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The belief is made up of two distinct things, the private nature of the mind state, coupled with the public acts. The belief is not private, without t...

Yes, a belief as reflected in one's actions, apart from any linguistic response. They exist, as any belief does, as a state-of-mind, but the belief pr...

Thanks Banno, I enjoy it too.

You're going wrong by isolating this statement apart from my other statements, that point to actions that reflect these beliefs.

Whether it's irrelevant depends on many factors. I'm not saying that it's relevant to Wittgenstein's ideas, even though there is overlap. I'm talking ...

Banno you are the master when it comes to giving the shortest possible responses to complex questions. roflol

Are you saying that Wittgenstein thought that the mind was somehow empty, that nothing is going on in the mind as we express a belief? And yes he did ...

Obviously there is language, and as such they are stateable, but this misses my point.

Wittgenstein never denied that there was something private going on in the mind, he believed that it was much more though, the actions reflect the bel...

I'll respond to this first. What I mean by unstateable is that there is no linguistic forum to state the belief. It's certainly possible that no langu...

Even Wittgenstein held to the idea that beliefs can be nonlinguistic, as in my earlier post in which I quoted him. Remember the belief is not dependen...

An unstateable belief is nonsense, are you sure about that? Prior to language there were plenty of beliefs that were unstateable. One needs language t...

This is not a quibble. It goes to the heart of what I am saying. And I do hold to the definition of knowledge, that it is justified true belief.

I do believe, that beliefs acquired by humans and animals are all states-of-mind, and also this is how I intend to make use of the word belief through...

"And the concept of knowing is coupled with that of the language-game (OC 560)." This is something important, and it is something that is crucial to u...

There is much here to respond to, but I'll only point out some things that I did not say. First, I did not say that animals reason, but of course I'm ...

I understand that speech is different from the written works of individuals. My point is that it's important to understand what someone is trying to c...

What's special about philosophy for me is the unlimited potential for thought. It's much broader than any one field because it goes beyond any one fie...

Wow, I guess we're much further apart than I realized. To me Tillich's thinking is a muddled mess. However, to be fair, I've not studied him in depth,...

What about when a speaker is before a large audience? Besides certain written texts are directed at certain people. This is a joke right, this thread ...

Both, of course!

Timeline, you still exist, amazing.

Suppose we applied this idea to our everyday speech. It doesn't matter what you meant, only how I interpret it. This a bit strange to me.

By definition, i.e., that they're separate necessarily means they're experiences are not the exactly the same. Even if it were possible to put you in ...

I agree with you in terms of the tradition, and that there are many facts that present themselves as part of that tradition, but, and I assume since y...

As I read through much of what's said in this thread, I find that one of the problems, if not much of the problem has to do with how knowledge is acqu...

The problem for me Wayfarer, as someone who argued for years about the evidence in support of the Judeo-Christian tradition, is that although there is...

I agree with the other comments, viz., that the above quoted statement is false. There is nothing that precludes the possibility of an infinite regres...

I see what you mean. :-O

Ya, you really have to be challenged if you're to progress. There are a few people, a handful, in here that can challenge you, unless your so intellec...

Ya, I think philosophy, when it's taught well, is valuable whatever field one chooses.

You mean there are really people who think this is not the case? I find that amazing.

I'm glad you explained what objective means, otherwise, I may have not understood. Of course objective means mind-independent, and of course anyone ca...

I'm not so sure that justice is an essential property of moral acts. Moreover, I would disagree that justice is a matter of convention (conventionalit...

Did you read the second paragraph? It explains why it's objective, and gives examples.

I explained that in the post.

I make an argument about objective morality in this thread starting on p. 2 (https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/2297/if-objective-morality-exis...

So if I understand you correctly, there are no objective inherent reasons why murder is always immoral, other than what a society dictates?

Yes, I believe it is the backbone of philosophy, but knowledge can be gained apart from using just logic. I say argument is the backbone because one o...

I didn't say that was all there was to philosophy, but that it's a very important part of philosophy.

It seems to be a core feature of being self-conscious that one is aware or illuminated, so to speak, but that doesn't mean there aren't negative aspec...

(Although in practice, and on Forums, what metaphysics usually does is result in interminable and irresolvable debate.) You will always have endless d...

But isn't something intrinsically valuable because it's not tied to anything else, like needs or desires. Needs though would be better connected than ...

I agree, our desires may align with the intrinsic worth of a thing, but desire is not what gives something value. If that were the case my desire to m...

Well, we can desire things that have both intrinsic value and extrinsic value. Much of what we desire has some value whether real or perceived.

Pleasure is something that is valued by humans, and there is an objectivity to the pleasure, so others can see it and participate in it. For example, ...

Well, the way I see it is as follows: It's not a matter of what I think or believe that makes something intrinsically valuable - if that were the case...

Yes, many things that have intrinsic value have extrinsic value also. Paper money has extrinsic value, but very little, if any, intrinsic value.

The pleasure you get from wine or other things has intrinsic value. It's your experience regardless of where it come from.

Knowledge, love, persons, virtue, are other examples of things that have intrinsic value.