That is, you might say that in large modes of transportation where you can walk around you will use the word "on," but smaller ones where you must sit, you use "in." I get in the car, van, and taxi, but I get on the boat, train, and airplane, and we then try to figure out how why we're using the terms as we do. If I get on the truck. we assume I'm getting in (not on) the cargo area, but if I get in the truck, I'm in the passenger area.
The train is long, like a branch. Obviously one is always on long things, and in blobby things. Thus one is always in sane, never on sane.
I think this is compatible with Hanover’s view. Normally that’s not a good thing but in this case I think you’re close to cracking the problem together.
But although when the chicken is in the car, it's inside it, when it's on the train it's also inside that :chin:
Conversely (or maybe perversely), if the chicken is ON marijuana, then she is happy and flying high for a mostly flightless bird. But if she is IN the marijuana, then she is IN big trouble, because she knows better than to go pecking through my stash. :monkey:
But then there's the open air exception, where we get on a bicycle or on a skateboard. Of course, there's nothing to get in on those things. But what of the ferris wheel? You get on the ferris wheel and then you close the door once you're inside, how fucked up is that?
I'd think you'd get on the London Eye, but not in it, but a gnat gets in my eye, not on it.
In other news, we also have a ferris wheel in Atlanta where you can see the city. I've never been on it, largely because of the in/on confusion we've been talking about. It's been a thing here for many years and you guys are just now catching up to it.
Conversely (or maybe perversely), if the chicken is ON marijuana, then she is happy and flying high for a mostly flightless bird. But if she is IN the marijuana, then she is IN big trouble, because she knows better than to go pecking through my stash.
Chickens do not partake of the spliff as their beaks are not conducive to facilitating inhalation. Such would result in nothing other than serious loss of product. You obviously are not a farmer.
World population is currently 8 billion and is expected to reach a level of 11 billion before 2100. After that it is expected to decrease till it reaches an equilibrium population of about 9 billion. Birth rates in developed countries have declined dramatically over the past 50 years to the point that the population in many countries is declining. In the US, the birthrate has reached the break-even point of 2.1 live births per woman. Increases in the US population come from immigration. Demographers and economists predict that worker shortages will be as big or bigger problem than crowding, resource shortages, and environmental damage.
World ‘population bomb’ may never go off as feared, finds study
The study, commissioned by the Club of Rome, projects that on current trends the world population will reach a high of 8.8 billion before the middle of the century, then decline rapidly. The peak could come earlier still if governments take progressive steps to raise average incomes and education levels.
It is true that I haven’t commented my breakfast in the past two weeks.
Well, there is an issue. I take for breakfast tofu paste, not the real tofu which is steady. I went to Mercadona (as always do) and the worker said to me that they only have paste of tofu.
So, my breakfast in two weeks a row has been one slice of whole bread with tofu paste and virgin oil.
(I remove the tomato because it doesn't fit well with the taste of tofu.)
Six months from now you'll read a different statistic. Six months from then you'll post a different prognosis.
The prediction in the paragraph I previously posted has been around for a long time and I've seen it quoted many times. If you look under world population growth on the web, that's the one you'll find. So, this new one is a major difference. I'm skeptical. The things I've read always say the path of population growth is easily predictable. This is so vastly different that it raises questions. It represents a radical change from the past pattern.
Ah. Thanks for the info. This being the shoutbox, I assumed it was typical shoutbox fodder. I didn't realize we were doing actual philosophy. Well, then. Yes. *ah-hem*. Let me think for a second. *burp*
If I'm being annoying (which I always am), how do we measure how accurate these prognoses are? Is there a past record of their efficacy? Who's doing the progging and who's measuring it? Do they compare and contrast past progs with current progs? Do they own up to their mistakes? Do they make excuses for their failures? I sound like a dumber version of @unenlightened at this point.
This is great news, although I don't know what tofu paste is. I know about tofu, but not it's "paste" form. I'm curious to hear about it.
It is the tofu itself, but instead of being a rigid block to cut it up, it is a paste like butter or cream prepared to spread on (or "in"?) a slice of bread.
Despite never having been to Spain (yet), my heart was somehow warmed by this statement.
I understand your feeling. When Mercadona catches you up, it is impossible to get rid of them. Even @Jamal still feels its magnetic force, despite he is in Russia.
Fun fact: the other day, the owners of Mercadona conceded a press conference to say "sorry" for how the prices got up and how rich they have become in the past year.
:lol: well done. And your description makes sense; for some reason I was reading "paste" as non-English and imagining it meaning something else. :yawn:
Fun fact: the other day, the owners of Mercadona conceded a press conference to say "sorry" for how the prices got up and how rich they have become in the past year.
And did anything come of it? That's more than an American store would do.
And did anything come of it? That's more than an American store would do.
Well, they just did it because they were receiving a lot of criticism from the government and a part of society. Some see it as unethical to get rich selling food when it is a "basic" product in our lives. They explained that the prices rose because of the Russia-Ukraine war, inflation, interest rates, etc... so it was not "their fault."
These arguments were not convincing for most of the people. :lol:
Fun fact: the other day, the owners of Mercadona conceded a press conference to say "sorry" for how the prices got up and how rich they have become in the past year.
The apology was a response to market forces. They have to market toward the demand, which apparently includes saying sorry when prices get high so they don't lose customers to other stores that present more apologetically.
If you want your banana with an apology, they will be sure to deliver. Capitalism at play.
DavidtechtraderMarch 28, 2023 at 10:27#7927730 likes
Just to say thank you Jamal for the invite to your forum. Look forward to to participating.
David
In Western Europe, people must publicly repent for being rich. As in days of Olde, this eases their path to heaven and generally makes everything okay. In Russia and I believe in the US--though I'm usually wrong about all matters American--the attitude is somewhat different: growing rich from an innocent activity like providing food is inherently commendable. Thus we find that rich Russian and American foodmongers feel no social pressure to repent for their sins, since intersubjectively they actually have no sins, and since God is an intersubjective object of adoration specific to a culture rather than the universal boss of all humanity, their own paths to heaven are assured.
As a Western European, I'm obliged to hate my dentist (my second dentist, this is) because he is very young and good-looking, runs a city centre practice making mountains of cash, and drives a Porsche when he's not being driven around in a Maybach. Also because he's quite rough with my mouth.
Just to add some information to Jamal's response, this is the context:
One of the ministers (member of the Spanish Communist Party) asked Mercadona to please make a "basic basket of food," limiting the prices.
Mercadona owners answered that such a decision would not be possible because Spain is a capitalist country and they have to respect the rules of the European market and other international treaties.
Some consumers got mad after the response and many people started calling them, "savage capitalists". That's why they conceded a press conference saying sorry for raising the prices up due to inflation.
For some reasons, we are used to the fact that banks and ZARA are rich as hell, but in our view, it is quite unethical to become filthy rich selling eggs, bread, and zucchini. Those are products that we need to get feed, they are not whims.
I sound like a dumber version of unenlightened at this point.
Boasting again. You're very competitive.
Gamblers put their money where their prognosis is, so you only have to look at their bank balance. But more canny prognosticators always put someone else's money where their prognosis is. So looking at my bank balance, I wouldn't put much credence at all in them.
Good to have you on board!
I always say that, but I'm not sure if I'm thinking of TPF as a ship or as a train. Thoughts?
I thought of a well stuffed roasted turkey in the middle of a long table, and you with one of those electric carving knives. Like the last supper in modern dress.
Thus we find that rich Russian and American foodmongers feel no social pressure to repent for their sins, since intersubjectively they actually have no sins, and since God is an intersubjective object of adoration specific to a culture rather than the universal boss of all humanity, their own paths to heaven are assured.
I don't know that food sellers are any more or less opportunistic than sellers of other goods. Food selling is also a pretty competitive industry, with enough sellers in the marketplace that it would be hard to gouge people outside of there being a crisis situation. The prices of eggs have skyrocketed, but that has to do with supply issues, not some trust among egg suppliers to raise prices.
I don't take a naïve view of capitalism, but it generally doesn't allow for people to just raise prices to get rich, but price is hammered down by competition.
There is also this problem (and maybe it is actually more prevalent among non-Americans) that fairness should play a role in the setting of prices, and that the American lack of concern over fairness in the marketplace somehow translates into hypocrisy when compared to its declared religious values,
This misunderstanding, I would argue, arises from the lack of appreciation of the disdain Americans have toward communism and Marxism and the general distrust they have toward the government. It really is ingrained in the ideology that tyranny is the reason for America's existence and that only through a Constitution that checks everyone's power can one's rights be protected. I'm not arguing for a naïve acceptance of this ideology, just pointing it out, especially among the right. Communism is considered true evil.
So, when it is rejected that we should have the government or some committee of some sort figuring out the fair price of things as opposed to the price that would arise from the free exchange of contract, that sounds like Stalin just rode his horse into the town square. In fact, all I'd have to do is mention the gulags and that would end your political campaign to set prices.
As to the role of the church, I think the view is that there is an ethical obligation to give to the poor, and generally the religious are more charitable, but the concept of charity and taxation are not muddled in this mindset, so hypocrisy doesn't arise. I get how one may argue that cutting government services on the poor would be seen as uncharitable and non-Christian, but the person would not consider himself unchristian for supporting those cuts because it's likely he's contributing money and labor toward charitable causes on his own volition, which he sees as real charity, as opposed to taxation.
I'm not saying all this is necessary right or logical, but I think it explains things somewhat. It also explains why I always push back when I hear anti-capitalistic rhetoric, as I acknowledge I too am a product of my environment.
That was my favourite bit. It made me think of eggs as rockets.
Fascinating read, but I would like to say that my post was essentially neutral. Playful absurdism and cultural commentary rather than anti-capitalist satire. I may often disapprove of capitalism, but in the Shoutbox I try to hide this proclivity so as to avoid being pounced on by enraged American lawyers.
That was my favourite bit. It made me think of eggs as rockets.
I dropped an egg as I was carrying them inside from the coop. I tried to mop it up with some straw and throw it over the fence because I didn't want animals coming around the coop smelling the rotting egg. My clean up job was typical though, and I suspect all sorts of animals are coming around right now getting close to the chicken coop. Fortunately my wife has built the coop like Fort Knox since the trauma of losing some chickens earlier.
She just bought them a bunch of beach toys, like plastic shovels and buckets, which I've agreed they really need and that will make them happy, which seemed like the only way to agree.
The "um, we're talking about chickens, right?" is the wrong answer in case one day your wife buys chickens and you need to know what not to say.
Reply to Hanover What was the cause of the traumatic chicken slaughter?
I've had chickens and the main problem was rats. From time to time I would put non-harmful rat traps down and then I'd take the captive complaining rats away and release them somewhere else. I don't know if the rats that appeared a few days later in the vicinity of the coop were the same rats or not. I suppose I could have tagged them and then drawn some interesting conclusions about rat behaviour, overland travel times etc.
This was in the days of old PF, and I was in an ancient water mill that had probably been home to rats since Roman times. For this reason and others I ended the previous resident's policy of poisoning them all. One of the other reasons was that it was not fun to climb around the mysterious and labyrinthine attic to collect rat corpses among clouds of flesh flies.
The chickens were free range and spent the whole day doing a big circle around the pond, foraging for worms and beetles and shit. In the first week of the chickens I struggled to round them up before sundown to put them in the coop, because I didn't realize they'd go back by themselves. I should have watched a video or something.
Not philosophy so much as current events, although this subject does come up pretty often in various hell in a handbasket threads. This is something I find interesting. It tells me a lot how the world will be for my children. Even the old predictions argue in opposition to the worst of the doomsayers.
how do we measure how accurate these prognoses are? Is there a past record of their efficacy? Who's doing the progging and who's measuring it? Do they compare and contrast past progs with current progs? Do they own up to their mistakes? Do they make excuses for their failures?
Yes. I'm asking the same questions. As I said, I'm skeptical of the new results.
Reply to Jamal The typical rat solution is a cat. Just the smell of a cat scares rats. And, you get a cat, and I like cats. If you have too many cats, you have to get a dog. Too many dogs, a wolf. Too many wolfs, a cobra. Too many cobras, a mongoose. Too many mongeese (yes, mongeese), you have to get an elephant. Too many elephants, you have to get a gun. Too many guns, you have to get legislation. Too much legislation, you have to get a rat and it all starts over again.
A fox got my chickens. I saw him run off. I ran to get my gun, but I didn't have a gun because I was at the legislation stage in my eco-system above, so I got my elephant. It was cumbersome to say the least.
The chickens will come home to roost, and some might refuse to go in the coop, which probably has to do with pecking order and bullying, but I just throw those in there because being inside is safer than being outside.
As a Western European, I'm obliged to hate my dentist (my second dentist, this is) because he is very young and good-looking, runs a city centre practice making mountains of cash, and drives a Porsche when he's not being driven around in a Maybach. Also because he's quite rough with my mouth.
Where I used to work we had a saying - Competence makes up for anything. Seems like your dentist fails to meet that standard.
Also - note I have reverted to my old standard of using a hyphen in any situation where any kind of dash might be appropriate. During the recent in/on discussion here I kept thinking "This is incredibly tedious." Then I remembered our punctuation-fest and stopped whining to myself.
TPF's tenth birthday on October 20th 2025. Thoughts?
Let's have a meet up in the radioactive ruins of Kiev. Or Madrid. @javi2541997 can take us all to that macarena store to by tofu paste. Or Athens. We can all wander the streets annoying people just like Socrates did. Or Boston, you guys can all stay at my house. Or Minneapolis, we'll all sleep at @BC's place. Or Australia. We can track down @Streetlight and @TimeLine and beat them up. If you guys want to stay with @Banno, that's fine. I'll just get a hotel room. Or Atlanta. We can all learn how to milk chickens and gather goat eggs at @Hanover's "farm."
Reply to T Clark@Noble Dust Demographic, climatic, and economic projections, especially when they are speculating about 2100, always need to be taken with several grains of salt. Because it's difficult enough to model the future for one major phenomenon (like population) without trying to calculate what a hotter climate will do to food supply, disease, and mortality. The world may have truly splendid cashflows in 2100 as we try to survive global warming -- or maybe the economies will crash. A robust population of 11 billion might be just fine, unless 4 billion are trying to move as far north as they can get, and the other 7 billion are dying off.
Or maybe everything will go to hell in a handbasket in 2024. Economies collapse, industrial production grinds to a halt, CO2 levels stabilize, billions starve, and 2100 turns out to be not too bad ecologically.
We have't figured in how artificial intelligence will help or hinder. Supposedly it's going to make a huge difference in everything from smarter investing to better pornography. And we haven't figured in benevolent or malevolent aliens arriving in 2101 and either saving us or settling our hash once and for all.
I chatted with Google's AI, Bard, and it claimed to have read The Philosophy Forum. However, it couldn't name any of the participants.
Except for Minneapolis these are all good options.
And just what do you mean by that? October is the loveliest time of year in Minneapolis. Plus, there is an Ikea here where they serve meatballs that are not made from mammoths (at least that's what they said).
And just what do you mean by that? October is the loveliest time of year in Minneapolis. Plus, there is an Ikea here where they serve meatballs that are not made from mammoths (at least that's what they said).
:grin:
Sorry, I was just trying to cause a ruckus in the Shoutbox.
maybe everything will go to hell in a handbasket in 2024. Economies collapse, industrial production grinds to a halt, CO2 levels stabilize, billions starve,
I will not leave my hut if it is not Japan my next destination, that's a given.
You're right, I should have thought of Japan. We can go to Mishima's grave in Tokyo and then eat sushi off Hello Kitty plates. Later, we can go to McDonalds, KFC, and Starbucks. Where else should we go?
I'm offended you didn't mention the spotless, luxurious streets of NYC. We can eat foie gras, sip fine wine, and discuss the subtleties of Picasso's late period.
I had a yellow shirt that I'd wear when my kids were little and I told them it was my hotdog shirt because I could spill mustard on it and you wouldn't be able to tell.
I'm telling you this in case I die so that I know someone will be around to pass that on.
I'm offended you didn't mention the spotless, luxurious streets of NYC.
Please don't be offended. I love New York like no other city. My mother grew up there and she would take us with her to see her father. We went to plays, artsy movies, restaurants, zoos, book stores. It's magical to me. I just figured there wouldn't be room for all of us in your apartment.
I will happily drink a Budweiser or Modelo out of whatever container. These days 24oz cans seem to be the new norm at ballparks.
I haven't been to a Braves game in a while. They moved the stadium from downtown to Marietta, which is northwest of the city and I live northeast of the city, and there aren't many good east-west roads, so I would have to drive all the way down to the perimeter and then go up I-75 and that would take too long.
That and I really am not much of a baseball fan.
I live fairly close to the triple A minor league Braves stadium, but that's even more boring because what they do doesn't matter and the price isn't even that much cheaper.
Their team name is the Stripers (not Strippers, which would be cooler because I like having my furniture stripped). A striper is a hybrid bass that is stocked in Lake Lanier, which apparently is a good game fish, and the stadium is sort of near Lake Lanier, if you think 30 to 45 minutes is close. Stripers don't reproduce, so they aren't invasive. Strippers do reproduce, so BE CAREFUL and DOUBLE WRAP!! It's all fun and games until you're waiting for the rugrat to reach 18 so you can take him off the rolls.
Ø implies everythingMarch 28, 2023 at 21:33#7930750 likes
Just got home and began my one week of free days (I work shifts). FRIGG YEAH! Please see to it that you fucking appreciate my use of frigg in lieu of profanity.
You should do what @Hanover does. He posts here instead of working, or while working I guess. We're his substitute for solitaire. I think I'll start a new post; Solitaire - Solipsism, Marxist protest, or just lazy schmucks screwing the boss.
Serious post warning. I miraculously got an old hard drive, presumed broken, to work a few months ago, and found a treasure trove of old demo recordings from the 2013-2015 era of my non-existent music career. I've been mixing and now mastering them for the past few months, and they're nearly done, and about to see the light of day. It's been a very gratifying experience. Got me feelin' some kinda way.
old demo recordings from the 2013-2015 era of my non-existent music career. I've been mixing and now mastering them for the past few months, and they're nearly done, and about to see the light of day. It's been a very gratifying experience.
Would you share the demo recordings with us? :eyes:
I like lo-fi and vaporwave, but I don't make it. Similar to how I love Meshuggah but don't make death metal. I love both Coltranes, but don't have a technical understanding of jazz...etc. My main project is a sort of art-rock/indie rock thing. I'm sort of putting the nails in its coffin already. I'm moving more in the direction of ambient/experimental. I.E. as I get older, I move towards music that is less and less musical. :party:
I'm moving more in the direction of ambient/experimental. I.E. as I get older, I move towards music that is less and less musical.
I understand. It seems to be a personal realization where you can express yourself through music.
Interesting, indeed. Music is another kind of art, and it helps us consider what we feel.
You should do what Hanover does. He posts here instead of working, or while working I guess. We're his substitute for solitaire. I think I'll start a new post; Solitaire - Solipsism, Marxist protest, or just lazy schmucks screwing the boss.
Hah, brilliant. If we're his substitute for solitaire, does that mean our responses are just the random front-sides of back-turned cards in his one-man, solitary game? I guess the solipsism explanation seems most likely then.
Reply to Ø implies everything Not only are you my solitaire, you're self aware solitaire, and you spend your time analyzing what you are to me.
You're a perfect narcissistic creation.
Keep up the good work.
Ø implies everythingMarch 29, 2023 at 11:17#7932860 likes
Reply to Hanover I wouldn't be so glib. You don't play solitaire with physical cards now, do you?
You are playing solitaire with a computer. If we are the "cards", then we are the computer... and what we show to you are cards selected via random-number generation. What you show to us, your moves, is selected via cognitive algorithms. In other words, we give you randomness, and you give us information. You think you are playing us, but it is in fact we who plays you! All we are giving you is a distraction; you however, give us all the knowledge needed to analyze the human race's tactical cognition. Mwahahaha!
If we're his substitute for solitaire, does that mean our responses are just the random front-sides of back-turned cards in his one-man, solitary game?
You're overthinking the solitaire thing. That means you'll fit right in here at the forum.
As mayor of the shoutbox, I have to maintain order. We're all strangers here. Oversharing about, for instance, how happy you were to get an old hard drive to work and how you found a bunch of old music on it, and how that filled you with so much joy, is inappropriate.
I hate to break it to you, but not everyone is Jewish. Can I say that? :yikes:
By the way, the chicken sandwich was, as always, great. It's pretty random, but a grilled chicken breast is supplemented by cheddar, lettuce, tomato, avocado, bacon and pickled jalepeno, with a vague but delicious green salsa-ish thing as the sauce. It comes with fries. I'm not even a big fry guy, but these are slender, shoe-string almost, and the perfect amount; normally here in America, sandwiches come with a disgusting amount of fries and I can barely crack into them, but I ate all of them with this meal.
Well, the same gist seems to be appropriate. Actually, I wish I had prognoses of debauched nights to come, but mostly I'll be watching baseball and laying around, which is honestly all I want to be doing. On Friday I'll be heading to this burger pop-up that I've been meaning to go to for quite awhile, by this guy George Motz, the self-styled "Burger Scholar".
This suggests that you think I don't know my shit. I may be a youngster, but I have reasons for my sideline position on many things. Reasons, I tell you. Big brain over here.
Unfortunately by ordering from this restaurant I had to stoop to proletariat bacon; i.e. lukewarm, greasy, and causing the bun of the sandwich to become soggy. I nearly threw it out the window in distress, but realized it might land on the head of my neighbor who smokes spliffs out front. I refrained for his sake, and because he's black and I want to be seen as a man of the people, as you all know. I also love the smell of spliffs. Combining that heavenly scent with the putrid aire of bacon grease was unacceptable to me. Again, I'm a man of the people.
This suggests that you think I don't know my shit. I may be a youngster, but I have reasons for my sideline position on many things. Reasons, I tell you. Big brain over here.
I apologize. I did not intend to impugn your class-conscious credentials and I ask for my comment to be strucken from the record.
Unfortunately by ordering from this restaurant I had to stoop to proletariat bacon; i.e. lukewarm, greasy, and causing the bun of the sandwich to become soggy. I nearly threw it out the window in distress, but realized it might land on the head of my neighbor who smokes spliffs out front. I refrained for his sake, and because he's black and I want to be seen as a man of the people, as you all know. I also love the smell of spliffs. Combining that heavenly scent with the putrid aire of bacon grease was unacceptable to me. Again, I'm a man of the people.
This gives me overwhelm. So much to analyze here I don’t know where to start.
I ask for my comment to be strucken from the record.
Unfortunately comments cannot be deleted on TPF because we use a service provider called Plush Forums. In fact, your comment may be flagged by a moderator, or even deleted. You may even receive a warning PM if the content of your post was deemed to be egregious enough.
Surely that's nothing in comparison to an everyday post from Hanover
You are both artists of the Shoutbox whose comments contain more than any analysis can describe. Great art always escapes the boxes we try to put it in.
You need to learn the "yes and" approach. I think @Hanover intuitively knows it, even if he's never heard of it. @T Clark doesn't count; he's in his own humor universe, as is @BC.
… philosophy should seek its contents in the unlimited diversity of its objects. It should become fully receptive to them without looking to any system of coordinates or its so-called postulates for backing. It must not use its objects as the mirrors from which it constantly reads its own image and it must not confuse its own reflection with the true object of cognition.
I'm pretty sure he said you're the mommy and @Baden is the daddy. Congrats, btw.
That said, you're sheer ignoring of improv comedy cues suggests you know next to nothing about posting in the shoutbox. Despite having founded the thread. I'm hangry already, and not from lack of food.
I'm guessing you find "Robby" a lot more annoying than I find "Clarky." I've been called that all my life, although there was a period when I was called "Killer."
Well Clarky, it's just more that you...live in...your....own...worldHAHAHAuhhh
I was named funniest member of the The Philosophy Forum by the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy, so it's official. Now that Streetlight is gone, I've moved up to fourth smartest too.
Reply to Hanover I'm not sure, but I think it's possible to create a golem that will identify and destroy them, so long as you know the secret spell and you're close to some mud.
Reply to javi2541997 That sounds like a good soup. Ham and leek is a good combination. Laurel/bay leaf can be pretty strong but I use it a lot. And you can't go wrong with spring onions.
So I had this soup I made but I'm not really a soup guy so I reduced it down to a kind of chunky sauce, rolled it up in a lavash with some extra added tuna, and munched. It was a lot better than I expected.
Meal: Rice soup with leeks, serrano ham, spring onion and laurel.
No bread this time.
My son likes to tell me how he buys 10 pound hams on the cheap and then he eats it for several weeks, living off maybe a few dollars a day on salted pig meat. It sounds like something a rebel soldier might have lived off during the civil war. I imagine him sleeping outside in the fetal position in the mud under a tree with scraps of pork in his pockets.
He also shot, killed, cleaned, and ate a crow once. He said the meat was purple. Then there was the time he killed a deer, skinned it with a pocket knife on the ground, and went elbow deep yanking out the guts from the ground. When the zombie apocolypse comes, he will be king. Right now, those skills have limited application and are somewhat disturbing.
The word "ham" in your story made me think of that.
Reply to Jamal It was a good soup, I forgot to mention that I put garlic in it while it was boiling, so the taste of the garlic was the main protagonist. Not so strong, but heavy.
The word "ham" in your story made me think of that.
Interesting.
When I read your post, I had concluded that it was the life of a perfect hunter, but it turns out that the main protagonist is your son.
All that he does will be impossible for me. I like eating meat, but hunting the animals—wow, I would be scared and probably end up being eaten by a bear.
All that he does will be impossible for me. I like eating meat, but hunting the animals—wow, I would be scared and probably end up being eaten by a bear.
I have encountered Spanish hunters. All I wanted to do was climb up the mountain, but there were these two guys shooting sparrows or whatever, and it made me a bit nervous. Same in France and Italy. I shouldn't be speaking up for British-style hunting where it's only the upper class who can do it, but really, it's just not cricket.
All that he does will be impossible for me. I like eating meat, but hunting the animals—wow, I would be scared and probably end up being eaten by a bear.
So hunting is not a kill or be killed sort of activity, but the hunter has the upper hand with the high powered rifle and being placed high above in a stand. Even if you were walking around quietly like Elmer Fudd trying to kill wabbits, the chances of some wild creature coming at you are hovering right around zero. It's generally much safer in the woods than on the streets.
But, I do understand the reluctance to hunting in terms of killing an animal. I actually have never done it. I have no problem getting my meat at Kroger, but I have no desire to kill my own food. Maybe it's hypocrisy of some sort on my part, but that's how it is.
I'm actually pretty anti-gun, which I get hurts my street cred, but I feel like if I'm ever in a position where I think I'm going to need a gun, I need to find a new position to be in.
Reply to Hanover At the aforementioned water mill, I was given a 0.22 rifle and a huge amount of ammunition and was asked to deal with the coypus, otherwise known as nutria, a very large South American rodent not much smaller than the capybara. Coypus were taken to Europe and released by one of those idoitic Victorian explorer buffoons.
They undermine dams and slowly destroy the hydrological balance, which is a big problem in a water mill. Even though I had not signed up for killing animals and had never held a gun before, I spent the winter killing the coypus and came to quite enjoy it. It helped that they were unfriendly and had ugly orange teeth.
EDIT: Have I said all this shit before? I'm in my fifties now, it's hard to keep track.
All I wanted to do was climb up the mountain, but there were these two guys shooting sparrows or whatever, and it made me a bit nervous.
I feel the same whenever I go to my grandparents' house in Toledo. There are a lot of hunters, and when I hear them shooting at sparrows or rabbits, it makes me feel anxious.
I understand that hunting is not necessarily as savage as it appears on TV or YouTube videos. I guess (only a guess because I never pressed a trigger in my life) that hunting a sparrow is not a big deal. But I don't know. It is a weird feeling. I am not a celestial judge to decide whether to end their lives. It's weird and a paradox because later on I eat a lot of meat...
I feel the same whenever I go to my grandparents' house in Toledo. There are a lot of hunters, and when I hear them shooting at sparrows or rabbits, it makes me feel anxious.
When I first moved to France I got a new bike. It was summer, and it was a full moon, so I thought it would be nice to ride around the countryside in the moonlight at midnight.
I had not accounted for hunters, so I was riding around the fields amidst gunshots, trying not to look like a deer. Never again.
Reply to T Clark There's a grain of tooth in that stereotype, but Americans seem to have a thing about teeth. Europeans are mocked throughout American culture for having normal teeth. To be fair, Russians mock us Western Europeans for the same thing. Yet another dimension of commonality between the Russians and Americans.
Yes, well, I went to the dentist yesterday and she told me I need to go see a periodontist, a guy to look at my gums. So, I am a bit obsessed with dentistry right now. Also, would you really expect me to shy away from an overused stereotype in my quest to be amusing?
At the aforementioned water mill, I was given a 0.22 rifle and a huge amount of ammunition and was asked to deal with the coypus, otherwise known as nutria, a very large South American rodent not much smaller than the capybara. Coypus were taken to Europe and released by one of those idoitic Victorian explorer buffoons.
I was reading about them because apparently they're a thing down in Lousiana and some family had one as a pet they raised from a pup, but the authorities said that was illegal and they had to give it away. They cried their eyes right out their head, so the wildlife po po took their boot off their necks and let them have their nasty little critter that probably runs in circles and chews up all the electrical cords.
Fred once yanked all the internet cables out of my backyard, so the cable man had to come out there and hook them back up. I put some anti-Fred fencing around there. That way y'all didn't have to miss a single day of my postings.
I was reading about them because apparently they're a thing down in Lousiana and some family had one as a pet they raised from a pup, but the authorities said that was illegal and they had to give it away.
I thought nutria (coypus) are the same as muskrats, but apparently muskrats weigh about 3 pounds and nutria weigh about 9. We have lots of muskrats on the east coast. I wouldn't want to meet one 3 times bigger.
The juveniles lunged at me aggressively if I disturbed them when they were eating the corn that I had put down for the geese, ducks, and swans, and the adults ignored me. I found them unpleasant, but I think they felt the same about me. Anyway, it was me who had the gun.
Fred once yanked all the internet cables out of my backyard, so the cable man had to come out there and hook them back up. I put some anti-Fred fencing around there. That way y'all didn't have to miss a single day of my postings.
Is Fred your dog or your son? I can't remember.
Ø implies everythingMarch 30, 2023 at 18:59#7939360 likes
It was a worthy attempt on your part, although I'm unsure of whether making a spanking joke could be considered saving "face"..
As someone who finds sports gruesomely boring, and given the tradition of forcing sport upon men as necessary part of masculinity which is then later self-imposed by the men later, I think the allusion to self-flagellation made my spanking joke quite fitting.
As someone who finds sports gruesomely boring, and given the tradition of forcing sport upon men as necessary part of masculinity which is then later self-imposed by the men later, I think the allusion to self-flagellation made my spanking joke quite fitting.
Speaking of sports, I learned I was a really good ice skater fairly recently, which I never really tried much considering we have very few ice skating rinks down here. Had I been born in Canada, assuming there really is a Canada, I would have been a top hockey player and would probably have had a name with a bunch of consonants and I'd have said "eh" a lot.
I'm glad that didn't happen to me.
Instead, I live down where I live, have a bunch of dogs, goats, chickens, and a cat, and I landed a job at the local philosophy outfit as a moderator. It's an honest living, not the lights and glamor of hockey playing, but it suits me ok.
I also have more problems with my teeth and gums than I had expected, after many decades of strong healthy teeth. It's just disappointing.
Do you talk a lot? Sometimes people who just go on and on, flapping their gums, clanging their teeth together, they run into mouth, face, jaw, and teeth problems. My dentist told me to shut up and that pretty much cured my dental issues. He suggested I find a place to say the things I'm now shutting up about in typing form to cure me of my urge to yammer.
Ø implies everythingMarch 30, 2023 at 20:14#7939630 likes
Says the guy whose joke included a koan. Then again, if koans aren't supposed to make sense, can they really be complicated? I guess if they're nonsensically sensible or sensible nonsensical, then that would make them simply complicated or complicatedly simple.
This man took up two parking spaces at the gym. One for his car and the other for his open door so he could hang out the side and eat an apple.
I wanted to pull in and smash his door into his legs, but I instead chose one of the other 100 or so open spots. It's the principle of the thing. The spots are for cars, not dangley legs
If there are no trees to cut, but instead, only nails bereft of a wooden embrace; is the axe a chopper or a hammer?
If there are no feet, why would there be shoes?
I mean, who's the fucker making nails when there's nothing for them to go in? I don't think anyone would know what they were. It's like if I invented film 100 years before cameras. It would be a paperweight.
If there are no trees to cut, but instead, only nails bereft of a wooden embrace; is the axe a chopper or a hammer?
I suppose, under a very strict set of rules of interpretation, the nails' bereftness of wood could be limited to actual wood, but under the broader metaphorical interpretive scheme I assumed, as your prose waxed poetic, "wood" referred to any embracer of a nail.
This is to say, when you said the nail ain't got no dad burn wood to hold itself to, since you were talking like Walt fucking Whitman, I took that to mean your lonely old nail had no mate to penetrate.
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 01:44#7940920 likes
Reply to Hanover To say that the relation R does not hold between a and b is not the same as saying b does not exist; in fact, if anything, saying [math] \neg(aRb) [/math] only implies the existence of b. Hence, my response:
Thus, when I said the nails were not in wood, I was not saying there was no wood. Thus, you have wood, you have nails, you have no trees left to cut, and you have an axe... so, might as well use the axe to hammer the nails into your wood.
Reply to Ø implies everything You said there were no trees to cut. You didn't say there were no trees left to cut. From that, I envisioned no trees anywhere, dead, alive, standing, or dead (maybe I said that twice). This envisioning took me back to the earliest days of creation, prior to the trees coming into existence, but sometime after the water and sky happening.
So, no trees, no wood, and nails bereft of the warm, solid embrace of morning wood.
At this point, we might have to submit this dispute to @T Clark. He's the wisest man any of us know. He once had me split my baby. He'll need to look up "bereft" though.
Home after work. Watching a Russell Brand, Candace Owens podcast, awaiting a pizza and some goat's cheese fritters. Junk food of every kind at my place this evening.
Reply to Noble Dust Just capped off the experience with Baz Luhrman's Elvis. It's a color saturated sitcom and if it's about anything at all, it's production design. I'm not sure Tom Hanks was right as Bela Lugosi, however.
You said there were no trees to cut. You didn't say there were no trees left to cut. From that, I envisioned no trees anywhere, dead, alive, standing, or dead (maybe I said that twice). This envisioning took me back to the earliest days of creation, prior to the trees coming into existence, but sometime after the water and sky happening.
Ah I see. Well, I hoped that the prior (and possible future) existence of trees in my metaphor were taken for granted by analogy to the real world. In the future, I will add left.
No no, nothing is the thing you're after! YOU WON!
Good, being enlightened is going to give my arguments much more authority. I hope you will testify to my transcendence if I need some support in future discussions.
There, that's more like it. I had pizza for lunch yesterday with leftovers for today. No goat cheese fritters though. I'm sure we have some goat cheese in the refrigerator so I guess I could make my own.
Well, sure, metaphysics, but not only metaphysics. Wouldn't you be more likely to trust my opinion of Kant's views on chewing gum if you knew I was enlightened?
Mehhhh. I have seen some enlightened people and have not been impressed. But exception surely exist.
Kant's views on gum might be found in his correspondence, your views are more unique.
Be that as it may, my enlightenment is the hole card I will hold in all my arguments from this day forward. Kind of like an endorsement from Donald Trump - it doesn't mean I'll win, but at least people will pay attention.
Ah I see. Well, I hoped that the prior (and possible future) existence of trees in my metaphor were taken for granted by analogy to the real world. In the future, I will add left.
I will hold you to this promise. The word left is important to me and my family. Thank you.
Good, being enlightened is going to give my arguments much more authority. I hope you will testify to my transcendence if I need some support in future discussions.
In addition to my position as the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy here on the forum, I am now Certified Enlightened®. See previous comment from @Ying. This will certainly add even more authority and credibility to my opinions and observations.
Also, I want to introduce my new temoji. A temoji is a T Clark emoji, which I use to demonstrate my contempt for standard emojis. This is my smile temoji:
As you can see, I've used Donald Trump's mug shot for this purpose.
As you can see, I've used Donald Trump's mug shot for this purpose.
Your pet tardigrade is called Donald Trump? I like that. He already is more likeable than his counterpart, since he's only a moss pig, not a capitalist one.
Let's test that theory. Tell me what I'm thinking right now.
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 22:20#7944190 likes
Hey, I have a question. Is it a violation of point 2 in Site Guidelines to not answer a comment due to being too lazy to deal with a view one has judged very confused and shallow? I feel like it is wrong of me, and what authority does my judgement of such matter hold? Then again, one could say (in general) that one is free to reply to what one wants. However, choosing to not reply to a comment out of unwillingness (instead of inability) seems to be tonally problematic. What do you guys think?
Doesn't sound like a mod issue to me. I can see the theoretical possibility where you could troll someone by ignoring them after baiting them into a conversation, but what you're described isn't that.
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 22:30#7944230 likes
Reply to Baden I see, thank you. Extending my question beyond issues of moderation, is lazily choosing to not answer going against the site's normative etiquette/ethics? I add lazily not to imply that not answering is always lazy; just that in my contemplated scenario, it would be.
On the other hand, if you’re posting in the Shoutbox because you couldn’t resist complaining about what you thought was a confused and shallow post, but you’re disguising it as a humble question about the guidelines…
Well, maybe I’m too cynical.
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 22:39#7944290 likes
Reply to Jamal Haha, you're not too cynical. Although you were wrong in this instance, I would have suspected the same in your shoes. Thanks for replying to my question by the way!
