Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff My tree fell down, and I suspect the cat, although it could have been the dog as well. If the cat, she was climbing it. If the dog, he was eating it. My failure to keep it properly watered paid off so that I didn't have a puddle on the floor. I did have a bunch of pine needles go everywhere. So that it wouldn't fall again, I tied some yellow wire I found in the garage around the middle of the trunk, led the wire out the window next to it, shut the window, and tied the wire to the table outside. I think the tree is secure, although it leans precariously due to the tight wire. Half the lights broke from the fall. The tree is 12 feet tall. I could have gotten the 14 foot tree and the sales pitch was enticing ("Dude, go big or go home!"), but $350 for a massive tree that would have required me to rearrange my house wasn't worth it. I mean it might have been worth it, but I didn't feel like doing it. Actually I regret not having bought it.
Thanks for the Hanukah wishes by the way. I guess being Jewish is not a big deal. It's all about Christmas anyway. I'll just water the tree with tears. That should keep it alive.
There was a young lady from Kew
Who said, as the bishop withdrew
Oh, the Vicar is quicker
And thicker and slicker
And four inches longer than you
My favorite game:
There once was a young lady from Shmangina
Whose mother just came from Carolina
Her father barged in
stinking of gin
While his dog ate off her fine china.
Today is Saint Lucy's feast day -- she also goes by Santa Lucia. She's a really weird saint for very contemporary times. She was very touchy about unwanted, unconsented attention from men. Some guy admired her eyes. He thought they were beautiful. In order to discourage future assaults of that kind, she gouged her eyes out. She is sometimes depicted as a blind woman holding a tray with her eyeballs. Somebody else admired her hair, so she set that on fire -- hence the candles in the crown business that Swedish girls are subjected to, against their will, of course. and so on.
Gustavus Adolphus College in MN, a Swedish Lutheran college, does the whole Santa Lucia business--burning hair, gouged out eyeballs, lopped off breasts, etc.
By the time she was martyred in the 3rd century, there wasn't much left for the lions to eat.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 13, 2017 at 23:58#1334940 likes
@Hanover
Happy Hanukah! I hope the celebration of lights goes better than the Christmas tree did. Is your homeowners insurance policy up to date? Those candles are way more dangerous for your pet to eat but if they do consume them AND they are glow in the dark candles, you are in luck! Pets that eat glow in the dark wax make their potty piles easier to find in the Atlanta snow! I have decided this year, although a day late as I was up to my elbows in cookie dough, to celebrate the Jewish tradition of lighting candles, one for each night. Tonight I have chosen a Capri Blue that has a Wisp of Mediterranean air at night. It is a beautiful tradition. Now, what does it mean? Other than you are really prepared for the power to go out on that exact week of each year?
As far as the gifts, if you get one gift for seven nights, do they all have to be WOW presents?
Does a pack of Crayons count?
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 13, 2017 at 23:59#1334950 likes
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 15, 2017 at 01:34#1337460 likes
Two bowls of butter on the table. One is Roasted Garlic infused and the other is plain butter. Based upon which butter your guests use will indicate who is a married couple and who is just dating.
I LOVE GARLIC!!! (L)
Chickadees are pretty sweet. They're one of the first birds to arrive for spring, so when they show up you know that spring is just around the corner. Plus they say "chika-dee-dee-dee-dee". So they're pretty much parrots too.
Birds are also great for teaching kids the alphabet as well as the basic interpersonal skills necessary to navigate our modern multicultural environments.
Reply to jamalrob
I've actually lost my old profile pic now so I may be stuck teaching the alphabet and basic interpersonal skills forever. Hope those skills will be appreciated here.
Reply to jamalrob Yeah, those swarms are fairly mesmerizing. Ever see those birds that look like they have a broken wing and you could catch them? Don't fall for it, they're faking!
Oh, well, I'm working on it. Think of me like Thanos, everyone else are like in possession of individual infinity stones, but I gotta catch 'em all. Working on the fourth. Still gots three to go after that.
Damn good photo. So good, that I called it a photo, rather than a picture, that's just how classy. I'm even more impressed if you really know the stork of sorts.
Noble DustDecember 15, 2017 at 17:56#1339470 likes
Reply to Noble Dust Ah, that explains it. True birding skills don't flower until one's mid-thirties. Although I was precocious: my glory years were in my late twenties.
I wouldn't have even known it was a bird if I didn't look it up though. Should have known, the goats have gone ninja, the cats are passe, now the bird is the word.
Noble DustDecember 15, 2017 at 18:18#1339740 likes
You aren't allowed to be like that after having told me that a crane is a stork. What if I'd have repeated it, and then looked silly? Did you think of that when you were unintentionally mistaken?
Yes, mis-identifying bird species is a pretty egregious social fopaw regardless of race or creed. I never told you to follow my lead; the best you can do is learn from my mistakes, buy a field guide, and shadow Reply to Baden in the field sometime soon. Don't worry, there aren't that many different herons.
My degree thesis was on herons. So, expert but not enthusiast(ic).
I grrew up in front of a lake. My bedroom would be like, 5 feet away from the beach. During the summer, late at night, there was a an enormous heron who would come and fish right in front of our place, in about 2 feet of water or less. With us being something like 20-30 feet away from it.
I don't know much about herons, like life expectancy, but I saw one coming from the age of what, 6-7 to until I was 15-16. I assumed it was the same. Always walking around slowly without making a sound, giving perfect sword strikes with it's beak. It didn't move like anything else living, but like what back then I taught dinosaurs who move like back then. It was one of the most surreal moment of my childhood.
Noble DustDecember 15, 2017 at 18:37#1339890 likes
True dat. No one knows what to believe... oh I'm salivating. Never let it be a "who'. Dirty fucking whos.
AkanthinosDecember 15, 2017 at 18:46#1339930 likes
Ok, then you really need to do something about your first names.
"Steves"? "Josh"? "Kyle"? "Erin"???
When your name is one letter away from being a venerial disease or a cheap fish... :-}
There is one thing I will always be a chauvinistic pig about, but French traditionnal names sounds a billion times better than just about anything else. :P
Noble DustDecember 15, 2017 at 18:50#1339940 likes
Yan is the Jewish form of Jean.
Tierry is properly spelled Thierry. Not the greatest, but still miles ahead of 'Steves'.
Guy is german.
Marcel means 'Dedicated to the god of War'. That's fucking badass.
Noble DustDecember 15, 2017 at 19:21#1340060 likes
There is one thing I will always be a chauvinistic pig about, but French traditionnal names sounds a billion times better than just about anything else.
I met a Seamus the other day. There's a great name.
Noble DustDecember 15, 2017 at 22:49#1340540 likes
Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss, and when.
Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.
Remember The Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you -
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
Take heart in the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.
You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!
Noble DustDecember 16, 2017 at 08:26#1341200 likes
You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!
I like this, especially the last sentence. Reminds me of a Veronica Wants to Die reasoning. Better yet, a Mash episode where the now paraplegic patient is crying his wears about wanting to die till one of the surgeons—I forget who—starts strangling the guy on his patient’s cot … When the guy violently fight’s back as best he can against being killed, the surgeon than states the obvious: “looks like you don’t want to die after all”.
So, with the holiday season in mind, a merry “Give up!” on my part to one and all—however it may apply in the particular.
I like this, especially the last sentence. Reminds me of a Veronica Wants to Die reasoning. Better yet, a Mash episode where the now paraplegic patient is crying his wears about wanting to die till one of the surgeons—I forget who—starts strangling the guy on his patient’s cot … When the guy violently fight’s back as best he can against being killed, the surgeon than states the obvious: “looks like you don’t want to die after all”.
To each their own. The attitude, or personality of that sort of thing to me feels...like a resignation. It feels like an attempt to cover up frustration and failure in life with something that's clever, which assuages the wound. Not quite cynical, which is actually worse than full-on cynical. But I'm a young whipper-snapper, so I could be wrong.
Given the chance to go back and do something differently, I would change nothing. Firstly, because I am arrogant. But secondly, and more importantly, because I am always right.
The attitude, or personality of that sort of thing to me feels...like a resignation. It feels like an attempt to cover up frustration and failure in life with something that's clever, which assuages the wound.
A backgrounder...
The National Lampoon grew out of the Harvard Lampoon, which was put out by Harvard students being irreverent. The spin off into the National Lampoon didn't last very long, and better production values didn't really help it. Deteriorata is a satire of Desiderata, a 1952 poem by Max Ehrmann with stanzas like
Max Ehrmann:You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
It became very popular, and was the sort of thing that was put on plaques and given to youth for their edification. It has a lot of these positive sounding non-inferential statements that influenced sappy hippy philosophy a few years later.
Sometimes the satire ruins the original:
Joyce Kilmer's several stanza poem
I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree
Was satirized by Ogden Nash as
Ogden Nash:I think that I shall never see
a billboard lovely as a tree.
Indeed, unless these billboards fall,
I shall never see a tree at all.
Some of us are perversely driven to twist a nice sentimental poem about trees into something sarcastic. Nice sentimental people often find this practice unpleasant.
Cool; it's a creative misreading. And that seems to be pretty much what it's all about. I was being purposely somewhat obscure or allusive there, but your interpretation came as a fresh surprise. 8-)
Noble DustDecember 18, 2017 at 07:32#1346620 likes
And that seems to be pretty much what it's all about. I was being purposely somewhat obscure or allusive there, but your interpretation came as a fresh surprise.
The beauty of language. 8-)
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 18, 2017 at 12:47#1347010 likes
If anything stood still long enough on the ranch this weekend, it got decorated!
Deleted UserDecember 18, 2017 at 14:03#1347190 likes
No one has picked an eagle for avatar picture yet. Wonder why...
I am so ready for Christmas to just get over with.
Reply to Bitter Crank I determined once that the word with the most consecutive "e"s is treeeeest (tree-ee-est) (meaning to have the most trees), which would be used, for example, in the following sentence: This is treeeeest forest I've ever solicited sex in.
Was the Pied Piper of Hamelin pedophile propaganda? Shouldn't that tale be banned? Rattenfängers luring children to unknown fates is surely subversive at best. Stop the Abuse!!!) Apparently he is a bisexual pedophile.
I determined once that the word with the most consecutive "e"s is treeeeest (tree-ee-est) (meaning to have the most trees), which would be used, for example, in the following sentence: This is treeeeest forest I've ever solicited sex in.
I pondered this fateful, stormy afternoon in the dusty humidity as the impending rain not yet ready to burst out of the dark clouds that pirouetted above me whether there was a word, indeed just one, that you could not turn into something venereal.
We call our yams sweet potatoes where I'm from. That is also what we call our women, at least I do. Well, I've now done it once, and I think the term ought to stick.
So, I'm eating this sweet potato, covered from top to bottom in butter. It's squirming all over the place. I can't keep it steady, so I jam a fork straight through the center of it to hold it down. It opens up, its insides gushing all about. It's too much for me, with all its bouncing about, and so I put my bare hands on it, coating them with butter and the insides of the sweet potato, and hold my hands forcefully on it, finally being able to consume it until I'm sure its done.
The beauty of art is that you don't know if you're experiencing a sex scene, a horrendous murder, the consumption of a yam, or a combination of all three.
Reply to Benkei When I was in Iceland, the food was really expensive, but they had this place where they served an all you can eat traditional Icelandic lamb stew. I had like 6 bowls, which I'm sure pissed someone off (but all you can eat is all you can eat I say), and I was sick as a dog from eating so much.
Anyway, the stew had rutabagas, cabbage, carrots and some other things. It was really good. I've made it a few times. It is lovely. The only thing that would make it more lovely would be to eat it with a sweet potato mash and share it with you. Yes, just you and me. Lovely.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 19, 2017 at 20:27#1352390 likes
There is this Bohemian restaurant in Riverside, Chicago that is mind blowing. It is a trip back in time to the days of Pork Tenderlon with dumplings and gravy, served after a cup of Liver Dumpling soup or salad which is lettuce in a bowl. Served with bread butter, Sauer kraut, sliced beets and pickles. Dessert is Apricot or Raspberry Kolackey pastry or Poppy seed bread. Omggggggg one serving of the tenderloin and dumpings keep you full for days and the leftovers are amazing.
Going to have to go home soon (L)
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiffSounds Polish to me. Sometimes I use Kielbasa instead of Andouille in jambalaya because it's not as spicy, so that's sort of a Polish Cajun, kind of a Polish/French/Southern fusion.
Reply to MichaelI wonder what happens if a tie. Maybe nobody would win and they'd just go with one less seat, either that or maybe they'd share a seat and have to sit on each other's lap. If I were in charge, I'd make them go 2 full years or however long their terms are sitting on each other's laps. I mean it's not like the Virginia legislature does anything so important that they can't share seats.
Reply to T Clark Go to the old post, click "Share" to get the link, and copy and paste it into the new post.
Or you could quote the old post and copy and paste the text that appears in the text box into the new post. These quotes automatically have links back to the posts they're from.
By the way, the draft of your new post will have been saved so it'll still be there when you return.
No, not yet and indeed not for a while as the summer fruits of Australia' loins are bursting at the moment and together with the impending Christmas festivities, many have requested a desire to taste my cherry pie recipe. The idea of popping open the glorious pie lid and savouring the delicious wonders within is something that leaves me both terrified and excited at the same time, perhaps because I am critical of my cooking, perhaps a lack of self-esteem and the fear of rejection, who knows. All I know is that right now, sweet potato is not on the menu.
Neither is cherry pie, actually. I don't celebrate Christmas. There needs to be someone you love for it to really be a celebration. Did you see how I went full circle there?
I prefer to get together a number of sweet potatos, grab ahold of them one-by-one, peel their skin off with a sharp knife, boil them all until tender but firm, reduce them to a pulpy mass by crushing them with a suitable instrument, mix in some milk and butter at some point along the way, then eat them.
Sometimes I let my little nephew help me.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 20, 2017 at 13:04#1354660 likes
Sounds Polish to me. Sometimes I use Kielbasa instead of Andouille in jambalaya because it's not as spicy, so that's sort of a Polish Cajun, kind of a Polish/French/Southern fusion.
No offence because I love Polish food and Polish people but Riverside is a Czech/Bohemian Restaurant. When I was young, my Grand Parents would "Sponsor" ladies from Poland to come over to the USA and help out with the in home care of my Great Grandparents. They were some of the strongest women I have ever encountered that still wore a dress. They would lean down and pick me up like I was a doll and I remember the speed in which they spoke and looking down to this worn, round face with teeth gilded in Silver and wondering if I was safe. At the same time, these same women would sit around the kitchen table and crochet the most delicate of doilies for my Granny. I still have two of those doilies and I treasure them, in a plastic bag to keep them safe, in the drawer. ;) I guess I am just not a 'doilies' kind of person. They were the most amazing cooks! I learned a lot of my cooking skills from my Granny who I know learned from the Polish ladies.
StreetlightDecember 20, 2017 at 13:15#1354690 likes
No, not yet and indeed not for a while as the summer fruits of Australia' loins are bursting at the moment and together with the impending Christmas festivities, many have requested a desire to taste my cherry pie recipe. The idea of popping open the glorious pie lid and savouring the delicious wonders within is something that leaves me both terrified and excited at the same time, perhaps because I am critical of my cooking, perhaps a lack of self-esteem and the fear of rejection, who knows. All I know is that right now, sweet potato is not on the menu.
Neither is cherry pie, actually. I don't celebrate Christmas. There needs to be someone you love for it to really be a celebration. Did you see how I went full circle there?
Reply to TimeLine I assure you that regardless of how adept or a not a cook you are, your cherry pie recipe will be very much appreciated and enjoyed. It's not that some don't make a better cherry pie, but that sticky sweet goodness is nearly impossible to ruin, and even when the effort is uninspired it's most typically still delicious. Because of that, your fears of rejection and lack of self-esteem shouldn't limit you, but what should be your concern is that your celebrants are attending not for the spirit of the season or for joining together in sincere communion, but are instead only attending so that they can enjoy the cherry pie for dessert.
As to your final comment that you don't celebrate Christmas, I recognize that it's difficult to join in celebration with those who don't share your deepest beliefs, as there's something admittedly debasing in engaging in a sacred act with a non-believer. That is, if you consider the manger to house the son of God but your visitor considers it a simple barnyard display, perhaps you've invited the wrong guest.
And to bring this full circle, I do wonder whether all this analysis of cherry pie is worth it because, after all, it's just cherry pie. I just wonder if any cherry pie, even the finest ever considered, can live up to the expectation. I mean, Jesus fucking Christ, we are just talking about cherry pie.
No offence because I love Polish food and Polish people but Riverside is a Czech/Bohemian Restaurant. When I was young, my Grand Parents would "Sponsor" ladies from Poland to come over to the USA and help out with the in home care of my Great Grandparents.
So you're telling me that you really love Polish sausage? That's what I took from this story, despite the distracting details you provided about your childhood.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 20, 2017 at 13:59#1354820 likes
Reply to Hanover I LOVE a good Polish Sausage! Who doesn't? Just no Sauer Kraut please.
When I was in Bavaria, I enjoyed me many a sausage, less so while in Prague, and I never made it over to Poland, where I'm sure the sausage culture was thriving. As you venture north, particularly Scandinavia, there are many unusual fish dishes, with much less emphasis on sausage, likely because they just have less meat, although I cannot vouch for that because I didn't specifically take a look see.
It being 2017, I would suspect you'd even find a fish sausage somewhere, although it is hard to understand how something might be born a fish and end up a sausage.
Sausage goes quite well with sweet potato, or so some would say. Others might prefer sausage with sausage
And by "sausage" do you mean penis and by "sweet potato" do you mean hole bored into the back of someone's skull? You're sick. Really fucking sick. Where do people like you come from?
Reply to TimeLine I know it was rather shocking that Sapientia would imply such a thing. I would have shielded your ears from it, but it was written and you'd have read it anyway.
A court has now declared a tie in a Virginia House election that one day earlier appeared to have gone to a Democrat by a single vote.
A three-judge panel certified the 94th District in Newport News as tied at 11,608 to 11,608 on Wednesday, a day after a dramatic recount appeared to give Democrat Shelly Simonds the victory over Republican Delegate David Yancey.
Yancey successfully challenged an uncounted ballot he said should have been included in his total.
By state law, the winner of the tie will be determined "by lot." It was not immediately clear how or when that would take place.
Reply to Michael I know, but you stripped the good Queen of all her power, so that now she's just a face for the tabloids like Paris Hilton, just not quite as interesting.
And whatever happened to Paris Hilton. I do miss her. Can't she at least go make out with Lindsey Lohan and Miley Cyrus at a nightclub just before getting arrested for drunk driving with cocaine in her purse that she insists isn't hers?
And whatever happened to Paris Hilton. I do miss her. Can't she at least go make out with Lindsey Lohan and Miley Cyrus at a nightclub just before getting arrested for drunk driving with cocaine in her purse that she insists isn't hers?
Geez... TimeLine is always hating on the Kardashians and now you're picking on Paris. You people.
And whatever happened to Paris Hilton. I do miss her. Can't she at least go make out with Lindsey Lohan and Miley Cyrus at a nightclub just before getting arrested for drunk driving with cocaine in her purse that she insists isn't hers?
It's all the rage; get in on it while you can. Maybe a red-tailed hawk for you? I could see you as a hawk. A natural predator to the dove, like our friend Reply to Agustino
Someone stole her, I'm sure of it. We found her collar on the porch.
Lordohlord, all those wires resting directly on your mattress and sheets.
I'm triggered. Triggered I say.
Also, best of all hopes finding your cat.
People fucking sucks. One of my friend got their dog poisoned and killed by some random dude giving treats around the dog playground.
Gave my cat her Christmas presents yesterday, that's a terrible thing to do, particularly this close to Christmas, if she was stolen. Hopefully not, and she turns up.
Nope, I've had a bird avatar since 2010. I always knew that it was only matter of time before the rest of the flock followed suit.
A group of owls is called a parliament.
A group of lizards is called a lounge.
A group of sweet potatoes is called a brothel.
A group of Badens is called the sexiest sassiest party ever!
In case I forget, I wanted to go ahead and wish everyone a bad Christmas. I hope it's filled with anxiety and awkward interactions, perhaps a significant conflict with a family member, remorse, regret, self-medicated drunkenness, early morning nausea, pervasive, vague and unidentifiable melancholy, impenetrable sadness, an artificial joy represented by a superficial and unconvincing smile, an awkward and painful gait, general hopelessness motivated by overwhelming past failures, a despair that makes swallowing difficult and causes periodic gasping, a loss of libido, appetite, and a fatigue unrelieved by sleep.
Reply to Posty McPostface Looks like it's Horner's Syndrome, based on the expert that is Google. Aside from the eye, he seems fine. Unfortunately it's 11:00pm and I don't drive, so getting him to the vet is going to be difficult (and expensive).
I just figured it out - hey TimeLine, it's Kardashians not Cardassians. No wonder you're so confused.
The Cardassians are a reptilian, purpley/bluish in hue, selfish and evil species that joined forces with the Dominion (the creepy, gooey non-people, people looking things that live in a lake and got sick towards the end of DS9 and started peeling) and did some pretty atrocious things to the Bajorans. Yes, I watched DS9 and it was hard, but not as hard as Discovery with that Michael Burnham and her damned annoying quizzical facial expression and the stupid Klingons that don't actually look like Klingons but look like Orcs. It's fucking Star Trek. Vulcans are not Elfs. The Ferengi are not Hobbits. What the fuck?
I am not sure what species the Kardashians are though.
My cat's just come in and his eye is all fucked up. :s
Someone has got himself a girlfriend. And competition for her wares.
My cat started disappearing any time a female with five blocks was in heat, nearly always came back worse for ware. Nowadays he does not even want to come into the house, he just sits out by the gate and waits for someone to take him some food.
Noble DustDecember 22, 2017 at 06:55#1361140 likes
I was a fan of the original Star Trek and New Generation. I watched all the others a bit, but never was pulled in. At work, when people would ask me what I wanted them to do next, I sometimes made them rephrase the question so I could answer "Make it so."
Looking back, the original was pretty craptacular, although I still have fond memories of watching it on Saturday nights. One weekend when I was 16, I was alone in my house and I decided to get drunk for the first time. I went to my father's liquor cabinet and poured myself three shots of three different liquors and drank them all down at once. Then I went down to the basement and watched Star Trek. After about 10 minutes, I got impatient that nothing seemed to be happening, so I drank three more, then went back to watching. I don't remember how the episode ended, but I do remember waking up the next morning in bed with puke all over the bed and walls and a very upset stomach.
Reply to Wosret Google was right. Was Horner's syndrome. Vet doesn't know what caused it but says it might get better on its own. Just gotta keep an eye on him.
Reply to Sir2u My cat was the same. I refused to feed him outside so now he's forced to come in for food. He sleeps inside during the winter, but come summer he'll disappear for days on end again.
Looking back, the original was pretty craptacular, although I still have fond memories of watching it on Saturday nights.
How dare you.
TOS and TNG are both awesome and they differ entirely from the others precisely because of the relationships. Roddenberry understood people and he had that vision of a utopia where solidarity transcended race and gender. The universe was there as an aide for this bigger picture. TOS had Kirk, Ahura, Bones, Spock and their differences worked perfectly, the relationships were strong and believable that when you watch them, you are a part of that relationship. Same with TNG with Picard, Worf, Data, Deanna etc. You probably did not take the time to get to know them. You were too busy being weird.
Reply to Michael I hate cat owners like you. Keep your cat domesticated rather than roaming into my garden and crapping some straight-up poisonous poop all over my veggie patch.
Classier and on demand. If you have ever ridden in a "taxi" in a large USA city like Chicago or New York, you would be Ubering in a heart beat. The standards for an Uber car are much higher than those "Taxi's" that pay for a placard to operate.
Reply to Agustino I use vegetable compost anyway, but there is a higher risk of contamination due to parasites like toxoplasmosis and it also contains much higher amounts of nitrogen and other elements that destroy the Ph balance. It is a risk to me and my plants. When it is non-vegetable plants like flowers or whatever, it probably doesn't really matter.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 22, 2017 at 11:22#1361860 likes
Reply to Michael Different in that it's quicker and cheaper because anyone with a car can sign up. You type in the app where you want to go, it gives you the price, how long it will take for the car to get there, and it charges your card. It then teleports you. I forgot to mention that. Also, while being teleported, an Avatar looking creature plays with your junk. You can impregnate it if you'd like for an upcharge.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 22, 2017 at 11:39#1361910 likes
I have been fascinated with 3D printing since the old place and my youngest Indian got one for Christmas. Woo Hoo! Umm but then I realized that this new "printer" is like one long math problem, solved. :-O Now Incision knew I wanted one soooo bad and he also knows my repulsion of Math and never once mentioned the correlation between the two. >>Time to hunt down Incision....
On the fun side, watching this thing is pretty amazing. He printed a Pyramid of that looks like it is made up of an infinite number of Triangles, flippin amazing.
Reply to Michael Fair deuce. You're a slashie, like me. You're a dog slash cat owner. I don't own a cat, but housemate does and he stays inside, because we know how to take care of cats.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 22, 2017 at 11:54#1361980 likes
UberX Car Requirements :
•4-door sedan, must seat 4 or more passengers excluding the driver.
•Year 2001 or newer*
•* Uber car year requirements vary by city. ...
•In-state car insurance.
•In-state plates.
•Current car registration.
•No marked, taxi, or salvaged vehicles.
•Pass the Uber vehicle inspection.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 22, 2017 at 11:56#1361990 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Why do you people insist on tormenting poor Baden. Can you not see that he is sensitive, delicate, like the petals of a begonia? Let him blossom. Let him bloom.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 22, 2017 at 12:11#1362040 likes
Why do you people insist on tormenting poor Baden. Can you not see that he is sensitive, delicate, like the petals of a begonia? Let him blossom. Let him bloom
I am very Impatient and adore his Irises but I don't Bogenvia in treeing. Oh Holly Hocks, I know how much he likes to Tuliping in public, so expect him here wearing Night blooming Jasmine flowers to cover his manly Rosebuds and maybe a Carnation covering his manhood, to keep onlookers from Crocusing.
higher risk of contamination due to parasites like toxoplasmosis
Hmm, I think toxoplasmosis is the disease not the agent. And anyway, from my knowledge, a very large share of people, even in developed countries, have toxoplasmosis. If your immune system isn't compromised, it's not really an issue though, just goes into a latent phase. I'm quite sure I have it - I also had h. pylori before - and still may have it. Living in a developing country almost guarantees you have these things.
This seems to confirm my haunch. The symptoms seem interesting:
Decreased novelty seeking behavior
Slower reactions
Lower rule-consciousness and greater jealousy (in men)
Greater warmth, conscientiousness and moralistic behavior (in women)
So it seems that it may be a positive thing in women in some regards (last point) :-O
Yes, I know it doesn’t follow. That wasn’t my intention. And there are a LOT MORE who are biased against it, I reckon.
Like who? I named to you 5 who are actually New Atheists. Add people like Michael, Arkady, and the like and you have even more. So there's at least around 10 New Atheists. This forum probably has around ~50 active & important members. So that means around at least 20% are New Atheists. I don't see how a forum with a 20% population of New Atheists can be biased against new atheists. That seems absurd.
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He's actually a good politician. I don't think there have been people who have followed through with all their promises in office for a while.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 22, 2017 at 21:43#1363140 likes
He's actually a good politician. I don't think there have been people who have followed through with all their promises in office for a while.
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I think he would be insulted to be called a politician. I do hope he gets a true and fair investigation on Hillary, her server, the deleted emails and the truth about Benghazi.
He's actually a good politician. I don't think there have been people who have followed through with all their promises in office for a while.
Really? Did you just try to paint trump as an honest person? And even if he were honest (and I do like honest people), that's still not the right measure for a good politician. Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot were brilliant politicians too, who managed to solidify power and "follow through on their promises". It really shouldn't be a factor.
Baden, just a head's up. Antoinette called and said you left your bottle of Evian Spring Water in the aromatherapy room as you were detoxifying your skin with the natural mineral salts hand picked from an isolated Peruvian estuary by an Asháninka, who then blends it with the essential oils from the rare Amazonian Lily that Cecil the masseuse gently rubs all over your body as part of your fortnightly cleansing ritual.
Yeah, you are right about that. I had a couple of pine trees in a tub, they don't grow naturally where I live so I was really happy that they were even growing. And then the neighbors cat decided that the tub made a nice place to crap. Killed them in a week. But my cat got revenge and screwed the damn thing. Black street cats and expensive Siamese make really lovely kittens.
My cat was the same. I refused to feed him outside so now he's forced to come in for food. He sleeps inside during the winter, but come summer he'll disappear for days on end again.
I refused to feed him outside once. He walked past the house for the next three days and did not even bother to look at me when I called him. After I put his food out again he went back to normal.
Yeah, you are right about that. I had a couple of pine trees in a tub, they don't grow naturally where I live so I was really happy that they were even growing. And then the neighbors cat decided that the tub made a nice place to crap. Killed them in a week. But my cat got revenge and screwed the damn thing. Black street cats and expensive Siamese make really lovely kittens.
I bet the eerie, crying sounds of the ritual feline orgy was music to your ears.
StreetlightDecember 23, 2017 at 06:17#1365030 likes
I'm going to make a thread about exploding elephants. It's going to be great.
Because Trump believes in American exceptionalism which I believe is a necessity to be successful in Capitalism. Trump respects and is willing to do what it takes to uphold the United States Constitution, a just constitution as Kant would suggest. ‘[A just constitution is] a constitution that achieves the greatest possible freedom of human individuals by framing the laws in such a way that the freedom of each can co-exist with that of all others’ – Kant Critique of Pure Reason
Trump doesn't believe in doing something one way simply because that is the way it has always been do. Trump believes in embracing change and the necessity of it to remain relevant on the world stage. Trump has been both a Democrat and a Republican which I have always felt would be the strongest leaders of the Executive branch of our government but has never been encouraged which would be to have a (D) President and a (R) Vice President or the reverse. That way there would be a chance of getting work done with bilateral support in the Congress.
Trump is a HUGE supporter of our military both active and Veterans and the care they receive when they come home. Trump is trying to undo some of the unnecessary red tape that has bound the hands of soo many small business owners. Trump is a builder by nature and is used to the pressure of having things done right, ahead of schedule and for less money than expected. Trump believes in removing the death tax or the inheritance tax which is the most logical move that any President could have made but he is making.
Do you see anything wrong with those beliefs?
If you were an American, would you see anything wrong with the pursuit of these beliefs?
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 23, 2017 at 13:38#1365590 likes
Reply to Banno My dear Banno, please do not cry for as despicable as Trump might appear to be to you, he seems to have an evil twin in Tony Abbott. :-O Maybe Turnball will turn things around and not look to the USA and NZ to take Australia's political refugees.
In an interview with Fox News to mark the 100-day mark, he declared himself “disappointed” with congressional Republicans, despite his many “great relationships” with them.
He blamed the constitutional checks and balances built in to US governance. “It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 23, 2017 at 13:49#1365660 likes
In an interview with Fox News to mark the 100-day mark, he declared himself “disappointed” with congressional Republicans, despite his many “great relationships” with them.
He blamed the constitutional checks and balances built in to US governance. “It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”
After reading the article I notice right beneath the headline a one line statement that explains his feelings which is: "The president is learning the limits of power."
Also an article here about Trump's anti-Constitution talk. And there's the stuff that potentially violates the Emoluments clause.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 23, 2017 at 13:50#1365690 likes
Merry Christmas to you Cavacava~ I feel blessed to have the opportunity to celebrate another holiday season with you and my fellow 'thinkers' here at the forum. (L)
After reading the article I notice right beneath the headline a one line statement that explains his feelings which is: "The president is learning the limits of power."
So first you say that Trump respects and is willing to uphold the Constitution and when I show you examples of where he doesn't, you try to defend him by suggesting that he doesn't understand the Constitution? That makes no sense.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 23, 2017 at 13:53#1365710 likes
Reply to Michael We are still reading about his learning curve, which we all have. The ideal is to be able to separate the feelings out of the facts and to be willing to learn what we might have misunderstood to be truth before. Trump is willing to flip a bitch on an issue if necessary and that is not a fault in a leader.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I have no idea what you're trying to say here. The facts are that Trump has said things and is trying to do things that are very much against the Constitution, so it is wrong to say that he respects and is willing to uphold it.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 23, 2017 at 13:55#1365730 likes
So first you say that Trump respects and is willing to uphold the Constitution and when I show you examples of where he doesn't, you try to defend him by suggesting that he doesn't understand the Constitution? That makes no sense.
You are under the impression that Trump is a politician or was groomed for this position. He wasn't. He Stepped Up because those who held the title of politician were fucking things up not just at home but on the world stage. We needed a correction and Trump was chosen.
You are under the impression that Trump is a politician or was groomed for this position. He wasn't. He Stepped Up because those who held the title of politician were fucking things up not just at home but on the world stage. We needed a correction and Trump was chosen.
Again, I have no idea how this is supposed to show that Trump respects and is willing to uphold the Constitution.
You are under the impression that Trump is a politician or was groomed for this position
No I'm not. That's why I questioned Posty McPostface's claim that Trump is a good politician. I don't understand how he can actually believe that. He's terrible at being a politician.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 23, 2017 at 14:00#1365780 likes
Again, I have no idea how this is supposed to show that Trump respects and is willing to uphold the Constitution.
What I am trying to explain is that the restraints of the power of the Executive branch are much tighter than any civilian could ever imagine from the outside looking in. I am not talking about life long politicians, knowing how fucked up things are but a civilian that only sees the effects of choices made by a Congress that lives in a bubble called Washington D.C.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 23, 2017 at 14:03#1365790 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff My citations were about how Trump is opposing the Constitution, contradicting your claim that Trump respects and is willing to uphold it.
Because Trump believes in American exceptionalism which I believe is a necessity to be successful in Capitalism.
I'm sure most U.S. Presidents believe in American exceptionalism. Obama did. Putin criticized him for that, with Trump actually coming to Putin's support:
'In a speech on the Syria crisis on September 10, 2013, Obama said: "however, when, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death, and thereby make our kids safer over the long run, I believe we should act... That is what makes America different. That is what makes us exceptional." In a direct response the next day, Russian President Vladimir Putin published an op-ed in The New York Times, articulating that "It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation... We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal." Putin's views were soon endorsed by future president Donald Trump who declared the op-ed "a masterpiece" to British television personality Piers Morgan: "You think of the term as being beautiful, but all of sudden you say, what if you're in Germany or Japan or any one of 100 different countries? You are not going to like that term," Trump said. "It is very insulting, and Putin put it to him about that."'
Trump has been both a Democrat and a Republican which I have always felt would be the strongest leaders of the Executive branch of our government but has never been encouraged which would be to have a (D) President and a (R) Vice President or the reverse. That way there would be a chance of getting work done with bilateral support in the Congress.
Things haven't worked out that way though. Trump has repeatedly attacked the filibuster rule as it often stops Republicans from being able to pass legislation without Democratic support. The two biggest pieces of legislation (healthcare and taxes) were worked on without even allowing Democratic input (the reason McCain gave for voting against the healthcare bill).
Trump is a HUGE supporter of our military both active and Veterans and the care they receive when they come home.
No I'm not. That's why I questioned Posty McPostface's claim that Trump is a good politician. I don't understand how he can actually believe that. He's terrible at being a politician.
He won the most powerful, coveted, and competitive political position in the world. If your criteria for determining a good politician doesn't heavily weigh success, then your evaluation seems academic and judgmental as opposed to real world and practical.
History is replete with terrible people who were good politicians. Insult Trump for all sorts of things, but not having an intinctive understanding of a large segment of the American populace and knowing how to tap into that was not his failing. I'd even say that many (probably you included) have know idea why he won to this day.
Reply to Hanover It has very little to do with Trump as much as it has the political party that he represents and given the history, they are very selective when nominating leadership candidates and these tickets are often more likely to stir popular controversy then have any political substance. The agents - the people behind the scenes - of Miley Cyrus made more money when she represented herself as a slutty girl in all her controversy then the good, Southern sweetheart. You are right when you say that the Republicans are well aware of how to tap into the American populace, but it does not change that the reasoning behind it is problematic. The only time Republican leadership was pretty respectable was during the Roosevelt era.
It is also problematic of you to generalise the entirety of the American populace when such a poor voting turnout occurred with an estimated 55% and it perhaps exemplifies the idea of how language of political solidarity is really just an effort to mobilise a continuity of support. I recall many people protesting in shock of his triumph, but at the same time I understand why this subnationalism is necessary; he is president right now, accept it. Together with the poor competition of Hilary - not sure why she is still bloody hanging around - I would say that the republican party won and not Trump.
He won the most powerful, coveted, and competitive political position in the world. If your criteria for determining a good politician doesn't heavily weigh success, then your evaluation seems academic and judgmental as opposed to real world and practical.
History is replete with terrible people who were good politicians. Insult Trump for all sorts of things, but not having an intinctive understanding of a large segment of the American populace and knowing how to tap into that was not his failing.
