imbecile. A very high grade imbecile would be graduated into the collegiate class of morons. If your interlocutors are low grade imbeciles, then you are talking to idiots.
Quoting T Clark
An exceptional moron is merely stupid.
The 1977 American Psychological Association convention affirmed by an overwhelming majority the unimpeachable scientific finding that people are stupid.
Nothing else in the scientific literature has been so well demonstrate as the stupidity of Homo sapiens wise man.
I’m about half convinced by the evidence.
:sweat: C'est horrible!
I think there was a time that shirts with vitamins are being sold as health supplement -- you wear it and you will absorb the vitamins contained in the fabric. lol
Where do I sign up? Between this and eating enough liver to grow a new one, this could just combine for the miracle cure I need.
Correct me if I’m wrong but you seem to be the only one who’s making a fuss about my convictions, and this place is PC as fuck.
Your convictions; whether criminal, or conscientious, are of no concern so long as you maintain 23+23=5!
We partake of all sorts of fictions in social life. They're called institutional or social facts, though they are anything but facts. Why get so hung up on the gender thing? It seems to me that you are the one politicking.
She plays Aquaman's girlfriend or something but they lack chemistry, as though that matters in an Aquaman movie.
An amphibious superhero played by a Hawaiin dude. His wife will likely sue for abuse one day also because rumor has it that he's an asshat.
Hollywood should do a Wind In the Willows reboot but in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. @praxis ‘s Hawaiian dude could make a cameo.
How about Antifaman or Marxman?
Maybe just a quick refresher on how political correctness is based in postmodernism, if you don't mind.
No! Heroes are bourgeois crap. Standard people are much better.
But frog heroes are particularly galling.
Quick reminder that The Boys is the best superhero series because the superheros are bad.
I appreciate it, thanks.
Or as they call it in Ireland, foreplay.
For this one may need to attend the virtual university and youtube tabernacle of Jordan B Peterson, via Stephen Hicks....
Very nice.
I have no particular interest in the matter, but I know that Peterson fans talk this kind of shit all the time. Are you a Peterson neophyte or do you consider yourself an original thinker?
In my view, a sensitivity to moral implication is ingrained into the human organism by evolution in a social, tribal environment. Loyalty to eachother and the tribe, food sharing, mutual grooming, etc was a survival advantage - something Nietzsche failed to appreciate, hence nihilism; a non-existant chasm over which Peterson skates with Jungian archetypes and religious waffle.
In my view, religion is the politics of primitive people - it's how hunter gatherer tribes joined together to form muti tribal social groups, nations, empires - by adopting the same idea of God as authority for social laws that applied to everyone. It's how they overcame tribal heirarchy - they adopted an uber-alpha-male in the form of God.
I'm skeptical. Do you have any backup for this idea?
Skepticism falls to the sword of Occam's razor; if it is vain to multiply entities beyond necessity, it's doubly so to divide and divide and divide until one has nothing!
It is my view; a product of reading and reason, noting the ubiquity of religion to civilisations, the shape of the pyramids in egypt and south america as a representation of social heirarchy, the tribal competitive construction of stonehenge, the nazcar lines drawn to be visible from above, the similarities between kon tiki, horus and jesus, and so on and on; it is in the end, the simplest adequate explanation.
You're still making multi-paragraph length posts in the shoutbox?
The shoutbox is specifically meant for food and cuisine-related posts.
Is that so? In that case may I suggest you eat shit!
I eat shit on the semi-regular; bodega baconeggncheesesaltpepperketchup, shitty slices from the corner store, MSG-infused Chinese take-out. What's up.
That's not really how things played out as I understand it. In Western society, for example, it's theorized that religion was instrumental in state-building, but it did so by essentially weakening tribal social bonds and altering the nature of property ownership to be more impersonal. Also, leadership in democratic states can't be above the rule of law, and neither can religion.
Clearly, religion is still influential in politics though it doesn't have the power that it once had.
Saw an ad for the new season the other day. Now if I can just get my damn Amazon Prime app to work.
*Grimaces at the bad metaphor*
*what are you guys talking about*
*We're not talking I'm being mean and saying SXL made a cringy metaphor*
The 90's kids do! Are you laughing in little itty bits of data being slowly transported to your computer based on how many other kids are also hosting the mp3. you want? You're laughing in torrents, right?
Great use of gaslighting again. Good job.
Quoting Noble Dust
Speaking of posts, did you know Jacky Depp and Amber Bird are currently fighting for custody of a Victorian lamp post worth six million dollars? Learn more about 19th century philosophy by tuning in daily to the Shoutbox!
Humans evolved; and for the longest time they lived as hunter gatherers in tribes between 40-120 strong. They had a tribal heirarchy; led by alpha males - who, to greater or lesser degrees, monopolized food and sexual opportunity.
Later, we have multi-tribal societies - leading to civilisations, city states, empires, nations. So how did humans make that transition originally? Given the heirarchical structure of ther hunter gatherer tribe; and the priviledges enjoyed by alpha males, how could any two such structures join together into a single cohesive whole?