We're not here to police energy levels. Otherwise, I might find myself in etiquette jail too. But an example of bad etiquette might be starting an OP with the intention of not answering any of the replies at all.
Some of the worst discussions are bad because people feel they have to respond to every single post, leading to fruitless squabbles and misunderstandings.
I should point out that what I’ve said shouldn’t be taken to imply necessarily that when I don’t respond to someone, it’s because I think it’s a bad or uninteresting comment.
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 22:46#7944380 likes
Reply to Jamal You do point out something important there. If I cultivate the feeling that I am obligated to answer, then I am more likely to produce replies for the sake of replying, not for the sake of actually learning/teaching.
Then again, it is a double-edged sword. Not feeling any obligation can lead to just answering the easy posts.
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 22:47#7944400 likes
I should point out that what I’ve said shouldn’t be taken to imply necessarily that when I don’t respond to someone, it’s because I think it’s a bad or uninteresting comment.
Yeah, I agree with that. There are posts I have yet to reply to because I've gotten distracted or because I need to do more research to reply. And some posts do not need a reply; they are just of a terminal nature.
But an example of bad etiquette might be starting an OP with the intention of not answering any of the replies at all.
Yeah, I see that. Such a practice could perhaps imply that one wasn't so interested in the first place, which would violate point a) of Starting a New Discussion.
Let's test that theory. Tell me what I'm thinking right now.
Well, I don't know what you were thinking when you posted that question, but right now you're thinking "Is that 7 or 8 pints I've had now?"
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 22:52#7944450 likes
Reply to Jamal True that, but the philosophical spirit is tender and can lose its oomph under enough pressure. Having an external structure outside of it to force it into good habits might be a good idea, sometimes.
Yeah, I agree with that. There are posts I have yet to reply to because I've gotten distracted or because I need to do more research to reply. And some posts do not need a reply; they are just of a terminal nature.
There are those among the membership who write good posts and yet are clearly not worried by any of this. Sometimes it’s rude, and rudeness isn’t great, but neither is it necessarily against the rules.
Maybe this is like what you y'all're talking about.
I worked at this place, and I'd typically not say hello to people when I walked by them. This one woman would say hello everyday and I wouldn't respond. She got mad and stopped saying hello to prove a point.
We became friends a while later and she told me that story. I had no idea all that happened. An entire battle happened and I never knew.
My point is that sometimes people don't respond and the silence means nothing. The swirl in your head sometimes doesn't match the swirl in other's.
Ø implies everythingMarch 31, 2023 at 22:55#7944510 likes
Sometimes it’s rude, and rudeness isn’t great, but neither is it necessarily against the rules.
That's good to know :) At least I know I won't be breaking any rules by this, and I'll simply have to figure out some decision procedure to help me balance between both edges of the sword.
That's good to know :) At least I know I won't be breaking any rules by this, and I'll simply have to figure out some decision procedure to help me balance between both edges of the sword.
:up:
My decision procedure, which I have formulated carefully over a period of several years: reply when I feel like it, don’t when I don’t.
Hey, I have a question. Is it a violation of point 2 in Site Guidelines to not answer a comment due to being too lazy to deal with a view one has judged very confused and shallow? I feel like it is wrong of me, and what authority does my judgement of such matter hold?
I generally respond to posts that are specifically addressed to me. I would feel bad not responding to someone who was being reasonably polite and sincere. If I don't think I have anything of value to offer, I'll just say so.
I feel the need to mention that the main reason I don't reply is because I haven't figured out what I could say. It's a confusion on my part, rather than a rudeness.
I have no problem being rude if the need arises ;)
Ø implies everythingApril 01, 2023 at 00:01#7945070 likes
Well, my own cat is quite proficient at the act of stroking keys, so I'm always wondering if there's truly a human behind all those blocks of texts that come my way.
I got a deshedding glove and petted my cat until I got enough fur off that I can now just pet the fur ball on my chest and pet it. It's freed up time for my cat to look out the window more. Win win.
Ø implies everythingApril 01, 2023 at 01:41#7945440 likes
I got a deshedding glove and petted my cat until I got enough fur off that I can now just pet the fur ball on my chest and pet it. It's freed up time for my cat to look out the window more. Win win.
Out of curiosity, what do you consider reasonably polite and sincere?
Comments which seem to be trying to address the issues raised in the post they are responding to and in the OP. Substantive arguments expressed in reasonably civil language.
the tofu paste again. Do you love it? I grew up eating a lot of tofu and hated it, so as an adult I haven't gotten back into it. I'm at an age now where I could be convinced to give it a shot.
Reply to Noble Dust Imagine how much I love tofu that I eat a portion of it each day. I guess this weird habit comes from my unconditional love for anime/manga/ Japanese stuff since I was a kid.
I'm always wondering if there's truly a human behind all those blocks of texts that come my way.
I'm a little bit worried about all the sophisticated AI software seeping down into the hands of the general public. Eventually TPF could be infiltrated. Some TPF members like to stroke their own egos, so they might create a number of sock puppet AI accounts which follow them around and praise, support, and expound on, all the excellent ideas they are posting. That's rather creepy, but I guess it's already pervasive in primitive forms, on most social media platforms.
I believe we'll need a new form of philosophical training designed for the detection of AI. A test for that stupidity which is inherent in all real persons, but lacking in AI. Click on the "I am not a robot" button, because only a human would be stupid enough to fall for that one.
Ø implies everythingApril 01, 2023 at 14:32#7946650 likes
Although I am very worried about AI in general, I am not so worried that the text coming my way belongs to humans. I exercise Death to the Author for the most part, usually responding to what they said first and foremost, and then perhaps responding a little to what I think they intended to say (granted there was a disconnect). I don't take anyone to be an authority, and thus always read up on what they said, to see if it is true. In cases that is not possible, I just think about what they said, and subject it to my own logic and views. At no point does the Is this a human/an intelligent being enter the picture, because text literally speaks for itself and even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Thus, it makes little practical difference to me, in the moment, whether the texts come from a human or a AI like GPT. For those using it though, I'd be very careful. One might think the AI is good for getting the boring stuff done, like exposition of facts; but doing boring things is good for us. If we always pick the path of maximum stimulation, we desensitize ourselves, and soon, creating logical arguments is the boring stuff.
the tofu paste again. Do you love it? I grew up eating a lot of tofu and hated it, so as an adult I haven't gotten back into it. I'm at an age now where I could be convinced to give it a shot.
Have you ever tried tempeh? (Fermented soybeans). Much firmer texture and (I think) better taste, even the plain variety. Comes in flavors too like barbecue. And being fermented, it provides probiotics super powers! :cool:
And if you’d maybe like a little vacation, put a leash on the ball o’fur and take it for a walk around the neighborhood. Be sure to talk to it loudly and continuously. Ok, the “vacation” would be in a “mental health” facility, but whatever. This plan has worked for me. I’m currently on “vacation” now! :joke:
By the way, don’t know if you already mentioned... but do you have anything special planned for your 10,000th post? Revealing the meaning of life and what lies beyond? The raunchiest joke you ever heard? The family recipe for orange marmalade? The mind boggles!
I'm going to try making a Vietnamese fish pot dish I had a while ago. It's this caramelized fish with onions that's really good. Not sure if you've had it, but I think I need to make that.
This Vietnamese guy I knew introduced it to me. They also had this super sweet coffee with condensed milk that he raved about, but I thought it was too sweet and kind of disgusting.
He then gave me some dried salted plumbs that were pretty nasty.
So, thumbs up to the fish dish, but thumbs down to the other.
I'm going to try making a Vietnamese fish pot dish I had a while ago. It's this caramelized fish with onions that's really good. Not sure if you've had it, but I think I need to make that.
I require a picture of your dish after cooking it because it seems to be so delicious.
Had an incredibly delicious ?skender kebab yesterday for lunch and some very nice fresh pasta at an Italian restaurant for dinner (went to an Italian so we could have some wine). I'm quite happy to find Turkish is the most popular cuisine in Almaty. Also popular are Chinese, and of course, pizzas and burgers.
Muslim culture so not much booze around, but when I'm in the mood I can sniff it out in a matter of minutes, so don't worry.
Had an incredibly delicious ?skender kebab yesterday for lunch and some very nice fresh pasta at an Italian restaurant for dinner (went to an Italian so we could have some wine). I'm quite happy to find Turkish is the most popular cuisine in Almaty. Also popular are Chinese, and of course, pizzas and burgers.
When I was an engineer, I travelled fairly often. Many of the sites I worked on were in old beat up cities, which tend to have lots of good, inexpensive ethnic restaurants. When I came back to the office, when someone asked me how things went, I'd always tell them about the good food I'd had before I talked about the work.
I had more redeeming qualities as an engineer than I do as a pseudo-philosopher. Actually, that's not true, as an engineer I behaved just like I do here and was equally perspicacious.
For those using it though, I'd be very careful. One might think the AI is good for getting the boring stuff done, like exposition of facts; but doing boring things is good for us.
So, do you think we should all throw away the calculators and go back to long division, and figuring square roots, and things like that, because boring is good?
Last night's ca kho to. Experimental right now. A little too sweet this time, and I used cod which was a bit pricey to learn with. But pretty good nonetheless.
Pre-grocery shopping breakfast was simply two over easy eggs and coffee. Interestingly, @javi2541997, the origin of this particular roast is Japan, which I've never seen before. On further inspection, however, it's simply an homage to Kissaten coffee culture, which uses a distinct blend of different coffees. So the coffee wasn't grown in Japan. Anyway.
Hate the way the rest of the world puts the date before the month.
In the rest of the world, they measure time in the metric system - 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, 10 hours in a day, 10 days in a week, 10 weeks in a month, 10 months in a year. Every 10 years is a leap year - They add an 11th month to the calendar to get everything caught up. People take the whole month off.
In the rest of the world, they measure time in the metric system - 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, 10 hours in a day, 10 days in a week, 10 weeks in a month, 10 months in a year. Every 10 years is a leap year - They add an 11th month to the calendar to get everything caught up. People take the whole month off.
I'm aware of all this. The confusing part is why their decades are 9.4 years and the charecterize everything in scores. Instead of saying 3 years, they say 3/20th of a score or 5 years as a quarter score, and 6.6666666 years as a third score.
Reply to Noble Dust Yummy! :yum: Your breakfast seemed to be tasty. Yes, the origin is from Japan, and it reminds me of anime and manga where most of the characters start the day with that breakfast (despite the fact that coffee is not so implemented in Japanese culture due to the dominance of green tea).
On the other hand. It is interesting how they even take miso soup with breakfast. The only time I ate it was for lunch and dinner. Maybe, I will give it a chance if I wake up motivated enough to cook up some miso soup (I already have the algae, they are sold at Mercadona.)
(I already have the algae, they are sold at Mercadona.)
Of course they are. I've never made miso, but want to, although I don't really love the flavor. It has probiotics in it, however. Yogurt is a common breakfast food in the US, and I think plenty of other places, so in that sense, miso for breakfast does make sense. I eat yogurt for breakfast about 5 days out of the week.
I eat yogurt for breakfast about 5 days out of the week.
I do too. I put nuts in it. Chobani peach is must common, but mixed berries and blueberries sometimes too.
I used to eat Danishes for breakfast, but I would crash before lunch due to my reactive hypoglycemia, which is easily controlled by eating foods lower on the glycemic index.
Yes, it has logic, but I think it is weird to take soup for breakfast in my food culture. Yet, one day I will take it. There are a lot of markets where packets of miso soup are sold. But I want to give it a try and cook it myself.
Reply to javi2541997 You eat soup. even when you drink it, as long as you use a spoon, although maybe not necessarily, and you take medicine, even when you drink it. You take a shower, but you don't get a shower unless someone gives it to you, unless you're from Appalachia, where they talk about getting showers even when they took them themselves.
That is to say, correct is "I eat soup for breakfast."
Let me know if this correction is annoying or helpful. Generally when people correct grammar it's dickish, but you seemed to want to know before.
I went through a period of eating plain yogurt but finally admitted to myself I was being masochistic. Now I’m on an Icelandic Skyr kick, like a true NYC hipster. It’s much less sweet but the fruit flavors are still tasty.
but I think it is weird to take soup for breakfast in my food culture.
I agree, it’s not eaten for breakfast here. There are plenty of other cultures that do, though; menudo in Mexico, congee in China (porridge I guess), and I feel like other Asian countries too.
(I already have the algae, they are sold at Mercadona.)
At first I thought "algae" was an auto-spelling-correction artifact, but after research I discovered that seaweed and algae are related. The market closest to my house has a couple varieties of seaweed. I like Miso soup and would happily take it with any meal.
Mass market green tea (in the US) is inferior to up-market varieties. Tazo™ (mass-market brand) used to make a green tea mix with lemongrass and mint that was tasty. Then they switched to "organic" and the same mix is flavorless.
One can get good green tea, but not from Lipton™ or Tetley™.
Further thoughts on "take": One 'takes' coffee with cream and or sugar; same with tea in England. Red-blooded Americans DO NOT put, take, add, dump, pour, or otherwise mix dairy products into their tea. In Tibet, they take tea with yak ghee. "The smell is like walking inside of a cheese cave, but it's got this particular hint of yak fur smell… sort of like wet dog, but a bit more earthy with undertones of barn." so says VICE. Sounds like limburger cheese.
Reply to javi2541997 TAKE is one of those English words that has found dozens of uses, and they are all correct. By the way, I'm not quite sure how @Noble Dust manages to "feel like" other Asian countries. Sounds pretty strenuous to me. I am now going "to take 5".
take
1 of 2
verb
?t?k
took ?tu?k ; taken ?t?-k?n ; taking
Synonyms of take
transitive verb
1
: to get into one's hands or into one's possession, power, or control: such as
a
: to seize or capture physically
took them as prisoners
b
: to get possession of (fish or game) by killing or capturing
c
(1)
: to move against (an opponent's piece, as in chess) and remove from play
(2)
: to win in a card game
able to take 12 tricks
d
: to acquire by eminent domain
2
: GRASP, GRIP
take the ax by the handle
3
a
: to catch or attack through the effect of a sudden force or influence
taken with a fit of laughing
taken ill
b
: to catch or come upon in a particular situation or action
was taken unawares
c
: to gain the approval or liking of : CAPTIVATE, DELIGHT
was quite taken with her at their first meeting
4
a
: to receive into one's body (as by swallowing, drinking, or inhaling)
take a pill
b
: to put oneself into (sun, air, water, etc.) for pleasure or physical benefit
c
: to partake of : EAT
takes dinner about seven
5
a
: to bring or receive into a relation or connection
takes just four students a year
it's time he took a wife
b
: to copulate with
6
: to transfer into one's own keeping:
a
: APPROPRIATE
someone took my hat
b
: to obtain or secure for use (as by lease, subscription, or purchase)
take a cottage for the summer
I'll take the red one
took an ad in the paper
7
a
: ASSUME
gods often took the likeness of a human being
when the college took its present form
b
(1)
: to enter into or undertake the duties of
take a job
take office
(2)
: to move onto or into : move into position on
the home team took the field
take the witness stand
c
(1)
: to bind oneself by
take the oath of office
(2)
: to make (a decision) especially with finality or authority
d
: to impose upon oneself
take the trouble to do good work
take pains to make her feel welcome
e
(1)
: to adopt as one's own
take a stand on the issue
take an interest
(2)
: to align or ally oneself with
mother took his side
f
: to assume as if rightfully one's own or as if granted
take the credit
g
: to accept the burden or consequences of
took the blame
h
: to have or assume as a proper part of or accompaniment to itself
transitive verbs take an object
8
a
: to secure by winning in competition
took first place
b
: DEFEAT
9
: to pick out : CHOOSE, SELECT
took the best apple
10
: to adopt, choose, or avail oneself of for use: such as
a
: to have recourse to as an instrument for doing something
take a scythe to the weeds
b
: to use as a means of transportation or progression
take the bus
c
: to have recourse to for safety or refuge
take shelter
d
: to go along, into, or through
took a different route
e
(1)
: to proceed to occupy
take a seat in the rear
(2)
: to use up (space, time, etc.)
takes a long time to dry
(3)
: NEED, REQUIRE
takes a size nine shoe
it takes two to start a fight
11
a
: to obtain by deriving from a source : DRAW
takes its title from the name of the hero
b
(1)
: to obtain as the result of a special procedure : ASCERTAIN
take the temperature
take a census
(2)
: to get in or as if in writing
take notes
take an inventory
(3)
: to get by drawing or painting or by photography
take a snapshot
(4)
: to get by transference from one surface to another
take a proof
take fingerprints
12
: to receive or accept whether willingly or reluctantly
take a bribe
will you take this call
take a bet
: such as
a
(1)
: to submit to : ENDURE
take a cut in pay
(2)
: WITHSTAND
it will take a lot of punishment
(3)
: SUFFER
took a direct hit
b
(1)
: to accept as true : BELIEVE
I'll take your word for it
(2)
: FOLLOW
take my advice
(3)
: to accept or regard with the mind in a specified way
took the news hard
you take yourself too seriously
c
: to indulge in and enjoy
was taking his ease on the porch
d
: to receive or accept as a return (as in payment, compensation, or reparation)
we don't take credit cards
e
: to accept in a usually professional relationship —often used with on
agreed to take him on as a client
f
: to refrain from hitting at (a pitched ball)
take a strike
13
a
(1)
: to let in : ADMIT
the boat was taking water fast
(2)
: ACCOMMODATE
the suitcase wouldn't take another thing
b
: to be affected injuriously by (something, such as a disease) : CONTRACT
take cold
also : to be seized by
take a fit
take fright
c
: to absorb or become impregnated with (something, such as dye)
also : to be effectively treated by
a surface that takes a fine polish
14
a
: APPREHEND, UNDERSTAND
how should I take your remark
b
: CONSIDER, SUPPOSE
I take it you're not going
c
: RECKON, ACCEPT
taking a stride at 30 inches
d
: FEEL, EXPERIENCE
take pleasure
take an instant dislike to someone
take offense
15
a
: to lead, carry, or cause to go along to another place
this bus will take you into town
took an umbrella with her
b
: to cause to move to a specified state, condition, or sphere of activity
took the company public
took his team to the finals
c
: to invite and accompany (someone)
She took me to the movies.
He took her on a date.
They took the kids to the movies.
—often + out
He took her out to dinner.
d
: to stop prescribing a specified regimen to —used with off
took him off the medication
16
a
: REMOVE
take eggs from a nest
b
(1)
: to put an end to (life)
(2)
: to remove by death
was taken in his prime
c
: SUBTRACT
take two from four
d
: EXACT
the weather took its toll
17
a
: to undertake and make, do, or perform
take a walk
take aim
take legal action
take a test
take a look
b
: to participate in
take a meeting
18
a
: to deal with
take first things first
b
: to consider or view in a particular relation
taken together, the details were significant
especially : to consider as an example
take style, for instance
c
(1)
: to apply oneself to the study of
take music lessons
take French
(2)
: to study for especially successfully
taking a degree in engineering
took holy orders
19
: to obtain money from especially fraudulently
took me for all I had
20
: to pass or attempt to pass through, along, or over
took the curve too fast
take the stairs two at a time
intransitive verb
1
: to obtain possession: such as
a
: CAPTURE
b
: to receive property under law as one's own
2
: to lay hold : CATCH, HOLD
3
: to establish a take especially by uniting or growing
90 percent of the grafts take
4
a
: to betake oneself : set out : GO
take after a purse snatcher
b
chiefly dialectal —used as an intensifier or redundantly with a following verb
took and swung at the ball
5
a
: to take effect : ACT, OPERATE
hoped the lesson he taught would take
b
: to show the natural or intended effect
dry fuel takes readily
6
: CHARM, CAPTIVATE
a taking smile
7
: DETRACT
8
: to be seized or attacked in a specified way : BECOME
took sick
taker noun
see also TAKE A BACK SEAT, TAKE A BATH, TAKE ACCOUNT OF, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, TAKE AFTER, TAKE A HIKE, TAKE AIM AT, TAKE APART, TAKE A POWDER, TAKE CARE, TAKE CARE OF, TAKE CHARGE, TAKE EFFECT, TAKE EXCEPTION, TAKE FIVE, TAKE FOR, TAKE FOR GRANTED, TAKE FORM, TAKE HEART, TAKE HOLD, TAKE IN VAIN, TAKE ISSUE, TAKE IT ON THE CHIN, TAKE KINDLY TO, TAKE NO PRISONERS, TAKE-NO-PRISONERS, TAKE NOTICE, TAKE ONE'S TIME, TAKE PART, TAKE PLACE, TAKE ROOT, TAKE SHAPE, TAKE SHIP, TAKE THE CAKE, TAKE THE COUNT, TAKE THE FLOOR, TAKE THE MICKEY (OUT OF SOMEONE), TAKE THE PLUNGE, TAKE TO, TAKE TO COURT, TAKE TO TASK, TAKE TO THE CLEANERS, TAKE TURNS
take
2 of 2
noun
1
: a distinct or personal point of view, outlook, or assessment
was asked for her take on recent developments
also : a distinct treatment or variation
a new take on an old style
2
: an act or the action of taking: such as
a
(1)
: the uninterrupted photographing or televising of a scene
(2)
: the making of a sound recording
b
: the action of killing, capturing, or catching something (such as game or fish)
3
: something that is taken:
a
: the amount of money received : PROCEEDS, RECEIPTS, INCOME
b
: SHARE, CUT
wanted a bigger take
c
(1)
: a scene filmed or televised at one time without stopping the camera
(2)
: a sound recording made during a single recording period
especially : a trial recording
d
: the number or quantity (as of animals, fish, or pelts) taken at one time : CATCH, HAUL
e
: a section or installment done as a unit or at one time
4
a
: a local or systemic reaction indicative of successful vaccination (as against smallpox)
b
: a successful union (as of a graft)
5
: a visible response or reaction (as to something unexpected)
a delayed take
Phrases
on the take
: illegally paid for favors
At first I thought "algae" was an auto-spelling-correction artifact, but after research I discovered that seaweed and algae are related. The market closest to my house has a couple varieties of seaweed. I like Miso soup and would happily take it with any meal.
Oh yes! I forgot that the specific word was "seaweed" and not "algae." I still fail at vocabulary, and this was one of the "basic words," or at least they tend to be so. If I use "algae" the context will not be understood.
Miso soup is tasty and awesome, I really enjoy this Japanese dish. Yet, my next challenge is to eat it in the morning, with breakfast.
to get possession of (fish or game) by killing or capturing
This is the sense I tried to use when I wrote: "I take miso soup" for breakfast because I grab the bowl and then, I eat the soup. Maybe this is not a good excuse at all for my grammar error, but my imagination has flown.
This happens in public transport too. When I pick up a train, I say: "I take the train each morning to go to my job," despite the fact that I don't grab it as my possession.
Reply to javi2541997 The algae/seaweed confusion was owing to my vocabulary, not to yours. One of the things about English is that it is a very flexible language and the intended meaning can take through more than one path--and still be correct.
There are very well educated native English speakers and writers who turn out perfectly "correct" English but whatever they intended to say is buried in gobbledygook [slang word]. Gobbledygook, coined by Maury Maverick in the early 1940s, means, in his words, “talk or writing which is long, pompous, vague, involved, usually with Latinized words.” It can also refer to any long discourse, even one with simple words, if those words are repeated repeatedly, over and over again, numbingly.
Your English does not suffer from gobbledygook, unlike some professional writers.
This is the sense I tried to use when I wrote: "I take miso soup" for breakfast because I grab the bowl and then, I eat the soup. Maybe this is not a good excuse at all for my grammar error, but my imagination has flown.
He didn't, and while non-standard, it was quaint. If I heard that in regular conversation, I wouldn't think him non-native, but maybe older with more limited contact with modern usage.
This happens in public transport too. When I pick up a train, I say: "I take the train each morning to go to my job," despite the fact that I don't grab it as my possession.
Your English is spectacularly good and I have to say I make mistakes often and I was born in an English speaking country.
Here in Australia we might say:- "I take the train... I ride the train.. I get the train... I catch the train" - all of these in common usage.
One of the things about English is that it is a very flexible language
Although millions of people like to say that English is uniquely flexible, I suspect it’s bollocks, having no support from linguistics, though I could be wrong. I know you didn’t say uniquely, by the way.
My guess is that every language can equally well express anything required of it, but that there are more or less flexible aspects or dimensions of a language. For example, word order in English is very rigid, whereas in Russian it often matter doesn’t.
(Please, nobody reply with links unless you find some real linguistics)
There was a woman with a genetic disorder that causes the cerebellum to disintegrate. She felt nauseous and wanted support behind her back. She said "Pillow, back."
Reply to Jamal You've got to define flexibility. The hits I got regarding English and flexibility relate to its ability to absorb foreign terms. Your use of flexibility related to word order.
I find English the most understandable of the languages. Most others are gibberish.
For example, word order in English is very rigid, whereas in Russian it often matter doesn’t.
That's because Russian is an inflected language and English, for the most part, is not. Inflected languages depend on word endings (inflections); uninflected languages depend on word order.
My guess is that every language can equally well express anything required of it
Absolutely. But some language-creators have a smaller field of experiences. They lived in isolated geographic areas and the range of actions, objects, and relationships was narrower. This is not a bug -- it's a feature. Anglo-Saxons and their language came out of a small field of experiences. Crossing the English Channel (which couldn't be called that when they crossed it) widened their horizons slightly. Then missionaries from Rome, convicts with the natives, and such like widened their horizons a bit. Being invaded by the Normans and Danes inseminated Anglo-Saxon with still another culture, language, and set of lord/vassal relationships--not to give undue credit to the French. They will give that to themselves. In time the Anglo-Saxons became more sophisticated and eventually conquered 1/4 of the planet's people. This enriched the English and the English language literally, literarily, and figuratively.
Had the Yanomami people of the Amazon forests taken over the early European settlements in SA and gone on to conquer 1/4 of the world, then their culture and language would have been massively augmented.
You've got to define flexibility. The hits I got regarding English and flexibility relate to its ability to absorb foreign terms. Your use of flexibility related to word order.
Your English is spectacularly good and I have to say I make mistakes often and I was born in an English speaking country.
Thank you. I really appreciate your kind words about my English grammar skills. But the job is not done yet, and I want to keep learning and improving my grammar. I am aware that I have a good understanding of English, but if I take the TOEFL exam, I will fail because of grammar... but who knows? When I finished my university, I ended up with a C1 level of English, but there is even an upper step: C2 for those who understand native "fast" without problems.
I wish I have a similar level in Japanese. At least in the listening to Japanese or recognizing Kanji writings! :lol:
I find English the most understandable of the languages. Most others are gibberish.
It is your native language, dude... it is obvious that you find it understandable. On the contrary, I see Spanish as more understandable because of our use of genders and conjugations of verbs. It is about perspective and each individual. Everything is related to English because it is the worldwide language and it has been taught to us since we were kids. So, we are used to using and listening to the language. If you were used to using Spanish every day, you would say that it is an understandable language too and not "gibberish."
And so should we all! Does the TOEFL exam ask specific questions about grammar (like, "What is the difference between a transitive and intransitive verb?" or "In there a gerund and participle in this sentence? 'Do you mind my asking you why you are eating burnt toast for lunch?'"
Truth: I have not thought about gerunds and participles for a long time. I had to look it up.
And so should we all! Does the TOEFL exam ask specific questions about grammar
As much as I remember, the grammar part is about writing an "essay" about the topic established by the exam and very complex phrases where something goes wrong and you have to notice the error.
Since I agreed with the comment you were replying to, I feel I should point out that Hanover was joking. It might take you more than a few years to get used to his sense of humour.
English has the largest vocab but its grammar as you pointed out isn't particularly flexible. And languages work so that they become coextensive with cultural functioning. So the fact that English may be more flexible than the language of some Amazon tribe re, for example, advanced mathematics may be true but not of any significance if they don't require that function in their culture.
Hanover thinks he’s too cool for emojis, so misunderstandings are the result.
OMG! What's the world coming to, if we have to include emojis in our writing or else we'll be misunderstood. Is the emoji the written form of inflection?
Edit: I forgot the ? after misunderstood. Does it still look like a question without that inflection signifier?
In relation to our discussion on English skills, I just had a funny conversation.
My mom: Hey, what was the name of that folk with clothes both red and white?... "Wallet"?
Me: I guess you are referring to Wally from Where's Wally? Children's book.Because wallet means monedero, and Wally is a diminutive of Walter.
My mom: Yes, that damn cartoon book we bought when you were a kid.
Haha funny my mom misunderstood the word wallet with Wally :cool: :eyes:
Give it a try. I bet whatever you can easily understand her.
I understood her better when I read the subtitles. Before I read what she was saying, I did pick up that she was reading a grocery list because her cadence sounded like she was reciting a list and I understood "pan" for bread and the closeness to English of tomato and potato, so I got that, but I really think I treated her like she was speaking very broken English and so I figured it out. Whether that is understanding Spanish or not, I don't know.
Before I read what she was saying, I did pick up that she was reading a grocery list because her cadence sounded like she was reciting a list and I understood "pan" for bread and the closeness to English of tomato and potato, so I got that,
Excellent. As I thought, you are able to understand her, and that is cool. What I try to prove with this experiment is that we can understand each other with some basic effort. Our languages come from Latin, and the syntax is similar. If the language were Japanese or Greek, the understanding would be complex. These languages do not have many similarities to our vocabulary or syntax.
Reply to JamalReply to Hanover Too many eggs/too much color. Proper waffles have at least 3 eggs in a small batch. Hash browns=greasy starch. Feed it to the pigs. No bacon? No sausage? No ham? No butter? No genuine maple syrup? No berries? No coffee? What kind of animal cooked this, anyway?
The presentation leaves much to be desired. Ugly, sickly green plate. Failed Fiesta ware™ design? Sticky greasy mats. Messy plating. Get rid of it. Otherwise it's just perfect.
Hire an actual cook or just eat at the Waffle House all the time.
Looking forward to Donald Trump showing up and being handcuffed, shackled, and mouth duct taped shut. Tasered too--just for a complete experience. He's clearly a flight risk, so no bail. Rikers Island, obviously.
In Georgia, they put the same gravy they put on biscuits and chicken fried, hamburg, or salisbury steaks instead of syrup on their waffles. You make it with a tablespoon of flour, a cup of water, and two tablespoons of lard. For hamburg steaks, you cook it longer till it burns and turns dark brown.
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So, do you think we should all throw away the calculators and go back to long division, and figuring square roots, and things like that, because boring is good?
It's hard to say where the line goes, but subjecting yourself to boredom has a benefit. The benefit from the tedium of performing long division however (during, e.g. huge engineering projects), is greatly overshadowed by the downside of how much time it would take.
The problem with AI is that it is only going to continue taking away more and more boring work. Calculators are a static technology as far as I am aware. To allow AI to stake out a larger and larger role in your intellectual efforts is to start down the slippery slope of eventually relinquishing the motivation to do the any of things that previously kept your mind modestly stimulable and sharp. We are undergoing the destruction of our attention span due to our ever-growing need for high-intensity stimulation, fueled by the applications that prey on it. I fear chatbots will become one of those applications.
Or maybe I am just experiencing the fear of unknown? I am not exactly in the age bracket for experiencing that in regards to society, but I guess anyone is susceptible to it (especially when the changes are this drastic).
The problem with AI is that it is only going to continue taking away more and more boring work.
I have done boring work (for pay) and while I was doing it, I kept thinking "Why are we doing this crap?" Computers really should be a) working out the details of final exam time and room scheduling; b) ordering the next semester's textbooks (not choosing, just the paper for); and the like. That was 25 years ago. Even more so today.
40 years ago (give or take a few) computers and scanners started ringing up groceries and keeping track of inventory. Much better than doing that by hand.
I understand that people need jobs to earn a living (not to find fulfillment, meaning in life, or some highfalutin thing like that), and shifting task to computers takes jobs off the market. There are are many people who need boring manual work and are not going to become "creatives" and "disruptors".
We COULD preserve boring jobs. The trouble with that is that it is uncompetitively inefficient. We could pay people for doing nothing IF jobs they can do have been taken away. We can let people rot if they can't keep up. Capitalists are likely to prefer that last option because it externalizes the problem: X people can't work; they starve; what's the problem?
Good morning. I woke up with an important announcement: tofu is again in its original form, the firm block. It is better than the paste itself, and I can corroborate that.
So, my breakfast: a big slice of whole wheat bread with a piece of tofu and virgin olive oil.
We are undergoing the destruction of our attention span due to our ever-growing need for high-intensity stimulation, fueled by the applications that prey on it. I fear chatbots will become one of those applications.
HAPPILY, there is something you CAN do about it.
a) become mindful of how media sucks us in. This isn't always obvious; it can be a subtle process. But get familiar with it.
b) Sharply reduce television time. You might think that's old school; it is, but in the old school they were sucking in our attention too. A lot of television programs consist of many rapid edits; there's no time to be bored, because any given edit is only a few seconds long. Plus, a lot of television is STILL a vast wasteland of crap,
c) Reduce your exposure to Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube, Tumbler, Reply to javi2541997 and the like. These applications use very effective aggressive methods to keep you looking at the screen longer than you intended, and at stuff you may not have desired to look at. Knowing this is not, in itself, protection. You have to leave this stuff alone most of the day, Read more books. Talk to more people face to face, without either of you double-timing each other by watching your cell screens.
d) Find some hobbies dealing directly with the real, concrete world.
Do these things and your attention span will stretch out, again,
Reply to javi2541997 Drums pounding, trumpets blaring, choirs singing "Gloria in excelsis TOFU". Angels descend bearing large cubes of wobbling bean curd. The people rejoice.
When I want to do that, I decrease the size of the image using zoom out. Then I do a cutout of the smaller image using the snip function (Shift-Windows Button-S on my computer). I save the file and then upload it.
Reply to BC While your and @Jamal's focus on color was unexpected, it was well deserved. Had you not excoriated me, I'd likely repeated myself. Thank you for the tough love.
"Chromium oxide was referred to as viridian when it was first discovered. It earned its name from its chemical composition, which is 55.4% chromium, 42.5% oxygen, and 2.1% hydrogen. The official pigment code of hydrated chromium sesquioxide is Pigment Green 18 (Colour Index 77289)."
It’s hard being viridian. But I have my tablet in permanent dark invert mode. So this morning, it was like “oohh, red banners!” :hearts:
How about a slogan to put beneath the forum name? Hmm... like “Do Philosophy (all night long)” or “Philosophmoric Musings” or “Philosophy, bitchez!” or... :razz:
Does it mean: “I’ve been playing the tabla in Los Angeles while eating cubes of tofu”???
No :smile: it literally means what @BC said previously about tofu: Angels descend bearing large cubes of wobbling bean curd.
Angels: Los ángeles. (I think you have related it to the Californian city)
Descend: descienden.
Bearing large cubes of wobbling bean curd: portando grandes cubos de tofu tambaleante.
Reply to Jamal Viridian, otherwise known as kelly green. Get rid of it. Bright green isn't philosophical. Maybe "Existential Despair Gray"? Just joking. Benjamin Moore Paint does have a color called Existential Gray.
The logo font, a heavy script face, is too informal. Font discussions tend to get tedious fast, and I don't care one way or the other all that much, but simpler, sans serif fonts tend to be less annoying in the long run, even for logos, which appear as objects rather than in the text face. As an object, the current logo uses two fonts from different families – the (bold, blocky, all caps) + philosophy forum (bold, informal script). I don't see any aesthetic value in that. And then the headings that follow are in a third font – all caps, sans serif, bold. The headings are fine. It's the logo that is the problem.
Great. Now we have sleet! Just the thing. Fucking weather.
Reply to jorndoe Given the era, it is a great map! The essential features are in place and sort of proportional. It's a bit surprising that the Greek islands are not represented, aside from Crete and Cyprus (well, there is one other there... not sure which one). And the relationship of the Caspian Sea and India is odd. (But the Black Sea vis a vis the Caspian Sea are roughly well represented.
Woe. I just learned that if you want to add a link, you can just highlight the words you want to turn into a link, and then hit the link button, and the words you highlighted will automatically be in the right box.
[url=http://]Woe. I just learned that if you want to add a link, you can just highlight the words you want to turn into a link, and then hit the link button, and the words you highlighted will automatically be in the right box.
I don't know if that made sense.
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I just turned your post into a link. I've taken the knowledge you've given me and turned it into shit.
Reply to javi2541997
I've been doing the Japanese bath thing where you take a shower first and then soak in a 110 degree tub. I listened to Brian Eno while soaking.
There's a phrase that people sometimes use around here in Massachusetts - "Shit the bed," which is a vulgar way of saying that someone has died. I don't know if it's used anywhere else. When I first saw your message, I thought Fred had died.
There's a phrase that people sometimes use around here in Massachusetts - "Shit the bed," which is a vulgar way of saying that someone has died. I don't know if it's used anywhere else. When I first saw your message, I thought Fred had died.
Why did you confuse the word ate for shit?
In Georgia, we have a term for really smart people. We call them shit for brains. Or, as you might say, ate for brains.
Like Noble Dust, I can’t remember if Fred is your dog or your son.
Fred eats beds, and shit as it turns out. My son eats crows and ham chunks. I eat colorful eggs, but that might be a sarcastic way of saying not colorful eggs.
do. Then I use it to wash my car and I put the drippings in the bird bath.
When I was a child in Vaginikistan, my grandmother would wait in line for days for a single drop of water, which she would place gently beneath her coarse woolen brassiere so that baby Igoroskoskyowich could suckle the dampness off her raw gnarled uni-breast.
On her final water journey, she fell down an embankment and was stomped by the villagers who mistook her for a beaten child. It is custom in those parts to stomp previously beaten children.
The baby died as well. His lips parched and shriveled, like the inside of elderly genitalia as he missed his expected ration.
Maybe you can see now why I suggested you treasure your water, but it doesn't seem like care about anyone but yourself.