I don't see the connection between being a good politician and convincing enough of the right people to vote for you. Propaganda and a cult of personality can get a monkey elected.
I'd even say that many (probably you included) have know idea why he won to this day.
I'm sure people voting for him just because he's a Republican or not a Democrat or not Hilary was a big part of that. And I'm sure a lot of people hating immigrants and wanting his ridiculous wall was a big part, too.
I'm sure people voting for him just because he's a Republican or not a Democrat or not Hilary was a big part of that. And I'm sure a lot of people hating immigrants and wanting his ridiculous wall was a big part, too.
Reply to TimeLine The Republican party didn't select Trump. The leadership hated and continues to hate him. This election was unusual in that the Republican nominee was vetted not in a back room, but democratically. That was in stark contrast to Hillary's annointment. Had the Democrats tried to be democratic maybe they'd have selected someone they cared about.
The election was 100% valid and attempts to delegitimize it aren't legitimate objections but are all part of the political process. The winner declares he's been given a mandate and the loser says she was cheated. It's all spin control. That's what politicians do.
Whether you love or hate him, he brilliantly won an election through tactics that every analyst and expert thought absurd, laughable, and suicidal. And he did it all on instinct, doubtfully once actually strategizing a move. He's not a evil genius. He's a natural.
Like I said though, none of this makes him any more or less a piece of shit. History is replete with political masterminds who were pieces of shit.
The Republican party didn't select Trump. The leadership hated and continues to hate him. This election was unusual in that the Republican nominee was vetted not in a back room, but democratically. That was in stark contrast to Hillary's annointment. Had the Democrats tried to be democratic maybe they'd have selected someone they cared about.
I agree with that and perhaps you are right about the Republican leadership loathing Trump as he polarises an archetype favourable to the voters, but it goes without saying that such leaders are advantageous to the real powers that actually effect national and foreign policy. I think this statement you make actually epitomises the reasons for the disillusionment of voters in your country and democracy cannot be ascertained adequately when voter turnouts are so low. The differences between us in Australia and the States is that we vote for political parties and not leaders that draws better attention to election promises and we also have compulsory voting that - while Arrows theorem proves still to be inadequate together with other failures of two-party system that makes democracy rather questionable - nevertheless strengthens demographic determinants.
The election was 100% valid and attempts to delegitimize it aren't legitimate objections but are all part of the political process. The winner declares he's been given a mandate and the loser says she was cheated. It's all spin control. That's what politicians do.
Whether you love or hate him, he brilliantly won an election through tactics that every analyst and expert thought absurd, laughable, and suicidal. And he did it all on instinct, doubtfully once actually strategizing a move. He's not a evil genius. He's a natural.
Like I said though, none of this makes him any more or less a piece of shit. History is replete with political masterminds who were pieces of shit.
Again, I agree save for the whole apologist "brilliantly won" which returns back to my subnationalism political language and while it was legitimate, overall the United States has a lot of questionable methods that are disconcerting to have, especially for a superpower that I would prefer over China or Russia. The western world has a right to be concerned as your politics is beyond this national game you play.
To those who are experiencing depression, anxiety, or other mental health concerns, maybe even just generally feeling shit about life, who don't have family or who have family but they are away, who may be experiencing something like a death or illness of a loved one, to those who have chronic pain that takes away the joy in life, to the isolated elderly or those who may be in hospital right now, to children with terminal illness and parents of those children who are suffering just the same, to those living at a refuge, in their car or in other temporary accommodation because of domestic violence, those people who are feeling heartbroken or who deeply regret doing things that they have not rectified, those who cannot afford food or those who are just lonely despite all the cheer.
I'm really sorry for how fucked up we are as a society and I refuse to get caught up by the bullshit driven by economics and only justified because it is nice. It is hard to wish you a merry christmas, but I wish it all the same.
I think this statement you make actually epitomises the reasons for the disillusionment of voters in your country and democracy cannot be ascertained adequately when voter turnouts are so low.
Voter turnout was about 5% lower this election cycle than last. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html The numbers are interesting in that it appears the drop off was the result of Democrats not voting, likely because they didn't have a candidate that they chose. Quoting TimeLine
Again, I agree save for the whole apologist "brilliantly won" which returns back to my subnationalism political language and while it was legitimate, overall the United States has a lot of questionable methods that are disconcerting to have, especially for a superpower that I would prefer over China or Russia. The western world has a right to be concerned as your politics is beyond this national game you play.
The word "brilliant" has no apologist or positive connotations in the way I use it in American English. It just references an impressive showing.
The typical objection to the American presidential system is that it is not directly democratic, but we use the electoral college system. Obviously it is more directly democratic than parliamentary systems. I do think, though, that the real objection to American politics is not procedural, but it's substantive. We can talk about all sorts of ways we could rearrange the furniture, but the message is fairly clear: If only it weren't Americans doing the voting. If these religious, patriotic, anti-intellectual, gun toting, John Waynes would just stay home on election day, there'd be a more reasonable President, right? That is, if Australia, the UK, the Netherlands, Germany (pick your Western country) were burdened with the American political process in its exact form, there's the thought all those folks would get it right anyway. I really don't believe that the left or the rest of the Western world really understands the Republican vote. It is so very confusing why otherwise intelligent people would vote in such a stupid or brainwashed or callous way seems to be the thought.
I see Trump as the pendulum to the right responding the Obama pendulum to the left responding to the GW pendulum to the right. I also think the left has no idea how despised Hillary is by the right. The left debates the issue, as if it matters at all whether Hillary truly is as bad as the right says she is, when what they really needed to pay attention to was just the simple fact, right or wrong, that the right sees Hillary as the anti-Christ. By running her, they assured themselves they wouldn't get a single Republican vote, that they'd get low turnout for their party, and they'd feed Trump a victory.
AkanthinosDecember 24, 2017 at 01:50#1367060 likes
I don't *hate* Witty. I just don't relate at all to him as he is described in the litterature. He seems like the kind of person I would have been unable to stand being close to for any amount of time. People who'se anxiety and victimisation complex ooze out like plasma out of a 500-pound morbidly obese man who'se skin is broken all over.
Plus I don't much care for child beater or people who have abused their position and influence for sexual gain in relations to their students.
Voter turnout was about 5% lower this election cycle than last. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html The numbers are interesting in that it appears the drop off was the result of Democrats not voting, likely because they didn't have a candidate that they chose.
That is certainly one such possibility, hence why Clinton should crawl back into her hole now and stay there. In addition, I think that Democrat voters assumed that Trump did not really stand a chance. It reminds me of the very first episode of the House of Cards when Spacey said: "President Elect. Do I like him? No. Do I believe in him? That's beside the point. Any politician that gets 70 million votes has tapped into something larger than himself, larger than even me... after 22 years in Congress, I can smell which way the wind is blowing." It is exactly what the Republicans needed the American public to think after such a successful Obama administration; they played their cards well.
The typical objection to the American presidential system is that it is not directly democratic, but we use the electoral college system. Obviously it is more directly democratic than parliamentary systems. I do think, though, that the real objection to American politics is not procedural, but it's substantive. We can talk about all sorts of ways we could rearrange the furniture, but the message is fairly clear: If only it weren't Americans doing the voting. If these religious, patriotic, anti-intellectual, gun toting, John Waynes would just stay home on election day, there'd be a more reasonable President, right?
That is, if Australia, the UK, the Netherlands, Germany (pick your Western country) were burdened with the American political process in its exact form, there's the thought all those folks would get it right anyway. I really don't believe that the left or the rest of the Western world really understands the Republican vote. It is so very confusing why otherwise intelligent people would vote in such a stupid or brainwashed or callous way seems to be the thought.
The electoral college swings to popular vote and so really it is just a formality, so I am unsure how that is obviously more directly democratic than parliamentary systems; if anything the EC almost undermines democracy. Being conscious of the fact that citizens vote a party in a parliamentary democracy rather than a leader does not make it any less democratic.On the contrary, I think the primary problem is the fact that more Americans are not voting so I am unsure of what you are talking about regarding this 'burden' of the US political process and the gun-toting patriots. We have those everywhere, even in Australia, but the disillusionment or lacklustre response to voting is concerning given the power of your government to influence international affairs. I find that astonishing, like Americans just don't give a shit.
I see Trump as the pendulum to the right responding the Obama pendulum to the left responding to the GW pendulum to the right. I also think the left has no idea how despised Hillary is by the right. The left debates the issue, as if it matters at all whether Hillary truly is as bad as the right says she is, when what they really needed to pay attention to was just the simple fact, right or wrong, that the right sees Hillary as the anti-Christ. By running her, they assured themselves they wouldn't get a single Republican vote, that they'd get low turnout for their party, and they'd feed Trump a victory.
I completely agree (not that I think she is anti-Christ) but that it was a direct result of her leadership campaign that enabled Trump to win. I personally do not like Hilary and I swing to left, but I do think she is the lesser of two evils because I think the democrats are the lesser of two evils when I draw focus on foreign policies of either party as it directly relates to me and my concerns internationally. That is why I find discussions on Trump here disturbing when it is the policies that we should be focusing on.
Reply to Akanthinos Really? People who'se anxiety and victimisation complex ooze out like plasma out of a 500-pound morbidly obese man who'se skin is broken all over. That's just... :-O
AkanthinosDecember 24, 2017 at 06:54#1367580 likes
Reply to Hanover I agree with all this and I had an intuitive understanding as for the first time since I follow the US elections I didn't try to predict it despite the 90% chance hillary would win according to various newspapers. On the other hand, they're all arguments against trump "brilliantly winning".
Noble DustDecember 24, 2017 at 08:55#1367720 likes
I'm sure most U.S. Presidents believe in American exceptionalism. Obama did. Putin criticized him for that, with Trump actually coming to Putin's support:
'In a speech on the Syria crisis on September 10, 2013, Obama said: "however, when, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death, and thereby make our kids safer over the long run, I believe we should act... That is what makes America different. That is what makes us exceptional." In a direct response the next day, Russian President Vladimir Putin published an op-ed in The New York Times, articulating that "It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation... We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal." Putin's views were soon endorsed by future president Donald Trump who declared the op-ed "a masterpiece" to British television personality Piers Morgan: "You think of the term as being beautiful, but all of sudden you say, what if you're in Germany or Japan or any one of 100 different countries? You are not going to like that term," Trump said. "It is very insulting, and Putin put it to him about that."
>>looking totally confuzzled at you Michael
Do you really believe that Obama believed in American exceptionalism? :s May I suggest his world wide apology tour as a funny way of showing it? But to bring up God and Obama is just too rich. Please. Do you remember that the community organizer that became President Obama, attended church Sunday after Sunday, worshiping the God he claims created us equal, as his Pastor counsels his congregation that blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God Damn America." Is that the American exceptionalism you are speaking of?
If you really want to run with Obama SAYING in a speech "however, when, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death, and thereby make our kids safer over the long run, I believe we should act... That is what makes America different. That is what makes us exceptional." With Trump ACTING on the gassing of Syrian children by using a bomb that has never been used before to let Assad know that this was not going to happen again and if it did there would be a price to pay, not words to ignore? I will leave that for you to rationalize.
Things haven't worked out that way though. Trump has repeatedly attacked the filibuster rule as it often stops Republicans from being able to pass legislation without Democratic support. The two biggest pieces of legislation (healthcare and taxes) were worked on without even allowing Democratic input (the reason McCain gave for voting against the healthcare bill).
A combination ticket is not an ideal I am going to give up on easily.
[quote=Mirror Politics, Morning Newsletter, 12th December]Stagecoach’s contract to run the East Coast Mainline has been terminated just before it was due to pay the government more than £2billion for the right to hold the franchise.
Instead of insisting the company, a joint venture with Virgin, fulfilled its obligations, the Transport Secretary has agreed for a public-private consortium to run the line until the franchise expires in 2023.
Last year the taxpayer subsidised the supposedly private rail industry to the tune of £4.8billion.
The system of privatisation created by the Tories is so dysfunctional it allows taxpayers’ money to be filtered through private firms directly into the hands of a few rich shareholders.
For example, Go-Ahead, which runs Southern, Southeastern, London Midland and GTR, received £132million in subsidies last year for its rail operations and paid its shareholders dividends of £48million.
As a reward for overseeing this arrangement the chief executive earned more than £800,000.
The mystery is why people are not more angry about public money being used to enrich private individuals.
The amount taxpayers pay in rail subsidies is just over half the amount we are paying to the EU this year.
Though you will not see that on the side of a Stagecoach train or bus.
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StreetlightDecember 24, 2017 at 13:36#1368280 likes
Merry Christmas, bitches.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 24, 2017 at 13:39#1368300 likes
Merry Christmas StreetlightX! Thank you for all you do for us through out the year!
Cheers!
StreetlightDecember 24, 2017 at 13:49#1368320 likes
It is exactly what the Republicans needed the American public to think after such a successful Obama administration
How was it successful? Other than barely passing a watered down healthcare bill while he had a majority in both houses, he was entirely unable to swing a single Republican vote on any of his initiatives, resulting in him abusing the power of executive order. Leading the choir isn't leadership, and forcing your position on others has no lasting effect in a democracy as everything just as quickly gets disassembled when a new sheriff steps in. His legacy is being erased daily. That's not evidence of a great leader. We need a unifier, not an ideologue. I'm not suggesting Trump's the answer. Quoting TimeLine
but the disillusionment or lacklustre response to voting is concerning given the power of your government to influence international affairs. I find that astonishing, like Americans just don't give a shit.
I don't think anyone votes from such an empathetic perspective. People vote because of their personal situation, and I think it's a bit much to expect their motivation to arise from a feeling of needing responsible leadership for the rest of the world. That is, since I know US policy will affect the French, I have an added responsibilty to carefully vote to assure the French a safe and prosperous four years? Even if that ought be in part my motivation, I don't think it'd be astonishing if it weren't. That's just not what motivates people generally.
Edit: Just noticed that this was in March/April 2012, so this isn't even all of his first term.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 24, 2017 at 14:35#1368420 likes
Enough debate and merry wishing it is time to get to work. We need 10lbs of Potatoes, peeled, hand grated and folded into a sour cream, egg and seasonings before the potatoes turn brown. We need to peel, slice and dice 2 lbs of Onions, sauté and mix in with potato mix. Dice 5 lbs of frozen Bacon, fry or bake until crisp, mix into massive potato combination and place in oven for an hour until brown and set.
Any volunteers?
Bueller?
Other than barely passing a watered down healthcare bill while he had a majority in both houses, he was entirely unable to swing a single Republican vote on any of his initiatives, resulting in him abusing the power of executive order. Leading the choir isn't leadership, and forcing your position on others has no lasting effect in a democracy as everything just as quickly gets disassembled when a new sheriff steps in. His legacy is being erased daily. That's not evidence of a great leader. We need a unifier, not an ideologue. I'm not suggesting Trump's the answer.
I think for the most part the ideological differences between Democrats and Republicans are too extreme for bipartisanship to happen on a lot of issues.
Edit: although saying that, according to this, "Yes, Obamacare passed without any Republican support, but that’s the single example of purely partisan legislation in the Obama Era. Every other bill signed by Obama came with at least one Republican vote. Granted, some came with more than others. But getting just one vote from the other side always involved determined negotiation and substantive compromise."
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 24, 2017 at 14:43#1368450 likes
I am so blessed for soo many reasons, too many to list but one is my Mother in law is buying a home in Oregon! I am so glad she has found a state she wants to call home. O:) Sorry @jamalrob so close, yet so far....this one might have gotten away! Another reason is that both my Dads are still with us and I get to spend tomorrow with my Mom and Step Dad here and in February I am heading home to Chicago for a week to see my Dad who is in a nursing home! I am so excited about so many things that money just cannot buy that I must say I am grateful for being blessed with such joys~
Merry Christmas and hey, I am feeling so blessed already that I might just share any physical presents I might get with you!!! (Y)
Reply to Michael There are executive orders and executive memoranda, both which can have significant or minimal impact, neither of which are worthy of quantifying. It's not how many. It's what they do, and it's why they're issued. If it's to do unilaterally what you can't accomplish through Congress regarding hot-button issues, it points to being an ineffective leader subject to being unraveled when your opponent takes over, which is exactly what is happenening. Holding onto a presidency by the slimmest margain and pushing through your agenda without consideration for your opposition is right out of the GW playbook, and it leads to the same result: the devestation of the party through the loss of seats everywhere and an extreme opposite being your replacement.
Obama got me to vote for Trump. That's an accomplishment.
Merry frigid Christmas. Below zero F tonight, stays below zero tomorrow.
I heard on the BBC early this morning that only castrated reindeer have antlers in late December. On Dasher. on Dancer, on Comet, on Catsup. One wonders about the elves who are enslaved in Santa's Sweatshop.
Don't potatoes lose the brownish color as soon as they go into the hot water?
Ooo a volunteer? (Y) The potatoes are grated raw and plunged into the sour cream to keep them from going brown because they are cooked in the sour cream egg mix, they never see the clarity of a pot of hot boiling water. Ohh if only it were so easy!
Got a peeler? We did the Onions and Bacon yesterday so today it is the manual work and then over the river (bed) and through the 72* hills, to Granny and Gramps house we go~ (L)
Reply to Akanthinos After pulling an all-nighter on Christmas Eve volunteering with the disadvantaged and pretty much spending most of Christmas day sleeping, I spent this beautiful morning first going for a swim and now at the park reading. I'll call this Still Can't Believe I Fit Into These Jeans since I've had this pair for about 5 years. Way better than 35 bucks an hour :P
AkanthinosDecember 26, 2017 at 01:29#1372200 likes
After pulling an all-nighter on Christmas Eve volunteering with the disadvantaged and pretty much spending most of Christmas day sleeping, I spent this beautiful morning first going for a swim and now at the park reading. I'll call this Still Can't Believe I Fit Into These Jeans since I've had this pair for about 5 years. Way better than 35 bucks an hour
I envy your green grass and summer light. We have 3 feet of snow everywhere here.
Reply to Akanthinos Yeah, the weather is awesome right now and in a couple of days I will be remote glamping near the beach with friends. I'll be taking my telescope (Y)
On a side note:
Has anyone here been to Morocco? I am - like right now - purchasing tickets because I am hiking the Atlas Mountains later this year and want to know whether Fes is worth going to? I am going to Marrakesh.
AkanthinosDecember 26, 2017 at 02:40#1372400 likes
Reply to Bitter Crank Women from the refuge? No. They need to sort things out for themselves first. As for me, I work hard for my money and after a hard enough life, am I not allowed to enjoy myself?
Has anyone here been to Morocco? I am - like right now - purchasing tickets because I am hiking the Atlas Mountains later this year and want to know whether Fes is worth going to? I am going to Marrakesh.
I haven't only hiked the atlas mountains, but I've conqured them, reduced them to lower case, chopped them down with the edge of my hand. Voodoo childed that bitch. https://youtu.be/n07TSnndg8I
Reply to TimeLineIt is not the clothes of elderly women I adore per se, but it is the scent of their day, the foods spilled upon them, and the various emitted fluids that insult the fabric I find most arousing.
A more serious observation:
At some point in everyone's life they begin to wear the clothes of resignation, clearly signaling they have given up being a sexual being, but instead believe themselves better suited for large cat sweaters and jeans that belt just below the breasts. I, on the other hand, continue to buy form fitting skinny jeans, all bedazzled and hip, with strategic tears showing off my testicular cleavage to my demanding public.
At some point in everyone's life they begin to wear the clothes of resignation, clearly signaling they have given up being a sexual being, but instead believe themselves better suited for large cat sweaters and jeans that belt just below the breasts. I, on the other hand, continue to buy form fitting skinny jeans, all bedazzled and hip, with strategic tears showing off my testicular cleavage to my demanding public.
I just realised that I am not attracted to anyone. I was initially rather scared. I mean, there I was at home in track pants and a singlet, my hair tied up with a pen all messy and careless, book in one hand, hot chocolate in another. What has become of me?
I now realise that I need you, Hanover. I need you. Your helmet hair glued back by uppercut monster hold wax. Your tanned skin peeking out of the tears on your superskinny jeans that you wear with your flippy floppies. Your tight fitting t-shirt with a little humorous quote to make you seem so down to earth as you swing your hips while taking your chihuahua for a walk.
I now realise that I need you, Hanover. I need you. Your helmet hair glued back by uppercut monster hold wax. Your tanned skin peeking out of the tears on your superskinny jeans that you wear with your flippy floppies. Your tight fitting t-shirt with a little humorous quote to make you seem so down to earth as you swing your hips while taking your chihuahua for a walk.
All so accurate, except I swish, not swing. Ambiguity is so perfectly 2018 and I rock it submissively hard.
But you need me? Hah! Just another come on from someone out for a good time, to trample my heart, to have her way and to say "I'll call you," but to never think twice as I stare at my phone waiting, my heart racing when a text comes through, but deflated to see it's just a notice my T-Mobile bill is due. Go play with someone else's heart. Tell me you meant it. Tell me.
But you need me? Hah! Just another come on from someone out for a good time, to trample my heart, to have her way and to say "I'll call you," but to never think twice as I stare at my phone waiting, my heart racing when a text comes through, but deflated to see it's just a notice my T-Mobile bill is due. Go play with someone else's heart. Tell me you meant it. Tell me.
We keep doing this. I did text you, remember, and you quickly returned the favour by sending me that picture with a message that wrote, "This is Legion Commander Maximus." I was traumatised and after I threatened legal action, you apologised and accepted that there will never be messages between us again. So I forgave. I forgave despite the hurt and the horror. But, what did you do next? You call me, 3am, weeping heavily and telling me you are afraid, asking me to come over and hold you tight as it is cold, the storms and rain outside frighten you, for me to softly sing you a lullaby with your head gently betwixt my bosoms.
You haven't changed. You are an emotional mess. It's over.
Yeah, right...I never claimed to be not weird. Is it Hyde Park or not? I have this not not weird feeling you are not going to tell me...
Just to prove the sophistication of not being a weird person from Sydney, I will answer your question and confirm that it is not Hyde Park. Because Hyde Park is in Sydney. And Sydney is weird.
Has anyone here been to Morocco? I am - like right now - purchasing tickets because I am hiking the Atlas Mountains later this year and want to know whether Fes is worth going to? I am going to Marrakesh.
Yes. I went to Marrakesh and Essaouira. Was pretty good.
TheWillowOfDarknessDecember 26, 2017 at 11:59#1373570 likes
I was hoping to recognise a landmark. The trees look familiar to me, but they could be in a garden or park in at least half Australia-- the mystery remains.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 26, 2017 at 13:14#1373680 likes
I got a flippin CAR for my Christmas present from NicK! The first second car we have owned in 20 years and it's PAID for! I opened up a small box that I thought was jewelry and it was a KEY FOB!!! I will have to take pictures of it! It's an Infiniti and was owned by a guy who is getting into racing and this was his Dad's car so it has 160k miles on it but the research says that it will make to 200k plus but it's paid for! I am over the moon with it and the freedom that NicK recognizes that I need in my life. I am so blessed~ For 20 years we have shared one truck or Jeep so this is HUGE! Make America Great Again is working!
NicK was able to give me this gift because of the blessing of two new clients, both small businesses and are expanding to medium size small businesses, as a result of the tax breaks for employers.
A flippin car! Snow ready as we prepare to move our ranch up North and we will take all of you with us! Yaaaaaaaaaaay!!!
You call me, 3am, weeping heavily and telling me you are afraid, asking me to come over and hold you tight as it is cold, the storms and rain outside frighten you, for me to softly sing you a lullaby with your head gently betwixt my bosoms.
But when you hold me and sing to me in your thick Eastern European tongue and feed me the fermented beets and candied cabbage your village is known for, I feel so loved.
If you give me another chance, I will caress your thighs calloused from your nightly affections and whisper the patriotic songs of bloody violence from your youth into your cauliflower ears. Don't leave! Not on Christmas!
A question for Benkei. What is it with the Dutch obsession with raw herring?
We don't eat raw herring in the Netherlands. We do celebrate the new fatty herring each spring. Its intestins are removed but its pancreas remains, which has a ripening effect and they're salted (and frozen for 24 hours to kill parasites). It's served with raw onions which have an acid that denatures proteins much like ceviche. That's as close to raw as it gets but it isn't sushi.
Just to prove the sophistication of not being a weird person from Sydney, I will answer your question and confirm that it is not Hyde Park. Because Hyde Park is in Sydney. And Sydney is weird.
You may not be a weird person from Sydney, but if you think not being a weird person from Sydney constitutes sophistication then you are weird.
"People are strange when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone" The Doors
Same might go for cities for some folk.
AkanthinosDecember 27, 2017 at 00:05#1375120 likes
But when you hold me and sing to me in your thick Eastern European tongue and feed me the fermented beets and candied cabbage your village is known for, I feel so loved.
If you give me another chance, I will caress your thighs calloused from your nightly affections and whisper the patriotic songs of bloody violence from your youth into your cauliflower ears. Don't leave! Not on Christmas!
Do you have any idea just how uncomfortable it made me when I got home to find a package waiting for me, so excited about the contents of this surprise only to feel distressed when I found that it contained a Bohemian Kroj and a Slavic wimple with a message that wrote My dear Anastasia, how I yearn to kiss those sharp cheekbones as I once did before the war.
It's been recommended to me by friends whose judgment I trust and who have been there. So I'd go.
It will be a tight squeeze because I only have five weeks off work and I will be spending almost four weeks in Israel doing a doco. I guess I could try and do a return flight from Fes after flying into Marrakech to do the trek, but I like spending more than a few days in one place to really absorb myself in the culture. I hate being touristy.
I was hoping to recognise a landmark. The trees look familiar to me, but they could be in a garden or park in at least half Australia-- the mystery remains.
Why were you hoping? My concerns against your name are slowly manifesting.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Lucky you. I wish I had someone who would buy me a car. He must really love you though to surprise you like that. Nice. (Y) Enjoy.
TheWillowOfDarknessDecember 27, 2017 at 01:45#1375290 likes
Only the narcissism of recognising a localish place I knew about or had visited. Alas, I am a disappointing villain.
Still, I'm sure some true crime show would be able to make something out of just wanting to recognise places you knew in media. I'll make a list of my preferred ominous music.
Reply to TheWillowOfDarkness You'll be fine, as long as you have your MC Hammer pants and Reebok Pump sneakers. I am sure they will give up eventually once they meet you.
AkanthinosDecember 27, 2017 at 02:01#1375330 likes
Reply to TimeLine It was not from me. It was for me. I have always enjoyed the feel of ethnic female ceremonial garb against my freshly shaven loins, and how I love to be called Anastasia!
I have no idea of who my secret admirer might be, but they so better understand me than you, whoever you've become - traveling to remote north Africa in search of a floozy lesbian belly dancer who will no doubt impregnate you and leave you. Don't come running to me to raise your single sex conceived bastard. I'm not doing that again. Consequences. Learn the word Miss Free Spirit.
Reminds me of Hendrix. Couldn't find original version, but the Clapton version's cool. https://youtu.be/XdIHxpx9VUc
Correct. This puts you in illustrious company of yourself: in almost ten years using the name on the internet, I don't think I've had a single person make that connection.
AkanthinosDecember 27, 2017 at 03:01#1375440 likes
Ah! I knew all these years of unreasonable media consumption would eventually pay off.
Still, Dark Willow was the hottest Alyson Hannigan ever got on screen. Dark hair & dark eyes.
I don't think I've had a single person make that connection.
Well, I would be surprised about that. For example, I did make that connection but never mentioned it since I don't know much about popular culture, TV shows, etc. . It's not particularly hard, all that someone has to do is google your name.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 27, 2017 at 12:00#1376210 likes
@Wosret@TimeLine Yayyyyyyyyyyyy Thank you!!!!
Today begins the BIG push to get the ranch ready for sale! Well it starts with a perimeter walk and then move in from there.
In other news....the house my Mother in law was WAS looking to buy in Oregon is no Bueno. Which might be why there are 15 house listings in Prescott on NicK's computer as we look for our new NEXT place to land our family in life~
Just did me about six seven hours of driving, picking someone up at the airport. I liked it better when I lived in Leduc, and was only fifteen min away, lol. Damn it's so cold too, like -30.
Noble DustDecember 27, 2017 at 12:47#1376320 likes
What's your new years resolutions, Tiff, aside from the fact that since your man brought you a car, you're going to give him some backseat, hardcore lovin' for the next twelve months until he regrets ever buying you the damn thing?
There is not much new with me, I have just been trying to finish some work I started a couple of months ago. Been working on the new bathroom and laundry room. I got pissed of because I put a pipe in the wrong place and had to spend 2 hours correcting the mistake. I was hoping to get the tiles done this weekend.
Hey, maybe that is what you need. Some sort of a project to get your mind of your avatar.
Noble DustDecember 28, 2017 at 02:37#1377600 likes
There is not much new with me, I have just been trying to finish some work I started a couple of months ago. Been working on the new bathroom and laundry room. I got pissed of because I put a pipe in the wrong place and had to spend 2 hours correcting the mistake. I was hoping to get the tiles done this weekend.
Hey, maybe that is what you need. Some sort of a project to get your mind of your avatar.
Wilson is just an interesting character. Never spoke on camera; but, moving to many who have seen Castaway, that they cried when he was lost by Tom Hanks on his raft. I find it both interesting, satisfying, and edifying to know that for, some reason.
What's your new years resolutions, Tiff, aside from the fact that since your man brought you a car, you're going to give him some backseat, hardcore lovin' for the next twelve months until he regrets ever buying you the damn thing?
Lololol oh my....no, no backseat hardcore lovin as a resolution! And let's be honest here, most resolutions make it to the middle of February and then are left by the wayside. My Chiropractor would laugh WAY too hard at me when I would have to go in for treatments and would ask me just how young I thought I was... O:)
Some sage advice: Never do anything in your sexual life that you would be embarrassed to tell an emergency room Doctor. Not that I ever have had the experience but advice I have followed all the same.
Oh yeah the resolution... my resolution is to begin to downsize my life to a more manageable circle now that the Indians are growing up and finding life exists outside our tribe.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 28, 2017 at 14:08#1378460 likes
Reply to Hanover Hollandse nieuwe is not prepared with brine. Don't know what that page is going on about. Also, brine denatures protein as well so it's less raw than sushi again.
Reply to Benkei Stop fighting it and just fucking admit that Dutch people slurp down pickled herring from street vendors. Everyone knows it already, you can't hide it, and it will be continue to be a stain on your nation until you deal with it and stop denying it.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiffMy New Year's Resolution will not be pleasant for anyone, especially not for TimeLine, Baden, or that fucker at the grocery store who still actually writes checks.
Reply to jamalrob we have rolmops too but it isn't so popular. The picture Hanover showed is Hollandse Nieuwe and that's just different.
Noble DustDecember 29, 2017 at 07:44#1380660 likes
I can't stand this crane avatar anymore. He's not me. I jumped the bandwagon, joined the trend. But I can't keep hiding behind this bro-ish shell any longer. I need to be free. Help
I think the visage of Kramer telling you about your mistaken aesthetic assumptions, your failure to see the essence of the "me-centric" ontology of essential existentialism, and your confused assumptions about the nature of religious belief and religious epistemology is something much-needed here on the cold tundra of the TPF. Just sayin
Noble DustDecember 29, 2017 at 08:18#1380710 likes
god, I need to release some new music. I'm constipated right now. So much shit that hasn't come out yet.
Reply to Benkei Well, surely not that different. According to my research that's soused herring, which is a kind of pickled. The internet says you also have herring sandwiches.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 29, 2017 at 11:01#1380910 likes
Pickled Herring, Apricot Brandy at the stroke of Midnight on New Year's Eve has been a tradition in my family since before I was born. The pickled Herring was for a prosperous new year and the Brandy was for a healthy and vibrant new year.
I have vivid memories of my older brother chasing me around my Granny's house (that was NEVER to be RUN in) in our good clothes, my hair in ribbons and braids and he close behind with a floppy piece of Pickled Herring making it say "Eat me! EAT ME"!! Which sent me screaming "MOMMMMMMMMM"!!!!!!!!!! All being followed by my Granny's prize Pekinese puppy who never got to have such fun! Oh you can just imagine the pitch of my scream!
Oooo and the look on my Granny's face.....it still makes me shudder!
BuxtebuddhaDecember 29, 2017 at 17:27#1381540 likes
Reply to Wosret What'd'ya mean, wos? You don't enjoy reading through threads such as, "I AM A GEOLOGY" or "PARAKEETS AND SEMICOLONS"? Bro...
Y'all can still join me, Wilson, with Friday over at our island. We just request that you bring snacks as it's a hard to come by commodity over at the island.
Lololol oh my....no, no backseat hardcore lovin as a resolution!
Some sage advice: Never do anything in your sexual life that you would be embarrassed to tell an emergency room Doctor. Not that I ever have had the experience but advice I have followed all the same.
Notwithstanding the fact that I don't actually have a sexual life (let's be honest, farkin), I see absolutely no qualms in telling your doctor that you copulated 365 times in the back of a vehicle as a form of gratification for both you for receiving this gift and, well, hopefully you for the copulation. It is a total win-win situation. As Hanover would say, I'm jelly.
Oh yeah the resolution... my resolution is to begin to downsize my life to a more manageable circle now that the Indians are growing up and finding life exists outside our tribe.
Hopefully, spending time on your own. It is actually really healing and empowering, you recognise what you want and not what you do because it is necessary. I am sure you will reach that resolution. (Y)
Well, surely not that different. According to my research that's soused herring, which is a kind of pickled. The internet says you also have herring sandwiches.
Yeah, I've seen several English sites refer to this but it's incorrect. There's no preserving liquid involved where it concerns Hollandse Nieuwe. Intestines are removed except for the pancreas which causes a continued ripening process. It's salted and usually served with onions. Only the onions have an effect similar to pickling but they're optional.
I have made plans and I know I will follow them through in the practical sense. But two things: to no longer desire an apology from others who have done wrong to me to face things as it is and not what I hope it would be.I think that is the only way you can find forgiveness. And to say yes to the next guy who blatantly asks me out (it is always out of the blue and so random that I tend to freak out) but only to give them a chance to redeem themselves.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 30, 2017 at 11:45#1383570 likes
Notwithstanding the fact that I don't actually have a sexual life (let's be honest, farkin), I see absolutely no qualms in telling your doctor that you copulated 365 times in the back of a vehicle as a form of gratification for both you for receiving this gift and, well, hopefully you for the copulation. It is a total win-win situation. As Hanover would say, I'm jelly.
So let's just flesh this out right now with a single question and a single numerical answer:
How often do you think a couple married for 23 years, together for 27 years, have intercourse in a year?
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 30, 2017 at 11:46#1383580 likes
@Baden
Awww how adorable! Did you know she was pregnant?
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 30, 2017 at 11:49#1383590 likes
@Benkei
From one friend to another? Just give into the Herring thing unless you were traumatized as a child over the icky fish :-O
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 30, 2017 at 11:52#1383600 likes
I have made plans and I know I will follow them through in the practical sense. But two things: to no longer desire an apology from others who have done wrong to me to face things as it is and not what I hope it would be.I think that is the only way you can find forgiveness.
Yes, yes, YES!! Drop all expectations (implied or applied) of anyone other than yourself and life becomes a lot less disappointing. ;)
And to say yes to the next guy who blatantly asks me out (it is always out of the blue and so random that I tend to freak out) but only to give them a chance to redeem themselves.
How often do you think a couple married for 23 years, together for 27 years, have intercourse in a year?
1095 times.
>:O Just joking. Assuming you got married at 23, you're both old people now (relatively :P ). Even if you wanted to do it 3 times a day, you would not be able to.
So more accurate guess is less than 52 times a year.
Nice name (Y) . I should let you dub my pups. Parents both Poms.
Both of my Rottweiler's carry the breeders last name until we breed and then the pups will be our own name if we change them and I am not sure that I will since their blood line is pure and papered. Princess Kahlua will breed to Prince Bailey Von Reisig and then we will have PUPPIES!! My Mom was a breeder of Champion Lhasa Apso dogs for 20yrs and has whelped 18 litters, biggest litter was her first of 10 pups and her smallest litter was 5 pups. In the 20 yrs she lost two pups, one was stillborn and the other passed soon after birth despite all efforts to save the pup. So when Princess Kahlua has her pups, Mom is going to be right here, I mean RIGHT here.
How exciting!!! What a way to begin the new year!!!
How many are you going to keep? O:)
Notwithstanding the fact that I don't actually have a sexual life (let's be honest, farkin), I see absolutely no qualms in telling your doctor that you copulated 365 times in the back of a vehicle as a form of gratification for both you for receiving this gift and, well, hopefully you for the copulation. It is a total win-win situation. As Hanover would say, I'm jelly.
Amateurs. Sex is to be had on the hood of the car.
Sex shouldn't be had in the trunk (or as the Brits say, "boot") because most trunks are filled with junk and it can also be quite uncomfortable.
Pickled Herring, Apricot Brandy at the stroke of Midnight on New Year's Eve has been a tradition in my family since before I was born. The pickled Herring was for a prosperous new year and the Brandy was for a healthy and vibrant new year.