Given the ubiquity of religious concepts to ancient civilisations, we can project backward in time - to events lost in the mists of history, to suppose - with a reasonable degree of certainty, that they overcame tribal dynamics by adopting the same idea of God.
What you're talking about; religion in Western society, occurs around 40,000 years after what I'm talking about - and after the fall of Rome in the west, reversed progress for about a thousand years, until civilisation flourished again.
It's actually quite interesting, because the fall of Rome, and long interregnum of the dark ages, followed by rediscovery of ancient knowledge as a consequence of the Crusades from about 1000 AD, gave Europeans a classicist perspective, with truth, knowledge, philosophy, medical knowledge - a backward looking endeavour. Interesting, but a different kettle of sausages altogether!
Why I hate it so much is because they don't really care about the rights of the identity interest groups they pitch against Western civilisation. Like the greens don't really care about sustainability; because if they did, they'd have been calling for the application of Magma Energy technology from 1982 onward - not stop this, tax that, pay more and have less. It's anti-capitalism using sustainability as a weapon; just as MeToo is using Amber Heard and people like her as a weapon. And it's a zero sum power game; for them to win, everyone has to lose!
Yeah, he was. I think it's so unfair when people call Deep a bloated, drug addled, child who has lost all control in the manner of his hero Cunter S Fuksom.
You update my history reading; I'm done; I've crafted a philosophy I'm happy with - one allows me to analyse and comprehend in morally moderate and epistemically valid terms, that which I happen across - in what must surely be the autumn of my life! Given the snarky, but sematically empty nature of your remark I can safely assume you're little more than a child, and so I encourage you to pick up where I left off! Best of luck to you!
1. Hunter-gatherer societies: the applicability of "alpha males" is disputed and unscholarly, and the idea that they were distinctively hierarchical goes against modern research.
2. The dark ages: the idea that it was the Church that reversed progress, or that the dark ages were as dark as claimed, again goes against modern historical research.
But given that you've crafted a "philosophy" you're happy with, updating it is not an option for you.
How's that for snark? :grin:
Modern research? If by that you mean post-modern neo-Marxist research - that blithely denies biological fact to undermine concepts like heirachy - then, yeah, that's really modern! Utter bollocks, but super-duper modern!
I'm aware the Dark Ages didn't cast Europeans all the way back to the stone age; but Europe did lose greek and roman philosophy, atroloogy, math, construction methods - and so on and on, and have to reinvent a lot of these things independently. And it's also true that the Crusades from 1000 AD returned lost Greek and Roman knowledge to Europe - because that was the basis upon which the Papal Court of the Inquisition was founded around 1200 AD.
Ah, now it makes sense
Or to put it another way, post modernism mocks that which it cannot understand.
Hamlet - act 1 scene 5 - there are greater things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Post modernist Hamlet - there are greater things in my philosophy than are dreamt of in heaven and earth!
Like this:
Would you care to elaborate?
"Warhol’s depiction of Mao was set in motion by President Richard Nixon’s visit to China, an event which was widely publicised on the world’s media stage in its quest to end years of diplomatic isolation between the two nations. Bruno Bischofberger, Warhol’s long-time dealer and supporter in Zurich, also encouraged Warhol to return to painting by making portraits of the man he saw to be the most important figure of the 20th century. The cult of Mao pervaded the Cultural Revolution of 1966–1976 with the Chairman’s image becoming the focus of political propaganda disseminated throughout China during this time. This inescapable ubiquity of Mao’s image instantly attracted Warhol, who drew comparisons with his own screen prints of iconic figures as he remarked, “I have been reading so much about China. They’re so nutty. They don’t believe in creativity. The only picture they ever have is of Mao Zedong. It’s great. It looks like a silkscreen.”
Warhol therefore chose to base his portrayal of Mao on the Communist leader’s internationally recognisable official portrait that was illustrated on the cover of the widely circulated 1966 publication Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong, also known as the Little Red Book. Between 1972 and 1973 Warhol created 199 Mao paintings in five set scales across five individual series, in addition to a series of 10 screen prints. The prints employ a broad spectrum of vivid colours that are synonymous with the printmaking technique and aesthetic of Warhol’s most renowned work."
https://www.myartbroker.com/artist-andy-warhol/collection-mao
Provides a realistic picture?
Quoting karl stone
Gold is a chemical element with the symbol Au (from Latin: aurum) and atomic number 79
I was thinking more about popularisation in a context of such complete moral relativism as to be at best vacuous, and at worst complicit!
Quoting Baden
Bambi Herd was a lovely child. Someone should have kept her out of Hollywood. :sad:
Oh, right. Well, at least he didn't do Hitler.
Quoting karl stone
It's a bad idea to put words into the capo di tutti i capi's mouth, but I think the Administrator Formerly Known as Jamalrob is saying that, although it is unworthy of us to make fun of members, your smug, self-righteous, and intellectually unsupported responses make it so we don't have to feel bad when we do.