Looks good, thought I was tripping for a few seconds - bad sleep.
You may have disclosed your political views though
Where I come from, this shade of green is associated with football (Celtic), religion (Catholic), or ancestry (Irish). I used to live in a public housing estate where the council would come round to paint the front doors, offering blue for Protestants, green for Catholics, and red for anyone else.
I’ve shaken off these associations and now appreciate colours in their purity.
@Hanover
My own grandmother lived on the side of a cliff where every spring it rained so hard that everyone would hold onto tree trunks while the torrents came down and blew their feet out so they were hanging horizontally like little flags flapping in the waves. They would end up swallowing so much water they would be poofed out like jellyfish.
One year they sold my uncle to a museum where he was kept in a tank of water with sea urchins. We would visit him sometimes and my mom would put goldfish crackers in the tank for him.
Meal prepped lunch salads for the week consist of mixed super greens, red cabbage, cherry tomatoes, orange bell pepper, shallot, feta cheese, and canned lentils and white beans, dressed with store bought French vinaigrette. The beans are kind of weird in there, but that's because I didn't have time to cook quinoa.
Breakfast: One samsa meat pie, one apple, and homemade Turkish coffee because the only coffee-making thing in my apartment is a cezve, which I don't know how to pronounce.
Lunch will be homemade chicken soup.
Dinner is not planned but may involve more chicken soup. I'll keep you updated.
I used to live in a public housing estate where the council would come round to paint the front doors, offering blue for Protestants, green for Catholics, and red for anyone else.
My favorite part was the juxtaposition of "public housing" with "estate."
My favorite part was the juxtaposition of "public housing" with "estate."
I think I was just being too British again.
housing estatenoun BRITISH: a group of houses built together in a planned way, sometimes by the local government of an area in order to provide houses for people to rent or buy at a low cost
housing estate noun BRITISH: a group of houses built together in a planned way, sometimes by the local government of an area in order to provide houses for people to rent or buy at a low cost
Yes, but here's what an estate is:
"An extensive area of land in the country, usually with a large house, owned by one person, family, or organization."
Housing estate sounds like a euphemism for the projects.
Reply to Hanover The irony is that I said “public housing estate” to be understood by my international audience, otherwise I’d have said “council estate” or even “scheme”.
Those houses are called in Spain as "VPO": Viviendas de Protección Oficial and their fit in the definition of Jamal. Each flat cannot be bigger than 90 m² and yes, they are destined for people with low income. The prices are limited too. Yet, the contest is open to whatever enterprise and they tend to use their own architecture and building plan. It is funny because that's a very Franco's era thing. Buildings recessed one after the other. In the past they were called "casas baratas", and my grandparents lived in there. The price was just 1 million pesetas.
In the only very partially good old days, at least in France and the UK social housing was the arena for visionary architecture and experimentation in different ways of living. It was utopian and ambitious. Much of the time it didn't work out well, but it does still represent a lost future. Thus in capitalist realism some of us have a paradoxical nostalgia for the future.
In the only very partially good old days, at least in France and the UK social housing was the arena for visionary architecture and experimentation in different ways of living. It was utopian and ambitious. Much of the time it didn't work out well, but it does still represent a lost future. Thus in capitalist realism some of us have a paradoxical nostalgia for the future.
In the US, housing projects were never part of a utopian ideal, but were part of a welfare system designed to provide housing to those who otherwise would be unable to afford it. Because it was seen as an option of last resort, they became synonymous with crime and urban decay. There used to be explansive mutli-storied structures in Atlanta that were eventually torn down, with the option now being more toward smaller structures and Section 8 housing, which are regular homes where the resident can receive a government subsidy to pay rent.
My son lived in town when he attended college in low income housing, although he received no subsidies, and they were beginning to tear the old apartments down as the area gentrified. NPR came by his apartment to interview him and ask him whether he thought they should reserve a certain portion for low income residents like himself, and he explained that he didn't think he'd benefit from those set asides and it would do nothing more than shift the cost to him. They quoted him entirely out of context to fit their narrative and made it look like he was upset homes were being torn down. Then he went back to eating ham chunks and crow.
My spell check quit working on my computer, but it works on my phone. So, when I say things like "explansive," you'll understand. I do like that term though, as it describes when you explain how something has gotten bigger, combining the words explain and expand.
As in, Johnny was being explansive when he told Betty Ann that his arousal was caused by the proximity of her thigh to his zipper.
It's hard to understand how this word has not existed until now.
And, yes, it was easier to write this entire post, go back and bold the misspelled word, and go through all of this rather than just correct it.
It's hard to understand how this word has not existed until now.
Scholars now theorize that Shakespeare invented new words because of spellcheck errors. (They are fringe scholars, or “cutting-edge” theorists perhaps)
It's hard to understand how this word has not existed until now.
One of my favorite words is experimience. Basically experiment with experience.
With so many people gaining experience through experiments I think this should be a valid word as well.
I'm currently creating a new language from scratch. I call it Oneoff. I've taken the dictionary and I've moved the words one down (or one-off, hence the name) and reassigned the new meaning accordingly.
So, to better explain. Let's say the word "car" appears in the dictionary immediately above the word "card," then the word car now means what card used to mean.
The last word in the dictionary (I think is zzzuzzerfucker) would mean A.
So, instead of saying "A car, " you'd say "Zzzuzzerfucker card" in the new language.
The other difference is that the letter P is replaced with a standardized penis picture. This change is to add a little fun to our day.
Thoughts?
Or should I say afterthoughts? No, that's not right. Still learning this new language I guess..
Those two words are intimately related anyway, so they already contain each other’s meanings.
For Christ's sake, the man comes up with a new word all on his own and you shoot it down by saying it's not different enough from the old words. I get holding people to standards, but this is going to stifle all creativity at a time when our stagnant language needs it the most.
A typical boring breakfast of Skyr and strong black coffee, followed by a second breakfast of the dregs of my container of mixed nuts. I love the brand name: Dr. Snack.
I do love a big American breakfast, which might consist of, for instance, eggs, bacon, hash browns, toast, and maybe a "side" of giant pancakes, which is an absurdly and loveably American euphemism. Despite this, in my day-to-day life, the size of my breakfast has shrunk as I've gotten older. These days, a weekend breakfast treat for me is a big, puffy NYC bagel, toasted with cream cheese.
The most important meal of the day is the bowl of Cheerios and milk I eat at 2:00 am before I go to bed.
I wish I can share your experience of enjoying cereals, but Cheerios don't exist in Spain. Our cereals are a mess, and they suck (most of them from France). I have never eaten cereals in the night, maybe the next time!
If you believe in evolution, or even other things, colors could reasonably have powerful psychological effects unbeknownst to those who view them.
The widely accepted theory, the most intelligent man is derived from the a uni-celled organism similar to an amoeba, creates reason to believe the sensory inputs we receive and respond or do not respond to are why we are alive today.
The color red for example. Invokes passion. The color of blood, fire, guts. It makes you pay attention. To say the least.
Purple, similar to blue invokes the mind to think and perhaps trust, some say. It is a very rare color in nature. The only natural thing I can recall would be grapes. Eggplants? Nothing is purple so it invokes the mind.
Green? The color of abundance, growth. Grass, green fields, trees. Perhaps would produce a calming effect. Familiarity.
I know psychology is not philosophy but are the two not cousins, distant if nothing else? It would be interesting to observe any potential changes in emotion, sentiment, or behavior. But I have neither the time nor reason.
I don't think I've had a scone since college. I do, however, occasionally score free croissants from the bagel shop next to my job. I just wish they'd give us more free bagels, which they used to do.
Reply to Noble Dust I had squirrel as a kid also, and thought it was good. "Awesome" didn't apply to squirrels back then. I was introduced to toasted bagels with cream cheese at the last few delis on Blue Hill Avenue in Boston (c. 1968-70). Fried clams at Simco On The Bridge (over the RR tracks) was another great item, and there were the pickled green tomatoes at a deli in Matapan Square. They were more "interesting" than delicious,
As a child, I coaxed a squirrel to eat peanuts out of my hand, It would show up on the back step every noon in the summer when we were on the screened in back porch having dinner. I did this again 20 some years later when I had an apartment with a porch. Only at that place there were several squirrels that showed up frequently for the easy nuts.
BTW, the friendly squirrel wasn't the one that ended up in the pan. That one was hunted out in the woods. Also, the Joy of Cooking has instructions for cooking squirrel (p. 524-525). Sadly, it doesn't make a recommendation for which wine to pair with squirrel stew.
There was a squirrel that would take nuts from our hands when I was a kid. I named him Peanut. One day it bit the power line and died. I changed his name to Sparky.
I wish I can share your experience of enjoying cereals, but Cheerios don't exist in Spain.
I wouldn't over romanticize American breakfast cereal. I like Cheerios and Rice Krispies with milk. Have you ever tried them? As I say, I like them, but they're nothing to get excited about.
Back in the day, I ate scones or cupcakes, but it is limited to rye bread with oil for now on.
If you eat it for breakfast, we call it a muffin. It's really a cupcake, but we don't want people to think we're pigs. Muffins don't generally have icing, but if they did, we'd still call them muffins in the morning.
Yes, Rice Krispies exist here. I tried them and I like the taste. If I correctly remember, the milk turned brown when I put the cereal in the bowl. Are you referring to this, right?
Reply to BC When I was a kid, bagels were a boiled bread product, uncuttable without a special holding device unless toasted and they were very chewy. I suspect they are still that way in New York. The ones available today are much lighter and more like regular bread. I prefer the new ones because when it comes to bagels, I am not a traditionalist, but part of the cutting edge avant garde. I wear a red beret and an olive green trench coat with thosands upon thousands of brass cling clangy buttons on it when I eat my particular brand of bagel, beneath which I wear a green silk body stocking with a large question mark on the chest, reminiscent of the Joker.
I call my trend Nouveau Yehudea, which means newjew.
Reply to Hanover Actually, even with the brief boil, bagels are not hard to make -- at least, that's what the New York Times said. It's the boil that delivers the chewy crust and glossy shine.
If I were Jewish, I don't know whether I'd be a nova'brew or a paleo'brew.
BTW, do you play a jew's harp? I mean, if you had a harp, that's what it would be. The kind you put the back end in your mouth with the business end sticking out, and you twang on the little wire. In difficulty it ranks just below the Triangle.
In fact, many American breakfast cereals are disgusting. Shredded Wheat, Cheerios, Puffed Wheat, Puffed Rice, Kix, Special K, All Bran, etc. have either almost no flavor or, once chewed upon while dry and mixed with saliva, have a decidedly factory-product affect. It's only with milk and sugar that they become palatable. Mostly what they consist of is flour and nutrition supplement.
Don't take me the wrong way -- I readily eat this crap like most Americans. We believehopelike to thinkare deluded that they are nutritious and wholesome. Ready-to-eat breakfast food makes perfectly adequate rat chow, so it probably is nutritious.
Tripotassium phosphate can be used in foods as a buffering agent, emulsifying agent, and for nutrient fortification. It can serve as a sodium-free substitute for trisodium phosphate. The ingredient is most common in dry cereals but is also found in meat, sauces, and cheeses.
It's my understanding the tripotassium phosphate is what gives it that oaty phosphate Cheerios flavor.
Don't take me the wrong way -- I readily eat this crap like most Americans. We believe hope like to think are deluded that they are nutritious and wholesome. Ready-to-eat breakfast food makes perfectly adequate rat chow, so it probably is nutritious.
I've had porridge a few times, mainly for dinner, with a spoonful of honey. I've managed to get through my entire life so far without ever eating any requisite Kelloggs or Uncle Toby's cereal type shit. I saw Corn Flakes at a friend's place when I was a kid and it looked like wood chips floating in a pool of milk.
I've managed to get through my entire life so far without ever eating any requisite Kelloggs or Uncle Toby's cereal type shit. I saw Corn Flakes at a friend's place when I was a kid and it looked like wood chips floating in a pool of milk.
Corn flakes are also good, but you should try Kellogg's Frosted Flakes - corn flakes with a glaze of sugar. Too sweet for me now, but when I was a kid, boy howdy. Or what is that Australian exclamation of pleasure you use sometimes?
Or what is that Australian exclamation of pleasure you use sometimes?
Can't remember. Bonza? I hate sugary things and I haven't had breakfast since the mid-1980's, so I fear it's too late for me. I used to like toasted sandwiches with hot salami and tomato, or scrambled eggs. When I drank booze, I used to have a kind of breakfast at 2pm. A litre of coffee, a bloody Mary, sausages and eggs. The only pleasure I allow myself these days is the litre of coffee... and the occasional knee trembler...
I have had my fun, if I never get well no more .... (Howling Wolf)
Reply to Tom StormReply to T Clark I like oatmeal, Malt-O-Meal, and millet porridge. Malt-O-Meal (cream of wheat but better) is very easy to make. Oatmeal, even the 1 minute kind, needs more time on the boil to become fully digestible. Steel cut oats and millet take 30 - 45 minutes to prepare. Millet is best as a milky pudding. Really, humans should not be required to stand around and boil grains this long after acquiring the use of fire.
It is surprising oatmeal isn't available in cans. Open, scoop, microwave 30 seconds, add cream and sugar. Ditto for millet. They now sell cooked wild rice in cans. Spaghetti and meatballs have been in cams for 60 years. Some people eat Franco-American Spaghetti direct from the can, cold. Gag me with a spoon!
Some days, toast is too much trouble -- never mind pancakes. Did you know toaster pancakes are now a thing?
Reply to BC It seems they do not have the flavour. But their taste is distinctive among others, I guess it is the taste of corn, wheat, oats, etc... when you mixed them up with milk. Yet, there are some cereals that have other ingredients on them such as chocolate, banana, strawberry, etc... these cereals tend to be more "sugary"
On the other hand, I think that we do not have the real American cereals in our markets. This is due to the rigid regulation of food. The same way happens to Coca-Cola. The taste is not the same here, because in Europe it is mandatory to reduce the portions of sugar.
By the way, it is spring break. We have three days of relaxation, April 6th, 7th and 8th. I woke up later than I usually do. I know this is not a Japanese behavior and I feel ashamed of myself and my laziness.
siesta, one of the most evil inventions. I never take it because it makes me feel dizzy after waking up.
Here we call them a nap. I discovered naps about 25 years ago. They are a powerful way to turn one day into two. The dizziness or odd feeling goes if you persist with them. Like any practice, the nap requires cultivation. I can have a two hour nap in the afternoon and do another day's work with new energy and focus.
I disagree. Especially in Spain where the meal times and working hours are so unusual.
I think we are perceiving naps so differently. Here it is taken after lunch, just for a supposed recovery. Our timetable is a mess, as Jamal pointed out, and I am aware that even some compatriot folks eat at 15:30 or even 16:00, which is crazy! You see naps as an act to recover energy and focus. But here it is seen the other way around, and it is the "negative" prejudices in Spanish society. We sleep a lot, while the Germans work hard.
I think we are perceiving naps so differently. Here it is taken after lunch, just for a supposed recovery.
I take mine after lunch for recovery. I was simply commenting on your feeling dizzy reference and how useful naps are. I make no comment about any other cultural constructions which have nothing much to do with the usefulness of napping and what it feels like to wake up after them. :wink:
I take mine after lunch for recovery. I was simply commenting on your feeling dizzy reference and how useful naps are.
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Reply to Tom Storm I see! call me a weirdo but I feel that if I do so, I will regret such an act (taking the nap, I mean). It is the same pitiful feeling I am having this morning. My lazy [s]ass[/s] has woken up later than it is mandatory! a shame for me!
I deserve a punishment. For example: sweeping up the floor of my house, and now I'm going to do so!
I see! call me a weirdo but I feel that if I do so, I will regret such an act (taking the nap, I mean). It is the same pitiful feeling I am having this morning. My lazy ass has woken up later than it is mandatory! a shame for me!
I deserve a punishment. For example: sweeping up the floor of my house, and now I'm going to do so!
Well Marie Kondo has admitted to becoming somewhat lax and even sloppy (!!!) lately after having children, so... you have the blessing of a domestic goddess. :nerd:
Besides the skyr and coffee, today's breakfast consisted of two over-medium eggs. This has been my recent breakfast revelation; as much as I love over-easy eggs, they're best served over something, such as toast or hash browns; something that can soak up the runny yoke. When eaten plain, the yoke is too difficult to manage on the plate. The delectable jamminess of the over-medium yoke is perfect for eggs served alone, especially when you're like me and only eat scrambled eggs on sandwiches.
today's breakfast consisted of two over-medium eggs. This has been my recent breakfast revelation; as much as I love over-easy eggs,
To be honest, eating eggs for breakfast is one of the most practical and intelligent things to do in the morning. Each egg contains: 6 grams of protein, vitamin A, vitamin B12, and vitamin D.
I used to eat scrambled eggs everyday because they were cheap, but I got so sick of them I found them revolting. It took awhile, but I can eat them in scrambled form again, but preferably on a sandwich. Fried eggs are my new thing.
I used to eat scrambled eggs everyday because they were cheap, but I got so sick of them I found them revolting. It took awhile, but I can eat them in scrambled form again, but preferably on a sandwich. Fried eggs are my new thing.
Eggs are the perfect food. Always in the refrigerator. Easy to cook 75 different ways, each of which has a different taste, feel, or both. Hard boiled they make egg salad, which is what God eats for lunch at least once a week. Poached, baked, sunnyside up, over easy, scrambled, omelets, and my favorite - soft boiled.
Quick, easy recipe for soft boiled eggs. Impossible to mess up:
Put eggs in warm water before cooking to help prevent cracking.
1/2 inch of water in the bottom of a pot. Heat to vigorous boil.
Place eggs in pot carefully to avoid cracking.
6.5 minutes gives good semi-runny eggs. Adjust time to suit desired hardness.
Place eggs in water to cool.
When my brother and I went to Europe together, every place we stayed had a great continental breakfast - breads and pastries, sliced meat and cheese, coffee or tea. The only hot food they served was soft boiled eggs. A fond memory. Over there we ate them in egg cups. Generally here I take the shells off and put them all together in a bowl. Butter, salt, pepper, buttered toast. Mmmmmmm.
Eggs are the perfect food. Always in the refrigerator.
If you have farm fresh eggs that haven't had the anti-bacterial coating steamed off, you don't have to refrigerate your eggs. Refrigerated eggs is an American thing.
Poached is actually my favorite preparation, being a fancy boy. Eggs Benedict is my favorite breakfast meal. With hash browns, coffee, and orange juice. I probably already said that at some point. Oh well.
I like poached a lot, but I'm not very good a cooking them. Soft boiled is actually pretty similar in taste and texture. I like eggs Benedict too, but even more eggs Florentine. I love spinach. My mother and my wife both made/make great hollandaise sauce, which is what God eats on everything when he's not having egg salad.
no need to turn fried eggs over at all to achieve requisite jamminess.
I always liked over easy because I'm impatient, but then, about 30% of the time I broke one of the yolks. I've started making them sunnyside up. I guess I've become more patient.
The only indispensable at breakfast is coffee. The rest is just window dressing. If you don't drink coffee religiously every morning regardless of circumstance you are likely anemic, apathetic, anhedonic, aphasic, and generally lacking in character and cultural distinction. Similarly, the only indispensable at tea-time is a cigar. Every gentleman knows such rules, the encroachment of which debars one from polite society.
Reply to Baden It’s 01:19 and I’ve just made myself some Turkish coffee. Perhaps not the behaviour of a gentleman but it does show I’m dedicated to coffee.
Cheers :smile: Wanted to get some good old fashioned family-friendly humour in before Hanover appears on the page and corrupts it with his perversions. l'll consider making such interventions a continual public service.
If you don't drink coffee religiously every morning regardless of circumstance you are likely anemic, apathetic, anhedonic, aphasic, and generally lacking in character and cultural distinction.
Funny you should say that because I don't drink coffee. Ever. This just proves there is an exception to every rule.
Cheers :smile: Wanted to get some good old fashioned family-friendly humour in before Hanover appears on the page and corrupts it with his perversions. l'll consider making such interventions a continual public service.
Funny you should say that because I just slipped in your mother's feces and bruised your father's erection.
Reply to Hanover O right. I'm thinking more grill like what a bar and grill or restaurant uses -- a table-sized flat surface you heat up to stovetop temperatures -- rather than the good kind of grill, where you actually have a fire of some kind.
I use a cast iron skillet for basically everything so in this case, I use it as a grill in the first sense.
Reply to Moliere Griddle, yeah. That's what I use. Got a full sized propane one on the back deck. They're all the rage these days. I use it for everything.
Reply to Hanover Once upon a time I worked in a kitchen. They really are amazing. Thems was an electric one with 4 sections like a stovetop without barriers between the heating elements.
Now I just use the cast iron, like a noob. :D -- but to be fair, I'm not really into cooking anymore so for most anything it really is an all-purpose pan.
Supposedly if you put the taiters in a cheese cloth and squeeze out the moisture you can hash them just fine. I like hash as a verb. I’m going to come up with some other uses.
Supposedly if you put the taiters in a cheese cloth and squeeze out the moisture you can hash them just fine.
I’ve done it and it works. However, as I’m not the kind of person who always has cheese cloth just lying around (hate those people) I use my palms and fingers, i.e., hands, and it works out also well.
Kitchens are such great places to make healthy and wholesome meals. I love to flail my arms and hands, i.e. limbs, around and create tasty concoctions.
It's one of my favorite books. Magical realism. The protagonist and the reader are never quite sure what is happening, whether things are real or an illusion intentionally orchestrated by residents of the Greek island where it takes place. A bit Midsummer Night's Dreamish. A long book with lots going on. Philosophical, I guess, if you want it to be, but also just fun.
One of the books I've read twice, but it's been more than 20 years. I should probably read it again. It's one of my daughter's favorite books too.
If you are being subjected to a dental cleaning, is the plague of plaque.
A new curse: "Thick plaque on all your teeth! Especially if it requires deep cleaning where the masked S&M practitioner scrapes the roots of your teeth, one by one, again and again."
A new curse: "Thick plaque on all your teeth! Especially if it requires deep cleaning where the masked S&M practitioner scrapes the roots of your teeth, one by one, again and again."
Just remember - Crest has been shown to be an effective decay-preventative dentifrice that can be of significant value when used in a conscientiously applied program of oral hygiene and regular professional care.
The problem I have with books is that the story is over before you read it by virtue of it already having been written, regardless of when you experience its words.
Reading is a voluntary submission into hard determinism, and for that I say it can fuck right off.
Propaganda on the US part? (State-sponsored?) A justified or genuine concern? ... Well, what do you think?
Someone I know in the industry confirms that Huawei hardware remains good quality for the price; that part is fine at least, but isn't so relevant for the topic of the article. As an aside, Huawei being Chinese makes China capitalist in part (state-backed); old observation I guess.
The problem I have with books is that the story is over before you read it by virtue of it already having been written, regardless of when you experience its words.
Try Finnegans Wake. Eternal return of the shame. Is it possible to print the book properly, so that there's always a next page ? I think Sonic Youth made a record once that got caught in a loop at the end, on The Diamond Sea ?
Reply to plaque flag Plaque also infests the tongue. One can scrape it off with... something metallic with a dull edge. Despite doing that every day, every time I get my teeth cleaned at the School of Dentistry, the supervisor inspects my tongue and announces: "coated tongue" -- like she had just noticed dog shit on my shoe. I asked her if anybody DID NOT have a coated tongue, and she said "No–everybody does." Then why sound like you just discovered evidence of highly defective hygiene?
Jesus Christ, I didn’t even know it was Good Friday.
Speaking of Whom... You live in Europe so perhaps there were no utility-grade-chocolate rabbits and marshmallow Peeps to indicate that a major religious event in the Christian year was about to happen. Probably no matzo meal promotion either to remind you of Passover,
There was a beautiful big yellow full moon rising over the world Thursday night.
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That it also infests the tongue is even better for my trope. The flag is a coated tongue ! I enjoyed the anecdote. Funny thing, her wanting to mention that like taking a tiny little pleasure in her position...
You live in Europe so perhaps there were no utility-grade-chocolate rabbits and marshmallow Peeps to indicate that a major religious event in the Christian year was about to happen. Probably no matzo meal promotion either to remind you of Passover,
There was a beautiful big yellow full moon rising over the world Thursday night.
Currently in Central Asia, or Inner Asia as it used to be called. No chocolate rabbits but we had the moon here too.
Passover and Easter are both 'moveable feasts' scheduled ib the basis of the sun and the moon's motion. They periodically coincide. Ramadan is also a moveable feast. it seems to move around a lot.
Reply to javi2541997 32nd Street in the Longfellow neighborhood where I live is lined with blossoming crab apple trees. They are pink and white--not as exquisite as your cherry blossoms. Because of Minnesota's erratic weather, the blossoms quite often don't last 15 minutes. In a good year, they blossom and last, then the street is covered with white and pink petals for a couple of days. Also lovely. It's still too early for the blossoms here. Early May.
Dirty old snow and ice is the more typical scene in Minnesota this year.
32nd Street in the Longfellow neighborhood where I live is lined with blossoming crab apple trees. They are pink and white--not as exquisite as your cherry blossoms. Because of Minnesota's erratic weather, the blossoms quite often don't last 15 minutes. In a good year, they blossom and last, then the street is covered with white and pink petals for a couple of days. Also lovely. It's still too early for the blossoms here. Early May.
Seems quite late for blossom but then I know nothing about crab apple trees or the delightful Longfellow district.
In the garden in Spain the almonds blossom in January, and some trees are blossoming here in Almaty as I write. Apples? Cherries? We’ll never know.
They are pink and white--not as exquisite as your cherry blossoms. Because of Minnesota's erratic weather
Do not worry! The important aspect of this ceremony is the connection of the soul with nature. We have cherry trees in Madrid too. They are white and pink (as are yours).
It is so pretty when the leaves of the cherry tree start to drop... seems like I am in a Japanese painting of the Middle Ages
The cure for that is coffee and a cigar. Burn it off with the tip of your cigar, then sip your coffee to show you just don't care. As well as impressing the ladies with your bravery and nonchalance, you are left with an unusually clean tongue with which to serenade them. Many a beautiful woman have I seduced with such tactics. (Until I ran out of tongue from cigar burn erosion. Was worth it though.)
Read your Bible. Jesus rose the day the Jews fled Egypt and was there to walk them across the sea because he could walk on water. Then he washed all their feet, using that same water.
Then came the rabbits. All the rabbits. So many rabbits. Eggs too. Colorful ones. A desert filled with candy eggs. A desert of desserts. The word similalirity is because of that. Many languages were spoken, but English was the understandable one.
The Jews only got matzoh though. Baked cardboard. Always getting screwed.
One of today's eggs was perfectly jammy, while the other was in a transitional state between jammy and fully ossified. I would describe it's runniness as sloth-like.
One important discussion point with eggs is cracked pepper. How much? Which color? I'm a freshly ground cracked black pepper enthusiast. I once had a roommate who was a trained chef who told me "there's no such thing as too much black pepper". I've taken that to heart and tend to agree with him. Then again, he was an unhinged pothead, weed dealer, conspiracy theorist, and new age spiritualist. And in actuality, he was an Ayurvedic chef. Our other roommate was a cripplingly shy 20 year old Russian student studying music. Unhinged Ayurvedic Roommate was convinced the kid was a Russian spy. He had no compelling evidence. I don't know why I felt compelled to tell this story. It all began with pepper...
Maybe, maybe not. It's potentially an untestable hypothesis. If we expend 100% of the known resources of black pepper and it still is not enough, the possibility exists that one more turn of the pepper grinder would have been too much, but we can't know because there's none left to test. Of course should we form a mountain of pepper on our pasta and think that it's too much, we can know that his theory is false.
My guess here is that one can reach the too much stage of pepper rather quickly and that this whole discussion is a waste of time. That's just a wild guess of course.
I like to use my grater to make lemon zest and put it in pastries, giving an extra lemony taste to all my baked goods. I've often thought, along the same lines as your former paranoid schizophrenic roommate, that you can't have too much lemon. I've not uttered those thoughts, as I realize someone might come back at me with the same well reasoned thoughts as I've noted above.
I’ve made a dish that goes by the name of chicken with forty cloves of garlic. It wasn’t too garlicky. I do like a lorry-load of garlic in my meals though.
I made fingertip beef pie. It's like typical beef pie, but you sliice just the perfect amount of finger tip and you put it in the pie. It tastes like typical beef pie as well, it just hurts like a mother fucker.
I ate two kinds of horse today. They eat it here like Westerners eat ham.
When I say two kinds of horse I mean kinds of horse meat product. One could be called horse jerky, and the other, inspired by “turkey ham”, could be called smoked horse ham.
This was actually self-deprecatory humor, evidence of my deep humilty. That you thought it was an attempt to garner sympathy and then project your dysfunctional personality on me speaks to the deep seated issues you have. That I now learn you eat horses of various types (from the dandy Tennessee Walkers to the forminable Clydsdale) comes as no surprise based upon what else I've learned today.
[quote=wxii12, Overlap of Easter, Passover and Ramadan sparks conversation;https://www.wxii12.com/article/overlap-of-easter-passover-and-ramadan-sparks-conversation-and-dialogue-about-other-religions/43533669#]From communion to matzah to a period of fasting, people all across the world are learning about different religions and cultures this week, with the culmination of Holy Week for Christians, Ramadan for Muslims, and Passover for Jews.
While it's actually quite common for Easter and Passover to overlap, it's been a few years since all three religions have had holidays at the same time.[/quote]
A bit of a non-story really, but I’m glad to be part of these worldwide learnings.
It's simple; I eat black pepper by the ladle-full. Thus I can never have enough and am never satiated. I bet you don't eat lemons by the bucket-full. Check mate, atheists.
I just did my taxes to the tune of Brian Eno's Thursday Afternoon (it's Friday; close enough). The government is sending me money, so all is well in the world.
When I say two kinds of horse I mean kinds of horse meat product. One could be called horse jerky, and the other, inspired by “turkey ham”, could be called smoked horse ham.
Makes sense. As I think I've noted before, Kazakhstan is where modern horses came from.
You’re so humble you can’t even spell humility [edit: or formidable].
If you'd just tell me how to get the spell check feature working, I wouldn't have some many embarrassing misspellings. I have relied upon spell-check so long, I can no longer live my life without it.
It's simple; I eat black pepper by the ladle-full. Thus I can never have enough and am never satiated. I bet you don't eat lemons by the bucket-full. Check mate, atheists.
For Easter dinner, I'm frying up a truckload of lemon-pepper chicken wings. Come on by. Everyone will leave happy.
My favorite part: "But medical staff remain mystified as to how the tooth came to be jammed in the 47-year-old's ear canal in the first place. Especially as he had all his teeth taken out some time ago."
Yeah, I could understand if he had been chewing on his own earhole and a tooth fell out and got stuck in there but if he had no teeth that would have been impossible. So >> mystery.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. The forum needs to be reminded on a regular basis of the horror Hanover has let loose
That’s an interesting point TC, but back then I asked @Hanover in a robust but minimally polite manner never to do it again, and I think my stern tone made him quake in his boots. What I’m saying is that I trust our good Hanover never to visually assault us again.
That’s an interesting point TC, but back then I asked Hanover in a robust but minimally polite manner never to do it again, and I think my stern tone made him quake in his boots. What I’m saying is that I trust our good Hanover never to visually assault us again.
Your trust in @Hanover's behavior is endearing if perhaps... optimistic. If my references to his past shenanigans really bothers you, I'll stop.
If you don't drink coffee religiously every morning regardless of circumstance you are likely anemic, apathetic, anhedonic, aphasic, and generally lacking in character and cultural distinction.
Reply to T Clark Well, I did know that Central Asian nomads were among the first to structure their lives around the annual migration of the banana between the Altai mountains and the Kazakh steppe.
Well, there's the festival in honour of Eostre, from whom we get both Easter and estrogen. She is into hares and eggs, fertility stuff. Some cultural appropriation has taken place.
That’s an interesting point TC, but back then I asked Hanover in a robust but minimally polite manner never to do it again, and I think my stern tone made him quake in his boots. What I’m saying is that I trust our good Hanover never to visually assault us again.
To be honest, which is the most common preface for less than honest posts, I do know that what is everyday behavior for me can be much for others, so I occasionally listen when asked to behave.
It would be easier if I had an internal compass, but lackaday I always say.
Reply to Baden I haven't tried coffee and cigars together. In my naive youth coffee and cigarettes seemed like a pleasant combination. I still like the distant scent of cigar smoke, but cigar smokers are becoming a rarity. Alas, all sorts of former pleasures have become rarities.
Alas, all sorts of former pleasures have become rarities.
Ah yes, like real cocaine in coca-cola. They just don't make things like they used to.
Coffee and cigarettes is indeed a magical combination, but only a rare treat for me as I'm a light smoker. Back when I worked a stressful job that sometimes required early mornings, it was more regular.
And how about pipe smokers? Not many left. When the few left in Florida pass on, pipe smokers will be completely extinct in North America. The dog in your avatar looks like a pipe smoker. (You see now kids, people used to smoke a pipe with tobacco in it instead of crack. Fascinating, huh?)
A new word, for me at least. I'm more partial to "alas" but I will keep "lackaday" on the bench for when I want to be a bit more historical or, as in your case, playful. Thank you.
Or like real sugar in Coke. I've been told you can really tell the difference but I've never compared with the corn syrup we get now. They use it in Coke that's from Mexico or kosher for Passover. I should look in stores now.
Reply to T Clark lackaday leads to lackadaisical: lacking enthusiasm and determination; carelessly lazy.
"taking a lackadaisical approach can jeopardize the success of a project"
In the mid 18th century, it meant "feebly sentimental".
"lackadaisical" is perhaps more common than lackaday.
I said a long time ago I'd start using lackaday. I'm just now making good on it.
It comes from my care free beatnik days. I got it from a Jack Kerouac line in On the Road where he said, "Oh well, lackadaddy, I was on the road again."
I looked up lackadaddy, and it wasn't a word, but it seemed to be a corruption of lackaday. So there you go daddy-0s.
And that was my creation. Daddy Zeros, not daddy Ohs. Subtle, but stinging.
She was a pipe smoker, actually. The kind she really liked, the pure Virginia varieties, were kind of expensive. We tried to get her to switch to something cheaper, but she refused. She didn't like cheap dog food either. Of course, we had to hold a match for her to light the pipe, but once she got it going, she held it in her teeth like a pro. She learned how to bark without dropping it.
It was very sad when she finally died of old age, but we were relieved of the cost of her habit, plus we didn't have to vacuum up dog air and pipe ashes every day. Smoking gave her exceptionally bad breath.
I know "lackadaisical" but I'd never heard "lackaday."
You probably haven't heard "welladay", either. It was last popular in the early 18th century. It was a lament -- woe or alas. I have come across the word -- certainly not in conversation. Some 18th century novel probably.
Did you guys ever notice how funny linguists are? I mean, evolutionary speaking, humans are great apes right? So here you have a great ape, explaining the intricacies of it's own language, explaining what phonemes are, while wearing a suit and being all civilized. It's just an absurd image once you see it. :rofl:
Reply to BC
The cigar in its finest form centres on taste, whereas the cigarette is a vulgarity that feeds only appetite. The distinction between taste and appetite and the means and modes of their proper exercise form one element of the greater art of gentlemanship, which is sadly faded from the general conscience. Not that we are entirely lacking in exemplars yet--there may be found even here amidst the coarse furrows of the internet paradigms of the craft...
Skirting the irony of your tone in order to illume the nugget it obscures, allow me to observe that there is something to be said for apemanship in its more refined deployment. I have had the pleasure of liaising with many a first-rate simian on my multifarious wanderings and not one, I can tell you, would stoop to drawing on a Harry rag.
I thank you for bringing that to my attention. I am gratified that I had the honour of beginning this new adventure in Shoutbox paginatoriousness with my lucubrations on the superior qualities of @BC's hound.
I am gratified that I had the honour of beginning this new adventure in Shoutbox paginatoriousness with my lucubrations on the superior qualities of BC's hound.
I will not leave this new phase of The Shoutbox; that is for granted. Ready to reach 3,000 pages? :cool:
Now that we're at the 1500th page, I think us old timers should take a moment and look back and share some of our fondest memories of days gone by.
I'll get started.
The Forum didn't used to be green. The prior color has been lost to time, as no records or even faint memories exist. Many believe it used to be beige, like the walls of my home, but that's just so much guessing.
Some believe it was changed to mark the changing if the season, others because doors were green in some shtty country of some sort at some point, and others are too simple to even wonder.
I think I'll have a yogurt with nuts for breakfast. Tea, not coffee. Had sushi last night, and while well done, a bit hungry this morning
If everything in the universe was green, you wouldn't notice that the banner is green because you wouldn't have any idea of greenness for lack of anything to compare it to.
So in a sense, the banner implies the whole rest of the universe, which is the background from which it arises to play with your mind
everything in the universe was green, you wouldn't notice that the banner is green because you wouldn't have any idea of greenness for lack of anything to compare it to.
If the entire universe were comprised of matter could we not know it for lack of something to compare it to?
My visual short term memory is almost non existent. I'll walk by a block in the city that I walk past semi-regularly and see that they tore a building down, and then rack my brain for what was there.
Similarly, I remember that the forum was purple before this, but I will probably forget that just as I forgot what color it was before purple, despite being initially revolted by the change. That's the other thing; I like when I change my own surroundings but not when others do. Now you know so much more about me.
My visual short term memory is almost non existent. I'll walk by a block in the city that I walk past semi-regularly and see that they tore a building down, and then rack my brain for what was there.
I am aware of that neurological condition. The good news is that you will die within the week and not have to deal with it much longer. The other good news is you won't remember this diagnosis. The bad news is the horrible pain.