Every New Year's my fam eats plum pudding, sexes it up on the car hood until the ball drops, and drinks Zima, the non-beer, until the mourners throw us out of the cemetary.
I thought of a new word that decribes just what I'm feeling: Inarticustupilackafecacleansia. It's that feeling you have when you've run out of stupid shit to say and you need to take a shower. I'm surprised there's not already a word for it.
And to say yes to the next guy who blatantly asks me out (it is always out of the blue and so random that I tend to freak out) but only to give them a chance to redeem themselves.
What if he says "I fink yore hot" when he asks you out? Will you still go out with him?
Yeah, I've seen several English sites refer to this but it's incorrect. There's no preserving liquid involved where it concerns Hollandse Nieuwe. Intestines are removed except for the pancreas which causes a continued ripening process. It's salted and usually served with onions. Only the onions have an effect similar to pickling but they're optional.
I've been trying to follow this conversation, but I keep getting lost. Explain again please, when does the herring become the body of Christ?
Yeah, I've seen several English sites refer to this but it's incorrect. There's no preserving liquid involved where it concerns Hollandse Nieuwe. Intestines are removed except for the pancreas which causes a continued ripening process. It's salted and usually served with onions. Only the onions have an effect similar to pickling but they're optional.
Speaking of Dutch seafood, my brother and I visited Europe together in 2014. We stayed in Amsterdam for two days and then went off to the Alsace and Black Forest areas ending up our last day in Noordwijk aan Zee on the North Sea. It was cool and very blustery, but pleasant for walking on the beach.
We had oysters there that were the strongest tasting I've ever had, although they were completely fresh. I love raw oysters, but they were a little too much for me. Those Dutch are a tough bunch.
I really love the Netherlands. Makes an engineer feel right at home.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 30, 2017 at 21:56#1384860 likes
Every New Year's my fam eats plum pudding, sexes it up on the car hood until the ball drops, and drinks Zima, the non-beer, until the mourners throw us out of the cemetary.
Every family's different I guess.
It wasn't non-beer in those Zima bottles it was pure Moonshine and you know it. How are you going to eat your Herring when the clock strikes midnight?
Deleted UserDecember 31, 2017 at 01:11#1385710 likes
Pickled fish may help some people to lose weight without any fancy diet.
So let's just flesh this out right now with a single question and a single numerical answer:
How often do you think a couple married for 23 years, together for 27 years, have intercourse in a year?
Ok, so if we calculate 23 years of at least twice a week - bare minimum in a marriage, surely - we would have (156 x 23), plus the first three years of at least twice a day all over the house, potentially in the garage, rolling around in the backyard, on the roof (3 x 730), and for arguments sake your new years resolution of everyday in the backseat of the car so (365), which will mean: (3588 + 2190 + 365) = 6143 over the span of 28 years.
I gather you never had the need to pay for a gym membership.
What if he says "I fink yore hot" when he asks you out? Will you still go out with him?
... before pretending to drop something on the floor and doing an awkward bent-over row movement as he gently collects it and accidentally notices how wonderfully his biceps just flexed?
Sorry, but I don't want to be with a guy who looks like a designer, leather purse full of walnuts.
Ok, wait, a promise is a promise, a resolution is a resolution, but surely we are intelligent enough to forecast?
at least twice a week - bare minimum in a marriage, surely
That may be quite a lot for some people since sex is tiring. Men often want to be lazy and sit with a beer watching a football match with their friends - not have sex >:O
That may be quite a lot for some people since sex is tiring
And for Heavens sake: after two decades what haven't you tried to spice things up?
Roleplay, BDSM, 9.5 Weeks reenactment, hood of the Trans Am on the top level of the Airport parking garage at night, phone sex, dirty talk, hammock breaks, elevator sex, threesomes, sexting, pool frolicking, naked snow angels, on the edge of the world on the Mogollon Rim certain death if pushed too far, on the roof of City Hall....
How are you going to eat your Herring when the clock strikes midnight?
As to where I'll enjoy my herring, I''m not sure whose car it will be in yet, but definately it'll be enjoyed in the front seat. I don't care how tidy one keeps their trunk, I must refuse.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 31, 2017 at 14:33#1386670 likes
As to where I'll enjoy my herring, I''m not sure whose car it will be in yet, but definately it'll be enjoyed in the front seat.
Enjoyed and herring in one sentence -----ughhhh
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 31, 2017 at 14:52#1386680 likes
Happy New Year to my fellow 'thinkers'!
Not everyone who started the year with us, are here with us now and to those we raise our glass in good memory~ We wish the new folks who have found us, a warm welcome with open arms, open minds and we raise our glass in thanks for you being here. To those fortunate enough to have gained a wealth of wisdom in staying here, together through another year, we wish you good health, a hungry mind and a peace within yourself that if you lose track of, we will help you find again.
In good health and good times, I wish all of us a Happy New Year and an awesome embrace of 2018.
Deleted UserDecember 31, 2017 at 15:10#1386720 likes
Happy End of 2017! It isn't quite 2018 yet. :P
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 31, 2017 at 15:11#1386730 likes
Warm {{{Huggs}}} to those who are open to them~ 8-)
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 31, 2017 at 15:12#1386750 likes
So true! 2017 can kiss my ass! Go on...get goin... O:)
schopenhauer1December 31, 2017 at 17:56#1387090 likes
I'm liking the bird trend. Keep it up. We have a good mix of birds here, but we can add a few more. Cardinals are clearly the best though being as I am one. Chirp chirp.
Noble DustDecember 31, 2017 at 18:54#1387200 likes
That may be quite a lot for some people since sex is tiring. Men often want to be lazy and sit with a beer watching a football match with their friends - not have sex >:O
What would I know, I am a Vestal Child (Hendrix Paradox... with Peer Gynt music instead)... the unmarried, unadultered and undefiled who talks naughty. Tiff is a bad influence, so bad that she has now officially put me off marriage.
Nevertheless! I know you want a designer marriage that paints a portrait of nuclear perfection, but what on earth makes you think your wifey would not want to be there watching the football too and then if your team wins, to have a bit of a celebratory rumpy-pumpy in the closet?
what on earth makes you think your wifey would not want to be there watching the football too and then if your team wins, to have a bit of a celebratory rumpy-pumpy in the closet?
>:O - that is a possibility, but then most women around here don't like watching football too much - so I wouldn't bet on it. When they do, it's typically just to please the guy. Though obviously there are some exceptions.
Why would the celebration occur in the closet? That's a weird place for celebrations... do you often celebrate stuff there? :P
Wilson and Friday wish a Happy New year to you all. Everyone is welcome to stay on the island for a day, then Robinson comes back and doesn't want to be disturbed.
Reply to StreetlightX Nice. We played rude-word scrabble and cracked jokes, had popcorn with Ben Harper in the background, watched the fire works on TV, said happy new year and went to sleep. BUT, I woke up to this:
When they do, it's typically just to please the guy. Though obviously there are some exceptions
I resent this.
I used to play forward when I was young and the youngest girl in the senior state team, but I had to leave when I turned 17 for personal reasons. Soccer was my escapism during tough times when I was young and sure, maybe it was just my way to get close to and impress my older brother, but I still love it nonetheless. You formulate ideal generalisations that fabricate false categories as an image to articulate a faux 'reality' - an image that you follow to make you appear to be someone that can largely be understood.
Are you not suggesting that this whole "guy thing with beer and friends" is not an image of masculinity and that it is you who is trying to please the men you have with you? Is the woman supposed to be in the kitchen making lemonade that she will serve to you all? Does it mean that because - as a woman - I like soccer that somehow I am forfeiting my femininity?
No. I can watch a football match, cry out when Ronaldinho does something right, and I can do so while knitting and drinking a fucking cup of green tea with a slice of lemon if I want to.
I don't know, maybe it is because of this long drive back home right now and the nausea of sitting in the back seat that is making me all inarticustupilackafecacleansia, but if we remove this image people formulate to make sense of others, we would attain the freedom and autonomy to enjoy the world as it is.
All you need is someone who shares the same virtues - who is loyal, intelligent, good-natured - but what makes a relationship interesting is the differences, the individuality. I would hate to be with a mindless person who copies me or follows this social image. Imagine trying to have a conversation with such a person? It would be painful.
If you formulate an ideal, if your parents approve, your friends approve, and it looks right, you will be miserable.
Supermoons rise on the first and last days in January 2018, the last one featuring a total lunar eclipse and blue moon, visible in some parts of the U.S...portentous or what?
Perhaps my solipsistic thread is too solipsistic. No replies. *Despairs*
I would hop on you solo solipsistic soul train but I am just too busy being me to boss all the nonentities I once spawned and who now linger on. I have spawned throngs. I comprise worlds.
But then, if I listen to you, wouldn't that be listening to not-so-real voices? I mean, how do I know you exist?
I gather that this would not be the first time that not-so-real voices has been a problem for you. As for whether I am, or anybody here including you is real is a long-standing problem. It is possible that we are all merely sub-routines in an Amazon server farm somewhere near a large hydroelectric facility. When the rivers run dry, we will cease to exist.
I gather that this would not be the first time that not-so-real voices has been a problem for you. As for whether I am, or anybody here including you is real is a long-standing problem. It is possible that we are all merely sub-routines in an Amazon server farm somewhere near a large hydroelectric facility. When the rivers run dry, we will cease to exist.
You formulate ideal generalisations that fabricate false categories as an image to articulate a faux 'reality' - an image that you follow to make you appear to be someone that can largely be understood.
Not really, I just tell you what I've noticed. Many of the guys I know complain that their gfs don't want to watch football with them very much.
Are you not suggesting that this whole "guy thing with beer and friends" is not an image of masculinity and that it is you who is trying to please the men you have with you? Is the woman supposed to be in the kitchen making lemonade that she will serve to you all? Does it mean that because - as a woman - I like soccer that somehow I am forfeiting my femininity?
I didn't say any of these, I just made a general observation. It doesn't follow from a general observation that women are supposed to be like this or otherwise, since watching football isn't a moral issue, so there are no oughts involved. There are some women who like it, most that I know don't like it very much. It depends on the person.
I just made a general observation. It doesn't follow from a general observation that women are supposed to be like this or otherwise, since watching football isn't a moral issue, so there are no oughts involved.
Your general observation was that some women only watch soccer to please guys. It is that suggestion that irked me; are you saying that you - by drinking beer and watching football - are not also trying to please guys?
Agu: "Say my wife asks me to shave my beard, and stop looking like a hobo, despite me liking to look like one. I'll probably shave it because it ain't such a big deal and it makes her happy - why not? Am I suddenly not rational, autonomous, bla bla bla if I don't? There's compromises that have to be made, and it's rational to make them. I like having a beard and looking like a hobo, but my wife doesn't and I also want to make my wife happy - so that's why I choose to shave it off."
Reply to Agustino It is ambiguous, but I gather you meant it as a shortened version of "what would you say if" - but in light of this ambiguity, I interpreted that your wife was real and the hypothetical was the beard in that sentence.
If I say: "Say I go to the moon and look for gold" does that mean I'm an astronaut? Or if I say: "Say I sell $1000 worth of gold, and reinvest the money in something very profitable" does it mean I have $1000 worth of gold?
It is ambiguous, but I gather you meant it as a shortened version of "what would you say if" - but in light of this ambiguity, I interpreted that your wife was real and the hypothetical was the beard.
Okay, well, I meant it as a hypothetical example. Like we sometimes say "if you ride a bike too much, your chances of getting testicular cancer will increase" - of course, we don't really mean "you" specifically. The "you" there is just the placeholder for the hypothetical person. So in my sentence, "I" is the placeholder for that hypothetical person.
Or if I say: "Say I sell $1000 worth of gold, and reinvest the money in something very profitable" does it mean I have $1000 worth of gold?
You can possibly. If you said $1 million, I would have my doubts. Anyhoot, all this appears to be a deliberate attempt to divert the attention away by changing the subject. Fun though.
Work is insane lately. Its hard to explain what I do, but we deal a lot with emergency and mandatory services, where the client has to offer 24/7 service. One group of such clients are propane and oil delivery services. And we are having an insane cold snap here in Canada in the last 2 weeks. We are also on seriously reduced staff because of holidays which should never have been granted and 2 workers getting fired a week before the holidays (although for good reasons).
But still. When I get screamed at by a little old lady on the 31st of December at 9h00pm because her 600L tank is at 1/3 and she wont get a delivery for 2 days... >:)
We are also on seriously reduced staff because of holidays which should never have been granted and 2 workers getting fired a week before the holidays (although for good reasons).
Just focus on the more joyful or interesting things, like this. I wonder what happened!
Moral question just going on the above, @T Clark you may be able to help.
There was this guy that once was not so nice to me and though I have forgiven and moved on, I found out recently from someone who knows his girlfriend that she has cheated on him and he doesn't know about it. I am deeply troubled by this and I actually feel very sorry for him because I think he sacrificed a number of his best years for her and she is just manipulating him. He has a very powerful disposition too, the only man who has ever made me feel like he could control me (probably why I hated him so much) and no doubt she is lying because it would be very dangerous if he found out.
I thought about why I am troubled; why should I care? I am angry that I was given this information when I really do not care and I am so damn happy that I am moving away from the suburb I currently live in, but getting to the morality here at atomic level, is the concern, this deep trouble, actually a facade for what is essentially pleasurable? I want to ensure the authenticity of this motive of mine and I just cannot help but shake off this possibility.
Here's what I think, and I'm never wrong. It annoys, troubles, and confuses you how other people can casually fuck around, jump from person to person, and have a thriving romantic life while taking nothing terribly seriously, while you are limited to watching it from the sidelines when it is you who are doing everything right.
I mean, why does she get this pretty decent guy, and you don't, while you tolerated and dealt with his bullshit, and she's screwing around on him yet has him?
That's what's bothering you. It's not fair
If you want a bf, be overt. Get online and post that you're looking for a bf. Either that or go out with the next random guy who asks you out and try to make it work. I'd choose A.
Reply to Hanover No, it is not that. I asked to be a moderator, I am not averse to getting what I want and what I am right now is what I want. What bothers me is the potential that I find the fact that a guy who has done wrong to me has now been wronged and whether this concern I am feeling is actually pleasurable hiding behind a moral facade.
Geez, that was a really bad assessment that I almost oscillated to a level of disdain for you. Temporary. I returned back to my loving affection quickly, but there nevertheless.
I thought about why I am troubled; why should I care? I am angry that I was given this information when I really do not care and I am so damn happy that I am moving away from the suburb I currently live in, but getting to the morality here at atomic level, is the concern, this deep trouble, actually a facade for what is essentially pleasurable? I want to ensure the authenticity of this motive of mine and I just cannot help but shake off this possibility.
Emotional reactions to display of infidelity are some of the most vivid and most incomprehensible emotions I have ever felt. Hatred, contempt, disregard, lewdness... How the hell do one goes from knowing at the tender age of 10 that they would never cheat on anyone, to fantasizing about hotwives?
I know it doesn't help, but if anything, you aren't the only one who gets these weird feelings.
What bothers me is the potential that I find the fact that a guy who has done wrong to me is now wronged and whether this concern is actually pleasure.
Well, there's worse things than taking pleasure in karmic retribution.
Reply to Hanover As an authority of myself, I know that I am not. I thrive in the brutality of honesty and have no patience for someone who is projecting his own disappointed desires by attempting to make me feel uncomfortable for my choices by telling me to be "overt and get online" what, with you?
Well, there's worse things than taking pleasure in karmic retribution.
I recently gave money to a man who was standing barefoot and completely filthy talking on a public telephone, likely to no one, and I was motivated to give him money because there were two young men sitting close-by and were looking at him in a way that I knew they were finding him funny and that disturbed me. I wanted them to see that - being their age and dressed pretty cool - it was wrong to be so judgemental, that they should have empathy. I was compelled more by that 'lesson' then the actual man. I have given money to this man many times before but the motivation there made me question myself for a moment. While the intention may be honourable, if my focal was on the boys and not the man, then what exactly happens to empathy? It was more rational, like publicity, rather than empathetic. It is enough to make me believe that the morality behind that decision was moot; it was just ethical.
You have no idea how atomic my assessment of motive goes and whether there are worse things out there is irrelevant if my subjective moral qualities are in question.
Emotional reactions to display of infidelity are some of the most vivid and most incomprehensible emotions I have ever felt. Hatred, contempt, disregard, lewdness... How the hell do one goes from knowing at the tender age of 10 that they would never cheat on anyone, to fantasizing about hotwives?
I think the reason why this guy is aggressive and frustrated as a person is because he is making a considerable effort and sacrifice for his girlfriend and the people around him, so I do feel sorry for him since his best years were given to someone that has convinced him she has eyes only for him.
I think that is why I am feeling anxious, the vanity or the idea of giving so much to someone who is capable of pretending for her own selfish reasons - likely because she is afraid - by manipulation. It is not the cheating, really, but rather the manipulation, the capacity to look at someone and tell them something that isn't true. It is seriously fucked up.
While the intention may be honourable, if my focal was on the boys and not the man, then what exactly happens to empathy?
You still ended up acting per the need of the person, and not per your need to teach those kids a lesson (or if you did, you took a terrible way of acheiving that goal).
How can you distinguish between showing off as a reason to act and showing off as an incentive to the action? I don't think I would trust my own ratiocinations. That's the origins of the dumb "people are only ever altruist for selfish reasons".
Who can say other than you? Via your description, it sounds like you're pure of heart (self-doubt/reservations and all). But, given the fact that you wanted to post about it here, that could mean 1) you are indeed pure of heart, and so disturbed that you felt the need to seek a second opinion anywhere you could; the TPF in this case, or 2) you subconsciously know that you do indeed derive pleasure from seeing someone who hurt you go through pain, and, in order to legitimize this subconscious knowledge, you posted the dilemma here with the caveat of you being seemingly pure of heart in order to (subconsciously) legitimize the pleasure you derive from seeing that person in anguish. This would be a way of rationalizing the pleasure.
2) you subconsciously know that you do indeed derive pleasure from seeing someone who hurt you go through pain, and, in order to legitimize this subconscious knowledge, you posted the dilemma here with the caveat of you being seemingly pure of heart in order to (subconsciously) legitimize the pleasure you derive from seeing that person in anguish. This would be a way of rationalizing the pleasure.
Think about how you may feel if you were told that a person you know has been cheated on; that information instantly places you into an uncomfortable situation.
I do make it my prerogative to interrogate all possible or likely Epicurean scenarios and I have noticed in others a superficiality behind their reactions to moral situations, a very conformed publicity of behaviour that I believe Camus was attempting to clarify in The Outsider. Being conscious of that, however, does not suddenly make me immune to it.
When we experience something pleasurable, our mind instantly desires a continuity of this feeling because of the sensation inasmuch as it avoids feelings of angst, and I know that when I see something bad I both avoid or ignore it and desire humour or comedy more than usual. The fact that I found out and it has constantly been on my mind makes me concerned, but I believe that the primary reason it is on my mind is the anticipation. It is a negative anticipation, though, because I feel anxiety when I think about it and the anticipation itself is the probable scenarios of what will happen when he finds out, which I am sure will not be good (I am thinking whore of Babylon, apocalyptic scenarios here). I am wishing I was never told because I don't like the feeling.
As for my reasoning behind posting it here, there have been times that I am shocked when unconscious truths suddenly float to the surface and so I am well aware that I am capable of deceiving myself. I speak openly of personal concerns here because of the anonymity is allows, to hear the wisdom others can offer, and the brutality or opposing suggestions it can offer until I can flesh out the unlikely.
I also do not believe in this "pure of heart" but rather a rational attempt to dissect my own moral worthiness.
Think about how you may feel if you were told that a person you know has been cheated on; that information instantly places you into an uncomfortable situation.
It does; I've been there. He knew, too, and he was one of my closest friends. I've also been on the other end of the spectrum, where one of my closest friends side-swiped me and took the girl I was interested in. Not to mention a few other scenarios that I'd rather not bring up on the interwebs. So? The personal emotions do tend to cloud our view of the reality; that's what I was trying to suggest as a possibility in the scenario you presented with my 2). I could be wrong. When this soap opera stuff happens, we tend to find the most pleasure in the enumeration of what happens, and in clearing ourselves of all wrong.
Also, the main thrust of my point 2) there was that this was someone who hurt you. You asking me to put myself in your shoes and consider "how you may feel if you were told that a person you know has been cheated on" doesn't take into account the issue of this person being someone who hurt you. The issue of whether you derive any pleasure from the situation appears to be on this exact basis; it was someone who hurt you (or at least was "once not so nice" to you).
The grounds for my belief in my own virtue. It is easy to follow a system or image and show the world that we are good people because we are obedient, but what relevance is that if our subjective intent or will is merely to be congratulated by others? Other people do not define me and whilst epistemically I am mostly through this social determinism, I work hard to take advantage of the cognitive tools that enable conscious autonomy from society.
The personal emotions do tend to cloud our view of the reality; that's what I was trying to suggest as a possibility in the scenario you presented with my 2).
It can be even deeper than that, where you can actually make yourself believe in a lie that you tell yourself because the angst is unbearable. That is an extreme, I know, but sometimes we do work in the shadows of this extreme.
The issue of whether you derive any pleasure from the situation appears to be on this exact basis; it was someone who hurt you (or at least was "once not so nice" to you).
I initially wrote that but I decided to delete it because as I was writing you, I actually said I instantly forgave his wrongdoing when I found out that his girlfriend cheated on him to justify my sympathy for him. That is a pretty disturbing thing to say, as though satisfied that he is now punished for his former behaviour. I don't think he deserves it, to be honest, and upon reflection he never really did anything bad to me either, it was just behavioural.
The grounds for my belief in my own virtue. It is easy to follow a system or image and show the world that we are good people because we are obedient, but what relevance is that if our subjective intent or will is merely to be congratulated by others? Other people do not define me and whilst epistemically I am mostly through this social determinism, I work hard to take advantage of the cognitive tools that enable conscious autonomy from society.
I initially wrote that but I decided to delete it because as I was writing you, I actually said I instantly forgave his wrongdoing when I found out that his girlfriend cheated on him to justify my sympathy for him. That is a pretty disturbing thing to say, as though satisfied that he is now punished for his former behaviour. I don't think he deserves it, to be honest, and upon reflection he never really did anything bad to me either, it was just behavioural.
Again, only you know the answer there, but that sounds like what I was describing with 2).
If "The grounds for [your] belief in [your] own virtue" are what constitute your moral worthiness (but not mine? Does my moral worthiness come into play there, or no?), then what's stopping me from having different moral grounds which conflict with yours? What if cheating is ok, based on the grounds of my belief in my own virtue? And if these grounds conflict, and the conflict is ok, then what predicates the value of your moral grounds vs. mine?
Also, '"The grounds for [your] belief in [your] own virtue" are what constitute your moral worthiness' is circulatory, which is actually the main issue with your argument, I think.
If "The grounds for [your] belief in [your] own virtue" are what constitute your moral worthiness (but not mine? Does my moral worthiness come into play there, or no?), then what's stopping me from having different moral grounds which conflict with yours? What if cheating is ok, based on the grounds of my belief in my own virtue? And if these grounds conflict, and the conflict is ok, then what predicates the value of your moral grounds vs. mine?
Your moral worthiness is yours. By transcending society or through transcendental freedom, you enable the primacy of autonomy and free-will where you develop a personal system of self-regulation (your own moral laws) that motivate you to act. Knowledge is merely a negotiation or interaction with the external world that develops the language that will articulate and ground your values. Without the freedom of the will, though, you are trapped in an impression of consciousness where you identify with and are influenced by others vis-a-vis moral conduct. Aside from the categorical imperative, given that more than one person agrees that such conduct is morally true does not authenticate the substance, the will, the motivation and only this intrinsic quality enables any genuine worth to virtue.
It is not nihilism, but a transcendence from nihilism to rationalism.
Knowledge is merely a negotiation or interaction with the external world that develops the language that will articulate and ground your values. Without the freedom of the will, though, you are trapped in an impression of consciousness where you identify with and are influenced by others vis-a-vis moral conduct. Aside from the categorical imperative, given that more than one person agrees that such conduct is morally true does not authenticate the substance, the will, the motivation and only this intrinsic quality enables any genuine worth to virtue.
Worker A was the most unpleasant lady I have ever met in my life. Just absolutely bitter in every worst ways possible. In almost 3 years of service with our corporation, I have never heard say anything not mean or cruel or sarcastic, and I'm not going into hyperbole. While everyone had problems with her, and she had problems with everybody, she was especially cruel to the cleaning staff. At first I thought she was racist but she singled out one of the nicest lady that clean in our office and started calling her trash and spilling stuff on the ground when she would see her. About 2 months ago that lady stopped coming in to work, and we just learned a while ago that it was because worker A had assaulted her when they met on the bus by (bad) luck. Apparently it took that long for HR to realise worker A was just a terrible person and a liability.
Worker B was somewhat my fault. I mean, I don't feel any guilt whatsoever, but I still feel shitty he got canned 2 weeks before Christmas. Very long story short, I caught worker B in a flagrant lie a little less than a year ago. On a non work-related, but in a work context, and in public. I should've let go, but since it wasn't the first time and I was just really aggravated, I called him out on it. Ever since, he's been making bogus complaints to HR about me harrassing him. At first HR was forced to investigate every reports, assume they were true, and then act on them. That really wasn't fun for me. So I did absolutely everything I could to remove myself from any situation where I had to have contact with Worker B, haven't actually spoken to him in about 6-7 months. Since the complaints kept coming, one of the directors flew in and spoke to me about it. I think he realized pretty well that there was no grounds to any of the stuff in the complaints (or whatever was real had been so heavily deformed that it didn't constitute anything that could be reprimanded) because I came back from a long vacation to learn that my boss had decided to fire Worker B.
As an authority of myself, I know that I am not. I thrive in the brutality of honesty and have no patience for someone who is projecting his own disappointed desires by attempting to make me feel uncomfortable for my choices by telling me to be "overt and get online" what, with you?
Careful now, I do bite.
Not real sure where all that comes from, even should I have misread your initial question and read in some degree of hostile attraction to the antagonist (which makes a far better story btw), but I do agree with the basic proposition that a universal cure all of all ills is abandoning one's self to me. I didn't suggest that here though, not at least this time.
No it's not; if it is, I can do whatever I like, no matter how morally heinous.
That is why we have the categorical imperative, universal moral laws that are supreme to our autonomy, pretty much a beefed up version of the Golden Rule. As for the rest, here, read, I am on the tram and I really cannot be bothered writing on this phone anymore. Ill get to the rest when I get home in a couple of hours.
Yes, but can you do something you recognize as morally heinous and not recognize yourself as someone who is capable of morally heinous act?
Not within Reply to TimeLine's concept of my moral worthiness being only my own, no. If I dictate my own moral worthiness, then nothing I do could be too morally unworthy or too morally worthy.
I was merely being reciprocal, though I will ensure that I avoid this should the rage of 500,000 scoville heat units be ignited. While abandoning my will to the whims of a man is almost next to impossible, the idea has - just now - kindled a rather primitive and instinctual desire in me and I am officially disturbed. You do have a way.
If I dictate my own moral worthiness, then nothing I do could be too morally unworthy or too morally worthy.
Perhaps you are assuming too much freedom in the possibility to direct morality? Perhaps, once you start dictating terms of moral worthiness, you necessarily end up (perhaps after quite a bit of work) at the same result?
While everyone had problems with her, and she had problems with everybody, she was especially cruel to the cleaning staff.
People are assholes but that lady sounds psychotic. It was clear that she desired power and she selectively chose a kind and vulnerable person that she was capable of antagonising. It is the violence of a bully - whether physical or psychological - that can have a profound affect on a person and I really hope that lady is not severely injured. While you may have not had the best experience with B, I am still of the opinion that whenever you see such bad behaviour - even if not directed to you - report it to HR so they have it on file. They don't need to act, but the more reports that flow through about a given person, the more likely they can manage and/or root out such behaviour long before injuries.
Here is to hoping that you have the best 2018 without such people.
I don't know; are you responding to the scenario I wrote there, or to what you think my moral position actually is? I can't really respond properly until I know.
I don't know; are you responding to the scenario I wrote there, or to what you think I moral position actually is? I can't really respond properly until I know.
I've always thought a person's true moral worth is how they treat animals when nobody's looking.
Since working I've added how they treat people of lower status than themselves. I've lost jobs twice for standing up against bosses who mistreated their employees. Unfortunately, it never changed a thing for the better (I do get to look myself in the mirror each day without shame, so that's a win). Now I'm keen on becoming a "boss" myself and getting it right as I think high morals inspire people and are an important aspect of motivation and pride in the work place and company culture. 2018 is hopefully the year I can get it done and I hope the realities of your own company doesn't mean I have to compromise and that I can live up to that ideal.
So, that said, do any of you have any ideas on developing a hiring process to get people who will speak up in the face of inequality and unfairness and will speak truth to power?
There was this guy that once was not so nice to me and though I have forgiven and moved on, I found out recently from someone who knows his girlfriend that she has cheated on him and he doesn't know about it. I am deeply troubled by this and I actually feel very sorry for him because I think he sacrificed a number of his best years for her and she is just manipulating him. He has a very powerful disposition too, the only man who has ever made me feel like he could control me (probably why I hated him so much) and no doubt she is lying because it would be very dangerous if he found out.
How do you know this is the truth though? Maybe she didn't cheat. I mean unless you saw it yourself, then it will always remain somewhat doubtful in my mind. People usually spread lots of lies.
So, that said, do any of you have any ideas on developing a hiring process to get people who will speak up in the face of inequality and unfairness and will speak truth to power?
I liked your post, Benkei, and think you're right to associate ethical leadership with long-term business success. Contrary to what many people assume, the two are entirely compatible.
In general I think people want to be a part of something special, something in which their own interests are aligned with the interests of others, and they want to work collectively on providing something that benefits the larger community, even if only in mundane ways. The profits will come IMO if the other things are in place, assuming of course that you have a product or service that people want. I run a restaurant, for example, and if the food wasn't good then even the most progressive, employee-friendly culture, combined with the best service imaginable, wouldn't matter and we'd be out of business.
I've worked for complete assholes quite a few times in my life, unfortunately, who treat their employees, vendors, and, on occasion, even their customers like crap, yet some are very successful because of their knowledge of quality food and their ability to execute every essential aspect of the business consistently. So being a good person isn't enough, you also have to be skilled at what you do.
Anyhow, I think one very important thing to do would be to lay out the company culture you're trying to implement to prospective employees during the (thorough) hiring process. Tell them up front what type of person you're looking for, what the goals of the company are, what you expect from them, what they should expect from you, etc. Make it as transparent as possible so they can be held accountable if you decide to give them a shot. This will likely weed out those who may not share your values or your overall outlook.
In addition to those generalities I guess I'd have to get more info on the specific type of business you're planning on operating before offering more pedestrian advice. I assumed you were an attorney.
Reply to Erik Thanks for your ideas on this. I'm planning on getting a good HR manager in the board. Although I have a bit of a grasp on motivation psychology as a personal interest, organizational psychology is different. And with a startup you're hoping for rapid growth so you need an HR strategy to support that if it happens.
The type of company would be a financial services company involved in the clearing of transactions. I'm still in the process of defining the functional requirements for an IT system to do a particular thing no other company can (and probably won't think off). Should be done before February and then I'm (and my 2 partners) going to need an investor to take it forward.
Nothing legal just a creative idea that needs brilliant execution to work and therefore we will need brilliant programmers and connectivity specialists. If it works we'll be saving billions and the benefits will flow down to ordinary citizens. It's socially relevant too, which basically makes it a dream for me... I'm totally hyped about it! :D
So, that said, do any of you have any ideas on developing a hiring process to get people who will speak up in the face of inequality and unfairness and will speak truth to power?
This is fantastic and you are already setting the cultural foundation by being conscious of this, hopefully not merely for your own protection but for the health and well being of your employees. I have always believed in equality and while there is a hierarchical structure in business (for which each person is adequately compensated), equality of respect is so important, like recognising your cleaners by asking them to come along to the christmas party. Those little things matter because workplace culture is the most important aspect to prevention of such health and safety concerns.
I did quite a bit while I completed my masters in human rights law on liability and workplace rights and in particular bullying legislation and policy changes in my state and from experience I would recommend, that you ensure all induction or on-boarding includes signed completion of training modules relating to sexual harassment and bullying. I have found that many people are not even aware of what bullying actually is, that it can be direct or indirect, deliberately excluding, giving too much work or too little, belittling or humiliating etc, but the most important is that sometimes it is not obvious. This should be renewed every twelve months (the training). You should also set standards through a code of conduct and workplace policies as well as regularly provide or give access to resources, which should include response procedures and reporting mechanisms. This should also include effective management practices. I also think having representatives who work for you as "culture people" that should form relationships with HR so that they can work on the ground to promote a positive culture, but also be there as a potential person for staff to voice their concerns. This is usually more for medium-sized business, but it can be scaled down as I take it you are not starting a large company. And, employing good staff. That is the hardest bit but write particular questions in your interviews that addresses how they view things like equality. Finally, a system of openness where people should feel comfortable addressing issues without being ostracised; an effective reporting system of any issues, for instance, and being proactive in your duty of care. Good culture is a trickle down process, which means leadership team need to be responsible and effective.
As for leadership, I am learning that all new myself and it can be tough. I have found, though, that being down to earth and warm, and just being relaxed is enough to make people feel comfortable to be open with me. I talk about personal things and am open to emails (I work nationally so people I work with are across the country) or 'Friday Feels' where we share funny stories and good news stories about family and achievements etc. A lot of people worry that you need to act as a leader, to be a certain way in order to be effective, but I found that I can use my qualities of introversion and kindness to my own advantage rather than try to fabricate an assertive or distant leader, which will cause me stress and then I would start doing the wrong things. I have been told that when people come to my place, they really feel at "home" or comfortable and I bring the same comfort to people at work, a type of effortless and relaxed manner. That is because I am being myself. You should too.
Reply to Benkei Ooh that sounds like a great plan! Best of luck to you and your partners. And yes, definitely create the type of exceptional company culture right from the start that draws in talented people, preferably the type who aren't completely obsessed over money at the expense of those 'higher' values that the team you're endeavoring to create will be inspired by. They're out there, I think, just waiting for an opportunity to work for a company whose values and ideals are congenial to their own. But, to re-emphasize, the money will likely come in abundance if those other non-quantifiable aspects are in place. That's the paradox of running a successful business which "number crunchers" are often oblivious to, at least in my experience.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 02, 2018 at 11:48#1392440 likes
Nothing legal just a creative idea that needs brilliant execution to work and therefore we will need brilliant programmers and connectivity specialists.
Benkei, it goes without saying that if you have a need for connectivity specialist here in the states, NicK is available. (Y)
TimeLine offered a lot of solid advice above. There are some interesting and extremely complex issues when it comes to authority and hierarchy in the workplace. The authority can be benevolent in striving to create a positive, inclusive, more democratically-inclined culture, but ultimately, in my experience, there has to be some authority, and a certain level of respect for the company leadership from lower level employees. It may be different in other occupations, where you have different types or a different quality of worker, but I'd be pretty surprised if that were so.
So there's a fine line between, on the one hand, valuing your employees on a personal level, along with the important contributions they'll make to your company beyond just following orders and going through the motions, and on the other hand, maybe allowing them a bit too much freedom to say or do what they feel like, which can quickly descend to a lack of respect for the leadership for being spineless. It's tough to articulate the golden mean there, but I think it's essential to get the right type of employees at the start through that exhaustive background check, the interview process, laying out the company's goals and values, and the like. That way you'll prevent major headaches before they have a chance to arise, because if they do they'll occupy a lot of your time and energy.
In all honesty, even here at TPF there are some really smart people who IMO would likely make lousy employees if their position involved working within a team. I say this not only for the likes of Agustino >:O but also (especially?!) for some who adhere--at least in the abstract--to extremely progressive political and social positions. It's a rare human being, even among the best, who can embody a sense of justice and fairness without these being at least slightly affected by their own biases and interests--in other words their ego--and an employee who feels aggrieved in some way (through comparative pay, through what they feel is unfair scheduling, through a lack of what they perceive to be due recognition, or whatever else) can, no, WILL, become a toxic influence on the overall work environment.
In all honesty even here at TPF there are some really smart people who IMO would make lousy employees if their position involved working within a team. I say this not only for the likes of Agustino ( >:O) but also (especially?!) for some who adhere--at least in the abstract--to extremely progressive political and social positions.
Yes, actually that is one of the reasons why I found myself gravitating towards self-employment and now entrepreneurship. Working in a team often involves lots of petty politics ('Friday Feels', as TimeLine says) and other nonsense that I have no patience for. Pff - imagine me at a "Friday feel" - give me a break >:O
And this was ever since I was a child, growing up, in school, in University, and in work. I just couldn't work well in groups where things weren't clearly laid out.
I tend to be unable to work in a team when the roles aren't clear. For example, when I was 16-17 and I worked in construction as a laborer, I could work there because I knew that I don't take any decisions, I just execute them. And I was quite good at it, because unlike other employees I never complained about working conditions, I wasn't lazy, etc.