That's not Warhol - it's a spoof of Warhol's Marilyn by Jesse Lenz.
Quoting T Clark
So far, you've been wrong about Warhol mocking Mao - when in fact it was a tribute, inspired by political diplomatic overtures, and now attributed an imitation of Warhol's aesthetic to the original artist. You try to mock me but are making a mockery of yourselves!
Remember what happened last time you said that. But ok - my wife made spinach and green chile enchiladas last night. They'd be good for dinner tonight except I ate two servings yesterday.
You can look up Japan creating t-shirts with vitamin C (yeah, I thought there were shirts that had multiple vitamins, lol :sweat: )
I'm not sure about growing a liver. I know that alcohol and too much protein are very taxing on human liver -- hence, it's good to avoid drinking too much and eating too much protein.
Everyone here was already a mockery of ourselves. Most of us were born that way.
Similar lives, mine just a bit quirkier.
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I think you left out the part where you come back from the park before you take your clothes off. Or maybe not.
I take it you’ve been reading Yuval Noah Harari (Sapiens)? That’s all well and good as far as I know, but you seem to be applying those ideas with far too big a brush. The development of states requires overcoming kinship and tribal bonds, from what I understand, but religion has played various roles in this societal development, sometimes aiding the development of states and capitalism, such as in the West, and in other cultures, like India, it has apparently hindered the development of a strong state.
When is he up for parole?
At my local restaurant, it's bring your own wife but I don't like the wife I've got so I'm off to get another.
What makes it postmodernist?
I hear Amber Heard is available.
I wish I could say I have, but no. I've just read a review on wikipedia, and while I'm addressing the same broad theme - the evolutionary history of humankind, my arguments differ in significant ways. I don't consider morality fictional - in the sense of an intellectual exercise. I believe that human beings are imbued with a moral sense by virtue of tribal evolution; and that religion, philosophy, law, politics, economics are expressions of the innate moral sense.
I also take issue with this idea:
"Harari sees the Scientific Revolution as founded on innovation in European thought, whereby elites became willing to admit to, and hence to try to remedy, their ignorance."
Quite the opposite. The Church put Galileo on trial for heresy and philosophy invented subjectivism to avoid responsibility to science as truth. They used science as a tool to drive the Industrial Revolution from 1730 ish, but developed and applied technologies for the the power and profit of pre-existing religious, political and economic ideological architectures that remained unreformed in relation to science as truth - such that, even unto today, we have climate change denial.
Any similarities are a consequence the same subject matter, not the same approach or conclusions.
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It says so on the back!
silly
Goodbye.
Hello Hello! I don't know why you'd say goodbye...
If you’re referring to postmodernism I think the intended target is straight white males, like Mr. Depp. Hay, we’ve gone full circle! :party:
I haven't moved at all. I was referring to subjectivism; specifically Descartes Mediations on First Philosophy, which uses a method of radical skepticism to forge the foundational subjectivist axiom 'I think therefore I am' - while Galielo was on trial for his works, life and eternal soul for using scientific method to prove earth orbits the sun. Descartes and Galileo were contemporaries; and when Galileo was arrested Descartes withdrew a work on physics entitled 'The World' and wrote Meditations instead, to accord with religious ideas of the soul.
Post modernism is the result of this massive over-emphasis on subjectivism in Western philosophy; it's a subjectivist philosophy - but pomo didn't occur until ~350 year after the events I'm talking about there.
Further, pomo alone isn't the sole source of political correctness. Political correctness draws upon critical theory, pomo, neo-marxism and identity politics; fermented together in the seven stomachs of the cow that is left wing University humanities departments since the 1960's civil rights era - and has progressed far beyond MLK's dream that his children be judged - not on the colour of their skin but the content of their character.
Political correctness does judge people on the colour of thier skin, their sex, sexual orientation, etc. It divides people into identity interest groups it pitches against eachother, and specifically against the "white male patriarchy" for political advantage. I'm with MLK, I like women, I don't care who consenting adults sleep with - but I despise political correctness.
I never would have pegged you for a vaper. What kind of wine is available? A lot of Georgian Saperavi I imagine?
Ah, that explains why there are no white male patriarchs on the left side of the aisle, and why some speech is PC, even though all speech is only valid from the perspective of an individual group.
He's a Great Pyrenees and looks full breed. If you want him, let me know and I'll PM him to you.
Good for you. I’m an American Spirits guy. That’s how I lie to myself that it’s all good.
The wine industry is weird and backwards in a lot of ways; I’m not surprised there haven’t been any interruptions. Saperavi is quite an intense wine for a go-to.
What is that?
Quoting Noble Dust
That's the way I roll.
Hipster cigarettes; organic-ish with no additives whatsoever. They last 10 minutes, even the lightest blend, which I smoke. An intense go-to cigarette.
I like Saperavi but I’m only good for like half a glass. I’m a Riesling head.