It is fascinating to peel back each layer of the onion that is you. I used to think you were just a word generator on my phone. Now I learn your life occurs in the vicinity of things you call buildings. I feel like I've been pulled into a Schmlosvsky novel, a non-existent author who knows of "buildings" and their appearance and disappearance.
It's weird to me that Americans pronounce "fillet" like the French do, instead of "fill it" like we say.
American is a much more flexible language than Englandish.
Now I've got a hankering for a Mickey D"s filet of fish, but my wife tells tales of her lifelong hatred of McDonalds where her sister always made her go, and so she'd sit in the car in hungry protest, so she'll never agree to go now.
Oh well, I at least satisfied my hankering to say hankering.
lot of memories came to my mind for a second: haggis.
I never had haggis:
"In 1971 it became illegal to import haggis into the US from the UK due to a ban on food containing sheep lung, which constitutes 10–15% of the traditional recipe.[28] The ban encompasses all lungs, as fluids such as stomach acid and phlegm may enter the lung during slaughter."
Reply to Hanover The International Phonetic Alphabet exists for a reason. You can’t demonstrate pronunciation using vowels that you pronounce differently from me. You say “back” differently from me, for exaahmple.
She was a pipe smoker, actually. The kind she really liked, the pure Virginia varieties, were kind of expensive. We tried to get her to switch to something cheaper, but she refused. She didn't like cheap dog food either. Of course, we had to hold a match for her to light the pipe, but once she got it going, she held it in her teeth like a pro. She learned how to bark without dropping it.
Hahaha! I’m beginning to wonder if all this is actually true... She didn’t happen to play poker with other dogs, did she? That would prove it all to me without a doubt! :blush:
''Filet'' indeed; it is a curious American trait to achieve such a superficial pretentiousness to class while in substance to maintain such an absolute commitment to mediocrity.
I suspect German regulatory influences, but I'm guessing. We require all milk be pasteurized as well, which eliminates certain cheese. We tend to be oddly strict in food and medicine regulations, often hearing of European medications not FDA approved here.
It's hard to have all the answers demanded in the Shoutbox.
To be perfectly honest, the proper approach to the enunciation of words of the Anuran tongue has always been a vexed subject for the gentleman. One does not want to be unpatriotic by yielding to its anti-anglophonic eccentricities, yet one also wishes to avoid excessive nationalistic hubris in reforming them.
Filet'' indeed; it is a curious American trait to achieve such a superficial pretentiousness to class while in substance to maintain such an absolute commitment to mediocrity.
We leave words unchanged from their original pronunciations out of cultural respect and for a protection of diversity.
That is especially true for our French friends, who we think a true treasure.
I suspect German regulatory influences, but I'm guessing.
I agree with your statement. A few years ago, there was a health report on cucumbers. German folks rapidly blamed us for such a problem. The issue ended up being their problem, but the damage was already done. You cannot imagine how dangerous it is to accuse a country of a lack of food safety when such a nation depends a lot on agriculture, like ours. I remember getting mad when I saw the images on TV where our farmers were destroying tons of cucumbers...
To be honest, if one of the main arguments of Brexit was leaving from the centralism of Germany, I completely respect it. Those folks rule European markets in the shadows...
Jamal has changed his profile picture for the first time in 7 years and I don't know how to feel
But it’s another member of the starling family, in roughly the same stance, facing the same direction, and just like the previous image it’s on a white background. When it comes to profile pics I’m a conservative: if there has to be change it should be incremental.
It’s a myna bird, in honour of the myna bird, the local starling where I am right now. Until I came here I had only seen them kept as pets for their talking ability.
Reply to Noble Dust I see you’ve changed yours too. The change is less remarkable than mine because you do it more often than I do, but I’m remarking on it anyway. I like that film and it’s probably no coincidence that you recently read a book by the authors of Roadside Picnic.
Ok fair enough.So it was a personal decision not taken by all mods.You had an urge to see some change here.And green is your favourite colour then i suppose.I got my answer then.
Yes, I love Stalker. Hard to put into words. Mirror is also up there for me with Tarkovsky.
I love his films because they give you space to just think and look. The long takes, the slowness: it feels to me that he respects the viewer as a real human being. So often I feel manipulated by films, and I just find that utterly boring, or else I resent it.
Do you know how many varieties of green there are? They’re so diverse that some of them aren’t even green.
Fun fact: for Russians, dark blue and light blue are distinct colours, as different as red and orange, or even red and yellow. There is no all-encompassing word for blue.
Reply to Jamal Given the remote horse eating wasteland you are in, it's surprising that there was anyone from Bologna available to be cooked, willingly or not.
The Anglo-Saxons borrowed the Norman French "bleu". Not sure what word they used to describe the sky on a clear day before the borrowing. Maybe they just didn't want to talk about it.
To be more tedious "The modern English word blue comes from Middle English bleu or blewe, from the Old French bleu, a word of Germanic origin, related to the Old High German word blao (meaning 'shimmering, lustrous'). In heraldry, the word azure is used for blue. So who did the Germans steal it from?
Wikipedia has an even more tedious article about blue bleu blew bloo.
Here's a picture Wiki used as an example of blue. @Hanover might get off on it.
Here's a picture Wiki used as an example of blue. Hanover might get off on it.
I think every man loves a woman in uniform, especially one with those hot mini-ties. I'm like, is she a cop, is she a professional, or is she just plain sassy?
Fun fact: for Russians, dark blue and light blue are distinct colours, as different as red and orange, or even red and yellow. There is no all-encompassing word for blue.
I call this brother pie because my brother just made it.
This is where you guys tell me how much better his cooking looks than mine. Then you say, "no, really," and then you insist you're not joking, and you don't back down.
Let's go ahead and dispense with that so we can move to other things, like fantasy Eastern European law enforcement officers.
HEADLINE: Outsiders Solve Problems. Just Ask Goats.
B) NYT ENVIRONMENT
HEADLINE: Government scientists have spent a year analyzing electric vehicles to help the E.P.A. design new tailpipe rules to trigger an electric car revolution.
Why are they testing the tailpipe emissions on an electric car? What emissions?
Reply to BC I didn't fully understand how the goats were part of that story, but nevermind that.
To your questions, I fear this will be a bit embarrassing for you, but you asked.
As with all things, they must reproduce else they cease to exist in future generations. I think what you are seeing isn't as much an exhaust, but an intake. Mechanics call them replicators, but in the vernacular, they are called fuck holes.
This is how new cars come to be. It's not about storks and such, but it's when middle aged men fall in love with their cars and need a way to show it.
I consider it my duty to inform you that it is not within the realm of gentlemanly conduct to engage in coital relations with one's automobile. In fact, it's one of the first taboos mentioned in the original "Gentleman's Almanac" of 1844, before, you will note, such vehicles even existed--which speaks to the urgency of such counsel. Now, I will admit to being periodically tempted myself in such matters by my 1969 Morris Minor (a vintage year indeed!), but when the devil made domicile on my shoulder I immediately drowned us both in a cold bath and staved off the misadventure. I can only suggest you do the same.
Fun fact: for Russians, dark blue and light blue are distinct colours, as different as red and orange, or even red and yellow. There is no all-encompassing word for blue.
We do that with pink and red. It's different shades of the same color.
Originally, boys were dressed in pink and girls in blue. Somewhere along the way it switched.
If completed discreetly, in a private place and for good reason--such as said motor is in dire need of a "service", I should think it may be at least acceptable. I would not make a habit of it though--vehicular emissions of the type such an indulgence might expose you to are unlikely to be conducive to good health. So, for the most part, I suggest you stick to the cigars, old chap.
I would like to formally protest. I, the [s]universally[/s] sometimes respected; [s]often[/s] very rarely admired; and [s]sometimes[/s] never venerated have been reduced to a non-sequitur. Hey, who's been editing my post without my permission. Hey!! HEY!
I have never had a dry and tasteless hot cross bun. If you are correct, I must have somehow managed throughout my life only to eat extraordinary ones. That’s a remarkable run of luck.
Mix coffee and cold water in a small pot and boil. What could be simpler? I somehow imagined that Turkish coffee was an elaborate process involving lots of special equipment.
There are some nuances and details, don’t get me wrong, but the nutshell process is pure and simple.
Reply to T Clark Ok I confess: I myself have had only four or five in my life, all made by family members. Aside from that, British tea shop and cake-bun culture is not my thing. There’s something about the sight of a doily that makes me shiver with dread.
You're not a bread guy. I'm a bread guy, and I can tell you, bread awakens the senses, floods the palate with flavorful sensation, and ushers in aromatic harmony when it is broken even between bitter adversaries.
Matzo. The shit just crumbles in your lap and chokes you.
Turns out that horse meat is not kosher, but it is technically halal, though some Islamic scholars regard it as makruh, meaning frowned upon but not forbidden.
I know it was boring, over-serious and pointless to clarify that, but being a fooder I couldn’t help myself.
Bread, pasta, matzo, saltines, pancakes, Ritz Crackers, popovers, pie crust, cookies, cakes.... Add a little flour to water and a few other ingredients (or not). Bake it, then put on butter, jelly, syrup, icing, filling, cheese, salmon & sour cream dip, tomato sauce, or nothing. The most satisfying food in the world. Maybe I should include beer.
Reply to T Clark I’ll go along with that. Yesterday for lunch I had just bread and wine and it was a great combination. The Christian symbolism was entirely coincidental and unnoticed at the time.
Matzo pants for the trendy Jew - S M L XL and ... just get a tent.
Little know fact, Matzo Man was the original version of Macho Man.
Every man wants to be a matzo, matzo man
To have the kind of body always in demand
Jogging in the mornings, go man go
Work outs in the health spa, muscles glow
You can best believe that he's a matzo man
Ready to get down with, anyone he can
Nacho Man was another try -- too messy, Cheese powder all over everything.
Reply to javi2541997 There are many pictures of lavender growing in rows in France and Spain. I don't get much from lavender as a scent or flavor. It is certainly beautiful. In central North America Flax and Sunflowers produce fields of color. Corn and soybeans are green; that's about it.
Flax in blossom (flax is made into linen cloth and flaxseed oil). I have never actually seen this
Fields of sunflower are attractive:
Here's another crop blossom -- buckwheat from which come soba noodles. Buckwheat is a relative of rhubarb. The seeds of buckwheat and rhubarb are shaped very similarly. I love rhubarb pie. North Dakota, Minnesota, and New York are the main buckwheat growing states.
None of these are as good as the rows of lavender, however.
one of my favorite flowers, indeed. There are fields of sunflowers in Galicia (northwest of Spain). I remember that when I was a kid, we tried to cultivate sunflowers in our plot. It was effective, and some of them flourished, but not as much as most of the Google picture shows.
On the other hand, we like to eat sunflower seeds. Their taste is good but kind of salty. I usually eat them in the afternoon. Pumpkin seeds are sweeter, and more tasty than sunflower seeds.
Beautiful! But I prefer this one from Castilla (Brihuega):
Spring force. Lavender time.
Beautiful field! It must smell delightful and relaxing. Feel sorry for the lone guy in the photo who has to harvest the whole crop by himself. Of course, his “friends” will all show up for the feast after the work is done. Lavender cookies and lavender stew, yum!
This time I decided to leave it in the fridge. Mixing Andalusian oil with tofu could be a crime.
Maybe... but who would arrest you? Probably a haughty French chef claiming he has solved “ze crime of ze century!” He’s holding a meat cleaver though, so it’s better not to anger him with any relevant facts. :joke:
The Ministry of Truth of Spain and the CIA. They have all our data. It is impossible to escape from them, and they are always watching what we are doing or saying, camouflaged in the shadows... :eyes:
Reply to Jamal How is the fermented camel milk? Is it alcoholic? Do they distill it to make a milk brandy? Does it curdle? Do you remove the curds before chugging it down?
I'm just curious in the event I find myself in Mongolia or wherever it is you are.
Reply to Hanover That was the thing I was most curious about but they didn’t give me any in the end. It was finished or they forgot, I don’t know. Needless to say, I remonstrated at length and told them I’d never eat there again before beating up the manager with the closest thing to hand, which was a horse’s penis.
Apparently it’s fizzy and is probably very slightly alcoholic. I’ve heard that the similar local drink called kumis, which is fermented mare’s milk, can get up to about 2% alcohol.
I like ayran and kefir, the latter of which is based on fermented milk. Tonight’s shubat would have represented my progress to Advanced Dairy stage, but it didn’t happen.
For the past few years I've been collecting unfamiliar and previously unseen words from science fiction, history, and sociology authors. Most of these violate Strunk & White's advice to "avoid reaching for the rare and unfamiliar word when a common word will do". @javi2541997, some authors' predilection to use the obscure word (when recounting the brave astronaut's landing on Pluto, for instance) is either annoying or delightful, depending. Reading digital books makes it very easy to look up words. If I had to put the book down, pick up a heavy dictionary, and look up each weird word, well, I wouldn't do it--too slow and cumbersome in our high speed tear-away culture.
A few examples:
etiolated - having lost vigor or substance
flocculent - having or resembling tufts of wool
floccinaucinihilipilification - the action or habit of estimating something as worthless RARE - hey, no shit
persiflage - light and slightly contemptuous mockery or banter (the lifeblood of the Shoutbox)
subvention - a grant of money, especially from a government
forwent - past tense of forgo
bricolage - construction or creation from a diverse range of available things
percipience - good understanding of things; perceptiveness.
chicane - an artificial narrowing or turn on a road or auto-racing course
instauration - the action of restoring or renewing something
asseverating - declare or state solemnly or emphatically
altacocker - Yiddish word for old fart
quango- chiefly derogatory - a semipublic administrative body outside the civil service but receiving financial support from the government, which makes senior appointments to it
bruit - spread a report or rumor widely
"The Second Edition of the 20-volume Oxford English Dictionary contains full entries for 171,476 words in current use (and 47,156 obsolete words). Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged, together with its 1993 Addenda Section, includes some 470,000 entries."
Is an "entry" the same as a "unique word" when counting? I'll settle for the OED's 218,632 words.
What a big number... doesn't it? What is the main cause of having obsolete words? I do not have good arguments to back this up, but I think it is not a positive fact that there are obsolete words in a vocabulary. The first guess that comes to mind is that - maybe - is the millennials' fault for using abusive internet slang.
persiflage - light and slightly contemptuous mockery or banter (the lifeblood of the Shoutbox)
Agree!
subvention - a grant of money, especially from a government
I remember using it a lot in my "Taxes" thread, hehe. :cool:
Is an "entry" the same as a "unique word" when counting? I'll settle for the OED's 218,632 words.
Yeah! :up:
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quango- chiefly derogatory - a semipublic administrative body outside the civil service but receiving financial support from the government, which makes senior appointments to it
QUasi-Autonomous Non Government Organisation. Much used by irresponsible politicians for stealth privatisation, jobs for the boys, and for implementing unpopular policies at arms length. More a neologism than obsolete. Acronyms don't count as real words though. That's official thought police policy.
Change over time. Here's an example that will be totally obscure to 99% of English readers:
"A gentle knight was pricking on the plain..." This is the opening line of Edmund Spencer's The Faerie Queene, published around 1600. What was the knight doing? He was riding a rapidly galloping horse.
As far as I know, describing a fast gallop as "pricking" is at least obsolete and possibly archaic. Maybe yeomen in the Elizabethan era just liked "gallop" better than "pricking" -- I don't know. "Prick" as in being stuck by something sharp is an older Anglo-Saxon use, and continues on to the present.
At the same time that the gentle knight was pricking, "prick" was a euphemism for penis. That vulgar usage did not become obsolete -- it's still in use, along with 'dick', 'cock', 'dong', etc. However, referring to a person as a "prick" is pretty recent -- 1929.
Will "prick" still be in use as an insult or euphemism in 2323? It depends on global warming, to some extent. There may be no one alive to call anybody a prick. Pricks may not only be obsolete, they may be extinct, and English, Spanish,, and Japanese along with them.
Reply to Jamal When my kids were little, I learned if you left a plastic bottle of milk in the hot mini-van all day, you would make a putrid pressurized cottage cheese concoction that I couldn't imagine anyone being able to drink.
I was thinking maybe like how the Icelandic people can eat rotten fish like candy, maybe you had come across a peoples with another sort of eating super power.
When I was in college I tried to make apple juice wine and then I tried to distill it with a bunch of shit I duct taped together and cooked on the stove.
Steve was a pretty bad drunk, so he volunteered. He said it wasn't terrible, but we couldn't tell if it was alcoholic because he was already drunk when we started our experiment. I didn't want to die and regular beer wasn't that hard to come by, so I didn't drink it.
EDIT: I’m not showing off, I just for some reason don’t like the suggestion that those are obscure words.
Get over it. They're pretty obscure. Being "obscure", you understand, isn't a judgement on the word's worth. They're all good words (except floccinaucinihilipilification which some brats at Eton made up). Word Frequency is a pet interest for me. If you compare the frequency of 'NASA' and 'flocculent', the latter has appeared in print far more often than the former. Flocculent just hasn't make it into print very often, these days.
What interests me is how authors, writing a space opera or an account of Los Angeles' growth, find reasons to use words that stand out from the lexicon they normally use. Texts that are readily readable rely heavily on the Anglo-Saxon and 11th & 12th century French lexical contribution. Obviously, one cannot discuss cell biology or technical management without delving into the lexicons that have been added Ito the English lexicon quite recently.
So, maybe your regular reading includes texts that are derived from more technical fields than what I am reading. (Or your vocabulary is bigger than mine.)
NASA had a big moment in the sun with the moon landings, and then some spectacular unmanned projects. In the last decade or so, Nasa has not been in the headlines (and in printed books) so often. Flocculent, on the other hand, has been in the doldrums for a long time. Again, there's nothing wrong with flocculent, in all its glorious fluffiness.
Three or four of them are very common (bricolage, quango, etiolated, chicane) and another two or three are less common but still not in the realm of the obscure. Get over it!
I once made an EP of 2 minute electronic tracks made with a free synthesizer app on my iphone recorded from the iphone into a microphone into my computer. I titled it "Blast Beat Bricolage". It's "unreleased".
When my kids were little, I learned if you left a plastic bottle of milk in the hot mini-van all day, you would make a putrid pressurized cottage cheese concoction that I couldn't imagine anyone being able to drink.
Yeah, I wouldn't drink that. Fortunately that's not how they make kefir, ayran, tan, kumis, shubat etc. These beverages are enjoyed by the millions of people who use a wood-burning mangal grill.
And then there's lassi, the Indian one. That's another billion. I like it with salt rather than mango.
I think my sneeze success rate is about 35%. I thought this was worth sharing solely because of how enraging a statistic it is. I'm about to rip my nose off.
In sneezing, I define success as when I successfully sneeze. If I need to sneeze and I sneeze, that's a success. If I need to sneeze but I can't, that's a failure. So, when I say I have a 35% success rate in sneezing, this means that 65% of the time that I need to sneeze, I can't. This statistic and it's enjoining experience fills me with rage.
If quango is common, it must be a Britishism. "A semipublic administrative body outside the civil service but receiving financial support from the government, which makes senior appointments to it" per unenlightened, American corruption is simpler than that. Our political crooks just show up at the loading dock of the treasury and haul it away in bulk.
Are your sure about 'chicane'? Yes, it's related to chicanery, which is an increasingly common word. But as "chicane"? Bricolage is likely a more common word than flocculent, given its use in the arts. Maybe etiolated. Maybe.
But "obscurity" isn't so subjective that if I happen to know a word, then it isn't obscure. Obscurity derives from very infrequent usage, very restricted meaning and usage, or is limited to a small group of people (like, all of the residents of Quango, West Indies).
How about inamorata? scry? pleonasm? ascesis? purdonium?
Eldritch: A term that was new to me, then I started finding it here and there. "strange or unnatural especially in a way that inspires fear : weird, eerie". Coleridge used it in Rhyme of the Ancient mariner.
According to The Guardian, "A faulty connection in the nervous system may link sexual responses to the sneezing reflex.
Thinking about sex or experiencing an orgasm sends some people into an uncontrolled bout of sneezing, and according to two researchers the problem may be more common than the medical profession had realised."
That would be a drag. The reverse would be worse socially.
I don't know if this is common knowledge and I don't think it works for everyone, but when I'm on the edge of sneeze and it needs a push, I look to the light. Best is the sky, but artificial lights work too.
This is one of those odd things that I discovered about myself as a child and haven't thought to Google it since Google was invented.
Yes, light does tend to allow me to sneeze. However, I think there's also a psychological aspect to sneezing. Despite knowing that light helps me to sneeze, I sometimes overthink the light-sneeze, and it doesn't happen. Sneeze psychology seems to run deep.
Are your sure about 'chicane'? Yes, it's related to chicanery, which is an increasingly common word. But as "chicane"?
Yep, common in motor racing, so it gets used on TV a lot. Also in urban planning and traffic engineering. You really need to brush up on your traffic calming concepts BC.
Bricolage is likely a more common word than flocculent, given its use in the arts. Maybe etiolated. Maybe.
Maybe what? I've seen or heard all of those words multiple times over the past few months. I've heard bricolage on podcasts and YouTube videos recently, and Noble Dust has a famous track called "Blast Beat Bricolage".
I see! Your examples are very interesting. Yet, I was wondering if the changes were positive or negative. You used the example of "A gentle knight was pricking on the plain...", and yes, it seems to be an old expression of English language. But modernity is not always good for language. It tends to be reorganized in a manner where the "purity" of the language has the risk of being lost, (or at least its originality).
et, I was wondering if the changes were positive or negative.
Altering language is the ultimate corruption and deeply forbidden. Have you heard of The Inquisition? It all began in Languedoc with the infiltration of foreign languages. Do not try to mess with the eternal Forms and the Word of God, or you will suffer the consequences.
Sorry mate, I am already tired of discussing that historical topic. It is even funny, as Monty Python parodied us, with the meme "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition" flowing around the Internet...
Breakfast: toast, one mini cheese cheburek, apple, coffee, kefir
Lunch: leftovers from last night's Kazakh meal: four manti with tomato, onion, and chili salad
Dinner: doner kebab, soon to be eaten
Kebab! I miss the experience of eating a good Turkish döner kebab. My neighborhood has an important number of Turkish locals, but the quality of the food is low.
Please remember to declare any earnings from yard and garage sales. Many have been brought down by such a small detail. My Uncle served 10 years for selling a set of commemorative dishware. :wink:
I’m on your side in this obscureness debate. (If you’d want someone verbally-challenged on your side, that is). Those British... they think they invented the English language or something. :nerd:
Reply to BC If he were still alive, I dearly hope George Carlin would not have been a Trumper.
Because I’d really like to hear him rip the Q-anonsense crowd a new brain-hole. :cool:
Please remember to declare any earnings from yard and garage sales.
I got fined for exactly that reason, for not declaring the "earnings" from a parking lot whose leasing agreement was signed by my grandparents, but the revenue was transmitted to me, in "black money" cash.
Oh my god! I am realizing that I act as a tax fraudster. Do you know what is the worst? The fee from the parking lot is low, just 80 €. So, I do not know why tax officers get mad at such an amount. :eyes:
Yes, light does tend to allow me to sneeze. However, I think there's also a psychological aspect to sneezing. Despite knowing that light helps me to sneeze, I sometimes overthink the light-sneeze, and it doesn't happen. Sneeze psychology seems to run deep.
The ultimate psychological malady of modern life - sneeze performance anxiety.
Good golly! I was just kidding as usual, but about the taxes n Spain, I had no idea (also as usual lol). Time for some Beatles...
It is so complex that I would need a thread with 15 pages to explain it. There are two sections: the collection by the state (50 % of the revenue) and the collection of the autonomous regions (50 % of the revenue). To these amounts we have to take into account the European Union taxes such as Valued Add tax (VAD) or customs.
Reply to Noble Dust Chocolate babka is a regular item at the bakery I like, in log rolls and in large single rolls, like big cinnamon rolls. For a discussion of chocolate vs cinnamon babka, see Seinfeld, Nothing, III, 32, 8:45. Bobbi bought a bob cut to block her bloated braids from her vodka and babka.
To celebrate her new bob cut, Bobbi ate babka and drank vodka
Starts quite slowly but becomes totally addictive towards the middle, and I loved the surprise ending even though I don’t usually go for happy endings.
To celebrate her new bob cut, Bobbi ate babka and drank vodka.
Thank you. Now please analyze my profound and complex micro story.
Here, I wrote you my analysis of your story. I did it all by myself. With no help. I did it:
T Clark - All by myself... With no help:The story "To celebrate her new bob cut, Bobbi ate babka and drank vodka" is a concise sentence that suggests a narrative about a character named Bobbi who has recently gotten a bob haircut and is celebrating in a specific way. Let's analyze the story in more detail:
Character: The story centers around a character named Bobbi, whose new bob haircut is likely a significant change in her appearance and may carry personal significance to her. The name "Bobbi" could be interpreted as gender-neutral, which adds an element of ambiguity to the story.
Setting: The story does not explicitly mention a setting, leaving it open to interpretation. However, the mention of "babka" and "vodka" suggests a cultural or regional setting that may be associated with Eastern European or Jewish traditions.
Action: The action in the story is relatively straightforward. Bobbi is celebrating her new bob cut by indulging in babka, a sweet Eastern European cake, and vodka, a strong alcoholic beverage. The consumption of food and drink is often associated with celebration, suggesting that Bobbi is in a festive mood and possibly enjoying herself.
Haircut symbolism: The mention of Bobbi's new bob cut may carry symbolic meaning. A haircut can represent a change in one's appearance or identity, and getting a bob cut, which is typically shorter than other hairstyles, may imply a desire for a fresh start, a sense of liberation, or a break from the past.
Babka and vodka symbolism: The specific food and drink mentioned in the story, babka and vodka, could also carry symbolic meaning. Babka is a rich, sweet cake that may represent indulgence or enjoyment of life's pleasures. Vodka is a strong alcoholic beverage that can symbolize celebration or a desire for escape or numbness.
Theme: One possible interpretation of the story is that Bobbi's celebration of her new bob cut with babka and vodka reflects a sense of freedom, enjoyment of life, or desire for escape from the mundane or ordinary. It could also suggest a connection to cultural or regional traditions associated with babka and vodka.
In conclusion, "To celebrate her new bob cut, Bobbi ate babka and drank vodka" is a brief story that hints at a character's celebration and indulgence in response to a significant change in appearance. The story leaves room for interpretation and invites readers to consider possible symbolic meanings behind the actions and elements mentioned.
Beautiful. This analysis is all I could have hoped for and more. Thank you for taking so much time and effort out of your day to thoughtfully respond. I learned things about my own story and myself.
Beautiful. This analysis is all I could have hoped for and more. Thank you for taking so much time and effort out of your day to thoughtfully respond. I learned things about my own story and myself.
You're welcome. Did I mention that I did it all myself, with no help. I wrote it all. I really mean it. I did it. Me.
Yes, that’s the most incredible part. I won’t soon forget this, Clarky. You’ve made my entire year. I was planning on never writing a short story ever again, but now you’ve given me the inspiration to persevere. You’re a lighthouse in stormy waters.
Reply to T Clark Yes, that’s what is impressive and surprising. Not because I thought you weren’t capable, but because it’s a lot of work for a minuscule story.
I gotta say man, I'm proud of you. In fact, my image of you has been elevated to a whole new level. I will never forgot the way you made me feel today, you, just you. Thank you for being your authentic and wonderful self. :heart:
If we were to illustrate the entire text in a graphic rendition it would require the better part of a decade and likely be 3,500 pages long. The trickiest task, then, would be to retain roughly only 5 percent of Anne’s original diary while still being faithful to the entire work.
The diary as a book itself is alive — it has a lot of humor… it will not disappear, it will not be replaced. It is a beautiful work by a beautiful person. We are thinking of it a bit like an homage, and the best thing we can do is just carry on this spirit and treat it as a work of art, and I am not afraid to say that it should even have a bit of entertainment.
However, it's now disappearing from a Florida school:
Dinner: Homemade chicken picata over orzo seasoned with butter and pasta water, with broccoli rabe and white beans cooked with pancetta on the side. A very vaguely Italian American meal. Pretty good, although the beans were a bit dry. A sprinkle of olive oil helped but didn't save the day.
Ø implies everythingApril 11, 2023 at 04:42#7980790 likes
I have done boring work (for pay) and while I was doing it, I kept thinking "Why are we doing this crap?" Computers really should be a) working out the details of final exam time and room scheduling; b) ordering the next semester's textbooks (not choosing, just the paper for); and the like. That was 25 years ago. Even more so today.
As I said in my comment to @Metaphysician Undercover, a line must be drawn, and I don't know exactly how. It is a tough question. One thing I find certain though: some of the stuff we find boring today must be left un-automated. The reason is simple; there will always be boring stuff. We get to decide, to some degree, what is boring and what is fun by engaging in activities across the spectrum of stimulation. If we continually push the spectrum upwards, we will eventually run out of fun things to do. What then?
In your example, I'd probably be pro-automation. There wouldn't be tons of other boring tasks for you to do. Those other boring tasks (like perhaps scoring tests) are important as well; so, they have more utility and are more critical. So in choosing between which to automate, the choice is clear. Contrast that with automating both, and all the other boring tasks you have. What's left? Lecturing, which used to be so fun. Now, it's all you do... and it isn't so fun anymore. Both you and your students would then suffer from this, until even lecturing got automated. Then you'd be out of a job however, but that's a different issue regarding the automation era.
P.S., I just assumed you were a teacher given your example. I guess it is possible you were an IT guy at a school. Regardless, my reply still stands in theory.
Ø implies everythingApril 11, 2023 at 04:47#7980810 likes
There is something we can do about it, yeah. But will we? This all spawned as a worry about what automation will do to our society. If I was talking solely about my own personal life, then this reply of yours would be relevant. But this is about society; so, even if individuals in society CAN do this, the question is: WILL they? I don't think so and the evidence for that is already clear. The progression has been drastic; it's not long until there'll be a Subway Surfers video at the bottom of the Minecraft parkour video at the bottom of the actual main content video.
This was my first time cooking broccoli rabe, and it turned out quite well indeed. They shrank a lot, though, so i probably could have bought more for my meal prep. A success overall, however.
Having olive oil at home should be a right guaranteed by the constitution. :up:
I know what you mean, I think. In America, because of our obsession with freedom, we might say something like "the right to possess olive oil is a fundamental human right", except for us it would be butter, or even worse, firearms. Olive oil is something I can get more excited about, though.
Having olive oil at home should be a right guaranteed by the constitution
I agree. Marx’s principle for a good society, From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, is flexible on the notion of needs: it is meant to cover not only the necessities for survival but the necessities for a full life. One of those necessities is olive oil. Therefore, what you say is entirely compatible with Marx.
They shrank a lot, though, so i probably could have bought more for my meal prep
Yes, these vegetables stink. Their odor is strong, and I know some people who do not want to eat them just for this reason. It is a pity because they are pretty nutritional aliments.
it is meant to cover not only the necessities for survival but the necessities for a full life. One of those necessities is olive oil
Perhaps, I can be extremist oftentimes, but I cannot trust a folk who doesn't have olive oil in the kitchen. How do they cook?
Butter yes... but not worthy to me.
Perhaps, I can be extremist oftentimes, but I cannot trust a folk who doesn't have olive oil in the kitchen. How do they cook?
Butter yes... but not worthy to me.
Well, I see where you're coming from. BUT! Please never use olive oil to make egg fried rice or ... well, anything from Asia at all really.
So many other oils: sunflower, peanut, lard, cotton-seed, sheep tail fat (the last two are used in Central Asia)
I'm not sure if something was lost in translation, but I was remarking that the broccoli rabe shrank, meaning it got a lot smaller in size after being cooked.
, I just assumed you were a teacher given your example. I guess it is possible you were an IT guy at a school.
At the time, I was a principal secretary for a couple of departments in the College of Management. I applied for the job because I needed a paycheck quickly. It was all tedious detail work in a noisy office in which I could barely think. I didn't last long.
I've worked in adult education and health education, but not as a classroom teacher. The health education work involved outreach and telephone work in the early days of the AIDS crisis. Outreach did not become boring, but it did become less successful as some of the venue's I worked in were closed down. Telephone education became boring because there were so many calls from the worried well with the same questions about their extremely-low-level-to-non-existent-risks. Every now and then a caller had some disgusting perverse behavior (calls for which we were very grateful), but those were few and far between. Working with college students and teachers in another job was not boring either. Annoying, but not boring.
At the AIDSLine, I automated our call reporting system. Using a Mac, I developed a desktop form which one could click through, instead of marking paper. The automation part was that the computer produced the stats at the end of the month, rather than somebody having to tabulate maybe 2000 phone call report forms. (Several people worked on the phone lines.)
Effective multi-drug HIV treatment killed off interesting AIDS work. Plenty of other problems to work on, fortunately.
I've worked in both professional jobs and in clerical jobs. Professional jobs are usually interesting, have some perks, and less supervision. Clerical jobs (and a lot of other non-professional jobs) are more openly exploitative. Extraction of your potential value is uppermost, whereas professionals tend to be trusted to produce.
Sadly, institutions have found ways to bastardize professional work too -- adjunct instruction jobs in universities, for instance. These unfortunates are hired one term and one class at a time for low pay, no benefits, and zero security. Colleges love hiring PhDs to teach for much less than they pay the custodians. Not my situation, but several friends have been stuck in this racket.
Ø implies everythingApril 11, 2023 at 06:42#7981140 likes
Reply to BC What do you work as now, if I may ask?
Please never use olive oil to make egg fried rice or ... well, anything from Asia at all really.
I agree! Olive oil doesn't connect very well with Asian dishes. I remember cooking fried rice with olive oil from Jaén, and the result was not good. As you said, there are others that are better for them, like sunflower oil.
I'm not sure if something was lost in translation, but I was remarking that the broccoli rabe shrank, meaning it got a lot smaller in size after being cooked.
Oooohhh Yes! I got you now. I didn't translate it well. When you boil broccoli, it shrinks.
some of the stuff we find boring today must be left un-automated.
I don't disagree with you on this. A) what one person finds mindlessly boring, somebody else will find tolerable. I enjoy sorting office mail for instance. B) the problem is distribution. One position shouldn't get stuck with all the boring jobs. Nobody should be considered above being bored once in a while.
It is important that people NOT forget how to do things. Many people can't find their way around in a city because they rely on GPS to tell them to turn right in 200 feet, or do any arithmetic on paper. Smart phones have obliterated people's internal rolodexes. Lots of examples.
Ø implies everythingApril 11, 2023 at 06:55#7981190 likes
Reply to BC You raise other issues with automation. But often neglected is the issue of automating away tasks that we currently find boring. I see it as a slippery slope; one we ought to carefully navigate down, instead of sliding down like toddlers on the playground. Do you agree that shifting our threshold for stimulation is an issue brought on by automation?
Nothing, pretty much. I'm 76 and retired. I read a lot, do household chores, try to fit some tame exercise in, peruse the philosophy forum and other sites, and so on. I also spend quite some time reflecting on how I could have managed my life more successfully. There are several things I would take more seriously, and would avoid some others. Could have, would have, should have. The thing is, a lot of us don't figure out the game until it is almost over. I have all kinds of insight now that I didn't have when I was 18.
Ø implies everythingApril 11, 2023 at 06:59#7981210 likes
Reply to BC Ah, I see. What kinds of insights have you gained, if you're willing to share?
Reply to Ø implies everything Well, automation is driven by the desire to increase production and reduce production costs, like labor. I don't think automation-designers are worried about who is bored and who is not. Automation is having foreseen and unforeseen consequences, just as computerization and the Internet are having expected and unexpected consequences.
For instance, computers and the internet make possible what education technology aspired to do in the 1970s, but could not -- because our reach exceeded our grasp. Cutting edge in the 1970s was pathetic by the 1990s. In the 70s we wanted to 'mediate' information, and what we had to do it with was audio and video tape, film, slide projectors, very very slow computer connections. Analog ruled, digital was still around the corner. "Let's give students 24 hour access to information, blah blah blah." All good ideas, but not technically possible till the last two or three decades.
Google Search was a dream come true for us 70s dreamers. The PC, even the first puny little machines, were manna from heaven. Expensive, but well worth the cost!
On the other hand, they are web sites that are dangerous. 4Chan and various dark web sites come to mind, but Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok are not without dangers of their own. Foreseen and unforeseen.
Lunch: ordered a delivery, I think it may have been Uyghur food but I'm not sure. Much spicier than what I've had here so far and more of a Chinese flavour, so I guess that fits. Anyway it was top-notch nosh.
I don't think automation-designers are worried about who is bored and who is not.
I don't think so either, but the question was, do you think automation poses the danger of pushing the threshold of stimulation up so high so as to, eventually, make us into zombies?
I have done boring work (for pay) and while I was doing it, I kept thinking "Why are we doing this crap?" Computers really should be a) working out the details of final exam time and room scheduling; b) ordering the next semester's textbooks (not choosing, just the paper for); and the like. That was 25 years ago. Even more so today.
— @BC
As I said in my comment to Metaphysician Undercover, a line must be drawn, and I don't know exactly how. It is a tough question. One thing I find certain though: some of the stuff we find boring today must be left un-automated. The reason is simple; there will always be boring stuff. We get to decide, to some degree, what is boring and what is fun by engaging in activities across the spectrum of stimulation. If we continually push the spectrum upwards, we will eventually run out of fun things to do. What then?
A certain amount of tedious work is required for most jobs, and I think that's a good thing. As an engineer, there is a tendency to computerize data management. That's a good thing to some extent, but someone who has actually looked at the data, handled it, processed it, validated it knows it in a different, better way than someone who has just looked at piece of finished work prepared by a computer. Data has a structure and logic that you never see if you just look at it after it's been processed.
Even for non-technical work, there has to be someone who knows how everything fits together, how the work flows, who to call when things go wrong, all the little tasks and projects that have to be completed in order for the more technical work to proceed. Someone with a vested interest in the quality of the project has to be the one who runs the process and who knows where everything goes.