But I cannot bear being given some authority in decision-making, and hence bearing some responsibility for the outcome, and then have some twat ruin it because he wants to do it his way. If I'm given some authority, then I should have all of it. The body cannot have two heads.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 02, 2018 at 13:16#1392690 likes
Really now? There are some males that say quite the opposite! :D
>:O LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL... Yes, but those same males will tell you that when one head rules, the other is silent - so effectively, the body still has only one head ;)
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 02, 2018 at 13:22#1392720 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Which head is nicer to deal with do you think? One head seems to be quite dumb, so I imagine it's easy to trick it, but at the same time it's very energetic. The other head is lazier, and more calculated, so you have to reason with it. Seems like both have advantages and disadvantages - are higher energy and vigour preferable to greater intelligence and laziness?
Reply to TimeLine Thank you very much for this. It gives me a few handholds to think about solutions for this challenge. Luckily, I already have a headstart because my two partners are women. (Y) 8-)
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 02, 2018 at 13:37#1392750 likes
MMm the word "nicer" makes your question more complicated. Which head is easier to deal with? Now that I can tell you with absolute certainty, the lower head is MUCH easier to deal with. ;)
I don't think he deserves it, to be honest, and upon reflection he never really did anything bad to me either, it was just behavioural.
A curious thought. By “behavioral” do you mean something like unconsciously reactive? If so, are you suggesting that we’re less responsible for our more conditioned or habitual responses? I strongly disagree if that is the case.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff This response is rather confusing for me because which head is the lower one is relative... relative to whether the person is lying down, standing, etc. :-O
The type of company would be a financial services company involved in the clearing of transactions. I'm still in the process of defining the functional requirements for an IT system to do a particular thing no other company can (and probably won't think off). Should be done before February and then I'm (and my 2 partners) going to need an investor to take it forward.
In need of an investor? Welcome to the Shark Tank.
I have a business idea, but it would require Baden to "work" for me full time. Is there anyone out there who can "help" me along so that he'll be convinced to "do" what he needs to for my "business"?
This response is rather confusing for me because which head is the lower one is relative... relative to whether the person is lying down, standing, etc
Agustino, stand up on your own two feet and the head that is lower than your waist is the easier one to deal with. Do I need to have @Hanover make you a sketch? Maybe a doodle by @praxis or @TimeLine? Let me know what kind of visual aid you need.
How do you know this is the truth though? Maybe she didn't cheat. I mean unless you saw it yourself, then it will always remain somewhat doubtful in my mind. People usually spread lots of lies.
If one wants to know whether their girlfriend cheated on them, all they need to do is ask. You can always tell from the response someone gives you, or at least that something is up and eventually the truth comes out. Anyway, I was just interested in the morality of my reaction to the possibility of finding out someone I know has been cheated on.
If one wants to know whether their girlfriend cheated on them, all they need to do is ask.
:-O I don't see how that is true. Say I am a woman, and you ask me if your boyfriend cheated on you. I may say "oh, I definitely heard some rumours" and leave it at that because I like your boyfriend, and I want you to break up with him so that I can be with him in your place. So by all means "asking" isn't a good way to approach this problem.
So by all means "asking" isn't a good way to approach this problem.
That is a totally different arrangement because there is no dependency on trust as one would have in an intimate relationship. You are close enough and share enough to be open about these things and you can always tell when things are not right.
I do see where you are coming from, though. I know this guy who told his partner things about other women - like how they flirt with him and what not - as a so-called way of being open and honest in their relationship, but what he was saying about others was actually slander, they were untruths. Who knows what the motivation was behind that, maybe to try and pretend that he can be trustworthy, or to make her jealous, I don't know. People are complex and disturbing and forever fascinating.
That is a totally different arrangement because there is no dependency on trust as one would have in an intimate relationship. You are close enough and share enough to be open about these things and you can always tell when things are not right.
Hmmm, I don't think there is much "trust" in a relationship where cheating occurs. There are ways to catch people - similar tactics as were used by some of the Soviets >:) . If one day, for example, your boyfriend comes to you and says "TimeLine, I am very disappointed in you... Why did you cheat on me?!", then if you did cheat, you will be very tempted to admit to it than risk making your situation even worse by lying again. So even if he doesn't actually know that you cheated, by framing the question that way, he stands a good chance of finding out. However, such tactics do backfire in the case that you didn't cheat on him since your trust in him would be shaken, not to mention that you would be disappointed and upset at him.
I know this guy who told his partner things about other women - like how they flirt with him and what not - as a so-called way of being open and honest in their relationship, but what he was saying about others was actually slander, they were untruths. Who knows what the motivation was behind that, maybe to try and pretend that he can be trustworthy, or to make her jealous, I don't know.
(1) that helps "open up" his girl to the possibility of him cheating on her, so she gets used to it in advance.
(2) that makes her think he's really valuable and she can't afford to lose him.
(3) that makes her think that he tells her everything, so she will fully trust him.
If one day, for example, your boyfriend comes to you and says "TimeLine, I am very disappointed in you... Why did you cheat on me?!", then if you did cheat, you will be very tempted to admit to it than risk making your situation even worse by lying again.
Codswallop. If you asked your girlfriend whether she had cheated on you, the first thing she is going to do is deny it. However, first let there be some legitimacy before asking like you have detected her behaviour as different, that she has distanced herself from habits that you once did together, or where there is less physical contact and changes in how she dresses and does her hair etc, or signals that make you concerned. You should also accept the potential ramifications should your queries turn out false and it should be decided prior to asking whether that is a risk you are willing to take. She will forgive you for it.
We once had a forensic scientist speak to us about criminal behaviour and how to detect liars and it is more about how you ask in order to ascertain any irregularity in both the patterns of behaviour and their actual responses. That is why I said that if you are in an intimate relationship, the ability to detect these irregularities should be easier. You should question in a calm and inquisitive manner and not a vicious one and this will allow her to continue talking but the tone or manner of her voice will change. She may then have an awkward energy, like sitting still or just physically you can tell from her body that she is unusual. She could possibly have funny looks, her eyes in particular would move to the left or stare out.
To plan out her story, how to respond to the allegations, she would probably stop for a moment as she plans. If she blurts out nonsense (the best self-defence mechanism is reverse-psychology so she may start to blame or attack you and draw attention away) but that is obvious. A good liar faced with the immediacy of such anxiety would plan a story and then she would then use hand gestures like finger-pointing Clinton to try and solidify her story as 'truth'.
(1) that helps "open up" his girl to the possibility of him cheating on her, so she gets used to it in advance.
(2) that makes her think he's really valuable and she can't afford to lose him.
(3) that makes her think that he tells her everything, so she will fully trust him.
Shit, that's full on in a disturbing sort of way. :-#
Reply to Posty McPostface Dear Mr. Rogers is lucky he died before someone accused him of sexual misconduct 30 years earlier by patting them on the back (between the shoulder blades, with their winter coat on) as he told her to get the hell out of his neighborhood.
changes in how she dresses and does her hair etc, or signals that make you concerned.
"Like, before she wore her hair in a bun under a quaker bonnet with dark heavy mid-calf length dresses and brown work boots. Then all of a sudden she starts going out in miniskirts, fishnet stocking, spike heels, black leather bustiers, and a shaved head."
"Naturally, I was surprised," he reluctantly admitted.
"Darling" I queried. "What has happened to you? Was it something I said?"
Codswallop. If you asked your girlfriend whether she had cheated on you, the first thing she is going to do is deny it.
Of course, but you need to push it a bit more, and show that you are certain about it, then she will admit. Though it is true that it doesn't work on everyone. Some people will deny even if you have a movie of it and play it in front of them >:O
However, first let there be some legitimacy before asking like you have detected her behaviour as different, that she has distanced herself from habits that you once did together, or where there is less physical contact and changes in how she dresses and does her hair etc, or signals that make you concerned.
Hmm, I'm not sure if those actions are sufficient to grant you legitimacy for doing such a thing. It is true that they could be present if she is cheating, BUT they could also be present for a whole host of many other reasons which are often more probable. It also depends on what you know about their character, what they like, etc.
You should also accept the potential ramifications should your queries turn out false and it should be decided prior to asking whether that is a risk you are willing to take. She will forgive you for it.
I don't think she will forgive if she didn't do anything, I think she'd be horrified, and, even if she ends up forgiving, she will always remember it and use it against you. Overall, a TERRIBLE outcome if you happen to be wrong.
We once had a forensic scientist speak to us about criminal behaviour and how to detect liars and it is more about how you ask in order to ascertain any irregularity in both the patterns of behaviour and their actual responses. That is why I said that if you are in an intimate relationship, the ability to detect these irregularities should be easier. You should question in a calm and inquisitive manner and not a vicious one and this will allow her to continue talking but the tone or manner of her voice will change. She may then have an awkward energy, like sitting still or just physically you can tell from her body that she is unusual. She could possibly have funny looks, her eyes in particular would move to the left or stare out.
Forensic scientists usually operate within certain set frameworks, where such responses usually are highly indicative of lying or deception. But in regular interactions, such irregularities may just come from the fact that the person is feeling uncertain about their future, they're not sure about what they ought to do, they are not feeling particularly well at the time, etc. In other words, Bayesian probability ought to convince you that cheating is only one of the tiny possibilities for such behaviour. Now, as I said above, trust is important in a relationship. If you take actions which diminish trust, the relationship will fail. You cannot act on hunches, and suppositions, and possibilities. This is quite the opposite of forensic scientists, because trust is irrelevant there.
I don't think she will forgive if she didn't do anything, I think she'd be horrified, and, even if she ends up forgiving, she will always remember it and use it against you. Overall, a TERRIBLE outcome if you happen to be wrong.
I think that if you are suspicious or concerned that your girlfriend is cheating on you, you are already in a terrible predicament. Imagine living with that? Either she has, or you have a problem. Either way, fleshing this out is necessary and if the result is some issues between you, issues that can be resolved either by resolving them or breaking up, surely an actual outcome is better than holding back that misery you are feeling. This misery can manifest in many different ways too; I once met a man who had shut down and being on auto-pilot was completely controlled by his partner. It is disturbing how people tolerate unhappiness.
As for whether you are concerned about her, you should know whatever it is. However, going back to your three points about how a man manipulates a woman into trusting him, the whole makes her think that he tells her everything, so she will fully trust him, if he thinks he has her controlled, he may not suspect anything.
In that case, such people probably deserve each other.
I think that if you are suspicious or concerned that your girlfriend is cheating on you, you are already in a terrible predicament. Imagine living with that?
What's the problem? It's no better and no worse than living with the uncertainty that you may fall terribly ill in the near future, or the uncertainty that your business will not work out, etc. Happens. You fail, you try again. And again. As much as needed.
Krishnamurti went on to give countless talks at which he frequently implied that his audience shouldn't be wasting their time listening to spiritual talks. But perhaps the most striking was a 1977 lecture in California. "Part-way through this particular talk," writes Jim Dreaver, who was present, "Krishnamurti suddenly paused, leaned forward and said, almost conspiratorially, 'Do you want to know what my secret is?'" (There are several accounts of this event; details vary.) Krishnamurti rarely spoke in such personal terms, and the audience was electrified, Dreaver recalls. "Almost as though we were one body we sat up… I could see people all around me lean forward, their ears straining and their mouths slowly opening in hushed anticipation." Then Krishnamurti, "in a soft, almost shy voice", said: "You see, I don't mind what happens."
What's the problem? It's no better and no worse than living with the uncertainty that you may fall terribly ill in the near future, or the uncertainty that your business will not work out, etc. Happens. You fail, you try again. And again. As much as needed.
You are deceiving yourself by thinking that. Sure, there is an uncertainty in the longevity of any relationship, but that is only if you are idiotic enough to form a long term relationship with someone you are not certain has the qualities worthy for such a venture. To shut-down, become dependent on and tolerate defeats the purpose of being in a relationship in the first place, which is supposed to be about happiness, about love and sharing, about building together.
Being miserable but as long as someone is around is not my idea of a relationship, it is my idea of mindless dronism driven by the fear of being independent. Happiness is not the applaud and congratulations given to you from others while you secretly suffer or potentially do shit behind everyones back, it is just self-deception.
You are deceiving yourself by thinking that. Sure, there is an uncertainty in the longevity of any relationship, but that is only if you are idiotic enough to form a long term relationship with someone you are not certain has the qualities worthy for such a venture. To shut-down, become dependent on and tolerate defeats the purpose of being in a relationship in the first place, which is supposed to be about happiness, about love and sharing, about building together.
Not really, for many the purpose is just to share some aspects of your life together.
Being miserable but as long as someone is around is not my idea of a relationship, it is my idea of mindless dronism driven by the fear of being independent. Happiness is not the applaud and congratulations given to you from others while you secretly suffer or potentially do shit behind everyones back, it is just self-deception.
Who said being miserable? Why would you miserable? When you're uncertain about something, you're miserable? Maybe you will be like this guy:
I'd rather be formless without a personality than an immovable statue, stuck in a personality :P
You silly little sausage you. A personality is fluid, flexible, unique because of its openness, spontaneity and understanding of others. That is why it is a personality. Those without a personality are the immovable ones.
BuxtebuddhaJanuary 04, 2018 at 23:46#1399940 likes
You silly little sausage you. A personality is fluid, flexible, unique because of its openness, spontaneity and understanding of others. That is why it is a personality. Those without a personality are the immovable ones.
If indeed one's personality is fluid and flexible, would you mind telling me why your narcissistic personality doesn't apply to such malleability?
If indeed one's personality is fluid and flexible, would you mind telling me why your narcissistic personality doesn't apply to such malleability?
Come to lick the boots of Agu?
BuxtebuddhaJanuary 04, 2018 at 23:51#1399960 likes
Reply to TimeLine No, his sneakers are old and dirty - he's posted a picture of them before. Anyhoo, I didn't expect an answer to my question, so don't feel compelled to deflect any further, (Y)
Reply to Hanover That is a close one given my fruit addiction. Clingstone peaches. But, I would do anything for a bowl of these delectable, delightful, deliciously sweet cherries. Figs. Pomegranates. Plums. Oh mannnn, I love summer.
BuxtebuddhaJanuary 05, 2018 at 00:18#1400070 likes
Here, this may help you perfect the art of your projection. I bet someone has called you a narcissist and now you are doing that to others.
Hmm, an expected reply. Although, I was expecting you to tell me about how wonderful you are, helping children, and baking cookies for poor people, and something or other.
Edit: Oh, and you've still ignored my original question. Ah well.
Reply to TimeLine If the insinuation is I'm a redneck because of my affinity for homegrown talent, I remind you that better evidence of my sophistication is the manner in which I sexually pleasure my sister and Uncle Dad.
My uncle is right here under my chair and it does smell milky like a cow and I do feel something tickling me like a bow. So, yeah, you might be right, although the milk might have come from Saggy, my neighbor who suffers from perma-lactation caused by an ant infestation.
Perhaps he has cow skin perfumed with the scent of peaches?
My cow's bovagina (technical term for a heffer's hoo-haa) smells of peaches, yes, but that's only because she pleasured herself with a peach tree. Long story.
Come on TL, keep up! Now's not the time to get all mature on us.
There is this guy I used to work with who I see occasionally at the shops or the gym, and he does this thing where he pretends not to see me, but you know he saw me, and he gets all weird, stares out into space, walks to some random corner as he avoids coming face to face with me. I call him Blair, from the Blair Witch Project, you know how they face the wall and all, and while he may not know it, I walk around him to intentionally make him feel uncomfortable. I find him adorable.
Long story short. I am never mature.
I find you adorable too. Dont listen to big ol meanie posty.
Like that guy at the gym who I used to work with, I have noticed a similar trend with Hanover and that is that while he acts all macho, talking about sex and chewing tobacco that he spits out like a man, all he really wants from me is a hug. He wants me to hug him, to hold him up close, to gently stroke the back of his ears with my fingers and with his head on my chest, for me to giggle lovingly at his silly little jokes.
Reply to Akanthinos God no. Hanover and TimeLine will just gross me out with their ridiculous redneck fantasies of slithering through the blood of chickens that they slaughtered as offering to the manpig-God.
I spent 90 minutes at a clinic this afternoon getting repaired after an unfortunate encounter with a new potato peeler -- a high end Oxo brand with the big handle to improve grip for old, arthritic people. I was peeling a small potato (held in a tight grip, of course). In the last swipe of this vorpal blade, the peeler sliced through the skin of my thumb (unpleasant) but worse, through 3/4s of the thumb nail as well--tip downward toward the quick.
Sound of furious multiple-object cursing. That was last night.
It was too late by that time and too inconvenient to go to an urgent care clinic, so I went today. The clinic's doctor didn't seem to have a procedure room, so he just did his work on the corner of the desk next to the computer. He injected the thumb with two full syringes of anesthetic -- enough fluid to inflate and harden the last two knuckles of thumb. Fortunately zylocaine works well. He then took a little surgical scissors and cut down to the quick and then just twisted the thumbnail off. Blood? Oh, yes. Lots of blood. The peeler had scooped out some of the flesh under the nail, so without the nail, the blood clot that had formed, precious bodily fluid was free to depart my person.
So now I have this big dressing on my thumb, which is supposed to stay there till Saturday, after which I am to put new dressings on it till it stops bleeding and is stable. I figure the nail may be fully regrown by... May? July? September? That's if all goes well. The nail could start growing and get confused and start growing into the nail bed.
Should you wish to slash your wrists and get it over with but find that you do not happen to have a proper razor blade, consider your potato peeler--preferably a new one. It won't be quite as easy slashing your wrists with the peeler, but it is definitely up to the task -- you'll just have to work your way down to larger arteries one layer at a time--it's a potato peeler, after all. The pain will be quite significant, but what do you care -- you will be all the happier to be dead, as soon as you're done opening your veins (well, arteries) one layer at a time.
Your potato peeler should probably be confiscated if you try to board a plane with one.
He wants me to hug him, to hold him up close, to gently stroke the back of his ears with my fingers and with his head on my chest, for me to giggle lovingly at his silly little jokes.
Stop with your black magic sorcery mind reading shit Miss Blair Witch.
That somewhat implies that there is something clever in an aristocrat joke. Or speaks badly of what you judge as clever...
Might you send me some of your flu induced vomit, as I am fresh out of toothpaste and sexual lubricant and I suspect that the mucus infused ravioli you heaved onto your bed would work wonderfully?
God no. Hanover and TimeLine will just gross me out with their ridiculous redneck fantasies of slithering through the blood of chickens that they slaughtered as offering to the manpig-God.
So jelly. You needn't be. There's plenty of room for you and your pickled fermented herring.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 05, 2018 at 13:53#1401290 likes
@Bitter Crank
Arggggggggggggh I could barely get through your words with such a cringed face, God I KNOW how painful a slice can be. I am sure you guys through your time in shaving can appreciate using a new blade in the shower, maybe not shaving your legs like I but, have you ever taken the swipe and don't know it's bleeding till the water hits it stinging like a son of a bitch? The kind of swipe that leaves a strip of skin in the blade? OMG! This happened to me once when I was 14 and then again last month. I screamed and had to literally tourniquet it in the shower with a towel to get out. Left on my leg was a four inch long, an inch in diameter, wound! I just lost the scab to freshly grown skin and I wish you ugghh a pain free recovery. Maybe next time try the Yukon Gold taters that have a skin so thin and blonde you can use them in most recipes without peeling.
When I was young, I worked at a saw mill where I would feed the trees through the saw in order to cut the wood into rough planks. I also worked diligently to fight injustice in all its forms. A villain who didn't want to see me thwart injustice anymore grabbed me and tied me to the conveyer belt that led into the saw blade. Although I was a caped crusader (a purple velvet drape with gold tassels), and I'd typically find my way out of such pickles, I could not this time and I was literally cut from head to toe, separating me into two entirely different people for a short time prior to my being mended back together by a kind spinster seamstress with too many cats. She sent me on my way after a hearty bowl of beef and barley soup.
The point is that while I sympathize with the potato peeler story and the leg shaving story, until you have been fed through a saw mill by a villain, you really have nothing to complain about.
I thought about why I am troubled; why should I care? I am angry that I was given this information when I really do not care and I am so damn happy that I am moving away from the suburb I currently live in, but getting to the morality here at atomic level, is the concern, this deep trouble, actually a facade for what is essentially pleasurable? I want to ensure the authenticity of this motive of mine and I just cannot help but shake off this possibility.
Sorry for the late response. I was gone for a few days. I haven't looked down to see any other part of this conversation before I'm responding
First thought - You are unable not to do what you think is right. This post is just more evidence of that, as if it were needed. Trust your own judgment, certainly not mine.
Second thought - Ok, well that isn't very responsive, so how about this. I've thought about this situation in a case where I knew and liked one or both of the parties. In that situation, I'm not sure what I'd do. I know from experience that there's a very good chance getting involved will end both relationships. On the other hand, how can I let someone I care about be hurt. I guess at a minimum I would talk to the guilty party and tell them 1) You're an asshole. Tell the other person or I will. or 2) Your an asshole. If I ever hear about this again from anyone, I'll tell.
Now, your situation is very different. You have no obligation to tell someone you no longer have a relationship with, who sounds like he abused you. No personal, moral, ethical, physical, chemical, spiritual obligation. On the other hand, maybe, just maybe, you need to make sure you are not forced to participate. See item 2 in the above paragraph. You can leave out the part about the asshole.
Third thought - Never take advice from me. You are more trustworthy and good-hearted.
Mr. Rogers sure was a nice guy, ain't that the truth?
If I had to vote for the person I admire most, the list of possibilities would include Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Barak Obama, Lech Walesa, Vlaclav Havel, Corizon Aquino, Jim Henson, Fred Rogers. I could name more.
Competence, courage, honesty, heart. I guess "admire" isn't the right word. I love these people.
If one day, for example, your boyfriend comes to you and says "TimeLine, I am very disappointed in you... Why did you cheat on me?!", then if you did cheat, you will be very tempted to admit to it than risk making your situation even worse by lying again.
Be fair, even TL will tell her boyfriend what her real name is. Maybe not on the first date. Maybe that would be like getting to second base. [Fe]
That's a baseball-related sexual reference. Do people in other countries get it?
Dear Mr. Rogers is lucky he died before someone accused him of sexual misconduct 30 years earlier by patting them on the back (between the shoulder blades, with their winter coat on) as he told her to get the hell out of his neighborhood.
Just joking, Fred. RIP
Careful or people will think you're bitt... Oh, wait. I already said that.
Krishnamurti thinks the secret to life is not to give a #*@%.
From here.
Krishnamurti went on to give countless talks at which he frequently implied that his audience shouldn't be wasting their time listening to spiritual talks. But perhaps the most striking was a 1977 lecture in California. "Part-way through this particular talk," writes Jim Dreaver, who was present, "Krishnamurti suddenly paused, leaned forward and said, almost conspiratorially, 'Do you want to know what my secret is?'" (There are several accounts of this event; details vary.) Krishnamurti rarely spoke in such personal terms, and the audience was electrified, Dreaver recalls. "Almost as though we were one body we sat up… I could see people all around me lean forward, their ears straining and their mouths slowly opening in hushed anticipation." Then Krishnamurti, "in a soft, almost shy voice", said: "You see, I don't mind what happens."
If indeed one's personality is fluid and flexible, would you mind telling me why your narcissistic personality doesn't apply to such malleability?
Now Buxtebuddha, play nice. I thought your New Year's resolution was to be nicer. Oh, wait, that was one of mine.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a very serious mental disorder with a very bad prognosis. People who suffer tend to be very impulsive. Obsessively self-involved. Charming and manipulative. I've always liked Freud's characterization, although I'm not sure how it stands up - narcissistic personalities have never successfully made the transition that most children do when they are toddlers - they never really understand, feel, that the world and their selves are separate. Having a big ego and being self-centered don't mean you have a narcissistic personality.
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Reply to T Clark Narcissism of the disorderly quality rests along a spectrum. Some narcissists are more narcissistic than others, just as some psychopaths are more psychopathic than others. Where TL is dotted on the line I don't know, but I'm nevertheless amused by her.
Should you wish to slash your wrists and get it over with but find that you do not happen to have a proper razor blade, consider your potato peeler--preferably a new one. It won't be quite as easy slashing your wrists with the peeler, but it is definitely up to the task -- you'll just have to work your way down to larger arteries one layer at a time--it's a potato peeler, after all. The pain will be quite significant, but what do you care -- you will be all the happier to be dead, as soon as you're done opening your veins (well, arteries) one layer at a time.
Your potato peeler should probably be confiscated if you try to board a plane with one.
It is a testament to my respect for you that I could finish your post. Of all the things that make me cringe and shiver, descriptions or depictions of people being cut with sharp knives are very difficult for me to deal with.
Narcissism of the disorderly quality rests along a spectrum. Some narcissists are more narcissistic than others, just as some psychopaths are more psychopathic than others. Where TL is dotted on the line I don't know, but I'm nevertheless amused by her.
I try to be careful in psychologizing people I deal with. I sometimes fail. 83.25% of the people on this forum are excessively self-involved people who think their ideas are worth paying attention to. Look it up in the Oxford Australian Dictionary. It's the third definition. "Philosopher - An excessively self-involved person who thinks their ideas are worth paying attention to." Go ahead. Look it up.
I try to be careful in psychologizing people I deal with. I sometimes fail. 83.25% of the people on this forum are excessively self-involved people who think their ideas are worth paying attention to. Look it up in the Oxford Australian Dictionary. It's the third definition. "Philosopher - An excessively self-involved person who thinks their ideas are worth paying attention to." Go ahead. Look it up.
The point is that while I sympathize with the potato peeler story and the leg shaving story, until you have been fed through a saw mill by a villain, you really have nothing to complain about.
But that was a saw blade. That doesn't bother me nearly as much. The thought of a razor makes my nose run.
To give you a more serious response, I agree completely. My goal in life is to be fearless. I haven't got that long. I'd better get cracking. Many of the rest of you have more time to get it right.
I have had just about enough. From peaches to pissing contests to pigs and now marsupials? It is too damn hot today and as I am stuck inside with the air conditioning on, here is a lesson for you.
Tasmania
Tasmania, otherwise known as Tassie, is a state of Australia with a population of over 500,000 people. It is home to a number of national parks and wilderness escapes and is the only location where the Aurora Australis can be visible. The climate is usually cool as it is only 240km away from Antarctica.
The map here shows Tasmania is just below the state of Victoria, between them lying big hungry sharks but nevertheless at a fair distance from carnivorous koala bears.Tasmania is the only state in Australia known to have ethnically cleansed the indigenous population during the mid-19th century, which the current population are not very proud of. It is also the place where a shooting occurred at Port Arthur that caused such public outcry that the Howard Government officially banned the use of guns in Australia.
Tasmania's weather being mild and slightly humid make it a perfect place to grow sweet cherries, particularly the fertile soil of the state that differs entirely from the bush-fire prone mainland where it is much warmer and indeed drier. Cherries are packed with cancer-fighting antioxidants and because of the high dose of melatonin, makes one sleep like a baby and a healthy sleep cycle is vital for a happy, healthy day.
The glossy skin of Tasmanian cherries have a bold dark colour and grow much larger due to the soil and temperature of the state. The sweet and juicy taste pops in your mouth with a degree of crunchy perfection and I absolutely love them.
Did you ever see him in BBC's "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" and "Smiley's People?"
From the 80s. They're the first things I ever saw him in. For me, the best recorded dramas, TV or movies, ever made. Stewart was really good. Alec Guinness was astounding. Watching, I felt I was sinking, drawn in, hypnotized. I'm still shocked by how good his performance was as I remember it now. Time to watch it again.
It is too damn hot today and as I am stuck inside with the air conditioning on, here is a lesson for you.
Nope, it's well below freezing and my pipes burst in my basement, giving me an opportunity to drag my junk outside and pay a plumber a fortune for a late night visit. And it wasn't a porn like plumber who says "let me fix your pipes" but a real plumber who just solders pipes.Quoting TimeLine
Tasmania, otherwise known as Tassie, is a state of Australia with a population of over 500,000 people.
Nope, Tasmania is home only to Tasmanian devils, a cartoon character that emerges from a box and swirls around and destroys everything. Everyone knows that. Everyone.Quoting TimeLine
Cherries are packed with cancer-fighting antioxidants and because of the high dose of melatonin, makes one sleep like a baby and a healthy sleep cycle is vital for a happy, healthy day.
Sure, as if there is a controlled study showing that cherry eaters have less cancer than non cherrry eaters. It sounds like you have been brainwashed by the cherry industrial complex.Quoting TimeLine
Tasmania's weather being mild and slightly humid make it a perfect place to grow sweet cherries,
And yet another God damned lie. The best cherries in all of America come from Michigan, a land of harsh winters and not particularly humid. It's a just a big stupid place up north somewhere where it's crazy cold and everyone is fat. And before you say that the average southerner isn't particularly svelte, I remind you of Daisy Duke, the single most beautiful angel ever to grace the backwoods of Georgia.
And there's this girl at my gym who I pretend to ignore and it causes her to follow me around and think I'm bad at ignoring her. She's just adorable.
Cherries are packed with cancer-fighting antioxidants and because of the high dose of melatonin
The onset of cancer is often caused by an imbalance in chemical buffer reactions. Too much anti-oxidants actually increase the likelihood for cancer. I know this because a roommate discovered this while doing her PhD research on the subject. It's documented since 2003.
Reply to Hanover Timeline gets her nutrition information from the Readers Digest.
Cherries do have melatonin, but not nearly enough to serve as a therapeutic dose, unless you exclude the placebo effect. There is some evidence to suggest practically anything. I like cherries. From Washington state.
Two days in a row now I've had a two hour commute home from work (vs. the 1 hour norm). The public transit here in NYC totally implodes in inclement weather. It's a shit show. Maybe it's time to move...
Cherries are packed with cancer-fighting antioxidants
1/3 of the population dies of cancer, whether they ate cherries or not. 1/3 of the population dies of heart disease whether they exercised or not. 1/3 of the population dies from stroke, whether they took statins or high blood pressure medication.
100% of everyone dies of something, regardless of how careful they were.
It's just a matter of what, when, where, how.
The kind of weather you describe in Tasmania enhances the growth of brain destroying fungi.
From the 80s. They're the first things I ever saw him in. For me, the best recorded dramas, TV or movies, ever made. Stewart was really good. Alec Guinness was astounding. Watching, I felt I was sinking, drawn in, hypnotized. I'm still shocked by how good his performance was as I remember it now. Time to watch it again.
Who is Stewart? That is Captain Picard. He is the captain of the USS Enterprise. What are you on about, man?
Next thing you know the Q continuum doesn't exist. :s
Did you see the recent "Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy" film with Gary Oldman? I'm a sucker for a great spy drama; they're hard to come by, and that one to me is a masterpiece. F'real
Did you see the recent "Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy" film with Gary Oldman? I'm a sucker for a great spy drama; they're hard to come by, and that one to me is a masterpiece. F'real
I heard it was really good and Gary Oldman is a good actor, but I couldn't bring myself to watch it. George Smiley is Alec Guinness. John LeCarre dedicated one of his George Smiley books to Guinness. Do you know what LeCarre thought of the movie?
Fair enough; I'm a youngster, so it's a generational difference I guess. I will say Gary Oldman is not at all what Smiley should look like, physically. He did a great acting job, though. And the rest of the cast was incredible. The pacing and mood in general was awesome. I do know LeCarre was a consultant on the film, or something like that, which I assume means it had his blessing. I'd recommend watching it.
Who is Stewart? That is Captain Picard. He is the captain of the USS Enterprise. What are you on about, man?
Captain, we've detected signs of a dangerous female lifeform on the Ortsreliam insane asylum planet. Recommend firing forward phasers and a full pattern of photon torpedoes.
The onset of cancer is often caused by an imbalance in chemical buffer reactions. Too much anti-oxidants actually increase the likelihood for cancer. I know this because a roommate discovered this while doing her PhD research on the subject. It's documented since 2003.
I am probably the only person who had a liver inflammation from eating too much fruit. They asked, "do you drink alcohol?" I don't drink alcohol. "Do you smoke?" I don't smoke. "Do you take drugs?" I have never touched any type of drug. "Do you eat excess amounts of apples?" Silence.
Who is Stewart? That is Captain Picard. He is the captain of the USS Enterprise. What are you on about, man?
Captain, we've detected signs of a dangerous female alien on the Ortsreliam insane asylum planet. Recommend firing forward phasers and a full pattern of photon torpedoes.
Make it so Number two.
What? There is no Ortsreliam insane asylum. Only the asylum on the planet of Elba II managed by the federation by holding a handful of criminally insane exists, the most notorious being the former captain Garth of Izar who remains one of Kirk' formidable opponents. There were only ten patients, given that technology is far more advanced, so I suggest you get your "facts" right, thank you very much.
Fair enough; I'm a youngster, so it's a generational difference I guess. I will say Gary Oldman is not at all what Smiley should look like, physically. He did a great acting job, though. And the rest of the cast was incredible. The pacing and mood in general was awesome. I do know LeCarre was a consultant on the film, or something like that, which I assume means it had his blessing. I'd recommend watching it.
A good argument. It is or was on Netflix, so I almost watched several times, but I couldn't do it. I've done the same thing with other books/movies. There is a TV show out now based on Lev Grossman's "The Magicians" trilogy. Can't watch it. I have pictures in my mind of all the characters. What if the actress they chose for Alice doesn't look like the Alice in my mind. I couldn't stand it. I'm in love with Alice.
On the other hand, one of my favorite authors is Elmore Leonard and "Justified", based on a couple of his novels, is wonderful. Timothy Olyphant, who played the main character, is great. A real Leonard character. He also played the main character in "Deadwood." Justified is one of the few shows I ever paid for on Amazon.
Yeah, I get it. I had the same experience with Lord Of The Rings, except my parents read the books to me as a kid, so I was only like 11 when the first movie came out. At the time, obviously, my aesthetic sense wasn't as developed, but right off the bat I knew that Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn was a horrible choice. And to this day, it's totally ruined the character for me, whether in the movies, or when I re-read the books. But Ian McKellen as Gandalf, or Sean Austin as Sam are about as close as one could have hoped for, even if not perfect (McKellen totally botched the immortal "Fly, You Fools!" line. That was the most harrowing moment in the books, growing up. Totally ridiculous in the movie).
What? There is no Ortsreliam insane asylum. Only the asylum on the planet of Elba II managed by the federation by holding a handful of criminally insane, the most notorious being the former captain Garth of Izar who remains one of Kirk' formidable opponents. There were only ten patients, given that technology is far more advanced, so I suggest you get your "facts" right, thank you very much.
Did you really think that every event and conflict Picard and Enterprise ever had was shown on STTNG or one of the movies? Or maybe it was one of those half-assed "alternative future" things. No, wait, I think it was on the holodeck. No, wait - it was that time he got zapped by an alien probe and had to live the entire life of one of the aliens in a couple of hours. One of the aliens was watching "Flor Blag, the Next Pronkfulic" on TV. Maybe it was on ST the Animated Series (a shiver of dread goes down his spine).
Nope, Tasmania is home only to Tasmanian devils, a cartoon character that emerges from a box and swirls around and destroys everything. Everyone knows that. Everyone.
Taz has starred alongside Bugs Bunny, so unless he has fucking wings, you're wrong.
And there's this girl at my gym who I pretend to ignore and it causes her to follow me around and think I'm bad at ignoring her. She's just adorable.
So not true. Ok, maybe a little true. I love routine because I can get so much done, so I initially avoided him by changing my routine until it got to a point where I stopped because it was constantly changing. Fuck it, I said. Then he disappeared and I was like wah? Now I am like where is he? It is so frustrating being ignored.
I had the same experience with Lord Of The Rings, except my parents read the books to me as a kid, so I was only like 11 when the first movie came out.
I read "The Hobbit" and the "Lord of the Rings" books when I was 17 years old with my first love, so it has a special place in my heart. Going back later, it was a bit convoluted for my taste. I could never get into the movies. For what it's worth, Viggo Mortensen is one of my favorite actors. Even that was never enough to get me to watch.
Also, as I was discussing with @TimeLine earlier, the fact they were filmed in Tasmania was a big strike against them.
Really? In what way? (I've been reading Philip K. Dick recently, so convoluted might mean something else entirely to me right now).
Actually, my criticism isn't right. I just read "Titus Groan" last year. t. It is one of the most difficult, slow, incomprehensible fiction books I've ever read. And wonderful, wonderful.
Hate Philip K. Dick. I guess LOTR didn't work for me this time because I didn't find the characters very interesting or appealing. It's much easier to like a book when you are reading it with your love.
Hate Philip K. Dick. I guess LOTR didn't work for me this time because I didn't find the characters very interesting or appealing. It's much easier to like a book when you are reading it with your love.
Ah, well, I think I disagree because I think there's some great characters in LOTR. But they're archetypes more so; they're not realistic characters; not ones we can identify with, except when we can identify specifically with Sam's courage, or Smeagol's inner existential torture. But they're not well-rounded characters, so I get that.
I'm not familiar with the other stuff you mentioned; what's the genre/vibe?
Haha, what PKD have you read? I'm utterly fascinated, to an unhealthy degree, with his mystical experiences, and the subsequent literature: VALIS, The Exegesis, etc. I can't even explain just how drawn to that stuff I am. I love the blurred line between fiction, reality, and insanity.
"The Magicians" is fantasy. When I first started reading it almost seemed like a parody of Harry Potter, but it took me a place HP never did. Older people - college instead of school. More adult themes, and I don't mean sex in particular, but it has a couple of my favorite sex scenes of any I've read. It's definitely not worth reading the books for the sex. What there is is brief and not prurient or gratuitous, or graphic.
Well, I'd love to read a fantasy novel written by you, given your style in that review. And I can see why you prefer what you describe here over LOTR. And, I think I'd probably enjoy it too, but I'm not sure. "full of hundreds or thousands of unused rooms packed with useless and peculiar things" got my fantasy imagination going. But probably only because I'm also a child of Narnia.
Well, I'd love to read a fantasy novel written by you, given your style in that review. And I can see why you prefer what you describe here over LOTR. And, I think I'd probably enjoy it too, but I'm not sure. "full of hundreds or thousands of unused rooms packed with useless and peculiar things" got my fantasy imagination going. But probably only because I'm also a child of Narnia.
If you're not patient, don't start it. On the other hand, if you like LOTR, you must be patient.
No problem. But I feel like I "know" you in some sense, and I always am biased towards the creative output of people I know; I just listened to my former co-workers new album tonight, and was ecstatic; but then, I had to question whether I was judging the music impartially.
Also, because now I'm getting nerdy, your quote of "unused rooms" didn't only excite my Narnia genes, but also my George McDonald genes. The deep cuts.
I'm not particularly patient either. I was surprised at how, once I got into it, I couldn't stop reading.
I've given this book to a lot my family members and I've always felt like I had to warn them. I didn't want them to get started and then come back to me and beat me with sticks.
I am probably the only person who had a liver inflammation from eating too much fruit. They asked, "do you drink alcohol?" I don't drink alcohol. "Do you smoke?" I don't smoke. "Do you take drugs?" I have never touched any type of drug. "Do you eat excess amounts of apples?" Silence.
>:O I used to eat fruit all the time when I lived in the Caribbean. Here in the Netherlands it's just not the same so I've mostly moved to vegetables as the healthy part of my diet.
I am probably the only person who had a liver inflammation from eating too much fruit. They asked, "do you drink alcohol?" I don't drink alcohol. "Do you smoke?" I don't smoke. "Do you take drugs?" I have never touched any type of drug. "Do you eat excess amounts of apples?" Silence.
If you chew apple seeds, amygdalin could be released in the body and produce cyanide. Small amounts can be detoxified by enzymes in your body, but large amounts can be dangerous. You probably chewed up too many. I happen to like a touch of toxicity with my apples. I find the seeds have a pleasant taste.
Reply to Noble Dust If you haven't, you might try Alan Furst. His series of historical spy stories are generally set around the time of WWII, frequently in France, with travels elsewhere. Lots of interesting characters, casual love affairs very nicely depicted, local color... Good plots, of course. His are the first spy novels I've read (starting last summer). I think I've gotten spies out of my system, for now.
Reply to Bitter Crank I left the door cracked to the unfinished part of the basement so the dogs could come in and out during the day and forgot to close it at night. It dropped to 15 F and $500 later I had basement floor stew. Here's one of the four cracked pipes:
The insurance company denied coverage, claiming it was caused by a Tasmanian devil, citing the exotic pets exclusion.
Two days in a row now I've had a two hour commute home from work (vs. the 1 hour norm). The public transit here in NYC totally implodes in inclement weather. It's a shit show. Maybe it's time to move...
You should move to a penthouse overlooking Central Park and get one of those black car drivers to take you places. It will be more comfortable and you won't be dependent on public transportation.
You misunderstand. I view my life as having two distinct phases - pre-Mr. Greenjeans and post.
Don't let Hanover fool you into thinking he is some Spring Chicken cause he's not! Stepping over Hanovers' walker.
Now, does anyone recognize Bozo the Clown?
Don't let Hanover fool you into thinking he is some Spring Chicken cause he's not! Stepping over Hanovers' walker.
Now, does anyone recognize Bozo the Clown?
Of course, although he was a franchise. Willard Scott, who went on to be the weatherman on the Today Show, was Bozo on Channel 5 in Washington DC in the 60s. I grew up about equidistant from Philadelphia, Washington, and Baltimore before the days of cable or even UHF for God's sake. I remember:
Bozo
Bernie the Bunyip
Andy's Gang
Captain Tug
Sherri Lewis
And many more.
The second and third bulleted shows were tied as the oddest TV children's shows ever until Xuxa came along. Bernie was a rabbit (I guess) who talked with the voice of Ronald Coleman. Andy was played by Andy Devine, a well-known actor who had a voice that made a belt sander sound like Pavarotti.
Reply to T Clark Alas, we didn't have a television till I was in the 8th grade. We only saw TV before then at the neighbors. I have a vague recollection of the Dowdy Hoody show, but it's pretty vague. Never heard of Mr. Greenjeans. I have a clearer memory of "We're all Bozos on the Bus" from the late 60s, but I can't remember what that was either.
I was culturally depraved, I guess.
Oh yeah, now I remember the Bozos on the bus thing, thanks to Google. Firesign Theater. Absurdist comedy album, probably intended to be heard while high.
Alas, we didn't have a television till I was in the 8th grade. We only saw TV before then at the neighbors. I have a vague recollection of the Dowdy Hoody show, but it's pretty vague. Never heard of Mr. Greenjeans. I have a clearer memory of "We're all Bozos on the Bus" from the late 60s, but I can't remember what that was either.
Mr. Green Jeans and Dancing Bear:
Howdy Doody:
Howdy Doody's Peanut Gallery, of which I was a member in, probably, 1958 or 1959. Fuck. I am so fucking old. I'm not in this picture.
Damn, why didn't I think of that? Luxury and a beautiful view at my fingertips, and I'm over here working by the hour and living in Bay Ridge (basically the part of NJ no one wanted, so they gave it to NY.)
My earliest TV memories actually are of Romper Room where at the end of the show the lady would hold up her magic mirror and say she could see all the little boys and girls at their houses through their TV sets. She would say, "I see Barbara and Bobbie and Johnny..." and would name everyone off, and if she said my name, I'd tell all the kids in school that she saw me that morning. And if I were getting dressed, I'd always move off to the side so she wouldn't see me undressed because that would be embarrassing.
My earliest TV memories actually are of Romper Room where at the end of the show the lady would hold up her magic mirror and say she could see all the little boys and girls at their houses through their TV sets. She would say, "I see Barbara and Bobbie and Johnny..." and would name everyone off, and if she said my name, I'd tell all the kids in school that she saw me that morning. And if I were getting dressed, I'd always move off to the side so she wouldn't see me undressed because that would be embarrassing.
Yes, I left Romper Room off my list. Also Ding Dong School.
Haha, what PKD have you read? I'm utterly fascinated, to an unhealthy degree, with his mystical experiences, and the subsequent literature: VALIS, The Exegesis, etc. I can't even explain just how drawn to that stuff I am. I love the blurred line between fiction, reality, and insanity.
I meant to respond to this but forgot. I read some short stories when I was a kid. Don't remember names. I read a couple of novels. I went and looked at his bibliography and "The Man Who Japed" rang a bell. Maybe "The Game Players of Titan." Clearly my mind has worked to erase the stories from my memory. I don't do bleak with unlikeable main characters very well. Back then, my mind had enough bleakness. Also, an unlikeable main character. That's kind of dark isn't it? I was being 69.23% ironic.
I don't do bleak with unlikeable main characters very well. Back then, my mind had enough bleakness. Also, an unlikeable main character. That's kind of dark isn't it? I was being 69.23% ironic.
Ha. The bleakness is definitely rough. I love the surreal and mystical elements of his later stuff though; sounds like you read some early ones. VALIS is a literary masterpiece, as far as I'm concerned, and it's sequel, The Divine Invasion actually has a non-bleak ending, surprisingly.
If you haven't, you might try Alan Furst. His series of historical spy stories are generally set around the time of WWII, frequently in France, with travels elsewhere. Lots of interesting characters, casual love affairs very nicely depicted, local color... Good plots, of course. His are the first spy novels I've read (starting last summer). I think I've gotten spies out of my system, for now.
Love Furst. Definitely read his earlier books first. Polish Officer. Blood of Victory. Dark Star, Night Soldiers. They all take place in Europe just before World War II. The heroes are various nationalities - Hungarian, Soviet, Bulgarian, French, Dutch. Such neat characters. All casually and reluctantly heroic. Honorable and loyal. Incredible atmosphere - like "Casablanca," if you've ever heard of that. I love the way relationships between the main characters and women are portrayed. Each story is like a cross-section through a part of the coming conflict. They almost all end up in Paris, in the same restaurant, although characters and stories don't overlap. Together, you feel as though you get a panoramic view.
To me, some of his later books are weaker. I think the same can be said for LeCarre. The end of the Cold War undermined the foundations of his work. Start with "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy."
Apparently people used to use arsenic as a recreational drug.
I don't think so, but arsenic was used in the 19th century to make a very popular green dye that was used in paint and wallpaper. People liked it in bedrooms, especially. The arsenic vaporized and collected in the closed rooms, and it would make people feel sickish. They hadn't put 2 and 2 together, but they had noticed that something in their bedrooms was making them feel ill. Some people took "vacations" from their bedrooms to feel better.
Read that in a book about the 19th century house.
It was also used as an insecticide. There was an insecticide factory a little over a mile from where I live in Minneapolis. Up to the 1950s the long-gone plant (in an industrial zone between two residential areas) piled up materials outside where the wind picked it up and blew it around--contaminating the surrounding neighborhood soils (and people, of course) with arsenic.
The contamination was finally remediated just a few years ago when a law suit forced the city to scrape off the top 6 inches of soil from many yards adjacent to the plant containing more the a certain level of arsenic and replace it with fresh soil (probably contaminated with something else).
Then there were those two sweet old ladies poisoning gentlemen with arsenic in elderberry wine.
Reply to T Clark Notwithstanding the fact that Howdy Doody is probably the most freakish looking puppet to have ever graced television and explains by way of causing such intense feelings of horror why your generation is a little loony, are you that little boy third from the bottom left who appears distracted by the hot brunette in the corner?
If you chew apple seeds, amygdalin could be released in the body and produce cyanide. Small amounts can be detoxified by enzymes in your body, but large amounts can be dangerous. You probably chewed up too many. I happen to like a touch of toxicity with my apples. I find the seeds have a pleasant taste.
Who the hell eats the seeds of an apple? You bite around it and then throw out the core, well, at least that is what normal people do, unless you're a horse.
And anyway, Mister Ed, the point was that excess fructose is not good for the liver.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 07, 2018 at 12:40#1408280 likes
You are still very adorable Hanover~ It's going to be okay because as you age, so does the ladies vision! ;)
unenlightenedJanuary 07, 2018 at 15:32#1408570 likes
Them as liked Le Carre might also like Line of Duty. Not quite as claustrophobic as Tinker, Tailor, not quite as well written and acted, but not far short on all counts.
If you chew apple seeds, amygdalin could be released in the body and produce cyanide. Small amounts can be detoxified by enzymes in your body, but large amounts can be dangerous. You probably chewed up too many. I happen to like a touch of toxicity with my apples. I find the seeds have a pleasant taste.
There is a seedless apple my son proudly showed me the other day he found at the store. Imagine biting all the way through the apple with no seeds. Yep, the times they are achangin'. Next thing you know they'll come out with men without penises. Imagine, a seedless man without all that junk in the way.
Notwithstanding the fact that Howdy Doody is probably the most freakish looking puppet to have ever graced television and explains by way of causing such intense feelings of horror why your generation is a little loony, are you that little boy third from the bottom left who appears distracted by the hot brunette in the corner?
People have always said Howdy and I could be twins. You should be more sensitive. Even freakish people have feelings. @Baden - TL is discriminating against those of us who are grotesquely ugly.
I was not in that particular photo. I think that was from the late 40s. I was on in the late 50s. Too bad, you could have seen the resemblance.
Them as liked Le Carre might also like Line of Duty. Not quite as claustrophobic as Tinker, Tailor, not quite as well written and acted, but not far short on all counts.
Thanks. I'll go look it up.
Similar subject - I don't care much about TV, but I am looking forward to Amazon's "Jack Ryan." I hope it's good. I like John Krasinski. He seems like he would make a good Ryan.
Next thing you know they'll come out with men without penises.
Makes me think of "Ancillary Justice" by Anne Leckie. Maybe my favorite science fiction book in more than 50 years of reading. Wonderfully written. Moving. Great characters beautifully characterized. At the same time, a good old fashioned space opera. People should read it.
In the galactic society described in the book and it's two follow-ups, no linguistic or social distinctions are made between men and women. The author addresses this by using all female designations. Both men and women are women. "She" applies to everyone. It's disorienting and eye-opening. It's also really fun to try to figure out whether the characters, including the protagonist, are female or male.
Anyway - in the book, when it is necessary to refer to men in particular as separate from women, they are called "women with penises."
Apparently people used to use arsenic as a recreational drug. — T Clark
I don't think so
I first read about arsenic being used as a recreational drug in "Rose" by Martin Cruz Smith. Pretty good book. Smith wrote "Gorky Park" which is wonderful. Movie is wonderful too. William Hurt was wonderful. Wonderful, wonderful.
After your dismissal, I checked. Apparently arsenic was used as an aphrodisiac in the 1800s, along with use in cosmetics and other consumer products.
Are you a runner? I love running in winter, at night, with normal gloves. Try it while listening to Burn by The Cure. Heck, the entire The Crow soundtrack. Somehow, though, I have this dark and disturbing feeling you are into Billy Ray Cyrus.
No doubt she will be saying, one of these days, that she is a"stable" genius. — Bitter CrankOy old horse, I have a much bigger & more powerful rocket than you, one which actually works
Geez, Louise you guys. I was making a playful, friendly, and, I thought, amusing comment. You're turning it all creepy.
Reply to TimeLine I don't listen to music when I run. I can't hear myself over the music. I hate the cold. I like the oppressive heat, when the steam rises from the ground, although it's hard to run in, but I really like that completely spent feeling, like you come home and fall on the floor and wonder if you'll ever recover.
I know that you know that I don't need to be told who Pussy Galore is. I know you have to tell some of the youngsters.
My brother and I went to Goldfinger with my father. We sat next to each other and Dad laughed out loud - loud out loud - all through the movie. I think that was the last time we ever went to the movies with him.
Too long ago for me to tell I'm afraid. I just remember I enjoyed it a lot. I also enjoyed Dirk Gently. Not sure what's wrong with it according to you. Wildly different tastest obviously!
Sam26 - You should know that TL does not actually look like Ava Gardner or whoever her avatar is this week. There are even unverified reports she may be of the equine persuasion.
TimeLine - You should know that Sam26 is an old, fat crank. Oh....wait... no, that's me. Sorry.
Sam26 understands me. He knows that I swoon over his manly confidence and though many a night I wept, nay I cried out in prayer, gnashing my teeth with a whimsical desperation that you would grow some balls and come right out and ask me yourself. "Why!" I once wailed in a turbulent fury. But you have left me with nothing but disappointment.
Think.
We could have made hot, pagan love under your Jewish Christmas tree, we could have gone horse-riding down the beach in Malibu with me in my floral dress and you topless in your white linen trousers, your tousled hair glistening from the rays of the burnt orange sunset. But your cowardice has left you with nothing more than the fury of your own sad existence.
Finally wrote a new song today. Damn that felt good.
When you are ready, I would love to hear it or read the lyrics~ (Y)
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 09, 2018 at 13:55#1418860 likes
@Hanover
Has Atlanta always been a Winter Wonderland in Winter? I was shocked to see how much snow you guys get and how cold. How do you keep your peaches from freezing?
When and where in history would you say had the ideal (or best so far) culture/social values?
That's a difficult question and it would depend on the place you're talking about. If you're talking about Europe (or the Western world), then I'd say the Renessaince or late Middle Ages probably. Though even in that case, those periods had some defects that we don't have today, while they had other advantages over us that we lack today. So it's difficult to make a very accurate judgement.
Sam26 understands me. He knows that I swoon over his manly confidence and though many a night I wept, nay I cried out in prayer, gnashing my teeth with a whimsical desperation that you would grow some balls and come right out and ask me yourself. "Why!" I once wailed in a turbulent fury. But you have left me with nothing but disappointment.
Alas, I was preoccupied with sexing other women in my conveyor belt method as they moved down the line, each more pleasured than the last, and I had forgotten the Post-It note reminder I had written myself and affixed to my teat that I was to call you and request your company, perhaps to a picnic of gouda and herring. And now I fear I might have lost you, not simply for the droves of dainty flowers I have assembly lined banged, but for my failure to text you "wassup" and let you know all you mean to me.Quoting TimeLine
We could have made hot, pagan love under your Jewish Christmas tree, we could have gone horse-riding down the beach in Malibu with me in my floral dress and you topless in your white linen trousers, your tousled hair glistening from the rays of the burnt orange sunset. But your cowardice has left you with nothing more than the fury of your own sad existence.
We still can do the things you mentioned, most conveniently between 2:00 and 3:00 this Sunday because me and the boys plan to go to the paint ball place and then maybe play video games later, and I think I might need to help some guy move because he couldn't pay the rent at his apartment (long story), but then after that we could do the pagan fuck thing.
Has Atlanta always been a Winter Wonderland in Winter? I was shocked to see how much snow you guys get and how cold. How do you keep your peaches from freezing?
We only get a couple inches of snow at most per year. Really? You're throwing me that softball of "How do you keep your Georgia Peaches warm"? At least challenge me.
is an economic conservative
— praxis
Not really... I'm somewhat left-leaning on economics. I'm much more of a conservative on cultural and social issues.
He’s been a force for deregulation across the board, and favoring the corporate sector and the rich in tax cuts is a conservative ‘trickle down’ [s]excuse[/s] [s]theory[/s] strategy.
I'm on the left in the sense that I do believe in free healthcare for all, in not being allowed to access better healthcare just cause you have more money, in equal opportunity to access schooling and education for all, in environmental protection, in local market protectionism, in government support for museums, art, and other cultural spheres, in nationalising banking, in outlawing financial speculation especially with regards to derivatives and options trading, in limiting the influence of multinational corporations, in support programs for those in need who cannot care for themselves, higher taxes for gambling, etc.
I am also for low taxes on business & low bureaucracy levels where possible, including reasonable deregulation.
I've noticed that I am taking more time to write things these days. Not just here on the forum, but at work and in other places where I write. I find myself picking my words more carefully. I go back more often and revise on rereading. I try to look ahead more thoughtfully to how my words will be interpreted and how that will affect people's understanding of what I'm trying to say.
What's my point? I've always taken pride in my writing. I've been doing it professionally for 30 years. My writing is better since I joined the forum.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 09, 2018 at 21:13#1420230 likes
@Sam26 pick me up at 7. I refuse to be with a man who believes that all it takes to woo a sophisticated woman is merely saying 'wassup' via text message; no wonder his own mother calls him an illegitimate bastard. As for Ava Gardner, I am fond of the traditional methods of being courted by a gentleman, but I draw the line at lacking any independence or being covered in a thick layer of makeup. I call this 'Au Naturale' from my Eyes Collection.
Reply to TimeLine Damn, and I thought I was sophisticated. Maybe I should throw some epistemology at you. I'm too old for sophistication, and I don't have the time. X-)
Reply to Posty McPostface I swear I've seen something like this at my last weekly visit to Paragraph. I'll check it out again on Saturday and come back to you with a title. :-*
Well, admittedly, there is a sheepish dynamic of some sort at play here, it's just hard to pin down which one is the sheep and which one is the herding dog at any given point in time. O:)
If somebody writes a book about the science of irrational thoughts, beliefs, and behavior, I'll buy it.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds, by Charles MacKay, 1841 - famous book. I found it as a PDF on the web. Sometimes those web PDF versions are pretty low quality. Sometimes old public domain books are available for free on Kindle. Worth a check. I haven't read it.
Science - Good, Bad, and Bogus. Martin Gardner. Former book editor of Scientific American. I liked it. He also has a bunch of other books about this type of thing.
StreetlightJanuary 10, 2018 at 07:10#1421620 likes
So I did it. I ordered the ridiculously expensive book I've been hunting for for a couple of years now because it was at the bargain basement price of $130, instead of it's usual $250. Except, after my initial burst of excitement at seeing it at such a low price, the US seller said he couldn't ship it to Australia, and I was so sad. Except! Australia post does this thing where they have an address in the US which you can ship to, and from which they'll ship back to here. So I did that. And now I love the postal system.
Now if I can only find Jan Patocka's Body, Community, Language, World for less than USD$2800, I'll be even happier.
Ha, Pomo nonsense! I'm going to buy it just so I can throw it at the wall in disgust! (And then sell it to you at the discounted wall-damaged price of $2799 (Y) ).
StreetlightJanuary 10, 2018 at 07:21#1421690 likes
Reply to Baden You'll be first to the gulag when The Glorious Revolution™ happens. :<
So I did it. I ordered the ridiculously expensive book I've been hunting for for a couple of years now because it was at the bargain basement price of $130, instead of it's usual $250. Except, after my initial burst of excitement at seeing it at such a low price, the US seller said he couldn't ship it to Australia, and I was so sad. Except! Australia post does this thing where they have an address in the US which you can ship to, and from which they'll ship back to here. So I did that. And now I love the postal system.
: D
Mate, I'm telling you, you got screwed... what's worse is that you're actually happy about it >:O >:O >:O
Think about it... $130!! How are you going to make good on that investment? Will this book help you make more dough? Will it give you knowledge that will be so useful to you that it will merit $130? What can you do with that knowledge? What change does that knowledge (help) create in your life?
If you like buying expensive books, you might as well buy this one. At least with this one, you can probably make the money back in about... 1 month? And from there, it's all profit >:O .
StreetlightJanuary 10, 2018 at 09:46#1421980 likes
Reply to Agustino I've changed my mind, Baden will be second to the gulag, you, first.
1. Write a POMO book (you can use this to get your chapters)
2. Put a very high price on it.
3. PM SLX about how good this new POMO book is (don't mention it's yours).
4. Wait.
5. Look at how easily the dough rolls in your bank account! :-$ :D
StreetlightJanuary 10, 2018 at 10:54#1422110 likes
Reply to Michael *squeals a little* Ahhh. I'm not allow to buy another book for another two weeks (self-limitation, lol), but that's totally next! You're the bestest!!
Hey @Agustino, I did the parody of you for you so you didn't have to... And yet you had to. ;)
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 10, 2018 at 11:43#1422200 likes
My fellow thinkers: can I ask if any of you had been involved with school sports? Any sport qualifies for my question but don't forget the wrestlers and Gymnastics.
Thank you for sharing and if you don't mind letting me know your age range, though most of you I hope I already know. (Y)
Reply to Posty McPostface I wrote a book once called: "The Science of Irrational Behaviors." It sounds close to what you might be looking for. I wrote it in the lost art of cursive on chalkboard, so it's unwieldy, but I can send it to you. It's 264 "pages."
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 10, 2018 at 11:53#1422250 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Clever, but no. I see what you're doing. You're trying to construct a jigsaw picture of my likeness to sell to the Russians.
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The allotment of death.
For the one path of my flight is direct
Through the bones of the living.
No arguments assert my right
There was a young lady from Kew
Who said, as the bishop withdrew
Oh, the Vicar is quicker
And thicker and slicker
And four inches longer than you
Thanks for the Hanukah wishes by the way. I guess being Jewish is not a big deal. It's all about Christmas anyway. I'll just water the tree with tears. That should keep it alive.
My favorite game:
There once was a young lady from Shmangina
Whose mother just came from Carolina
Her father barged in
stinking of gin
While his dog ate off her fine china.
I Google translated it:
What a beautiful one, they called Mezalina
everyone learned of it
the precious good
they did not know it before
after all, there was a ballerina
Yes, your limericks are beautiful in any language!
Gustavus Adolphus College in MN, a Swedish Lutheran college, does the whole Santa Lucia business--burning hair, gouged out eyeballs, lopped off breasts, etc.
By the time she was martyred in the 3rd century, there wasn't much left for the lions to eat.
Happy Hanukah! I hope the celebration of lights goes better than the Christmas tree did. Is your homeowners insurance policy up to date? Those candles are way more dangerous for your pet to eat but if they do consume them AND they are glow in the dark candles, you are in luck! Pets that eat glow in the dark wax make their potty piles easier to find in the Atlanta snow! I have decided this year, although a day late as I was up to my elbows in cookie dough, to celebrate the Jewish tradition of lighting candles, one for each night. Tonight I have chosen a Capri Blue that has a Wisp of Mediterranean air at night. It is a beautiful tradition. Now, what does it mean? Other than you are really prepared for the power to go out on that exact week of each year?
As far as the gifts, if you get one gift for seven nights, do they all have to be WOW presents?
Does a pack of Crayons count?
Am I right or am I right?
Trump, guns, and whether or not the moderators are doing a good job.
What is the traditional fare at the feast? Turkey and stuffing, matzo ball soup, hot dogs and beer?
I LOVE GARLIC!!! (L)
I also love the garlic butter, and was about to say that I didn't understand why this would be. It's because of the breath right? Lol.
I'm honored.
Yay! Why is everyone becoming birds? It's freaking me out...
They're not. It's just your imagination.
Chickadees are pretty sweet. They're one of the first birds to arrive for spring, so when they show up you know that spring is just around the corner. Plus they say "chika-dee-dee-dee-dee". So they're pretty much parrots too.
Hmmm, what is a bird's natural predator? Damn it! they rule the skies!
Starlings are great because of their iridescent plumage, their remarkable mimicry ability, and last but not least their flocking behaviour:
I've actually lost my old profile pic now so I may be stuck teaching the alphabet and basic interpersonal skills forever. Hope those skills will be appreciated here.
As long as I still get to say elameno-p.
I urge you to stop trying to steal their eggs.
That's their insecurity. I don't even want their delicious eggs.
Fence sitting is a favourite of birds...
Zing. Just for that I'm gonna let you say elameno-p.
The bigger the better when it comes to birds.
The flocking behaviour of the ostrich pales in comparison to the starling's.
Nothing beats my flocking behaviour. Then again there being only one of me does help.
Ever see Emus? I've never seen an ostrich in RL but people had Emus back home. They're similar.
Though, that was a dick joke.
Oh, well, I'm working on it. Think of me like Thanos, everyone else are like in possession of individual infinity stones, but I gotta catch 'em all. Working on the fourth. Still gots three to go after that.
:D
Nice thrush.
Mine's some sort of stork. He's kind of a bro.
Damn good photo. So good, that I called it a photo, rather than a picture, that's just how classy. I'm even more impressed if you really know the stork of sorts.
There's many sorts of storks, but i sorta just sorts em all out, ya know?
Ah, I Believe you're right, broh.
All the same, no need to refrain from crane rhymes, mang.
We should just call you "bird expert" forever now, until everyone forgets why.
I used to be; I'm rusty. I was a birder back in the day.
I'm going to be honest, I had no additional rhymes prepared.
Not expert. Enthusiast.
True, but I stopped the hobby when i was about 13, I was a weird kid.
Thanks for your honesty.
;)
I like bird expert better. I don't know the difference between those birds. Only obvious to an expert, me thinks.
Herons will do that to you.
They are rather unforgiving.
I saw a diseased pigeon eating a rat in the subway last Tuesday eve.
Easy to spot; the less work in the field, the quicker one reaches expert status.
You got me down. (Y)
You aren't allowed to be like that after having told me that a crane is a stork. What if I'd have repeated it, and then looked silly? Did you think of that when you were unintentionally mistaken?
Yes, mis-identifying bird species is a pretty egregious social fopaw regardless of race or creed. I never told you to follow my lead; the best you can do is learn from my mistakes, buy a field guide, and shadow in the field sometime soon. Don't worry, there aren't that many different herons.
That's why I stick to face book, and the daily mail. Trusted.
I wanna say something about this, but then again, it has "paw" in it, so I think it's better now.
I grrew up in front of a lake. My bedroom would be like, 5 feet away from the beach. During the summer, late at night, there was a an enormous heron who would come and fish right in front of our place, in about 2 feet of water or less. With us being something like 20-30 feet away from it.
I don't know much about herons, like life expectancy, but I saw one coming from the age of what, 6-7 to until I was 15-16. I assumed it was the same. Always walking around slowly without making a sound, giving perfect sword strikes with it's beak. It didn't move like anything else living, but like what back then I taught dinosaurs who move like back then. It was one of the most surreal moment of my childhood.
Language changes, and I'm an instrumental part of that process.
Yeah, but if I don't get to change yours, you don't get to change mine. :P
Nah, change away, we're about ready for another Tower of Babel anyways.
True dat. No one knows what to believe... oh I'm salivating. Never let it be a "who'. Dirty fucking whos.
"Steves"? "Josh"? "Kyle"? "Erin"???
When your name is one letter away from being a venerial disease or a cheap fish... :-}
There is one thing I will always be a chauvinistic pig about, but French traditionnal names sounds a billion times better than just about anything else. :P
Who? Like the guys from The Grinch?
Lol, yeah.
How could anyone have anything against the little whos? And Whoville?
Lol, "Sean Paul".
I know a guy that calls every French person "Sean Paul" before their actual name, which he includes. He's a Christian.
Yan, Tierry, Guy, Marcel...
Those dirty Christians
I've got nothing bad to say about him.
Yan is the Jewish form of Jean.
Tierry is properly spelled Thierry. Not the greatest, but still miles ahead of 'Steves'.
Guy is german.
Marcel means 'Dedicated to the god of War'. That's fucking badass.
I'll go for Marcel. I was just basing my list off of the first names of some of the French wine makers we work with at my shop. >:O
It's been so cold here in Boston, I saw a chicken with a capon.
I met a Seamus the other day. There's a great name.
>:O
Stefan A
The Vintage News
Dec 2017
Cool.
And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss, and when.
Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.
Remember The Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you -
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
Take heart in the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.
You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!
Sounds like kind of a let down.
Storkward.
Into the night?
I like this, especially the last sentence. Reminds me of a Veronica Wants to Die reasoning. Better yet, a Mash episode where the now paraplegic patient is crying his wears about wanting to die till one of the surgeons—I forget who—starts strangling the guy on his patient’s cot … When the guy violently fight’s back as best he can against being killed, the surgeon than states the obvious: “looks like you don’t want to die after all”.
So, with the holiday season in mind, a merry “Give up!” on my part to one and all—however it may apply in the particular.
I like that. Thanks.
Well, to be crystal clear, a very happy Give-up! season to you as well!
Merde, as the French might say.
[hide="Reveal"]
As long as it wasn't a crime, it doesn't make you accessory after the fact. >:)
To each their own. The attitude, or personality of that sort of thing to me feels...like a resignation. It feels like an attempt to cover up frustration and failure in life with something that's clever, which assuages the wound. Not quite cynical, which is actually worse than full-on cynical. But I'm a young whipper-snapper, so I could be wrong.
There should never be a conversation that involves a wet marsupial. Never.
Well, you're definitely consistent. (Y) :)
A backgrounder...
The National Lampoon grew out of the Harvard Lampoon, which was put out by Harvard students being irreverent. The spin off into the National Lampoon didn't last very long, and better production values didn't really help it. Deteriorata is a satire of Desiderata, a 1952 poem by Max Ehrmann with stanzas like
It became very popular, and was the sort of thing that was put on plaques and given to youth for their edification. It has a lot of these positive sounding non-inferential statements that influenced sappy hippy philosophy a few years later.
Sometimes the satire ruins the original:
Joyce Kilmer's several stanza poem
Was satirized by Ogden Nash as
Some of us are perversely driven to twist a nice sentimental poem about trees into something sarcastic. Nice sentimental people often find this practice unpleasant.
:-O
Tree, L ittle Flower!
Did you just use "tree" as a verb?
I know. :P I liked that seemed to be using it rather creatively; "to tree: to grow".
I'm too much of a treeing little flower myself to rap anyone's knuckles; I thrill to see language changing before my very budding little flowers.
(L)
Quoting Wosret
Actually, no, but I like your interpretation.Wos
Quoting Wosret
was remarking that "everyone" is suddenly adopting bird avatars; and I was pointing out that mine is a tree and his is a flower.
:P Regardless, "Tree, little flower!" is a phrase that won't be leaving my lexicon any time soon.
Cool; it's a creative misreading. And that seems to be pretty much what it's all about. I was being purposely somewhat obscure or allusive there, but your interpretation came as a fresh surprise. 8-)
My speciality. >:O
Quoting Janus
The beauty of language. 8-)
I am so ready for Christmas to just get over with.
I'm treeing, I'm treeing.
You could still tree harder Yggy!
Show me how.
Just push upwards!
I'm the world tree, I push ninewards.
Oh shit, you're probably doing the best you can, then.
Just saying, that if anyone knows better, I ain't leaving. :D
Don't leaf; tree!
I see what yew did there.
I can't stop.
Or I should say, I can't stump.
Oakay, but wood yew at least concedar it?
*applause*
Maple I'd concedar it if my jokes were less poplar around here; life can be a beech, so it's always possible.
Olive for this sort of thing, yew know?
Fir sure.
I like to spruce up the place now and then.
I'm rooting fir yew, but maple yew should concedar branching out into other fields.
*bows down*
Or does it pine for a beauyewtiful peach to grow next to?
May be. Aspen on my mind lately. Not aldernarily. Ash should think not, but willow ways wonder about that one.
Indeed, a tree never grows sycamore questions.
Nice edits I cedar, I'd say you're at the 'elm of tree puns, but if'ins cypress you further, will you branch out, or turn into a weeping willow?
Ohhh, the deep cuts, num num.
Those are some hoary roots!
The worst kind!
I pondered this fateful, stormy afternoon in the dusty humidity as the impending rain not yet ready to burst out of the dark clouds that pirouetted above me whether there was a word, indeed just one, that you could not turn into something venereal.
Yam?
We call our yams sweet potatoes where I'm from. That is also what we call our women, at least I do. Well, I've now done it once, and I think the term ought to stick.
So, I'm eating this sweet potato, covered from top to bottom in butter. It's squirming all over the place. I can't keep it steady, so I jam a fork straight through the center of it to hold it down. It opens up, its insides gushing all about. It's too much for me, with all its bouncing about, and so I put my bare hands on it, coating them with butter and the insides of the sweet potato, and hold my hands forcefully on it, finally being able to consume it until I'm sure its done.
The beauty of art is that you don't know if you're experiencing a sex scene, a horrendous murder, the consumption of a yam, or a combination of all three.
Ever had sweet potato pie?
No, but I make a sweet potato mash with all-spice once in a while. Lovely combination with lamb stew.
Anyway, the stew had rutabagas, cabbage, carrots and some other things. It was really good. I've made it a few times. It is lovely. The only thing that would make it more lovely would be to eat it with a sweet potato mash and share it with you. Yes, just you and me. Lovely.
Going to have to go home soon (L)
So 1 vote can make a difference.
I have lots of good ideas. Lots.
Or you could quote the old post and copy and paste the text that appears in the text box into the new post. These quotes automatically have links back to the posts they're from.
By the way, the draft of your new post will have been saved so it'll still be there when you return.
No, not yet and indeed not for a while as the summer fruits of Australia' loins are bursting at the moment and together with the impending Christmas festivities, many have requested a desire to taste my cherry pie recipe. The idea of popping open the glorious pie lid and savouring the delicious wonders within is something that leaves me both terrified and excited at the same time, perhaps because I am critical of my cooking, perhaps a lack of self-esteem and the fear of rejection, who knows. All I know is that right now, sweet potato is not on the menu.
Neither is cherry pie, actually. I don't celebrate Christmas. There needs to be someone you love for it to really be a celebration. Did you see how I went full circle there?
Sometimes I let my little nephew help me.
No offence because I love Polish food and Polish people but Riverside is a Czech/Bohemian Restaurant. When I was young, my Grand Parents would "Sponsor" ladies from Poland to come over to the USA and help out with the in home care of my Great Grandparents. They were some of the strongest women I have ever encountered that still wore a dress. They would lean down and pick me up like I was a doll and I remember the speed in which they spoke and looking down to this worn, round face with teeth gilded in Silver and wondering if I was safe. At the same time, these same women would sit around the kitchen table and crochet the most delicate of doilies for my Granny. I still have two of those doilies and I treasure them, in a plastic bag to keep them safe, in the drawer. ;) I guess I am just not a 'doilies' kind of person. They were the most amazing cooks! I learned a lot of my cooking skills from my Granny who I know learned from the Polish ladies.
Christmas begins.
I assure you that regardless of how adept or a not a cook you are, your cherry pie recipe will be very much appreciated and enjoyed. It's not that some don't make a better cherry pie, but that sticky sweet goodness is nearly impossible to ruin, and even when the effort is uninspired it's most typically still delicious. Because of that, your fears of rejection and lack of self-esteem shouldn't limit you, but what should be your concern is that your celebrants are attending not for the spirit of the season or for joining together in sincere communion, but are instead only attending so that they can enjoy the cherry pie for dessert.
As to your final comment that you don't celebrate Christmas, I recognize that it's difficult to join in celebration with those who don't share your deepest beliefs, as there's something admittedly debasing in engaging in a sacred act with a non-believer. That is, if you consider the manger to house the son of God but your visitor considers it a simple barnyard display, perhaps you've invited the wrong guest.
And to bring this full circle, I do wonder whether all this analysis of cherry pie is worth it because, after all, it's just cherry pie. I just wonder if any cherry pie, even the finest ever considered, can live up to the expectation. I mean, Jesus fucking Christ, we are just talking about cherry pie.
So you're telling me that you really love Polish sausage? That's what I took from this story, despite the distracting details you provided about your childhood.
When I was in Bavaria, I enjoyed me many a sausage, less so while in Prague, and I never made it over to Poland, where I'm sure the sausage culture was thriving. As you venture north, particularly Scandinavia, there are many unusual fish dishes, with much less emphasis on sausage, likely because they just have less meat, although I cannot vouch for that because I didn't specifically take a look see.
It being 2017, I would suspect you'd even find a fish sausage somewhere, although it is hard to understand how something might be born a fish and end up a sausage.
And by "sausage" do you mean penis and by "sweet potato" do you mean hole bored into the back of someone's skull? You're sick. Really fucking sick. Where do people like you come from?
Yeah, but who do you still admire? Your life may have no purpose, but that's not a bad thing. By the way, should I give up philosophy?
Wait, what?
Virginia election now tied after GOP challenge
And whatever happened to Paris Hilton. I do miss her. Can't she at least go make out with Lindsey Lohan and Miley Cyrus at a nightclub just before getting arrested for drunk driving with cocaine in her purse that she insists isn't hers?
Oh, pretty good.
Thank you
Geez... TimeLine is always hating on the Kardashians and now you're picking on Paris. You people.
The Queen can't be arrested.
Someone stole her, I'm sure of it. We found her collar on the porch.
Yes.
(Y)
Let haters be haters.
It's all the rage; get in on it while you can. Maybe a red-tailed hawk for you? I could see you as a hawk. A natural predator to the dove, like our friend
No change in avatar suggests self-confidence. Either that or a fear of self-expression...
Lordohlord, all those wires resting directly on your mattress and sheets.
I'm triggered. Triggered I say.
Also, best of all hopes finding your cat.
People fucking sucks. One of my friend got their dog poisoned and killed by some random dude giving treats around the dog playground.
I have apparently been 'working' all day. I love that no one can see my computer screen. "TL, you are so focused, you work so hard."
Yeah, no.
Gave my cat her Christmas presents yesterday, that's a terrible thing to do, particularly this close to Christmas, if she was stolen. Hopefully not, and she turns up.
Bitter Crankus told me it's something to do with winter apparently >:O
May your Cat be returned in good health~ (L)
I had it figured out before you even posted your post about it. In fact, I know what you're going to say in response to this post.
A group of owls is called a parliament.
A group of lizards is called a lounge.
A group of sweet potatoes is called a brothel.
A group of Badens is called the sexiest sassiest party ever!
Hm, I only hope you can manage to swallow when Santa comes.
A year's supply of bird seed and a strong migratory wind.
That sucks. Sorry to hear.
I just figured it out - hey TimeLine, it's Kardashians not Cardassians. No wonder you're so confused.
Sucks about your cat. Hopefully things work out. There might be local aid if you can't afford it.
The Cardassians are a reptilian, purpley/bluish in hue, selfish and evil species that joined forces with the Dominion (the creepy, gooey non-people, people looking things that live in a lake and got sick towards the end of DS9 and started peeling) and did some pretty atrocious things to the Bajorans. Yes, I watched DS9 and it was hard, but not as hard as Discovery with that Michael Burnham and her damned annoying quizzical facial expression and the stupid Klingons that don't actually look like Klingons but look like Orcs. It's fucking Star Trek. Vulcans are not Elfs. The Ferengi are not Hobbits. What the fuck?
I am not sure what species the Kardashians are though.
Picard for life!
Someone has got himself a girlfriend. And competition for her wares.
My cat started disappearing any time a female with five blocks was in heat, nearly always came back worse for ware. Nowadays he does not even want to come into the house, he just sits out by the gate and waits for someone to take him some food.
Alas, they are human.
Quoting TimeLine
I was a fan of the original Star Trek and New Generation. I watched all the others a bit, but never was pulled in. At work, when people would ask me what I wanted them to do next, I sometimes made them rephrase the question so I could answer "Make it so."
Looking back, the original was pretty craptacular, although I still have fond memories of watching it on Saturday nights. One weekend when I was 16, I was alone in my house and I decided to get drunk for the first time. I went to my father's liquor cabinet and poured myself three shots of three different liquors and drank them all down at once. Then I went down to the basement and watched Star Trek. After about 10 minutes, I got impatient that nothing seemed to be happening, so I drank three more, then went back to watching. I don't remember how the episode ended, but I do remember waking up the next morning in bed with puke all over the bed and walls and a very upset stomach.
Pun intended.
The Kardashians may be humanoid but they are not human, surely.
Quoting T Clark
How dare you.
TOS and TNG are both awesome and they differ entirely from the others precisely because of the relationships. Roddenberry understood people and he had that vision of a utopia where solidarity transcended race and gender. The universe was there as an aide for this bigger picture. TOS had Kirk, Ahura, Bones, Spock and their differences worked perfectly, the relationships were strong and believable that when you watch them, you are a part of that relationship. Same with TNG with Picard, Worf, Data, Deanna etc. You probably did not take the time to get to know them. You were too busy being weird.
Quoting Sapientia
Not really - Trump does have some support on TPF, he's a real gangsta like that.
Quoting Sapientia
Definitely - literarily zero support.
Quoting Sapientia
LOL! Are you kidding me? Then what are you, charleton, VagabondSpectre, jorndoe, Harry Hindu etc. doing around here? :P
Classier and on demand. If you have ever ridden in a "taxi" in a large USA city like Chicago or New York, you would be Ubering in a heart beat. The standards for an Uber car are much higher than those "Taxi's" that pay for a placard to operate.
Well yeah but sometimes you just have to take a risk in life, you know?
You are awesome and frankly we could use a little of that right now.
Basically a taxi.
Don't be pissy cuz we whipped your ass up and down the field in the Revolutionary War.
On the fun side, watching this thing is pretty amazing. He printed a Pyramid of that looks like it is made up of an infinite number of Triangles, flippin amazing.
I think he prefers the term "flogging" but in reality it is a mini flogger for your key chain. I adoringly call it a Kitten Flogger. 8-)
•4-door sedan, must seat 4 or more passengers excluding the driver.
•Year 2001 or newer*
•* Uber car year requirements vary by city. ...
•In-state car insurance.
•In-state plates.
•Current car registration.
•No marked, taxi, or salvaged vehicles.
•Pass the Uber vehicle inspection.
When @Baden isn't using it (Y)
I am very Impatient and adore his Irises but I don't Bogenvia in treeing. Oh Holly Hocks, I know how much he likes to Tuliping in public, so expect him here wearing Night blooming Jasmine flowers to cover his manly Rosebuds and maybe a Carnation covering his manhood, to keep onlookers from Crocusing.
Hmm, I think toxoplasmosis is the disease not the agent. And anyway, from my knowledge, a very large share of people, even in developed countries, have toxoplasmosis. If your immune system isn't compromised, it's not really an issue though, just goes into a latent phase. I'm quite sure I have it - I also had h. pylori before - and still may have it. Living in a developing country almost guarantees you have these things.
This seems to confirm my haunch. The symptoms seem interesting:
So it seems that it may be a positive thing in women in some regards (last point) :-O
Ayn Rand-loving CEO destroys his empire
>:O >:O >:O
Don't forget being drunk.
Yeah, from you and some occasional lukewarm support from Hanover. Whoopedy-doo.
Quoting Agustino
No, I’m definitely not kidding you. You yourself are one of those biased against it.
You're right. He is a gangster. He's buddy-buddy with the mafia.
He's also a liar, a hypocrite, a moron, a narcissist, a child, ...
Even if that is so (though I disagree) it wouldn't follow that the forum as a whole is biased. There are a LOT of New Atheists around here.
Whereas your support of him is just unfathomable.
Like who? I named to you 5 who are actually New Atheists. Add people like Michael, Arkady, and the like and you have even more. So there's at least around 10 New Atheists. This forum probably has around ~50 active & important members. So that means around at least 20% are New Atheists. I don't see how a forum with a 20% population of New Atheists can be biased against new atheists. That seems absurd.
Expressing masculinity and manhood on TPF should be banworthy. :D
Woo Hoo!!! Let's play "he loves me, he loves me not" with the petals of your flowers~
Then you could become a Sushi service platter 8-)
He has a child, actually children but he is definitely not a child. Now he may have some childish habits but no, he is not a child. (Y)
He's actually a good politician. I don't think there have been people who have followed through with all their promises in office for a while.
I think he would be insulted to be called a politician. I do hope he gets a true and fair investigation on Hillary, her server, the deleted emails and the truth about Benghazi.
I just think his base is somewhat batshit.
"Batshit crazy" is the phrase that @Benkei uses. Appropriate?
I don't think Benkei is wrong in using that term. I mean all the more so when SS, VA, and Medicare get cut in 2018.
Really? Did you just try to paint trump as an honest person? And even if he were honest (and I do like honest people), that's still not the right measure for a good politician. Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot were brilliant politicians too, who managed to solidify power and "follow through on their promises". It really shouldn't be a factor.
Point taken.
Trump isn't one of them.
Quoting Posty McPostface
You actually believe this?
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
What makes you say that?
Quoting Michael
Yes.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Baden, just a head's up. Antoinette called and said you left your bottle of Evian Spring Water in the aromatherapy room as you were detoxifying your skin with the natural mineral salts hand picked from an isolated Peruvian estuary by an Asháninka, who then blends it with the essential oils from the rare Amazonian Lily that Cecil the masseuse gently rubs all over your body as part of your fortnightly cleansing ritual.
Yeah, you are right about that. I had a couple of pine trees in a tub, they don't grow naturally where I live so I was really happy that they were even growing. And then the neighbors cat decided that the tub made a nice place to crap. Killed them in a week. But my cat got revenge and screwed the damn thing. Black street cats and expensive Siamese make really lovely kittens.
I refused to feed him outside once. He walked past the house for the next three days and did not even bother to look at me when I called him. After I put his food out again he went back to normal.
I bet the eerie, crying sounds of the ritual feline orgy was music to your ears.
Because Trump believes in American exceptionalism which I believe is a necessity to be successful in Capitalism. Trump respects and is willing to do what it takes to uphold the United States Constitution, a just constitution as Kant would suggest. ‘[A just constitution is] a constitution that achieves the greatest possible freedom of human individuals by framing the laws in such a way that the freedom of each can co-exist with that of all others’ – Kant Critique of Pure Reason
Trump doesn't believe in doing something one way simply because that is the way it has always been do. Trump believes in embracing change and the necessity of it to remain relevant on the world stage. Trump has been both a Democrat and a Republican which I have always felt would be the strongest leaders of the Executive branch of our government but has never been encouraged which would be to have a (D) President and a (R) Vice President or the reverse. That way there would be a chance of getting work done with bilateral support in the Congress.
Trump is a HUGE supporter of our military both active and Veterans and the care they receive when they come home. Trump is trying to undo some of the unnecessary red tape that has bound the hands of soo many small business owners. Trump is a builder by nature and is used to the pressure of having things done right, ahead of schedule and for less money than expected. Trump believes in removing the death tax or the inheritance tax which is the most logical move that any President could have made but he is making.
Do you see anything wrong with those beliefs?
If you were an American, would you see anything wrong with the pursuit of these beliefs?
You must be joking.
What makes you think I am joking. Has he done something to threaten the Constitution?
After reading the article I notice right beneath the headline a one line statement that explains his feelings which is: "The president is learning the limits of power."
Happy Festivus!
So first you say that Trump respects and is willing to uphold the Constitution and when I show you examples of where he doesn't, you try to defend him by suggesting that he doesn't understand the Constitution? That makes no sense.
You are under the impression that Trump is a politician or was groomed for this position. He wasn't. He Stepped Up because those who held the title of politician were fucking things up not just at home but on the world stage. We needed a correction and Trump was chosen.
Again, I have no idea how this is supposed to show that Trump respects and is willing to uphold the Constitution.
No I'm not. That's why I questioned Posty McPostface's claim that Trump is a good politician. I don't understand how he can actually believe that. He's terrible at being a politician.
What I am trying to explain is that the restraints of the power of the Executive branch are much tighter than any civilian could ever imagine from the outside looking in. I am not talking about life long politicians, knowing how fucked up things are but a civilian that only sees the effects of choices made by a Congress that lives in a bubble called Washington D.C.
Yet all your citations are about how Trump is performing as a President, which in recent history has always been a life long politician.
I'm sure most U.S. Presidents believe in American exceptionalism. Obama did. Putin criticized him for that, with Trump actually coming to Putin's support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism#Current_official_stance_and_its_detractors
'In a speech on the Syria crisis on September 10, 2013, Obama said: "however, when, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death, and thereby make our kids safer over the long run, I believe we should act... That is what makes America different. That is what makes us exceptional." In a direct response the next day, Russian President Vladimir Putin published an op-ed in The New York Times, articulating that "It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation... We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal." Putin's views were soon endorsed by future president Donald Trump who declared the op-ed "a masterpiece" to British television personality Piers Morgan: "You think of the term as being beautiful, but all of sudden you say, what if you're in Germany or Japan or any one of 100 different countries? You are not going to like that term," Trump said. "It is very insulting, and Putin put it to him about that."'
Things haven't worked out that way though. Trump has repeatedly attacked the filibuster rule as it often stops Republicans from being able to pass legislation without Democratic support. The two biggest pieces of legislation (healthcare and taxes) were worked on without even allowing Democratic input (the reason McCain gave for voting against the healthcare bill).
This suggests otherwise.
F*cking hilarious.
He won the most powerful, coveted, and competitive political position in the world. If your criteria for determining a good politician doesn't heavily weigh success, then your evaluation seems academic and judgmental as opposed to real world and practical.
History is replete with terrible people who were good politicians. Insult Trump for all sorts of things, but not having an intinctive understanding of a large segment of the American populace and knowing how to tap into that was not his failing. I'd even say that many (probably you included) have know idea why he won to this day.
It is also problematic of you to generalise the entirety of the American populace when such a poor voting turnout occurred with an estimated 55% and it perhaps exemplifies the idea of how language of political solidarity is really just an effort to mobilise a continuity of support. I recall many people protesting in shock of his triumph, but at the same time I understand why this subnationalism is necessary; he is president right now, accept it. Together with the poor competition of Hilary - not sure why she is still bloody hanging around - I would say that the republican party won and not Trump.
I don't see the connection between being a good politician and convincing enough of the right people to vote for you. Propaganda and a cult of personality can get a monkey elected.
I'm sure people voting for him just because he's a Republican or not a Democrat or not Hilary was a big part of that. And I'm sure a lot of people hating immigrants and wanting his ridiculous wall was a big part, too.
Hate the game not the player.
The election was 100% valid and attempts to delegitimize it aren't legitimate objections but are all part of the political process. The winner declares he's been given a mandate and the loser says she was cheated. It's all spin control. That's what politicians do.
Whether you love or hate him, he brilliantly won an election through tactics that every analyst and expert thought absurd, laughable, and suicidal. And he did it all on instinct, doubtfully once actually strategizing a move. He's not a evil genius. He's a natural.
Like I said though, none of this makes him any more or less a piece of shit. History is replete with political masterminds who were pieces of shit.
Not I!
Oh, the anti-socialist has arrived.
I agree with that and perhaps you are right about the Republican leadership loathing Trump as he polarises an archetype favourable to the voters, but it goes without saying that such leaders are advantageous to the real powers that actually effect national and foreign policy. I think this statement you make actually epitomises the reasons for the disillusionment of voters in your country and democracy cannot be ascertained adequately when voter turnouts are so low. The differences between us in Australia and the States is that we vote for political parties and not leaders that draws better attention to election promises and we also have compulsory voting that - while Arrows theorem proves still to be inadequate together with other failures of two-party system that makes democracy rather questionable - nevertheless strengthens demographic determinants.
Quoting Hanover
Again, I agree save for the whole apologist "brilliantly won" which returns back to my subnationalism political language and while it was legitimate, overall the United States has a lot of questionable methods that are disconcerting to have, especially for a superpower that I would prefer over China or Russia. The western world has a right to be concerned as your politics is beyond this national game you play.
I'm really sorry for how fucked up we are as a society and I refuse to get caught up by the bullshit driven by economics and only justified because it is nice. It is hard to wish you a merry christmas, but I wish it all the same.
Voter turnout was about 5% lower this election cycle than last. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html The numbers are interesting in that it appears the drop off was the result of Democrats not voting, likely because they didn't have a candidate that they chose. Quoting TimeLine
The word "brilliant" has no apologist or positive connotations in the way I use it in American English. It just references an impressive showing.
The typical objection to the American presidential system is that it is not directly democratic, but we use the electoral college system. Obviously it is more directly democratic than parliamentary systems. I do think, though, that the real objection to American politics is not procedural, but it's substantive. We can talk about all sorts of ways we could rearrange the furniture, but the message is fairly clear: If only it weren't Americans doing the voting. If these religious, patriotic, anti-intellectual, gun toting, John Waynes would just stay home on election day, there'd be a more reasonable President, right? That is, if Australia, the UK, the Netherlands, Germany (pick your Western country) were burdened with the American political process in its exact form, there's the thought all those folks would get it right anyway. I really don't believe that the left or the rest of the Western world really understands the Republican vote. It is so very confusing why otherwise intelligent people would vote in such a stupid or brainwashed or callous way seems to be the thought.
I see Trump as the pendulum to the right responding the Obama pendulum to the left responding to the GW pendulum to the right. I also think the left has no idea how despised Hillary is by the right. The left debates the issue, as if it matters at all whether Hillary truly is as bad as the right says she is, when what they really needed to pay attention to was just the simple fact, right or wrong, that the right sees Hillary as the anti-Christ. By running her, they assured themselves they wouldn't get a single Republican vote, that they'd get low turnout for their party, and they'd feed Trump a victory.
But did you find back your purrty kitty?
And, is your cat's eye getting better?
No, I think she's gone for good. Sad stuff.
Stay strong. There's always hope, even when there is none. O:)
What would Wittgenstein say?
Yeah, the zoo must have been sufficient.
A Wittgenstein hater. Why?
I don't *hate* Witty. I just don't relate at all to him as he is described in the litterature. He seems like the kind of person I would have been unable to stand being close to for any amount of time. People who'se anxiety and victimisation complex ooze out like plasma out of a 500-pound morbidly obese man who'se skin is broken all over.
Plus I don't much care for child beater or people who have abused their position and influence for sexual gain in relations to their students.
Sorry, in what sense?
That is certainly one such possibility, hence why Clinton should crawl back into her hole now and stay there. In addition, I think that Democrat voters assumed that Trump did not really stand a chance. It reminds me of the very first episode of the House of Cards when Spacey said: "President Elect. Do I like him? No. Do I believe in him? That's beside the point. Any politician that gets 70 million votes has tapped into something larger than himself, larger than even me... after 22 years in Congress, I can smell which way the wind is blowing." It is exactly what the Republicans needed the American public to think after such a successful Obama administration; they played their cards well.
Quoting Hanover
The electoral college swings to popular vote and so really it is just a formality, so I am unsure how that is obviously more directly democratic than parliamentary systems; if anything the EC almost undermines democracy. Being conscious of the fact that citizens vote a party in a parliamentary democracy rather than a leader does not make it any less democratic.On the contrary, I think the primary problem is the fact that more Americans are not voting so I am unsure of what you are talking about regarding this 'burden' of the US political process and the gun-toting patriots. We have those everywhere, even in Australia, but the disillusionment or lacklustre response to voting is concerning given the power of your government to influence international affairs. I find that astonishing, like Americans just don't give a shit.
Quoting Hanover
I completely agree (not that I think she is anti-Christ) but that it was a direct result of her leadership campaign that enabled Trump to win. I personally do not like Hilary and I swing to left, but I do think she is the lesser of two evils because I think the democrats are the lesser of two evils when I draw focus on foreign policies of either party as it directly relates to me and my concerns internationally. That is why I find discussions on Trump here disturbing when it is the policies that we should be focusing on.
I had a friend who was a nurse. She had stories. One was about "Slugman", who would litteraly leave a trail of ooze behind him wherever he went.
One night :
Me : Hey, how was your day?
Her : *crying* I SLIPPED AND FELL IN A TRAIL OF MAN-JUICE.
Hilarity ensued.
>>looking totally confuzzled at you Michael
Do you really believe that Obama believed in American exceptionalism? :s May I suggest his world wide apology tour as a funny way of showing it? But to bring up God and Obama is just too rich. Please. Do you remember that the community organizer that became President Obama, attended church Sunday after Sunday, worshiping the God he claims created us equal, as his Pastor counsels his congregation that blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God Damn America." Is that the American exceptionalism you are speaking of?
If you really want to run with Obama SAYING in a speech "however, when, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death, and thereby make our kids safer over the long run, I believe we should act... That is what makes America different. That is what makes us exceptional." With Trump ACTING on the gassing of Syrian children by using a bomb that has never been used before to let Assad know that this was not going to happen again and if it did there would be a price to pay, not words to ignore? I will leave that for you to rationalize.
Quoting Michael
A combination ticket is not an ideal I am going to give up on easily.
Quoting Michael
And this counters your suggestion.
[quote=Mirror Politics, Morning Newsletter, 12th December]Stagecoach’s contract to run the East Coast Mainline has been terminated just before it was due to pay the government more than £2billion for the right to hold the franchise.
Instead of insisting the company, a joint venture with Virgin, fulfilled its obligations, the Transport Secretary has agreed for a public-private consortium to run the line until the franchise expires in 2023.
Last year the taxpayer subsidised the supposedly private rail industry to the tune of £4.8billion.
The system of privatisation created by the Tories is so dysfunctional it allows taxpayers’ money to be filtered through private firms directly into the hands of a few rich shareholders.
For example, Go-Ahead, which runs Southern, Southeastern, London Midland and GTR, received £132million in subsidies last year for its rail operations and paid its shareholders dividends of £48million.
As a reward for overseeing this arrangement the chief executive earned more than £800,000.
The mystery is why people are not more angry about public money being used to enrich private individuals.
The amount taxpayers pay in rail subsidies is just over half the amount we are paying to the EU this year.
Though you will not see that on the side of a Stagecoach train or bus.
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[I]*shakes head*[/I]
Cheers!
How was it successful? Other than barely passing a watered down healthcare bill while he had a majority in both houses, he was entirely unable to swing a single Republican vote on any of his initiatives, resulting in him abusing the power of executive order. Leading the choir isn't leadership, and forcing your position on others has no lasting effect in a democracy as everything just as quickly gets disassembled when a new sheriff steps in. His legacy is being erased daily. That's not evidence of a great leader. We need a unifier, not an ideologue. I'm not suggesting Trump's the answer.
Quoting TimeLine
I don't think anyone votes from such an empathetic perspective. People vote because of their personal situation, and I think it's a bit much to expect their motivation to arise from a feeling of needing responsible leadership for the rest of the world. That is, since I know US policy will affect the French, I have an added responsibilty to carefully vote to assure the French a safe and prosperous four years? Even if that ought be in part my motivation, I don't think it'd be astonishing if it weren't. That's just not what motivates people generally.
Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments
Edit: Just noticed that this was in March/April 2012, so this isn't even all of his first term.
Any volunteers?
Bueller?
I think for the most part the ideological differences between Democrats and Republicans are too extreme for bipartisanship to happen on a lot of issues.
Edit: although saying that, according to this, "Yes, Obamacare passed without any Republican support, but that’s the single example of purely partisan legislation in the Obama Era. Every other bill signed by Obama came with at least one Republican vote. Granted, some came with more than others. But getting just one vote from the other side always involved determined negotiation and substantive compromise."
Merry Christmas and hey, I am feeling so blessed already that I might just share any physical presents I might get with you!!! (Y)
How many is abuse? In terms of executive orders by year, he's 23rd. In terms of total, only 6 8-year Presidents had fewer (with 11 having more).
Seems like his use of executive orders was pretty average.
Obama got me to vote for Trump. That's an accomplishment.
Sup.
Merry Christmas broseph.
Hope yall like the new avatar.
I heard on the BBC early this morning that only castrated reindeer have antlers in late December. On Dasher. on Dancer, on Comet, on Catsup. One wonders about the elves who are enslaved in Santa's Sweatshop.
No. News to me.
Quoting Posty McPostface
There's only 1 ball.
One ball is one too many. Lemme redo the avatar then.
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Ooo a volunteer? (Y) The potatoes are grated raw and plunged into the sour cream to keep them from going brown because they are cooked in the sour cream egg mix, they never see the clarity of a pot of hot boiling water. Ohh if only it were so easy!
Got a peeler? We did the Onions and Bacon yesterday so today it is the manual work and then over the river (bed) and through the 72* hills, to Granny and Gramps house we go~ (L)
Peace on earf and good will towards everyone!
Err, where did you say you come from?
I am sent from dream.
I might believe nightmare. >:)
Perspective.
Everyone is angry because ... holidays, I guess?
I have nothing to do but get annoyed at how generally annoyed everyone else is.
Money!
Just wish everyone else had brought a book or something to keep them shut up, and would stop bitching about how terrible the Holiday season is. :-}
Good money!
Thanks, it is.
Pretty much first time in my life money isn't terrible, so yeah, feels great.
I envy your green grass and summer light. We have 3 feet of snow everywhere here.
On a side note:
Has anyone here been to Morocco? I am - like right now - purchasing tickets because I am hiking the Atlas Mountains later this year and want to know whether Fes is worth going to? I am going to Marrakesh.
Timeline confirmed for petite-bourgeoise. :P
It just wouldn't be Christmas otherwise.
Note the testicular chin.
Damn, that looks like Hyde Park!
Are you taking the disadvantaged with you?
Eww. Only weird people are from Sydney.
I have clothes older than you.
I haven't only hiked the atlas mountains, but I've conqured them, reduced them to lower case, chopped them down with the edge of my hand. Voodoo childed that bitch. https://youtu.be/n07TSnndg8I
A more serious observation:
At some point in everyone's life they begin to wear the clothes of resignation, clearly signaling they have given up being a sexual being, but instead believe themselves better suited for large cat sweaters and jeans that belt just below the breasts. I, on the other hand, continue to buy form fitting skinny jeans, all bedazzled and hip, with strategic tears showing off my testicular cleavage to my demanding public.
I just realised that I am not attracted to anyone. I was initially rather scared. I mean, there I was at home in track pants and a singlet, my hair tied up with a pen all messy and careless, book in one hand, hot chocolate in another. What has become of me?
I now realise that I need you, Hanover. I need you. Your helmet hair glued back by uppercut monster hold wax. Your tanned skin peeking out of the tears on your superskinny jeans that you wear with your flippy floppies. Your tight fitting t-shirt with a little humorous quote to make you seem so down to earth as you swing your hips while taking your chihuahua for a walk.
You are the one.
Yeah, right...I never claimed to be not weird. Is it Hyde Park or not? I have this not not weird feeling you are not going to tell me...
All so accurate, except I swish, not swing. Ambiguity is so perfectly 2018 and I rock it submissively hard.
But you need me? Hah! Just another come on from someone out for a good time, to trample my heart, to have her way and to say "I'll call you," but to never think twice as I stare at my phone waiting, my heart racing when a text comes through, but deflated to see it's just a notice my T-Mobile bill is due. Go play with someone else's heart. Tell me you meant it. Tell me.
We keep doing this. I did text you, remember, and you quickly returned the favour by sending me that picture with a message that wrote, "This is Legion Commander Maximus." I was traumatised and after I threatened legal action, you apologised and accepted that there will never be messages between us again. So I forgave. I forgave despite the hurt and the horror. But, what did you do next? You call me, 3am, weeping heavily and telling me you are afraid, asking me to come over and hold you tight as it is cold, the storms and rain outside frighten you, for me to softly sing you a lullaby with your head gently betwixt my bosoms.
You haven't changed. You are an emotional mess. It's over.
How does that help me? This response is just as annoying as when someone points out the obvious. "Hey, you have a pimple." No shit.
Just to prove the sophistication of not being a weird person from Sydney, I will answer your question and confirm that it is not Hyde Park. Because Hyde Park is in Sydney. And Sydney is weird.
Yes. I went to Marrakesh and Essaouira. Was pretty good.
I was hoping to recognise a landmark. The trees look familiar to me, but they could be in a garden or park in at least half Australia-- the mystery remains.
NicK was able to give me this gift because of the blessing of two new clients, both small businesses and are expanding to medium size small businesses, as a result of the tax breaks for employers.
A flippin car! Snow ready as we prepare to move our ranch up North and we will take all of you with us! Yaaaaaaaaaaay!!!
:-O Really? And I always thought Hyde Park was here...
That's awesome. Damn good Christmas then! Congratulations!
But when you hold me and sing to me in your thick Eastern European tongue and feed me the fermented beets and candied cabbage your village is known for, I feel so loved.
If you give me another chance, I will caress your thighs calloused from your nightly affections and whisper the patriotic songs of bloody violence from your youth into your cauliflower ears. Don't leave! Not on Christmas!
It's been recommended to me by friends whose judgment I trust and who have been there. So I'd go.
We don't eat raw herring in the Netherlands. We do celebrate the new fatty herring each spring. Its intestins are removed but its pancreas remains, which has a ripening effect and they're salted (and frozen for 24 hours to kill parasites). It's served with raw onions which have an acid that denatures proteins much like ceviche. That's as close to raw as it gets but it isn't sushi.
The pickled shit is raw.
Just realized : a corporate office would make an awesome paintball venue.
But that money...
Yeah, but think about it this way. What's the point of making 2x the cash when you miss the one day of the year where everything is 50%-80% off?
But wait until the after holiday deals.
Build your own. AMD's CPUs are pretty economical.
You may not be a weird person from Sydney, but if you think not being a weird person from Sydney constitutes sophistication then you are weird.
"People are strange when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone" The Doors
Same might go for cities for some folk.
Do you have any idea just how uncomfortable it made me when I got home to find a package waiting for me, so excited about the contents of this surprise only to feel distressed when I found that it contained a Bohemian Kroj and a Slavic wimple with a message that wrote My dear Anastasia, how I yearn to kiss those sharp cheekbones as I once did before the war.
I'm not Anastasia.
It will be a tight squeeze because I only have five weeks off work and I will be spending almost four weeks in Israel doing a doco. I guess I could try and do a return flight from Fes after flying into Marrakech to do the trek, but I like spending more than a few days in one place to really absorb myself in the culture. I hate being touristy.
At this point we can safely say no one is. Poor girl.
Why were you hoping? My concerns against your name are slowly manifesting.
Only the narcissism of recognising a localish place I knew about or had visited. Alas, I am a disappointing villain.
Still, I'm sure some true crime show would be able to make something out of just wanting to recognise places you knew in media. I'll make a list of my preferred ominous music.
I'll probably be hunted down by some gang of funk clowns for stealing their theme song.
Let that be a lesson to you kids: don't be curious about seeing places you know on the internet. The clowns will get you.
Huh. Had always assumed it was a Buffy the Vampire Slayer reference.
I have no idea of who my secret admirer might be, but they so better understand me than you, whoever you've become - traveling to remote north Africa in search of a floozy lesbian belly dancer who will no doubt impregnate you and leave you. Don't come running to me to raise your single sex conceived bastard. I'm not doing that again. Consequences. Learn the word Miss Free Spirit.
Reminds me of Hendrix. Couldn't find original version, but the Clapton version's cool. https://youtu.be/XdIHxpx9VUc
Jealous that Farhad Al-Maghrebi The Magnificent swishes her hips better than you?
I don't know. This goes to a level of serious I have trouble understanding.
Correct. This puts you in illustrious company of yourself: in almost ten years using the name on the internet, I don't think I've had a single person make that connection.
Ah! I knew all these years of unreasonable media consumption would eventually pay off.
Still, Dark Willow was the hottest Alyson Hannigan ever got on screen. Dark hair & dark eyes.
Surely it's not serious for you? Is it, really?
Well, I would be surprised about that. For example, I did make that connection but never mentioned it since I don't know much about popular culture, TV shows, etc. . It's not particularly hard, all that someone has to do is google your name.
Today begins the BIG push to get the ranch ready for sale! Well it starts with a perimeter walk and then move in from there.
In other news....the house my Mother in law was WAS looking to buy in Oregon is no Bueno. Which might be why there are 15 house listings in Prescott on NicK's computer as we look for our new NEXT place to land our family in life~
And this time, there will be no 'livin in a van down by the river'
I like Wilson.
Wilson is so happy.
What's your new years resolutions, Tiff, aside from the fact that since your man brought you a car, you're going to give him some backseat, hardcore lovin' for the next twelve months until he regrets ever buying you the damn thing?
Why thank you!? For you or for my own good?
He looks like a devil. I don't believe he can talk though so I will skip asking him how he is doing.
Wilson is a pure being. He only desires the good.
Quoting Sir2u
He only speaks when asked. He's very polite that way, not intrusive or overbearing.
So where did you buy your smokes today?
No smokes today. Just spent a little time at the library thinking about Wilson and how a great companion he is.
I just vape. Supposedly much safer. Whats new with you?
Maybe it is time to find someone to talk to then. I have noticed that you spend to much time fussing about you avatar.
Quoting Posty McPostface
There is not much new with me, I have just been trying to finish some work I started a couple of months ago. Been working on the new bathroom and laundry room. I got pissed of because I put a pipe in the wrong place and had to spend 2 hours correcting the mistake. I was hoping to get the tiles done this weekend.
Hey, maybe that is what you need. Some sort of a project to get your mind of your avatar.
Day 4 of no cigarettes for me.
Oh, a harmless obsession. If it bothers I won't ask anymore.
Quoting Sir2u
Sounds like a lot already done. Good job!
Quoting Sir2u
Wilson is just an interesting character. Never spoke on camera; but, moving to many who have seen Castaway, that they cried when he was lost by Tom Hanks on his raft. I find it both interesting, satisfying, and edifying to know that for, some reason.
I wouldn't have it any other way.8-)
Lololol oh my....no, no backseat hardcore lovin as a resolution! And let's be honest here, most resolutions make it to the middle of February and then are left by the wayside. My Chiropractor would laugh WAY too hard at me when I would have to go in for treatments and would ask me just how young I thought I was... O:)
Some sage advice: Never do anything in your sexual life that you would be embarrassed to tell an emergency room Doctor. Not that I ever have had the experience but advice I have followed all the same.
Oh yeah the resolution... my resolution is to begin to downsize my life to a more manageable circle now that the Indians are growing up and finding life exists outside our tribe.
What are your New Year's resolutions?
Damn that looks like Hyde Park! (L)
I'm beginning to sense a theme here.
In my case, rather than "be more patient" it might be "stop being such an asshole."
They're not actually going to eat those; they're just pretending.
Join me and Friday on our island.
So far, I've become Kramer. I'm exploring
I think the visage of Kramer telling you about your mistaken aesthetic assumptions, your failure to see the essence of the "me-centric" ontology of essential existentialism, and your confused assumptions about the nature of religious belief and religious epistemology is something much-needed here on the cold tundra of the TPF. Just sayin
I have vivid memories of my older brother chasing me around my Granny's house (that was NEVER to be RUN in) in our good clothes, my hair in ribbons and braids and he close behind with a floppy piece of Pickled Herring making it say "Eat me! EAT ME"!! Which sent me screaming "MOMMMMMMMMM"!!!!!!!!!! All being followed by my Granny's prize Pekinese puppy who never got to have such fun! Oh you can just imagine the pitch of my scream!
Oooo and the look on my Granny's face.....it still makes me shudder!
I am actually on someone' resolution list! I have never received any sort of anything from anyone, this feeling is making me just so... wait, what?
Quoting T Clark
I thought I was special... oh the pain! :’(
Is that a metaphysical statement or an existential one?
Notwithstanding the fact that I don't actually have a sexual life (let's be honest, farkin), I see absolutely no qualms in telling your doctor that you copulated 365 times in the back of a vehicle as a form of gratification for both you for receiving this gift and, well, hopefully you for the copulation. It is a total win-win situation. As Hanover would say, I'm jelly.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Hopefully, spending time on your own. It is actually really healing and empowering, you recognise what you want and not what you do because it is necessary. I am sure you will reach that resolution. (Y)
Good news: Puppies.
Bad news: One died.
R.I.P. Lil' fella.
But also yay!
Dog be like, *gtfo*.
Yeah, I've seen several English sites refer to this but it's incorrect. There's no preserving liquid involved where it concerns Hollandse Nieuwe. Intestines are removed except for the pancreas which causes a continued ripening process. It's salted and usually served with onions. Only the onions have an effect similar to pickling but they're optional.
To cute! (L) I would kick any other dog in the face for her.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
I have made plans and I know I will follow them through in the practical sense. But two things: to no longer desire an apology from others who have done wrong to me to face things as it is and not what I hope it would be.I think that is the only way you can find forgiveness. And to say yes to the next guy who blatantly asks me out (it is always out of the blue and so random that I tend to freak out) but only to give them a chance to redeem themselves.
So let's just flesh this out right now with a single question and a single numerical answer:
How often do you think a couple married for 23 years, together for 27 years, have intercourse in a year?
Awww how adorable! Did you know she was pregnant?
From one friend to another? Just give into the Herring thing unless you were traumatized as a child over the icky fish :-O
Yes, yes, YES!! Drop all expectations (implied or applied) of anyone other than yourself and life becomes a lot less disappointing. ;)
Quoting TimeLine
Yo Hanover!!! Get your Lizard tail over here!
Oh yeah, been waddling around for weeks. :)
What is the breed of the Dad of your puppies?
1095 times.
>:O Just joking. Assuming you got married at 23, you're both old people now (relatively :P ). Even if you wanted to do it 3 times a day, you would not be able to.
So more accurate guess is less than 52 times a year.
Nice name (Y). I should let you dub my pups. Parents both Poms.
Yes, less than 52 times a year. lolololololololol
Both of my Rottweiler's carry the breeders last name until we breed and then the pups will be our own name if we change them and I am not sure that I will since their blood line is pure and papered. Princess Kahlua will breed to Prince Bailey Von Reisig and then we will have PUPPIES!! My Mom was a breeder of Champion Lhasa Apso dogs for 20yrs and has whelped 18 litters, biggest litter was her first of 10 pups and her smallest litter was 5 pups. In the 20 yrs she lost two pups, one was stillborn and the other passed soon after birth despite all efforts to save the pup. So when Princess Kahlua has her pups, Mom is going to be right here, I mean RIGHT here.
How exciting!!! What a way to begin the new year!!!
How many are you going to keep? O:)
Going to keep the two lads and ship out the little bitches. ;) Kind of had enough reproductive issues over the past couple of years.
My concern regarding reproduction is that the male dogs will get to her on her first heat. What on Earth am I going to do?
Amateurs. Sex is to be had on the hood of the car.
Sex shouldn't be had in the trunk (or as the Brits say, "boot") because most trunks are filled with junk and it can also be quite uncomfortable.
Every New Year's my fam eats plum pudding, sexes it up on the car hood until the ball drops, and drinks Zima, the non-beer, until the mourners throw us out of the cemetary.
Every family's different I guess.
Quoting Hanover
There was nothing pure about the way they were breeding and I've got the vids to prove it. But, yes, far as I know.
Did they do it missionary?
Video will be ready for you when you get back. (Still articustupilackafecacleansia here. )
Shower first.
What if he says "I fink yore hot" when he asks you out? Will you still go out with him?
I've been trying to follow this conversation, but I keep getting lost. Explain again please, when does the herring become the body of Christ?
Speaking of Dutch seafood, my brother and I visited Europe together in 2014. We stayed in Amsterdam for two days and then went off to the Alsace and Black Forest areas ending up our last day in Noordwijk aan Zee on the North Sea. It was cool and very blustery, but pleasant for walking on the beach.
We had oysters there that were the strongest tasting I've ever had, although they were completely fresh. I love raw oysters, but they were a little too much for me. Those Dutch are a tough bunch.
I really love the Netherlands. Makes an engineer feel right at home.
It wasn't non-beer in those Zima bottles it was pure Moonshine and you know it. How are you going to eat your Herring when the clock strikes midnight?
Ok, so if we calculate 23 years of at least twice a week - bare minimum in a marriage, surely - we would have (156 x 23), plus the first three years of at least twice a day all over the house, potentially in the garage, rolling around in the backyard, on the roof (3 x 730), and for arguments sake your new years resolution of everyday in the backseat of the car so (365), which will mean: (3588 + 2190 + 365) = 6143 over the span of 28 years.
I gather you never had the need to pay for a gym membership.
Quoting Hanover
Uncomfortable? Who is the amateur now.
... before pretending to drop something on the floor and doing an awkward bent-over row movement as he gently collects it and accidentally notices how wonderfully his biceps just flexed?
Sorry, but I don't want to be with a guy who looks like a designer, leather purse full of walnuts.
Ok, wait, a promise is a promise, a resolution is a resolution, but surely we are intelligent enough to forecast?
That may be quite a lot for some people since sex is tiring. Men often want to be lazy and sit with a beer watching a football match with their friends - not have sex >:O
Fine, you've convinced me my concerns were unfounded.
Nope, never. Lololololololol
Quoting Agustino
And for Heavens sake: after two decades what haven't you tried to spice things up?
Roleplay, BDSM, 9.5 Weeks reenactment, hood of the Trans Am on the top level of the Airport parking garage at night, phone sex, dirty talk, hammock breaks, elevator sex, threesomes, sexting, pool frolicking, naked snow angels, on the edge of the world on the Mogollon Rim certain death if pushed too far, on the roof of City Hall....
I am game for ideas.....
As to where I'll enjoy my herring, I''m not sure whose car it will be in yet, but definately it'll be enjoyed in the front seat. I don't care how tidy one keeps their trunk, I must refuse.
Enjoyed and herring in one sentence -----ughhhh
Not everyone who started the year with us, are here with us now and to those we raise our glass in good memory~ We wish the new folks who have found us, a warm welcome with open arms, open minds and we raise our glass in thanks for you being here. To those fortunate enough to have gained a wealth of wisdom in staying here, together through another year, we wish you good health, a hungry mind and a peace within yourself that if you lose track of, we will help you find again.
In good health and good times, I wish all of us a Happy New Year and an awesome embrace of 2018.
So true! 2017 can kiss my ass! Go on...get goin... O:)
Dude, birds were last week.
Birds never go out of style 8-)
What would I know, I am a Vestal Child (Hendrix Paradox... with Peer Gynt music instead)... the unmarried, unadultered and undefiled who talks naughty. Tiff is a bad influence, so bad that she has now officially put me off marriage.
Nevertheless! I know you want a designer marriage that paints a portrait of nuclear perfection, but what on earth makes you think your wifey would not want to be there watching the football too and then if your team wins, to have a bit of a celebratory rumpy-pumpy in the closet?
This morning's view :D
Happy New Year all!
>:O - that is a possibility, but then most women around here don't like watching football too much - so I wouldn't bet on it. When they do, it's typically just to please the guy. Though obviously there are some exceptions.
Why would the celebration occur in the closet? That's a weird place for celebrations... do you often celebrate stuff there? :P
Your neighbor...
Have you seen Castaway? You'll find Wilson there. He's a fictional character from that movie.
No.
It's a great film. Give it a shot. It's also religious in a Daniel Defoe way.
Is it better than... Borat? >:O
Totally different genres.
I can't stand crowds.
(Had a bit of bourbon left for toasting new years with some folks overseas. Skype - it's cool like that.)
I resent this.
I used to play forward when I was young and the youngest girl in the senior state team, but I had to leave when I turned 17 for personal reasons. Soccer was my escapism during tough times when I was young and sure, maybe it was just my way to get close to and impress my older brother, but I still love it nonetheless. You formulate ideal generalisations that fabricate false categories as an image to articulate a faux 'reality' - an image that you follow to make you appear to be someone that can largely be understood.
Are you not suggesting that this whole "guy thing with beer and friends" is not an image of masculinity and that it is you who is trying to please the men you have with you? Is the woman supposed to be in the kitchen making lemonade that she will serve to you all? Does it mean that because - as a woman - I like soccer that somehow I am forfeiting my femininity?
No. I can watch a football match, cry out when Ronaldinho does something right, and I can do so while knitting and drinking a fucking cup of green tea with a slice of lemon if I want to.
I don't know, maybe it is because of this long drive back home right now and the nausea of sitting in the back seat that is making me all inarticustupilackafecacleansia, but if we remove this image people formulate to make sense of others, we would attain the freedom and autonomy to enjoy the world as it is.
All you need is someone who shares the same virtues - who is loyal, intelligent, good-natured - but what makes a relationship interesting is the differences, the individuality. I would hate to be with a mindless person who copies me or follows this social image. Imagine trying to have a conversation with such a person? It would be painful.
If you formulate an ideal, if your parents approve, your friends approve, and it looks right, you will be miserable.
Mr. Rogers lookin good. Glad to see you're on the celeb avatar train.
Keeping it rolling.
Happy New Year!
That we are screwed probably.
I would hop on you solo solipsistic soul train but I am just too busy being me to boss all the nonentities I once spawned and who now linger on. I have spawned throngs. I comprise worlds.
We can see how that would be the case. Now, don't get all paranoid. Remember, you are not going to be paranoid in 2018?
We are totally screwed. Definitely.
But then, if I listen to you, wouldn't that be listening to not-so-real voices? I mean, how do I know you exist?
I gather that this would not be the first time that not-so-real voices has been a problem for you. As for whether I am, or anybody here including you is real is a long-standing problem. It is possible that we are all merely sub-routines in an Amazon server farm somewhere near a large hydroelectric facility. When the rivers run dry, we will cease to exist.
So, then, are you saying I am right?
Not really, I just tell you what I've noticed. Many of the guys I know complain that their gfs don't want to watch football with them very much.
Quoting TimeLine
I didn't say any of these, I just made a general observation. It doesn't follow from a general observation that women are supposed to be like this or otherwise, since watching football isn't a moral issue, so there are no oughts involved. There are some women who like it, most that I know don't like it very much. It depends on the person.
Your general observation was that some women only watch soccer to please guys. It is that suggestion that irked me; are you saying that you - by drinking beer and watching football - are not also trying to please guys?
Sure, just like I only went shopping with my girlfriend because she enjoyed it (I personally hate shopping).
We do lots of things we don't like because others like them, we're social creatures like that, can't always do just what you like.
Do you have a girlfriend or is this another attempt at trying to legitimise your hasty generalisations again?
I was referring to my high school girlfriend. I don't have a girlfriend right now if that's what you're curious about.
Nah, you have just done it before when you pretended to have a wife.
I never pretended to have a wife :s
Agu: "Say my wife asks me to shave my beard, and stop looking like a hobo, despite me liking to look like one. I'll probably shave it because it ain't such a big deal and it makes her happy - why not? Am I suddenly not rational, autonomous, bla bla bla if I don't? There's compromises that have to be made, and it's rational to make them. I like having a beard and looking like a hobo, but my wife doesn't and I also want to make my wife happy - so that's why I choose to shave it off."
What does the word "say" mean there?
Also, do you keep a list of Agustino quotes? :D
Okay, but will you answer my question then?
Quoting TimeLine
Okay, well, I meant it as a hypothetical example. Like we sometimes say "if you ride a bike too much, your chances of getting testicular cancer will increase" - of course, we don't really mean "you" specifically. The "you" there is just the placeholder for the hypothetical person. So in my sentence, "I" is the placeholder for that hypothetical person.
You are committing some serious ignoratio elench here. This example bears no relevance to how one can misconstrue you having a wife by saying:
"Say my wife asks me to shave my beard, and stop looking like a hobo, despite me liking to look like one."
Quoting Agustino
You can possibly. If you said $1 million, I would have my doubts. Anyhoot, all this appears to be a deliberate attempt to divert the attention away by changing the subject. Fun though.
Quoting TimeLine
What's the subject?
Smart ass.
Oh wow, that's the subject? I honestly had no clue we were talking about that...
Like... with a feather?
Quoting TimeLine
Sure is resentable. @Agustino seems to have an odd outlook on things.
Why? How has life been treating you?
But still. When I get screamed at by a little old lady on the 31st of December at 9h00pm because her 600L tank is at 1/3 and she wont get a delivery for 2 days... >:)
Just focus on the more joyful or interesting things, like this. I wonder what happened!
There was this guy that once was not so nice to me and though I have forgiven and moved on, I found out recently from someone who knows his girlfriend that she has cheated on him and he doesn't know about it. I am deeply troubled by this and I actually feel very sorry for him because I think he sacrificed a number of his best years for her and she is just manipulating him. He has a very powerful disposition too, the only man who has ever made me feel like he could control me (probably why I hated him so much) and no doubt she is lying because it would be very dangerous if he found out.
I thought about why I am troubled; why should I care? I am angry that I was given this information when I really do not care and I am so damn happy that I am moving away from the suburb I currently live in, but getting to the morality here at atomic level, is the concern, this deep trouble, actually a facade for what is essentially pleasurable? I want to ensure the authenticity of this motive of mine and I just cannot help but shake off this possibility.
Here's what I think, and I'm never wrong. It annoys, troubles, and confuses you how other people can casually fuck around, jump from person to person, and have a thriving romantic life while taking nothing terribly seriously, while you are limited to watching it from the sidelines when it is you who are doing everything right.
I mean, why does she get this pretty decent guy, and you don't, while you tolerated and dealt with his bullshit, and she's screwing around on him yet has him?
That's what's bothering you. It's not fair
If you want a bf, be overt. Get online and post that you're looking for a bf. Either that or go out with the next random guy who asks you out and try to make it work. I'd choose A.
Geez, that was a really bad assessment that I almost oscillated to a level of disdain for you. Temporary. I returned back to my loving affection quickly, but there nevertheless.
Emotional reactions to display of infidelity are some of the most vivid and most incomprehensible emotions I have ever felt. Hatred, contempt, disregard, lewdness... How the hell do one goes from knowing at the tender age of 10 that they would never cheat on anyone, to fantasizing about hotwives?
I know it doesn't help, but if anything, you aren't the only one who gets these weird feelings.
Well, there's worse things than taking pleasure in karmic retribution.
Careful now, I do bite.
I recently gave money to a man who was standing barefoot and completely filthy talking on a public telephone, likely to no one, and I was motivated to give him money because there were two young men sitting close-by and were looking at him in a way that I knew they were finding him funny and that disturbed me. I wanted them to see that - being their age and dressed pretty cool - it was wrong to be so judgemental, that they should have empathy. I was compelled more by that 'lesson' then the actual man. I have given money to this man many times before but the motivation there made me question myself for a moment. While the intention may be honourable, if my focal was on the boys and not the man, then what exactly happens to empathy? It was more rational, like publicity, rather than empathetic. It is enough to make me believe that the morality behind that decision was moot; it was just ethical.
You have no idea how atomic my assessment of motive goes and whether there are worse things out there is irrelevant if my subjective moral qualities are in question.
I think the reason why this guy is aggressive and frustrated as a person is because he is making a considerable effort and sacrifice for his girlfriend and the people around him, so I do feel sorry for him since his best years were given to someone that has convinced him she has eyes only for him.
I think that is why I am feeling anxious, the vanity or the idea of giving so much to someone who is capable of pretending for her own selfish reasons - likely because she is afraid - by manipulation. It is not the cheating, really, but rather the manipulation, the capacity to look at someone and tell them something that isn't true. It is seriously fucked up.
You still ended up acting per the need of the person, and not per your need to teach those kids a lesson (or if you did, you took a terrible way of acheiving that goal).
How can you distinguish between showing off as a reason to act and showing off as an incentive to the action? I don't think I would trust my own ratiocinations. That's the origins of the dumb "people are only ever altruist for selfish reasons".
Who can say other than you? Via your description, it sounds like you're pure of heart (self-doubt/reservations and all). But, given the fact that you wanted to post about it here, that could mean 1) you are indeed pure of heart, and so disturbed that you felt the need to seek a second opinion anywhere you could; the TPF in this case, or 2) you subconsciously know that you do indeed derive pleasure from seeing someone who hurt you go through pain, and, in order to legitimize this subconscious knowledge, you posted the dilemma here with the caveat of you being seemingly pure of heart in order to (subconsciously) legitimize the pleasure you derive from seeing that person in anguish. This would be a way of rationalizing the pleasure.
Think about how you may feel if you were told that a person you know has been cheated on; that information instantly places you into an uncomfortable situation.
I do make it my prerogative to interrogate all possible or likely Epicurean scenarios and I have noticed in others a superficiality behind their reactions to moral situations, a very conformed publicity of behaviour that I believe Camus was attempting to clarify in The Outsider. Being conscious of that, however, does not suddenly make me immune to it.
When we experience something pleasurable, our mind instantly desires a continuity of this feeling because of the sensation inasmuch as it avoids feelings of angst, and I know that when I see something bad I both avoid or ignore it and desire humour or comedy more than usual. The fact that I found out and it has constantly been on my mind makes me concerned, but I believe that the primary reason it is on my mind is the anticipation. It is a negative anticipation, though, because I feel anxiety when I think about it and the anticipation itself is the probable scenarios of what will happen when he finds out, which I am sure will not be good (I am thinking whore of Babylon, apocalyptic scenarios here). I am wishing I was never told because I don't like the feeling.
As for my reasoning behind posting it here, there have been times that I am shocked when unconscious truths suddenly float to the surface and so I am well aware that I am capable of deceiving myself. I speak openly of personal concerns here because of the anonymity is allows, to hear the wisdom others can offer, and the brutality or opposing suggestions it can offer until I can flesh out the unlikely.
I also do not believe in this "pure of heart" but rather a rational attempt to dissect my own moral worthiness.
It does; I've been there. He knew, too, and he was one of my closest friends. I've also been on the other end of the spectrum, where one of my closest friends side-swiped me and took the girl I was interested in. Not to mention a few other scenarios that I'd rather not bring up on the interwebs. So? The personal emotions do tend to cloud our view of the reality; that's what I was trying to suggest as a possibility in the scenario you presented with my 2). I could be wrong. When this soap opera stuff happens, we tend to find the most pleasure in the enumeration of what happens, and in clearing ourselves of all wrong.
Quoting TimeLine
Right, that I can identify with.
Quoting TimeLine
Worthy of what?
Also, the main thrust of my point 2) there was that this was someone who hurt you. You asking me to put myself in your shoes and consider "how you may feel if you were told that a person you know has been cheated on" doesn't take into account the issue of this person being someone who hurt you. The issue of whether you derive any pleasure from the situation appears to be on this exact basis; it was someone who hurt you (or at least was "once not so nice" to you).
The grounds for my belief in my own virtue. It is easy to follow a system or image and show the world that we are good people because we are obedient, but what relevance is that if our subjective intent or will is merely to be congratulated by others? Other people do not define me and whilst epistemically I am mostly through this social determinism, I work hard to take advantage of the cognitive tools that enable conscious autonomy from society.
Quoting Noble Dust
It can be even deeper than that, where you can actually make yourself believe in a lie that you tell yourself because the angst is unbearable. That is an extreme, I know, but sometimes we do work in the shadows of this extreme.
Quoting Noble Dust
I initially wrote that but I decided to delete it because as I was writing you, I actually said I instantly forgave his wrongdoing when I found out that his girlfriend cheated on him to justify my sympathy for him. That is a pretty disturbing thing to say, as though satisfied that he is now punished for his former behaviour. I don't think he deserves it, to be honest, and upon reflection he never really did anything bad to me either, it was just behavioural.
How is this different from nihilism?
Quoting TimeLine
Again, only you know the answer there, but that sounds like what I was describing with 2).
How is it nihilistic?
If "The grounds for [your] belief in [your] own virtue" are what constitute your moral worthiness (but not mine? Does my moral worthiness come into play there, or no?), then what's stopping me from having different moral grounds which conflict with yours? What if cheating is ok, based on the grounds of my belief in my own virtue? And if these grounds conflict, and the conflict is ok, then what predicates the value of your moral grounds vs. mine?
And, if the conflict is ok, what predicates your personal moral worthiness within the actual world?
Also, '"The grounds for [your] belief in [your] own virtue" are what constitute your moral worthiness' is circulatory, which is actually the main issue with your argument, I think.
Your moral worthiness is yours. By transcending society or through transcendental freedom, you enable the primacy of autonomy and free-will where you develop a personal system of self-regulation (your own moral laws) that motivate you to act. Knowledge is merely a negotiation or interaction with the external world that develops the language that will articulate and ground your values. Without the freedom of the will, though, you are trapped in an impression of consciousness where you identify with and are influenced by others vis-a-vis moral conduct. Aside from the categorical imperative, given that more than one person agrees that such conduct is morally true does not authenticate the substance, the will, the motivation and only this intrinsic quality enables any genuine worth to virtue.
It is not nihilism, but a transcendence from nihilism to rationalism.
No it's not; if it is, I can do whatever I like, no matter how morally heinous.
Quoting TimeLine
Are you equating the two?
Quoting TimeLine
I have no idea what this means.
Serious behavioural problems.
Worker A was the most unpleasant lady I have ever met in my life. Just absolutely bitter in every worst ways possible. In almost 3 years of service with our corporation, I have never heard say anything not mean or cruel or sarcastic, and I'm not going into hyperbole. While everyone had problems with her, and she had problems with everybody, she was especially cruel to the cleaning staff. At first I thought she was racist but she singled out one of the nicest lady that clean in our office and started calling her trash and spilling stuff on the ground when she would see her. About 2 months ago that lady stopped coming in to work, and we just learned a while ago that it was because worker A had assaulted her when they met on the bus by (bad) luck. Apparently it took that long for HR to realise worker A was just a terrible person and a liability.
Worker B was somewhat my fault. I mean, I don't feel any guilt whatsoever, but I still feel shitty he got canned 2 weeks before Christmas. Very long story short, I caught worker B in a flagrant lie a little less than a year ago. On a non work-related, but in a work context, and in public. I should've let go, but since it wasn't the first time and I was just really aggravated, I called him out on it. Ever since, he's been making bogus complaints to HR about me harrassing him. At first HR was forced to investigate every reports, assume they were true, and then act on them. That really wasn't fun for me. So I did absolutely everything I could to remove myself from any situation where I had to have contact with Worker B, haven't actually spoken to him in about 6-7 months. Since the complaints kept coming, one of the directors flew in and spoke to me about it. I think he realized pretty well that there was no grounds to any of the stuff in the complaints (or whatever was real had been so heavily deformed that it didn't constitute anything that could be reprimanded) because I came back from a long vacation to learn that my boss had decided to fire Worker B.
Well, that felt oddly therapeutic.
Not real sure where all that comes from, even should I have misread your initial question and read in some degree of hostile attraction to the antagonist (which makes a far better story btw), but I do agree with the basic proposition that a universal cure all of all ills is abandoning one's self to me. I didn't suggest that here though, not at least this time.
I do like me some salt.
That is why we have the categorical imperative, universal moral laws that are supreme to our autonomy, pretty much a beefed up version of the Golden Rule. As for the rest, here, read, I am on the tram and I really cannot be bothered writing on this phone anymore. Ill get to the rest when I get home in a couple of hours.
Who says we do? Kant?
Yes, but can you do something you recognize as morally heinous and not recognize yourself as someone who is capable of morally heinous act?
And if you can't while we can, can that not be the ground for our disgust toward your morality?
All hypothetically speaking, I'm (more or less) sure you are a morally upstanding fellow.
Not within 's concept of my moral worthiness being only my own, no. If I dictate my own moral worthiness, then nothing I do could be too morally unworthy or too morally worthy.
I was merely being reciprocal, though I will ensure that I avoid this should the rage of 500,000 scoville heat units be ignited. While abandoning my will to the whims of a man is almost next to impossible, the idea has - just now - kindled a rather primitive and instinctual desire in me and I am officially disturbed. You do have a way.
Quoting Noble Dust
Reason.
Quoting Noble Dust
You clearly are having trouble understanding Kant's moral system.
No; I'm using my own moral system to interface with yours; do you have one, or just Kant's?
Yeah, our conversation is coming to an end, methinks. I did try.
:-d
Perhaps you are assuming too much freedom in the possibility to direct morality? Perhaps, once you start dictating terms of moral worthiness, you necessarily end up (perhaps after quite a bit of work) at the same result?
People are assholes but that lady sounds psychotic. It was clear that she desired power and she selectively chose a kind and vulnerable person that she was capable of antagonising. It is the violence of a bully - whether physical or psychological - that can have a profound affect on a person and I really hope that lady is not severely injured. While you may have not had the best experience with B, I am still of the opinion that whenever you see such bad behaviour - even if not directed to you - report it to HR so they have it on file. They don't need to act, but the more reports that flow through about a given person, the more likely they can manage and/or root out such behaviour long before injuries.
Here is to hoping that you have the best 2018 without such people.
I don't know; are you responding to the scenario I wrote there, or to what you think my moral position actually is? I can't really respond properly until I know.
To the scenario, of course!
The scenario was within Timeline's concept; not mine; so you appear to be arguing against her, not me.
I've always thought a person's true moral worth is how they treat animals when nobody's looking.
Since working I've added how they treat people of lower status than themselves. I've lost jobs twice for standing up against bosses who mistreated their employees. Unfortunately, it never changed a thing for the better (I do get to look myself in the mirror each day without shame, so that's a win). Now I'm keen on becoming a "boss" myself and getting it right as I think high morals inspire people and are an important aspect of motivation and pride in the work place and company culture. 2018 is hopefully the year I can get it done and I hope the realities of your own company doesn't mean I have to compromise and that I can live up to that ideal.
So, that said, do any of you have any ideas on developing a hiring process to get people who will speak up in the face of inequality and unfairness and will speak truth to power?
How do you know this is the truth though? Maybe she didn't cheat. I mean unless you saw it yourself, then it will always remain somewhat doubtful in my mind. People usually spread lots of lies.
I liked your post, Benkei, and think you're right to associate ethical leadership with long-term business success. Contrary to what many people assume, the two are entirely compatible.
In general I think people want to be a part of something special, something in which their own interests are aligned with the interests of others, and they want to work collectively on providing something that benefits the larger community, even if only in mundane ways. The profits will come IMO if the other things are in place, assuming of course that you have a product or service that people want. I run a restaurant, for example, and if the food wasn't good then even the most progressive, employee-friendly culture, combined with the best service imaginable, wouldn't matter and we'd be out of business.
I've worked for complete assholes quite a few times in my life, unfortunately, who treat their employees, vendors, and, on occasion, even their customers like crap, yet some are very successful because of their knowledge of quality food and their ability to execute every essential aspect of the business consistently. So being a good person isn't enough, you also have to be skilled at what you do.
Anyhow, I think one very important thing to do would be to lay out the company culture you're trying to implement to prospective employees during the (thorough) hiring process. Tell them up front what type of person you're looking for, what the goals of the company are, what you expect from them, what they should expect from you, etc. Make it as transparent as possible so they can be held accountable if you decide to give them a shot. This will likely weed out those who may not share your values or your overall outlook.
In addition to those generalities I guess I'd have to get more info on the specific type of business you're planning on operating before offering more pedestrian advice. I assumed you were an attorney.
The type of company would be a financial services company involved in the clearing of transactions. I'm still in the process of defining the functional requirements for an IT system to do a particular thing no other company can (and probably won't think off). Should be done before February and then I'm (and my 2 partners) going to need an investor to take it forward.
Nothing legal just a creative idea that needs brilliant execution to work and therefore we will need brilliant programmers and connectivity specialists. If it works we'll be saving billions and the benefits will flow down to ordinary citizens. It's socially relevant too, which basically makes it a dream for me... I'm totally hyped about it! :D
This is fantastic and you are already setting the cultural foundation by being conscious of this, hopefully not merely for your own protection but for the health and well being of your employees. I have always believed in equality and while there is a hierarchical structure in business (for which each person is adequately compensated), equality of respect is so important, like recognising your cleaners by asking them to come along to the christmas party. Those little things matter because workplace culture is the most important aspect to prevention of such health and safety concerns.
I did quite a bit while I completed my masters in human rights law on liability and workplace rights and in particular bullying legislation and policy changes in my state and from experience I would recommend, that you ensure all induction or on-boarding includes signed completion of training modules relating to sexual harassment and bullying. I have found that many people are not even aware of what bullying actually is, that it can be direct or indirect, deliberately excluding, giving too much work or too little, belittling or humiliating etc, but the most important is that sometimes it is not obvious. This should be renewed every twelve months (the training). You should also set standards through a code of conduct and workplace policies as well as regularly provide or give access to resources, which should include response procedures and reporting mechanisms. This should also include effective management practices. I also think having representatives who work for you as "culture people" that should form relationships with HR so that they can work on the ground to promote a positive culture, but also be there as a potential person for staff to voice their concerns. This is usually more for medium-sized business, but it can be scaled down as I take it you are not starting a large company. And, employing good staff. That is the hardest bit but write particular questions in your interviews that addresses how they view things like equality. Finally, a system of openness where people should feel comfortable addressing issues without being ostracised; an effective reporting system of any issues, for instance, and being proactive in your duty of care. Good culture is a trickle down process, which means leadership team need to be responsible and effective.
As for leadership, I am learning that all new myself and it can be tough. I have found, though, that being down to earth and warm, and just being relaxed is enough to make people feel comfortable to be open with me. I talk about personal things and am open to emails (I work nationally so people I work with are across the country) or 'Friday Feels' where we share funny stories and good news stories about family and achievements etc. A lot of people worry that you need to act as a leader, to be a certain way in order to be effective, but I found that I can use my qualities of introversion and kindness to my own advantage rather than try to fabricate an assertive or distant leader, which will cause me stress and then I would start doing the wrong things. I have been told that when people come to my place, they really feel at "home" or comfortable and I bring the same comfort to people at work, a type of effortless and relaxed manner. That is because I am being myself. You should too.
Good luck man!
Benkei, it goes without saying that if you have a need for connectivity specialist here in the states, NicK is available. (Y)
So there's a fine line between, on the one hand, valuing your employees on a personal level, along with the important contributions they'll make to your company beyond just following orders and going through the motions, and on the other hand, maybe allowing them a bit too much freedom to say or do what they feel like, which can quickly descend to a lack of respect for the leadership for being spineless. It's tough to articulate the golden mean there, but I think it's essential to get the right type of employees at the start through that exhaustive background check, the interview process, laying out the company's goals and values, and the like. That way you'll prevent major headaches before they have a chance to arise, because if they do they'll occupy a lot of your time and energy.
In all honesty, even here at TPF there are some really smart people who IMO would likely make lousy employees if their position involved working within a team. I say this not only for the likes of Agustino >:O but also (especially?!) for some who adhere--at least in the abstract--to extremely progressive political and social positions. It's a rare human being, even among the best, who can embody a sense of justice and fairness without these being at least slightly affected by their own biases and interests--in other words their ego--and an employee who feels aggrieved in some way (through comparative pay, through what they feel is unfair scheduling, through a lack of what they perceive to be due recognition, or whatever else) can, no, WILL, become a toxic influence on the overall work environment.
Yes, actually that is one of the reasons why I found myself gravitating towards self-employment and now entrepreneurship. Working in a team often involves lots of petty politics ('Friday Feels', as TimeLine says) and other nonsense that I have no patience for. Pff - imagine me at a "Friday feel" - give me a break >:O
And this was ever since I was a child, growing up, in school, in University, and in work. I just couldn't work well in groups where things weren't clearly laid out.
I tend to be unable to work in a team when the roles aren't clear. For example, when I was 16-17 and I worked in construction as a laborer, I could work there because I knew that I don't take any decisions, I just execute them. And I was quite good at it, because unlike other employees I never complained about working conditions, I wasn't lazy, etc.
But I cannot bear being given some authority in decision-making, and hence bearing some responsibility for the outcome, and then have some twat ruin it because he wants to do it his way. If I'm given some authority, then I should have all of it. The body cannot have two heads.
Really now? There are some males that say quite the opposite! :D
>:O LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL... Yes, but those same males will tell you that when one head rules, the other is silent - so effectively, the body still has only one head ;)
I am so glad I am a woman. (Y)
MMm the word "nicer" makes your question more complicated. Which head is easier to deal with? Now that I can tell you with absolute certainty, the lower head is MUCH easier to deal with. ;)
Can I borrow the ladder you used? :P
A curious thought. By “behavioral” do you mean something like unconsciously reactive? If so, are you suggesting that we’re less responsible for our more conditioned or habitual responses? I strongly disagree if that is the case.
In need of an investor? Welcome to the Shark Tank.
Agustino, stand up on your own two feet and the head that is lower than your waist is the easier one to deal with. Do I need to have @Hanover make you a sketch? Maybe a doodle by @praxis or @TimeLine? Let me know what kind of visual aid you need.
>:O I need a doodle made by none other than mcdoodle!
Quoting Hanover
Dude, bad day! Did the kid have insurance?
If one wants to know whether their girlfriend cheated on them, all they need to do is ask. You can always tell from the response someone gives you, or at least that something is up and eventually the truth comes out. Anyway, I was just interested in the morality of my reaction to the possibility of finding out someone I know has been cheated on.
:-O I don't see how that is true. Say I am a woman, and you ask me if your boyfriend cheated on you. I may say "oh, I definitely heard some rumours" and leave it at that because I like your boyfriend, and I want you to break up with him so that I can be with him in your place. So by all means "asking" isn't a good way to approach this problem.
I had my suspicions.
Quoting Agustino
That is a totally different arrangement because there is no dependency on trust as one would have in an intimate relationship. You are close enough and share enough to be open about these things and you can always tell when things are not right.
I do see where you are coming from, though. I know this guy who told his partner things about other women - like how they flirt with him and what not - as a so-called way of being open and honest in their relationship, but what he was saying about others was actually slander, they were untruths. Who knows what the motivation was behind that, maybe to try and pretend that he can be trustworthy, or to make her jealous, I don't know. People are complex and disturbing and forever fascinating.
Hmmm, I don't think there is much "trust" in a relationship where cheating occurs. There are ways to catch people - similar tactics as were used by some of the Soviets >:) . If one day, for example, your boyfriend comes to you and says "TimeLine, I am very disappointed in you... Why did you cheat on me?!", then if you did cheat, you will be very tempted to admit to it than risk making your situation even worse by lying again. So even if he doesn't actually know that you cheated, by framing the question that way, he stands a good chance of finding out. However, such tactics do backfire in the case that you didn't cheat on him since your trust in him would be shaken, not to mention that you would be disappointed and upset at him.
Quoting TimeLine
(1) that helps "open up" his girl to the possibility of him cheating on her, so she gets used to it in advance.
(2) that makes her think he's really valuable and she can't afford to lose him.
(3) that makes her think that he tells her everything, so she will fully trust him.
Oops wrong thread.
Nah, right thread. Giddeup
Mr. Rogers sure was a nice guy, ain't that the truth?
(L)
And @Bitter Crank thinks that I have a problem.
Quoting Agustino
Codswallop. If you asked your girlfriend whether she had cheated on you, the first thing she is going to do is deny it. However, first let there be some legitimacy before asking like you have detected her behaviour as different, that she has distanced herself from habits that you once did together, or where there is less physical contact and changes in how she dresses and does her hair etc, or signals that make you concerned. You should also accept the potential ramifications should your queries turn out false and it should be decided prior to asking whether that is a risk you are willing to take. She will forgive you for it.
We once had a forensic scientist speak to us about criminal behaviour and how to detect liars and it is more about how you ask in order to ascertain any irregularity in both the patterns of behaviour and their actual responses. That is why I said that if you are in an intimate relationship, the ability to detect these irregularities should be easier. You should question in a calm and inquisitive manner and not a vicious one and this will allow her to continue talking but the tone or manner of her voice will change. She may then have an awkward energy, like sitting still or just physically you can tell from her body that she is unusual. She could possibly have funny looks, her eyes in particular would move to the left or stare out.
To plan out her story, how to respond to the allegations, she would probably stop for a moment as she plans. If she blurts out nonsense (the best self-defence mechanism is reverse-psychology so she may start to blame or attack you and draw attention away) but that is obvious. A good liar faced with the immediacy of such anxiety would plan a story and then she would then use hand gestures like finger-pointing Clinton to try and solidify her story as 'truth'.
Quoting Agustino
Shit, that's full on in a disturbing sort of way. :-#
Just joking, Fred. RIP
"Like, before she wore her hair in a bun under a quaker bonnet with dark heavy mid-calf length dresses and brown work boots. Then all of a sudden she starts going out in miniskirts, fishnet stocking, spike heels, black leather bustiers, and a shaved head."
"Naturally, I was surprised," he reluctantly admitted.
"Darling" I queried. "What has happened to you? Was it something I said?"
Of course, but you need to push it a bit more, and show that you are certain about it, then she will admit. Though it is true that it doesn't work on everyone. Some people will deny even if you have a movie of it and play it in front of them >:O
Quoting TimeLine
Hmm, I'm not sure if those actions are sufficient to grant you legitimacy for doing such a thing. It is true that they could be present if she is cheating, BUT they could also be present for a whole host of many other reasons which are often more probable. It also depends on what you know about their character, what they like, etc.
Quoting TimeLine
I don't think she will forgive if she didn't do anything, I think she'd be horrified, and, even if she ends up forgiving, she will always remember it and use it against you. Overall, a TERRIBLE outcome if you happen to be wrong.
Quoting TimeLine
Forensic scientists usually operate within certain set frameworks, where such responses usually are highly indicative of lying or deception. But in regular interactions, such irregularities may just come from the fact that the person is feeling uncertain about their future, they're not sure about what they ought to do, they are not feeling particularly well at the time, etc. In other words, Bayesian probability ought to convince you that cheating is only one of the tiny possibilities for such behaviour. Now, as I said above, trust is important in a relationship. If you take actions which diminish trust, the relationship will fail. You cannot act on hunches, and suppositions, and possibilities. This is quite the opposite of forensic scientists, because trust is irrelevant there.
I think that if you are suspicious or concerned that your girlfriend is cheating on you, you are already in a terrible predicament. Imagine living with that? Either she has, or you have a problem. Either way, fleshing this out is necessary and if the result is some issues between you, issues that can be resolved either by resolving them or breaking up, surely an actual outcome is better than holding back that misery you are feeling. This misery can manifest in many different ways too; I once met a man who had shut down and being on auto-pilot was completely controlled by his partner. It is disturbing how people tolerate unhappiness.
As for whether you are concerned about her, you should know whatever it is. However, going back to your three points about how a man manipulates a woman into trusting him, the whole makes her think that he tells her everything, so she will fully trust him, if he thinks he has her controlled, he may not suspect anything.
In that case, such people probably deserve each other.
What's the problem? It's no better and no worse than living with the uncertainty that you may fall terribly ill in the near future, or the uncertainty that your business will not work out, etc. Happens. You fail, you try again. And again. As much as needed.
Quoting TimeLine
Holding back is a mighty useful thing I found. Generally, people act too soon, not too late (though it's also possible to act too late).
From here.
Agree, disagree? >:O
You are deceiving yourself by thinking that. Sure, there is an uncertainty in the longevity of any relationship, but that is only if you are idiotic enough to form a long term relationship with someone you are not certain has the qualities worthy for such a venture. To shut-down, become dependent on and tolerate defeats the purpose of being in a relationship in the first place, which is supposed to be about happiness, about love and sharing, about building together.
Being miserable but as long as someone is around is not my idea of a relationship, it is my idea of mindless dronism driven by the fear of being independent. Happiness is not the applaud and congratulations given to you from others while you secretly suffer or potentially do shit behind everyones back, it is just self-deception.
Not really, for many the purpose is just to share some aspects of your life together.
Quoting TimeLine
Who said being miserable? Why would you miserable? When you're uncertain about something, you're miserable? Maybe you will be like this guy:
>:O
Anyhoot, off to the gym!
Tasmanian Cherries.
That is all.
I'd rather be formless without a personality than an immovable statue, stuck in a personality :P
You silly little sausage you. A personality is fluid, flexible, unique because of its openness, spontaneity and understanding of others. That is why it is a personality. Those without a personality are the immovable ones.
If indeed one's personality is fluid and flexible, would you mind telling me why your narcissistic personality doesn't apply to such malleability?
Come to lick the boots of Agu?
Hmm, an expected reply. Although, I was expecting you to tell me about how wonderful you are, helping children, and baking cookies for poor people, and something or other.
Edit: Oh, and you've still ignored my original question. Ah well.
You are kind of a pro at being akward, you know.
Yes, this is precisely what I meant.
Quoting Akanthinos
Like a semipro? No, I'm much better than that, son.
:-O
Perhaps he has cow skin perfumed with the scent of peaches?
My cow's bovagina (technical term for a heffer's hoo-haa) smells of peaches, yes, but that's only because she pleasured herself with a peach tree. Long story.
It just seems like an endless pissing contest, like the ones I imagine Nero would command.
:B
Did Nero really organise actual pissing contest?
Just something that occurred to me that must have been true in those pagan days.
The genre is actually referred to as an "aristocrat" joke. Take a listen: https://youtu.be/aGA0dIz9-Wk
That somewhat implies that there is something clever in an aristocrat joke. Or speaks badly of what you judge as clever... >:)
There is this guy I used to work with who I see occasionally at the shops or the gym, and he does this thing where he pretends not to see me, but you know he saw me, and he gets all weird, stares out into space, walks to some random corner as he avoids coming face to face with me. I call him Blair, from the Blair Witch Project, you know how they face the wall and all, and while he may not know it, I walk around him to intentionally make him feel uncomfortable. I find him adorable.
Long story short. I am never mature.
I find you adorable too. Dont listen to big ol meanie posty.
Whatever. Just keeping it civil.
Civility is relative when speaking to someone who live in a place where "Alright, how do we fuck this pig?" is an acceptable every-day idiom.
Like that guy at the gym who I used to work with, I have noticed a similar trend with Hanover and that is that while he acts all macho, talking about sex and chewing tobacco that he spits out like a man, all he really wants from me is a hug. He wants me to hug him, to hold him up close, to gently stroke the back of his ears with my fingers and with his head on my chest, for me to giggle lovingly at his silly little jokes.
Now what I want is for TimeLine to write a softcore novel about this budding romance.
Nope, no sausage for you >:O
As the saying goes; "I can fap to that!" O:)
Even more funny : I met my first girlfriend working at a pig-slaughtering plant in Red Deer, Alberta. :-*
:’(
Pfft. When I want to die, I want to go where Camus is.
I spent 90 minutes at a clinic this afternoon getting repaired after an unfortunate encounter with a new potato peeler -- a high end Oxo brand with the big handle to improve grip for old, arthritic people. I was peeling a small potato (held in a tight grip, of course). In the last swipe of this vorpal blade, the peeler sliced through the skin of my thumb (unpleasant) but worse, through 3/4s of the thumb nail as well--tip downward toward the quick.
Sound of furious multiple-object cursing. That was last night.
It was too late by that time and too inconvenient to go to an urgent care clinic, so I went today. The clinic's doctor didn't seem to have a procedure room, so he just did his work on the corner of the desk next to the computer. He injected the thumb with two full syringes of anesthetic -- enough fluid to inflate and harden the last two knuckles of thumb. Fortunately zylocaine works well. He then took a little surgical scissors and cut down to the quick and then just twisted the thumbnail off. Blood? Oh, yes. Lots of blood. The peeler had scooped out some of the flesh under the nail, so without the nail, the blood clot that had formed, precious bodily fluid was free to depart my person.
So now I have this big dressing on my thumb, which is supposed to stay there till Saturday, after which I am to put new dressings on it till it stops bleeding and is stable. I figure the nail may be fully regrown by... May? July? September? That's if all goes well. The nail could start growing and get confused and start growing into the nail bed.
Should you wish to slash your wrists and get it over with but find that you do not happen to have a proper razor blade, consider your potato peeler--preferably a new one. It won't be quite as easy slashing your wrists with the peeler, but it is definitely up to the task -- you'll just have to work your way down to larger arteries one layer at a time--it's a potato peeler, after all. The pain will be quite significant, but what do you care -- you will be all the happier to be dead, as soon as you're done opening your veins (well, arteries) one layer at a time.
Your potato peeler should probably be confiscated if you try to board a plane with one.
(Y)
Suicide jokes notwithstanding, hope you're alright.
Stop with your black magic sorcery mind reading shit Miss Blair Witch.
Might you send me some of your flu induced vomit, as I am fresh out of toothpaste and sexual lubricant and I suspect that the mucus infused ravioli you heaved onto your bed would work wonderfully?
I know, right? They don't understand us. Phillistines.
Pulling a trump by complaining about things you do yourself?
Arggggggggggggh I could barely get through your words with such a cringed face, God I KNOW how painful a slice can be. I am sure you guys through your time in shaving can appreciate using a new blade in the shower, maybe not shaving your legs like I but, have you ever taken the swipe and don't know it's bleeding till the water hits it stinging like a son of a bitch? The kind of swipe that leaves a strip of skin in the blade? OMG! This happened to me once when I was 14 and then again last month. I screamed and had to literally tourniquet it in the shower with a towel to get out. Left on my leg was a four inch long, an inch in diameter, wound! I just lost the scab to freshly grown skin and I wish you ugghh a pain free recovery. Maybe next time try the Yukon Gold taters that have a skin so thin and blonde you can use them in most recipes without peeling.
The point is that while I sympathize with the potato peeler story and the leg shaving story, until you have been fed through a saw mill by a villain, you really have nothing to complain about.
Sorry for the late response. I was gone for a few days. I haven't looked down to see any other part of this conversation before I'm responding
First thought - You are unable not to do what you think is right. This post is just more evidence of that, as if it were needed. Trust your own judgment, certainly not mine.
Second thought - Ok, well that isn't very responsive, so how about this. I've thought about this situation in a case where I knew and liked one or both of the parties. In that situation, I'm not sure what I'd do. I know from experience that there's a very good chance getting involved will end both relationships. On the other hand, how can I let someone I care about be hurt. I guess at a minimum I would talk to the guilty party and tell them 1) You're an asshole. Tell the other person or I will. or 2) Your an asshole. If I ever hear about this again from anyone, I'll tell.
Now, your situation is very different. You have no obligation to tell someone you no longer have a relationship with, who sounds like he abused you. No personal, moral, ethical, physical, chemical, spiritual obligation. On the other hand, maybe, just maybe, you need to make sure you are not forced to participate. See item 2 in the above paragraph. You can leave out the part about the asshole.
Third thought - Never take advice from me. You are more trustworthy and good-hearted.
If I had to vote for the person I admire most, the list of possibilities would include Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Barak Obama, Lech Walesa, Vlaclav Havel, Corizon Aquino, Jim Henson, Fred Rogers. I could name more.
Competence, courage, honesty, heart. I guess "admire" isn't the right word. I love these people.
Be fair, even TL will tell her boyfriend what her real name is. Maybe not on the first date. Maybe that would be like getting to second base. [Fe]
That's a baseball-related sexual reference. Do people in other countries get it?
Careful or people will think you're bitt... Oh, wait. I already said that.
So, marsupial cherries?
Now Buxtebuddha, play nice. I thought your New Year's resolution was to be nicer. Oh, wait, that was one of mine.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a very serious mental disorder with a very bad prognosis. People who suffer tend to be very impulsive. Obsessively self-involved. Charming and manipulative. I've always liked Freud's characterization, although I'm not sure how it stands up - narcissistic personalities have never successfully made the transition that most children do when they are toddlers - they never really understand, feel, that the world and their selves are separate. Having a big ego and being self-centered don't mean you have a narcissistic personality.
It is a testament to my respect for you that I could finish your post. Of all the things that make me cringe and shiver, descriptions or depictions of people being cut with sharp knives are very difficult for me to deal with.
I try to be careful in psychologizing people I deal with. I sometimes fail. 83.25% of the people on this forum are excessively self-involved people who think their ideas are worth paying attention to. Look it up in the Oxford Australian Dictionary. It's the third definition. "Philosopher - An excessively self-involved person who thinks their ideas are worth paying attention to." Go ahead. Look it up.
If I were going to change my avatar, which I swear I won't, this is the one I would use.
That's not why I think she's narcissistic.
But that was a saw blade. That doesn't bother me nearly as much. The thought of a razor makes my nose run.
Real name? Who talked about real names?
To give you a more serious response, I agree completely. My goal in life is to be fearless. I haven't got that long. I'd better get cracking. Many of the rest of you have more time to get it right.
Speak for yourself. I tell everyone my name is Bob.
I have had just about enough. From peaches to pissing contests to pigs and now marsupials? It is too damn hot today and as I am stuck inside with the air conditioning on, here is a lesson for you.
Tasmania
Tasmania, otherwise known as Tassie, is a state of Australia with a population of over 500,000 people. It is home to a number of national parks and wilderness escapes and is the only location where the Aurora Australis can be visible. The climate is usually cool as it is only 240km away from Antarctica.
The map here shows Tasmania is just below the state of Victoria, between them lying big hungry sharks but nevertheless at a fair distance from carnivorous koala bears.Tasmania is the only state in Australia known to have ethnically cleansed the indigenous population during the mid-19th century, which the current population are not very proud of. It is also the place where a shooting occurred at Port Arthur that caused such public outcry that the Howard Government officially banned the use of guns in Australia.
Tasmania's weather being mild and slightly humid make it a perfect place to grow sweet cherries, particularly the fertile soil of the state that differs entirely from the bush-fire prone mainland where it is much warmer and indeed drier. Cherries are packed with cancer-fighting antioxidants and because of the high dose of melatonin, makes one sleep like a baby and a healthy sleep cycle is vital for a happy, healthy day.
The glossy skin of Tasmanian cherries have a bold dark colour and grow much larger due to the soil and temperature of the state. The sweet and juicy taste pops in your mouth with a degree of crunchy perfection and I absolutely love them.
So, again, two words.
Tasmanian Cherries.
THAT IS ALL.
Holey crap! That's Tasmania? I always thought it was New Zealand.
Did you ever see him in BBC's "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" and "Smiley's People?"
From the 80s. They're the first things I ever saw him in. For me, the best recorded dramas, TV or movies, ever made. Stewart was really good. Alec Guinness was astounding. Watching, I felt I was sinking, drawn in, hypnotized. I'm still shocked by how good his performance was as I remember it now. Time to watch it again.
Nope, it's well below freezing and my pipes burst in my basement, giving me an opportunity to drag my junk outside and pay a plumber a fortune for a late night visit. And it wasn't a porn like plumber who says "let me fix your pipes" but a real plumber who just solders pipes.Quoting TimeLine
Nope, Tasmania is home only to Tasmanian devils, a cartoon character that emerges from a box and swirls around and destroys everything. Everyone knows that. Everyone.Quoting TimeLine
Sure, as if there is a controlled study showing that cherry eaters have less cancer than non cherrry eaters. It sounds like you have been brainwashed by the cherry industrial complex.Quoting TimeLine
And yet another God damned lie. The best cherries in all of America come from Michigan, a land of harsh winters and not particularly humid. It's a just a big stupid place up north somewhere where it's crazy cold and everyone is fat. And before you say that the average southerner isn't particularly svelte, I remind you of Daisy Duke, the single most beautiful angel ever to grace the backwoods of Georgia.
And there's this girl at my gym who I pretend to ignore and it causes her to follow me around and think I'm bad at ignoring her. She's just adorable.
I’m sold, but they probably don’t have any even at the local Whole Foods.
The onset of cancer is often caused by an imbalance in chemical buffer reactions. Too much anti-oxidants actually increase the likelihood for cancer. I know this because a roommate discovered this while doing her PhD research on the subject. It's documented since 2003.
Cherries do have melatonin, but not nearly enough to serve as a therapeutic dose, unless you exclude the placebo effect. There is some evidence to suggest practically anything. I like cherries. From Washington state.
1/3 of the population dies of cancer, whether they ate cherries or not. 1/3 of the population dies of heart disease whether they exercised or not. 1/3 of the population dies from stroke, whether they took statins or high blood pressure medication.
100% of everyone dies of something, regardless of how careful they were.
It's just a matter of what, when, where, how.
The kind of weather you describe in Tasmania enhances the growth of brain destroying fungi.
Who is Stewart? That is Captain Picard. He is the captain of the USS Enterprise. What are you on about, man?
Next thing you know the Q continuum doesn't exist. :s
Did you see the recent "Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy" film with Gary Oldman? I'm a sucker for a great spy drama; they're hard to come by, and that one to me is a masterpiece. F'real
How dare you. Australian mushrooms glow in the dark. Not even Chernobyl can beat that.
Quoting Bitter Crank
Discriminating Aussie cherries, mate?
I heard it was really good and Gary Oldman is a good actor, but I couldn't bring myself to watch it. George Smiley is Alec Guinness. John LeCarre dedicated one of his George Smiley books to Guinness. Do you know what LeCarre thought of the movie?
Fair enough; I'm a youngster, so it's a generational difference I guess. I will say Gary Oldman is not at all what Smiley should look like, physically. He did a great acting job, though. And the rest of the cast was incredible. The pacing and mood in general was awesome. I do know LeCarre was a consultant on the film, or something like that, which I assume means it had his blessing. I'd recommend watching it.
Captain, we've detected signs of a dangerous female lifeform on the Ortsreliam insane asylum planet. Recommend firing forward phasers and a full pattern of photon torpedoes.
Make it so Number two.
I am probably the only person who had a liver inflammation from eating too much fruit. They asked, "do you drink alcohol?" I don't drink alcohol. "Do you smoke?" I don't smoke. "Do you take drugs?" I have never touched any type of drug. "Do you eat excess amounts of apples?" Silence.
What? There is no Ortsreliam insane asylum. Only the asylum on the planet of Elba II managed by the federation by holding a handful of criminally insane exists, the most notorious being the former captain Garth of Izar who remains one of Kirk' formidable opponents. There were only ten patients, given that technology is far more advanced, so I suggest you get your "facts" right, thank you very much.
I'll be sending a letter to the government about this travesty.
A good argument. It is or was on Netflix, so I almost watched several times, but I couldn't do it. I've done the same thing with other books/movies. There is a TV show out now based on Lev Grossman's "The Magicians" trilogy. Can't watch it. I have pictures in my mind of all the characters. What if the actress they chose for Alice doesn't look like the Alice in my mind. I couldn't stand it. I'm in love with Alice.
On the other hand, one of my favorite authors is Elmore Leonard and "Justified", based on a couple of his novels, is wonderful. Timothy Olyphant, who played the main character, is great. A real Leonard character. He also played the main character in "Deadwood." Justified is one of the few shows I ever paid for on Amazon.
Yeah, I get it. I had the same experience with Lord Of The Rings, except my parents read the books to me as a kid, so I was only like 11 when the first movie came out. At the time, obviously, my aesthetic sense wasn't as developed, but right off the bat I knew that Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn was a horrible choice. And to this day, it's totally ruined the character for me, whether in the movies, or when I re-read the books. But Ian McKellen as Gandalf, or Sean Austin as Sam are about as close as one could have hoped for, even if not perfect (McKellen totally botched the immortal "Fly, You Fools!" line. That was the most harrowing moment in the books, growing up. Totally ridiculous in the movie).
Did you really think that every event and conflict Picard and Enterprise ever had was shown on STTNG or one of the movies? Or maybe it was one of those half-assed "alternative future" things. No, wait, I think it was on the holodeck. No, wait - it was that time he got zapped by an alien probe and had to live the entire life of one of the aliens in a couple of hours. One of the aliens was watching "Flor Blag, the Next Pronkfulic" on TV. Maybe it was on ST the Animated Series (a shiver of dread goes down his spine).
Taz has starred alongside Bugs Bunny, so unless he has fucking wings, you're wrong.
Quoting Hanover
So not true. Ok, maybe a little true. I love routine because I can get so much done, so I initially avoided him by changing my routine until it got to a point where I stopped because it was constantly changing. Fuck it, I said. Then he disappeared and I was like wah? Now I am like where is he? It is so frustrating being ignored.
I read "The Hobbit" and the "Lord of the Rings" books when I was 17 years old with my first love, so it has a special place in my heart. Going back later, it was a bit convoluted for my taste. I could never get into the movies. For what it's worth, Viggo Mortensen is one of my favorite actors. Even that was never enough to get me to watch.
Also, as I was discussing with @TimeLine earlier, the fact they were filmed in Tasmania was a big strike against them.
Really? In what way? (I've been reading Philip K. Dick recently, so convoluted might mean something else entirely to me right now).
Quoting T Clark
:P
What a maroon. Everyone knows he was shipped in a crate. See attached picture.
Actually, my criticism isn't right. I just read "Titus Groan" last year. t. It is one of the most difficult, slow, incomprehensible fiction books I've ever read. And wonderful, wonderful.
Hate Philip K. Dick. I guess LOTR didn't work for me this time because I didn't find the characters very interesting or appealing. It's much easier to like a book when you are reading it with your love.
Ah, well, I think I disagree because I think there's some great characters in LOTR. But they're archetypes more so; they're not realistic characters; not ones we can identify with, except when we can identify specifically with Sam's courage, or Smeagol's inner existential torture. But they're not well-rounded characters, so I get that.
I'm not familiar with the other stuff you mentioned; what's the genre/vibe?
Haha, what PKD have you read? I'm utterly fascinated, to an unhealthy degree, with his mystical experiences, and the subsequent literature: VALIS, The Exegesis, etc. I can't even explain just how drawn to that stuff I am. I love the blurred line between fiction, reality, and insanity.
Sorry, not at old as you. O:)
Titus Groan is fantasy but with very little magic. Here's a link to my Amazon review:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/review/R3BR0T0T21TLHP?ref_=glimp_1rv_cl
"The Magicians" is fantasy. When I first started reading it almost seemed like a parody of Harry Potter, but it took me a place HP never did. Older people - college instead of school. More adult themes, and I don't mean sex in particular, but it has a couple of my favorite sex scenes of any I've read. It's definitely not worth reading the books for the sex. What there is is brief and not prurient or gratuitous, or graphic.
Well, I'd love to read a fantasy novel written by you, given your style in that review. And I can see why you prefer what you describe here over LOTR. And, I think I'd probably enjoy it too, but I'm not sure. "full of hundreds or thousands of unused rooms packed with useless and peculiar things" got my fantasy imagination going. But probably only because I'm also a child of Narnia.
If you're not patient, don't start it. On the other hand, if you like LOTR, you must be patient.
And thank you for your comment on my review..
Animaniacs started in 1993, when I was 42 years old.
Also, you should be careful about that age discrimination thing. Some of us are pretty sensitive.
No problem. But I feel like I "know" you in some sense, and I always am biased towards the creative output of people I know; I just listened to my former co-workers new album tonight, and was ecstatic; but then, I had to question whether I was judging the music impartially.
Also, because now I'm getting nerdy, your quote of "unused rooms" didn't only excite my Narnia genes, but also my George McDonald genes. The deep cuts.
Quoting T Clark
I'm actually not very patient.
I'm not particularly patient either. I was surprised at how, once I got into it, I couldn't stop reading.
I've given this book to a lot my family members and I've always felt like I had to warn them. I didn't want them to get started and then come back to me and beat me with sticks.
Fun conversation. Going to bed.
Cheers.
>:O I used to eat fruit all the time when I lived in the Caribbean. Here in the Netherlands it's just not the same so I've mostly moved to vegetables as the healthy part of my diet.
If you chew apple seeds, amygdalin could be released in the body and produce cyanide. Small amounts can be detoxified by enzymes in your body, but large amounts can be dangerous. You probably chewed up too many. I happen to like a touch of toxicity with my apples. I find the seeds have a pleasant taste.
It was a pretty good book. Read it last fall during a Carré binge.
Ah, I need another good LeCarre binge. Been too wrapped up in mysticism and other weird ephemera.
The insurance company denied coverage, claiming it was caused by a Tasmanian devil, citing the exotic pets exclusion.
https://youtu.be/JzRa5Zd5_F0
You should move to a penthouse overlooking Central Park and get one of those black car drivers to take you places. It will be more comfortable and you won't be dependent on public transportation.
You're like me in that I view my life as having two distinct phases: Pre-Animaniac and post.
That's the subtle taste of death. There's a poem in there somewhere.
You misunderstand. I view my life as having two distinct phases - pre-Mr. Greenjeans and post. @Bitter Crank - Tell Hanover who Mr. Greenjeans was.
I was actually on the Howdy Doody show. @Bitter Crank - tell Hanover who Howdy Doody was.
Don't let Hanover fool you into thinking he is some Spring Chicken cause he's not! Stepping over Hanovers' walker.
Now, does anyone recognize Bozo the Clown?
Of course, although he was a franchise. Willard Scott, who went on to be the weatherman on the Today Show, was Bozo on Channel 5 in Washington DC in the 60s. I grew up about equidistant from Philadelphia, Washington, and Baltimore before the days of cable or even UHF for God's sake. I remember:
And many more.
The second and third bulleted shows were tied as the oddest TV children's shows ever until Xuxa came along. Bernie was a rabbit (I guess) who talked with the voice of Ronald Coleman. Andy was played by Andy Devine, a well-known actor who had a voice that made a belt sander sound like Pavarotti.
I was culturally depraved, I guess.
Oh yeah, now I remember the Bozos on the bus thing, thanks to Google. Firesign Theater. Absurdist comedy album, probably intended to be heard while high.
Mr. Green Jeans and Dancing Bear:
Howdy Doody:
Howdy Doody's Peanut Gallery, of which I was a member in, probably, 1958 or 1959. Fuck. I am so fucking old. I'm not in this picture.
Damn, why didn't I think of that? Luxury and a beautiful view at my fingertips, and I'm over here working by the hour and living in Bay Ridge (basically the part of NJ no one wanted, so they gave it to NY.)
God, I was so adorable. What the hell happened?
Yes, I left Romper Room off my list. Also Ding Dong School.
I meant to respond to this but forgot. I read some short stories when I was a kid. Don't remember names. I read a couple of novels. I went and looked at his bibliography and "The Man Who Japed" rang a bell. Maybe "The Game Players of Titan." Clearly my mind has worked to erase the stories from my memory. I don't do bleak with unlikeable main characters very well. Back then, my mind had enough bleakness. Also, an unlikeable main character. That's kind of dark isn't it? I was being 69.23% ironic.
Apparently people used to use arsenic as a recreational drug.
Ha. The bleakness is definitely rough. I love the surreal and mystical elements of his later stuff though; sounds like you read some early ones. VALIS is a literary masterpiece, as far as I'm concerned, and it's sequel, The Divine Invasion actually has a non-bleak ending, surprisingly.
Love Furst. Definitely read his earlier books first. Polish Officer. Blood of Victory. Dark Star, Night Soldiers. They all take place in Europe just before World War II. The heroes are various nationalities - Hungarian, Soviet, Bulgarian, French, Dutch. Such neat characters. All casually and reluctantly heroic. Honorable and loyal. Incredible atmosphere - like "Casablanca," if you've ever heard of that. I love the way relationships between the main characters and women are portrayed. Each story is like a cross-section through a part of the coming conflict. They almost all end up in Paris, in the same restaurant, although characters and stories don't overlap. Together, you feel as though you get a panoramic view.
To me, some of his later books are weaker. I think the same can be said for LeCarre. The end of the Cold War undermined the foundations of his work. Start with "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy."
And yet - Miss Frances of Ding Dong School:
A jovial lady, I'm sure.
Very motherly and comforting for pre-schoolers. No diversity. No gay marriage between snuffleupagi.
I don't think so, but arsenic was used in the 19th century to make a very popular green dye that was used in paint and wallpaper. People liked it in bedrooms, especially. The arsenic vaporized and collected in the closed rooms, and it would make people feel sickish. They hadn't put 2 and 2 together, but they had noticed that something in their bedrooms was making them feel ill. Some people took "vacations" from their bedrooms to feel better.
Read that in a book about the 19th century house.
It was also used as an insecticide. There was an insecticide factory a little over a mile from where I live in Minneapolis. Up to the 1950s the long-gone plant (in an industrial zone between two residential areas) piled up materials outside where the wind picked it up and blew it around--contaminating the surrounding neighborhood soils (and people, of course) with arsenic.
The contamination was finally remediated just a few years ago when a law suit forced the city to scrape off the top 6 inches of soil from many yards adjacent to the plant containing more the a certain level of arsenic and replace it with fresh soil (probably contaminated with something else).
Then there were those two sweet old ladies poisoning gentlemen with arsenic in elderberry wine.
Well of course.
She sort of looks like a character in a Soviet propaganda film. Are you sure Ding Dong School wasn't part of a communist plot?
Then it hasn't been in vain!
You've a bright future of not being a crackpot ahead of you!
No crack, yes. Pot is up to you.
You dirty ol' thang you.
Who the hell eats the seeds of an apple? You bite around it and then throw out the core, well, at least that is what normal people do, unless you're a horse.
And anyway, Mister Ed, the point was that excess fructose is not good for the liver.
You are still very adorable Hanover~ It's going to be okay because as you age, so does the ladies vision! ;)
>:O >:O >:O
LOOOOOOL >:O
God, I am so adorable.
What is laugh out out out out out out loud supposed to mean?
So, how the hell many apples were you eating per hour to produce liver collapse by fructose, ms. non-horse?
People have always said Howdy and I could be twins. You should be more sensitive. Even freakish people have feelings. @Baden - TL is discriminating against those of us who are grotesquely ugly.
I was not in that particular photo. I think that was from the late 40s. I was on in the late 50s. Too bad, you could have seen the resemblance.
Thanks. I'll go look it up.
Similar subject - I don't care much about TV, but I am looking forward to Amazon's "Jack Ryan." I hope it's good. I like John Krasinski. He seems like he would make a good Ryan.
I went back and checked every @TimeLine post since the forum started. Nowhere, nowhere, does she explicitly say she is not a horse.
Makes me think of "Ancillary Justice" by Anne Leckie. Maybe my favorite science fiction book in more than 50 years of reading. Wonderfully written. Moving. Great characters beautifully characterized. At the same time, a good old fashioned space opera. People should read it.
In the galactic society described in the book and it's two follow-ups, no linguistic or social distinctions are made between men and women. The author addresses this by using all female designations. Both men and women are women. "She" applies to everyone. It's disorienting and eye-opening. It's also really fun to try to figure out whether the characters, including the protagonist, are female or male.
Anyway - in the book, when it is necessary to refer to men in particular as separate from women, they are called "women with penises."
I first read about arsenic being used as a recreational drug in "Rose" by Martin Cruz Smith. Pretty good book. Smith wrote "Gorky Park" which is wonderful. Movie is wonderful too. William Hurt was wonderful. Wonderful, wonderful.
After your dismissal, I checked. Apparently arsenic was used as an aphrodisiac in the 1800s, along with use in cosmetics and other consumer products.
Are you a runner? I love running in winter, at night, with normal gloves. Try it while listening to Burn by The Cure. Heck, the entire The Crow soundtrack. Somehow, though, I have this dark and disturbing feeling you are into Billy Ray Cyrus.
No doubt she will be saying, one of these days, that she is a "stable" genius.
Oy old horse, I have a much bigger & more powerful rocket than you, one which actually works >:)
[hide]>:O >:O >:O[/hide]
I don't know. It probably didn't work at all. You know like this:
Geez, Louise you guys. I was making a playful, friendly, and, I thought, amusing comment. You're turning it all creepy.
I try not to fly in the face of public opinion.
No, it's Amanda Hugginkiss.
I know that you know that I don't need to be told who Pussy Galore is. I know you have to tell some of the youngsters.
My brother and I went to Goldfinger with my father. We sat next to each other and Dad laughed out loud - loud out loud - all through the movie. I think that was the last time we ever went to the movies with him.
Never trust Europeans.
Wait. What? Are you telling me you didn't like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (the books and series, not the movie)? I hate you... >:o
Hang on a min min, you recommended the television adaptation, not the novel.
I am going to purify myself of this filthy conversation by watching the Fifth Element.
Ok, so you're not completely hopeless. :P
Too long ago for me to tell I'm afraid. I just remember I enjoyed it a lot. I also enjoyed Dirk Gently. Not sure what's wrong with it according to you. Wildly different tastest obviously!
Maybe this belongs on the Beautiful Things thread:
Sam26 - You should know that TL does not actually look like Ava Gardner or whoever her avatar is this week. There are even unverified reports she may be of the equine persuasion.
TimeLine - You should know that Sam26 is an old, fat crank. Oh....wait... no, that's me. Sorry.
Good news! That nice cleaning lady has just started coming back into work! Everything is alright again!
You're welcome. :) (Just happened to be online soon after. Must be bot radar or something...)
I see you're still posting. Are you asking for an intervention? Do you need to be saved from your own pathetic impulses?
I'm in Massachusetts USA. Is that close enough for me to come over and kick you in the butt. For therapeutic purposes only, of course.
Yes.
Quoting T Clark
Probably?
Sam26 understands me. He knows that I swoon over his manly confidence and though many a night I wept, nay I cried out in prayer, gnashing my teeth with a whimsical desperation that you would grow some balls and come right out and ask me yourself. "Why!" I once wailed in a turbulent fury. But you have left me with nothing but disappointment.
Think.
We could have made hot, pagan love under your Jewish Christmas tree, we could have gone horse-riding down the beach in Malibu with me in my floral dress and you topless in your white linen trousers, your tousled hair glistening from the rays of the burnt orange sunset. But your cowardice has left you with nothing more than the fury of your own sad existence.
:-O - who is the horse?
Yay! That is fantastic. Man, you made my day (Y)
God bless his heart *
* Theological construct protect his cardiac muscle.
<<< likes to slay snakes
When you are ready, I would love to hear it or read the lyrics~ (Y)
Has Atlanta always been a Winter Wonderland in Winter? I was shocked to see how much snow you guys get and how cold. How do you keep your peaches from freezing?
Not really... I'm somewhat left-leaning on economics. I'm much more of a conservative on cultural and social issues.
That's a difficult question and it would depend on the place you're talking about. If you're talking about Europe (or the Western world), then I'd say the Renessaince or late Middle Ages probably. Though even in that case, those periods had some defects that we don't have today, while they had other advantages over us that we lack today. So it's difficult to make a very accurate judgement.
Alas, I was preoccupied with sexing other women in my conveyor belt method as they moved down the line, each more pleasured than the last, and I had forgotten the Post-It note reminder I had written myself and affixed to my teat that I was to call you and request your company, perhaps to a picnic of gouda and herring. And now I fear I might have lost you, not simply for the droves of dainty flowers I have assembly lined banged, but for my failure to text you "wassup" and let you know all you mean to me.Quoting TimeLineWe still can do the things you mentioned, most conveniently between 2:00 and 3:00 this Sunday because me and the boys plan to go to the paint ball place and then maybe play video games later, and I think I might need to help some guy move because he couldn't pay the rent at his apartment (long story), but then after that we could do the pagan fuck thing.
We only get a couple inches of snow at most per year. Really? You're throwing me that softball of "How do you keep your Georgia Peaches warm"? At least challenge me.
So actually anti-Trump ;)
He's pro-Trump because Trump is openly everything Agustino hates, rather than just secretly everything Agustino hates.
Or something like that?
That depends. In certain instances, such as environmental protection, I am anti-Trump. Other instances, such as lowering taxes, I'm not anti-Trump.
He’s been a force for deregulation across the board, and favoring the corporate sector and the rich in tax cuts is a conservative ‘trickle down’ [s]excuse[/s] [s]theory[/s] strategy.
Can you have one without the other?
I suppose we know when things are too lean when disaster strikes, like the economic meltdown of 08.
Quoting Agustino
I am also for low taxes on business & low bureaucracy levels where possible, including reasonable deregulation.
What's my point? I've always taken pride in my writing. I've been doing it professionally for 30 years. My writing is better since I joined the forum.
Your right, that was definitely a soft ball but you know, at your age....
How many eyes do you have?
That quip... Heh.
What a wonderful day in this neighborhood.
Wassup.
Do... do you have eyebrows? :-|
*Urge to scratch Hanover behind the ears steadily rising.
Bullshit. That's Alf:
The only thing I remember from Alf was the big spider Monster that comes to hunt him at some point.
Childhood seriously compromised.
Quoting Hanover
And Akanthinos thinks I sheepishly follow you. *flicks hair
Well, admittedly, there is a sheepish dynamic of some sort at play here, it's just hard to pin down which one is the sheep and which one is the herding dog at any given point in time. O:)
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds, by Charles MacKay, 1841 - famous book. I found it as a PDF on the web. Sometimes those web PDF versions are pretty low quality. Sometimes old public domain books are available for free on Kindle. Worth a check. I haven't read it.
Science - Good, Bad, and Bogus. Martin Gardner. Former book editor of Scientific American. I liked it. He also has a bunch of other books about this type of thing.
Amazing Randy
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And the book is...
Now if I can only find Jan Patocka's Body, Community, Language, World for less than USD$2800, I'll be even happier.
Haha, you're probably right. Are Doc's that much cheaper overseas tho?
Ha, Pomo nonsense! I'm going to buy it just so I can throw it at the wall in disgust! (And then sell it to you at the discounted wall-damaged price of $2799 (Y) ).
Mate, I'm telling you, you got screwed... what's worse is that you're actually happy about it >:O >:O >:O
Think about it... $130!! How are you going to make good on that investment? Will this book help you make more dough? Will it give you knowledge that will be so useful to you that it will merit $130? What can you do with that knowledge? What change does that knowledge (help) create in your life?
If you like buying expensive books, you might as well buy this one. At least with this one, you can probably make the money back in about... 1 month? And from there, it's all profit >:O .
1. Write a POMO book (you can use this to get your chapters)
2. Put a very high price on it.
3. PM SLX about how good this new POMO book is (don't mention it's yours).
4. Wait.
5. Look at how easily the dough rolls in your bank account! :-$ :D
I can get it for $131.02.
I expect a finder's fee.
Thank you for sharing and if you don't mind letting me know your age range, though most of you I hope I already know. (Y)
Did you ever have any concussions during those sports? And my I am guessing your under 32 yrs old.
Good on the concussions! Yay on my age guess ;)
Damn you! You know what that hair flick does to me. *sucks on pinkie.
Good Heavens! You have given her an eye and a tooth, how about an Ear shot?