Having read your review, I returned him to the wild where he can live out his feral asshole existence. Good fucking riddance.
WAIT! HOLD EVERYTHING! I do have livestock! He can be my forever friend. :heart:
Quoting Noble Dust
:nerd:
You misspelled [i]weaponsing[/I] but I kinda like it. Sounds more whimsical.
Well, whatever the case, I didn't make it much further than the first paragraph.
That so, one might suppose a similarly massive disparity could exist between any two individuals within any identity politics interest group. It's a complete nonsense to categorize people by skin colour, sex and sexual orientation - yet, for the sake of this weaponsing of identity politics to attack the white male patriarchy, I am further disadvanatged as anyone who can claim minority status - is eligible for vartious forms of assistance to which I'm not entitled.
For example, recently, here in the UK - a rapper named Stormzy created scholarships to Cambridge University for black students, and everyone applauded him giving back to his community. Me included, good on him! Some years later, a man named Sir Brian Thwaites - who came from circumstances little different to my own - but got the opportunity to attend a good school, and made good in life, wanted to create scholarships for white working class boys like himself, but his money was rejected, and he was condemned as racist. Why? Because in the eyes of political correctness - I'm the same as Boris Johnson! A straight white male - so therefore similarly priviledged!
Consider further that political correctness is based in part on Marxism; and from 1845 upto the 1980's, Marxist's sought to convince the working class to cast of their chains, appropriate the means of production - and hand it all over to the Marxists for safe keeping in the name of the people. Their target then was the same as it is now - the bourgeoisie/the white male patriarchy is the same target; but neo-marxist's happily cast the working class aside, careless that politically correct weaponising of minority interests disadvatages the white working class they purported to represent for so long.
Therein lies a warning; these Marxists don't give a fuck about the people they purport to represent; they're just using people for self aggrandizing political ends. Like Mhari Black - a British MP who took a drag queen named Flowjob into schools to read to primary school children. I'm not saying Flowjob did anything untoward at all - but is an adult performer, to put it mildly. Parents were naturally concerned; I mean, would you take a porn star into schools to read to children? It's outrageous, and in my view Mhari Black knew there would be outrage - and right on cue she mounted her politically correct moral high horse to condemn the parents as homophobes, transphobes and bigots. Political correctness is clearly a nonsense, and it's a wicked nonsense.
/end
Quoting karl stone
I can think of a better use for a porn star than having him read to children. I mean, elocution isn't the skill that comes to mind first.
I remember my distant childhood, and like other children, was interested in sex on the childhood level. Sure, children have interests in sex, but that doesn't mean children should be given "too much information" too soon. The child's sexual interest, identity, role, and all that will unfold without adults taking too strong a hand in the matter. How does a drag queen relate to the concerns of 8 year olds?
If you're willing to buy fruit that is almost too old to sell, you can scoop up excellent deals.
It's difficult to even talk about without feeding into the polarisation that political correctness creates, and that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm sure you're not either. It's the double standard that infuriates me; because I imagine, had it been an all black choir, that same person would not have objected. But had they done so, my response would have been the same as yours: why should there be? In political correctness land, cultural integrity is a postive thing for black people, and a racist thing for white people. Also though, a group of gay guys going to see a choir. That's soooo gay!
They're really pushing the gender self identification thing here; trans rights have run smack bang into women's rights, and there's uproar on twitter - that's not feeding into the media, nor into politics. The leader of the Labour Party here, Keir Starmer is pledged to make gender self identification law - seemingly blissfully unaware, or careless of the conflicts such a policy would create. I assume you're aware of the Lea Thomas furore; the trans swimmer ranked about 900th as a man, smashing women's records as a "woman." Then there's men in womens prisons raping the inmates, children being told in schools there's 99 genders, and when they become dysphoric - being fed puberty blockers under a pc policy to "only affirm." According to Dr Marcus Evans, that's a direct contradition of best clinical practice - on the basis of a dogma cooked up in sociology departments, without serious peer review - because no-one dare disagree. No-one can say - hang on a minuet, let's think about this, because that automatically makes you a hateful bigot. Political correctness is in my view, a destructive dogma, and intentionally so. It's not about being nice; that's the guise the devil wears - but it's utterly pernicious, and it needs to stop.
I think that's exactly what you're trying to do. Almost everything you've written in this chain has clearly come from resentment. It's not fair!! Stomps feet. The fact that you brought this up in the context of the legal wrangling of two celebrities shows just how seriously you should be taken.
I wish you'd shut up and start an appropriate thread for your whining. That way I wouldn't keep tripping across your crap in the Shoutbox, which I usually enjoy reading. I promise, if you start a new thread, I'll stay away.
Hey, moderators, how about you have a word with Mr. Stone.
This has been going on at length for 3 days. It belongs in a separate thread. You've got a captive audience here of people who want to just get on with the trivial bullshit we usually mess around with here on the Shoutbox.
Just start a new effing thread.