Reply to T Clark Well, from what little experience I have I can recommend Central Asia. Relaxed and friendly, ethnic harmony, good food, and fermented camel’s milk.
Well, from what little experience I have I can recommend Central Asia. Relaxed and friendly, ethnic harmony, good food, and fermented camel’s milk.
Unlikely I'll ever get up that way, but I like having you to scramble around the old Soviet republics and tell us what they're really like. I probably assumed those nations were more or less like Afghanistan and Iran - intolerant authoritarian theocracies where westerners don't belong. It's nice to know what's really up.
Kazakhstan is a secular republic, not theocratic at all. Religion is important but a matter of choice. Uzbekistan too. Turkmenistan is the embarrassing one, the insular secretive dictatorship that other Central Asians don’t talk about. I know almost nothing about Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Kyrgyzstan is only 30 km away, up in the mountains, but I haven’t been yet. Didn’t bring a jacket.
Kazakhstan is a secular republic, not theocratic at all. Religion is important but a matter of choice. Uzbekistan too. Turkmenistan is the embarrassing one, the insular secretive dictatorship that other Central Asians don’t talk about. I know almost nothing about Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Kyrgyzstan is only 30 km away, up in the mountains, but I haven’t been yet. Didn’t bring a jacket.
Reply to javi2541997 You are 6 hours ahead of the East Coast, 7 ahead of the central time zone, 9 of the west coast time zone, assuming you are also on daylight savings time. Then there is Australia. Nobody knows what time it is there or what day it is, So, some of us are just going to bed, others have been in bed for a while, and some (UK) are groping towards yet another day in a long weariness.
Look at it this way: You are on the cutting edge of the sunrise.
I avoid being up at sunrise; I haven't seen it in a long time. Does it still happen?
I avoid being up at sunrise; I haven't seen it in a long time. Does it still happen?
It does happen, and it is pretty. But I am not a big fan of springtime, I prefer fall and winter sunsets. These are poetic and thanks to them I wrote a lot of poems.
The sad truth is that Stalin forced the Kazakhs to give up their nomadic way of life back in the 1930s. That was a really bad decade to be a citizen of the USSR. The following decade was even worse.
I have one bottle of Kroger extra virgin olive oil. I also have a bottle of avocado oil, which like my bottle of canola oil, is technically not olive oil, but that makes 3 bottles of olive oil depending upon technicalities.
Metaphysician UndercoverApril 12, 2023 at 11:11#7985050 likes
If you include technicalities, I have quite a few bottles of motor oil, especially used stuff. I rarely dip into them for breakfast though, saving them for special occasions.
A while back, after years of trying numerous lotions and creams with only partial success, I started using extra virgin olive oil to moisturize my entire dry-skinned head. But then I got fed up walking about stinking of olive oil so I tried vegetable oil but I only had it in spray-can form, so I had to spray it in my face and I didn’t like that. Then I got a special face oil but it only came in tiny bottles and I ran out after a week. Now I’m in another country and my head got sunburn and now it’s dry and flaky, and my wife doesn’t like me using her expensive lotions so I had to get my own. That would be fine but it doesn't really work and brings me out in an itchy rash and I'm not paying fifty quid for a tiny tube of fancy cream.
There’s a bit by Bill Burr where he talks about how he didn’t know he had to moisturize until middle age, when his black girlfriend pointed out that "white guys get ashy too," it's just that they can't see it. Well, that was me until quite recently. My father thinks that moisturizing is for girls so he never taught me the way of healthy skin.
The upshot is that I need to find a good neutral oil in large quantities, for not too much money.
Metaphysician UndercoverApril 12, 2023 at 11:54#7985180 likes
Reply to Jamal
I suggest used motor oil. It's inexpensive and contains the heavy metals required for sunblock. Then again, if you were self-conscious about smelling like olive oil, the look might not be what you desire. But you'll smell like a machine!
It's not that I was self-conscious exactly, it's more that I was overly conscious of the smell of olive oil so I was constantly distracted by the thought of spaghetti aglio e olio with pecorino cheese.
I'll consider your suggestion of manly motor oil :strong:
Reply to fdrake Yikes, well it's the heavy duty stuff I'm after. If I can get it in a barrel-size tub that'll be perfect for jumping into after a shower.
Reply to Hanover If I had a penny for every time someone’s asked me that I’d be a gazillionaire.
The answer of course is that I don’t know, but I think it’s unlikely. My head is unusually sensitive, and the tongue of a cat is very rough, so I’d have probably woken up.
The answer of course is that I don’t know, but I think it’s unlikely. My head is unusually sensitive, and the tongue of a cat is very rough, so I’d have probably woken up.
If an open source of olive oil were available, you've been surreptitiously cat noggin licked, I assure you.
The answer of course is that I don’t know, but I think it’s unlikely. My head is unusually sensitive, and the tongue of a cat is very rough, so I’d have probably woken up.
Cod liver oil will bring every hungry little pussy in the neighborhood to you!
Wait... that didn’t sound quite right... :snicker:
Someone had to do it. Did you notice that Hanover and I were too sophisticated to stoop to that level, despite the temptation?
Prod as you might, I will not succumb. I will not talk about using olive oil as a vaginal lubricant to help reduce penile chaffing from vigorous penetration only to licked raw by the cat once exhausted by repeated acts of intercourse even though that's what you're trying to get me to do.
Chicken sandwich is one of the best meals. I guess it has already been delivered to your home and you enjoyed it like a child enjoying milk with chocolate cookies. :cool:
you enjoyed it like a child enjoying milk with chocolate cookies.
Woah. I like your enthusiasm but that's a bit much for my depressed brain.
The chicken sandwich was indeed delivered to my doorstep, and I did indeed enjoy it like a 30-something obscure musical artist who posts nonsense on a philosophy forum to fill his hollow Steppenwolf days.
Reply to Jamal Have you tried a dermatologist? Maybe there is something wrong with you. You walk in, and he or she says "My god! I've been waiting for a case like this for years!!!" as rubs his or her hands together.
He or she might prescribe ghastly, painful, time-consuming procedures, or... may just tell you to wear a hat to keep the sun off your head.
Nah I’ll try and get the stuff @fdrake recommended, although I can’t get it here so in the meantime I’ll be using sheep’s tail fat from a fat-tailed sheep.
Last year I found out that the people behind PlushForums had built a new platform. It was in private beta at the time and I didn't bother asking to try it out. Today I did, since it seems to be fully launched:
https://babble.im/
Before I tried it today I'd been wondering if it would be something we could move to, but it's not a good fit. It's a stripped down forum optimized for fast-moving chatty conversations rather than long and complex posts, so it wouldn't be right for us. More like Discord than a forum. I do like it though. Simple and easy.
Reply to Jamal Cool. Maybe we can look forward to posts like: 'Has anyone tired growing a Nietzsche moustache?' and 'Let's see photos of your cats looking like Hannah Arendt'
Metaphysician UndercoverApril 13, 2023 at 12:02#7988870 likes
Reply to Jamal
Some time back, I made a proposal at TPF for real time debates. In this format the debaters would be given very strict time regulations, to better represent a traditional debate. There'd be an overall time period, and time limit between replies. This could make the debate much more interesting for spectators by bringing out the true personalities of the debaters, rather than giving them time to research and crib, as they go. I think that is what a "debate" really aims at, rather than testing a person's research skills.
Debates don't seem to be prominent on this site. They can be very interesting and entertaining for spectators, but the present format allowing the debaters free time to research between replies makes them just like a normal thread where the participation is restricted. This makes them less interesting, often trailing off into boredom.
It appears like the new platform you refer to could be well suited for such a debate.
rather than giving them time to research and crib, as they go. I think that is what a "debate" really aims at, rather than testing a person's research skills.
For those (like me) that English is not their native language, need time to usually translate, check grammar, improve quality of the post, etc... so a "live debate" will make me feel a lot of anxiety, just because of the great numbers of mistakes perceived by most of the members. :death: :fear:
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I meant I put the pencil in wherever zone on the table. :wink:
Now now, y’ain’t Hanover, my guy. Ya dig?
The train is long, like a branch. Obviously one is always on long things, and in blobby things. Thus one is always in sane, never on sane.
You’re [s]in[/s] on to something there.
Quoting unenlightened
I think this is compatible with Hanover’s view. Normally that’s not a good thing but in this case I think you’re close to cracking the problem together.
But then there's the open air exception, where we get on a bicycle or on a skateboard. Of course, there's nothing to get in on those things. But what of the ferris wheel? You get on the ferris wheel and then you close the door once you're inside, how fucked up is that?
I'd think you'd get on the London Eye, but not in it, but a gnat gets in my eye, not on it.
In other news, we also have a ferris wheel in Atlanta where you can see the city. I've never been on it, largely because of the in/on confusion we've been talking about. It's been a thing here for many years and you guys are just now catching up to it.
Chickens do not partake of the spliff as their beaks are not conducive to facilitating inhalation. Such would result in nothing other than serious loss of product. You obviously are not a farmer.
That's why chickens only do edibles.
Yes, but to get on the London Eye you get in one of the air-conditioned ovoidal passenger capsules.
Yes, but ever since the avoid the ovoid movement, no one rides the London Eye, on, in, or off.
They like hash brownies though, a much more economic way of consuming their stash.
Quoting T Clark
Today I read this:
Quoting The Guardian
Six months from now you'll read a different statistic. Six months from then you'll post a different prognosis.
Well, there is an issue. I take for breakfast tofu paste, not the real tofu which is steady. I went to Mercadona (as always do) and the worker said to me that they only have paste of tofu.
So, my breakfast in two weeks a row has been one slice of whole bread with tofu paste and virgin oil.
(I remove the tomato because it doesn't fit well with the taste of tofu.)
This is great news, although I don't know what tofu paste is. I know about tofu, but not it's "paste" form. I'm curious to hear about it.
Quoting javi2541997
Despite never having been to Spain (yet), my heart was somehow warmed by this statement.
The prediction in the paragraph I previously posted has been around for a long time and I've seen it quoted many times. If you look under world population growth on the web, that's the one you'll find. So, this new one is a major difference. I'm skeptical. The things I've read always say the path of population growth is easily predictable. This is so vastly different that it raises questions. It represents a radical change from the past pattern.
Ah. Thanks for the info. This being the shoutbox, I assumed it was typical shoutbox fodder. I didn't realize we were doing actual philosophy. Well, then. Yes. *ah-hem*. Let me think for a second. *burp*
If I'm being annoying (which I always am), how do we measure how accurate these prognoses are? Is there a past record of their efficacy? Who's doing the progging and who's measuring it? Do they compare and contrast past progs with current progs? Do they own up to their mistakes? Do they make excuses for their failures? I sound like a dumber version of @unenlightened at this point.
It is the tofu itself, but instead of being a rigid block to cut it up, it is a paste like butter or cream prepared to spread on (or "in"?) a slice of bread.
Quoting Noble Dust
I understand your feeling. When Mercadona catches you up, it is impossible to get rid of them. Even @Jamal still feels its magnetic force, despite he is in Russia.
Fun fact: the other day, the owners of Mercadona conceded a press conference to say "sorry" for how the prices got up and how rich they have become in the past year.
:lol: well done. And your description makes sense; for some reason I was reading "paste" as non-English and imagining it meaning something else. :yawn:
Quoting javi2541997
And did anything come of it? That's more than an American store would do.
Oh wow :eyes:
Quoting Noble Dust
Well, they just did it because they were receiving a lot of criticism from the government and a part of society. Some see it as unethical to get rich selling food when it is a "basic" product in our lives. They explained that the prices rose because of the Russia-Ukraine war, inflation, interest rates, etc... so it was not "their fault."
These arguments were not convincing for most of the people. :lol:
The apology was a response to market forces. They have to market toward the demand, which apparently includes saying sorry when prices get high so they don't lose customers to other stores that present more apologetically.
If you want your banana with an apology, they will be sure to deliver. Capitalism at play.
David
I always say that, but I'm not sure if I'm thinking of TPF as a ship or as a train. Thoughts?
In Western Europe, people must publicly repent for being rich. As in days of Olde, this eases their path to heaven and generally makes everything okay. In Russia and I believe in the US--though I'm usually wrong about all matters American--the attitude is somewhat different: growing rich from an innocent activity like providing food is inherently commendable. Thus we find that rich Russian and American foodmongers feel no social pressure to repent for their sins, since intersubjectively they actually have no sins, and since God is an intersubjective object of adoration specific to a culture rather than the universal boss of all humanity, their own paths to heaven are assured.
As a Western European, I'm obliged to hate my dentist (my second dentist, this is) because he is very young and good-looking, runs a city centre practice making mountains of cash, and drives a Porsche when he's not being driven around in a Maybach. Also because he's quite rough with my mouth.
Just to add some information to Jamal's response, this is the context:
One of the ministers (member of the Spanish Communist Party) asked Mercadona to please make a "basic basket of food," limiting the prices.
Mercadona owners answered that such a decision would not be possible because Spain is a capitalist country and they have to respect the rules of the European market and other international treaties.
Some consumers got mad after the response and many people started calling them, "savage capitalists". That's why they conceded a press conference saying sorry for raising the prices up due to inflation.
For some reasons, we are used to the fact that banks and ZARA are rich as hell, but in our view, it is quite unethical to become filthy rich selling eggs, bread, and zucchini. Those are products that we need to get feed, they are not whims.
It is a spacecraft!
Boasting again. You're very competitive.
Gamblers put their money where their prognosis is, so you only have to look at their bank balance. But more canny prognosticators always put someone else's money where their prognosis is. So looking at my bank balance, I wouldn't put much credence at all in them.
Quoting Jamal
I thought of a well stuffed roasted turkey in the middle of a long table, and you with one of those electric carving knives. Like the last supper in modern dress.
Clarky and Hanover. :snicker:
I don't know that food sellers are any more or less opportunistic than sellers of other goods. Food selling is also a pretty competitive industry, with enough sellers in the marketplace that it would be hard to gouge people outside of there being a crisis situation. The prices of eggs have skyrocketed, but that has to do with supply issues, not some trust among egg suppliers to raise prices.
I don't take a naïve view of capitalism, but it generally doesn't allow for people to just raise prices to get rich, but price is hammered down by competition.
There is also this problem (and maybe it is actually more prevalent among non-Americans) that fairness should play a role in the setting of prices, and that the American lack of concern over fairness in the marketplace somehow translates into hypocrisy when compared to its declared religious values,
This misunderstanding, I would argue, arises from the lack of appreciation of the disdain Americans have toward communism and Marxism and the general distrust they have toward the government. It really is ingrained in the ideology that tyranny is the reason for America's existence and that only through a Constitution that checks everyone's power can one's rights be protected. I'm not arguing for a naïve acceptance of this ideology, just pointing it out, especially among the right. Communism is considered true evil.
So, when it is rejected that we should have the government or some committee of some sort figuring out the fair price of things as opposed to the price that would arise from the free exchange of contract, that sounds like Stalin just rode his horse into the town square. In fact, all I'd have to do is mention the gulags and that would end your political campaign to set prices.
As to the role of the church, I think the view is that there is an ethical obligation to give to the poor, and generally the religious are more charitable, but the concept of charity and taxation are not muddled in this mindset, so hypocrisy doesn't arise. I get how one may argue that cutting government services on the poor would be seen as uncharitable and non-Christian, but the person would not consider himself unchristian for supporting those cuts because it's likely he's contributing money and labor toward charitable causes on his own volition, which he sees as real charity, as opposed to taxation.
I'm not saying all this is necessary right or logical, but I think it explains things somewhat. It also explains why I always push back when I hear anti-capitalistic rhetoric, as I acknowledge I too am a product of my environment.
That was my favourite bit. It made me think of eggs as rockets.
Fascinating read, but I would like to say that my post was essentially neutral. Playful absurdism and cultural commentary rather than anti-capitalist satire. I may often disapprove of capitalism, but in the Shoutbox I try to hide this proclivity so as to avoid being pounced on by enraged American lawyers.
I dropped an egg as I was carrying them inside from the coop. I tried to mop it up with some straw and throw it over the fence because I didn't want animals coming around the coop smelling the rotting egg. My clean up job was typical though, and I suspect all sorts of animals are coming around right now getting close to the chicken coop. Fortunately my wife has built the coop like Fort Knox since the trauma of losing some chickens earlier.
She just bought them a bunch of beach toys, like plastic shovels and buckets, which I've agreed they really need and that will make them happy, which seemed like the only way to agree.
The "um, we're talking about chickens, right?" is the wrong answer in case one day your wife buys chickens and you need to know what not to say.
I've had chickens and the main problem was rats. From time to time I would put non-harmful rat traps down and then I'd take the captive complaining rats away and release them somewhere else. I don't know if the rats that appeared a few days later in the vicinity of the coop were the same rats or not. I suppose I could have tagged them and then drawn some interesting conclusions about rat behaviour, overland travel times etc.
This was in the days of old PF, and I was in an ancient water mill that had probably been home to rats since Roman times. For this reason and others I ended the previous resident's policy of poisoning them all. One of the other reasons was that it was not fun to climb around the mysterious and labyrinthine attic to collect rat corpses among clouds of flesh flies.
The chickens were free range and spent the whole day doing a big circle around the pond, foraging for worms and beetles and shit. In the first week of the chickens I struggled to round them up before sundown to put them in the coop, because I didn't realize they'd go back by themselves. I should have watched a video or something.
I will have chickens again.
Not philosophy so much as current events, although this subject does come up pretty often in various hell in a handbasket threads. This is something I find interesting. It tells me a lot how the world will be for my children. Even the old predictions argue in opposition to the worst of the doomsayers.
Quoting Noble Dust
Sorry, when it comes to being annoying, you are well down the list, unlike... well...
Quoting Noble Dust
Yes. I'm asking the same questions. As I said, I'm skeptical of the new results.
A fox got my chickens. I saw him run off. I ran to get my gun, but I didn't have a gun because I was at the legislation stage in my eco-system above, so I got my elephant. It was cumbersome to say the least.
The chickens will come home to roost, and some might refuse to go in the coop, which probably has to do with pecking order and bullying, but I just throw those in there because being inside is safer than being outside.
Where I used to work we had a saying - Competence makes up for anything. Seems like your dentist fails to meet that standard.
Also - note I have reverted to my old standard of using a hyphen in any situation where any kind of dash might be appropriate. During the recent in/on discussion here I kept thinking "This is incredibly tedious." Then I remembered our punctuation-fest and stopped whining to myself.
Yes, welcome @Davidtechtrader.
As to train or ship - I think of philosophy as a river, which would make the forum a rickety raft.
Quoting javi2541997
Quoting Jamal
Yes, I agree. The idea of @Hanover being in control is truly disturbing.
Let's have a meet up in the radioactive ruins of Kiev. Or Madrid. @javi2541997 can take us all to that macarena store to by tofu paste. Or Athens. We can all wander the streets annoying people just like Socrates did. Or Boston, you guys can all stay at my house. Or Minneapolis, we'll all sleep at @BC's place. Or Australia. We can track down @Streetlight and @TimeLine and beat them up. If you guys want to stay with @Banno, that's fine. I'll just get a hotel room. Or Atlanta. We can all learn how to milk chickens and gather goat eggs at @Hanover's "farm."
Quoting The Guardian
No, I didn't read the article. The headline tells me all I want to know.
I partly guessed Ron De Santis was prehistoric.
Or maybe everything will go to hell in a handbasket in 2024. Economies collapse, industrial production grinds to a halt, CO2 levels stabilize, billions starve, and 2100 turns out to be not too bad ecologically.
We have't figured in how artificial intelligence will help or hinder. Supposedly it's going to make a huge difference in everything from smarter investing to better pornography. And we haven't figured in benevolent or malevolent aliens arriving in 2101 and either saving us or settling our hash once and for all.
I chatted with Google's AI, Bard, and it claimed to have read The Philosophy Forum. However, it couldn't name any of the participants.
And just what do you mean by that? October is the loveliest time of year in Minneapolis. Plus, there is an Ikea here where they serve meatballs that are not made from mammoths (at least that's what they said).
:grin:
Sorry, I was just trying to cause a ruckus in the Shoutbox.
Or, worse yet, Trump is reelected president.
Quoting T Clark
@Alkis Piskas can invite us :cool:
What was the cat's name? If it was something like Snuggles, then it's understandable that the rats wouldn't take it seriously.
You're right, I should have thought of Japan. We can go to Mishima's grave in Tokyo and then eat sushi off Hello Kitty plates. Later, we can go to McDonalds, KFC, and Starbucks. Where else should we go?
I'm offended you didn't mention the spotless, luxurious streets of NYC. We can eat foie gras, sip fine wine, and discuss the subtleties of Picasso's late period.
No, but we can go to a baseball game.
I hate it. Thou shalt not use a hyphen as a dash. That’s not what they’re for.
It’s worse, “much” worse, than using quotation marks for emphasis.
And please, please, please let's not turn this sexual. I'm talking about just an ordinary household salty spice.
I had a yellow shirt that I'd wear when my kids were little and I told them it was my hotdog shirt because I could spill mustard on it and you wouldn't be able to tell.
I'm telling you this in case I die so that I know someone will be around to pass that on.
I would pay whatever for this plan.
And the overpriced shitty beers are on me. and in me. And you. And everyone else. That was weird.
Goodly weird though.
I actually prefer cheap beer with the plasticy taste of the cup. That's the way I first learned it tasted, so that's how I think it should be.
I will happily drink a Budweiser or Modelo out of whatever container. These days 24oz cans seem to be the new norm at ballparks.
Please don't be offended. I love New York like no other city. My mother grew up there and she would take us with her to see her father. We went to plays, artsy movies, restaurants, zoos, book stores. It's magical to me. I just figured there wouldn't be room for all of us in your apartment.
"No" - "it's" "not" - "nothing" "is."
It's against the law in the US to put ketchup on a hot dog. I direct your attention to the Supreme Court case of Oscar vs. Mayer.
I knew the Hello Kitty plates would draw you in.
I haven't been to a Braves game in a while. They moved the stadium from downtown to Marietta, which is northwest of the city and I live northeast of the city, and there aren't many good east-west roads, so I would have to drive all the way down to the perimeter and then go up I-75 and that would take too long.
That and I really am not much of a baseball fan.
I live fairly close to the triple A minor league Braves stadium, but that's even more boring because what they do doesn't matter and the price isn't even that much cheaper.
Their team name is the Stripers (not Strippers, which would be cooler because I like having my furniture stripped). A striper is a hybrid bass that is stocked in Lake Lanier, which apparently is a good game fish, and the stadium is sort of near Lake Lanier, if you think 30 to 45 minutes is close. Stripers don't reproduce, so they aren't invasive. Strippers do reproduce, so BE CAREFUL and DOUBLE WRAP!! It's all fun and games until you're waiting for the rugrat to reach 18 so you can take him off the rolls.
See if you can pick up some extra shifts with all this extra time on your hands.
I appreciate your use of frigg and profanity within the same sentence.
You should do what @Hanover does. He posts here instead of working, or while working I guess. We're his substitute for solitaire. I think I'll start a new post; Solitaire - Solipsism, Marxist protest, or just lazy schmucks screwing the boss.
Would you share the demo recordings with us? :eyes:
I would be happy to, I just don't want to break the "no self-promotion" rules. I can certainly post it in the "Get Creative!" thread when it's done.
Also, I've released plenty of other music which is not in demo form. Links exist which are sendable.
:up:
Quoting Noble Dust
Interesting! What kind of music? Lo-fi or vaporwave? I remember you shared with me the track "nobody here" and we debated about lofi/vaporwave music.
He does mainly country pop.
:gasp: !
I like lo-fi and vaporwave, but I don't make it. Similar to how I love Meshuggah but don't make death metal. I love both Coltranes, but don't have a technical understanding of jazz...etc. My main project is a sort of art-rock/indie rock thing. I'm sort of putting the nails in its coffin already. I'm moving more in the direction of ambient/experimental. I.E. as I get older, I move towards music that is less and less musical. :party:
I understand. It seems to be a personal realization where you can express yourself through music.
Interesting, indeed. Music is another kind of art, and it helps us consider what we feel.
Can't wait to listen your tracks soon!
It's exactly that. I usually pontificate endlessly, but I'll stop here.
Quoting javi2541997
I look forward to sharing them; music is about sharing anyway.
That’s true! :up:
Quoting javi2541997
Is it though?
If we do not share our art creations, it would be a shame for all of those who want to hear or read us. :grin:
I asked GPT and it said "there is no clear answer to the question of whether music is about sharing". So the jury is out.
Thanks
GPT is a selfish AI! :scream:
Hah, brilliant. If we're his substitute for solitaire, does that mean our responses are just the random front-sides of back-turned cards in his one-man, solitary game? I guess the solipsism explanation seems most likely then.
You're a perfect narcissistic creation.
Keep up the good work.
You are playing solitaire with a computer. If we are the "cards", then we are the computer... and what we show to you are cards selected via random-number generation. What you show to us, your moves, is selected via cognitive algorithms. In other words, we give you randomness, and you give us information. You think you are playing us, but it is in fact we who plays you! All we are giving you is a distraction; you however, give us all the knowledge needed to analyze the human race's tactical cognition. Mwahahaha!
My creation run amok. I give it just a little free will, and it has no respect.
I totally get how Yahweh must've felt.
Hey, don't piss on country music. And don't call me "Pop."
You're overthinking the solitaire thing. That means you'll fit right in here at the forum.
Sorry Papa.
Funnier would have been to call him daddy.
I've told you before, on the forum you're the mommy and @Baden is the daddy. Or was it good cop and bad cop?
:cool:
Oh, you haven't seen the half of it. Just wait...
@Adam, could I interest you in an apple?
Yup, that's all of philosophy. Over-thinking long enough until we can say everyone else is under-thinking.
Alright, I will just vacate my entire brain out of here then.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23731975-dominion_3-21-23_hearing_slides-used-at-hearing_redacted
As mayor of the shoutbox, I have to maintain order. We're all strangers here. Oversharing about, for instance, how happy you were to get an old hard drive to work and how you found a bunch of old music on it, and how that filled you with so much joy, is inappropriate.
See if you have one of those old style calendars lying around to refer to. Today is Wednesday. A three day weekend starts on Friday.
For lawyers, maybe. Not for the proletariat.
Quoting Jamal
:grimace:
It's the Sabbath. It takes a full belly to keep holy.
I hate to break it to you, but not everyone is Jewish. Can I say that? :yikes:
By the way, the chicken sandwich was, as always, great. It's pretty random, but a grilled chicken breast is supplemented by cheddar, lettuce, tomato, avocado, bacon and pickled jalepeno, with a vague but delicious green salsa-ish thing as the sauce. It comes with fries. I'm not even a big fry guy, but these are slender, shoe-string almost, and the perfect amount; normally here in America, sandwiches come with a disgusting amount of fries and I can barely crack into them, but I ate all of them with this meal.
Always thought it was Saturday.
I see signs of left-wing radicalization. :up:
The bourgeoisie and their lickspittle lawyers better watch out.
Well, the same gist seems to be appropriate. Actually, I wish I had prognoses of debauched nights to come, but mostly I'll be watching baseball and laying around, which is honestly all I want to be doing. On Friday I'll be heading to this burger pop-up that I've been meaning to go to for quite awhile, by this guy George Motz, the self-styled "Burger Scholar".
I’m guessing mutton chops are fashionable in New York right now.
On Friday I’m heading for the land of (relative) freedom known as Kazakhstan. A month without internet restrictions :party:
This suggests that you think I don't know my shit. I may be a youngster, but I have reasons for my sideline position on many things. Reasons, I tell you. Big brain over here.
Unfortunately by ordering from this restaurant I had to stoop to proletariat bacon; i.e. lukewarm, greasy, and causing the bun of the sandwich to become soggy. I nearly threw it out the window in distress, but realized it might land on the head of my neighbor who smokes spliffs out front. I refrained for his sake, and because he's black and I want to be seen as a man of the people, as you all know. I also love the smell of spliffs. Combining that heavenly scent with the putrid aire of bacon grease was unacceptable to me. Again, I'm a man of the people.
Quoting Jamal
That would be amazing, but no.
Quoting Jamal
Bon voyage.
hehehe. :cool:
I apologize. I did not intend to impugn your class-conscious credentials and I ask for my comment to be strucken from the record.
Quoting Noble Dust
This gives me overwhelm. So much to analyze here I don’t know where to start.
Unfortunately comments cannot be deleted on TPF because we use a service provider called Plush Forums. In fact, your comment may be flagged by a moderator, or even deleted. You may even receive a warning PM if the content of your post was deemed to be egregious enough.
Quoting Jamal
Surely that's nothing in comparison to an everyday post from @Hanover.
You are both artists of the Shoutbox whose comments contain more than any analysis can describe. Great art always escapes the boxes we try to put it in.
You need to learn the "yes and" approach. I think @Hanover intuitively knows it, even if he's never heard of it. @T Clark doesn't count; he's in his own humor universe, as is @BC.
Any comment directed at me that begins like this will be regarded as offensive.
Okey dokey boss.
See what I did there? that's "yes and". It keeps the conversation flowing...
TC seems to think you should call me mommy.
As Adorno said in one of his lectures…
I'm pretty sure he said you're the mommy and @Baden is the daddy. Congrats, btw.
That said, you're sheer ignoring of improv comedy cues suggests you know next to nothing about posting in the shoutbox. Despite having founded the thread. I'm hangry already, and not from lack of food.
By which I assume you mean that the things I intend to be funny actually are.
Well Clarky, it's just more that you...live in...your....own...worldHAHAHAuhhh
Thanks!
Note: There have been a lot of threads about solipsism recently, but I am not confident enough to chime in.
Hey Robby, did you ever hear of "yes and" as a tactic for creating funny improv comedy? Ever?
Is this a thing?
I don’t like that much, but I guess if we can call TC Clarky I can’t complain.
Yes! And?
That’s the spirit!
Not only is that the spirit, but there's so much more that encapsulates the spirit! What else gets you excited? I need names; names, names!!!
Thank you!!
Wait was I supposed to do something with the names?
Nah. Like inhaling air... tasteless.
Low hanging fruit.
Wait, so tofu on bread is not only not a thing, but it's tasteless? There seems to be an issue, here.
The heaviest, plumpest, sweetest kind.
I'm guessing you find "Robby" a lot more annoying than I find "Clarky." I've been called that all my life, although there was a period when I was called "Killer."
Please tell me more about this period of your life.
I was named funniest member of the The Philosophy Forum by the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy, so it's official. Now that Streetlight is gone, I've moved up to fourth smartest too.
It was when I wrestled in high school.
Did you know that wrestling was an import part of Kazakh culture?
There is a culinary issue, indeed.
Don't they do Greco-Roman wrestling there? We did freestyle, which doesn't really allow throwing like G-R.
Our records show that you have never ventured into the BC universe of humors–a wholesome and satisfactory state of affairs.
Quoting Noble Dust.
A song about obeying the boss
Even "Jammy" would be preferable.
Then what is everyone?
Is this a description of the elusive not Jewish people @Noble Dust references?
I mean what are these people and how do I know one when I see it and what do I do with it?
No bread this time.
Breakfast: fried mashed potato and fried eggs
Lunch: Spicy vegetable soup wrap
Dinner: Cheese
So I had this soup I made but I'm not really a soup guy so I reduced it down to a kind of chunky sauce, rolled it up in a lavash with some extra added tuna, and munched. It was a lot better than I expected.
My son likes to tell me how he buys 10 pound hams on the cheap and then he eats it for several weeks, living off maybe a few dollars a day on salted pig meat. It sounds like something a rebel soldier might have lived off during the civil war. I imagine him sleeping outside in the fetal position in the mud under a tree with scraps of pork in his pockets.
He also shot, killed, cleaned, and ate a crow once. He said the meat was purple. Then there was the time he killed a deer, skinned it with a pocket knife on the ground, and went elbow deep yanking out the guts from the ground. When the zombie apocolypse comes, he will be king. Right now, those skills have limited application and are somewhat disturbing.
The word "ham" in your story made me think of that.
Quoting Jamal
I love them. You can use spring onions in whatever dish.
Interesting.
When I read your post, I had concluded that it was the life of a perfect hunter, but it turns out that the main protagonist is your son.
All that he does will be impossible for me. I like eating meat, but hunting the animals—wow, I would be scared and probably end up being eaten by a bear.
I have encountered Spanish hunters. All I wanted to do was climb up the mountain, but there were these two guys shooting sparrows or whatever, and it made me a bit nervous. Same in France and Italy. I shouldn't be speaking up for British-style hunting where it's only the upper class who can do it, but really, it's just not cricket.
So hunting is not a kill or be killed sort of activity, but the hunter has the upper hand with the high powered rifle and being placed high above in a stand. Even if you were walking around quietly like Elmer Fudd trying to kill wabbits, the chances of some wild creature coming at you are hovering right around zero. It's generally much safer in the woods than on the streets.
But, I do understand the reluctance to hunting in terms of killing an animal. I actually have never done it. I have no problem getting my meat at Kroger, but I have no desire to kill my own food. Maybe it's hypocrisy of some sort on my part, but that's how it is.
I'm actually pretty anti-gun, which I get hurts my street cred, but I feel like if I'm ever in a position where I think I'm going to need a gun, I need to find a new position to be in.
They undermine dams and slowly destroy the hydrological balance, which is a big problem in a water mill. Even though I had not signed up for killing animals and had never held a gun before, I spent the winter killing the coypus and came to quite enjoy it. It helped that they were unfriendly and had ugly orange teeth.
EDIT: Have I said all this shit before? I'm in my fifties now, it's hard to keep track.
I feel the same whenever I go to my grandparents' house in Toledo. There are a lot of hunters, and when I hear them shooting at sparrows or rabbits, it makes me feel anxious.
I understand that hunting is not necessarily as savage as it appears on TV or YouTube videos. I guess (only a guess because I never pressed a trigger in my life) that hunting a sparrow is not a big deal. But I don't know. It is a weird feeling. I am not a celestial judge to decide whether to end their lives. It's weird and a paradox because later on I eat a lot of meat...
When I first moved to France I got a new bike. It was summer, and it was a full moon, so I thought it would be nice to ride around the countryside in the moonlight at midnight.
I had not accounted for hunters, so I was riding around the fields amidst gunshots, trying not to look like a deer. Never again.
I thought everyone in the UK was unfriendly and had ugly orange teeth.
Yes, well, I went to the dentist yesterday and she told me I need to go see a periodontist, a guy to look at my gums. So, I am a bit obsessed with dentistry right now. Also, would you really expect me to shy away from an overused stereotype in my quest to be amusing?
Me too! Spooky.
I also have more problems with my teeth and gums than I had expected, after many decades of strong healthy teeth. It's just disappointing.
I was reading about them because apparently they're a thing down in Lousiana and some family had one as a pet they raised from a pup, but the authorities said that was illegal and they had to give it away. They cried their eyes right out their head, so the wildlife po po took their boot off their necks and let them have their nasty little critter that probably runs in circles and chews up all the electrical cords.
Fred once yanked all the internet cables out of my backyard, so the cable man had to come out there and hook them back up. I put some anti-Fred fencing around there. That way y'all didn't have to miss a single day of my postings.
I thought nutria (coypus) are the same as muskrats, but apparently muskrats weigh about 3 pounds and nutria weigh about 9. We have lots of muskrats on the east coast. I wouldn't want to meet one 3 times bigger.
The juveniles lunged at me aggressively if I disturbed them when they were eating the corn that I had put down for the geese, ducks, and swans, and the adults ignored me. I found them unpleasant, but I think they felt the same about me. Anyway, it was me who had the gun.
Is Fred your dog or your son? I can't remember.
How do you clap with one hand? Are you spanking yourself??
Congrats; that is indeed the joke.
I realized... but too late. So I tried to save my dignity by playing it off as a spin-off joke; hence my follow-up: Are you spanking yourself??
I guess the cavalry arrived too late for your quotation.
What a debacle. It was a worthy attempt on your part, although I'm unsure of whether making a spanking joke could be considered saving "face"...
Fred the dog eats cables. My son eats crow. It's not hard to remember.
Fred = cables. Son = crow. I will try my best. Fred, cables, son, crow, fred cables, crows, sun, cable tv, fredrick...
As someone who finds sports gruesomely boring, and given the tradition of forcing sport upon men as necessary part of masculinity which is then later self-imposed by the men later, I think the allusion to self-flagellation made my spanking joke quite fitting.
Meh; too complicated.
Speaking of sports, I learned I was a really good ice skater fairly recently, which I never really tried much considering we have very few ice skating rinks down here. Had I been born in Canada, assuming there really is a Canada, I would have been a top hockey player and would probably have had a name with a bunch of consonants and I'd have said "eh" a lot.
I'm glad that didn't happen to me.
Instead, I live down where I live, have a bunch of dogs, goats, chickens, and a cat, and I landed a job at the local philosophy outfit as a moderator. It's an honest living, not the lights and glamor of hockey playing, but it suits me ok.
Quoting Ø implies everything
Quoting Noble Dust
It's not a joke, it is a Zen koan. A koan is like a joke but it's not funny. A lot of @Hanover's posts might be considered koans.
Here's what Bart Simpson has to say:
Jelly. So sad.
Do you talk a lot? Sometimes people who just go on and on, flapping their gums, clanging their teeth together, they run into mouth, face, jaw, and teeth problems. My dentist told me to shut up and that pretty much cured my dental issues. He suggested I find a place to say the things I'm now shutting up about in typing form to cure me of my urge to yammer.
Says the guy whose joke included a koan. Then again, if koans aren't supposed to make sense, can they really be complicated? I guess if they're nonsensically sensible or sensible nonsensical, then that would make them simply complicated or complicatedly simple.
My jokes are complex yet uncomplicated. Layered, yet direct and immediate. Thoughtful yet bawdy.
Uh, yeah, sure, exactly.
The four stages of certainty.
I have perfect teeth and have written several classics in the field of psychology.
Yes, well. Hmmm.
As a rule, writers can't afford dental insurance. Something seems off here.
Oh, you get paid to be a moderator here? That's amazing, especially given that there are no ads.
He's worth his weight in muskrat, that fella.
Maybe Jammy can hunt a few of those for us. :pray:
I don't get paid in what many refer to as "money." So, like much of philosophy, it comes down to definitions.
Let me guess; you get paid with gratitude?
With that explanation, I suddenly became enlightened. Nirvana is meh.
I need a religion that offers me a bunch of awkward virgins when I die.
I wanted to pull in and smash his door into his legs, but I instead chose one of the other 100 or so open spots. It's the principle of the thing. The spots are for cars, not dangley legs
Those sound like some huge legs.
Like oak trees, with Spanish moss. Weird, right?
Sounds like you may have encountered a fabled Georgian Swamp Man. Georgia like the country, not the American state.
If there are no trees to cut, but instead, only nails bereft of a wooden embrace; is the axe a chopper or a hammer?
If there are no feet, why would there be shoes?
I mean, who's the fucker making nails when there's nothing for them to go in? I don't think anyone would know what they were. It's like if I invented film 100 years before cameras. It would be a paperweight.
I could go on and on about this.
Who said there is nothing for them to go into? There is, and that is precisely why the axe becomes the hammer.
That sounds like a challenge.
What's the sound of one hand clapping?
...
What's the smell of two hands clapping?
...
(Note that you don't win enlightenment if you go: "are we talking about washed hands?")
Here's what you done said:
Quoting Ø implies everything
I suppose, under a very strict set of rules of interpretation, the nails' bereftness of wood could be limited to actual wood, but under the broader metaphorical interpretive scheme I assumed, as your prose waxed poetic, "wood" referred to any embracer of a nail.
This is to say, when you said the nail ain't got no dad burn wood to hold itself to, since you were talking like Walt fucking Whitman, I took that to mean your lonely old nail had no mate to penetrate.
Quoting Ø implies everything
Thus, when I said the nails were not in wood, I was not saying there was no wood. Thus, you have wood, you have nails, you have no trees left to cut, and you have an axe... so, might as well use the axe to hammer the nails into your wood.
I was trying to make a play on words with applause and apple sauce, but that didn't work. So I got nothing. I guess no enlightenment for me.
So, no trees, no wood, and nails bereft of the warm, solid embrace of morning wood.
At this point, we might have to submit this dispute to @T Clark. He's the wisest man any of us know. He once had me split my baby. He'll need to look up "bereft" though.
As you well know, it wasn't a baby, it was a doll with teeth embedded in it's face.
No no, nothing is the thing you're after! YOU WON! :cool:
I don't mind him; I tend to think recovering/former addicts know something about the world that the rest of us don't.
This time there is rye bread in the basket.
Ah I see. Well, I hoped that the prior (and possible future) existence of trees in my metaphor were taken for granted by analogy to the real world. In the future, I will add left.
Good, being enlightened is going to give my arguments much more authority. I hope you will testify to my transcendence if I need some support in future discussions.
Not what I would have expected.
Quoting Tom Storm
There, that's more like it. I had pizza for lunch yesterday with leftovers for today. No goat cheese fritters though. I'm sure we have some goat cheese in the refrigerator so I guess I could make my own.
About metaphysics? :wink:
Well, sure, metaphysics, but not only metaphysics. Wouldn't you be more likely to trust my opinion of Kant's views on chewing gum if you knew I was enlightened?
Mehhhh. I have seen some enlightened people and have not been impressed. But exception surely exist.
Kant's views on gum might be found in his correspondence, your views are more unique.
Be that as it may, my enlightenment is the hole card I will hold in all my arguments from this day forward. Kind of like an endorsement from Donald Trump - it doesn't mean I'll win, but at least people will pay attention.
I will hold you to this promise. The word left is important to me and my family. Thank you.
Touché.
:up:
In addition to my position as the Voice of the Spirit of Philosophy here on the forum, I am now Certified Enlightened®. See previous comment from @Ying. This will certainly add even more authority and credibility to my opinions and observations.
Also, I want to introduce my new temoji. A temoji is a T Clark emoji, which I use to demonstrate my contempt for standard emojis. This is my smile temoji:
As you can see, I've used Donald Trump's mug shot for this purpose.
Congratulations, Clarky.
Please, do not be fussy with my posts on my daily meals. :eyes:
Your pet tardigrade is called Donald Trump? I like that. He already is more likeable than his counterpart, since he's only a moss pig, not a capitalist one.
Lol, I only noticed this after I made the same conclusion in the Trump thread.
Yes, yes. Great minds and all that.
Let's test that theory. Tell me what I'm thinking right now.
Doesn't sound like a mod issue to me. I can see the theoretical possibility where you could troll someone by ignoring them after baiting them into a conversation, but what you're described isn't that.
I do it myself. It can be the best, most honest, least troublemaking way. It shows you’re not interested but nothing else is implied by it.
Well, maybe I’m too cynical.
We're not here to police energy levels. Otherwise, I might find myself in etiquette jail too. But an example of bad etiquette might be starting an OP with the intention of not answering any of the replies at all.
[Hide]Eh, @Banno?[/hide]
Then again, it is a double-edged sword. Not feeling any obligation can lead to just answering the easy posts.
Yeah, I agree with that. There are posts I have yet to reply to because I've gotten distracted or because I need to do more research to reply. And some posts do not need a reply; they are just of a terminal nature.
If you’re motivated by a philosophical spirit then you’ll likely feel compelled to respond to difficult questions.
Yeah, I see that. Such a practice could perhaps imply that one wasn't so interested in the first place, which would violate point a) of Starting a New Discussion.
Well, I don't know what you were thinking when you posted that question, but right now you're thinking "Is that 7 or 8 pints I've had now?"
Well, which is it? Probably good to operate the lawnmower on 7. 8 would be pushing it though.
There are those among the membership who write good posts and yet are clearly not worried by any of this. Sometimes it’s rude, and rudeness isn’t great, but neither is it necessarily against the rules.
Different personalities.
It's actually 9, but you asked me what you were thinking, not how much you'd had to drink.
I worked at this place, and I'd typically not say hello to people when I walked by them. This one woman would say hello everyday and I wouldn't respond. She got mad and stopped saying hello to prove a point.
We became friends a while later and she told me that story. I had no idea all that happened. An entire battle happened and I never knew.
My point is that sometimes people don't respond and the silence means nothing. The swirl in your head sometimes doesn't match the swirl in other's.
xD brilliant
In my youth I would occasionally have that many pints. These days it’s unimaginable.
That's good to know :) At least I know I won't be breaking any rules by this, and I'll simply have to figure out some decision procedure to help me balance between both edges of the sword.
You're too clever for me. I ought to stick to talking to Hanover on Friday nights.
Yeah, that's definitely true for my over-thinking ass.
:up:
My decision procedure, which I have formulated carefully over a period of several years: reply when I feel like it, don’t when I don’t.
I generally respond to posts that are specifically addressed to me. I would feel bad not responding to someone who was being reasonably polite and sincere. If I don't think I have anything of value to offer, I'll just say so.
I don't generally get drunk on beer, I just fall asleep.
I feel the need to mention that the main reason I don't reply is because I haven't figured out what I could say. It's a confusion on my part, rather than a rudeness.
I have no problem being rude if the need arises ;)
As is your feline nature :P
never! :D
I do empathize with the cats.
Can't imagine how you deduced that.
Well, my own cat is quite proficient at the act of stroking keys, so I'm always wondering if there's truly a human behind all those blocks of texts that come my way.
And, it bites less!
I still take it to the litter box. Just in case.
Comments which seem to be trying to address the issues raised in the post they are responding to and in the OP. Substantive arguments expressed in reasonably civil language.
the tofu paste again. Do you love it? I grew up eating a lot of tofu and hated it, so as an adult I haven't gotten back into it. I'm at an age now where I could be convinced to give it a shot.
I respect it. :pray:
:cool: ??????
I'm a little bit worried about all the sophisticated AI software seeping down into the hands of the general public. Eventually TPF could be infiltrated. Some TPF members like to stroke their own egos, so they might create a number of sock puppet AI accounts which follow them around and praise, support, and expound on, all the excellent ideas they are posting. That's rather creepy, but I guess it's already pervasive in primitive forms, on most social media platforms.
I believe we'll need a new form of philosophical training designed for the detection of AI. A test for that stupidity which is inherent in all real persons, but lacking in AI. Click on the "I am not a robot" button, because only a human would be stupid enough to fall for that one.
Although I am very worried about AI in general, I am not so worried that the text coming my way belongs to humans. I exercise Death to the Author for the most part, usually responding to what they said first and foremost, and then perhaps responding a little to what I think they intended to say (granted there was a disconnect). I don't take anyone to be an authority, and thus always read up on what they said, to see if it is true. In cases that is not possible, I just think about what they said, and subject it to my own logic and views. At no point does the Is this a human/an intelligent being enter the picture, because text literally speaks for itself and even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Thus, it makes little practical difference to me, in the moment, whether the texts come from a human or a AI like GPT. For those using it though, I'd be very careful. One might think the AI is good for getting the boring stuff done, like exposition of facts; but doing boring things is good for us. If we always pick the path of maximum stimulation, we desensitize ourselves, and soon, creating logical arguments is the boring stuff.
Have you ever tried tempeh? (Fermented soybeans). Much firmer texture and (I think) better taste, even the plain variety. Comes in flavors too like barbecue. And being fermented, it provides probiotics super powers! :cool:
And if you’d maybe like a little vacation, put a leash on the ball o’fur and take it for a walk around the neighborhood. Be sure to talk to it loudly and continuously. Ok, the “vacation” would be in a “mental health” facility, but whatever. This plan has worked for me. I’m currently on “vacation” now! :joke:
By the way, don’t know if you already mentioned... but do you have anything special planned for your 10,000th post? Revealing the meaning of life and what lies beyond? The raunchiest joke you ever heard? The family recipe for orange marmalade? The mind boggles!
Good recommendation. I tried them in salads and yes, the texture is firmer. :up:
Thanks! Very versatile and the plain stuff is relatively cheap. And low carb too!
Quoting javi2541997
That’s what she said! (very sorry about the bad joke, wanted to say it before the other patrons in the Shoutbox Bar and Grill did!) :yum:
This Vietnamese guy I knew introduced it to me. They also had this super sweet coffee with condensed milk that he raved about, but I thought it was too sweet and kind of disgusting.
He then gave me some dried salted plumbs that were pretty nasty.
So, thumbs up to the fish dish, but thumbs down to the other.
You've misspelled "thums."
LMAO :rofl:
Quoting Hanover
I require a picture of your dish after cooking it because it seems to be so delicious.
Had an incredibly delicious ?skender kebab yesterday for lunch and some very nice fresh pasta at an Italian restaurant for dinner (went to an Italian so we could have some wine). I'm quite happy to find Turkish is the most popular cuisine in Almaty. Also popular are Chinese, and of course, pizzas and burgers.
Muslim culture so not much booze around, but when I'm in the mood I can sniff it out in a matter of minutes, so don't worry.
When I was an engineer, I travelled fairly often. Many of the sites I worked on were in old beat up cities, which tend to have lots of good, inexpensive ethnic restaurants. When I came back to the office, when someone asked me how things went, I'd always tell them about the good food I'd had before I talked about the work.
I had more redeeming qualities as an engineer than I do as a pseudo-philosopher. Actually, that's not true, as an engineer I behaved just like I do here and was equally perspicacious.
The correct spelling is pernicious.
That's what she said.
So, do you think we should all throw away the calculators and go back to long division, and figuring square roots, and things like that, because boring is good?
Homemade blueberry blitzes for brekky.
Turns out I'm not Vietnamese.
That's because you live on the wrong side of the International Fools Line.
@Nguyenover
Looks good.
Pre-grocery shopping breakfast was simply two over easy eggs and coffee. Interestingly, @javi2541997, the origin of this particular roast is Japan, which I've never seen before. On further inspection, however, it's simply an homage to Kissaten coffee culture, which uses a distinct blend of different coffees. So the coffee wasn't grown in Japan. Anyway.
Hate the way the rest of the world puts the date before the month.
In the rest of the world, they measure time in the metric system - 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, 10 hours in a day, 10 days in a week, 10 weeks in a month, 10 months in a year. Every 10 years is a leap year - They add an 11th month to the calendar to get everything caught up. People take the whole month off.
That's where your confusion comes from.
I'm aware of all this. The confusing part is why their decades are 9.4 years and the charecterize everything in scores. Instead of saying 3 years, they say 3/20th of a score or 5 years as a quarter score, and 6.6666666 years as a third score.
On the other hand. It is interesting how they even take miso soup with breakfast. The only time I ate it was for lunch and dinner. Maybe, I will give it a chance if I wake up motivated enough to cook up some miso soup (I already have the algae, they are sold at Mercadona.)
Of course they are. I've never made miso, but want to, although I don't really love the flavor. It has probiotics in it, however. Yogurt is a common breakfast food in the US, and I think plenty of other places, so in that sense, miso for breakfast does make sense. I eat yogurt for breakfast about 5 days out of the week.
I do too. I put nuts in it. Chobani peach is must common, but mixed berries and blueberries sometimes too.
I used to eat Danishes for breakfast, but I would crash before lunch due to my reactive hypoglycemia, which is easily controlled by eating foods lower on the glycemic index.
Yogurt is pretty common here too. Most people take it after dinner or as a snack. I don't like yogurt because I have lactose intolerance.
Quoting Noble Dust
Yes, it has logic, but I think it is weird to take soup for breakfast in my food culture. Yet, one day I will take it. There are a lot of markets where packets of miso soup are sold. But I want to give it a try and cook it myself.
That is to say, correct is "I eat soup for breakfast."
Let me know if this correction is annoying or helpful. Generally when people correct grammar it's dickish, but you seemed to want to know before.
I went through a period of eating plain yogurt but finally admitted to myself I was being masochistic. Now I’m on an Icelandic Skyr kick, like a true NYC hipster. It’s much less sweet but the fruit flavors are still tasty.
I personally like the grammar of “taking” something for breakfast. There’s a charm to it. Language is always changing.
I agree, it’s not eaten for breakfast here. There are plenty of other cultures that do, though; menudo in Mexico, congee in China (porridge I guess), and I feel like other Asian countries too.
Skyr has found its way to the burbs. It's soccer mom cuisine now. You've got to find something more obscure now if you want to stay hip.
Maybe a glass of tang and some Little Debbie oatmeal pies. Retro hip.
Your correction is helpful and I appreciate your help. Yes I always want to know and learn.
:up:
Exactly. Asian countries eat a lot of different soups. Another interesting fact is the use of rice. It is an indispensable element in their dishes.
My grandma would say you should take chicken soup for a cold, like it was medicine.
My auto-spell inserted the word "aphid" instead of "should." I should have left that there for confusion's sake.
At first I thought "algae" was an auto-spelling-correction artifact, but after research I discovered that seaweed and algae are related. The market closest to my house has a couple varieties of seaweed. I like Miso soup and would happily take it with any meal.
Mass market green tea (in the US) is inferior to up-market varieties. Tazo™ (mass-market brand) used to make a green tea mix with lemongrass and mint that was tasty. Then they switched to "organic" and the same mix is flavorless.
One can get good green tea, but not from Lipton™ or Tetley™.
Further thoughts on "take": One 'takes' coffee with cream and or sugar; same with tea in England. Red-blooded Americans DO NOT put, take, add, dump, pour, or otherwise mix dairy products into their tea. In Tibet, they take tea with yak ghee. "The smell is like walking inside of a cheese cave, but it's got this particular hint of yak fur smell… sort of like wet dog, but a bit more earthy with undertones of barn." so says VICE. Sounds like limburger cheese.
See below:
take
1 of 2
verb
?t?k
took ?tu?k ; taken ?t?-k?n ; taking
Synonyms of take
transitive verb
1
: to get into one's hands or into one's possession, power, or control: such as
a
: to seize or capture physically
took them as prisoners
b
: to get possession of (fish or game) by killing or capturing
c
(1)
: to move against (an opponent's piece, as in chess) and remove from play
(2)
: to win in a card game
able to take 12 tricks
d
: to acquire by eminent domain
2
: GRASP, GRIP
take the ax by the handle
3
a
: to catch or attack through the effect of a sudden force or influence
taken with a fit of laughing
taken ill
b
: to catch or come upon in a particular situation or action
was taken unawares
c
: to gain the approval or liking of : CAPTIVATE, DELIGHT
was quite taken with her at their first meeting
4
a
: to receive into one's body (as by swallowing, drinking, or inhaling)
take a pill
b
: to put oneself into (sun, air, water, etc.) for pleasure or physical benefit
c
: to partake of : EAT
takes dinner about seven
5
a
: to bring or receive into a relation or connection
takes just four students a year
it's time he took a wife
b
: to copulate with
6
: to transfer into one's own keeping:
a
: APPROPRIATE
someone took my hat
b
: to obtain or secure for use (as by lease, subscription, or purchase)
take a cottage for the summer
I'll take the red one
took an ad in the paper
7
a
: ASSUME
gods often took the likeness of a human being
when the college took its present form
b
(1)
: to enter into or undertake the duties of
take a job
take office
(2)
: to move onto or into : move into position on
the home team took the field
take the witness stand
c
(1)
: to bind oneself by
take the oath of office
(2)
: to make (a decision) especially with finality or authority
d
: to impose upon oneself
take the trouble to do good work
take pains to make her feel welcome
e
(1)
: to adopt as one's own
take a stand on the issue
take an interest
(2)
: to align or ally oneself with
mother took his side
f
: to assume as if rightfully one's own or as if granted
take the credit
g
: to accept the burden or consequences of
took the blame
h
: to have or assume as a proper part of or accompaniment to itself
transitive verbs take an object
8
a
: to secure by winning in competition
took first place
b
: DEFEAT
9
: to pick out : CHOOSE, SELECT
took the best apple
10
: to adopt, choose, or avail oneself of for use: such as
a
: to have recourse to as an instrument for doing something
take a scythe to the weeds
b
: to use as a means of transportation or progression
take the bus
c
: to have recourse to for safety or refuge
take shelter
d
: to go along, into, or through
took a different route
e
(1)
: to proceed to occupy
take a seat in the rear
(2)
: to use up (space, time, etc.)
takes a long time to dry
(3)
: NEED, REQUIRE
takes a size nine shoe
it takes two to start a fight
11
a
: to obtain by deriving from a source : DRAW
takes its title from the name of the hero
b
(1)
: to obtain as the result of a special procedure : ASCERTAIN
take the temperature
take a census
(2)
: to get in or as if in writing
take notes
take an inventory
(3)
: to get by drawing or painting or by photography
take a snapshot
(4)
: to get by transference from one surface to another
take a proof
take fingerprints
12
: to receive or accept whether willingly or reluctantly
take a bribe
will you take this call
take a bet
: such as
a
(1)
: to submit to : ENDURE
take a cut in pay
(2)
: WITHSTAND
it will take a lot of punishment
(3)
: SUFFER
took a direct hit
b
(1)
: to accept as true : BELIEVE
I'll take your word for it
(2)
: FOLLOW
take my advice
(3)
: to accept or regard with the mind in a specified way
took the news hard
you take yourself too seriously
c
: to indulge in and enjoy
was taking his ease on the porch
d
: to receive or accept as a return (as in payment, compensation, or reparation)
we don't take credit cards
e
: to accept in a usually professional relationship —often used with on
agreed to take him on as a client
f
: to refrain from hitting at (a pitched ball)
take a strike
13
a
(1)
: to let in : ADMIT
the boat was taking water fast
(2)
: ACCOMMODATE
the suitcase wouldn't take another thing
b
: to be affected injuriously by (something, such as a disease) : CONTRACT
take cold
also : to be seized by
take a fit
take fright
c
: to absorb or become impregnated with (something, such as dye)
also : to be effectively treated by
a surface that takes a fine polish
14
a
: APPREHEND, UNDERSTAND
how should I take your remark
b
: CONSIDER, SUPPOSE
I take it you're not going
c
: RECKON, ACCEPT
taking a stride at 30 inches
d
: FEEL, EXPERIENCE
take pleasure
take an instant dislike to someone
take offense
15
a
: to lead, carry, or cause to go along to another place
this bus will take you into town
took an umbrella with her
b
: to cause to move to a specified state, condition, or sphere of activity
took the company public
took his team to the finals
c
: to invite and accompany (someone)
She took me to the movies.
He took her on a date.
They took the kids to the movies.
—often + out
He took her out to dinner.
d
: to stop prescribing a specified regimen to —used with off
took him off the medication
16
a
: REMOVE
take eggs from a nest
b
(1)
: to put an end to (life)
(2)
: to remove by death
was taken in his prime
c
: SUBTRACT
take two from four
d
: EXACT
the weather took its toll
17
a
: to undertake and make, do, or perform
take a walk
take aim
take legal action
take a test
take a look
b
: to participate in
take a meeting
18
a
: to deal with
take first things first
b
: to consider or view in a particular relation
taken together, the details were significant
especially : to consider as an example
take style, for instance
c
(1)
: to apply oneself to the study of
take music lessons
take French
(2)
: to study for especially successfully
taking a degree in engineering
took holy orders
19
: to obtain money from especially fraudulently
took me for all I had
20
: to pass or attempt to pass through, along, or over
took the curve too fast
take the stairs two at a time
intransitive verb
1
: to obtain possession: such as
a
: CAPTURE
b
: to receive property under law as one's own
2
: to lay hold : CATCH, HOLD
3
: to establish a take especially by uniting or growing
90 percent of the grafts take
4
a
: to betake oneself : set out : GO
take after a purse snatcher
b
chiefly dialectal —used as an intensifier or redundantly with a following verb
took and swung at the ball
5
a
: to take effect : ACT, OPERATE
hoped the lesson he taught would take
b
: to show the natural or intended effect
dry fuel takes readily
6
: CHARM, CAPTIVATE
a taking smile
7
: DETRACT
8
: to be seized or attacked in a specified way : BECOME
took sick
taker noun
see also TAKE A BACK SEAT, TAKE A BATH, TAKE ACCOUNT OF, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, TAKE AFTER, TAKE A HIKE, TAKE AIM AT, TAKE APART, TAKE A POWDER, TAKE CARE, TAKE CARE OF, TAKE CHARGE, TAKE EFFECT, TAKE EXCEPTION, TAKE FIVE, TAKE FOR, TAKE FOR GRANTED, TAKE FORM, TAKE HEART, TAKE HOLD, TAKE IN VAIN, TAKE ISSUE, TAKE IT ON THE CHIN, TAKE KINDLY TO, TAKE NO PRISONERS, TAKE-NO-PRISONERS, TAKE NOTICE, TAKE ONE'S TIME, TAKE PART, TAKE PLACE, TAKE ROOT, TAKE SHAPE, TAKE SHIP, TAKE THE CAKE, TAKE THE COUNT, TAKE THE FLOOR, TAKE THE MICKEY (OUT OF SOMEONE), TAKE THE PLUNGE, TAKE TO, TAKE TO COURT, TAKE TO TASK, TAKE TO THE CLEANERS, TAKE TURNS
take
2 of 2
noun
1
: a distinct or personal point of view, outlook, or assessment
was asked for her take on recent developments
also : a distinct treatment or variation
a new take on an old style
2
: an act or the action of taking: such as
a
(1)
: the uninterrupted photographing or televising of a scene
(2)
: the making of a sound recording
b
: the action of killing, capturing, or catching something (such as game or fish)
3
: something that is taken:
a
: the amount of money received : PROCEEDS, RECEIPTS, INCOME
b
: SHARE, CUT
wanted a bigger take
c
(1)
: a scene filmed or televised at one time without stopping the camera
(2)
: a sound recording made during a single recording period
especially : a trial recording
d
: the number or quantity (as of animals, fish, or pelts) taken at one time : CATCH, HAUL
e
: a section or installment done as a unit or at one time
4
a
: a local or systemic reaction indicative of successful vaccination (as against smallpox)
b
: a successful union (as of a graft)
5
: a visible response or reaction (as to something unexpected)
a delayed take
Phrases
on the take
: illegally paid for favors
Oh yes! I forgot that the specific word was "seaweed" and not "algae." I still fail at vocabulary, and this was one of the "basic words," or at least they tend to be so. If I use "algae" the context will not be understood.
Miso soup is tasty and awesome, I really enjoy this Japanese dish. Yet, my next challenge is to eat it in the morning, with breakfast.
Quoting BC
Quoting BC
This is the sense I tried to use when I wrote: "I take miso soup" for breakfast because I grab the bowl and then, I eat the soup. Maybe this is not a good excuse at all for my grammar error, but my imagination has flown.
This happens in public transport too. When I pick up a train, I say: "I take the train each morning to go to my job," despite the fact that I don't grab it as my possession.
There are very well educated native English speakers and writers who turn out perfectly "correct" English but whatever they intended to say is buried in gobbledygook [slang word]. Gobbledygook, coined by Maury Maverick in the early 1940s, means, in his words, “talk or writing which is long, pompous, vague, involved, usually with Latinized words.” It can also refer to any long discourse, even one with simple words, if those words are repeated repeatedly, over and over again, numbingly.
Your English does not suffer from gobbledygook, unlike some professional writers.
And in fact, you made no error in that usage.
He didn't, and while non-standard, it was quaint. If I heard that in regular conversation, I wouldn't think him non-native, but maybe older with more limited contact with modern usage.
Your English is spectacularly good and I have to say I make mistakes often and I was born in an English speaking country.
Here in Australia we might say:- "I take the train... I ride the train.. I get the train... I catch the train" - all of these in common usage.
What in the sweet satan...
Although millions of people like to say that English is uniquely flexible, I suspect it’s bollocks, having no support from linguistics, though I could be wrong. I know you didn’t say uniquely, by the way.
My guess is that every language can equally well express anything required of it, but that there are more or less flexible aspects or dimensions of a language. For example, word order in English is very rigid, whereas in Russian it often matter doesn’t.
(Please, nobody reply with links unless you find some real linguistics)
@Baden What’s your take?
I find English the most understandable of the languages. Most others are gibberish.
That's because Russian is an inflected language and English, for the most part, is not. Inflected languages depend on word endings (inflections); uninflected languages depend on word order.
Quoting Jamal
Absolutely. But some language-creators have a smaller field of experiences. They lived in isolated geographic areas and the range of actions, objects, and relationships was narrower. This is not a bug -- it's a feature. Anglo-Saxons and their language came out of a small field of experiences. Crossing the English Channel (which couldn't be called that when they crossed it) widened their horizons slightly. Then missionaries from Rome, convicts with the natives, and such like widened their horizons a bit. Being invaded by the Normans and Danes inseminated Anglo-Saxon with still another culture, language, and set of lord/vassal relationships--not to give undue credit to the French. They will give that to themselves. In time the Anglo-Saxons became more sophisticated and eventually conquered 1/4 of the planet's people. This enriched the English and the English language literally, literarily, and figuratively.
Had the Yanomami people of the Amazon forests taken over the early European settlements in SA and gone on to conquer 1/4 of the world, then their culture and language would have been massively augmented.
"Yes, I heard the news, I caught the news, I read the news, I got the news about your train ride."
With all that redundancy I am surprised the Aussies get anything done.
Well yeah, that’s pretty much what I said.
Quoting Hanover
This is my perception too.
Quoting Tom Storm
Thank you. I really appreciate your kind words about my English grammar skills. But the job is not done yet, and I want to keep learning and improving my grammar. I am aware that I have a good understanding of English, but if I take the TOEFL exam, I will fail because of grammar... but who knows? When I finished my university, I ended up with a C1 level of English, but there is even an upper step: C2 for those who understand native "fast" without problems.
I wish I have a similar level in Japanese. At least in the listening to Japanese or recognizing Kanji writings! :lol:
It is your native language, dude... it is obvious that you find it understandable. On the contrary, I see Spanish as more understandable because of our use of genders and conjugations of verbs. It is about perspective and each individual. Everything is related to English because it is the worldwide language and it has been taught to us since we were kids. So, we are used to using and listening to the language. If you were used to using Spanish every day, you would say that it is an understandable language too and not "gibberish."
And so should we all! Does the TOEFL exam ask specific questions about grammar (like, "What is the difference between a transitive and intransitive verb?" or "In there a gerund and participle in this sentence? 'Do you mind my asking you why you are eating burnt toast for lunch?'"
Truth: I have not thought about gerunds and participles for a long time. I had to look it up.
Give it a try. I bet whatever you can easily understand her.
As much as I remember, the grammar part is about writing an "essay" about the topic established by the exam and very complex phrases where something goes wrong and you have to notice the error.
Since I agreed with the comment you were replying to, I feel I should point out that Hanover was joking. It might take you more than a few years to get used to his sense of humour.
:gasp: :yikes:
I am so sorry. I feel ashamed about my pedantry.
You guys never use emojis, so I cannot be sure when you are joking or not!
When your style of humour is what is known as “dry”, using emojis (or TC’s joke tags) tends to undermine it.
English has the largest vocab but its grammar as you pointed out isn't particularly flexible. And languages work so that they become coextensive with cultural functioning. So the fact that English may be more flexible than the language of some Amazon tribe re, for example, advanced mathematics may be true but not of any significance if they don't require that function in their culture.
Link:
Do you know why I love using emojis? exactly, because those were created by a Japanese folk. :flower: :cool:
:grin:
OMG! What's the world coming to, if we have to include emojis in our writing or else we'll be misunderstood. Is the emoji the written form of inflection?
Edit: I forgot the ? after misunderstood. Does it still look like a question without that inflection signifier?
My mom: Hey, what was the name of that folk with clothes both red and white?... "Wallet"?
Me: I guess you are referring to Wally from Where's Wally? Children's book. Because wallet means monedero, and Wally is a diminutive of Walter.
My mom: Yes, that damn cartoon book we bought when you were a kid.
Haha funny my mom misunderstood the word wallet with Wally :cool: :eyes:
I understood her better when I read the subtitles. Before I read what she was saying, I did pick up that she was reading a grocery list because her cadence sounded like she was reciting a list and I understood "pan" for bread and the closeness to English of tomato and potato, so I got that, but I really think I treated her like she was speaking very broken English and so I figured it out. Whether that is understanding Spanish or not, I don't know.
Excellent. As I thought, you are able to understand her, and that is cool. What I try to prove with this experiment is that we can understand each other with some basic effort. Our languages come from Latin, and the syntax is similar. If the language were Japanese or Greek, the understanding would be complex. These languages do not have many similarities to our vocabulary or syntax.
It was a poem.
Mom was schizophrenic
Bad genes took a toll
Dad died at 51
under a cruel dark sol
I agree, but I found I was hurting people's feelings too often if I didn't use them on posts where I might be misinterpreted.
The problem is that you're not funny, so you just now make mean comments with a smiling emoji as if that helps.
The key to replicating the Waffle House hashbrowns is to reconstitute dehydrated shredded potatoes.
That's what she said.
The eggs add too much colour.
The presentation leaves much to be desired. Ugly, sickly green plate. Failed Fiesta ware™ design? Sticky greasy mats. Messy plating. Get rid of it. Otherwise it's just perfect.
Hire an actual cook or just eat at the Waffle House all the time.
In Georgia, they put the same gravy they put on biscuits and chicken fried, hamburg, or salisbury steaks instead of syrup on their waffles. You make it with a tablespoon of flour, a cup of water, and two tablespoons of lard. For hamburg steaks, you cook it longer till it burns and turns dark brown.
It's hard to say where the line goes, but subjecting yourself to boredom has a benefit. The benefit from the tedium of performing long division however (during, e.g. huge engineering projects), is greatly overshadowed by the downside of how much time it would take.
The problem with AI is that it is only going to continue taking away more and more boring work. Calculators are a static technology as far as I am aware. To allow AI to stake out a larger and larger role in your intellectual efforts is to start down the slippery slope of eventually relinquishing the motivation to do the any of things that previously kept your mind modestly stimulable and sharp. We are undergoing the destruction of our attention span due to our ever-growing need for high-intensity stimulation, fueled by the applications that prey on it. I fear chatbots will become one of those applications.
Or maybe I am just experiencing the fear of unknown? I am not exactly in the age bracket for experiencing that in regards to society, but I guess anyone is susceptible to it (especially when the changes are this drastic).
I have done boring work (for pay) and while I was doing it, I kept thinking "Why are we doing this crap?" Computers really should be a) working out the details of final exam time and room scheduling; b) ordering the next semester's textbooks (not choosing, just the paper for); and the like. That was 25 years ago. Even more so today.
40 years ago (give or take a few) computers and scanners started ringing up groceries and keeping track of inventory. Much better than doing that by hand.
I understand that people need jobs to earn a living (not to find fulfillment, meaning in life, or some highfalutin thing like that), and shifting task to computers takes jobs off the market. There are are many people who need boring manual work and are not going to become "creatives" and "disruptors".
We COULD preserve boring jobs. The trouble with that is that it is uncompetitively inefficient. We could pay people for doing nothing IF jobs they can do have been taken away. We can let people rot if they can't keep up. Capitalists are likely to prefer that last option because it externalizes the problem: X people can't work; they starve; what's the problem?
So, my breakfast: a big slice of whole wheat bread with a piece of tofu and virgin olive oil.
HAPPILY, there is something you CAN do about it.
a) become mindful of how media sucks us in. This isn't always obvious; it can be a subtle process. But get familiar with it.
b) Sharply reduce television time. You might think that's old school; it is, but in the old school they were sucking in our attention too. A lot of television programs consist of many rapid edits; there's no time to be bored, because any given edit is only a few seconds long. Plus, a lot of television is STILL a vast wasteland of crap,
c) Reduce your exposure to Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube, Tumbler, and the like. These applications use very effective aggressive methods to keep you looking at the screen longer than you intended, and at stuff you may not have desired to look at. Knowing this is not, in itself, protection. You have to leave this stuff alone most of the day, Read more books. Talk to more people face to face, without either of you double-timing each other by watching your cell screens.
d) Find some hobbies dealing directly with the real, concrete world.
Do these things and your attention span will stretch out, again,
Can we use slightly rancid lard? It's hot out, and it's 3 blocks to the corner store. That's a long way to walk, Jim.
That would probably be better. More authentic.
Los ángeles descienden portando grandes cubos de tofu tambaleante.
The epitaph I wish for when my life will be finished.
Can I make this smaller...
When I want to do that, I decrease the size of the image using zoom out. Then I do a cutout of the smaller image using the snip function (Shift-Windows Button-S on my computer). I save the file and then upload it.
Using the TPF functionality or tags, I don't think so--which means you have to download it, resize it yourself, then upload it to here.
Thanks - a bit of a shame.
Anyway, thought I'd ask.
It only took four minutes.
Green! One of my favourite colors! This update is due to spring chill vibes, right? :flower: :cool:
One vote of approval is enough for me. The green stays!
:clap: :100:
Funny because your profile picture is a flowerpot itself. :flower:
The button colour doesn't look right though, so maybe I'll try something else.
It's chromium oxide green.
"Chromium oxide was referred to as viridian when it was first discovered. It earned its name from its chemical composition, which is 55.4% chromium, 42.5% oxygen, and 2.1% hydrogen. The official pigment code of hydrated chromium sesquioxide is Pigment Green 18 (Colour Index 77289)."
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It’s hard being viridian. But I have my tablet in permanent dark invert mode. So this morning, it was like “oohh, red banners!” :hearts:
How about a slogan to put beneath the forum name? Hmm... like “Do Philosophy (all night long)” or “Philosophmoric Musings” or “Philosophy, bitchez!” or... :razz:
Ooo... don’t tell me... I’ve been studying Spanish...
Does it mean: “I’ve been playing the tabla in Los Angeles while eating cubes of tofu”??? :nerd:
As for me, I look funny and smell funny. Two out of three for the win baby!!
No :smile: it literally means what @BC said previously about tofu: Angels descend bearing large cubes of wobbling bean curd.
Angels: Los ángeles. (I think you have related it to the Californian city)
Descend: descienden.
Bearing large cubes of wobbling bean curd: portando grandes cubos de tofu tambaleante.
Thanks for letting us know. I thought I might have had a stroke.
If I remember correctly, he left the forum to work in Trumps 2020 campaign.
Keep on it!
¡Vamos, vamos, vamos!
Not Kappa, Kermit.
Rumor had it he became a monk.
The logo font, a heavy script face, is too informal. Font discussions tend to get tedious fast, and I don't care one way or the other all that much, but simpler, sans serif fonts tend to be less annoying in the long run, even for logos, which appear as objects rather than in the text face. As an object, the current logo uses two fonts from different families – the (bold, blocky, all caps) + philosophy forum (bold, informal script). I don't see any aesthetic value in that. And then the headings that follow are in a third font – all caps, sans serif, bold. The headings are fine. It's the logo that is the problem.
Great. Now we have sleet! Just the thing. Fucking weather.
Looks good, thought I was tripping for a few seconds - bad sleep.
You may have disclosed your political views though...
:smirk:
Hecataeus of Miletus’ Map
(reconstruction)
Neat. No Australia or Americas or, well, much of it all, though. But India was known. :)
I don't know if that made sense.
It did. Handy, that bit.
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I just turned your post into a link. I've taken the knowledge you've given me and turned it into shit.
And I'll do it again if you give me the chance.
Thanks for the map. I'll keep it in my glove box in the event my GPS goes out
We have scalding water pellets from the sky, blistering our skin, leaving us looking like ancient plague ridden Egyptians, just in time for Passover.
I've been doing the Japanese bath thing where you take a shower first and then soak in a 110 degree tub. I listened to Brian Eno while soaking.
It's awesome.
Do you use the shower water to fill the tub and soak in your used washings to save on the water bill?