It is indeed soooo gay, but gay is good, so there is that. Actually, it's not all that gay. Choral music is very popular here. Minnesota itself is in many ways a cultural backwater. This stagnant midwestern pond needs all the oxygen we faggots can blow into it.
I mean, you have no idea how profoundly stodgy a state composed of Norwegian Lutherans and German Catholics can be.
My dad was a half-Norwegian from North Dakota and I’m pretty sure that I’ve inherited much stodge from him.
Quoting T Clark
But, but... trivial bullshit is part of our DNA. Trivial bullshit is the dark matter that holds galaxies together. Trivial bullshit is life itself!
All glory, laud, and honor to trivial bullshit.
Please, just start a separate thread. I want to read about the stir fried Ethiopian dung beetles @Noble Dust had for dinner. I want to read ND and @Jamal discussing Chechnyan yak blood wine vintages. I want to hear what @Hanover has to say about Wonka® brand willie warmers.
It's been going on for three days. It belongs in its own thread.
I looked back at your comments, and haven't found one that's a serious contribution on any topic. Seriously mate, twitter!
Please just start a separate thread.
He has a compound gripe, which is that white people aren't allowed to gripe when they have an equal basis to gripe. It's a right to the fair gripe thing. Gripes might properly belong in the shoutbox alongside GooberGloves (tm), (the brand name I just coined), I'm not really sure. I'd have my grandmother knit me a GooberGlove had she not died 40 years ago.
In my R&D Department, I'm trying to create a ladies' counterpart to the GooberGlove. I'm going to call it the CooterComfy. Until it's fully developed, the girls will need to just invert and insert the GooberGloves to keep their petunias warm on those chilly stodgy Minnesota nights. I can think of no other way to keep such parts warm.
You see!! You see!! This is the kind of thing that belongs here. Enquiring minds want to know.
It's somewhat typical of a certain type of person to want to tell others what to do; and invariably, they're the most ardent acolytes of political correctness! I'm delighted to defy you on both levels!
Yes, you're a hero. Please just start a separate thread.
Please just start a separate thread.
All you have to do is start a separate thread.
All you have to do is mind your own business! I'm not preventing you from doing anything you want to do. You are however, seeking to infringe upon my liberties. Rawls would be disgusted by your behaviour!
*Thanks!
Please start a new thread.
Dude, @Streetlight and I are united in our frustration of your spamming of the shoutbox. That says a lot. To say nothing of Clarky, who I can never tag properly. At what point will you be satisfied?
Please troll me more - I'm loving how it pushes my creativity, thinking of new ways to tell you to go boil your head!
I'm politically neutral.
Why?
We don't heavily moderate the Shoutbox because it's sort of a free for all area, but, for the sake of keeping the site orderly and for visitors to find topics to discuss, it would make sense to post it in a specific thread.
My fear though is that you might be too invested in this pissing battle to alter course and post in a separate thread, but it would make logical sense if you want actual debate about the topic you've been bringing up.
Tomorrow is my day off after working 7 days in a row. I have a delivery minutes away: a bacon cheeseburger, along with a sampler platter of mozzarella sticks, wings, and tenders. Pray I survive the night.
:grimace: I'm ashamed of myself.
Why? Your my favorite visitor.
Gently, brother Karl. They may be stupid dogmatic radical left wing com-simps, but they are OUR stupid dogmatic radical left wing com-simps. Cooling their overheated brainpans is a slow and steady process; lay the chilled cloths gently on their fevered brows.
With all due respect, the guys you are having differences with are good folk (as much as any of us are good folk).
Strongly anticipating that first BC short story in the coming comp.
Why do you cry, oh oliphaunt?
Because even the shoutbox is not safe from spamming anymore.
:cry: I cry with you too, mon cher.
Safety and security are two different things, I post this to constructively criticize your vocabulary; yes, you should have used 'security'/secure.
Safe is a matter of body and security is a matter of mind. Though an insecure mind can make you unsafe and a unhealthy body can make you insecure.
Your mind is always safe, you ever heard of a mind in danger?
Brah
Makes sense. :chin:
A good question is, given mind can become insecure, what makes mind secure? Hope? Fearlessness?
'[I]Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill[/I]'- Whitney Houston.
You are good folks, BC. You have a way of bringing out decency in others with your tact and gentle wit. They are not good folks; not tactful, not witty, and nor are they philosophers. They are gatekeeping philosophy by mob handedly trashing anything that stirs the pot. Like counterpunch:
@counterpunch was right; magma energy is a thing. It was developed by NASA in 1982 - and proven a source of near limitless clean energy. This link is from the US Department of Energy website - and is entitled Status of the Magma Energy Project.
Dunn, J. C. (Sandia National Labs., Albuquerque, NM.)
Abstract
The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept. Several concepts for drilling, energy extraction, and materials survivability were successfully demonstrated in Kilauea Iki lava lake, Hawaii. The present program is addressing the engineering design problems associated with accessing magma bodies and extracting thermal energy for power generation. The normal stages for development of a geothermal resource are being investigated: exploration, drilling and completions, production, and surface power plant design. Current status of the engineering program and future plans are described.
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987STIN...8820719D/abstract
A quad is a quadrillion btu - and global energy demand is around 650 quads. That implies there's a minimum of a thousand times global energy demand available from magma just in the US alone. That was 40 years ago - and that energy source has still not been developed.
Most surprisng to me is that it was not developed by Vice President Al Gore; "The Inconvenient Truth" guy. He made films and wrote books, set up a foundation on climate change - but apparently, at no time during his tenure did NASA get on the phone, and say 'Hey Al, that climate change thing - there's an app for that!' At no time since, has the now obscenly rich former Vice President thought to take a glimpse at the US Department of Energy website. Nor has Greta Thunberg, the IPCC, COP26, Greenpeace, Extinction Rebellion etc, etc.
Neither did counterpunch apparently. He was working on a purely theoretical basis - when he suggested it should be possible to harness magma energy; when mob handedly attacked and driven off the forum by the sheer weight of sneering numbers. He started a thread, and I have to wonder if that thread was actually visible on the front page - or if it was buried about 5 levels down where no one would ever see it, while seeming to him to be on the front page! I also wonder if that's why you object to me posting in the shoutbox, because it is visible.
I imagine that guy is drinking in a park somewhere, grumbling that he could have saved the world. Now you'll have excuse me. It's a lovely sunny day!
He's now offering support for his theory that counterpunch was mistreated and presenting to us the magma theory so we can see for ourselves.
And that should bring you up to speed. Gotta stay sharp to follow the Shoutbox.
I enjoyed hardboiled eggs and cashews for breakfast.
Outrageous.
Quoting Hanover
Also outrageous.
I'll mainly be using it for blogging philosophy and art on my Wix max premium site.
Hopefully it runs on thermal energy magma(joking, just siding with the mods here; you probably have the right idea).
The apparatus is perfectly good at containing magma heat in a technical way to reduce a majority of thermal loss in the extraction process, or it's ineffective.
Of course, it would work, but have you got an efficient technology?
This is very old technology.
Not yet but I think a hunter may have killed his ma.
Bambi is a man? The plot thickens.
Can you do something about this, please @karl stone? E.g. Tell Bambi to put a dress on.
You need a technology spreading at a concave, pressing outward and tensing upward, at the least.
Though my description may be meager, it expresses something far more complex than a plug.
You've merely pointed to magma as energy source, it's not a stable thesis.
You need a rhythmic external manipulation to stir internal forces with an increasing intensity and focus, slowly building pressure, until a culmination and forceful release if you expect the continuation of life as we know it.
A plug of sorts might be a place to start, but without a subsequent process as I've described, it will ultimately only be frustrating and not satisfying your aim.
Probably need to use relaxed energy of the apparatus and a turbine array that spins to generate torque, might need to use a little energy, here and there.
Anyway, it was fun, gonna stop here...
I guess I should change my forum name to @Clarky.
Hey!! As usual, I resemble that remark.
Wow, I’m honored. :gasp:
It's my personal gift to you. A sign of affection and respect.
My suppressed, emotionally stunted midwestern brain doesn’t know what to do with compliments, but thank you. Perhaps it’s time to switch to Dusty. :chin:
Please don't.
:rofl:
Karl is no more hung up than any of us, at one time or another.
Just as an aside, starting a thread on gender issues, political correctness, etc would result in more interaction from a wider audience on TPF than the Shoutbox. Presumably.
No mustard? Mayo? Ketchup? Something?
Ketchup and avocado? Mustard and avocado? Mayo and avocado? Gag. Mustard is for hot dogs. Ketchup is for french fries. Mayo is for peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches.
Quoting Bitter Crank
Down in my stomach it's even messier.
It was very good beef and a good roll. I often eat raw onion on my burgers. Usually with Amurican cheese.
Quoting Bitter Crank
It was avocado, not guacamole. And I haven't had a haircut in 6 months. As for trendy, I am a trend leader for sound, pragmatic philosophy and Simpsons video clips.
Mustard is for everything.
Quoting Bitter Crank
The ideal burger is American cheese, yellow mustard, raw onion and pickles. Pickles are necessary.
Yes, I am aware of your type:
Two all beef patties
Special sauce
Lettuce, cheese
Pickles, onions
On a sesame seed bun
I think you meant Brioche bun.
Good color coordination between the flatware and jammies.
No
I prefer to think of it as a table cloth. Plates are always Petalware by W.S. George or Fiestaware.
I don't have a strong opinion on Brioche. This is the best burger in the world, the Galley Boy, pictured right:
https://swensonsdriveins.com/swensons-menu/
Oh, right, oops. We have the same style Fiestaware only in orange.
I deplore the use of brioche in savoury contexts.
Unnecessary, but iconic.
In what sweet context do you not deplore it's use?
Clarky is an engineer. He wouldn't know brioche from Brillo.