If not, it's something to think about.
Like @Noble Dust, I can’t remember if Fred is your dog or your son.
I do. Then I use it to wash my car and I put the drippings in the bird bath.
There's a phrase that people sometimes use around here in Massachusetts - "Shit the bed," which is a vulgar way of saying that someone has died. I don't know if it's used anywhere else. When I first saw your message, I thought Fred had died.
Why did you confuse the word ate for shit?
In Georgia, we have a term for really smart people. We call them shit for brains. Or, as you might say, ate for brains.
So, you admit I'm really smart.
Fred eats beds, and shit as it turns out. My son eats crows and ham chunks. I eat colorful eggs, but that might be a sarcastic way of saying not colorful eggs.
That's the problem with sarcasm. You never know what people are really saying, so just pick the interpretation that keeps you from crying
When I was a child in Vaginikistan, my grandmother would wait in line for days for a single drop of water, which she would place gently beneath her coarse woolen brassiere so that baby Igoroskoskyowich could suckle the dampness off her raw gnarled uni-breast.
On her final water journey, she fell down an embankment and was stomped by the villagers who mistook her for a beaten child. It is custom in those parts to stomp previously beaten children.
The baby died as well. His lips parched and shriveled, like the inside of elderly genitalia as he missed his expected ration.
Maybe you can see now why I suggested you treasure your water, but it doesn't seem like care about anyone but yourself.
Where I come from, this shade of green is associated with football (Celtic), religion (Catholic), or ancestry (Irish). I used to live in a public housing estate where the council would come round to paint the front doors, offering blue for Protestants, green for Catholics, and red for anyone else.
I’ve shaken off these associations and now appreciate colours in their purity.
You mean wicked smaht.
I am glad you have enjoyed it! If I am not wrong and I properly recall, that kind of bath is called "onsen" (??) :up:
My own grandmother lived on the side of a cliff where every spring it rained so hard that everyone would hold onto tree trunks while the torrents came down and blew their feet out so they were hanging horizontally like little flags flapping in the waves. They would end up swallowing so much water they would be poofed out like jellyfish.
One year they sold my uncle to a museum where he was kept in a tank of water with sea urchins. We would visit him sometimes and my mom would put goldfish crackers in the tank for him.
Quoting javi2541997
Exactly! My tub isn't big enough, but I'm making do.
I rarely cry. I'm more of a fan of growing resentment escalating to rage and then violence.
Quoting Jamal
:up:
Breakfast: Two slices of rye bread with virgin olive oil and firm tofu (not wobbling) :cool:
*Thumbs up pic*
Lunch will be homemade chicken soup.
Dinner is not planned but may involve more chicken soup. I'll keep you updated.
You inadvertently made a good point: the logo's combination of fonts is indeed bad. To fix it I'd probably just use the big font for the "The".
My favorite part was the juxtaposition of "public housing" with "estate."
More on painting doors:
I think I was just being too British again.
housing estate noun BRITISH: a group of houses built together in a planned way, sometimes by the local government of an area in order to provide houses for people to rent or buy at a low cost
Yes, but here's what an estate is:
"An extensive area of land in the country, usually with a large house, owned by one person, family, or organization."
Housing estate sounds like a euphemism for the projects.
Quoting Hanover
Interesting. Another new thing I learned today.
Those houses are called in Spain as "VPO": Viviendas de Protección Oficial and their fit in the definition of Jamal. Each flat cannot be bigger than 90 m² and yes, they are destined for people with low income. The prices are limited too. Yet, the contest is open to whatever enterprise and they tend to use their own architecture and building plan. It is funny because that's a very Franco's era thing. Buildings recessed one after the other. In the past they were called "casas baratas", and my grandparents lived in there. The price was just 1 million pesetas.
:smile:
In the only very partially good old days, at least in France and the UK social housing was the arena for visionary architecture and experimentation in different ways of living. It was utopian and ambitious. Much of the time it didn't work out well, but it does still represent a lost future. Thus in capitalist realism some of us have a paradoxical nostalgia for the future.
In the US, housing projects were never part of a utopian ideal, but were part of a welfare system designed to provide housing to those who otherwise would be unable to afford it. Because it was seen as an option of last resort, they became synonymous with crime and urban decay. There used to be explansive mutli-storied structures in Atlanta that were eventually torn down, with the option now being more toward smaller structures and Section 8 housing, which are regular homes where the resident can receive a government subsidy to pay rent.
My son lived in town when he attended college in low income housing, although he received no subsidies, and they were beginning to tear the old apartments down as the area gentrified. NPR came by his apartment to interview him and ask him whether he thought they should reserve a certain portion for low income residents like himself, and he explained that he didn't think he'd benefit from those set asides and it would do nothing more than shift the cost to him. They quoted him entirely out of context to fit their narrative and made it look like he was upset homes were being torn down. Then he went back to eating ham chunks and crow.
As in, Johnny was being explansive when he told Betty Ann that his arousal was caused by the proximity of her thigh to his zipper.
It's hard to understand how this word has not existed until now.
And, yes, it was easier to write this entire post, go back and bold the misspelled word, and go through all of this rather than just correct it.
Scholars now theorize that Shakespeare invented new words because of spellcheck errors. (They are fringe scholars, or “cutting-edge” theorists perhaps)
Made with cockroach?
I’ve been meaning to read Kafka again. I think it was beef though.
I've been meaning to never read Kafka again. So far things are going well with my plans.
I thought it was a Hanoverian neologism.
One of my favorite words is experimience. Basically experiment with experience.
With so many people gaining experience through experiments I think this should be a valid word as well.
So, to better explain. Let's say the word "car" appears in the dictionary immediately above the word "card," then the word car now means what card used to mean.
The last word in the dictionary (I think is zzzuzzerfucker) would mean A.
So, instead of saying "A car, " you'd say "Zzzuzzerfucker card" in the new language.
The other difference is that the letter P is replaced with a standardized penis picture. This change is to add a little fun to our day.
Thoughts?
Or should I say afterthoughts? No, that's not right. Still learning this new language I guess..
For Christ's sake, the man comes up with a new word all on his own and you shoot it down by saying it's not different enough from the old words. I get holding people to standards, but this is going to stifle all creativity at a time when our stagnant language needs it the most.
A breakfast cannot be boring, it is the most important meal of the day! :up:
No. The most important meal of the day is the bowl of Cheerios and milk I eat at 2:00 am before I go to bed.
No, it was quite advertent.
I do love a big American breakfast, which might consist of, for instance, eggs, bacon, hash browns, toast, and maybe a "side" of giant pancakes, which is an absurdly and loveably American euphemism. Despite this, in my day-to-day life, the size of my breakfast has shrunk as I've gotten older. These days, a weekend breakfast treat for me is a big, puffy NYC bagel, toasted with cream cheese.
I wish I can share your experience of enjoying cereals, but Cheerios don't exist in Spain. Our cereals are a mess, and they suck (most of them from France). I have never eaten cereals in the night, maybe the next time!
If you believe in evolution, or even other things, colors could reasonably have powerful psychological effects unbeknownst to those who view them.
The widely accepted theory, the most intelligent man is derived from the a uni-celled organism similar to an amoeba, creates reason to believe the sensory inputs we receive and respond or do not respond to are why we are alive today.
The color red for example. Invokes passion. The color of blood, fire, guts. It makes you pay attention. To say the least.
Purple, similar to blue invokes the mind to think and perhaps trust, some say. It is a very rare color in nature. The only natural thing I can recall would be grapes. Eggplants? Nothing is purple so it invokes the mind.
Green? The color of abundance, growth. Grass, green fields, trees. Perhaps would produce a calming effect. Familiarity.
I know psychology is not philosophy but are the two not cousins, distant if nothing else? It would be interesting to observe any potential changes in emotion, sentiment, or behavior. But I have neither the time nor reason.
Because we wanted every day to be St Patrick's Day. Happy Paddy's day!
I understand. My breakfast suffered a shrink too. Back in the day, I ate scones or cupcakes, but it is limited to rye bread with oil for now on.
I don't think I've had a scone since college. I do, however, occasionally score free croissants from the bagel shop next to my job. I just wish they'd give us more free bagels, which they used to do.
I've had squirrel. It tastes like dirty chicken.
I was a kid when I had it, so I thought it was awesome. I'll take the free bagel as always, though. Thanks.
As a child, I coaxed a squirrel to eat peanuts out of my hand, It would show up on the back step every noon in the summer when we were on the screened in back porch having dinner. I did this again 20 some years later when I had an apartment with a porch. Only at that place there were several squirrels that showed up frequently for the easy nuts.
BTW, the friendly squirrel wasn't the one that ended up in the pan. That one was hunted out in the woods. Also, the Joy of Cooking has instructions for cooking squirrel (p. 524-525). Sadly, it doesn't make a recommendation for which wine to pair with squirrel stew.
???????(Itadakimasu) thank you for the food BC! :flower: :up:
I wouldn't over romanticize American breakfast cereal. I like Cheerios and Rice Krispies with milk. Have you ever tried them? As I say, I like them, but they're nothing to get excited about.
No they do not, experimentation implies search for information, experience implies having it.
Quoting Hanover
Thank you, it is nice to see that there are still people around that appreciate creativity.
Quoting Jamal
Pickiness implies jealousy, go find your own word. And biscuits break, cookies crumble. :wink:
If you eat it for breakfast, we call it a muffin. It's really a cupcake, but we don't want people to think we're pigs. Muffins don't generally have icing, but if they did, we'd still call them muffins in the morning.
Yes, Rice Krispies exist here. I tried them and I like the taste. If I correctly remember, the milk turned brown when I put the cereal in the bowl. Are you referring to this, right?
Quoting T Clark
I see! Thanks for pointing it out. Another trick for English vocabulary that I just learned.
My recommendation is to leave the wine out on the counter top, preferably in the summer with no air conditioning, for roughly 5 days.
No. Rice Krispies are mostly just puffed rice with no flavoring and not much sugar.
I call my trend Nouveau Yehudea, which means newjew.
Is that the recipe?
Yup, plus some crushed tomatoes with garlic & onion powder, basil, oregano, pepper, and a dash of sugar.
Good one.
A fine, chilled 5-month old Budweiser would pair nicely!
If I were Jewish, I don't know whether I'd be a nova'brew or a paleo'brew.
BTW, do you play a jew's harp? I mean, if you had a harp, that's what it would be. The kind you put the back end in your mouth with the business end sticking out, and you twang on the little wire. In difficulty it ranks just below the Triangle.
Rice Krispies. What taste?
In fact, many American breakfast cereals are disgusting. Shredded Wheat, Cheerios, Puffed Wheat, Puffed Rice, Kix, Special K, All Bran, etc. have either almost no flavor or, once chewed upon while dry and mixed with saliva, have a decidedly factory-product affect. It's only with milk and sugar that they become palatable. Mostly what they consist of is flour and nutrition supplement.
Don't take me the wrong way -- I readily eat this crap like most Americans. We believe hope like to think are deluded that they are nutritious and wholesome. Ready-to-eat breakfast food makes perfectly adequate rat chow, so it probably is nutritious.
Love Cheerios:
Quoting Wikipedia
It's my understanding the tripotassium phosphate is what gives it that oaty phosphate Cheerios flavor.
I've had porridge a few times, mainly for dinner, with a spoonful of honey. I've managed to get through my entire life so far without ever eating any requisite Kelloggs or Uncle Toby's cereal type shit. I saw Corn Flakes at a friend's place when I was a kid and it looked like wood chips floating in a pool of milk.
It's low on the glycemic index, and it gives me big muscles.
Corn flakes are also good, but you should try Kellogg's Frosted Flakes - corn flakes with a glaze of sugar. Too sweet for me now, but when I was a kid, boy howdy. Or what is that Australian exclamation of pleasure you use sometimes?
Can't remember. Bonza? I hate sugary things and I haven't had breakfast since the mid-1980's, so I fear it's too late for me. I used to like toasted sandwiches with hot salami and tomato, or scrambled eggs. When I drank booze, I used to have a kind of breakfast at 2pm. A litre of coffee, a bloody Mary, sausages and eggs. The only pleasure I allow myself these days is the litre of coffee... and the occasional knee trembler...
I have had my fun, if I never get well no more .... (Howling Wolf)
It is surprising oatmeal isn't available in cans. Open, scoop, microwave 30 seconds, add cream and sugar. Ditto for millet. They now sell cooked wild rice in cans. Spaghetti and meatballs have been in cams for 60 years. Some people eat Franco-American Spaghetti direct from the can, cold. Gag me with a spoon!
Some days, toast is too much trouble -- never mind pancakes. Did you know toaster pancakes are now a thing?
On the other hand, I think that we do not have the real American cereals in our markets. This is due to the rigid regulation of food. The same way happens to Coca-Cola. The taste is not the same here, because in Europe it is mandatory to reduce the portions of sugar.
Quoting Jamal
But I want to be like my favorite anime characters, can I? :cry:
Here we call them a nap. I discovered naps about 25 years ago. They are a powerful way to turn one day into two. The dizziness or odd feeling goes if you persist with them. Like any practice, the nap requires cultivation. I can have a two hour nap in the afternoon and do another day's work with new energy and focus.
I disagree. Especially in Spain where the meal times and working hours are so unusual.
Quoting javi2541997
Sure, but if that means you feel ashamed just for staying in bed a bit longer than usual, I question your choice of role model. :wink:
Quoting Jamal
I think we are perceiving naps so differently. Here it is taken after lunch, just for a supposed recovery. Our timetable is a mess, as Jamal pointed out, and I am aware that even some compatriot folks eat at 15:30 or even 16:00, which is crazy! You see naps as an act to recover energy and focus. But here it is seen the other way around, and it is the "negative" prejudices in Spanish society. We sleep a lot, while the Germans work hard.
Quoting Jamal
It will not happen again! I do promise! :cry:
I take mine after lunch for recovery. I was simply commenting on your feeling dizzy reference and how useful naps are. I make no comment about any other cultural constructions which have nothing much to do with the usefulness of napping and what it feels like to wake up after them. :wink:
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I see! call me a weirdo but I feel that if I do so, I will regret such an act (taking the nap, I mean). It is the same pitiful feeling I am having this morning. My lazy [s]ass[/s] has woken up later than it is mandatory! a shame for me!
I deserve a punishment. For example: sweeping up the floor of my house, and now I'm going to do so!
Well said sir
[sup]— Paul Sutter · Ars Technica · Jan 27, 2023[/sup]
I always thought calling it "theory of everything" was ... optimistic. :)
Physicists have rewritten the famous first law of thermodynamics
[sup]— Science Daily · Feb 26, 2023[/sup]
Quantum Mechanics Helps Physicists Pull Energy Out of Thin Air as Evident in Two Separate Experiments
[sup]— Margaret Davis · Science Times · Feb 27, 2023[/sup]
... Weeell, sort of.
Wouldn't it be neat to no longer have to worry about energy from fossil fuels (or other such sources)?
Well Marie Kondo has admitted to becoming somewhat lax and even sloppy (!!!) lately after having children, so... you have the blessing of a domestic goddess. :nerd:
Oh good! For a moment, I thought the bowl was an orange five-gallon bucket from Home Depot. :sweat:
Sure bro you do you. :point: :point:
Another personal advantage to take care of! :grin:
Quoting Noble Dust
To be honest, eating eggs for breakfast is one of the most practical and intelligent things to do in the morning. Each egg contains: 6 grams of protein, vitamin A, vitamin B12, and vitamin D.
????? :up:
:lol:
Dan Reeder is a... n unconventional folk/something singer who lives in Norway. He has a song, "Angels May" that begs to differ.
Quoting Dan Reeder - Angels May
@javi2541997's body is Spanish, but his soul is Japanese.
Lions and Tigers and Bears sleep a lot too, and they're the mightiest of animals. Cats and old men too.
What a great idea! I wish I'd thought of that. five boxes of Cheerios and two gallons of whole milk. And a big spoon.
What a beautiful statement. You made my day, friend. :flower:
I used to eat scrambled eggs everyday because they were cheap, but I got so sick of them I found them revolting. It took awhile, but I can eat them in scrambled form again, but preferably on a sandwich. Fried eggs are my new thing.
Have you actually been a soccer mom this whole time? What model of minivan do you drive?
Eggs are the perfect food. Always in the refrigerator. Easy to cook 75 different ways, each of which has a different taste, feel, or both. Hard boiled they make egg salad, which is what God eats for lunch at least once a week. Poached, baked, sunnyside up, over easy, scrambled, omelets, and my favorite - soft boiled.
Quick, easy recipe for soft boiled eggs. Impossible to mess up:
When my brother and I went to Europe together, every place we stayed had a great continental breakfast - breads and pastries, sliced meat and cheese, coffee or tea. The only hot food they served was soft boiled eggs. A fond memory. Over there we ate them in egg cups. Generally here I take the shells off and put them all together in a bowl. Butter, salt, pepper, buttered toast. Mmmmmmm.
It's been a few years since the kids played soccer, but we had a Mercury Villager.
Quoting T Clark
If you have farm fresh eggs that haven't had the anti-bacterial coating steamed off, you don't have to refrigerate your eggs. Refrigerated eggs is an American thing.
Quoting T Clark
Were you there with Uncle Peter and my son Fred? And I thought you ate meatballs, not eggs.
I'm trying to keep all these people and stories straight.
The French word for "egg" is "meatball." The Italian word for "meatball" is "egg." It's ironic.
Poached is actually my favorite preparation, being a fancy boy. Eggs Benedict is my favorite breakfast meal. With hash browns, coffee, and orange juice. I probably already said that at some point. Oh well.
I like poached a lot, but I'm not very good a cooking them. Soft boiled is actually pretty similar in taste and texture. I like eggs Benedict too, but even more eggs Florentine. I love spinach. My mother and my wife both made/make great hollandaise sauce, which is what God eats on everything when he's not having egg salad.
Oh I've never even bothered trying. It's a treat when I eat out for breakfast.
Quoting T Clark
Same here.
I always liked over easy because I'm impatient, but then, about 30% of the time I broke one of the yolks. I've started making them sunnyside up. I guess I've become more patient.
Same here, but with a glass lid over them to cook the top 1.5 mm layer of yolk in the steam from the water that comes out of the eggs.
An honourable endeavour. :up:
Cheers :smile: Wanted to get some good old fashioned family-friendly humour in before Hanover appears on the page and corrupts it with his perversions. l'll consider making such interventions a continual public service.
What was it that you did to your eggs? It was prodding or probing them or something?
Funny you should say that because I don't drink coffee. Ever. This just proves there is an exception to every rule.
Funny you should say that because I just slipped in your mother's feces and bruised your father's erection.
I don't know much, but I know hashbrowns. That and bread. I'm a bread guy.
Yes, I was going to announce this. Also (no pressure) feel free to use he/him. (You can also use 'it' 'cuz I'm Darwinian Eh Eye).
I’ve heard good things about The Magus. You read that?
Why do you ask people if they read what you just wrote?
Read that?
I'm the freak that hashes a potato into my grill to make hashbrowns. (technically, they are much more brown -- just, like, all over)
Splain that. The potatoes go directly into the flame?
I use a cast iron skillet for basically everything so in this case, I use it as a grill in the first sense.
Et tu Brute? :sad:
Did you notice the “that that” and “you you”, in a single short sentence? I was pleased with that. Still am.
Almost banned for sockpuppeting :lol:
Now I just use the cast iron, like a noob. :D -- but to be fair, I'm not really into cooking anymore so for most anything it really is an all-purpose pan.
Sure done did notice it, but not until you done did point it out
I’ve done it and it works. However, as I’m not the kind of person who always has cheese cloth just lying around (hate those people) I use my palms and fingers, i.e., hands, and it works out also well.
I love kitchens too! :starstruck:
Plaque vs Plague ? I be confused.
It's one of my favorite books. Magical realism. The protagonist and the reader are never quite sure what is happening, whether things are real or an illusion intentionally orchestrated by residents of the Greek island where it takes place. A bit Midsummer Night's Dreamish. A long book with lots going on. Philosophical, I guess, if you want it to be, but also just fun.
One of the books I've read twice, but it's been more than 20 years. I should probably read it again. It's one of my daughter's favorite books too.
I hope it won't reduce your sense of accomplishment, but note I've edited your text above.
If you are being subjected to a dental cleaning, is the plague of plaque.
A new curse: "Thick plaque on all your teeth! Especially if it requires deep cleaning where the masked S&M practitioner scrapes the roots of your teeth, one by one, again and again."
Just remember - Crest has been shown to be an effective decay-preventative dentifrice that can be of significant value when used in a conscientiously applied program of oral hygiene and regular professional care.
It would reduce my sense of accomplishment only if you had fixed a mistake.
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How about this?
Reading is a voluntary submission into hard determinism, and for that I say it can fuck right off.
[sup]— Gary C Peters, Geoffrey Starks · The Hill · Apr 6, 2023[/sup]
Propaganda on the US part? (State-sponsored?) A justified or genuine concern? ... Well, what do you think?
Someone I know in the industry confirms that Huawei hardware remains good quality for the price; that part is fine at least, but isn't so relevant for the topic of the article. As an aside, Huawei being Chinese makes China capitalist in part (state-backed); old observation I guess.
Happy Easter, if you do such a thing. :)
Has anyone heard from @ArguingWAristotleTiff recently?
The stuff on our teeth. :grimace: First imagine painting a flag black. Now paint it plaque. It's a weird inside joke thing.
Try Finnegans Wake. Eternal return of the shame. Is it possible to print the book properly, so that there's always a next page ? I think Sonic Youth made a record once that got caught in a loop at the end, on The Diamond Sea ?
Quoting jorndoe
Jesus Christ, I didn’t even know it was Good Friday. Happy Easter. Where I am they’re doing Ramadan right now, so I’ll also add Ramadan Mubarak.
Quoting Jamal
Speaking of Whom... You live in Europe so perhaps there were no utility-grade-chocolate rabbits and marshmallow Peeps to indicate that a major religious event in the Christian year was about to happen. Probably no matzo meal promotion either to remind you of Passover,
There was a beautiful big yellow full moon rising over the world Thursday night.
That it also infests the tongue is even better for my trope. The flag is a coated tongue ! I enjoyed the anecdote. Funny thing, her wanting to mention that like taking a tiny little pleasure in her position...
Currently in Central Asia, or Inner Asia as it used to be called. No chocolate rabbits but we had the moon here too.
Happy Easter, Ramadan, and Passover then. Any I’m missing?
???, or "Cherry Blossom Viewing", It is a ceremony that we enjoy watching the cherry trees bloom. A welcome to spring time. Beautiful and poetic. :up:
Passover and Easter are both 'moveable feasts' scheduled ib the basis of the sun and the moon's motion. They periodically coincide. Ramadan is also a moveable feast. it seems to move around a lot.
32nd Street in the Longfellow neighborhood where I live is lined with blossoming crab apple trees. They are pink and white--not as exquisite as your cherry blossoms. Because of Minnesota's erratic weather, the blossoms quite often don't last 15 minutes. In a good year, they blossom and last, then the street is covered with white and pink petals for a couple of days. Also lovely. It's still too early for the blossoms here. Early May.
Dirty old snow and ice is the more typical scene in Minnesota this year.
Seems quite late for blossom but then I know nothing about crab apple trees or the delightful Longfellow district.
In the garden in Spain the almonds blossom in January, and some trees are blossoming here in Almaty as I write. Apples? Cherries? We’ll never know.
That snow is what Moscow looked like last month.
Do not worry! The important aspect of this ceremony is the connection of the soul with nature. We have cherry trees in Madrid too. They are white and pink (as are yours).
It is so pretty when the leaves of the cherry tree start to drop... seems like I am in a Japanese painting of the Middle Ages
The cure for that is coffee and a cigar. Burn it off with the tip of your cigar, then sip your coffee to show you just don't care. As well as impressing the ladies with your bravery and nonchalance, you are left with an unusually clean tongue with which to serenade them. Many a beautiful woman have I seduced with such tactics. (Until I ran out of tongue from cigar burn erosion. Was worth it though.)
Read your Bible. Jesus rose the day the Jews fled Egypt and was there to walk them across the sea because he could walk on water. Then he washed all their feet, using that same water.
Then came the rabbits. All the rabbits. So many rabbits. Eggs too. Colorful ones. A desert filled with candy eggs. A desert of desserts. The word similalirity is because of that. Many languages were spoken, but English was the understandable one.
The Jews only got matzoh though. Baked cardboard. Always getting screwed.
I’ve had matzoh balls and thought they were great. Candy eggs or chocolate rabbits in chicken soup, not so much.
One important discussion point with eggs is cracked pepper. How much? Which color? I'm a freshly ground cracked black pepper enthusiast. I once had a roommate who was a trained chef who told me "there's no such thing as too much black pepper". I've taken that to heart and tend to agree with him. Then again, he was an unhinged pothead, weed dealer, conspiracy theorist, and new age spiritualist. And in actuality, he was an Ayurvedic chef. Our other roommate was a cripplingly shy 20 year old Russian student studying music. Unhinged Ayurvedic Roommate was convinced the kid was a Russian spy. He had no compelling evidence. I don't know why I felt compelled to tell this story. It all began with pepper...
Maybe, maybe not. It's potentially an untestable hypothesis. If we expend 100% of the known resources of black pepper and it still is not enough, the possibility exists that one more turn of the pepper grinder would have been too much, but we can't know because there's none left to test. Of course should we form a mountain of pepper on our pasta and think that it's too much, we can know that his theory is false.
My guess here is that one can reach the too much stage of pepper rather quickly and that this whole discussion is a waste of time. That's just a wild guess of course.
I like to use my grater to make lemon zest and put it in pastries, giving an extra lemony taste to all my baked goods. I've often thought, along the same lines as your former paranoid schizophrenic roommate, that you can't have too much lemon. I've not uttered those thoughts, as I realize someone might come back at me with the same well reasoned thoughts as I've noted above.
I walk therefore in the silence of lemons.
I ate two kinds of horse today. They eat it here like Westerners eat ham.
When I say two kinds of horse I mean kinds of horse meat product. One could be called horse jerky, and the other, inspired by “turkey ham”, could be called smoked horse ham.
This was actually self-deprecatory humor, evidence of my deep humilty. That you thought it was an attempt to garner sympathy and then project your dysfunctional personality on me speaks to the deep seated issues you have. That I now learn you eat horses of various types (from the dandy Tennessee Walkers to the forminable Clydsdale) comes as no surprise based upon what else I've learned today.
Of course the original Easter did coincide with Passover. That's why Jesus was in Jerusalem.
While it's actually quite common for Easter and Passover to overlap, it's been a few years since all three religions have had holidays at the same time.[/quote]
A bit of a non-story really, but I’m glad to be part of these worldwide learnings.
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It's simple; I eat black pepper by the ladle-full. Thus I can never have enough and am never satiated. I bet you don't eat lemons by the bucket-full. Check mate, atheists.
You’re so humble you can’t even spell humility [edit: or formidable].
Quoting Hanover
:yum:
Stories like this are the reason The Shoutbox came into being. Also - it's a good story.
Makes sense. As I think I've noted before, Kazakhstan is where modern horses came from.
Ahem...
Thank you. I have plenty more. The main difference between my stories and @Hanover's is that mine are true.
And rarely disturbing or disgusting. And no pictures of dolls with teeth embedded.
If you'd just tell me how to get the spell check feature working, I wouldn't have some many embarrassing misspellings. I have relied upon spell-check so long, I can no longer live my life without it.
Kinda like you and the drink.
It's game on.
:gasp:
You mention this so often that the trauma never fades.
For Easter dinner, I'm frying up a truckload of lemon-pepper chicken wings. Come on by. Everyone will leave happy.
Damn, I love lemon-pepper wings. Serve them with a side of mac salad and collards and I'm done. I done sound like a raaill southun bwoa don't I?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1321482/amp/Mans-33-year-earache-mystery-solved-doctors-pull-tooth-ear.html
Yeah, I could understand if he had been chewing on his own earhole and a tooth fell out and got stuck in there but if he had no teeth that would have been impossible. So >> mystery.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. The forum needs to be reminded on a regular basis of the horror @Hanover has let loose. Also, it's funny.
That’s an interesting point TC, but back then I asked @Hanover in a robust but minimally polite manner never to do it again, and I think my stern tone made him quake in his boots. What I’m saying is that I trust our good Hanover never to visually assault us again.
Quoting T Clark
Yes—well.
Your trust in @Hanover's behavior is endearing if perhaps... optimistic. If my references to his past shenanigans really bothers you, I'll stop.
Or like me an insomniac.
Breakfast is a Huel shake and a banana.
I had one of those things yesterday. It was actually pretty good.
Did you know that bananas were first domesticated in Kazakhstan?
If you don't regularly chew tough foods your jaws weaken and your teeth fall out. I meant to tell you this years ago but I forgot.
Well, there's the festival in honour of Eostre, from whom we get both Easter and estrogen. She is into hares and eggs, fertility stuff. Some cultural appropriation has taken place.
A time for fucking.
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It's good to know someone can relate to my weird sense of humor.
To be honest, which is the most common preface for less than honest posts, I do know that what is everyday behavior for me can be much for others, so I occasionally listen when asked to behave.
It would be easier if I had an internal compass, but lackaday I always say.
Ah yes, like real cocaine in coca-cola. They just don't make things like they used to.
Coffee and cigarettes is indeed a magical combination, but only a rare treat for me as I'm a light smoker. Back when I worked a stressful job that sometimes required early mornings, it was more regular.
And how about pipe smokers? Not many left. When the few left in Florida pass on, pipe smokers will be completely extinct in North America. The dog in your avatar looks like a pipe smoker. (You see now kids, people used to smoke a pipe with tobacco in it instead of crack. Fascinating, huh?)
A new word, for me at least. I'm more partial to "alas" but I will keep "lackaday" on the bench for when I want to be a bit more historical or, as in your case, playful. Thank you.
Or like real sugar in Coke. I've been told you can really tell the difference but I've never compared with the corn syrup we get now. They use it in Coke that's from Mexico or kosher for Passover. I should look in stores now.
My father smoked a pipe. I can smell it now in my memory. The tobacco he used was very sweet. It smelled like dried cherries.
Shame it makes you dead, slowly.
"taking a lackadaisical approach can jeopardize the success of a project"
In the mid 18th century, it meant "feebly sentimental".
"lackadaisical" is perhaps more common than lackaday.
It comes from my care free beatnik days. I got it from a Jack Kerouac line in On the Road where he said, "Oh well, lackadaddy, I was on the road again."
I looked up lackadaddy, and it wasn't a word, but it seemed to be a corruption of lackaday. So there you go daddy-0s.
And that was my creation. Daddy Zeros, not daddy Ohs. Subtle, but stinging.
Kapow! Take that you Caped Crusaders.
She was a pipe smoker, actually. The kind she really liked, the pure Virginia varieties, were kind of expensive. We tried to get her to switch to something cheaper, but she refused. She didn't like cheap dog food either. Of course, we had to hold a match for her to light the pipe, but once she got it going, she held it in her teeth like a pro. She learned how to bark without dropping it.
It was very sad when she finally died of old age, but we were relieved of the cost of her habit, plus we didn't have to vacuum up dog air and pipe ashes every day. Smoking gave her exceptionally bad breath.
I know "lackadaisical" but I'd never heard "lackaday."
You probably haven't heard "welladay", either. It was last popular in the early 18th century. It was a lament -- woe or alas. I have come across the word -- certainly not in conversation. Some 18th century novel probably.
We are close to 1,500 pages in this thread! I propose to print a book called "The Shoutbox of TPF: memorial" :smile:
Is that like wackamole?
Humans are average apes.
The cigar in its finest form centres on taste, whereas the cigarette is a vulgarity that feeds only appetite. The distinction between taste and appetite and the means and modes of their proper exercise form one element of the greater art of gentlemanship, which is sadly faded from the general conscience. Not that we are entirely lacking in exemplars yet--there may be found even here amidst the coarse furrows of the internet paradigms of the craft...
Skirting the irony of your tone in order to illume the nugget it obscures, allow me to observe that there is something to be said for apemanship in its more refined deployment. I have had the pleasure of liaising with many a first-rate simian on my multifarious wanderings and not one, I can tell you, would stoop to drawing on a Harry rag.
Indeed, most exponents of the upper echelons of canineship are.
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I am happy to be part of it, despite the fact that I usually lose my temper :grin:
I thank you for bringing that to my attention. I am gratified that I had the honour of beginning this new adventure in Shoutbox paginatoriousness with my lucubrations on the superior qualities of @BC's hound.
Quoting Baden
I will not leave this new phase of The Shoutbox; that is for granted. Ready to reach 3,000 pages? :cool:
:100: :party:
I'll get started.
The Forum didn't used to be green. The prior color has been lost to time, as no records or even faint memories exist. Many believe it used to be beige, like the walls of my home, but that's just so much guessing.
Some believe it was changed to mark the changing if the season, others because doors were green in some shtty country of some sort at some point, and others are too simple to even wonder.
I think I'll have a yogurt with nuts for breakfast. Tea, not coffee. Had sushi last night, and while well done, a bit hungry this morning
So in a sense, the banner implies the whole rest of the universe, which is the background from which it arises to play with your mind
If the entire universe were comprised of matter could we not know it for lack of something to compare it to?
And the food you prepare.
Quoting Hanover
Sushi shouldn’t be cooked well done.
Quoting javi2541997
Thank you for your invaluable contribution. If you had never joined, we almost certainly would not be on page 1500 now.
Yes.
My visual short term memory is almost non existent. I'll walk by a block in the city that I walk past semi-regularly and see that they tore a building down, and then rack my brain for what was there.
Similarly, I remember that the forum was purple before this, but I will probably forget that just as I forgot what color it was before purple, despite being initially revolted by the change. That's the other thing; I like when I change my own surroundings but not when others do. Now you know so much more about me.
I should expect the retaliation I suppose following my relentless attacks.
Quoting Jamal
I typically order it medium well, but then send it back if it's the least bit moist.
Speaking of fish, we have this Scottish restaurant in the US that serves the most delicious filet of fish with cheese.
Well tidy scran. Perfect with tatties.
I am aware of that neurological condition. The good news is that you will die within the week and not have to deal with it much longer. The other good news is you won't remember this diagnosis. The bad news is the horrible pain.
But at least most of the news is good.
Quoting Noble Dust
It is fascinating to peel back each layer of the onion that is you. I used to think you were just a word generator on my phone. Now I learn your life occurs in the vicinity of things you call buildings. I feel like I've been pulled into a Schmlosvsky novel, a non-existent author who knows of "buildings" and their appearance and disappearance.
Thank you for your kind words, friend! I am ready to reach 3,000 pages! :cool:
Quoting Hanover
You trolled me! I thought you actually made a reference to a real scottish restaurant. A lot of memories came to my mind for a second: haggis.
It's weird to me that Americans pronounce "fillet" like the French do, instead of "fill it" like we say.
American is a much more flexible language than Englandish.
Now I've got a hankering for a Mickey D"s filet of fish, but my wife tells tales of her lifelong hatred of McDonalds where her sister always made her go, and so she'd sit in the car in hungry protest, so she'll never agree to go now.
Oh well, I at least satisfied my hankering to say hankering.
It's also weird that Brits use the French "aubergine" while us common sense Americans call it like we see it: eggplant.
Not to mention your use of the American "a" in "taco".
And have you ever heard them try to pronounce banana?
I’m with you on that. I say eggplant. But “filay” is as revolting as the former colour of TPF.
Quoting Noble Dust
Don’t know what this means but I’m offended.
We all use the French-derived "beef" rather than what it is: cow.
I never had haggis:
"In 1971 it became illegal to import haggis into the US from the UK due to a ban on food containing sheep lung, which constitutes 10–15% of the traditional recipe.[28] The ban encompasses all lungs, as fluids such as stomach acid and phlegm may enter the lung during slaughter."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis
I like your can-do attitude. We need more of that around here, and less whining.
You guys say taco, like the A in back, but we say the A like the Mexicans who made that moon shaped delicacy, like the O in lot. T-ahh-koe.
I'm roasting a cow's ass in the oven right now.
Hahaha! I’m beginning to wonder if all this is actually true... She didn’t happen to play poker with other dogs, did she? That would prove it all to me without a doubt! :blush:
The American pronunciation is the international standard.
But fine: ?æ???òô is how we say it.
Why have you always banned products of Europe? I remember that you guys banned Spanish pigs and Serrano ham. A shame and I feel sad. :cry:
''Filet'' indeed; it is a curious American trait to achieve such a superficial pretentiousness to class while in substance to maintain such an absolute commitment to mediocrity.
On the other hand, you say blank mange.
I suspect German regulatory influences, but I'm guessing. We require all milk be pasteurized as well, which eliminates certain cheese. We tend to be oddly strict in food and medicine regulations, often hearing of European medications not FDA approved here.
It's hard to have all the answers demanded in the Shoutbox.
Did you know that haggis was first made in Kazakhstan using horse parts?
To be perfectly honest, the proper approach to the enunciation of words of the Anuran tongue has always been a vexed subject for the gentleman. One does not want to be unpatriotic by yielding to its anti-anglophonic eccentricities, yet one also wishes to avoid excessive nationalistic hubris in reforming them.
We leave words unchanged from their original pronunciations out of cultural respect and for a protection of diversity.
That is especially true for our French friends, who we think a true treasure.
I think this analysis is right.
Great post, but you could have said eggcentricities here for the full Easter effect.
I couldn't find Monty Python's blancmange sketch on YouTube, so I'll post this one instead. Seems appropriate.
The one about Angus Podgorny who plays tennis with a blancmange? I always liked that one but don’t often see it mentioned.
I'm just trying to figure out how far down the rabbit hole you've gone. And I say rabbit like rabbi, but like Tigger, I'm the only one.
Now that I have competition from Chat GPT in the area of funny talk, I'm trying to up my game.