I have an odd attraction to silverware (Rogers Brothers oval thread), china (W.S. George petalware), women's names (Tan Vo, Lolita Davidovitz), women with red hair, mean women, stone buildings (Machu Pichu), glass Christmas Tree ornaments, and a partridge in a pear tree.
Any easy but devastating mistake to make.
I've noticed recently that I prefer heavy flatware, and once I feel the delicious weight of a heaver ware I can't go back to a lighter ware. I suppose there must be a limit on how heavy I could go, but I think it would be quite high.
I will accept that it is your favorite burger, and it certainly looks like a very nice one, but, as any true connoyseer knows, the best burger can only be the one you're eating now. While I was eating the burger with avocado on a bulkie in picture, rest assured it was the best burger in the world.
Quoting Bitter Crank
As a civil engineer, I submit this photo of a concrete hamburger bun.
What do they do with the uncivil engineers?
I can agree with that. The Martin's potato roll is, of course, the best burger bun.
Rogers Brothers Oval Thread has a very nice heft. See the fork and spoon on the left below. The spoon on the right is the solid silver one that my parents had made when I was born, or, as I like to call it, the silver spoon I was born with in my mouth. If I had the money, I would buy sterling rather than silver plate. Alas.
Pay them more.
Hoity toity, fancy schmancy, namby pamby people like you and @Bitter Crank can use sliced avocado if you'd rather.
The 1982 film, Koyaanisqatsi Life out of Balance Glass's score to amplify the alienation of industrialized urban life.
The tanks behind the sun bathers in the opening of this segment look like the digestion tanks in sewage treatment works. (@Clarky civil engineer)
Yes. This is the Deer Island plant in Boston. It cost about $4 billion. Thank you very much American taxpayers. Engineers like the type of digesters used here and in your photo because you can use real egg shells when you make models.
:love:
Great new word. Thank you. I will use it often.
Looks like the guy in the lower left is calling in le Garde Nationale.
What does this mean?
So... Don't keep us waiting... Is he?
He's solid.
Spectroscopy. That's typically how I do it.
How many did you kill?
After I type out a reply to someone and decide not to post it, stays up each time I come back to the thread. How do I permanently delete it?
Somewhere under your profile there’s a link for drafts.
As I mentioned, I am reading a translation of the "Night Watch" books by Sergei Lukyanenko. In the story, it says that Russians all watch "A Twist of Fate" on New Years eve. Is that true? It sounds like how everyone here watches "It's a Wonderful Life" at Christmas time.
It's normally translated as The Irony of Fate. I'm not a big fan. There are many better Soviet romantic comedies.
Ok, thanks both!
Depends on who in the room you'd ask. :D
Testing my new Google Pixel 6 camera.
What a beautiful phone so far and also 5G is very very fast.
Oh they're cool AF.
They slap.
They slam.
Who are you talking to mate?
Interesting.
Because that was never the case. It's always been as it is now.
Mate are you thinking of the old PF? It was as you described. None of us are "new"; we were all there, love.
Fuck you got me! I was trying to pretend I had been a member of the old forum, but you outed me! I'm so dumb. "Some older person" told me about the old forum and now I'm dead to rights here on the new forum. Nice work!
Check-um
Oh really? I'm starved for wisdom; do you have any recos on brains to pick?
I'm just exhausted and in need of the brains of wise old men who I can indiscriminately pillage for wisdom.
Did so; no luck as usual. Any other advise? You seem to be brimming with it.
The spelling obviously. Next!
Quoting Varde
Does that mean you're about to explode? Explode in what way? Emotionally? Physically? Mentally? I'm fraying at the bits...
Quoting Varde
Ah, such a classic era, yet fraught with so much strife...like our era...ah....
Quoting Varde
Back then Philosophy was essentially the same thing as sex. There was a drive, there was a driver, and there was a finish line. Nowadays...sheesh.
Quoting Varde
Unfortunately you've lost me here. I was so exuberant, so hopeful. All this time. And all this time. I'm truly at a loss. I don't know what to do or say.
I to ask that you critique the above, the thing badly that I responded?
Nothing. Everything is a goat.
You're new, you wouldn't get it. It's an old-timers in-joke.
Here is my favorite meme.
Maybe I'll write a short story about a guy who falls in love under the influence of a migraine only to emerge and realize he's made a terrible mistake once the aura and confusion dissipates. He then spends the rest of his life eating strange foods, staring at the sun, and depriving himself of sleep in the hope of recreating the migraine so that he can feel that love again.
It's a cookie cutter chasing the elusive high/coming of age story in a neurological setting that most of us grew up on.
Woo, it big. Perhaps I'm very small. Insignificant.
And then it hit me...
The stars are not there, the planet is simulated as of contact, and I'm the only person here. Would explain the maleficent oval that is, the universe, reminding me of an error. However, you are here too, except much smaller, from a much bigger universe, at least, in some way, looking down upon me. Great engineering is the universe of which the creator of my dream come from and your dreams(plural) but the engineering of this universe is pretty much on my side of things. I might consider it capable of an act of war, there may be a third party influence whether moral or financial, which wouldn't go far, and seethes off of my role in the game.
Or inside.
But enough of the jokes, it's time to move on, back to posting on TPF.
I bought some imported Japanese soy sauce. It smells like a barleywine beer, but just tastes like soy sauce. I was relieved. Unfortunately the stir fry I made with it was kinda lame. That’s all I got, sorry.
Thanks. That's just what I needed.
Quoting Noble Dust
I'll ask my son, the beer expert, to bring me some barleywine beer to taste.
I would advise against that.
What is wrong with barley wine?
Have you had one?
Dinner was grilled eggplant with tvorog on top. The tvorog was mixed with chopped garlic and dill. Tvorog is similar to quark. Quark is similar to cottage cheese.
Used to make it in my brewery.
Cool. A beer style that is not for me.
A single, lonely egg?
What do you prefer? IPA?
Yeah, there was only one in the nest.
Are you allergic to taste?
I don't really drink beer anymore, but preferably a German Pilsner. I work in wine.
I see.
Isn't shakshuka characterized by the use of tomato more than anything else? I could be confused. Tvorog sounds like my jam.
Honestly not sure if I've ever actually had Huevos Rancheros. My humiliation is complete.
Tvorog sounds like an orc general from Lord of the Rings.
It sounds like an orc general from a bad Lord of the Rings spinoff written by Harvey Weinstein.
Don't exaggerate. You have a whole life of continued humiliation to look forward to.
It is deeply appreciated.
That depends on if I can grow that new liver.
Or as Robert Frost wrote - It's given my heart a change in mood and saved some part of a day I had rued.
Harvey has major orc energy.
Uruk-hai energy, even.
Actually nah, just orc energy.
:lol:
Gothmog=Tvorog=Weinstein.
Everything is suddenly clear. :eyes:
Holy shit we're geniuses.
On :fire: :lol:
@Noble Dust Correction: looks like huevos rancheros isn't necessarily exactly what I thought. Seems it's often just fried eggs with a salsa topping, rather than poached like shakshuka.
Shakshuka, btw, is queen of the cave trolls.
Vindication. I think I've avoided the dish because I'm weird about what my eggs are paired with. I'm sure it's delicious, but it's not really on my short list of dishes to try.
Quoting Jamal
Is that from Game of Thrones?
I was also sceptical, because I don't like tomatoes with eggs. But when it's a sauce its different.
The ball is in your court.
Strangely what I don't like is salsa with eggs. I had a bad experience in which my local bodega gave me the wrong sandwich and some heathen had ordered scrambled eggs with pico de gaillo and nothing else. I was starving and hung over so I ate it and was immediately sick.
Eggs are so wonderful all by themselves, why screw with them - fried, poached, soft-boiled, hard-boiled, scrambled, baked, coddled, shirred. No need to be fancy. I must admit I go for an omelet from time to time and my wife makes great devilled eggs.
I'm just finicky about eggs in general, but my favorite breakfast dish is easily Eggs Benedict. Which of course goes against the concept of keeping it simple, but...
As that great philosopher T Clark, for whom I was named, said - A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little short order cooks.
I'll keep that in mind next time I order eggs benny.
The only thing racist about your recipe is that you use cheddar. Use queso fresco and calling it Mexican Breakfast is fine.
Queso fresco is mucho blando. :down:
Racism vs. bland breakfast. It's up to you to decide.
Racism is poorly drawn out, every man of color should be provided for as much as every other man.
There's no love to it, it's a matter of self respect.
However, you shouldn't bunch them in to movies- it's to blatent/thus unprofessional.
And they should be able to take a joke. No man should be going home under attack from his own skin, lest he lost a war- then it's acceptable- it's himself to blame.
Racism can be measured as consistent torture with a petty weapon(using a fairground blow up hammer and constantly hitting someone plus hate).
That is unlawful by sentient standards, you don't repeat the same thing to anyone, unless they deserve it.
Don't worry racists of this calibre will be punished. I consider myself licenced to be racist, and so ought you(a metaphor/analogy intending to symbolise how race is like family, and thus there is a thing like parenthood and a thing like father/mother).
A question about Russian names.
In these books I am reading there is a girl. She starts out a baby and has grown to be 15 years old. She is called by so many names - Nadenka, Nadya, Nadiushka, Nadeshda, Nadishda, Nadyusha, Nadyenka, Nadienka, Nadius.
What's up with that? I think Nadya is her main name. I'm assuming the rest are nicknames or terms of affection. The same is true of some of the other characters, but she has the most.
Most Russian given names have more than one diminutive. Dmitriy becomes Mitya or Dima, Vladimir becomes Valodya, Vova, etc.
Thanks. Actually, I like it. It seems more intimate than just one name.
An authentic Russian just confirmed this is true. They do have some terms of endearment but mostly use diminutive names instead.