Quoting Jamal
:starstruck:
I agree with your statement. A few years ago, there was a health report on cucumbers. German folks rapidly blamed us for such a problem. The issue ended up being their problem, but the damage was already done. You cannot imagine how dangerous it is to accuse a country of a lack of food safety when such a nation depends a lot on agriculture, like ours. I remember getting mad when I saw the images on TV where our farmers were destroying tons of cucumbers...
Yes, it’s a sort of euphemism to remove ourselves from what we’re eating. We don’t eat pulled pig, for instance.
I read that. It was great!
I thought it was the result of the 1066 French food imposition, where they left their words behind.
Otherwise you're left with the idea that the ancients cared about animals enough to create euphemisms.
SPOILER ALERT if you haven't read it, but it was the Germans. But you might have guessed it was them from the preface.
This German cucumber thing makes me realize that if you dig deep enough into any nation's past you'll find a misdeed.
Great post, but while the Kazakhs might, us civilized Americans stick to squirrel and endangered species like bison.
Quoting Jamal
To be honest, if one of the main arguments of Brexit was leaving from the centralism of Germany, I completely respect it. Those folks rule European markets in the shadows...
@T Clark’s mythical Kazakh horse haggises may not be so mythical after all.
You may now smoke a cigar, a chara.
Sounds nefarious and shrouded in mystery.
Zdeno Chára
I'll light him up and smoke him. Finna get real.
But it’s another member of the starling family, in roughly the same stance, facing the same direction, and just like the previous image it’s on a white background. When it comes to profile pics I’m a conservative: if there has to be change it should be incremental.
It’s a myna bird, in honour of the myna bird, the local starling where I am right now. Until I came here I had only seen them kept as pets for their talking ability.
Perhaps you'll eventually devolve into a dinosaur.
[quote=Heraclitus]There is nothing permanent except change[/quote]
The green is just a colour I hit upon that I thought was good.
Hey, I like it, it's green.
Yes, I love Stalker. Hard to put into words. Mirror is also up there for me with Tarkovsky.
Yeah but that didn't answer my question.Wait i saw your second post now
Ok fair enough.So it was a personal decision not taken by all mods.You had an urge to see some change here.And green is your favourite colour then i suppose.I got my answer then.
I didn’t say that.
We allow jrob some minor freedoms just to give him the sense he's really in charge.
I love his films because they give you space to just think and look. The long takes, the slowness: it feels to me that he respects the viewer as a real human being. So often I feel manipulated by films, and I just find that utterly boring, or else I resent it.
I haven’t seen Mirror though.
I appreciate that.
I didnt say you did.It was only my hypothesis.So why green then?Randomly?
Hahaha.That is called "clever leadership".
I didn’t say that you—oh forget it!
I told you already:
Quoting Jamal
This is essentially how we did it:
Quoting Jamal
Of course you did...
Quoting dimosthenis9
It was all Clarky's idea tbh.
So if it is not your favourite we can be sure at least then that you like green in general.
First, I don’t accept the notion of “green in general”. Second, I didn’t say it wasn’t my favourite colour.
Now we know who runs the show then.:lol:
So at least we can be sure that you don't wanna share what your favourite colour is :joke:
I still bet on green.But i wont investigate it further.I got the answer i was looking for.
That’s just what Clarky wants you to think.
I thought the British version was "wingeing". Speak your native tongue, man.
Hahaha .That's called politics.:lol: :rofl:
Hmmm. Stumbled on to the very rare, almost never seen anywhere–the color green. Like, "We randomly picked "white" as the background."
Doubtful.
:up:
That’s the kind of response I like.
Do you know how many varieties of green there are? They’re so diverse that some of them aren’t even green.
Fun fact: for Russians, dark blue and light blue are distinct colours, as different as red and orange, or even red and yellow. There is no all-encompassing word for blue.
Thoughts?
The Anglo-Saxons borrowed the Norman French "bleu". Not sure what word they used to describe the sky on a clear day before the borrowing. Maybe they just didn't want to talk about it.
To be more tedious "The modern English word blue comes from Middle English bleu or blewe, from the Old French bleu, a word of Germanic origin, related to the Old High German word blao (meaning 'shimmering, lustrous'). In heraldry, the word azure is used for blue. So who did the Germans steal it from?
Wikipedia has an even more tedious article about blue bleu blew bloo.
Here's a picture Wiki used as an example of blue. @Hanover might get off on it.
No.
I think every man loves a woman in uniform, especially one with those hot mini-ties. I'm like, is she a cop, is she a professional, or is she just plain sassy?
For me, it's all shades of gray. :shade:
I call this brother pie because my brother just made it.
This is where you guys tell me how much better his cooking looks than mine. Then you say, "no, really," and then you insist you're not joking, and you don't back down.
Let's go ahead and dispense with that so we can move to other things, like fantasy Eastern European law enforcement officers.
And third, don't call me Shirley.
A) NYT TRILOBITES
HEADLINE: Outsiders Solve Problems. Just Ask Goats.
B) NYT ENVIRONMENT
HEADLINE: Government scientists have spent a year analyzing electric vehicles to help the E.P.A. design new tailpipe rules to trigger an electric car revolution.
Why are they testing the tailpipe emissions on an electric car? What emissions?
To your questions, I fear this will be a bit embarrassing for you, but you asked.
As with all things, they must reproduce else they cease to exist in future generations. I think what you are seeing isn't as much an exhaust, but an intake. Mechanics call them replicators, but in the vernacular, they are called fuck holes.
This is how new cars come to be. It's not about storks and such, but it's when middle aged men fall in love with their cars and need a way to show it.
I consider it my duty to inform you that it is not within the realm of gentlemanly conduct to engage in coital relations with one's automobile. In fact, it's one of the first taboos mentioned in the original "Gentleman's Almanac" of 1844, before, you will note, such vehicles even existed--which speaks to the urgency of such counsel. Now, I will admit to being periodically tempted myself in such matters by my 1969 Morris Minor (a vintage year indeed!), but when the devil made domicile on my shoulder I immediately drowned us both in a cold bath and staved off the misadventure. I can only suggest you do the same.
We do that with pink and red. It's different shades of the same color.
Originally, boys were dressed in pink and girls in blue. Somewhere along the way it switched.
Fair, but what of orally pleasuring your vehicle? Surely that selfless act is the mark of a gentleman.
If completed discreetly, in a private place and for good reason--such as said motor is in dire need of a "service", I should think it may be at least acceptable. I would not make a habit of it though--vehicular emissions of the type such an indulgence might expose you to are unlikely to be conducive to good health. So, for the most part, I suggest you stick to the cigars, old chap.
There was a time as well when only women sported vaginas. Times change.
I imagine it's the type that arrived at @Badens doorstep when a wee lad.
And U2 now on the radio.
Freaky.
Very well put. I’m not even a film guy and I love Tarkovsky. It’s like moving sculpture or something.
Mirror is very much a dream logic sketch. Barely even a narrative. It was apparently his most personal film, which shows.
I would like to formally protest. I, the [s]universally[/s] sometimes respected; [s]often[/s] very rarely admired; and [s]sometimes[/s] never venerated have been reduced to a non-sequitur. Hey, who's been editing my post without my permission. Hey!! HEY!
But since you asked, orange.
Ha! You're as bird-brained as me. I saw you post that in the Pop Philosophy thread; don't think you got off scott free. Takes one to know one.
Nice~ Those look great! :yum:
Ordinary hot cross buns are dry and tasteless. I hope yours lived up to that tradition.
I have never had a dry and tasteless hot cross bun. If you are correct, I must have somehow managed throughout my life only to eat extraordinary ones. That’s a remarkable run of luck.
There are some nuances and details, don’t get me wrong, but the nutshell process is pure and simple.
Perhaps it is my luck that is remarkable. Actually, I've only eaten them a few times. So, not so remarkable.
My hot buns are moist, delicious, and inviting.
You figure out what I'm talking about.
My sense of humor, dry and tasteless.
Speaking of dry and tasteless:
You could make a spicy brisket wrap or horse kebab.
The good taste of caffeine in the morning, yeah.
Breakfast: chocolate and oat cookies; toasted rye bread with Andalusian oil. :yum:
Tomorrow is our Easter party. My wife is serving matzo with salmon & sour cream dip. I tried it, the tastes go together well and the crunch is nice.
You're not a bread guy. I'm a bread guy, and I can tell you, bread awakens the senses, floods the palate with flavorful sensation, and ushers in aromatic harmony when it is broken even between bitter adversaries.
Matzo. The shit just crumbles in your lap and chokes you.
Always tasteless. Not often as dry as in this case.
I know it was boring, over-serious and pointless to clarify that, but being a fooder I couldn’t help myself.
I guess my invitation got lost yet again.
Quoting T Clark
For my Passover party, I'm making a cheese dip and serving it with communion crackers and holy water. It's a judeo-christian fusion.
Bread, pasta, matzo, saltines, pancakes, Ritz Crackers, popovers, pie crust, cookies, cakes.... Add a little flour to water and a few other ingredients (or not). Bake it, then put on butter, jelly, syrup, icing, filling, cheese, salmon & sour cream dip, tomato sauce, or nothing. The most satisfying food in the world. Maybe I should include beer.
I think it's the shell.
Matzo pants for the trendy Jew - S M L XL and ... just get a tent.
Little know fact, Matzo Man was the original version of Macho Man.
Every man wants to be a matzo, matzo man
To have the kind of body always in demand
Jogging in the mornings, go man go
Work outs in the health spa, muscles glow
You can best believe that he's a matzo man
Ready to get down with, anyone he can
Nacho Man was another try -- too messy, Cheese powder all over everything.
This time I decided to leave it in the fridge. Mixing Andalusian oil with tofu could be a crime.
Spring force. Lavender time.
Flax in blossom (flax is made into linen cloth and flaxseed oil). I have never actually seen this
Fields of sunflower are attractive:
Here's another crop blossom -- buckwheat from which come soba noodles. Buckwheat is a relative of rhubarb. The seeds of buckwheat and rhubarb are shaped very similarly. I love rhubarb pie. North Dakota, Minnesota, and New York are the main buckwheat growing states.
None of these are as good as the rows of lavender, however.
one of my favorite flowers, indeed. There are fields of sunflowers in Galicia (northwest of Spain). I remember that when I was a kid, we tried to cultivate sunflowers in our plot. It was effective, and some of them flourished, but not as much as most of the Google picture shows.
On the other hand, we like to eat sunflower seeds. Their taste is good but kind of salty. I usually eat them in the afternoon. Pumpkin seeds are sweeter, and more tasty than sunflower seeds.
Quoting BC
Well, each field of flowers has its own charm. :cool:
They have neither a split hoof nor do they chew their cud. Not even a close call, totally treif.
My cross buns, while typically kosher, are not right now due to the leavening, which is forbidden during Passover, totally chametz.
I made the rolls with almond milk, so they're parve (not milchig), which makes them acceptable after a fleishig meal.
You think you need to know a lot to be in the Shoutbox.
Beautiful field! It must smell delightful and relaxing. Feel sorry for the lone guy in the photo who has to harvest the whole crop by himself. Of course, his “friends” will all show up for the feast after the work is done. Lavender cookies and lavender stew, yum!
Quoting javi2541997
Maybe... but who would arrest you? Probably a haughty French chef claiming he has solved “ze crime of ze century!” He’s holding a meat cleaver though, so it’s better not to anger him with any relevant facts. :joke:
The Ministry of Truth of Spain and the CIA. They have all our data. It is impossible to escape from them, and they are always watching what we are doing or saying, camouflaged in the shadows... :eyes:
You’ve now given me a whole bunch of new words I have to remember. I’m not ungrateful but it’s hard work keeping it all in my head.
My lagman, manti, and shubat should be arriving soon.
I'm just curious in the event I find myself in Mongolia or wherever it is you are.
Apparently it’s fizzy and is probably very slightly alcoholic. I’ve heard that the similar local drink called kumis, which is fermented mare’s milk, can get up to about 2% alcohol.
I like ayran and kefir, the latter of which is based on fermented milk. Tonight’s shubat would have represented my progress to Advanced Dairy stage, but it didn’t happen.
For the past few years I've been collecting unfamiliar and previously unseen words from science fiction, history, and sociology authors. Most of these violate Strunk & White's advice to "avoid reaching for the rare and unfamiliar word when a common word will do". @javi2541997, some authors' predilection to use the obscure word (when recounting the brave astronaut's landing on Pluto, for instance) is either annoying or delightful, depending. Reading digital books makes it very easy to look up words. If I had to put the book down, pick up a heavy dictionary, and look up each weird word, well, I wouldn't do it--too slow and cumbersome in our high speed tear-away culture.
A few examples:
"The Second Edition of the 20-volume Oxford English Dictionary contains full entries for 171,476 words in current use (and 47,156 obsolete words). Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged, together with its 1993 Addenda Section, includes some 470,000 entries."
Is an "entry" the same as a "unique word" when counting? I'll settle for the OED's 218,632 words.
What a big number... doesn't it? What is the main cause of having obsolete words? I do not have good arguments to back this up, but I think it is not a positive fact that there are obsolete words in a vocabulary. The first guess that comes to mind is that - maybe - is the millennials' fault for using abusive internet slang.
Agree!
I remember using it a lot in my "Taxes" thread, hehe. :cool:
Quoting BC
Yeah! :up:
QUasi-Autonomous Non Government Organisation. Much used by irresponsible politicians for stealth privatisation, jobs for the boys, and for implementing unpopular policies at arms length. More a neologism than obsolete. Acronyms don't count as real words though. That's official thought police policy.
Change over time. Here's an example that will be totally obscure to 99% of English readers:
"A gentle knight was pricking on the plain..." This is the opening line of Edmund Spencer's The Faerie Queene, published around 1600. What was the knight doing? He was riding a rapidly galloping horse.
As far as I know, describing a fast gallop as "pricking" is at least obsolete and possibly archaic. Maybe yeomen in the Elizabethan era just liked "gallop" better than "pricking" -- I don't know. "Prick" as in being stuck by something sharp is an older Anglo-Saxon use, and continues on to the present.
At the same time that the gentle knight was pricking, "prick" was a euphemism for penis. That vulgar usage did not become obsolete -- it's still in use, along with 'dick', 'cock', 'dong', etc. However, referring to a person as a "prick" is pretty recent -- 1929.
Will "prick" still be in use as an insult or euphemism in 2323? It depends on global warming, to some extent. There may be no one alive to call anybody a prick. Pricks may not only be obsolete, they may be extinct, and English, Spanish,, and Japanese along with them.
Change is the only constant,
Six of those are pretty common in my own reading experience. I read etiolated just yesterday.
I did have to look up flocculent the last time I read it though.
EDIT: I’m not showing off, I just for some reason don’t like the suggestion that those are obscure words.
I don’t know what you mean.
I was thinking maybe like how the Icelandic people can eat rotten fish like candy, maybe you had come across a peoples with another sort of eating super power.
When I was in college I tried to make apple juice wine and then I tried to distill it with a bunch of shit I duct taped together and cooked on the stove.
Steve was a pretty bad drunk, so he volunteered. He said it wasn't terrible, but we couldn't tell if it was alcoholic because he was already drunk when we started our experiment. I didn't want to die and regular beer wasn't that hard to come by, so I didn't drink it.
Get over it. They're pretty obscure. Being "obscure", you understand, isn't a judgement on the word's worth. They're all good words (except floccinaucinihilipilification which some brats at Eton made up). Word Frequency is a pet interest for me. If you compare the frequency of 'NASA' and 'flocculent', the latter has appeared in print far more often than the former. Flocculent just hasn't make it into print very often, these days.
What interests me is how authors, writing a space opera or an account of Los Angeles' growth, find reasons to use words that stand out from the lexicon they normally use. Texts that are readily readable rely heavily on the Anglo-Saxon and 11th & 12th century French lexical contribution. Obviously, one cannot discuss cell biology or technical management without delving into the lexicons that have been added Ito the English lexicon quite recently.
So, maybe your regular reading includes texts that are derived from more technical fields than what I am reading. (Or your vocabulary is bigger than mine.)
NASA had a big moment in the sun with the moon landings, and then some spectacular unmanned projects. In the last decade or so, Nasa has not been in the headlines (and in printed books) so often. Flocculent, on the other hand, has been in the doldrums for a long time. Again, there's nothing wrong with flocculent, in all its glorious fluffiness.
Three or four of them are very common (bricolage, quango, etiolated, chicane) and another two or three are less common but still not in the realm of the obscure. Get over it!
I agree.
Yeah, I wouldn't drink that. Fortunately that's not how they make kefir, ayran, tan, kumis, shubat etc. These beverages are enjoyed by the millions of people who use a wood-burning mangal grill.
And then there's lassi, the Indian one. That's another billion. I like it with salt rather than mango.
Kefir is like drinking yoghurt but sourer.
My first Kefir experience was a shock.
I think my sneeze success rate is about 35%. I thought this was worth sharing solely because of how enraging a statistic it is. I'm about to rip my nose off.
In sneezing, I define success as when I successfully sneeze. If I need to sneeze and I sneeze, that's a success. If I need to sneeze but I can't, that's a failure. So, when I say I have a 35% success rate in sneezing, this means that 65% of the time that I need to sneeze, I can't. This statistic and it's enjoining experience fills me with rage.
If quango is common, it must be a Britishism. "A semipublic administrative body outside the civil service but receiving financial support from the government, which makes senior appointments to it" per unenlightened, American corruption is simpler than that. Our political crooks just show up at the loading dock of the treasury and haul it away in bulk.
Are your sure about 'chicane'? Yes, it's related to chicanery, which is an increasingly common word. But as "chicane"? Bricolage is likely a more common word than flocculent, given its use in the arts. Maybe etiolated. Maybe.
But "obscurity" isn't so subjective that if I happen to know a word, then it isn't obscure. Obscurity derives from very infrequent usage, very restricted meaning and usage, or is limited to a small group of people (like, all of the residents of Quango, West Indies).
How about inamorata? scry? pleonasm? ascesis? purdonium?
Eldritch: A term that was new to me, then I started finding it here and there. "strange or unnatural especially in a way that inspires fear : weird, eerie". Coleridge used it in Rhyme of the Ancient mariner.
According to The Guardian, "A faulty connection in the nervous system may link sexual responses to the sneezing reflex.
Thinking about sex or experiencing an orgasm sends some people into an uncontrolled bout of sneezing, and according to two researchers the problem may be more common than the medical profession had realised."
That would be a drag. The reverse would be worse socially.
I don't know if this is common knowledge and I don't think it works for everyone, but when I'm on the edge of sneeze and it needs a push, I look to the light. Best is the sky, but artificial lights work too.
This is one of those odd things that I discovered about myself as a child and haven't thought to Google it since Google was invented.
I just saw this. I do.
Yes, light does tend to allow me to sneeze. However, I think there's also a psychological aspect to sneezing. Despite knowing that light helps me to sneeze, I sometimes overthink the light-sneeze, and it doesn't happen. Sneeze psychology seems to run deep.
Yep, common in motor racing, so it gets used on TV a lot. Also in urban planning and traffic engineering. You really need to brush up on your traffic calming concepts BC.
Quoting BC
Maybe what? I've seen or heard all of those words multiple times over the past few months. I've heard bricolage on podcasts and YouTube videos recently, and Noble Dust has a famous track called "Blast Beat Bricolage".
I've seen inamorata and pleonasm many times, don't know the others.
Quoting BC
It's a good word. I first became aware of it in the eighties thanks to Andrew Eldritch of the Sisters of Mercy. Also associated with Lovecraft.
*EP
The EP does flow rather well, so the error is excusable. A classic, albeit typical mistake.
I see! Your examples are very interesting. Yet, I was wondering if the changes were positive or negative. You used the example of "A gentle knight was pricking on the plain...", and yes, it seems to be an old expression of English language. But modernity is not always good for language. It tends to be reorganized in a manner where the "purity" of the language has the risk of being lost, (or at least its originality).
You should hear my Cough Concerto.
Trust me, that issue will not happen again. Unless the government puts me in prison due to tax fraud. :scream:
Altering language is the ultimate corruption and deeply forbidden. Have you heard of The Inquisition? It all began in Languedoc with the infiltration of foreign languages. Do not try to mess with the eternal Forms and the Word of God, or you will suffer the consequences.
How do you know they don't ferment the milk in my old minivan? Like you were there?
All you know is that you snap your fingers and milk products arrive at your table. You have no idea what pains it took to satisfy you.
Sorry mate, I am already tired of discussing that historical topic. It is even funny, as Monty Python parodied us, with the meme "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition" flowing around the Internet...
Breakfast: toast, one mini cheese cheburek, apple, coffee, kefir
Lunch: leftovers from last night's Kazakh meal: four manti with tomato, onion, and chili salad
Dinner: doner kebab, soon to be eaten
Maybe I took the factory tour for all you know.
Kebab! I miss the experience of eating a good Turkish döner kebab. My neighborhood has an important number of Turkish locals, but the quality of the food is low.
Veni, Vidi... Sternumenti?
Please remember to declare any earnings from yard and garage sales. Many have been brought down by such a small detail. My Uncle served 10 years for selling a set of commemorative dishware. :wink:
I’m on your side in this obscureness debate. (If you’d want someone verbally-challenged on your side, that is). Those British... they think they invented the English language or something. :nerd:
Because I’d really like to hear him rip the Q-anonsense crowd a new brain-hole. :cool:
I got fined for exactly that reason, for not declaring the "earnings" from a parking lot whose leasing agreement was signed by my grandparents, but the revenue was transmitted to me, in "black money" cash.
Oh my god! I am realizing that I act as a tax fraudster. Do you know what is the worst? The fee from the parking lot is low, just 80 €. So, I do not know why tax officers get mad at such an amount. :eyes:
The ultimate psychological malady of modern life - sneeze performance anxiety.
It is so complex that I would need a thread with 15 pages to explain it. There are two sections: the collection by the state (50 % of the revenue) and the collection of the autonomous regions (50 % of the revenue). To these amounts we have to take into account the European Union taxes such as Valued Add tax (VAD) or customs.
Thank you. Now please analyze my profound and complex micro story.
Starts quite slowly but becomes totally addictive towards the middle, and I loved the surprise ending even though I don’t usually go for happy endings.
Here, I wrote you my analysis of your story. I did it all by myself. With no help. I did it:
Beautiful. This analysis is all I could have hoped for and more. Thank you for taking so much time and effort out of your day to thoughtfully respond. I learned things about my own story and myself.
You're welcome. Did I mention that I did it all myself, with no help. I wrote it all. I really mean it. I did it. Me.
Yes, that’s the most incredible part. I won’t soon forget this, Clarky. You’ve made my entire year. I was planning on never writing a short story ever again, but now you’ve given me the inspiration to persevere. You’re a lighthouse in stormy waters.
Thank you, thank you. Did I mention that I did it myself with no help?
I gotta say man, I'm proud of you. In fact, my image of you has been elevated to a whole new level. I will never forgot the way you made me feel today, you, just you. Thank you for being your authentic and wonderful self. :heart:
The US Internal Revenue Service must have been inspired by Spain's labyrinthine tax regulations.
Anne Frank’s diary gets lavish saucy treatment in new vibrant graphic novel
[sup]— Matt Lebovic · The Times of Israel · Oct 5, 2018[/sup]
Quoting Ari Folman
Quoting David Polonsky
However, it's now disappearing from a Florida school:
A Florida school banned an adaptation of Anne Frank's diary because Moms for Liberty deemed it 'sexually explicit'
[sup]— Isobel van Hagen · Business Insider · Apr 9, 2023[/sup]
Not because of the stark nightmare-scape. A google search won't find much porn, though. :D
At least you had some inspiration about something coming from us! :lol:
Breakfast: "oaty" chocolate cookies with tofu and a big, dark, toasted cup of coffee.
Yum.
Dinner: Homemade chicken picata over orzo seasoned with butter and pasta water, with broccoli rabe and white beans cooked with pancetta on the side. A very vaguely Italian American meal. Pretty good, although the beans were a bit dry. A sprinkle of olive oil helped but didn't save the day.
As I said in my comment to @Metaphysician Undercover, a line must be drawn, and I don't know exactly how. It is a tough question. One thing I find certain though: some of the stuff we find boring today must be left un-automated. The reason is simple; there will always be boring stuff. We get to decide, to some degree, what is boring and what is fun by engaging in activities across the spectrum of stimulation. If we continually push the spectrum upwards, we will eventually run out of fun things to do. What then?
In your example, I'd probably be pro-automation. There wouldn't be tons of other boring tasks for you to do. Those other boring tasks (like perhaps scoring tests) are important as well; so, they have more utility and are more critical. So in choosing between which to automate, the choice is clear. Contrast that with automating both, and all the other boring tasks you have. What's left? Lecturing, which used to be so fun. Now, it's all you do... and it isn't so fun anymore. Both you and your students would then suffer from this, until even lecturing got automated. Then you'd be out of a job however, but that's a different issue regarding the automation era.
P.S., I just assumed you were a teacher given your example. I guess it is possible you were an IT guy at a school. Regardless, my reply still stands in theory.
There is something we can do about it, yeah. But will we? This all spawned as a worry about what automation will do to our society. If I was talking solely about my own personal life, then this reply of yours would be relevant. But this is about society; so, even if individuals in society CAN do this, the question is: WILL they? I don't think so and the evidence for that is already clear. The progression has been drastic; it's not long until there'll be a Subway Surfers video at the bottom of the Minecraft parkour video at the bottom of the actual main content video.
I love both broccoli and white beans. What an excellent combination.
Quoting Noble Dust
Having olive oil at home should be a right guaranteed by the constitution. :up:
This was my first time cooking broccoli rabe, and it turned out quite well indeed. They shrank a lot, though, so i probably could have bought more for my meal prep. A success overall, however.
Quoting javi2541997
I know what you mean, I think. In America, because of our obsession with freedom, we might say something like "the right to possess olive oil is a fundamental human right", except for us it would be butter, or even worse, firearms. Olive oil is something I can get more excited about, though.
I agree. Marx’s principle for a good society, From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, is flexible on the notion of needs: it is meant to cover not only the necessities for survival but the necessities for a full life. One of those necessities is olive oil. Therefore, what you say is entirely compatible with Marx.
Yes, these vegetables stink. Their odor is strong, and I know some people who do not want to eat them just for this reason. It is a pity because they are pretty nutritional aliments.
Quoting Noble Dust
Quoting Jamal
Perhaps, I can be extremist oftentimes, but I cannot trust a folk who doesn't have olive oil in the kitchen. How do they cook?
Butter yes... but not worthy to me.
It’s ok the site already does this
Well, I see where you're coming from. BUT! Please never use olive oil to make egg fried rice or ... well, anything from Asia at all really.
So many other oils: sunflower, peanut, lard, cotton-seed, sheep tail fat (the last two are used in Central Asia)
I'm not sure if something was lost in translation, but I was remarking that the broccoli rabe shrank, meaning it got a lot smaller in size after being cooked.
Quoting javi2541997
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At the time, I was a principal secretary for a couple of departments in the College of Management. I applied for the job because I needed a paycheck quickly. It was all tedious detail work in a noisy office in which I could barely think. I didn't last long.
I've worked in adult education and health education, but not as a classroom teacher. The health education work involved outreach and telephone work in the early days of the AIDS crisis. Outreach did not become boring, but it did become less successful as some of the venue's I worked in were closed down. Telephone education became boring because there were so many calls from the worried well with the same questions about their extremely-low-level-to-non-existent-risks. Every now and then a caller had some disgusting perverse behavior (calls for which we were very grateful), but those were few and far between. Working with college students and teachers in another job was not boring either. Annoying, but not boring.
At the AIDSLine, I automated our call reporting system. Using a Mac, I developed a desktop form which one could click through, instead of marking paper. The automation part was that the computer produced the stats at the end of the month, rather than somebody having to tabulate maybe 2000 phone call report forms. (Several people worked on the phone lines.)
Effective multi-drug HIV treatment killed off interesting AIDS work. Plenty of other problems to work on, fortunately.
I've worked in both professional jobs and in clerical jobs. Professional jobs are usually interesting, have some perks, and less supervision. Clerical jobs (and a lot of other non-professional jobs) are more openly exploitative. Extraction of your potential value is uppermost, whereas professionals tend to be trusted to produce.
Sadly, institutions have found ways to bastardize professional work too -- adjunct instruction jobs in universities, for instance. These unfortunates are hired one term and one class at a time for low pay, no benefits, and zero security. Colleges love hiring PhDs to teach for much less than they pay the custodians. Not my situation, but several friends have been stuck in this racket.
I agree! Olive oil doesn't connect very well with Asian dishes. I remember cooking fried rice with olive oil from Jaén, and the result was not good. As you said, there are others that are better for them, like sunflower oil.
Quoting Noble Dust
Oooohhh Yes! I got you now. I didn't translate it well. When you boil broccoli, it shrinks.
Shrinks = se encoge
I don't disagree with you on this. A) what one person finds mindlessly boring, somebody else will find tolerable. I enjoy sorting office mail for instance. B) the problem is distribution. One position shouldn't get stuck with all the boring jobs. Nobody should be considered above being bored once in a while.
It is important that people NOT forget how to do things. Many people can't find their way around in a city because they rely on GPS to tell them to turn right in 200 feet, or do any arithmetic on paper. Smart phones have obliterated people's internal rolodexes. Lots of examples.
Nothing, pretty much. I'm 76 and retired. I read a lot, do household chores, try to fit some tame exercise in, peruse the philosophy forum and other sites, and so on. I also spend quite some time reflecting on how I could have managed my life more successfully. There are several things I would take more seriously, and would avoid some others. Could have, would have, should have. The thing is, a lot of us don't figure out the game until it is almost over. I have all kinds of insight now that I didn't have when I was 18.
For instance, computers and the internet make possible what education technology aspired to do in the 1970s, but could not -- because our reach exceeded our grasp. Cutting edge in the 1970s was pathetic by the 1990s. In the 70s we wanted to 'mediate' information, and what we had to do it with was audio and video tape, film, slide projectors, very very slow computer connections. Analog ruled, digital was still around the corner. "Let's give students 24 hour access to information, blah blah blah." All good ideas, but not technically possible till the last two or three decades.
Google Search was a dream come true for us 70s dreamers. The PC, even the first puny little machines, were manna from heaven. Expensive, but well worth the cost!
On the other hand, they are web sites that are dangerous. 4Chan and various dark web sites come to mind, but Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok are not without dangers of their own. Foreseen and unforeseen.
I can't produce a report on insights or anything else at this time.
I never broke my teeth, and that is something I always show off about my "personal skills."
Quoting Jamal
Chinese food is awesome. I have to admit an universal truth: Chinese culinary is better than Japanese one. Facts.
Are you English
Spanish then
Understandable, sleep well :)
Quoting BC
I don't think so either, but the question was, do you think automation poses the danger of pushing the threshold of stimulation up so high so as to, eventually, make us into zombies?
Sí
Do you realize that fact because my grammar skills stink, right?
Actually you’re pretty decent…thinking back Javi sounds very much Spanish and I have a friend called that
When someone or something wants to admonish me, they call me Javier. :death:
I tell them that Javier is not my name but they don’t listen.
:rofl:
I blame Clarky and Baden for shouting "Javier" without control in this thread.
amount of the fine: 1.000 £.
To the Irish drunks starting off early
Sorry, I just wanted an excuse to post this cool song again:
Aren't Uyghurs Turkic like all the ...stans?
Not all the stans are Turkic though. The Tajiks of Tajikistan are Iranian, as are the Pashtuns of Afghanistan.
A certain amount of tedious work is required for most jobs, and I think that's a good thing. As an engineer, there is a tendency to computerize data management. That's a good thing to some extent, but someone who has actually looked at the data, handled it, processed it, validated it knows it in a different, better way than someone who has just looked at piece of finished work prepared by a computer. Data has a structure and logic that you never see if you just look at it after it's been processed.
Even for non-technical work, there has to be someone who knows how everything fits together, how the work flows, who to call when things go wrong, all the little tasks and projects that have to be completed in order for the more technical work to proceed. Someone with a vested interest in the quality of the project has to be the one who runs the process and who knows where everything goes.
I knew that some Afghani are Persian, but I didn't know Tajiks are.
As I've said before, I find Central Asia fascinating. Did I mention about the apples?
Amazing!
Unlikely I'll ever get up that way, but I like having you to scramble around the old Soviet republics and tell us what they're really like. I probably assumed those nations were more or less like Afghanistan and Iran - intolerant authoritarian theocracies where westerners don't belong. It's nice to know what's really up.
Kazakhstan is a secular republic, not theocratic at all. Religion is important but a matter of choice. Uzbekistan too. Turkmenistan is the embarrassing one, the insular secretive dictatorship that other Central Asians don’t talk about. I know almost nothing about Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Kyrgyzstan is only 30 km away, up in the mountains, but I haven’t been yet. Didn’t bring a jacket.
As I said, I enjoy your travel stories.
It is weird when I wake up and nobody is in The Shoutbox. Where did you folks go?
Look at it this way: You are on the cutting edge of the sunrise.
I avoid being up at sunrise; I haven't seen it in a long time. Does it still happen?
I am seeing it right now. The sky is a mix of pallid blue and a translucent white line in the horizon.
Quoting BC
It does happen, and it is pretty. But I am not a big fan of springtime, I prefer fall and winter sunsets. These are poetic and thanks to them I wrote a lot of poems.
One day it’s Andalusian, next day Castilian. How many olive oils do you have?
I have three different types of olive oil:
1. Cornicabra, from Toledo (Castilian)
2. Picual, from Andalusia
3. Arbequina, from Catalonia.
Those make six bottles of olive oil. :cool:
There’s a bit by Bill Burr where he talks about how he didn’t know he had to moisturize until middle age, when his black girlfriend pointed out that "white guys get ashy too," it's just that they can't see it. Well, that was me until quite recently. My father thinks that moisturizing is for girls so he never taught me the way of healthy skin.
The upshot is that I need to find a good neutral oil in large quantities, for not too much money.
I suggest used motor oil. It's inexpensive and contains the heavy metals required for sunblock. Then again, if you were self-conscious about smelling like olive oil, the look might not be what you desire. But you'll smell like a machine!
It's not that I was self-conscious exactly, it's more that I was overly conscious of the smell of olive oil so I was constantly distracted by the thought of spaghetti aglio e olio with pecorino cheese.
I'll consider your suggestion of manly motor oil :strong:
Diprobase or hydromol mate. Lube you right up.
Hope it helps. I'm covered in rashes after covid last year. Hydromol stopped them drying and bleeding!
Hydromol's a bit stronger, I was told. You can also use it instead of soap on the problem areas.
The Simpsons - the most philosophical of animated TV shows.
The answer of course is that I don’t know, but I think it’s unlikely. My head is unusually sensitive, and the tongue of a cat is very rough, so I’d have probably woken up.
If an open source of olive oil were available, you've been surreptitiously cat noggin licked, I assure you.
I know little. But cats. I know cats.
Sad story but who could blame her?
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Cod liver oil will bring every hungry little pussy in the neighborhood to you!
Wait... that didn’t sound quite right... :snicker:
But seriously... my go to answer for anything with pain and inflammation (and many other issues):
CBD oil / full-spectrum hemp cream.
Someone had to do it. Did you notice that Hanover and I were too sophisticated to stoop to that level, despite the temptation?
I assumed Han was momentarily occupied with herding the goats, or milking the bull perhaps.
Something sophisticated like that...
If you can, please insert a character called The Yellow Jacket Queen.
Prod as you might, I will not succumb. I will not talk about using olive oil as a vaginal lubricant to help reduce penile chaffing from vigorous penetration only to licked raw by the cat once exhausted by repeated acts of intercourse even though that's what you're trying to get me to do.
Chicken sandwich is one of the best meals. I guess it has already been delivered to your home and you enjoyed it like a child enjoying milk with chocolate cookies. :cool:
Woah. I like your enthusiasm but that's a bit much for my depressed brain.
The chicken sandwich was indeed delivered to my doorstep, and I did indeed enjoy it like a 30-something obscure musical artist who posts nonsense on a philosophy forum to fill his hollow Steppenwolf days.
He or she might prescribe ghastly, painful, time-consuming procedures, or... may just tell you to wear a hat to keep the sun off your head.
To be honest, I don't even understand why I feel enthusiastic. :lol:
There is something wrong with you because you're still talking about skin.
Nah I’ll try and get the stuff @fdrake recommended, although I can’t get it here so in the meantime I’ll be using sheep’s tail fat from a fat-tailed sheep.
We all have some skin in Jamal's game.
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https://babble.im/
Before I tried it today I'd been wondering if it would be something we could move to, but it's not a good fit. It's a stripped down forum optimized for fast-moving chatty conversations rather than long and complex posts, so it wouldn't be right for us. More like Discord than a forum. I do like it though. Simple and easy.
Some time back, I made a proposal at TPF for real time debates. In this format the debaters would be given very strict time regulations, to better represent a traditional debate. There'd be an overall time period, and time limit between replies. This could make the debate much more interesting for spectators by bringing out the true personalities of the debaters, rather than giving them time to research and crib, as they go. I think that is what a "debate" really aims at, rather than testing a person's research skills.
Debates don't seem to be prominent on this site. They can be very interesting and entertaining for spectators, but the present format allowing the debaters free time to research between replies makes them just like a normal thread where the participation is restricted. This makes them less interesting, often trailing off into boredom.
It appears like the new platform you refer to could be well suited for such a debate.
For those (like me) that English is not their native language, need time to usually translate, check grammar, improve quality of the post, etc... so a "live debate" will make me feel a lot of anxiety, just because of the great numbers of mistakes perceived by most of the members. :death: :fear:
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Go with the Mo’! (momentum). That’s my motto.
(Mottotutum)
Haha... I see what you cleverly did there.
Motto was King Tut’s first name! :chin: