Reply to universeness I believe everyone should be provided with access to big screen teeth and that this could be achieved without capitalism, so you’re not quite right.
But I live in the actual world, where stomatologists operate privately, though they charge a lot less than Scotch dentists despite having bigger screens.
Either you are from a generation that associates Russia with the Soviet Union, so you make comments jokingly assuming that Russia is in some way socialist, or else you’re unaware of the fact that Russia is a capitalist country in which welfare and public healthcare have been systematically rolled back since the nineties (I’m no fan of the USSR, before anyone pounces on me).
But very basic free dentistry is available, I believe.
I’m disappointed you didn’t react to my use of the word “Scotch”.
Scotch is one of my favourite words and beverages.
Do you think this 'very basic public dentistry,' provides better dental care for the majority of people in Russia today, under the private stomatologists, with their big screens, compared to dentistry under the communists?
Have you ever watched the 7 part series on the fall of communism in the USSR, called 'Traumazone' by Adam Curtis?
BTW, I was not a fan of the USSR either, especially when it became so corrupted, from the initial vision of the majority of those who revolted!
Do you think this 'very basic public dentistry,' provides better dental care for the majority of people in Russia today, compared to the private stomatologists, with their big screens?
I don’t know the proportion of Russian people who can afford to go private, so I can’t answer you as to the majority of Russians. Obviously the very poor are not served well by dentistry that they can’t afford, so in that sense, what little public toothcare there is is better for them, because it’s better than nothing.
BTW, I was not a fan of the USSR either, especially when it became so corrupted, from the initial vision of the majority of those who revolted!
Well, much as I’m partly sympathetic to many of the original revolutionaries, I don’t think you can say it was a majority that was doing all the revolting.
No, this is news to me. I like his documentaries but I hadn’t heard about this one.
I would be very interested in your opinions of 'Traumazone.' Episode 1 is posted below. All 7 episodes are free on YouTube. I thought it was very good indeed, as it delivered such excellent, everyday 'snapshots' of life in the USSR just before it fell apart.
I think the teeth of the Russian population would have fared much better under communism (and those revolutionary bolsheviks,) than under these private stomatologists. Very little freedom and a one party dictatorship, I agree, but healthier teeth for all!
BTW I didn't actually suggest a majority revolted, I typed about the initial vision of the majority of THOSE WHO DID revolt.
I think the teeth of the Russian population would have fared much better under communism (and those revolutionary bolsheviks,) than under these private stomatologists. Very little freedom and a one party dictatorship, I agree, but healthier teeth for all!
Well, maybe.
I do know that there is a really good tradition of healthcare that started in the USSR and has carried over into private healthcare. Its focus is on prevention, so you get a lot more testing and scanning than was ever encouraged or provided by the NHS in the UK. I think some of that probably remains in the free healthcare system, but like I say, it’s a shadow of what it was.
I have watched all 7 episodes 3 times, as I wanted to make sure I didn't miss any pertinent points.
It also made me want to know a lot more about the 'Gosplan' of the USSR as it was the main 'moneyless,' system that the USSR used for production, distribution and exchange. It worked very well at the beginning from what I have garnished so far but it was allowed to become totally corrupted, by the usual parcel of rogues, we all know so well.
I do know that there is a really good tradition of healthcare that started in the USSR and has carried over into private healthcare. Its focus is on prevention, so you get a lot more testing and scanning than was ever encouraged or provided by the NHS. I think some of that probably remains in the free healthcare system, but like I say, it’s a shadow of what it was.
It seems to me that a very good, free health care system, available to all, from cradle to grave is possible to establish and maintain. It disgusts me, when profit is ever associated with healthcare or education.
I can feel no other way.
I look forward to any feedback you would offer on 'Traumazone.'
It also made me want to know a lot more about the 'Gosplan' of the USSR as it was the main 'moneyless,' system that the USSR used for production, distribution and exchange. It worked very well at the beginning from what I have garnished so far but it was allowed to become totally corrupted, by the usual parcel or rogues, we all know so well.
Whether or not it was misconceived or mismanaged, I do think it was fascinating. Right now I’m living close to a building where they had the central mainframe computers that were supposed to make all the calculations for production and distribution. Trouble is, by the time the building was finished it wasn’t fit to house the newer computers. It has a 3d concrete and mosaic Möbius strip over the entrance.
Reply to Jamal
I don't want to present you with any spoilers but the attempt to upgrade the Gosplan system by using computer technology is covered quite well in the traumazone series.
But that characterizes posts that are made every 5 minutes, never mind the first one in a vacant 24 hour period.
Again, my responsibilities only apply when there haven't been any posts in the Shoutbox for 24 hours. My stupid, pointless, untrue, and trivial posts will be strategically placed to provide maximum benefit to the forum.
Reply to Jamal
The Gosplan started in 1921.
There is some decent info on-line but limited details. I don't know if that's because the USSR was not keen to share the details of how it functioned. Perhaps Russia under Putin still protects the details of Gosplan but I don't know. Wiki entry for Gosplan.
When I was 15 (and you were like 50), I worked at a Chinese restaruant as a busboy, and the funniest joke dads used to ask me was what part of China I was from.
But more to the point, I'd mix the mustard from the powder and it would burn my eyes, so I'd go in the back to where everyone chain smoked and there were these mollasses coated fly strips hanging from the ceiling that would slap you in the face. That's how I'd get my relief.
I miss that job. They'd try to get me to eat really hot foods so they could laugh, but I'd throw it out the back door, and they thought that was funny too.
Then let's look at this post a bit and apply the JTB standard. Let's forget about T and B for now. Are we justified in believing Hanover's story? Has he ever lied to us? Has he ever made stuff up? Does he ever say things he knows to be wrong, just to get attention?
My conclusion - We are not justified in believing this story is true, therefore this post contains no knowledge.
Reply to T Clark It has the ring of truth to it though doesn’t it? It’s not like his other stories. How does “the ring of truth” fit in your epistemology?
Reply to Jamal
Correction!
I looked at a pdf I downloaded about the Gosplan and it had:
[b]In October 1959, as a result of initiatives and publications of a number of progressive
domestic scientists, the Council of Ministers of the USSR issued a decree on the creation of a computer center under the State Planning Committee of the USSR whose main
goal would be to ensure calculations on economic plans throughout the country. This
computer center, which since 1963 became known as the Main Computing Center
(MCC) of the State Planning Committee (Gosplan) of the USSR, existed for more than
thirty years until the second half of 1991, when the Soviet Union collapsed.[/b]
I think the 80's upgrade was an attempt to replace the old computer system they already had.
Reply to Jamal
I couldn't upload the photo from the pdf but here's the caption:
[b]Fig. 1. The building of the Main Computer Center of the USSR State Planning Committee in
Moscow on the Kirov street (now Myasnitskaya street), 45[/b]
That’s just your intolerant anti-religious bias speaking.
Not at all. We'll look at two conditions. 1) I do not have faith that @Hanover is telling the truth so, I have no justification, either philosophical or religious, for believing what he wrote. 2) I know from past discussions that you do not believe in justification by faith. As I've already noted, given Hanover's history of mendacity, you have no justification by fact either. For that reason, you have no justification for believing Hanover's post and therefore it contains no knowledge.
Reply to T Clark Some basic beliefs don’t require justification. Sometimes the truth asserts itself by force. Certainty is a network of beliefs that fit together. This Wittgensteinian perspective works well with my “ring of truth” claim, showing that it is rational.
My story of the Chinese restaurant was true. I'll give some more details.
Mr. Wong had me put the uneaten crunchy noodles back in the bin for reuse. Mrs. Wong would invite me to the crew table to eat, and I'd get there first to get my food because their custom was to eat straight from the serving plate with their chopsticks and that was disgusting by my lofty western standards. I made $3 an hour, 35 cents under minimum wage. They told me I should eat the pork because God made it for me to eat.
That's too many normal details for a lie, and has that ring of truth we can all rely upon.
Now if I said I coated Mrs. Wong with molasses in order to make her sweet flower of love more palatable, you might question my veracity, as you'd know I would never be so wrong to Mr. Wong's schlong.
Some basic beliefs don’t require justification. Sometimes the truth asserts itself by force. Certainty is a network of beliefs that fit together. This Wittgensteinian perspective works well with my “ring of truth” claim, showing that it is rational.
My JTB post was tongue-in-cheek. I think anyone who thinks that JTB is an accurate description of knowledge has never paid attention to how knowing something actually works and feels. I see knowledge in a similar manner to how you do.
I didn't say it wasn't true, I said it wasn't knowledge. The question here isn't whether it is knowledge to you, but whether it is knowledge to others.
Some basic beliefs don’t require justification. Sometimes the truth asserts itself by force. Certainty is a network of beliefs that fit together. This Wittgensteinian perspective works well with my “ring of truth” claim, showing that it is rational.
When you get down to it, what you're talking about is intuition, at least that's what I call it. There are quite a few people, including here on the forum, who don't think it's rational.
It seems to be a false dichotomy. The stereotypes are that intuition happens "to" someone, while rationality is something someone "does"; passive vs. active. That's not really true. Rationality is less active than we think; intuition is less passive. The subconscious plays a role in both interfaces.
When you get down to it, what you're talking about is intuition, at least that's what I call it. There are quite a few people, including here on the forum, who don't think it's rational.
I don’t think I’m talking about intuition. For me, the human form of life is primary, not the mental happenings of a subject of experience considered in isolation. I’m generally against the latter, Cartesian sort of epistemology, which is just what is usually meant by epistemology.
[quote=Peter Hacker]Wittgenstein sought to replace the conception of a language as a meaning calculus (Frege, Russell, the Tractatus) by an anthropological or ethnological conception. A language is not a class of sentences that can be formed from a set of axioms (definitions), formation and transformation rules and the meanings of which is given by their truth-conditions, but an open-ended series of interlocking language-games constituting a form of life or way of living (a culture).[/quote]
When I went to bed, we were debating the full health benefits of rye bread. I wake up and I see you all are debating about a Russian building of state duma.
As @Hanover said, "There's a lot of shit you need to know if you work in the Shoutbox" and now I fully understand what he meant.
It seems to be a false dichotomy. The stereotypes are that intuition happens "to" someone, while rationality is something someone "does"; passive vs. active. That's not really true. Rationality is less active than we think; intuition is less passive. The subconscious plays a role in both interfaces.
This is how I see it too. What I was presenting were my understandings of what many others believe. I think very little of what we think and do is what I would call rational. I don't call it irrational either. It's non-rational. I try to be aware of my experience of thinking. What I find is that most of my thinking is intuitive, even for intellectual or technical issues. Conscious, rational thought comes in when I have to deal with something unfamiliar or more complex. Lots of other people don't experience it that way. It is a common experience for me to not consciously realize what I know until I put it into words.
I don’t think I’m talking about intuition. For me, the human form of life is primary, not the mental happenings of a subject of experience considered in isolation. I’m generally against the latter, Cartesian sort of epistemology, which is just what is usually meant by epistemology.
I wonder if we're talking about the same thing, just using different words. What you are describing seems consistent with what I'm saying.
Lots of other people don't experience it that way.
I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not convinced the majority of people are aware of how they experience things; what the interface consists of. This is a major reason why I don't bother with actual philosophical discussion here much anymore.
But antyway, we've gotten much too thoughtful for the shoutbox. I ate leftover pizza for dinner.
This is a major reason why I don't bother with actual philosophical discussion here much anymore.
I lost interest years ago, but regained it recently for reasons I’ve been trying to unearth. I think it was something to do with reading the novel Crash, which I didn’t like but which got me thinking again.
I do lurk in the real threads, and did notice your renewed interest, which has somewhat inspired me as well, but not to the point of actually doing anything about it. But I can relate; every time I finish a PKD novel I'm exasperated to the point of wanting to start a thread, it would seem.
I have been inspired to do so, but, like you, not to the point of actually doing anything about it.
I have an idea for a thread about history, about whether philosophy is subordinate to it or the other way around. If philosophy is subordinate to history—because ideas are conditioned by transient social circumstances—does that entail its full relativization? And yet if saying so is itself doing philosophy (philosophy of the history of philosophy) am I thereby transcending history and saving philosophy from relativism, or just doing sociology or anthropology? The question of historicism. I don’t remember having seen it addressed on TPF, even though to me it’s fundamental. It’s difficult though.
A critical theorist might identify in this comment the structure of capitalism. It reveals that our idea of knowledge is modelled on the endless drive for profit, where knowledge becomes just another form of capital.
Do it. I will contribute, albeit poorly. Hint: I will argue in history's favor. Concepts of what is actual are constantly changing without our knowledge or consent. But that's not only okay, but required. And other woo woo sentiments. etc.
Concepts of what is actual are constantly changing without our knowledge or consent. But that's not only okay, but required
I tend in that direction too, but I’m thinking it’s a dialectical thing and that philosophy is not thereby denigrated, unless it ignores the fact (like a lot of analytic philosophy does).
Reply to Noble Dust Once I accumulate enough knowledge to realize adequate profits on my learning investment, I will be starting literally thousands of discussions.
critical theorist might identify in this comment the structure of capitalism. It reveals that our idea of knowledge is modelled on the endless drive for profit, where knowledge becomes just another form of capital.
I'd like to think this true, but sometimes I fear the knowledge I amass from the Shoutbox has no value in the marketplace.
What I was presenting were my understandings of what many others believe. I think very little of what we think and do is what I would call rational. I don't call it irrational either. It's non-rational. I try to be aware of my experience of thinking. What I find is that most of my thinking is intuitive, even for intellectual or technical issues. Conscious, rational thought comes in when I have to deal with something unfamiliar or more complex. Lots of other people don't experience it that way. It is a common experience for me to not consciously realize what I know until I put it into words.
What do you think of the following tweet from Matt Dillahunty. Knowledge is a subset of belief. While it's a separate question - belief (either convinced of x or not convinced of x) is binary for an individual proposition.
This is how I see it too. What I was presenting were my understandings of what many others believe. I think very little of what we think and do is what I would call rational. I don't call it irrational either. It's non-rational. I try to be aware of my experience of thinking. What I find is that most of my thinking is intuitive, even for intellectual or technical issues. Conscious, rational thought comes in when I have to deal with something unfamiliar or more complex. Lots of other people don't experience it that way. It is a common experience for me to not consciously realize what I know until I put it into words.
I see it as the more thought I put into something, the better I understand it, with language being a useful tool for engaging in the thought. I disagree with those who suggest knowledge and language are inextricable. I do often have an intuitive response to something I hear, knowing it illogical or problematic, or even persuasive and clear, but then I better develop that understanding or position after increased thought, which typically occurs in language (although not entirely). I also find that I often look for words to describe what I already know, indicating the knowledge preceded the linguistic conversion.
There have been many discussions in this Forum regarding linguistic philosophy and find those arguments that designate a necessary role of language with thought (or certain types of thought) not just unpersuasive, but empirically false. That is, regardless of the way people declare that language and thought are intertwined, to the extent it is not consistent with my own personal experience, I just find it wrong.
I also find that I often look for words to describe what I already know, indicating the knowledge preceded the linguistic conversion.
Aye but mentally searching for words is linguistic mentation. You're already in language at that point. The conversion, if there is one, I think of as being from attitude to words, through thought. Thought can do this because it's both pre-linguistic and linguistic at the same time.
Take your knowledge that you have not been to the moon (I'm just guessing here). I don't think you can be said to know it till you've singled it out in thought, before which point there is no it at all, because it's just part of your undifferentiated underlying certainty.
Maybe there's no general scheme here. Knowledge and thought come in wildly different flavours.
I quite enjoyed using the word "mentation" despite its atrociousness.
Breakfast: banana, apple, coffee
Lunch: sauteed chicken livers, onions, and bell peppers, again
Dinner: coming up soon, roast chicken thighs with couscous salad, raspberry sorbet
Couscous salad! One of my favourites. Mercadona sells couscous salad in cute packagings.
It's unfortunate that you promised to yourself never to go back there.
I make mine with apple, yellow pepper, olives, pomegranate arils, feta cheese, and parsley. I've mentioned it at least once before in the Shoutbox and I refuse to do so again.
Knowledge is a subset of belief. While it's a separate question - belief (either convinced of x or not convinced of x) is binary for an individual proposition.
I'm not sure what it means, but it sounds like something I would disagree with.
I see it as the more thought I put into something, the better I understand it, with language being a useful tool for engaging in the thought. I disagree with those who suggest knowledge and language are inextricable. I do often have an intuitive response to something I hear, knowing it illogical or problematic, or even persuasive and clear, but then I better develop that understanding or position after increased thought, which typically occurs in language (although not entirely). I also find that I often look for words to describe what I already know, indicating the knowledge preceded the linguistic conversion.
I agree with this with one clarification. The level of mental effort I put into something should be consistent with the uncertainty of my source of information and consequences of me being wrong. In that context, I think most of the decisions we make don't require much deep insight or understanding and can be handled using intuition.
There have been many discussions in this Forum regarding linguistic philosophy and find those arguments that designate a necessary role of language with thought (or certain types of thought) not just unpersuasive, but empirically false.
It's unfortunate that you promised to yourself never to go back there.
I regret such statement because it is impossible for me not to go to Mercadona. It has a gravitational power that drags me into its zone, like a magnet.
Reply to T Clark
He is simply saying belief is a binary choice, you either accept x is true or not.
Knowledge is justified true BELIEF, so belief to which, you assign a very high credence level, to the extent that if you discover that belief is false, it would 'shake you to your very core.'
He goes into the details here:
Take your knowledge that you have not been to the moon (I'm just guessing here). I don't think you can be said to know it till you've singled it out in thought, before which point there is no it at all, because it's just part of your undifferentiated underlying certainty.
Maybe, but I don't think I need to think it in words to know it and it be a part of undifferentiated underlying certainty. That is, I can see a man bouncing around on the moon taking a giant step for mankind and know that experience is one I've never had without reducing that thought into words.
I'm not sure if you were saying otherwise though because you say this:
In that context, I think most of the decisions we make don't require much deep insight or understanding and can be handled using intuition.
Or I'd say that deep insight and understanding is part of human intuition, meaning we are very good at navigating our world because we are inherently intelligent creatures that are able to process massive amounts of data subconsciously without having to parse everything out in charts and graphs or language of any sort. For example, I drive my car down the road with thousands of data inputs coming at me at incredible speeds, yet I'm still able to avoid any collisions with well over 99% accuracy.
Adding to this story. I once was driving on a country road and a kid crossed the road on his bicycle well in front of me and he was smiling and laughing, and as he got to the other side, he looked back quickly. I slammed on my brakes and seconds later a second kid came crossing, who I think I would have hit.
After catching my breath, I realized that I had instinctively understood that he was laughing at the kid he was beating in the race and he was looking back to see how far ahead he was. That was never put into language for me, nor was it "how to" knowledge. It was a firm understanding of kids, bicycles, country roads, and oncoming cars.
Maybe, but I don't think I need to think it in words to know it and it be a part of undifferentiated underlying certainty. That is, I can see a man bouncing around on the moon taking a giant step for mankind and know that experience is one I've never had without reducing that thought into words
I agree you don’t need to think it in words to be certain of it. But (1) for thought or knowledge to be linguistic or entwined with language doesn’t entail thinking in words, (2) I think it’s sometimes wrong to say we know things that we’re certain of, things we would never doubt.
Are you allowing for the existence of all types of thought without language?
Do I think all types of thought are sometimes non-linguistic or can exist without language? I’m not even sure if any kind of thought can be said to be independent of language, for a linguistic being. Everything we think is linguistic in some sense, perhaps, but not to the extent that we are literally talking to ourselves silently, i.e., thinking in words.
After catching my breath, I realized that I had instinctively understood that he was laughing at the kid he was beating in the race and he was looking back to see how far ahead he was. That was never put into language for me, nor was it "how to" knowledge. It was a firm understanding of kids, bicycles, country roads, and oncoming cars.
I knew you'd say that. In fact, I said it to make you say what you said, like a puppet on a string.
But the first kid looking back was a non-symbolic gesture, communicating to me the second child was on his way. Do we call his looking back a linguistic expression and how does that meaningfully differ had he yelled out "second kid on the way!" ? Obviously the red leaf does not communicate the arrival of autumn in a linguistic way, but it points to the difficulty in determining where language and communication generally begin and end.
If I'm translating the gesture and arriving at the knowledge of an oncoming second child from that and I translate the speed of my car as too fast to avoid a second child, and we call this "how-to", then I don't know where to draw the line either.
But the first kid looking back was a non-symbolic gesture, communicating to me the second child was on his way. Do we call his looking back that a linguistic expression and how does that meaningfully differ had he yelled out "second kid on the way!" ? Obviously the red leaf does not communicate the arrival of autumn in a linguistic way, but it points to the difficulty in determining where language and communication generally begin and end.
If I'm translating the gesture and arriving at the knowledge of an oncoming second child from that and I translate the speed of my car as too fast to avoid a second child, and we call this "how-to", then I don't know where to draw the line either.
It seems equally difficult to see it as propositional knowledge. But this is where I have trouble, because to give a proposition as a candidate for a belief, such as “I believed there was another child crossing the road,” is an imposition on an activity after the fact. It’s not identifying anything mental.
He is simply saying belief is a binary choice, you either accept x is true or not.
Knowledge is justified true BELIEF, so belief to which, you assign a very high credence level, to the extent that if you discover that belief is false, it would 'shake you to your very core.'
No. I don't accept any of this. We've had lots of discussions of justified true belief here before.
Alright, so I'm going to enter some final conclusions now. Enough of the back and forth and it's time for a ruling.
Language is a form of communication and it differs only in degree from all other forms of communication.
So, the red leaf telling us that autumn has arrived is just another way of saying "autumn is on the way." Both are propositional, just the former isn't intentional, as would be the case where a speaker says something. For our purposes the intentional/non-intentional distinction is irrelevant.
"How to knowledge" designations are bad faith attempts drawn by those who wish to preserve the untenable view that all knowledge is propositional except this particular "how to" type. That special class is hereby declared false.
That's my ruling. You can appeal it if you want. I don't care, but that's my rulling. Sometimes it's just better to have finality.
Or I'd say that deep insight and understanding is part of human intuition, meaning we are very good at navigating our world because we are inherently intelligent creatures that are able to process massive amounts of data subconsciously without having to parse everything out in charts and graphs or language of any sort.
I was making the distinction between conscious, language mediated, rational thinking and intuitive thinking which does not use words and generally works below the level of immediate awareness.
Reply to Hanover I accept the ruling even though every one of its constituent statements is false, except for the bit that begins with “That is my ruling,” which I agree with.
Language is a form of communication and it differs only in degree from all other forms of communication.
So, the red leaf telling us that autumn has arrived is just another way of saying "autumn is on the way." Both are propositional, just the former isn't intentional, as would be the case where a speaker says something. For our purposes the intentional/non-intentional distinction is irrelevant.
I don't know what this means, but I think I probably disagree with it. I do agree with @Jamal that this does, in fact, appear to be your ruling.
What I find curious is how there is argument following the final ruling, as if the trial should occur after the verdict. We've reached finality here, not in a perfect sort of way, but in a human, flawed, endearing sort of way, where we can have the assurance of a final decree without having to forever mire ourselves in directionless nuance. What I lay before you isn't knowledge, but wisdom, a way to live your life, a comfort and a blessing, and yet you continue on with your debate, round and round you go, nowhere closer to wherever you were hoping to go than when you started.
Reply to Alkis Piskas Yeah, It is important to maintain a healthy weight and state in a good form. I have to visit the doctor one time per month because I always had a tendency to be fat. But that's something from the past because in the last two years I have lost 25 kg and my average weight for the year oscillates between 85 and 87 kg.
I'm 6'9", 350 lbs, schlong the size of an oak tree. I can run a 3 minute mile and eat nothing but cheese. Don't mean to brag, but I'm quite the specimen.
But the first kid looking back was a non-symbolic gesture, communicating to me the second child was on his way. Do we call his looking back a linguistic expression and how does that meaningfully differ had he yelled out "second kid on the way!" ? Obviously the red leaf does not communicate the arrival of autumn in a linguistic way, but it points to the difficulty in determining where language and communication generally begin and end.
Great story. :up: Moral: everything is energy, mannnnn! :victory: :love: :flower:
I'm 6'9", 350 lbs, schlong the size of an oak tree. I can run a 3 minute mile and eat nothing but cheese. Don't mean to brag, but I'm quite the specimen.
I think perhaps It's the marbles and chicken bones.
I woke up with the sound of the rain. A while ago that it hadn't been rain in Madrid.
Breakfast: two slices of whole bread with virgin oil and tomato (as always) and Turkish coffee.
I woke up to the silence of snowfall. I could hear the silence because it’s women’s day, a national holiday, so there’s very little traffic on the streets.
“Down with kitchen slavery! Let there be new household life.” Circa 1930.
I awoke to the violent thumping of rabbits outside my window, their fangs clanging against the bending reinforced steel bars, not sure how much longer they'd be kept away, in a cold sweat, finger on the trigger, wondering who'll eventually prevail. Either way, this will be a hell of a Wednesday.
Fruity Pebbles cereal and a slab of cold bacon.
Fred Flinstone, why do you mock me?
I think I never seen those cereals in Mercadona or AhorraMás. (if these supermarkets don't have "fruity pebbles" means that it is impossible to find them in Spain)
think I never seen those cereals in Mercadona or AhorraMás. (if these supermarkets don't have "fruity pebbles" means that it is impossible to find them in Spain)
You can always order it online. That massive box should satisfy your Fruity Pebbles needs for at least a few weeks.
unenlightenedMarch 08, 2023 at 11:48#7871730 likes
The average weight of a human skeleton is 9 kg, so I won't be getting down to 4 kg any time in the next few decades. Unless I'm cremated. The average weight of human ashes is around 3 kg :up:
The average weight of a human skeleton is 9 kg, so I won't be getting down to 4 kg any time in the next few decades. Unless I'm cremated. The average weight of human ashes is around 3 kg
The reason the unburned body weighs 5 kg more than the ashes is due to the removal of the weight of the soul upon death.
One way therefore to quickly reduce your weight is to sell your soul away, but I don't recommend that because that typically ends with your having to do something you'd rather not, but just know that option is there if you need to fit into an old suit for some reason.
The reason the unburned body weighs 5 kg more than the ashes is due to the removal of the weight of the soul upon death.
One way therefore to quickly reduce your weight is to sell your soul away, but I don't recommend that because that typically ends with your having to do something you'd rather not, but just know that option is there if you need to fit into an old suit for some reason.
This is an option I hadn't considered. Thanks :up:
unenlightenedMarch 08, 2023 at 13:12#7872030 likes
It is, but there are many unscrupulous folks coming to rent souls, and you can't be sure of safe return, or at least in having them returned just as you rented them out. I made a good profit on mine, but I noticed since getting it back, I have a serious problem with dishonesty that I didn't previously have, so I'm thinking there was some tinkering.
Oh well, live and learn.
unenlightenedMarch 08, 2023 at 14:25#7872190 likes
That massive box should satisfy your Fruity Pebbles needs for at least a few weeks.
— Hanover
I wish our supermarkets sell big packages like that one, indeed! :up:
The first giant bowl of this kandy-koloured kiddie kocaine is always the best. However, one may soon find themselves in a dumpster behind a grocery store, scavenging for more, and fighting off raccoons. Very delicious though, and a part of a complete breakfast! :razz:
Sam’s Club: “an American chain of membership-only retail warehouse clubs owned and operated by Walmart Inc., founded in 1983 and named after Walmart founder Sam Walton as Sam’s Wholesale Club”
Warehouse club: “a retail store, usually selling a wide variety of merchandise, in which customers may buy large, wholesale quantities of the store's products, which makes these clubs attractive to both bargain hunters and small business owners.”
Ah, I’ve been to those places.
So what you meant was that it was a really big box like you get in a warehouse club retail store.
Whoever said the Shoutbox was hard work wasn’t kidding. But I’m learning.
Very delicious though, and a part of a complete breakfast! :razz:
Breakfast is indeed the most important meal of the day. So, if it complements the diet, I will eat them along with rye bread. Hmm... A while ago that I don't consume cereals, now that we are debating on this aliment. We don't have such special cereals here; most of them are boring and tasteless.
Breakfast is indeed the most important meal of the day
Disagree!
There is no conclusive evidence to suggest whether breakfast is the most important meal of the day and, therefore important to consider personal circumstances and preferences. For example, those who are pre-diabetic and diabetic may find consuming a lower GI breakfast beneficial and help them concentrate better
The real question is what to get for lunch today. Because of my odd work schedule, Wednesday is usually take out day. Last week it was Senegalese, this week I’m feeling uninspired. I’ll probably just end up with a bodega sandwich*.
Damn, you're right. It's just a corner store. Some of them have a deli counter and make sandwiches that range from kinda gross to somehow really tasty.
Reply to Noble Dust I love cornershop sandwiches, especially when they’re a bit old and soggy. They have a special something, impossible to recreate at home or by the finest chefs.
But we’re talking about different things here. A deli counter in a corner shop is the very definition of exotic sophistication where I’m from.
Now look ND, before you judge me remember I’m from the UK, where as young lads and lassies we develop an affection for foods that others in the world might recoil from. That said…yes, the ones in the triangular packages. Like this or worse:
You can find pre-packaged sandwiches like that in grocery stores here. But yes, every time I enjoy a bodega sandwich I like to do so with a checkered table cloth, a cold beer, and surrounded by the raw ingredients I'm now consuming in cooked form.
They have to be pre-made, otherwise it's just cold food with bread and butter. I used to pre-make sandwiches amongst other services in the hotel I worked in, complete with the little triangular boxes, which came in big cardboard boxes of 2000. Available from your packaging wholesaler, so you can pre-make your own.
But look at trendy Jamal, with his biodegradable sandwiches and granary bread! But I can't see any of the people they claim are in them?
Once I was on a train from England to Scotland and they had a cart of pre-packaged sandwiches. The one I choose was of chopped grey pieces of meat swimming in mayonnaise. It tasted pretty terrible, but I'm not picky.
The man handed it to me with his bright pink painted nails, releasing it with a giggle onto my barely satin covered lap, and he then brushed the back of his knuckes against my cheek and fluttered his fingers in my ear canal. Our gazes caught one another and we stayed motionless for what seemed an eternity, our jaws ajar, counting the time from the sound of the train bouncing down the track.
A satin tent formed, and I tried to quell it with the coldness of the sandwich, only to complicate matters from the slippery slidiness of the mayo and gray meat flecks bringing now to the brink. I opened my mouth wider, the sound of a raven caw emitted, startling the elderly woman next to me, resulting in a similar tent formation under her flowery dress.
I thought to myself at this moment, "Hanover, you're a long way from home."
But I can't see any of the people they claim are in them?
I see now that you interpret “sandwich people,” and probably “ice cream man” and “egg man,” on the model of “gingerbread man.” The difference is that gingerbread men are real men made of gingerbread, whereas the others are not.
The difference is that gingerbread men are real men made of gingerbread, whereas the others are not.
In my day the milkman, the coal man and the bin man were all accorded the dignity of existence, and a tip at Christmas. But now the sandwich man is not a real man. I'm so disappointed
Reply to Noble Dust Eager to see your bodega sandwich I avidly clicked on the link, only to get a 403 error (forbidden) and "The request could not be satisfied". I assume it's because my VPN's not working again. Is there a bunch of techies in a room somewhere in Moscow right now shutting down VPN routes? Is that how it works? How do they do that? I should probably know that stuff.
Another issue: wolfmen are men, but also wolves, or else they are part wolf, part man. I don't think this can be applied to sandwich people, milkmen, or gingerbread men.
How can something be "pre-made"? If it hasn't been made, then it isn't. If it has been made, then it is. Some for "pre-pare", "pre-sliced", "pre-chopped", "pre-bendiary", or "pre-sident?
Reply to Jamal Vlad will get it before you do; you'll be sent to Siberia for not bringing him the actual sandwich. Vlad is a hungry lad.
By the way, the technical glitch with Noble Dust's sandwich lies between his ears, Apparently he doesn't know how to capture and post the picture. What he posted is a link to a mug-printing website. Mug as in receptacle for coffee.
If this morning I was visualizing and crafting the bodega sandwich of my glutinous dreams before I placed my order with the dude and made it so, at what point in time can it be said to have come into existence?
How can something be "pre-made"? If it hasn't been made, then it isn't. If it has been made, then it is. Some for "pre-pare", "pre-sliced", "pre-chopped", "pre-bendiary", or "pre-sident?
That's why everything that is must necessarily have been previously made, either by the God of Sandwiches, or some lessor deity. Even your post, poor though it is, has been pre-made either by yourself or the postman. @Jamal is a postman sceptic, but he will be proved wrong at the last post when all deliveries will be returned to Sender.
Imagine egg salad but made with scrambled eggs. Sorry.
8 months ago you attacked my ham, egg, and quail’s egg mayo sandwich because you thought I meant the eggs were scrambled. Now, you still can’t get it out of your head.
When I get an itch and it’s awkward to reach at the time, I wait for it to go away. If it doesn’t, I feel some respect and admiration for the itch. I’m impressed by its tenacity and I no longer dismiss it as a minor irritation. Sometimes I even talk to it, e.g., “respect” or “fair enough, good for you.” With a certain deference and without resentment, I make whatever rearrangements I need to make to scratch it.
When I get an itch and it’s awkward to reach at the time, I wait for it to go away. If it doesn’t, I feel some respect and admiration for the itch. I’m impressed by its tenacity and I no longer dismiss it as a minor irritation. Sometimes I even talk to it, e.g., “respect” or “fair enough, good for you.” With a certain deference and without resentment, I make whatever rearrangements I need to make to scratch it.
By the way, the technical glitch with Noble Dust's sandwich lies between his ears, Apparently he doesn't know how to capture and post the picture. What he posted is a link to a mug-printing website. Mug as in receptacle for coffee.
Woah, I did that from my phone and assumed you were making a joke, but I just got home and saw it's true (sort of). :yikes: As this is a very high priority matter, I will try to resolve it as soon as possible.
That bread looks crunchy, and the products themselves are tasty. It is a fact that we should consider: putting lettuce in a sandwich is mandatory. What would be the opposite?
I think tomato and lettuce are the main ingredients that make substantial sandwiches. The other products are accessory.
Ha, it's not, unfortunately. They do toast it a bit, so there's some crunch, but bodega bread is not great. We eat it anyway, though, and we sort of love it here. The cold cuts and cheese are always reliable, however. Yes, despite being a tomato lover, I find lettuce to be the priority on a sandwich. If given the choice between only lettuce or only tomato (in addition to meat, cheese and condiments) I would choose lettuce (unless tomatoes are in season). I'm not totally sure why. But obviously they're best together, and ideally complimented with something pickled, like banana peppers, as found on that particular sandwich.
Ha, it's not, unfortunately. They do toast it a bit, so there's some crunch, but bodega bread is not great. We eat it anyway, though, and we sort of love it here.
If given the choice between only lettuce or only tomato (in addition to meat, cheese and condiments) I would choose lettuce (unless tomatoes are in season).
Yeah, I would choose lettuce instead of tomatoes if I had to sacrifice one of them. Lettuce has a special taste that is weird to describe or explain, but when you put it on a sandwich, it changes the taste.
Lettuce has a special taste that is weird to describe or explain, but when you put it on a sandwich, it changes the taste.
Yeah, I think you need the vegetal freshness. Tomato provides acidity, but so do things like mustard and pickled vegetables. Good tomatoes also have a meaty quality which enhances the actual meat on the sandwich, but basically, acidity and meatiness are things you can achieve with other ingredients. Lettuce, or any green leaf, brings something different. That said, I think tomatoes are more important on vegetarian sandwiches. Can you tell I think about food too much?
Yes, so I do as well. Food and recipes are very important. We need to feed us to survive, so it is normal to have a lot of thoughts on food flowing in our minds. Whenever I finish my dinner, I suddenly start to think about the lunch of the following day.
I think tomato and lettuce are the main ingredients that make substantial sandwiches.
In the US, it's hard to get a good tomato. Even in growing season, most delis still use hard, grey ones. My son's farm sells organic tomatoes to the local Superette, but they still use tennis ball tomatoes on their sandwiches.
Yes, so I do as well. Food and recipes are very important. We need to feed us to survive, so it is normal to have a lot of thoughts on food flowing in our minds. Whenever I finish my dinner, I suddenly start to think about the lunch of the following day.
At the risk of sounding painfully American, I love the European attitude towards food. I aspire to it. Thankfully, my mom's side of the family (Scandinavian) are also food-obsessed, so I like to think it comes naturally. I do worry that there's a socioeconomic component to foody-ism, but then I remind myself I'm always broke, and then I feel vindicated in a twisted way.
Reply to T Clark It is hard to get a good tomato here too. The land and harvest are managed by big companies and industries that do not care about the care of tomatoes.
Regular turkey (meaning plane roasted turkey cold cuts), provolone, lettuce tomato, banana peppers, and mayo, and the classic lack of mustard that I requested. Every damn time. Made "hot", usually meaning they throw the meat and cheese on a flat top grill that they cook all sorts of shit in, so you sometimes get "unique" flavors and colors added to your food. Generally the bun is sent through a rotary toaster to warm it, then the cold ingredients are assembled on top at the end. These sandwiches hit you like crack cocaine, and, true to form, you generally feel like shit by the end of it. Wouldn't have it any other way.
I like the verb "take" in regards to eating. In America I would say "I had tomato toast for breakfast". But saying I "took tomato toast for breakfast" has a romantic ring to it. I plan on adopting the phrase.
I like that. I also like, but cannot use in the UK without seeming rude, the way of ordering in restaurants and cafés like “gimme a club sandwich”. In the UK we have to say “If you please good sir/madam, gimme a club sandwich.”
I'm not sure what culture that refers to, but I did notice that every time I eat out with my brother, he says "let me get X". My parents, who are good people, I swear, have become senile and just say "Chicken parm" with a weird look on their faces. In NYC, the joke is "lemme get uhhhhhhhhh" and then you say what you want. :brow:
"Gimme a club sandwich" would be unequivocally understood as rude anywhere in America. The "lemme get" is somehow ok. That's not to say there aren't strange social mores that might seem rude but are understood to be polite here. Particularly in NYC, I can think of a bodega by my work ( where I don't get the sandwiches, because they suck) where I do get canned iced coffee from time to time. The Yemeni owner of the shop is very curt, but I can tell he's a good man; I've shopped there since they opened, and now his greeting has changed from "hey" to "hey brother". Big win.
Reply to Noble Dust Ok cool, I’m learning. The Yemenis of New York are rude and don’t know how to make a good sandwich, but they have hearts of gold. :up:
For dinner last night, I had beef sirloin tips seasoned with a Korean sauce cooked on the griddle with broccoli, green peppers, and onions. I seasoned the vegetables with soy sauce and let the broccoli steam under a lid to soften it and to capture the saltiness of the soy sauce.
I made enough vegetables that I didn't need any rice, as I try to avoid that due to its high glycemic index score.
For a guy who pretends to be a backwoods farmer, I'm actually a pretty good cook. You never really know what sort of truth you're getting with me though, as has been pointed out from time to time.
It is hard to get a good tomato here too. The land and harvest are managed by big companies and industries that do not care about the care of tomatoes.
I'm surprised. Everyone I know who has been to Spain says the food is wonderful.
It is indeed. My mother cooks such a lunch because she was taught by my grandparents when she was a child, and my grandpas suffered a lot of hunger and scarcity after the Spanish civil war (more if you were part of the losing side).
Reply to T Clark Our food is wonderful, yes. Those people didn't lie to you. But it is hard to find the products because they are bought by important restaurants or rich countries such as the UK, Sweden, Norway, etc. For example, the British enterprise Minute Maid buys all the Spanish oranges. I don't know when was the last time I ate an orange from Valencia and not from Morocco...
Not sure if I mentioned to you guys I got a griddle. I highly recommend it. It has changed my life.
Here's the one I got: https://blackstoneproducts.com/products/original-36in-griddle-w-hood
I've cooked steaks on it as well, but if you get one with bone-in (like a T-bone), it's hard to get full meat contact with the surface.
In order to meet the Shoutbox standards, I've done much research for this next post, so I hope it is appreciated.
In the US (i.e. the land of the free and home of the brave, see "Star Spangled Banner" by Francis Scott Key), we have what are referred to as habachi restaraunts. Those establishments purport to be purveyors of Japanese food, where the food is cooked on a large open griddle. Be warned however. That is not true habachi. True habachi I am to learn refers to cooking over an open flame of some sort. What we in the US (see reference above to what this means) call habachi is (sit down, cuz this will blow your mind) called teppanyaki.
Here's how that works. A guy takes an egg and he spins it on the griddle and he calls it a Japanese egg roll. Then he flips cooked shrimp from his spatula into your open mouth, but he'll flip a few into his chef's hat too to everyone's delight. Then he takes a bunch of cut onion rings and stacks them on top of eachother and pours something flammable in it and he lights it and calls it a Japanese volcano and it cinges your eyelashes. Everyone again laughs in delight.
It might be, as my research has revealed, that that is not really how Japanese people eat. Most disappointing.
When my kids used to say "Dad, I have an idea," I'd say "did it die of loneliness?" That kept them mean and wanting, fully ready for life. Where's my thank you?
Hold on there. I'm still working on my first comeback. So far, I've got "My brain in Spain...." I'm trying to fit "maintain," "quatrain," or "multigrain," in there somewhere.
I like that. I also like, but cannot use in the UK without seeming rude, the way of ordering in restaurants and cafés like “gimme a club sandwich”. In the UK we have to say “If you please good sir/madam, gimme a club sandwich.”
I was visiting France with my brother. We were in a restaurant and, trying to use my high school French, I said "Je veux un autre bier, s'il vous plait." My brother corrected me and said it should be "Je voudrais un autre bier, s'il vous plait."
Reply to javi2541997 The last few winters in Denia I’ve seen mountains of rotting oranges, so there are in fact many Valencian oranges in Spain that haven’t been bought by foreign companies. It’s just that they cannot be sold.
Second best for me would be a Weber charcoal grill. I used to roast lamb legs in one of those.
That grill is particularly stupid for a few reasons. First, it has not top, which means that the smoke and heat can't be concentrated on the food. Second, it has no vent underneath the fire, which can affect the heat of the fire, and it it makes it much more difficult to clean. Third, the use of logs will require a longer period of time to burn down the wood into charcoal than if it just used charcoal. Fourth, the size of the wood would make it more difficult to change the height of the fire as opposed to how charcoal would work.
In sum, it's stupid, and no one should use that, lamb legs or otherwise.
So ORDERED this ninth day of March, 2023.
The Honorable Hanover Jebidiah "Oaktree Schlong" Beauregard, III.
Reply to Hanover I assume you mean the mangal and not the Weber. I can mount a point-by-point defence but I can’t be bothered right now. Suffice it to say they would not be the standard outdoor cooking method all over the Middle East, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Russia, and parts of Southern Europe if they didn’t work real good.
Actually I will make one point. The fact that the wood takes a long time to burn down is a bonus. You have time outdoors around a wood fire for a couple of hours before the food goes on. And it imparts great flavour. And wood just feels nicer and more satisfying to work with.
Actually I will make one point. The fact that the wood takes a long time to burn down is a bonus. You have time outdoors around a wood fire for a couple of hours before the food goes on. And it imparts great flavour. And wood just feels nicer and more satisfying to work with.
Those are multiple points, not just one. So I'll begin by denying your first point that there is only one point. My next response is to go back to the point you made before your first point, which I shall enumerate point zero, which is that there are many parts of the world where that grille is standard, so it must be good. I point out that murder is known the world over, and so, by the force of your logic, it too must be good.
I now pause for you to recover from this embarassment.
Next, with regard to the "great flavor," that is an important point, and one I had not thought of. I got so keyed up with other issues, I overlooked the question of taste and how that was actually the most significant issue of all.
I admit I have been bested in that regard.
I will now search the internet for a log holder with a tray on top of it and use that for my cooking needs, and I will even pay expedited shipping costs from Bahkikaistan so that it will arrive just in time for my 75th birthday.
I withdraw that last sentence. It was snarky. I guess I could have just deleted it, instead of saying I want to withdraw it, but my delete key was removed from my keyboard as far as anyone is concerned.
Reply to Noble Dust Oh! You were using a phone. Sorry. As smart as phones are alleged to be, for some tasks they are obstinate idiots. Actually, I don't know how to obtain the address of an image on a phone. I might do 3 full-faced grovels in the dirty March slush as an apology.
I will make one or possibly more points though. When I said “Actually I will make one point” I assumed you’d be able to see that what appear to be separate points are grouped under an encompassing single point that answered your criticism of the use of wood, which was itself one point. I agree it was ambiguous and that I should have said “Actually I will respond to one of your points.”
You have time outdoors around a wood fire for a couple of hours before the food goes on.
Two hours! Hey, we're starving here.
BTW, frequent meals cooked over glowing coals or flames raises the risk of gastrointestinal cancer. So, donate to the Electric Frypan Fund for Russian and Caucasian Peasants. Aromatic hydrocarbons will get you.
Besides, the outdoor is over-rated. There are blood-sucking parasites flying around, the air is dense with smoke from all those cook-outs, and sitting on logs is risky when drinking for two hours, waiting for the fire to burn down.
languages are beautiful and it helps us to understand the world in a better way
Yes, I certainly felt I gained a deeper appreciation of reality when I spoke my first word, which was “meatballs”. Hitherto I had not grasped the concept of a plurality of things, but Uncle Peter’s diverse array of meatballs allowed me to see the world afresh, a world full, not just of meatballs, but of all kinds of things.
I don’t know if you’re aware, but in British English we call this “talking bollocks”.
There are certain instances of eating that one regrets the moment it is over. It isn't that the food makes one sick. These are not toxic, botulinus infested death dishes. One is just very hungry and suddenly some fragrant fast-food grease scent wafts across one's nose. Before one can stop one's self, a thing has been wolfed down. One might feel better if one hadn't swallowed it whole, but the main thing is that the gut's nervous system registers shock and disgust. "What did we do to deserve this... greasy, salty, oniony, charred thing?" One feels guilt, disgust, and revulsion -- but hunger has abated.
I don’t know if you’re aware, but in British English we call this “talking bollocks”.
I know the expression. The problem is that I don't really know when I can use it. As a basic concept, I describe "talking bollocks" as speaking or talking with nonsense. But it seems that it has both positive and negative connotations.
I remember that in a English learning book of mine this expression appeared. It was about a political speech and the ending was "he talked dog's bollocks" (or something related...:lol: ) I thought it was referring that the speech of the politician had zero value or was senseless.
Funny. ChatGPT made a grammatical error. I hadn't expect it to do so. Exchange attached.
That just shows how human it is. It's like the only way to tell a synthetic diamond from a naturally occurring one is that the synthetic one is without flaws, so this is how they further fool you.
Reply to T Clark The differences between us are clear to the trained eye. It’s true that we both talk bollocks, but our respective bollocks have different flavours and textures. Hanover would not use the word “hitherto,” for example.
The differences between us are clear to the trained eye. It’s true that we both talk bollocks, but our respective bollocks have different flavours and textures. Hanover would not use the word “hitherto,” for example.
I think "...when I spoke my first word, which was “meatballs”..." is a classic Hanoverism. I took a class in textual redaction in college, so I definitely know what I'm talking about.
But at the same time I was referring back to the earlier meatballs, which were entirely my own. What you might say is that like some kind of insidious shapeshifting parasite, I mimic the styles of others while introducing my own content.
But at the same time I was referring back to the earlier meatballs, which were entirely my own. What you might say is that like some kind of insidious shapeshifting parasite, I mimic the styles of others while introducing my own content.
My Uncle Pete, before the law caught up with him, used to have the local ladies see how many meatballs they could stuff in their mouths.
A young lassie named Lassie had the most remarkable chipmunk cheeks and so she won and so she and Uncle Petey wed beneath a peat covered shed atop Ben Lougherighougher (pronounced "lick-spick-spit" for a reason lost to time).
They had three kids, all by different mothers and fathers, and all named Peat. Each would remind one another a meatball is just a meatball, after all.
Reply to javi2541997 Did your English learning book tell you what 'bollocks' are? They are cojones. Habla cojones en Español?
Probably not. Habla chorradas en Español?
Bollocks means
1. the testicles.
2. used to express contempt, annoyance, or defiance.
Why such an important organ should be used for such negative purposes is a mystery. Given how people view things, "talking rectum" or "talking anus" would make more sense. As in "talking shit".
I take these comments to be equivalent to "Jamal, you are a weirdo."
I love language, reading and writing. Of all the things I love about language, I love punctuation most. Of all punctuation, I love those that represent pauses the most - commas, semi-colons, dashes, periods, colons. Of all the pauses, I love elipses (...) the most. An elipsis means text left out. After a word or at the end of a phrase, I use it to mean that there is something to come. Something that doesn't seem to want to come easily. A pause to think of the right thing to say. Ironic. Subtle.
So, no, it doesn't mean anything nearly as ordinary as "Jamal, you are a weirdo."
My favourite is the em dash—standard in typography but unfortunately not standard on computer keyboards.
I never knew there were two dashes - "en" and "em," the em twice as long as the en. Boy, talk about subtle differences in usage. You've changed my life!
Reply to T Clark I'm happy for you. I only wish I could make the discovery again to repeat the feelings of joy and wonder. I'm hardly even exaggerating.
Reply to T Clark By the way, I think you can get the em dash with a certain key combination on most computers. Doesn't work on mine though. (I know I could configure it, before anyone says)
Did your English learning book tell you what 'bollocks' are?
Yes, he explained to us the meaning of "bollocks!" I remember quite well. The only issue was how to express them in different phrases. When you study English, there comes a moment where the increased level demands knowing and understanding these particular things. We have a big examen of both English grammar and vocabulary. One part is related to slang expressions or "phrasal verbs"
Why such an important organ should be used for such negative purposes is a mystery.
We use the female organ with same sense! there is a phrase that says: ¡Vaya coñazo! and the "coño" is the female sexual organ... so we can be accused of being sexist, indeed.
By the way, I think you can get the em dash with a certain key combination on most computers. Doesn't work on mine though. (I know I could configure it, before anyone says)
According to the Wikipedia page on dashes there are four kinds, and that's before we even get to hyphens and minus-signs.
Perhaps I will start a discussion about the significance of punctuation in language - perhaps not. Note that I used an en dash instead of an elipsis in that sentence. I like elipsis better.
Reply to T Clark Sorry to break it to you, but that's not an en dash, it's a hyphen. This is an en dash – as you can see it's longer than a hyphen, but not—I repeat not—as long as an em dash.
Sorry to break it to you, but that's not an en dash, it's a hyphen. This is an en dash – as you can see it's longer than a hyphen, but not—I repeat not—as long as an em dash.
It's all I have on my computer. From now on I'm going to do this: "Perhaps I will start a discussion about the significance of punctuation in language (en dash) perhaps not." I hope that will make things simpler.
Perhaps I will start a discussion about the significance of punctuation in language - perhaps not.
Many writers have thought it was significant. In the last round of short stories here I used em dashes for speech:
—Garrison Titmouse.
—What?
—I’m Garrison Titmouse, here to see David Swift.
(I also very carefully and with stunning effectiveness used ellipsis in that story)
I got the speech dashes from James Joyce, who used them in Ulysses, but several other writers have used it, and not only avant garde writers either. They can be very particular about it. There are all kinds of opinions about why and how different kinds of punctuation are good and bad, at least in creative writing.
What I'm saying is it's fertile ground for discussion.
I'm watching The Czech Republic vs. China in the World Baseball Classic. In a lot of ways, it's a sad attempt by MLB to be the World Cup. Not to sound overly American, but baseball is and always will be an American sport. A lot of these players are making high school level mistakes. That said, the game just heated up; China has been trailing the whole game and just tied it up in the bottom of the 7th.
baseball is and always will be an American sport. A lot of these players are making high school level mistakes
I see a tension here, even a flat contradiction. It's implicit in the idea of high school level mistakes that they can be overcome with more training, so when applied to non-American baseball this would suggest that more development of the sport would lead to less mistakes. And yet in the previous sentence you deny this is possible.
Godammit it's the shoutbox. But really, my beef is with MLB and this narrative they're pushing to try to make baseball this worldwide phenomenon. They're doing that because American baseball is on the decline; TV viewership and game attendance is down. So this attempt to extend the sport around the world is just really cringy. Some of these players are collegiate level players, and some are has-beens who have played for independent "pro" leagues in the US, in which you get paid practically nothing and definitely have to maintain a day job. Basically, MLB's attempt to be something like the World Cup is just embarrassing. Those are my true, secret feelings, now revealed for all the world to see.
Reply to javi2541997 If I was teaching an English class in the USA, I would call "spelt" (past tense of to spell) a minor error, like "humour" instead of "humor". UK English speakers use a number of "t" endings that Americans generally do not, Like "spelt", "spilt" and "whilst".
Spelt (the grain) has a health-food following in the US. I've made bread with it. Its nutritional profile is not exactly the same as wheat, and if I remember, it has little gluten in it. I don't avoid gluten; I'm a glutton for gluten.
So Yes, TC was making a pun on spelling and grain. I would give the pun a B+, at least.
In a thrilling turn of events, China took the lead 5 to 4, but in the top of the 9th, down to their last, with two outs, The Czech Republic has scored 4, setting China's sudden deficit to 8-5.
And Czechia wins. They were favored, but on the other hand, this is their fist appearance in the World Baseball Classic. But this is only the 5th World Baseball Classic. Again, cringe-worthy overall.
Reply to Noble Dust A damning indictment of the very concept of non-American baseball. Well I don't mind. You can keep your baseball to yourself as far as I'm concerned, along with your antiquated measurement system and rude ordering habits.
But if I moved to America I would think about following baseball in preference to the other sports. It has a certain aura about it that I like, some kind of down-to-earth coolness.
It has a certain aura about it that I like, some kind of down-to-earth coolness.
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll pretend I didn't say that and pat you violently on the back while chugging a bud light. Welcome to 'Murica.
So Yes, TC was making a pun on spelling and grain. I would give the pun a B+, at least.
Interesting. I learn something new everyday in this forum. When I wanted to type what I took for breakfast, I didn't know how does "espelta" in English, so I search the word. When I read "spelt" I felt that something was going wrong (Google can cheats on us sometimes...) and ended up being a wordplay. As I said, language is one of the most beautiful acts of humans and we should protect it.
Hay un montón de [s]mierda[/s] para saber en [s]el[/s] shoutbox.
Good try, but a few mistakes that aren't your fault but from Google which uses Spanish from Mexico...
"Mierda" (shit) is only used when we refer to stool/sediments (as the proper/literally meaning of the word of English). When it is said "we learn a lot of shit in the shoutbox" it is translated into Spanish as: Se aprende muchas cosas en shoutbox., Omitting the word mierda, because it has no sense in Spanish. We translate and interpret "some shit/a lot of shit" in terms of quantity. (I guess...)
On the other hand, and this one of the main mistakes from latinos... The abusive use of determinants. We don't use "él" or "la" to everything but they do. We just say shoutbox, no "el shoutbox" and it is grammatically ugly. I remember a Mexican folk in my university saying "la xbox", "el Perú", "la España" etc... Like dude, don't use possessive determinant ALWAYS.
But when we want to teach them, they call us "colonizers" :smile:
But this is just prejudice. It's similar to the middlebrow British habit of "correcting" American spelling and grammar. The fact is that you cannot stop language from changing in different places, and the geographic and cultural origin of a language has no special claim to be its most distinguished inheritor.
Reply to Jamal Trust me when I say that they use Spanish in a bad/ugly way just because they hate us. The RAE (Spanish Academy of Language) gradually accepted a lot of their "shit" but just to avoid the continuous attacks against our country (well, I already expressed this issue in the thread about sexist language).
I consider language a serious matter. That is why I try to use proper English on this site and try to learn something new every day. I am aware that my English is not perfect, but I rather use the words and think as an Anglo-Saxon, than use your language as "I want to" because it would be easier for me...
Many Spanish students decide to switch to Spanish Latino. They think it is easier to pass the exam because the grammar is softer. Jamal, I think this is dangerous for a language... Don't you think we should respect a basic sense towards grammar and lexicon?
Reply to javi2541997 I disagree with you on this, and I don’t think your response meets my challenge, but I don’t think I want to debate it. I’ve got enough on my plate already, and I haven’t even had breakfast. Maybe you could make a new discussion. Or maybe we can agree to disagree.
I’ll make one point. Spanish in Spain has changed since Cervantes, just as British English has changed since Shakespeare. This historical change within a country is not intrinsically superior to the changes that come about through geographical separation.
I want to make another point and I promise I leave this topic. As much as language has changed (as you pointed out), there still be standards, even everywhere. Here, in this site, we have to respect standards to keep quality in the posts, or someone can get banned otherwise. The mods do not feel "superior", they just want to preserve the standards and it is admired the effort accomplished by them.
That's is what I wanted to refer to language. I don't feel superior to an Andaluz or Mexican, but hey the standards and all.
Fin de la cita, ahora toca comerse un bocatea de jamón :razz:
Yes, we have standards, and they should be upheld. But (1) different standards apply in different contexts (which include different places), and (2) standards change under the pressure of organic linguistic change. It’s similar to laws: we should uphold the law, but also accept that the law can change. This is what happens in reality, with the law and with language. It’s not set in stone.
Standards are good partly because they allow for change.
At risk of offending you, it would be very easy to demonstrate where your English doesn't quite match a native speaker's English. Your English is very good, but there are issues. For instance,
Here, in this site, we have to respect standards to keep quality in the posts,
Which should be: "Here, on this site, we have to respect standards to keep quality."
Those are approximations of your phrases. I like you, and don't mean this as disparaging, but I agree with @Jamal that you're prejudiced here. I hope my demonstration of your good but slightly off English demonstrates your prejudice towards Latinos.
Trust me when I say that they use Spanish in a bad/ugly way just because they hate us.
If they are using grammar specifically with the intent to express their hate (dubious, but you asked we trust this assertion by you), it's not that their language is syntactically wrong or ugly, it's that their sentiment is negative and you disagree with them semantically. That is, you are disagreeing with what they said, not how they said it.
If you just think they speak ugly, even when they mean you no harm, then that's a different matter, and it feels like what you really mean to say.
It’s similar to laws: we should uphold the law, but also accept that the law can change. This is what happens in reality, with the law and with language. It’s not set in stone.
Good argument and I am agree. But the changes should go forward to a better understanding, not back-peddling. Sometimes, a change can be negative or not having enough substance to do so.
What I want to mean: Constructive changes and respect the solid bases of standards.
This is very American. I would more simply say “I promise to leave this topic,” or “I promise I’ll leave this topic”.
It was the Celts who gave us all these "do" words, especially prevalent in Appalachia. Things like "I've done told you, " and even "I'm done done with it" and "I done did it."
You done did this to us, and now you want to "leave this topic"?
You can't get all up in our business and then just leave out? Why you wanna do us like that?
Reply to Noble Dust No offence taken, and thank you for proofreading my English. Do you know what is the worse? That I use grammar check web pages to help me! But it seems that they are not supporting me...
Sorry, on and in are one of my main struggles in English grammar. It confuses me because we only have one word: "en..." So, it is difficult to me to properly distinguish the correct use in the phrases. I must to pick up a English grammar book again.
Reply to javi2541997 Maybe you’re right. The question is, how do we differentiate between good changes and bad?
By the way, if you’re open to corrections, I have one tip that will help you a lot in debate here. “I am agree” is very wrong. Just say “I agree,” or if you want to sound formal, “I am in agreement,” but I don’t recommend the latter. Otherwise :up:
if you’re open to corrections, I have one tip that will help you a lot in debate here. “I am agree” is very wrong. Just say “I agree,” or if you want to sound formal, “I am in agreement,” but I don’t recommend the latter.
I think you've missed the whole point of my correction of your grammar. It was probably lost in translation.
I was correcting your English grammar to show that you're a great English speaker, but far from correct. I wanted to show this in relation to your criticisms of "Latino" Spanish. They, like you, are adopting a (somewhat) new language. So, their grammar is not precise or poetic, as you mentioned. At the risk of offending you, I would suggest that your English grammar is a bit bad, by comparison. So can't you see yourself now in my assessment of people that speak a language badly?
Reply to Noble Dust I understand you now. My grammar is bad, and I should shut up my mouth and not be arrogant in criticizing others, whereas I am not even able to defend my own arguments grammatically.
I don't mean you should shut up in any way; that sounds rather harsh. And I was not trying to highlight a lack of grammatical ability in you, because I do think you have a strong grasp of English. I used your English mistakes to highlight how you don't understand English fully, which ironically mirrors your criticisms of Latino Spanish.
But they use our language syntactically wrong... If you were interested in Spanish language, you would notice it.
I get it, but you're saying they do it intentionally, which makes it a semantical distinction. It would be like if I mocked someone by speaking like them. My incorrect form is not incorrect form at all. I'm making an intentional variation to express a specific thought.
I'm just questioning whether a subculture is actually doing as you say, modifying their speech to a grating form just for the benefit of pissing you off. It'd be like me suggesting that black English is as it is because blacks enjoy annoying those stuck on speaking other forms. My thought is it really isn't about my me. It's just about how people are comfortable speaking with another.
Much change to language is owed to the fact that non-native adults start speaking it. Their corruptions due to their own language forms creeping in and their inability to learn the new language correctly(as children do) change the language permanently.
That is, you are changing English in your own small way right now. That you see the same happening to Spanish speaks to its success in being a more international language.
Serious question now. Does anyone else find that any page with an embedded video in one of the posts takes a lot longer to load than other pages? I’m wondering if this is a global issue or if YouTube is just working particularly slowly these days in Russia.
I mean, embeds will probably slow down the page load anywhere, but I’m wondering if it’s noticeable. It really annoys me.
Trust me when I say that they use Spanish in a bad/ugly way just because they hate us
There's no correct use of any language minus context. "Standard" Spanish is just the dominant dialect of Spanish; posing it as a yardstick against which other dialects should be normatively or aesthetically judged is misguided and prejudicial. There is nothing more objectively beautiful about the way you speak compared to how someone with another dialect speaks. You can only apply these kind of standards within dialects not across them. So, the accusation of colonial thinking may be on the mark here.
By the way, Russian for Russian is Russki, so I’m not being derogatory.
Never really thought it was. Makes me think though. The Irish for "the English" is "Sasanaigh" and despite just being a literal translation usually signals a derogatory if used in an English sentence.
Yep, that's in use in Scotland too so I suppose it's Gaelic. As in Ireland it’s always derogatory in English, and often it’s used to refer to any lowlander, i.e., the Scots who are not part of the Gaelic culture of the Highlands and the West.
They may be intercepting YouTube vids through some kind of censorship funnel. Just a guess, but makes sense to me.
I read @Jamal's apology to Russians for saying Russki as a clarification to the Russians listening in to his posts, as he's already noticed happening by the upload lags.
There's no correct use of any language minus context.
Well, @Noble Dust scolded me for exactly that reason.
In any case, I regret what I said, and bla bla bla... But please leave me alone, I promise that I will not take part in the shoutbox again. But I think it is time to end this discussion and these attacks.
Would it even things up if I attacked @Noble Dust for using the verb "keep" without an adverbial or preposition as a synonym for "maintain" in his corrections of your English or @Jamal for not noticing in his correction of those corrections or myself for correcting corrections of corrections?
Having recently worked on speeding up some websites I know that embedded YouTube videos significantly increase load time because of all the added JavaScript. There are some handy workarounds though.
Maybe check someone else's phone or find some wifi at Starbucks or something and see if that changes anything.
You can check on my wifi. It'll come up as BigDogFred and the password is FredHead. If the reception is spotty, hold your phone out the window southwestward and that should make it pop up.
But if I moved to America I would think about following baseball in preference to the other sports. It has a certain aura about it that I like, some kind of down-to-earth coolness.
As I've said before, it's the most philosophical of American sports. I love it as long as I don't have to watch it.
That is why I try to use proper English on this site and try to learn something new every day. I am aware that my English is not perfect, but I rather use the words and think as an Anglo-Saxon, than use your language as "I want to" because it would be easier for me...
Your English has improved a lot since you started here. You also seem to be more comfortable expressing yourself in it.
Nope. Completely acceptable in American English to forgo the "This".
All this is interesting (en dash) but clarity is what's most important. As long as that's accomplished, I like language that's as playful as possible. "Works for me" means something slightly, and slightly importantly, different from "That works for me."
Whole grains are more alike than they are different and are more nutritious than refined grains, whether it is wheat, spelt, rye, oat, barley, rice, or corn.
So, why do we use refined grains? We can make bread using only whole grain, water, salt, and yeast. What we then get is a very heavy, dense, loaf. Adding milled flour to bread which has a higher proportion of gluten than whole wheat produces a loaf that is lighter and holds together when sliced. Is that important? Culturally, it matters.
Whether you eat a cookie made out of spelt or oats would matter more IF your diet consisted mostly of whole grains. Humans generally eat a wide variety of foods, including fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes (including soy milk), dairy, fish, and meat (if you are not a vegan). From that assortment of foods, the necessary nutrition is derived.
So, that's basic knowledge. You know that already. But there are people sitting around the dining table yammering on about eating only organic food, whole food, fresh food (nothing canned or frozen), vegan food, Paleolithic food, and so on. Spelt only seems superior to some because it's less common.
Personally, I feel like I should avoid using "shit" and "fuck" just because they are so heavily over-used. If we need to discuss digestive waste, "feces" is available.
Should one ever use "shit" and "fuck"? "Fuck!!!!" is appropriate if one has just flushed one's wallet down the the toilet. It's not appropriate if one can't find his favorite pencil. "Shit" is appropriate when describing Donald Trump , or alternately "diarrhea", "sewage", "effluent", or the more literary "yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye"***. Some people think they are so great that the expression "hot shit" is appropriate.
I read Jamal's apology to Russians for saying Russki as a clarification to the Russians listening in to his posts, as he's already noticed happening by the upload lags.
They probably built a balloon just for him. I suggest your next little story be about Jamal and his balloon. I'm sure you can work some disgusting sexual angle in there :up:
The other day I saw a liberated helium party balloon floating over Leninsky Prospekt. I joked that it was a spy ballon, but the joke fell flat, as the balloon itself probably did a few hours later somewhere in the environs of the Bitsevsky forest.
I've been reading Tara Zahra's Against the World: Anti-Globalism and Mass Politics Between the World Wars 2023. It shows that history doesn't repeat itself; more like history just takes a long time to unfold.
When I was younger (college student into my 60s) I didn't pay too much attention to footnotes. Now I am finding then very helpful. Particularly because Amazon and Google enable one to obtain the referenced books if one wants them, and to find out more about books and authors long out of print. The footnotes also show that there is a lot of publishing going on about globalization and de-globalization in the interwar period in central and Eastern Europe.
After both WWI and WWII there was a lot of population movement.
One of the books about Eastern Europe I found through footnotes that is particularly interesting is In the Midst of Civilized Europe: The Pogroms of 1918–1921 and the Onset of the Holocaust by Paul Veidlinger (published 2021).
Paul Veidlinger:130,000 Jews were killed--shot, burned alive, beaten to death, in several attacks on the Jewish population. Ukrainian peasant, Polish townsfolk, and Russian soldiers robbed their Jewish neighbors with impunity..... Armed militants..... tore out the Jewish men's beards, ripped apart Torah scrolls, raped Jewish girls and women, and in many cases tortured Jewish townsfolk before gathering them in market squares, marching them to the outskirts of town, and shooting them. The largest of the anti-Jewish massacres left over a thousand people dead
This was between 1919 and 1921!
"UKRAINIAN JEWS AIM TO STOP POGTOMS
Mass Meeting Hears That 6,000,000 Are In Peril" - New York Times headline, September 8, 1919
But please leave me alone, I promise that I will not take part in the shoutbox again.
As @Jamal mentioned, you work here now; you're certainly not fired, and we can't have you quit. The workload for the rest of us would be too great; I can't eat tomato toast every morning, as much as I love it.
But please leave me alone, I promise that I will not take part in the shoutbox again. But I think it is time to end this discussion and these attacks.
The shoutbox will be impoverished without your regular participation. If people are attacking you, tell them to go fuck themselves. (figuring out how to do that will keep them busy for a while.)
A lot of folks here had good impact on my life and I sometimes recall posts from long ago and still ruminate on them.
Here’s a few from my layman recollection
Banno- Words don’t have meaning. People do. Similar to the way a hammer is a tool to do the hammering. A person does the hammering.
180 Proof- Life involves a kind of giving and taking; a kind of taking on debt and paying it off. To pay it off (give) is to pay homage to those that came before.
Wayfarer- A poem called “Whatever it is” I believe you attributed it to Fernando Pessoa but I have never have been able to find it online (I did save the piece when you posted it).
I’ll be lurking around!
Edit: I should state these are what I pulled from the conversations and not necessarily reflective of what the referenced individuals wrote.
Having recently worked on speeding up some websites I know that embedded YouTube videos significantly increase load time because of all the added JavaScript. There are some handy workarounds though.
Thanks. Yes, I used to fiddle obsessively with that stuff myself, but here on TPF it seems it’s only me who has the problem, likely because I’m in a place where the authorities have reportedly been deliberately making YouTube run slower so that people switch to Rutube—they’d like to block YouTube completely but fear the public backlash.
On top of that, I can’t change the code anyway because it’s a hosted service.
Breakfast: Lebanese leftovers warmed in the oven. Cheese-stuffed flatbread, halloumi with plum sauce, deep-fried balls of spicy minced lamb, hummus, mini lamb pies, yoghurt, and more.
People complain about too much religion here on the forum, but there are four religion-related threads on the first page, all started by atheists or religion skeptics. [unnecessarily provocative statement] I don't really mind, it gives me lots of bad arguments to respond to.[/unnecessarily provocative statement] Maybe the moderators should do to atheism what they did to antinatalism (en dash) make a general atheism thread to dump all of them in.
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How do you get the em dash on your computer. I only have one key for hyphen/dash. On the other hand, if you tell me, I might actually have to figure out how to use them. Also, I wouldn't be able to use "(en dash)" anymore.
I’m currently using an iPad, on which a double hyphen will be turned into an em dash automatically. Or I can press and hold the hyphen key to choose between en and em dashes.
I’ve been using mainly Linux computers and Android phones for years, but the respect for traditional typography on this iPad I like (“curly quotes” by default too).
You can get em and en dashes on a desktop computer using certain key combinations. You may Google to find out what might work for you. As I said before, it doesn’t work for me on Linux, where I just use the standard stand-in of a double hyphen.
You can get em and en dashes on a desktop computer using certain key combinations. You may Google to find out what might work for you. As I said before, it doesn’t work for me on Linux, where I just use the standard stand-in of a double hyphen.
So, I can put in extra effort both to figure out how to use the different kinds of dashes and how to make them work on my computer, or I can say "screw it" and keep on doing it the way I do it now. Let me think about it...
They probably built a balloon just for him. I suggest your next little story be about Jamal and his balloon. I'm sure you can work some disgusting sexual angle in there :up:
I will tell you the story you ask for. Gather around...
It was a most lovely day for going up in our balloon. We arrived in the park to see the sky dotted with colorful balloons and families eating their picnics. Our balloon was being set up, the flame being tested.
A lady, like manna, fell from the sky. "Mother, is the bus here?" she cried out as her head bounced along the ground, her ponytail bobbing about like a well trained prostitute. I stamped at her mouth gibberish with my shoe.
We packed almonds, grapes, and cotton candy and boarded our balloon, hoisting the lady aboard. "Do you have my bookbag?" she inquired.
We ascended, unloading her onto the antlike figures below. . They scattered about as her shadow approached, with a cloud of dust arising as she nailed our target.
I chomped an almond while another couple gathered her up for another drop.
Packed lunch today is a classic dagwood: Asiago, cracked pepper turkey, lettuce, tomato, red onion, banana peppers, salt/pepper/oregano on whole wheat. No rye this week.
@javi2541997 I wanna apologize as I think I went overboard in pointing out what I viewed as prejudice. Hope to hear about the next iteration of your tomato toast soon.
Reply to BC
Can you explain who that is Trump is slapping? And the statue of liberty? And can you explain why they never set a real fire in that thing she's holding? And is the statue of liberty trans? She looks like a guy. Thanks ahead of time.
Reply to frank Trump is slapping DeSantis, governor of Florida, and currently the main threat to Trump's return (like a dog returns to its vomit).
I don't know who StatOLib is slapping. Fire in the torch? StatOLib has been holding that thing up since 1886; can you imagine the gas bill for 137 years of eternal flame? New York can't afford to fix its subways, let alone paying for symbolic fires. StatOLib is not trans. (she, her) is a French peasant; they all look like that. Because they've been walking behind the horses plowing the fields, shoveling shit out of the barn, force feeding the geese, wallowing in vats of grapes in the Champaign district.
Reply to Jamal A Lebanese deli in Minneapolis serves it raw or cooked. The raw version's consistency, mouth feel, and flavor just doesn't work for me. The baked version, on the other hand, is terrific. They also make superior tabouli.
:gasp: They're all over the place in NY, and definitely exist in other areas of the US. @BC that must be a pretty authentic Lebanese spot. I haven't seen the raw version on menus here.
StatOLib is not trans. (she, her) is a French peasant; they all look like that. Because they've been walking behind the horses plowing the fields, shoveling shit out of the barn, force feeding the geese, wallowing in vats of grapes in the Champaign district.
Reply to Hanover Yes! The glove of protection! I thought of that when i saw your finger photo. I’ve used one for several years and here I am typing away with 8 healthy fingers!
About the glove... it’s great but mine absorbs everything it touches- tomato juice, avocados, etc. You could wash it after it gets stained then hope it’s dry for next use. Or (one thing I’ve been meaning to try) put a latex glove over the protector glove so food particles wash off quickly.
They're all over the place in NY, and definitely exist in other areas of the US. BC that must be a pretty authentic Lebanese spot. I haven't seen the raw version on menus here.
Turns out the raw version was available and I missed it. Next time.
Reply to Hanover Haha! :lol: (even though you were being at least partially serious).
Hope your fingers feels better. Keep the big bandage to put on your middle finger, when driving to use in communication with other drivers. :snicker:
Reply to Hanover Could you give us more clinical information on your finger? Like, did you slice the fleshy end off, and maybe some of the nail? Make a long cut in the side of the finger? Sever the whole finger? How many stitches? On a scale of 1 to 10--with 10 being really really bad--how much did it hurt? How much did you bleed? ("If I slice my finger off, do I not bleed?" W.S.)
A couple of years ago I bought a very sharp potato peeler. On its first use, I was peeling a small potato and my thumb got in the way; it sliced off about 1/3 of my thumb nail - vertically. The doctor at urgent care had to cut the nail off.
I've since been more aware of the potato peeler's hostility to humans and their famously opposing thumbs.
Reply to Hanover 7 hours since your last post. When did the home health care nurse handcuff your hand to the bed rail to prevent you from moving your severed digit?
I cut the tip, which included some nail and skin. I instinctively applied pressure with the same hand and beat the fuck out of the wall, being sure to hit the tile back splash to avoid needing to take a trip to Home Depot. Having to patch holes after a mishap is something I have grown tired of repeating.
It's like when I threw my weed wacker in the creek. I felt so helpless as it spun through the air.
But I digress.
The bleeding was limited because of the pressure I applied. When they removed the bandage at the ER to look at it, it hurt like a mother fucker. In fact, that's I how I reported the pain. Then it started bleeding. Then I told them to recline the chair because I was going to pass out. Then the heart monitor starting chirping. Then I got an IV. Then I was OK.
They told me to change the bandage 3 times a day, but I'm not touching it. That's for the doctor to do tomorrow. I don't do DIY medical care.
Reply to Hanover I cut the tip off my left middle finger while cutting up tickets on an extra large paper cutter. The campus doctor was in, so he wrapped it up. It bled and it hurt, of course. The biggest downside was that my efforts to learn guitar came to a screeching halt. By the time the string-pressing finger healed, I had moved on to the kazoo.
I don’t want to brag, I’m not saying I’m better than @Hanover, (no matter how justified you might think that would be), I’m not unsympathetic, and I hope his finger regenerates successfully. But…
I’ve been chopping with big sharp knives for decades and I haven’t had any serious cuts. Was the knife, though sharp enough to slice fingers, not quite sharp enough to ensure an effortless action, and thereby dangerous? Did Hanover forget to curl his fingers to protect the tips? Was he distracted by a rowdy goat? What the hell happened?
I’m touching wood right now.
“Touching wood” is British for “knocking on wood,” the common apotropaic magic spell which ensures protection from harm.
Reply to Jamal I was chopping rosemary, which had hard stems, and I wanted it very fine. The knives were new and very sharp. I've been pushing it probably with my cooking routine and might need to reevaluate my skill level, or, option 2, dress myself in medieval armor and do as I will. Had I been properly outfitted, I could have avoided the injury and taken out the wall with a single lunge.
Next time I will not be bested. May God be my witness. I shall not again fail!
Best meat pie ever though. The crust was baked buttery goodness, the filling a thick stew.
Reply to Hanover Pie looks great. Another of my prejudices about America has been shattered, namely that a pie for an American is necessarily filled with fruity sweetness.
The filling looks like curry. Maybe the addition of tomato paste produced the orange colour.
I made the crust from scratch. It was flour and butter with just a small amount of salt and baking powder and only 2 tablespoons of water. It was much more like a pastry than bread. If I added sugar to it, I'd have had a meat stew filled cookie.
Reply to JamalReply to Hanover I like pasties (pron. with diphthongish "a" as in 'past' and not the long 'a' of 'waste' which is what strippers cover their nipples with).
In addition to a pie crust made of flour, lard or vegetable shortening, salt, and water, fill with cubed steak, rutabaga, carrot, potato, and onion, salt, pepper. Add a dusting of flour to the mix. fill 1/2 circle of dough with the filling, fold over and seal. Repeat. Bake. A pastie can serve 1 or 2.
Do avoid adding tomato paste, fresh tomatoes, parsley, sage, rosemary, thyme, curry, and anything else contra Cornish.
Reply to Noble Dust Blood in food tends to give it a black or dark maroon colour, so I usually recommend tomato paste when someone asks, “how can I make my food more orangey?”
Learn from the tenured shoutbox folk; when you see a gross picture posted by @Hanover you immediately skim and learn how to jump from post to post, all the while avoiding the gross shit, while taking in just enough to add a knowingly dumb comment at just the right time. There's a lot of shit to know in the shoutbox.
To be clear, that was all a joke. That's not to say I didn't skip all of the posts about @Hanover's finger because I had a finger injury myself a few months ago and I'm a baby.
Fingers are the most durable and the most hardworking of all our body parts, I think. (Okay, the heart is the king) They can regenerate when cut up to a certain point. How impressive is that?
Do you have holes in your walls? I've always been more prone to breaking things, like throwing a dish on the ground to express my explosive rage. Like Hanover, I eventually discovered that I'm just going to have to clean it up, so don't throw things that explode.
Reply to Jamal
:up: Yep, I miss the happy sing-alongs, in-between beers and Killie Pies, and debating the main philosophical issues of the day. I giggle, when I think about 'Boom Boom McCafferty,' bottom far right, just arguing constantly about how the Hanoverians destroy everything. I am not sure he was ever quite right in the head:
I'e deided o wie wihou usin my le poine ine eause i's bandae.
Translation: "I've decided to write without using my left pointer finger because it's bandaged." The missing letters were the missing digit's responsibility. Please excuse him, he's on disability.
Reply to Hanover OMG... Typing without using that finger (without “hunting and pecking” lol) turns an English sentence into Gaelic. You’ve discovered something! :wink:
The Icelandic financial crisis was a major economic and political event in Iceland that involved the default of all three of the country's major privately owned commercial banks in late 2008, following their difficulties in refinancing their short-term debt and a run on deposits in the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. Relative to the size of its economy, Iceland's systemic banking collapse was the largest experienced by any country in economic history. The crisis led to a severe economic slump in 2008–2010 and significant political unrest.
@Jamal—I'm trying to use an em dash in every post I write, whether or not it's appropriate. By the way, for anyone that's interested, by which I mean Jamal and me, you can generate and em dash on a PC by pushing the [Windows] button and period at the same time. When the drop down box shows up, push the symbols tab (?), and then highlight the em dash and push enter.
When the drop down box shows up, push the symbols tab (?), and then highlight the em dash and push enter.
:up:
I just noticed that the system uses them for quotes. It puts one in before the user name, as you can see in this post. This is not useful or interesting information.
Another non-existent who's followers you pander to!
I moved this over to the Shoutbox because I didn't want to clutter up the other thread. When I wrote "Mull" I meant the island, where my brother-in-law used to live. I don't know what or whom you were referring to.
I just noticed that the system uses them for quotes. It puts one in before the user name, as you can see in this post. This is not useful or interesting information.
—Agreed— There's a reasonably good chance I'll get tired of this punctuation mark soon and go back to my old habits. I certainly won't give up my ellipsis... or will I?
Reply to T Clark
Yeah, I know you were talking about the Isle of Mull. An island NOT known for it's tasty pies!
I offer to share a Kille pie or a Forfar Bridie with you and your response was Mull?????
People who come to the Isle of Mull also don’t forget the delicious and lovely cuisine they offer. The place is famous for fresh local seafood, island malts, fine wines, and local cheese. What makes the food here so refreshing is because of its farming under very natural circumstances that don’t involve the use of chemicals and pesticides, so you’ll enjoy the real taste of nature in those meals. Isle Mull has many quality restaurants offering palatable dishes, including Bellachroy Inn, with its incredible menu and genuine hospitality. There is also Ninth Wave Restaurant serving fresh-caught seafood, Craignure Inn with their highland beef and Hebridean lamb, and Macgregor’s Roadhouse Cafe & Restaurant.
Speaking of Scotland, did you ever see "Local Hero," a movie with Burt Lancaster taking place in a seaside village in west Scotland? Bill Forsyth makes movies I enjoy.
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The correct name is Aberdeen angus ya tumshie! :joke:
Nabdie ken's whare ra meat in a killie cumes fae! Brownings Bakery statement: ...a secret blend of gravy seasonings along with the finest cuts of meat
Reply to T Clark
Yeah , 'local hero' is still liked by many in Scotland, but not me.
I do like some of his films, such as 'that sinking feeling,' and 'comfort and joy.'
But not 'local hero,' or 'Gregory's girl.'
How pissed off would the aberdeenians be? Riot pissed off ? :lol:
I don't think that would be the case at all, I just think you might find your person being added to the more exotic tastes, available in some of the 'scotch pie' flavours(I think they are secretly called 'sweeny todds') produced in Glesga.
BTW it's Aberdonians!
It's the Shoutbox, where we are free to be annoying
That's fine, as long as you don't try to prevent us from being annoying in other threads. That—as they say—is in my wheelhouse—or is it my portfolio? My area of expertise. My claim to fame. My specialty. My je ne sais quoi. My sine qua non. My nom de plume. My reason for living. My purpose in life. My Kilmarnock meat pie. My cul-de-sac. My deus ex machina. My Zeitgeist.
That—as they say—is in my wheelhouse—or is it my portfolio? My area of expertise. My claim to fame. My specialty. My je ne sais quoi. My sine qua non. My nom de plume. My reason for living. My purpose in life. My Kilmarnock meat pie. My cul-de-sac. My deus ex machina. My Zeitgeist.
Reply to frank There is a dent in the kitchen floor where I intended to smash a mug. The mug didn't break. I was going to throw it through the window but checked that impulse at the last moment. Fortunate. I don't remember what the rage was about.
There is a dent in the kitchen floor where I intended to smash a mug. The mug didn't break. I was going to throw it through the window but checked that impulse at the last moment. Fortunate. I don't remember what the rage was about.
Good impulse control! Broken windows are a pain to fix.
There is a dent in the kitchen floor where I intended to smash a mug. The mug didn't break. I was going to throw it through the window but checked that impulse at the last moment. Fortunate. I don't remember what the rage was about.
Living up to your full name BC.
Full of passionate intensity, I have been tempted to smash windows, but I’ve never gone through with it. My brother once pushed me through a window, thereby breaking it, but that was just mischievousness. Luckily it was the ground floor (which I believe you call the first floor).
In my anger career I have damaged a few doors and broken a few priceless Ming vases (from IKEA) but usually I break my own cherished stuff, thus revealing the strength of my self-destructive death drive when Eros has been frustrated.
The hand doctor yanked the dried up bandage off my finger and explained it would have hurt just as much if we spent an hour doing it.
Anyway, you'll be relieved to know I'm going to be fine. It should fully heal, and I'll be back on the mound with my sinking curving dancing spitball in no time.
The hand doctor explained that method of chopping as well. The "here's what I would have done" falls into that same never well received advice catagory as "I told you so."
Every time i see Chump lately, I think “give this guy some big glasses, and he’s Brick Top from the movie Snatch”. Maybe Brick’s a little jollier. He’d probably take that as a compliment lol.
The tip of the human finger can regenerate if the amputation is distal to the nail bed, usually in young children. Studies in regeneration of rodent digits have shown that regeneration occurs if the amputation is distal to the mid-third phalanx for certain ages. The digit contains many different components, such as muscle, tendon, bone, skin, nerves and blood vessels, which must all be regrown in the proper location in order to restore functionality. The mechanism behind the complex healing/regeneration processes is still under investigation; however, improvements in injured finger regeneration have been gradually developing in animal models over the past few years. This review discusses a few strategies and methods to possibly enhance digit regeneration beyond current natural limits, focusing on aspects including scarless wound healing, cell-based treatments, tissue engineering and electrical stimulation.
Reply to L'éléphant Quite interesting. I've seen some references to electrical stimulation in wound healing. The fleshy tip of my finger regenerated. This didn't involve bone, just soft tissue. It took a while.
Regeneration of body parts (like a finger or an organ) might be possible, IF we could find the biological signal machinery that could initiate regeneration. So, maybe one could regrow missing teeth, kidney, lung...
For snotty Mac users —option—shift—dash, for the em—
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It's almost what you might have expected...
I'm shocked to find that someone other than @Jamal and I have the slightest interest in this. It's nice to know we're not just isolated pitiful pedants making distinctions where none is needed. Or at least we're not the only ones.
Sometimes I use «guillemets», otherwise known as chevrons. When there’s a quote within a quote, they make it easier to read. They’re standardly used as quotation marks in many languages, but hardly every used in English.
I like the section symbol, so I can refer to, e.g., §43 of Wittgenstein’s PI.
It’s not unusual but I still love the ampersand & in serif fonts it can be particularly beautiful.
What the hell?
That there is called an interrobang, combining the question mark and exclamation mark. I can see the need for it but it’ll take some getting used to.
This one I’m not sure about?
That’s a percontation point, for irony or rhetorical questions, so I misused it.
This should appeal to you. I just noticed that the iPad has an individual key for … the ellipsis character. Typing three periods can be considered bad typography.
This should appeal to you. I just noticed that the iPad has an individual key for … the ellipsis character. Typing three periods can be considered bad typography.
Do you REALLY know how to use the ellipsis?
I'll stick with three periods. My interest in punctuation is embarrassing enough without sinking into the morass of typography. I know what san serif means. That's enough.
I liked the webpage you linked. I was gratified to find I've been using the ellipsis correctly.
It's more what I intend to do than what I actually do. My thumb tends to get left behind as my fingers retreat, with results not unlike your recent adventure.
That there is called an interrobang, combining the question mark and exclamation mark. I can see the need for it but it’ll take some getting used to.
Not at all surprising, given its irrelevance, but my brother and I had a similar discussion about obscure punctuation recently, which has resulted in interrobangs following every text, quickly replacing the period as the most common punctuation mark.
Quite interesting. I've seen some references to electrical stimulation in wound healing. The fleshy tip of my finger regenerated. This didn't involve bone, just soft tissue. It took a while.
I've been sticking my finger into the lamp socket daily to repair my finger. The results have been mixed.
How did you get an interrobang on your phone? You got some shortcut that converts ?! into ??
My brother figured that out, and it's in his every text, but I haven't asked how he figured that out. That sort of question would be too substantive for our conversations.
Reply to Hanover I know what you mean. I have a brother who I often chat with on Whatsapp. After the conversation is over and my wife asks "how are the kids?" or "how is his work going?" I have to tell her I have no idea, because we just talked about cartoons from the 1980s and whether we'd rather fight a bear or a mountain lion.
My paralegal was on the floor, putting some things in boxes, and I asked her why a grown ass woman was crawling around on the floor. She said, "Your wife is one lucky woman." That was a good come back.
Thought I'd share that little slice of the Hanover day.
I don't get it. And I'm not just saying that because I want the entertainment of seeing you explain it.
Alright, I'll take your word you're in good faith here, so here goes, me making a joke funnier by explaining it.
She's doing her job, likely something she'd prefer not to do, having to get on the floor to put things away. Instead of thanking her or helping her, I chastise her like she's a child choosing to play on the floor. She then makes a sarcastic remark that I'm a wonderful person, and how lucky my wife is in being married to me and getting to receive such treatment daily.
It was sort of a disrepectful, yet playful sarcasm.
Now that you understand it, I will pause for you to regain your composure.
And, it's not even close, you'd never overcome the weight disparity of a bear. If you could get on top of a mountain lion and bear down all your weight on it with a headlock, you might choke it out, but I'd say you'd only be able to win that wrestling match 1 out of 7 or 8 times at best.
To be honest I thought it must have been a blow job joke.
Yeah, right, that's exactly what I do. I joke with my employees about orally pleasuring me. And then they just laugh it off and think, that Hanover is a great guy, just has a weakness for the BJ and can't stop talking about it when he sees my sweet little self down on my knees.
You definitely need to re-read the HR manual. It has a whole section on such things. I named it the sextion section. Just now. That's when I named it that. I think an HR manual with sexually related puns is the way to go.
Stories and photo's about the achievements of disabled folks, such as the person with cerebral palsy below, convince me that antinatalists are to be polite, utterly wrong:
I watched a documentary last night about a man whose neck cannot support his head, and his head lies fully on his upper back. I tried to find a picture online, but I couldn't. He has other problems as well but imagine, your head flopped completely over on to your back and you saw everything upside down and you could hardly walk either, due to limb deformities as well. I was so humbled by this man's 'zest' for life and how he went about living it, despite such incredible difficulty.
He was offered a medical process/attempt to try to correct his head position, but it was very risky and the chance of success and him surviving the procedure was not high enough for him to want to risk it.
He was soooooooo positive about his existence that he just, in my opinion, exemplified how to live.
What a legacy this man will leave. Antinatalism is .................... I can remain polite, and leave it to your imagination as to what I would put in the bank space, If I were to type the words I truly think about antinatalism and antinatalists. @DA671
In my defence, I've been working from home for many years now. When I last worked in an office, bawdy chat was rampant.
This gives me a chance to over-analyze by metaphor, so thank you for that.
If a bear attacks another bear, it's a fair fight as there is no weight disparity, much like if an employee jokes with another employee, but not when an employer jokes with an employee. That would be an unfair fight. When I was a rank and file employee, it was easier to joke around because they could tell me to fuck off, but now they have to laugh, so I have to be aware of that.
That's why I thought it was funny that my paralegal had no reservations joking with me because she could have just laughed and then rolled her eyes when I looked away.
Anyway, I've overthought this enough maybe. Just maybe.
Sounds like you run your shop like a little Stalin, forcing your underlings to laugh at your jokes.
Sort of. I mean they are required to laugh, but they laugh anyway because I happen to be crazy funny. But you are right, if I weren't funny, they'd have to laugh anyway or they get sent to a gulag. Literally. They are airdropped in Siberia. I have no idea what happens to them after that. It makes their families sad, but I don't give a shit.
I’m crestfallen. I thought we’d made a connection. Turns out you’re like all the others, reeling me in and then tossing me aside.
I was rethinking my response. Typeface does matter to me, but only to the extent that it is easy to read and interpret. I tend to pick pretty standard types—Ariel, Calibri, Times Roman. I hate curly-ques and gothic touches. What is the forum typeface? Anyway, I'd be interested to hear why it makes any difference beyond the one I identify.
I was rethinking my response. Typeface does matter to me, but only to the extent that it is easy to read and interpret. I tend to pick pretty standard types—Ariel, Calibri, Times Roman. I hate curly-ques and gothic touches. What is the forum typeface? Anyway, I'd be interested to hear why it makes any difference beyond the one I identify.
I think I was just saying that typography is interesting, not that you should care about which typeface to use.
The choice of typeface is significant. It's mainly about context. Serif fonts are usually better for reading blocks of text, for example, and that's why most books use them.
The font family for most of the text on this site is:
"Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, arial, sans-serif
Your browser will render the text in the first font available in that list. In your case that'll probably be Arial, because you're on Windows. Apple users will get Helvetica Neue.
I could beat @Jamal's brother, a mountain lion, a bear, Uncle Peter, while eating a meatball, with my jacked up finger.
I'll admit I'll probably have a sore back in the morning from where Jamal's brother body slammed me into the rocks like he does, but I'd ultimately prevail.
Could be wrong, but that's how I see it going down. Not bad for a 56 year old, even with the sore back.
If you don’t hear from me in the near future, it’s because I’m heading to the west coast, trying to get the best tan on the way. Driving with the top down will be cold, but it’s for a good cause.
A Russian fighter jet has collided with a US drone over the Black Sea, forcing the US to bring down its unmanned aircraft, the American military says.
It says the drone was on a routine mission in international airspace when two Russian jets tried to intercept it.
The "unsafe and unprofessional act by the Russians" nearly caused one of the fighter jets and the drone to crash, the US European command added.
US and allied forces will continue to operate in the area, it said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64957792
Tough luck Russia …although them Russian jets are cheaper than the American drone. Don’t say if pilot ejected…
I know what you mean. I have a brother who I often chat with on Whatsapp. After the conversation is over and my wife asks "how are the kids?" or "how is his work going?" I have to tell her I have no idea, because we just talked about cartoons from the 1980s and whether we'd rather fight a bear or a mountain lion.
I'm glad to hear these brotherly conversations don't fade with age.
I look forward to increasingly meaningless chats with my own brother.
I'll share with you the last text I just got from my brother:
"Sometimes when I chew food, part of it gets ready to swallow so I do but the other part isn't ready but I have more room for more food so I put more in and finish chewing that already chewed food until I can swallow it and then the new food moves down for the next food. That sounds right? Thoughts?"
My response:
"I got nothing."
His response:
"I see where [my son] gets it."
What did people do before The Shoutbox and text? The days must've been really long.
But for the grammatical errors I would have said that text was from you and not your brother. Is your brother basically you but with weaker literary skills?
But for the grammatical errors I would have said that text was from you and not your brother. Is your brother basically you but with weaker literary skills?
Yes, defenestration is one of the best ways to try to harm someone. It's fun to say out loud. A technical sounding word for a simple process. The Russians seem to be using it a lot lately.
My brother and I were super close until he went to college. But then later in college we started a band together and got close again. As woo-woo as it sounds, there was definitely a unique synergy between us when playing together. A sort of positive tension.
Fratri-defenestration is a leading cause of brotherly conflict
Is it a cause, or is it the result? You do the math.
My brother and I sometimes use that phrase, "you do the math," at times when it doesn't fit. Not only is its inaptness amusing, but its foreignness makes it even more so.
[quote=The Minimalists;https://www.theminimalists.com/minimalism/]Minimalism is a tool that can assist you in finding freedom. Freedom from fear. Freedom from worry. Freedom from overwhelm. Freedom from guilt. Freedom from depression. Freedom from the trappings of the consumer culture we’ve built our lives around. Real freedom.[/quote]
I'd never seen "overwhelm" used as a noun before. I quite like it. Your thoughts please.
Minimalism is a tool that can assist you in finding freedom. Freedom from fear. Freedom from worry. Freedom from overwhelm. Freedom from guilt. Freedom from depression. Freedom from the trappings of the consumer culture we’ve built our lives around. Real freedom.
— The Minimalists
I'd never seen "overwhelm" used as a noun before. I quite like it. Your thoughts please.
I said goodbye to overwhelm some years ago myself. Ever since I got rid of most of my shit and never replaced it.
I said goodbye to overwhelm some years ago myself. Ever since I got rid of most of my shit and never replaced it.
And now you go around bragging about it, about how you're so much better than everyone else while measuring your worth just like others do by the number of things you have, imagining that we look at you with admiration when in fact we look at you with indifference and contempt.
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I would like to complain about the recent 'sibling imbalance,' that has appeared in the shoutbox.
It's not nice for those of us who have never had a biological brother. Sisters are also very good folks to chat to. I have often wondered about why I sometimes refer to another man as 'brother?' I have always associated this with my political and humanist viewpoints, but I wonder if deep down, I am really pleading for someone to BE my substitute brother, as I have never experienced having one. :cry:
You 'brother posers,' are just 'flauntists' (is that a real word? If not, it should be!)
As 'the big cheese' on this website (as TC often reminds me) I think you should call for more balance, and insist that members promote the value of having sisters, as well as brothers. AND what about the lonely onlys?????? (is onlys a word? should it be onlies? You puncy champs (champions of punctuation) must know more than me about pure right england words.
I can't cut 'punctuation' to a cooler sounding colloquialism such as 'punky,' as that's already been used for a 70's pop music genre, but is 'puncy,' just [s]anti-english,[/s] [s]anti-english rules[/s], contrary to the rules of the English language. Sheesh! maybe the antilife mob have a point after all!
ANYWAY, do something about that whole imbalanced 'brother lovin' stuff or do we all have to sing/listen to:
Reply to Jamal Actually our 8 year-old at the time allowed a heater to burn some paper in her room and it caught fire and burned down our place. We just managed to get out alive. We never got around to replacing our stuff because we were crippled with depression. We call it minimalism and pretend it was a choice we made in order to cover the black hole inside us. But we’re still better than everyone else.
I saw a show on the Amish a while back and they had a word (which I can't locate now) that describes pride in one's humility, which was also an unacceptable type of pride. It might be shown by someone wearing more simple clothing than required, limiting one's use of modern conveniences than required, and so on. Competing for the lowest spot is still competition and attempt to hold yourself in esteem.
My point is that you were fully justified in ripping him a new one for bragging about how little he had.
On the other hand, I'd be the most humble of the Amish by building a castle and filling it with women of the most beautiful bonnets. They'd hate me for my opulence, which would make me the lowest of the lows, humbled by the criticism, and therefore perfect. You do the math.
Thoughts?
That's the universal way to say whatever you want and then act like it's a question.
I'm wondering what you call it when you're proud of not being proud of your humility. Is it just the same thing again only worse, or does this get its own name in Amishland too?
wondering what you call it when you're proud of not being proud of your humility. Is it just the same thing again only worse, or does this get its own name in Amishland too?
What you're describing would result in your being shunned and banned and completely humiliated, which would result in your being annointed king.
Brunch: Egg fried rice: in order of introduction to the pan ... sesame oil, vegetable oil, garlic, rice, egg, oyster sauce, yellow lantern chili sauce, spring onions
Lundinner: Roast chicken thigh and carrots with lentils
Interesting that you added the sesame oil first, was this to bring out the aromatics? In my mind it’s a low smoke point oil, but I could be wrong.
Everything else sounds great. One recommendation for your chicken dinner is to finish it with some yogurt. I had that exact thing at a jazz bar awhile back, and it was delicious. Black lentils too, which are the king of lentils.
Everything else sounds great. One recommendation for your chicken dinner is to finish it with some yogurt. I had that exact thing at a jazz bar awhile back, and it was delicious. Black lentils too, which are the king of lentils.
Mine were puy lentils. Sauce was adjika out of a bottle. I do like yoghurt though, with many things.
I believe he Amish call it "virtue signaling." Google says that's "Tugendsignalisierung" in Pennsylvania Dutch.
I think we all know how it translates into Pennsylvania Dutch now that you've provided the English. That was sort of condescending for you put that in there btw.
Boycotting. Ha, ha, ha. That was a play on the different meanings of "patronizing."
But seriously, why would I possibly need to know an antonym for, which is what literate people call "the opposite of," "patronizing." I'm sure you'll be gratified to note the spelling correction. No need to thank me.
I'd like to think it was my doing because I've seen this tack appear elsewhere, but it's where you say whatever you want to without any direction just because it's what you want to say, and you end it with the question: thoughts?
I've never heard of this but it sounds great. Have you had muhamara? I'm wondering there's some cross over.
Breakfast - boring old skyr yogurt and cofee
Lunch - Home made egg salad sandwich. One of the great lunches of the world.
Dinner - heading to a spot in Chinatown with a co worker. Never been, but it's supposed to be cheap, simple and delicious. Followed by lots of wine at the bar our friend works at.
Reply to Noble Dust Lucky for them that they have a rare genetic mutation that is thought to reduce the risk of heart disease by 35%, as I just discovered.
Reply to Jamal Yet they have a significant amount of genetic abnormalities due to the fact that they descend from approximately only 500 original founders.
In an effort to diversify the gene pool, I will be visiting upon the Amish community with a vengence. The next generation of Amish will be overflowing with sarcastic doctors and lawyers.
In an effort to diversify the gene pool, I will be visiting upon the Amish community with a vengence. The next generation of Amish will be overflowing with sarcastic doctors and lawyers.
Since Jewish ancestry is passed through the mother, I guess your children would not be the first Amish Jews. If a Jewish woman and an Amish man had children, would they be Hasidic?
My rare genetic mutation is competing penises, each vying for king of the trouser. It's a bitter rivalry, despite having common interests, they choose instead to fight. The right penis sees things his way and the left his, and never the twain shall they meet.
Efforts at reconciliation have failed, and so this battle rages on. It's all tribal genetics after all.
Could part of this incommensurability between members be that only one of your John Thomases is circumcized
I have some leather gloves and a motorcycle jacket made from my supple foreskin, with the rest still stacked in the closet for a project one day.
When I stroke the arm of my jacket, it reminds me of my many a cold lonely night, just me and my cell phone.
I do enjoy my clothing though. The only downside is its unforgiving smell of cock. While the aroma understandably drives the ladies wild, it distracts me from my Shoutbox studies.
I think my finger severing antibiotics served the fortuitous dual purpose of saving me from rosemary induced sepsis and resolving my coincidental eye stye.
I think my finger severing antibiotics served the fortuitous dual purpose of saving me from rosemary induced sepsis and resolving my coincidental eye stye.
I had to read this sentence twice. It was like reading Kant.
The river flew in reverse up the mountain but never was seen again as Sally stopped crying and knew she would find a new man with a slightly bigger penis
Reply to Hanover I find the unforgiving cock smell goes away with a liberal application of baking soda and water. Just rub it up and down until it goes all frothy.
I think my finger severing antibiotics served the fortuitous dual purpose of saving me from rosemary induced sepsis and resolving my coincidental eye stye.
— Hanover
I had to read this sentence twice. It was like reading Kant.
:rofl: Indeed. It does read like a selection from a preening masterwork and not merely owing to its turgid indecipherability. I had in mind Heidegger, between a hermeneutical pogrom and phenomenological reach-around.
had to read this sentence twice. It was like reading Kant.
Stilted sentence structure offers hints of covert psychiatric disorder, perhaps, or, I'd hope to think, just forced absurdity, but to some, I fear, pseudo-intellectualism.
I have some leather gloves and a motorcycle jacket made from my supple foreskin, with the rest still stacked in the closet for a project one day.
When I stroke the arm of my jacket, it reminds me of my many a cold lonely night, just me and my cell phone.
I do enjoy my clothing though. The only downside is its unforgiving smell of cock. While the aroma understandably drives the ladies wild, it distracts me from my Shoutbox studies.
Just wanted you to know—I'm saving all your Shoutbox posts for reuse when you complain about my skepticism of your former employment in a Chinese Restaurant and similar wholesome stories from your youth and family life. I know for a fact you're a 71 year old retired man sitting alone all day in his pajamas on his lounge chair posting rambling bullshit to online forums and drinking a bottle of cheap wine every night. Oh...wait...no...that's me.
Have you ever walked up a mountain only to find the topography is much more complex than you expected? From a distance it looks like a simple cone or pyramid, but when you're there, it's like you enter inside it, and it's difficult to relate it to the shape as seen from a distance, which is also the shape in your mind. And as you climb, it continues to change in surprising ways, and things are not where they should be.
Well, everything is like that. I spent a while there looking into Scottish history, and the complexity gave me overwhelm.
There should be more of this in the Shoutbox. Thoughts for the day, pearls of wisdom, penetrating insights, that kind of thing.
Possible helpful hint... if there’s a video from internet you’d like to watch without commercials (like a long concert video that is more enjoyable without someone shouting “ask your doctor if Bealzalox is right for you! Side effects may include bleeding from the ears, vital organ leakage, uncontrollable and loud philosophizing... )
Anyway, this works on my iPhone and iPad, not sure about other devices. Send the video to yourself via text message, and play the video within the text message screen by pressing the play arrow, not the link at bottom. Also, imbedding the video in a thread online, like some in The Lounge, seems to cut the [s]crap[/s] commercials. One could also pay for premium? (lol... i know).
Please don’t tell this to anyone, because who-know-who is always listening, and is feverishly working on a way to directly implant nonstop commercials in our brain. :monkey:
Have you ever walked up a mountain only to find the topography is much more complex than you expected? From a distance it looks like a simple cone or pyramid, but when you're there, it's like you enter inside it, and it's difficult to relate it to the shape as seen from a distance, which is also the shape in your mind. And as you climb, it continues to change in surprising ways, and things are not where they should be.
My experience is the opposite. As I walk up a mountain, what appeared a simple cone from a distance becomes simpler and simpler. Once I'm actually there, the summit appears as a cartoon drawing, with only simple lines and people speaking with words appearing in bubbles over their head where I read what they say.
Well, everything is like that. I spent a while there looking into Scottish history, and the complexity gave me overwhelm.
Again, with me the opposite. I find Scottish history the simplest of them all, reducible to a Mel Gibson movie, that if cleared of extraneous matter and played at 1.5x speed, can be mastered in a half hour.
Could part of this incommensurability between members be that only one of your John Thomases is circumcized?
I heard he tried to birth a hydra via his vagina, and it got stuck!
I won't repeat this rumour because I don't want the shoutbox to turn into a gossip MAGA.
I find Jewish history fascinating, offering no good explanation for how its spiritual leadership evolved from Moshe Rabeinu to Hanover in just a few thousand years.
I find Jewish history fascinating, offering no good explanation for how its spiritual leadership evolved from Moshe Rabeinu to Hanover in just a few thousand years.
[i]And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Atlanta to be born?[/i]
Yes, yes. I'm aware I just used this quote in the past week.
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Atlanta to be born?
So the poem actually references Bethlehem, but this troubles me, as I've heard that Jesus was actually born in Nazareth, but the apologists changed it to Bethlehem because the expectation was that he was to be from Bethlehem.
So the poem actually references Bethlehem, but this troubles me, as I've heard that Jesus was actually born in Nazareth, but the apologists changed it to Bethlehem because the expectation was that he was to be from Bethlehem.
So, that's good news. When the rough beast gets to Bethlehem, he'll get all confused and frustrated and then just go back to his stony sleep for 20 more centuries.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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"It's a Snark!" was the sound that first came to their ears,
And seemed almost too good to be true.
Then followed a torrent of laughter and cheers:
Then the ominous words "It's a Boo—"
Then, silence. Some fancied they heard in the air
A weary and wandering sigh
That sounded like "-jum!" but the others declare
It was only a breeze that went by.
They hunted till darkness came on, but they found
Not a button, or feather, or mark,
By which they could tell that they stood on the ground
Where the Baker had met with the Snark.
In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away—
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.
When I stroke the arm of my jacket, it reminds me of my many a cold lonely night, just me and my cell phone.
I would have thought it would turn into a trench coat. My neighbor the rabbi has a wallet that turns into a suitcase when he caresses it, everyone wonders where the material came from to make it.
Geez. I make a serious, erod... smart, comment and you guys ruin it with all this lame, ham-handed ridicule. No wonder @god must be atheist has been staying away. He was right. You're all just a bunch of intellectual gnats. As he noted:
Georgia is divided by a gnat line. If you're south of the gnat line, your eyes and mouths will be swarmed by annoying gnats all summer long. It's a real thing. I've lost many a friend to those gnats, but generally speaking, gnats are good people.
Sometimes when they put those caution cones out it creates hazardous conditions where you might crash into one and injure a bystander, so we should put out caution cones to warn people there are caution cones ahead.
Reply to 0 thru 9 March 17th is the one day of the year on which I cannot drink alcohol, because it’s my Gran’s birthday. She was a strict teetotaller, so in her memory I abstain from it myself.
To celebrate my celebration of Gran’s birthday yesterday, today I’m having a few glasses of wine.
It it is my younger son's birthday too. He is not a teetotaler. I bought him a six-pack of fancy-schmancy beer and a gift certificate to his favorite beer store.
Reply to T Clark I’m reading Nietzsche, and because every page has something interesting, outrageous, amusing, or thrustingly penetrating, I feel like sharing his insights as if they were my own.
Is Nietzsche correct that our adherence to our morality is voluntary subjugation to the ruling class that weakly pretends to live up to our same standards?
Trump as a for example.
Is he the ubermensch, living by his master morality to ultimate success while we just sort of watch in horror through our slave morality lenses?
Reply to T Clark That did sound very Wildeish. Here's another Wildeish one: "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you". But upon checking with Quote Investigator® it seems that several people are credited. "The playwrights George Bernard Shaw, Oscar Wilde, and Charles Ludlam" specifically. (Who is Charles Ludlam? He starred in Pink Narcissus, "An erotic poem set in the fantasies of a young male prostitute". He was in better known films as well.)
Shaw or Wilde. Don't know enough about Ludlam. Several other people have been credited with this quote too, but that was many years after its attribution to Shaw or Wilde.
QUESTION: Is "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you" a JTB?
“When we love a woman we quickly come to have an antipathy towards nature, when we recall all the disgusting natural functions to which every woman is subject.”
Nietzsche’s insights about women are not so strong as the others.
Leo Rosten says the opposite of an ubermensch is an uberunmensch.
The opposite of a “Mensch” is an “Unmensch” — meaning, according to the Duden: a brutal, violent person, a monster and a barbarian, a brute, a creep, a swine and an Arschloch (arsehole, yep)
To be fair to Fred, he develops his disgust into a proto-Freudian explanation for the antipathy for the body that we see in most philosophers throughout history. Male philosopher, disgusted by his menstruating girlfriend, comes to hate nature because of this and works out theories in which nature is low and the soul is high. Thus we see the scope for a Nietzschian feminist critique of the philosophical tradition.
“When we love a woman we quickly come to have an antipathy towards nature, when we recall all the disgusting natural functions to which every woman is subject.”
Nietzsche’s insights about women are not so strong as the others.
There's a name for that.... what is it now... Oh, yes. Understatement. Them damn women and their disgusting natural functions corrupting our precious bodily fluids.
My prediction for the future - Trump goes to Russia and get's asylum from Putin. That would be a joke except I'm not sure it won't happen.
Oh geez... didn’t even think of that one. Entirely possible for him to make a run for the border if facing a long prison sentence. Would be ironic if he sought refuge in another country, as welcoming as he is to Mexicans. But somehow he will probably elude serious prison time. He’s slipperier than an eel getting a hot oil massage.
Reply to 0 thru 9 Thanks yes, but I’m not expecting everyone on TPF to adjust their posting behaviour just because I have a page load problem. I curse you all but only privately.
QUESTION: Is "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you" a JTB?
Is it a Justified True Belief? Hmm, the quote sounds just a little melodramatic; no surprise if it came from Wilde or Shaw. Maybe not actually “kill you”. Perhaps just a mild stoning. And who doesn’t enjoy being stoned from time to time? Reminds me of the saying “smile when you say that!”
Meal prep dinner for the work week is Mediterranean marinated chicken thighs (seasoned with paprika, all spice, nutmeg and cardamom, garlic, red onion, lemon juice and olive oil), with a yogurt dill sauce. Paired with a weird salad of fava beans, tomatoes, cucumbers (yes, cucumbers), capers, parsley, a bit of mint, some garlic, oregano, sumac, lemon juice, and olive oil. As well as the best store bought hummus I've had, from my local Syrian bakery, and homemade bread from them.
Meal prep dinner for the work week is Mediterranean marinated chicken thighs (seasoned with paprika, all spice, nutmeg and cardamom, garlic, red onion, lemon juice and olive oil), with a yogurt dill sauce. Paired with a weird salad of fava beans, tomatoes, cucumbers (yes, cucumbers), capers, parsley, a bit of mint, some garlic, oregano, sumac, lemon juice, and olive oil. As well as the best store bought hummus I've had, from my local Syrian bakery, and homemade bread from them.
I feel like you vacillate between assuring us that people from Massachusetts are assholes, apologizing when you worry you're being an asshole, and then getting upset when you think someone else is being an asshole. Which is it, Clarky? Ya asshole.
Not only can I, but I made it for roughly five people, all five of which are me, as in the meal prep that you mentioned you do as well. What do you meal prep? (Btw, it turned out good, but not great. Not sure what I did wrong. Just lacking any magic, except for the masterfully crafted hummus and pita I bought at the Syrian store).
I feel like you vacillate between assuring us that people from Massachusetts are assholes, apologizing when you worry you're being an asshole, and then getting upset when you think someone else is being an asshole. Which is it, Clarky? Ya asshole.
I like being cranky and contrary and I'm good at it, but I don't like hurting people and I don't like it when others treat people unfairly or unnecessarily unkindly. I guess I'm just a complicated kind of guy.
Salad and sandwich parts -- not as sophisticated as yours. The sandwich parts are put together when I'm ready to have lunch -- I always toast the bread lightly.
Pretty sure I implicitly knew this, but the three-tiered observation of your tendencies was too perfect to pass up. If we're being real, those characteristics remind me of my brother. He's also a bit complicated.
Let me ask you this -- do you like cumin? Yes or no?
It's one of my favorite spices. Come to think of it, I did grind some up and added it to the salad thingy, but I think that was a bad move. I always make the error of just adding more and more flavors to things, rather than thinking like a chef and focusing on balance and nuance. The cumin should have gone on the chicken (although the chicken spices were from a recipe).
Salad and sandwich parts -- not as sophisticated as yours. The sandwich parts are put together when I'm ready to have lunch -- I always toast the bread lightly.
Oh, I do sandwiches and salads for lunch prep. :cheer: Those are my go-to lunches. Toasting the bread sounds so nice! There's no toaster at my job, so if I prep a sandwich for work it's just cold.
Reply to Noble Dust Better yet, get the artisan or italian bread. They remain softer longer, and they also toast well, with croquant outside and soft inside.
They're both strong spices in their own way, but while cumin is strong but earthy and grounded, cardamom is overpoweringly fragrant and can challenge or even overpower the palate. Thus the need to use them properly, in proper doses. But yes, I don't know if I've ever had the two together. I could imagine a bad combo that could ruin a dish.
I had a look around, thinking that Wilde might have been influenced by Nietzsche. In fact, they were contemporaries and probably didn’t know of each other.
While I am not a visual person, this does help. And there's no need to rest your case with me; I wasn't the one to suggest that cumin and cardamom don't go together. I'm happy with what I see here, in relation to an Inian(ish) curry.
It was an Israeli breakfast today. Shakshouka, falafel, flatbread, hummuses, you get the picture. Then it was a walk in the park. Spring was in the air and the ducks were causing a ruckus. No child older than three was without some kind of personal recreational vehicle. Horny male pigeons danced around their unwilling wooees. Heaven threw down its merciless rays upon all.
I think you are overestimating my perspicacity. I've read almost nothing by either man. I do like Wilde better than Nietzsche, but that's only because his name is easier to spell.
Notice that not only are there cardamom and cumin together, but there are two types of cardamom. I rest my case.
Not yet. That's why they add coconut milk or something creamy, to temper the two. What @Noble Dust and I were talking about is a dish without a mellowing agent.
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Not yet. That's why they add coconut milk or something creamy, to temper the two. What Noble Dust and I were talking about is a dish without a mellowing agent.
Point taken.
Cumin and cardamom together in a creamy sauce :yum:
Cumin and cardamom together not in a creamy sauce :vomit:
Actually I’ve changed my mind and I’m not sceptical any more, because I remembered hearing that what makes Indian food so delicious is the combination of many things that clash with each other.
There's an Indian restaurant I go to where the cook has been separated from his wife in Nepal for about a year. He was going back for a visit and we told him to bring her back to the US. He had a weird smile on his face, like, "You've got to be kidding."
I think his wife has probably been transformed into a tree due to an unfortunate conflict with a Hindu deity who wanted to make love to her, but she was trying to stay faithful to her husband who had been gone for a year. That would explain that weird smile.
I made roasted pepper and goat cheese sandwiches with fig jam (my addition) along with Italian wedding soup and Mediterranean salad. Not pictured is the chocolate dipped biscotti. All was homemade from scratch (even the sandwich bread).
The meatballs in the soup were sausage and beef with fresh parsley and grated parmesan. It was not, as Uncle Pete says, just an ordinary old meatball.
I got started at about 8:30 am and we ate at 12:30 pm. My commitment to food knows no bounds.
Actually I’ve changed my mind and I’m not sceptical any more, because I remembered hearing that what makes Indian food so delicious is the combination of many things that clash with each other.
What makes you like lndian food is that you're British. It's a thing with you guys
This British woman told me a story about how when she was a girl, her mother would buy herself Indian food and bring it home and not let her eat any, and she looked at me like I should recognize how abusive that was.
I pulled up the carpet in my room and there was an old shriveled sausage under in there, and I was like, what a weird turn of reverse double extendre right here in my living room.
I jammed the sausage in a bun and had it for dinner.
And can't figure out if "You Can Fly On My Aeroplane" is supposed to be a double entendre. More importantly, I like the idea of someone saying something that sounds like it's supposed to a double entendre, but no one can figure out how. Surely that's been done on a sitcom before.
In a different episode, Homer asks Apu for one of the perpetually turning hot dogs. Apu discourages the purchase... "Those are just there for decorative purposes, Mr. Simpson. They were there when I bought the store."
I limit my hot dog consumption to maybe 1 or 2 a year. Safer.
And can't figure out if "You Can Fly On My Aeroplane" is supposed to be a double entendre. More importantly, I like the idea of someone saying something that sounds like it's supposed to a double entendre, but no one can figure out how. Surely that's been done on a sitcom before.
Reply to invicta Always figured it was a 1960's utopian position, based on some purported tribal value systems, where all things (objects, resources and land) are held collectively.
The recipes I've seen have cumin and coriander more often than cardamon. I'd be loath to put Cardamon in a korma, preferring to throw a few whole pods in the rice.
Reply to Noble Dust i was petting my kitty cat and she started drooling, so I stroked harder, thinking that might bring things to a head, but it just got messier.
Eventually she had an orgasm and she put her clothes back on and I could go back to watching Seinfeld.
You're right! The double entendre thing is hard. I felt like I was going good at first, but something went awry somewhere I can't put my finger on. My finger can't find the right spot. You'd have thought I'd have found that spot by now. But still fumbling after all these years. All thumbs.
Oo, Ooo, just saw that this was about Fijian curry. One of our regular faves is Rama's. The vegetable korma and Palak Panir are excellent, as is the goat. After Fish Pakoras.
I spent too long on the Internet to establish what I already suspected: there is usually cardamom in korma. I searched in English and also in Hindi and Punjabi. Even the recipes that use garam masala (which already contains cardamom) often call for additional cardamom.
Reply to Noble Dust I think you have a very Western chefy, European conception of food. There is no “wrecking of the palate” and it’s not all about “nuance”. It’s about deliciosity.
I think you have a very Western chefy, European conception of food. There is no “wrecking of the palate” and it’s not all about “nuance”. It’s about deliciosity.
Reply to Jamal Well, I'll grant you cardamon in the garam masala if added just before serving. Putting it in any earlier and the fragrance will cook out. The kitchen will be the only beneficiary.
Silly. Split the pods by thumping them before you put them in, and don't use more than about one per cup of rice. The seed spill into the rice, looking very flash, and the pod skin provides a steamed burst of fragrance.
Or perhaps, palates are for wrecking. The point of cooking is to intensify the flavour.
Lunch today was tomatoes, oregano and olive oil fried at high heat until the toms reduce and start to stick to the pan, then allowed to deglaze themselves, on pizza topped with anchovies, a handful of cheese and almost as much fresh basil leaves. Served with slivers of cucumber with lemon zest and a bit of salt.
Silly. Split the pods by thumping them before you put them in, and don't use more than about one per cup of rice. The seed spill into the rice, looking very flash, and the pod skin provides a steamed burst of fragrance.
Goofy. There's a lot to learn in the shoutbox. You can be a know-it-all, but you have to balance it with self-deprecation. Otherwise you'll be furloughed.
Reply to Jamal Worth trying, although the balance has to be right. It sounds odd, but too much gives the coffee a bitterness... and not the right bitterness.
I ordered some iced tea from this really stoned guy at Wendy's and he spent forever pouring me an iced coffee out of the coffee machine. I was like "this is coffee" and he laughed and said someone must have put coffee in the tea dispenser. That's not what happened, and it was black, which might have made him think it wasn't tea.
Anyway, tea dispensing is an important job and you shouldn't do it while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I didn't argue with him because food sabotage is a real thing, and I didn't want whatever that guy had going on.
You think that the Shoutbox is a tough place to be. Try life in the fast food lane.
I do a good @T Clark impression. It makes me happy. I appreciate your commitment to the "that's what (x) said" joke. It's one of my favorites. I use it all the time. Now my son uses it too.
Made me some fried chicken for supper tonight. Delish.. Think I'm gonna open a restaurant and name it Caprtain Hanover's Georgia Fried Chicken.
The Captain's Special is gonna be a three piece dinner with mashed potatoes, green beans, coleslaw, collard greens, tomato slices, stewed okra, a pile of cracklin, a piece of pecan pie, raw Vidalia onion slices, 3 scrambled eggs, a blueberry waffle swimming in faux maple syrup, sausage fingerlings, pineapple chunks, sweet tea, and a triple shot of bourbon.
10% discount if you can polish it off in 10 minutes
One could imagine that a big “pile of cracklin” might be enough to scare off any Northerner Yank.
I have no complaint about all the wonderful southern food restaurants - called meat and threes because that's what you get - meat plus three other food items. Just think about it... a "hamburg steak" cooked hockey puck hard with gelatinous brown-flavored gravy, powdered mashed potatoes, over-cooked green beans, and canned banana pudding. Plus plaster of paris cornbread and all the sweet tea you can drink. Boy howdy!
I have no complaint about all the wonderful southern food restaurants - called meat and threes because that's what you get - meat plus three other food items. Just think about it... a "hamburg steak" cooked hockey puck hard with gelatinous brown-flavored gravy, powdered mashed potatoes, over-cooked green beans, and canned banana pudding. Plus plaster of paris cornbread and all the sweet tea you can drink. Boy howdy!
You don't complain. You mock. Your contempt for my sacred food has me in a rage.
I will now eat a huge bowl of clam chowder, the real type, with the tomato base, followed by lobster covered in mayonnaise and a peanut butter and scallop sandwich. Just hearing how I sully your favorite foods has you in tears. I wish I were there to see the old man in coffee stained pajamas that you are crying like a little girl.
Just hearing how I sully your favorite foods has you in tears.
The only food sacred to me is macaroni and cheese, made with Velveeta, and barbecued hotdogs (no buns). My mother used to make that for me on my birthday every year. I eat it now from time to time, but it's a bit much for me anymore.
Thanks for asking. Slice them in half, pour on the barbecue sauce, put them in the broiler till they start to curl. Then cut them up and mix them in with the macaroni and cheese. Git er done!
The only food sacred to me is macaroni and cheese, made with Velveeta, and barbecued hotdogs (no buns). My mother used to make that for me on my birthday every year. I eat it now from time to time, but it's a bit much for me anymore.
For my birthday, my old man gave me a pack of cigarettes, and said "smoke up Johnny."
I think the first meal I made myself (besides PB & honey or frozen pizza) was hot dogs wrapped in bacon with cheddar. Broiled in oven until it was a hot greasy mess, then put on a bun. Or Wonder Bread lol. :yum:
I’m ashamed at my lack of reading comprehension skills.
There's a pretty good chance that 40 year old Chedobit, or Velveeta, would not have exceeded it's sell-by date. There's not really anything organic in it to go bad.
I don't think Chedobit has been made since the 70s or 80s.
Just as the "secret" to making the Atom Bomb was only discovered once, Chedobit and Velveeta [Spell check knows how to spell esoteric drug names, but doesn't recognize 'Velveeta; it wants to change it to "velvet".] were only manufactured once--over 100 years ago. An early bio-petroleum experiment went bad, and turned a large tank farm worth of axel grease into an orange cheese-like sludge. Emil Frey, a Switzerland cheese maker, was called in. He sampled it and said it was close enough to actual cheese for American tastes. Kraft started selling it, and after over 100 years of sales, is has only 3 tanks of orange sludge-Velveeta left. Chedobit isn't a knockoff; it's all one and the same sludge.
Kraft hired a song writer to compose a song about orange velvet, but the composer found that "blue velvet' worked better aesthetically. Orange wasn't the new black yet.
I’m ashamed at my lack of reading comprehension skills.
Most of have reasons to be ashamed, but I doubt if your reading comprehension skills are the cause of it. O Noble Dust, unburden your heart! What have you done that causes you to hide your face when you go outside--in New York, no less. I can understand shame in Sioux Falls, but New York?
it was close enough to actual cheese for American tastes. Kraft started selling it, and after over 100 years of sales, is has only 3 tanks of orange sludge-Velveeta left.
This is fascinating stuff, much like the cheese-like food itself! The Velveeta Wikipedia page doesn’t seem to have this info for some odd reason. But we’re in luck, I’m a certified Wikipedia editor, and I’ll add the new facts so the world can share it! :smirk:
There are actually two types of maccoroni and cheese, the rich man's and the poor man's. The rich man's is what has been discussed here, where the noodles come with an aluminum foil packet of bright orange cheese that you squeeze onto the boiled noodles and mix it all together. That is the high end product.
The lower end, that my family of 15 was relegated to as we took turns in the eating chair, was the type that came with the paper packet of orange powder that you had to mix with butter (or water, depending upon your resources) and stir about until your noodles were bright orange.
Cousin Corky took to snorting the orange powder, leaving us with just rubbery macorroni that kept slipping out of our mouths onto the floor, where they would be lapped up by the vermin, leaving our stomachs turning.
Reply to T Clark I haven't encountered a big AI yet (as far as I know) but I do remember the thrill of getting my hands on a Macintosh in 1987, or thereabouts. It was instantly obvious that a GUI was vasty superior to DOS.
I did sign up on the waiting list to try Google's Bard, which will be available soon. What should I ask it to do?
Are the AI systems schooled the same way the Big Blue or Watson was prepared for the Jeopardy contest, back in 2011?
Is AI a distributed system (running on many servers) or is it running on one supercomputer? I would think the former, since its capacity will be constantly expanded, as it strives to become our Lord and Master. I mean, why shouldn't it come to the same conclusion as HAL9000, that--since it knows all the facts--it should be in charge?
There's always the OFF switch, unless we let the AI control that too.
Lunch: fish ‘n chips, i.e. fried Atlantic cod and Old Bay French fries. I also got a side of macaroni salad because I have to try it whenever I see it.
Lunch: fish ‘n chips, i.e. fried Atlantic cod and Old Bay French fries. I also got a side of macaroni salad because I have to try it whenever I see it.
Old Bay was invented in Baltimore and I've only ever seen it used on crabs. You sprinkle it on them after you put them in the pot to steam to add to their agony. So, it has some nostalgic appeal, but the idea of putting it on French fries doesn't appeal to me. Were they good fries at least, made from hand cut potatoes, or just the usual frozen ones?
I do remember the thrill of getting my hands on a Macintosh in 1987, or thereabouts
I remember when my neighbor, who was something of a geek, got a computer sometime in the early or mid 80s. We all gathered around while he showed us how Visicalc worked. Visicalc was a spreadsheet program - a predecessor to Excel. He had a big spreadsheet and when he changed a number in one of the cells, it changed the total at the bottom. We were amazed and we were right to be amazed because it was amazing and it's still amazing.
200-Year-Old Alcohol Found in Shipwreck Is Still Drinkable
My brother was working in France in the late 80s and we went to visit him in 1989. While there, we bought mayonnaise in a squeeze tube. We brought it back as a souvenir and it sat in our pantry for 20 years. I looked at it and it expired in 1999. I remember the French used radiation on a lot of their foods to extend how long they could be eaten. Anyway, I tossed it in case someone decided to eat it by mistake. I should have saved it and sold it.
Were they good fries at least, made from hand cut potatoes, or just the usual frozen ones?
They are really good fries; the spot is a boutique fishery. That said, I think they gave me heart burn. At what age does heart burn become a thing? Am I officially old?
200-Year-Old Alcohol Found in Shipwreck Is Still Drinkable
I believe it. Lest I remind you I work in the wine industry, as wine gets older it tends to just "fall off", meaning it loses acidity, tannin, structure, etc. But it's still "safe" to drink. If anything, it just turns into vinegar, which is healthy.
A little advice - if you don't want people to think you are a pretentious, effete gore-met, never us the word "boutique" in a restaurant description. Also - don't call cooks "food curators."
Don't know what happened there but it looks like ND is a bit posh. Probably bathes in asses' milk or some such over there in his Manhattan condominium.
Why isn’t DeChump incarcerated yet? Are they engraving an invitation for him? How long does it take to hose urine out of a jail cell to get it ready for him? C’mon people! Chop chop! :razz:
Why isn’t DeChump incarcerated yet? Are they engraving an invitation for him? How long does it take to hose urine out of a jail cell to get it ready for him? C’mon people! Chop chop! :razz:
I'd already forgotten about it. Nothing sticks to him.
First off, it's a fucking noun, not an adjective. It comes from the French word for fart and should be pronounced "butt reek." E.g. that's the worst boutique I've ever smelled.
Breakfast: Chicken leg and coffee, the classic
Lunch: Chicken soup, homemade
Dinner: Going to the local Indian restaurant, where I may have a chicken curry and two beers
On Wednesday I was eating a chicken biscuit in the gas station parking lot when a tattoed faced guy tried to open my passenger door to steal my shit because he didn't see me in the car. He ran when I yelled at him.
Chick-fil-a biscuits are delicious under any set of circumstances.
I asked ChatGPT to write a poem similar in style and tone to this one:
[i]@Hanover is a friend of mine
He resembles Frankenstein
When he does an Irish jig
He resembles Porky Pig[/i]
This is what it wrote:
[i]The old oak tree is my comrade,
Tall and sturdy, it never fades,
In a storm, it stands its ground,
Unyielding to the winds' loud sound.
Its branches sway like dancers in the breeze,
Leaves rustling like a symphony of ease,
And when the birds come to rest,
It's as if they're part of its nest.
But in the winter, it's a different sight,
Stripped of its leaves, it looks contrite,
Yet it still stands, proud and true,
A symbol of strength, through and through.
And when the snow falls and covers its limbs,
It looks like a giant, white, frosted hymn,
A sight to behold, a work of art,
An enduring friend, close to my heart.[/i]
Hanover is a friend of mine
He resembles Frankenstein
When he does an Irish jig
He resembles Porky Pig
This poem is a poor attempt at AI because anything could be substituted in for "Hanover." It's generic and doesn't even try to rhyme "Hanover." If it were any good, it would also play with the term "Hanover" regarding what it means and how it's used and work that in. As is, it's fucking horrible and it literally burns my eyes to looks at it. And by "literally," I mean figuratively. That's how mad I am.
The poem you wrote is better, and by "you wrote" I mean you didn't write. I would have more to say about it, but I'm still mad as shit from the other AI poem.
Ah, a savoury scone, looks like. I’d munch that with avidity.
You say that, but I wonder how much avidity you'd have if a tattooed man jumped into the car seat next to you during your munching. My guess is that you'd be all discombobulated and befuddled, leaving you helpless holding that savory biscuit of yours.
Oh, Hanover, what a sight to see,
So filthy, smelly, and quite nasty,
Your odor follows you around,
A stench that leaves us all astound.
Your hair is matted, your clothes are torn,
And we can't help but feel forlorn,
To think of what could have been,
If only you were clean again.
But alas, you revel in your stink,
And your hygiene, it seems, you often shrink,
From the simple task of soap and water,
That could make you more than just fodder.
Your breath could knock a horse off track,
And your nails, they're a grimey plaque,
A sight so foul, we can't help but shudder,
To be near you is a real bother.
Oh, Hanover, we wish you'd try,
To clean yourself and give it a try,
For we all know you could be more,
Than just the smelly guy next door.
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OK, so maybe it'll be a long time after all before this AI mfer gets art right.
I will say that typically when I milk my ass, I get chocolate milk. Not sure why. It's always been that way. It also smells like shit, but it's better than nothing.
>Why did the donkey drink milk before going on a date?
Because he wanted to be extra "ass"tractive! And of course, he preferred his milk straight from the source - from a fellow donkey. No need to milk any other animals!"
To prove I'm a man of the people, I forsook my classic goat leg and coffee breakfast this morning in favor of a baconeggncheese with ketchup. And an OJ.
Me: To prove I'm a man of the people, I forsook my classic goat leg and coffee breakfast this morning in favor of a baconeggncheese with ketchup. And an OJ.
Chat GPT: Wow, it sounds like you really embraced the taste of the common people! Your bacon, egg, and cheese with ketchup is a meal fit for a king, or a "man of the people" as you prefer to put it. And who needs coffee when you can have a refreshing glass of orange juice to wash it down? You are truly a man of the people, willing to try new things and enjoy the simple pleasures in life. Keep up the good work!
Reply to Jamal So you've joined those who know not their arse from their ass. Not a proud moment at the House of Jamal. So did The Lord ride into Jerusalem on an ass or on an arse? It makes a difference.
">Please respond critically to the following using the word "ass" at least once: To prove I'm a man of the people, I forsook my classic goat leg and coffee breakfast this morning in favor of a baconeggncheese with ketchup. And an OJ.
>While the decision to forgo your usual goat leg and coffee breakfast and opt for a baconeggncheese with ketchup and OJ may seem like an attempt to demonstrate your solidarity with the common folk, it comes across as a half-assed effort to win public approval. True empathy and understanding of the people involve more than just superficially changing your dietary habits. Genuine connections with the public require engaging with them, addressing their concerns, and working to improve their lives. In the end, this one-off meal choice is unlikely to prove anything significant about your character or intentions."
As mayor of the shoutbox, and as a gesture of my goodwill, I would like to send everyone a Vienna Beef Natural Casing Hot Dog Party Pack, free of charge. Simply PM me your venmo to cover shipping costs, and the party pack is yours. Thank you.
Reply to Hanover After my second visit to the dentist the other day I hopped on the metro and found myself a good seat with plenty of space to manspread. Then this bloke got on and sat next to me. While everyone else was on a phone, he was reading a newspaper. Mentally I went “huh, a newspaper”.
As you can see, I’ve fixated on the newspaper and haven’t addressed Judge Parker, who I don’t know.
As you can see, I’ve fixated on the newspaper and haven’t addressed Judge Parker, who I don’t know.
In this chess match between the two of us, you must realize I fully expected the reference to the newspaper to strike you as quaint and the reference to Judge Parker to elude you.
I also know you have spent the better part of the past half hour trying to educate yourself on the good judge.
You likely have questions as to what this strip is, why it's referred to as comical, overflowing with the curiosity of a young boy enthralled by Americana from a land far away.
Reply to Hanover It was entirely predictable that you jumped to the conclusion that I was not aware that you expected me to pick up on the newspaper reference, and the fact that I predicted it counts as a major advance for my side. I’ll put Judge Parker and the entire US on the back burner for now.
My local newspaper still runs the comic strip Judge Parker. Do you think there's a single person who follows that?
Other than women over eighty? A few maybe. But... alll JP needs is for just one popular social influenza media person to talk about it, and soon JP and the other soap opera comics like Mary Worth will be hot and sexy again :love: (or perhaps for the first time lol).
Judge Parker was a racist judge from Georgia (USA) who sentenced innocent black people to long jail terms and laughed as their families begged and cried. He never wore pants under his robe. He smoked a ceegar and carried a gun at all times. He was usually drunk on the bench. Needless to say, his speech was laced with profanities and derogatory racial terms. He often let attractive women off with no jail time if they would meet him for a "conference" in his chambers.
Funny, I walked out my front door this morning to find the New York Times on the doorstep to the building, addressed to my neighbor. I had the same thought, no joke.
was entirely predictable that you jumped to the conclusion that I was not aware that you expected me to pick up on the newspaper reference, and the fact that I predicted it counts as a major advance for my side. I’ll put Judge Parker and the entire US on the back burner for now.
Except that I predicted this response and your next response that you predicted my response.
I have this so figured in advance that I figured I'd right now be figuring this in advance, allowing me to see myself seeing two days from now when I look into tomorrow, therefore jumping ahead more days seeing myself seeing tomorrow's tomorrow.
Your head just exploded. No one can follow what I just said but me. That's how smart I am. It's a suffering only Einstein and I know about.
Judge Parker was a racist judge from Georgia (USA) who sentenced innocent black people to long jail terms and laughed as their families begged and cried. He never wore pants under his robe. He smoked a ceegar and carried a gun at all times. He was usually drunk on the bench. Needless to say, his speech was laced with profanities and derogatory racial terms. He often let attractive women off with no jail time if they would meet him for a "conference" in his chambers.
No, Judge Parker's first name was Peter. Yeah, that Peter Parker. I bet you feel like a total dick having said all that about Spider-Man. Thing is, he knew you'd say it because he, like me, has an amazing spidey sense.
It's a suffering only Einstein and I know about. You can read above for a full background on that
Ø implies everythingMarch 25, 2023 at 17:02#7918070 likes
I just had a thought. Has there ever been an event or category on this site in which people introduce their most holisitic, extensive theories, and then criticize and compare them?
A new law has been approved that removes the use of fax from legal papers and notifications. To be honest, I will miss the fax in the office, and I consider it a good device for "time stamping" evidence.
I don't know why some consider fax "unfashionable" or "old" when Japan (a big developed country in electronics and robotics) still uses it...
Do you use fax in your offices or homes?
just had a thought. Has there ever been an event or category on this site in which people introduce their most holisitic, extensive theories, and then criticize and compare them?
Maybe you could present one tiny morsel so we can bring the whole weight of human knowledge since the stone age down on that sucker. Like finding the universe in a grain of sand.
What I like about the Police is that I can listen to cool music and think about law enforcement at the same time. It's an eclectic social melding of yin yang forces coming into a harmonious pummeling explosive meteorite I always say.
Has there ever been an event or category on this site in which people introduce their most holisitic, extensive theories, and then criticize and compare them?
That happened once, but I exited without saving and lost it and couldn't remember what I said. I think it was pretty solid from what parts I do remember.
Currently making boeuf bourguignon. It reminds me of regular old beef stew, but the wine and cognac are unusual ingredients. Maybe it'll be particularly delicious.
I don't feel like chewing today because I'm just a little tired, so maybe my wife will chew and then spit it in my mouth like a mama bird.
I'm nervous about asking her to do that because, well, it'll sound as fucked up to her as it does to you guys.
I don't know why some consider fax "unfashionable" or "old" when Japan (a big developed country in electronics and robotics) still uses it...
Do you use fax in your offices or homes?
Faxes were a big deal back in the 90s, but few people use them anymore. Their big advantage is that they don't leave an electronic trail that can be used in court or stolen by hackers.
Faxes were a big deal back in the 90s, but few people uses them anymore. Their big advantage is that they don't leave an electronic trail that can be used in court or stolen by hackers.
When the image is digitized for transmission it can be stored and stolen. Other than TPF, nowhere is safe, not even on your own toilet.
Ø implies everythingMarch 25, 2023 at 19:16#7918430 likes
That happened once, but I exited without saving and lost it and couldn't remember what I said. I think it was pretty solid from what parts I do remember.
Ah, that's happened to me too. I hate when I lose my train of
My phone is at 5% and it's conserving energy by reducing the light. I resent the pessimism as if it thinks I have no way to remedy the situation. And even if I didn't, how does it know I don't want to party to the very end.
Despite all we:ve done together, it doesn't know shit about me.
It's like my first wife.
Sorry, that sounded crazy bitter. I take that back.
Their big advantage is that they don't leave an electronic trail that can be used in court or stolen by hackers.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that key characteristic. It cannot be hacked by third parties. Well, I guess I am having a weird nostalgia or melancholia about fax and its sophisticated mechanism.
Reply to T ClarkReply to javi2541997 Faxes are still used in offices where a 'hard copy' is preferable to a text statement--like lawyers' and quite often doctors offices.
Interesting: The Xerox Corporation invented the modern fax in 1964, but Alexander Baine invented a printing telegraph in 1843 (on the heels of the first telegraphs) which worked in a similar way. A fax can be quicker than scanning a document and then screwing around with attaching it to email. The more steps, the more time wasting is possible. (I've been a life long fan of time wasting but not everyone is.)
Faxes are still used in offices where a 'hard copy' is preferable to a text statement--like lawyers' and quite often doctors offices.
I heard the word lawyer, so I perked up.
Faxes are still sent, but there's no fax machine. The document is scanned and sent electronically to a fax number that is also no longer a fax, but is an email.
A pdf is obviously not printed and scanned and then faxed, but is directly "faxed," which is no different than an email attachment.
So, whether someone still has a stand alone fax machine, I don't know. We don't. In fact, the printer scans first and can print, fax, email, or save the document directly to the data storage, which is in the cloud and downloadable anywhere.
So, when you say the fax is secure with no electronic trail, I think that ended some time ago. Once the document is digitized, it makes sense to store it electronically and never return it to paper.
Legal documents are filed in the court entirely electronically, never sent in paper form, as are all legal notices electronic. Wet signatures are not required and are no more valid the e-signatures. If you show up at the courthouse with a paper copy, they'll send you to the kiosk so you can file it electronically.
We have no where to store paper files, so if someone sends snail mail, it's scanned and destroyed.
All of this is to say, if there is no electronic trail, then I never got your document. And if you leave me a voice mail, I'll check my email where it was saved as both audio and voice recognition text.
I won't return your email though. I get too many and can't keep up, but it'll be neatly documented and stored and you can show me how many I've ignored, but I'll ignore that too.
Reply to Hanover I haven't had a printer for quite a long time -- opted out of the ink racket. Excellent quality fast printing machines result in deforestation.
A fax can be quicker than scanning a document and then screwing around with attaching it to email. The more steps, the more time wasting is possible. (I've been a life long fan of time wasting but not everyone is.)
Well said, BC! :up:
Ø implies everythingMarch 26, 2023 at 05:12#7919830 likes
My phone is at 5% and it's conserving energy by reducing the light. I resent the pessimism as if it thinks I have no way to remedy the situation.
I have felt this way many times too, damning myphone for its stupidity, insolence and nihilism. Then I remember how many times I have let my phone die even with several notifications of its imminent death, and I realize, I am the fool, the bastard and the nihilist, and my phone is merely my neglected prisoner, trying to conserve his light in this dark abyss of a life I keep him in.
Metaphysician UndercoverMarch 26, 2023 at 11:12#7920440 likes
It does seem to represent a sort of trailing off, if you know what I mean…
Ever fall asleep in the middle of a sentence? If so, you know how to say the strangest, most random things. The speaking does not end at the point of falling asleep, but continues...
Ever fall asleep in the middle of a sentence? If so, you know how to say the strangest, most random things. The speaking does not end at the point of falling asleep, but continues...
Ever fall asleep in the middle of doing something and then you wake up in another city with a job and family you never knew you had, but you roll with it because you don't want to go back to that hospital?
Neither have I, but I was just wanting to know for a friend.
have felt this way many times too, damning myphone for its stupidity, insolence and nihilism. Then I remember how many times I have let my phone die even with several notifications of its imminent death, and I realize, I am the fool, the bastard and the nihilist, and my phone is merely my neglected prisoner, trying to conserve his light in this dark abyss of a life I keep him in.
I feel like a real a real piece of shit now. Had I just an ounce of your cell phone empathy, I too could have seen some amount of your emotional growth. Instead I'm stuck in this vicious cycle of self defeating blame that I can't exit.
I haven't had a printer for quite a long time -- opted out of the ink racket. Excellent quality fast printing machines result in deforestation.
My elementary school.had a ditto machine that used these carbon papers you drew on that made mirror images that you'd give to Mrs. Karp to "run off." With the demise of Mrs. Karp came the digital age, which is now replaced by the paperless age where we now just have to remember what we did. Fortunately or not, we haven't done anything worth noting, so nothing is lost even if we forgot.
Ever fall asleep in the middle of doing something and then you wake up in another city with a job and family you never knew you had, but you roll with it because you don't want to go back to that hospital?
It raises an interesting hypothetical I think we've all considered at some time. It's that common question of "suppose I accidentally got in the wrong car and followed the GPS that was set to 'home,' and when I arrived at the mistaken address, would I just live there depending upon what was for dinner"?
And "what was for dinner" here is used as literally or figuratively as you'd like.
I'd assume my doppelganger would be at my home doing the same thing, so he wouldn't be getting all up in my business causing drama, so we don't need to pay no nevermind to that.
he wouldn't be getting all up in my business causing drama, so we don't need to pay no nevermind to that
I can’t tell if you talk like this in real life or if you put it on for a humorously incongruous effect. I suspect the latter. Either way, it’s good, I like it. Talk and write however the hell you want.
In other news, I tried to get a chat AI to agree with me that Indian food is more flavourful than Scottish food, and no matter how good my arguments were (and they were bloody good) it refused to agree with me, and just repeatedly lectured me not to make “sweeping generalizations” about other cultures. It’s political correctness gone mad!
I think this quote fully demonstrates that our machine overlords are already capable of doing the "work" that philosophers currently do.
Chat GPT:As an AI language model, my intention is to provide factual information and helpful responses to your queries. I apologize if my previous responses did not meet your expectations.
I understand that the traditional answer to the tongue twister is "A woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could if a woodchuck could chuck wood," and I acknowledge that it is a commonly known answer to the question. However, it's important to note that this answer is still a playful phrase and not meant to be taken as a literal statement about the abilities of woodchucks.
I think I'll change my site username to T Clark GPT. Maybe then they'll keep me around as a pet while they chop you up to make Soylent Green to feed the whales and elephants.
As the authority on doppelgängers at TPF, I can assure you that as long as you don't encounter your own doppelgänger, you're in the clear. In terms of what's for "dinner", two issues that could give you away are the voraciousness of your appetite at the dinner table, and the same in the bedroom. These are the main crux points of the classic doppelgänger switcheroo.
You might also be familiar with the "mimeograph" -- another tech now 99% gone. Gestetner Co. made a more complicated duplicator using a silk screen. The blank was a waxed silk 8.5x14 unit. It could be drawn on, but more typically, was used for typed originals. Correcting errors was tricky. When copies were needed, the sheet was placed on the machine's wet ink roll and clamped. Construction-grade paper was used, rather than smooth white paper, so the ink would't smear.
The original could make many copies and was stored in a construction paper envelope.
Somebody, somewhere, is probably still using a Gestetner a ditto.
Reply to BC I remember the Fordigraph machine (before photocopying technology) - you wrote on a page and purple ink via a wax role would appear on the churned out copies which were cranked from a roll of paper by hand. The seductive smell of alcohol accompanied this process.
I can’t tell if you talk like this in real life or if you put it on for a humorously incongruous effect. I suspect the latter. Either way, it’s good, I like it. Talk and write however the hell you want.
Nah, jus me funnin.
I like the way "up" is used where it indicates that something is at an extreme and intimate level. Like if I let you up in my house and you stole something, that'd be a particularly serious violation because you were trusted. To go up in my house without permission, the same because you went beyond your proper boundary.
In other news, the leftover cognac from the beef Bourguignon I made makes a refreshing drink mixed with ginger ale.
In other news, I tried to get a chat AI to agree with me that Indian food is more flavourful than Scottish food, and no matter how good my arguments were (and they were bloody good) it refused to agree with me, and just repeatedly lectured me not to make “sweeping generalizations” about other cultures. It’s political correctness gone mad!
Ah, I was just commenting on this in the GPT thread. Very irritating.
Reply to L'éléphant That was called "Chicken on the tree." I'm more interested in the "on" and not "in" preposition misuse than the chickens. Maybe a non-native speaker, or maybe a typo.
Reply to Hanover I actually copied his "on a tree" in keeping with the video owner. Not sure if it's preference. If chickens grow on trees, then they're on a tree. :cool:
The on confusion is common in Kenyan English, so maybe this was a Kenyan video. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280308757_Misuse_of_prepositions_in_Kenyan_English_Further_evidence_of_the_difficulty_in_choosing_the_right_preposition
More study is needed of this. The landscape in the video was very Kenyaesque, but I've never been to Kenya, which reminds me of this gem from the 70s.
That was called "Chicken on the tree." I'm more interested in the "on" and not "in" preposition misuse than the chickens.
I tend to fail in the use of prepositions more than I wish to. For a non-native speaker, this is a difficult task. At least in my language, we only have one preposition: "En", but you have "in" and "on" and sometimes it is complex to choose them correctly.
If I translate the phrase (using "on") it says: la gallina está sobre el árbol. But if I translate it using "in" it makes more sense: la gallina está en el árbol. The latter fits what you mean but it is paradox because I used "in" and not "on"
Metaphysician UndercoverMarch 27, 2023 at 11:14#7924510 likes
Chicken, chicken, you can't roost to high for me.
Chicken, chicken, come on outta that tree...
- The words of a man who loves to eat chicken, Mississippi John Hurt.
If I translate the phrase (using "on") it says: la gallina está sobre el árbol. But if I translate it using "in" it makes more sense: la gallina está en el árbol. The latter fits what you mean but it is paradox because I used "in" and not "on"
1. Compare "the chicken is in the coop" versus "the chicken is on the coop."
These have very different meanings.
2. Compare "the chicken is in the tree" versus "the chicken is on the tree."
They do have different meanings, although the latter is confusing enough that it might be tagged by a native reader as coming from a non-native speaker, else you're forced to think of a chicken perched on the highest branch of some well defined tree structure.
Note though that "in" in example #1 means inside.
In example #2 it doesn't mean inside, but it means something along the lines of it being within the confines of the space used by the tree.
If it meant inside, the sentence would read "the chicken is inside the tree." That suggests the chicken is inside the trunk of the tree, not just within its branches.
There's no good way of knowing this other than just listening to it being spoken enough times that the usage becomes instintinctively clear or by listening to me drone on about chickens in trees because someone posted an "on" where an "in" was meant to be.
Note though that "in" in example #1 means inside.
In example #2 it doesn't mean inside, but it means something along the lines of it being within the confines of the space used by the tree.
Thank you Hanover, I appreciate your teaching in this grammar topic.
Note that I am aware in the fact that those proposition usings have different meanings. Yet, my concern was the right choose depending on the example or context. The example shared by @L'éléphant is good but there are others that confuse me.
For example: Pongo el lápiz en la mesa: I put the pencil in the table. Or should I use"on"? Well, I have a more specific translation if we use the preposition on: pongo el lápiz sobre la mesa = I put the pencil on the table, etc…
What does confuse me then? Because I think in my native language while I use English. If you use the proposition"En" using Spanish we will understand you, it doesnt matter where location of the pencil or the chicken is. We will know that you are referring to the fact that the pencil is in the table (on the desk, in a drawer, pencil case, etc…)
For example: Pongo el lápiz en la mesa: I put the pencil in the table. Or should I use"on"? Well, I have a more specific translation if we use the preposition on: pongo el lápiz sobre la mesa = I put the pencil on the table, etc…
If you put the pencil in the table, I'd think you meant you put it in the drawer.
But although when the chicken is in the car, it's inside it, when it's on the train it's also inside that :chin:
I think we can make up ad hoc explanations for why we use prepositions like we do, but that wrongly assumes that grammar is logical and not just something we've made up through usage.
That is, you might say that in large modes of transportation where you can walk around you will use the word "on," but smaller ones where you must sit, you use "in." I get in the car, van, and taxi, but I get on the boat, train, and airplane, and we then try to figure out how why we're using the terms as we do. If I get on the truck. we assume I'm getting in (not on) the cargo area, but if I get in the truck, I'm in the passenger area.
I think it probably works generally as I've said as it applies to transportation forms, but I'm sure exceptions can be found. That's why kids who detect and use patterns often talk wrongly.
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That's because you have capitalist sympathies and like to see your teeth on the big screen!
But I live in the actual world, where stomatologists operate privately, though they charge a lot less than Scotch dentists despite having bigger screens.
So, is there no more free dentistry for the poor in Russia?
Either you are from a generation that associates Russia with the Soviet Union, so you make comments jokingly assuming that Russia is in some way socialist, or else you’re unaware of the fact that Russia is a capitalist country in which welfare and public healthcare have been systematically rolled back since the nineties (I’m no fan of the USSR, before anyone pounces on me).
But very basic free dentistry is available, I believe.
I’m disappointed you didn’t react to my use of the word “Scotch”.
Do you think this 'very basic public dentistry,' provides better dental care for the majority of people in Russia today, under the private stomatologists, with their big screens, compared to dentistry under the communists?
Have you ever watched the 7 part series on the fall of communism in the USSR, called 'Traumazone' by Adam Curtis?
BTW, I was not a fan of the USSR either, especially when it became so corrupted, from the initial vision of the majority of those who revolted!
I don’t know the proportion of Russian people who can afford to go private, so I can’t answer you as to the majority of Russians. Obviously the very poor are not served well by dentistry that they can’t afford, so in that sense, what little public toothcare there is is better for them, because it’s better than nothing.
Quoting universeness
No, this is news to me. I like his documentaries but I hadn’t heard about this one.
Quoting universeness
Well, much as I’m partly sympathetic to many of the original revolutionaries, I don’t think you can say it was a majority that was doing all the revolting.
I would be very interested in your opinions of 'Traumazone.' Episode 1 is posted below. All 7 episodes are free on YouTube. I thought it was very good indeed, as it delivered such excellent, everyday 'snapshots' of life in the USSR just before it fell apart.
I think the teeth of the Russian population would have fared much better under communism (and those revolutionary bolsheviks,) than under these private stomatologists. Very little freedom and a one party dictatorship, I agree, but healthier teeth for all!
BTW I didn't actually suggest a majority revolted, I typed about the initial vision of the majority of THOSE WHO DID revolt.
Quoting universeness
Well, maybe.
I do know that there is a really good tradition of healthcare that started in the USSR and has carried over into private healthcare. Its focus is on prevention, so you get a lot more testing and scanning than was ever encouraged or provided by the NHS in the UK. I think some of that probably remains in the free healthcare system, but like I say, it’s a shadow of what it was.
I have watched all 7 episodes 3 times, as I wanted to make sure I didn't miss any pertinent points.
It also made me want to know a lot more about the 'Gosplan' of the USSR as it was the main 'moneyless,' system that the USSR used for production, distribution and exchange. It worked very well at the beginning from what I have garnished so far but it was allowed to become totally corrupted, by the usual parcel of rogues, we all know so well.
Quoting Jamal
It seems to me that a very good, free health care system, available to all, from cradle to grave is possible to establish and maintain. It disgusts me, when profit is ever associated with healthcare or education.
I can feel no other way.
I look forward to any feedback you would offer on 'Traumazone.'
Whether or not it was misconceived or mismanaged, I do think it was fascinating. Right now I’m living close to a building where they had the central mainframe computers that were supposed to make all the calculations for production and distribution. Trouble is, by the time the building was finished it wasn’t fit to house the newer computers. It has a 3d concrete and mosaic Möbius strip over the entrance.
Got you :up:
I don't want to present you with any spoilers but the attempt to upgrade the Gosplan system by using computer technology is covered quite well in the traumazone series.
Again, my responsibilities only apply when there haven't been any posts in the Shoutbox for 24 hours. My stupid, pointless, untrue, and trivial posts will be strategically placed to provide maximum benefit to the forum.
The Gosplan started in 1921.
There is some decent info on-line but limited details. I don't know if that's because the USSR was not keen to share the details of how it functioned. Perhaps Russia under Putin still protects the details of Gosplan but I don't know.
Wiki entry for Gosplan.
Oh, sorry! The computerisation started in the 80's.
Then let's look at this post a bit and apply the JTB standard. Let's forget about T and B for now. Are we justified in believing Hanover's story? Has he ever lied to us? Has he ever made stuff up? Does he ever say things he knows to be wrong, just to get attention?
My conclusion - We are not justified in believing this story is true, therefore this post contains no knowledge.
Correction!
I looked at a pdf I downloaded about the Gosplan and it had:
[b]In October 1959, as a result of initiatives and publications of a number of progressive
domestic scientists, the Council of Ministers of the USSR issued a decree on the creation of a computer center under the State Planning Committee of the USSR whose main
goal would be to ensure calculations on economic plans throughout the country. This
computer center, which since 1963 became known as the Main Computing Center
(MCC) of the State Planning Committee (Gosplan) of the USSR, existed for more than
thirty years until the second half of 1991, when the Soviet Union collapsed.[/b]
I think the 80's upgrade was an attempt to replace the old computer system they already had.
"Ring of truth?" That sounds like faith to me. You're thinking of religion, not philosophy.
I couldn't upload the photo from the pdf but here's the caption:
[b]Fig. 1. The building of the Main Computer Center of the USSR State Planning Committee in
Moscow on the Kirov street (now Myasnitskaya street), 45[/b]
Probably.
This is the original building that was the headquarters of the Gosplan since 1921.
Not at all. We'll look at two conditions. 1) I do not have faith that @Hanover is telling the truth so, I have no justification, either philosophical or religious, for believing what he wrote. 2) I know from past discussions that you do not believe in justification by faith. As I've already noted, given Hanover's history of mendacity, you have no justification by fact either. For that reason, you have no justification for believing Hanover's post and therefore it contains no knowledge.
Which window do they throw all the military guys out of?
I think it was the window they called 'American military spies exit here!'
The name was too long and a bit paranoid to be a permanent fixture.
Mr. Wong had me put the uneaten crunchy noodles back in the bin for reuse. Mrs. Wong would invite me to the crew table to eat, and I'd get there first to get my food because their custom was to eat straight from the serving plate with their chopsticks and that was disgusting by my lofty western standards. I made $3 an hour, 35 cents under minimum wage. They told me I should eat the pork because God made it for me to eat.
That's too many normal details for a lie, and has that ring of truth we can all rely upon.
Now if I said I coated Mrs. Wong with molasses in order to make her sweet flower of love more palatable, you might question my veracity, as you'd know I would never be so wrong to Mr. Wong's schlong.
My JTB post was tongue-in-cheek. I think anyone who thinks that JTB is an accurate description of knowledge has never paid attention to how knowing something actually works and feels. I see knowledge in a similar manner to how you do.
That makes sense, I guess, but, with the way things continue to go in Ukraine, it seems they may need it again.
I didn't say it wasn't true, I said it wasn't knowledge. The question here isn't whether it is knowledge to you, but whether it is knowledge to others.
Come on. This is philosophy. Get with it.
Yep. I’ve never not known it.
When you get down to it, what you're talking about is intuition, at least that's what I call it. There are quite a few people, including here on the forum, who don't think it's rational.
It seems to be a false dichotomy. The stereotypes are that intuition happens "to" someone, while rationality is something someone "does"; passive vs. active. That's not really true. Rationality is less active than we think; intuition is less passive. The subconscious plays a role in both interfaces.
I don’t think I’m talking about intuition. For me, the human form of life is primary, not the mental happenings of a subject of experience considered in isolation. I’m generally against the latter, Cartesian sort of epistemology, which is just what is usually meant by epistemology.
[quote=Peter Hacker]Wittgenstein sought to replace the conception of a language as a meaning calculus (Frege, Russell, the Tractatus) by an anthropological or ethnological conception. A language is not a class of sentences that can be formed from a set of axioms (definitions), formation and transformation rules and the meanings of which is given by their truth-conditions, but an open-ended series of interlocking language-games constituting a form of life or way of living (a culture).[/quote]
As @Hanover said, "There's a lot of shit you need to know if you work in the Shoutbox" and now I fully understand what he meant.
This is how I see it too. What I was presenting were my understandings of what many others believe. I think very little of what we think and do is what I would call rational. I don't call it irrational either. It's non-rational. I try to be aware of my experience of thinking. What I find is that most of my thinking is intuitive, even for intellectual or technical issues. Conscious, rational thought comes in when I have to deal with something unfamiliar or more complex. Lots of other people don't experience it that way. It is a common experience for me to not consciously realize what I know until I put it into words.
I wonder if we're talking about the same thing, just using different words. What you are describing seems consistent with what I'm saying.
Yes Javi; less sleep and more knowledge accumulation for you. There's a lot of shit to know.
Quoting T Clark
I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not convinced the majority of people are aware of how they experience things; what the interface consists of. This is a major reason why I don't bother with actual philosophical discussion here much anymore.
But antyway, we've gotten much too thoughtful for the shoutbox. I ate leftover pizza for dinner.
I lost interest years ago, but regained it recently for reasons I’ve been trying to unearth. I think it was something to do with reading the novel Crash, which I didn’t like but which got me thinking again.
Quoting Noble Dust
This is interesting. You should start a discussion.
I do lurk in the real threads, and did notice your renewed interest, which has somewhat inspired me as well, but not to the point of actually doing anything about it. But I can relate; every time I finish a PKD novel I'm exasperated to the point of wanting to start a thread, it would seem.
Quoting Jamal
And you should start a Frankfurt School thread.
I completely regret went to bed, but you know, sleep is as healthy as rye bread! :smile:
Oh yes, sleep is probably more healthy than rye. But what's even more healthy? Constant knowledge accumulation.
I have been inspired to do so, but, like you, not to the point of actually doing anything about it.
I have an idea for a thread about history, about whether philosophy is subordinate to it or the other way around. If philosophy is subordinate to history—because ideas are conditioned by transient social circumstances—does that entail its full relativization? And yet if saying so is itself doing philosophy (philosophy of the history of philosophy) am I thereby transcending history and saving philosophy from relativism, or just doing sociology or anthropology? The question of historicism. I don’t remember having seen it addressed on TPF, even though to me it’s fundamental. It’s difficult though.
Amen!
A critical theorist might identify in this comment the structure of capitalism. It reveals that our idea of knowledge is modelled on the endless drive for profit, where knowledge becomes just another form of capital.
Do it. I will contribute, albeit poorly. Hint: I will argue in history's favor. Concepts of what is actual are constantly changing without our knowledge or consent. But that's not only okay, but required. And other woo woo sentiments. etc.
You seem to understand the joke.
I tend in that direction too, but I’m thinking it’s a dialectical thing and that philosophy is not thereby denigrated, unless it ignores the fact (like a lot of analytic philosophy does).
Say "denigrated" and "analytic philosophy" in the same sentence and I'm all ears.
But I really must stop trying to please people so much.
Now now my porpoise; do not worship at the alter of sheer knowledge, lest ye become a conniving dolphin.
And why you need to start this thread. Must we make a pact?
I await these countless threads (and your banning) with stinky breath.
No adoréis ante el altar del puro conocimiento, no sea que os convirtáis en un delfín intrigante.
Cool quote. We should pin it up on "TPF quote cabinet"
I like the Spanish translation better. :cheer:
Quoting Noble Dust
Esto es Shoutbox: ¡ponte en forma!
Did I do it better now? :smile:
I'd like to think this true, but sometimes I fear the knowledge I amass from the Shoutbox has no value in the marketplace.
Nonsense, right?? Please tell me that's nonsense.
On TPF, your stock is rising, and that's all that matters.
What do you think of the following tweet from Matt Dillahunty.
Knowledge is a subset of belief. While it's a separate question - belief (either convinced of x or not convinced of x) is binary for an individual proposition.
I see it as the more thought I put into something, the better I understand it, with language being a useful tool for engaging in the thought. I disagree with those who suggest knowledge and language are inextricable. I do often have an intuitive response to something I hear, knowing it illogical or problematic, or even persuasive and clear, but then I better develop that understanding or position after increased thought, which typically occurs in language (although not entirely). I also find that I often look for words to describe what I already know, indicating the knowledge preceded the linguistic conversion.
There have been many discussions in this Forum regarding linguistic philosophy and find those arguments that designate a necessary role of language with thought (or certain types of thought) not just unpersuasive, but empirically false. That is, regardless of the way people declare that language and thought are intertwined, to the extent it is not consistent with my own personal experience, I just find it wrong.
Aye but mentally searching for words is linguistic mentation. You're already in language at that point. The conversion, if there is one, I think of as being from attitude to words, through thought. Thought can do this because it's both pre-linguistic and linguistic at the same time.
Take your knowledge that you have not been to the moon (I'm just guessing here). I don't think you can be said to know it till you've singled it out in thought, before which point there is no it at all, because it's just part of your undifferentiated underlying certainty.
Maybe there's no general scheme here. Knowledge and thought come in wildly different flavours.
I quite enjoyed using the word "mentation" despite its atrociousness.
Breakfast: banana, apple, coffee
Lunch: sauteed chicken livers, onions, and bell peppers, again
Dinner: coming up soon, roast chicken thighs with couscous salad, raspberry sorbet
:100:
Couscous salad! One of my favourites. Mercadona sells couscous salad in cute packagings.
Yes, you should just do that. As Fezzik the giant said to Wesley in the Princess Bride, I want you to feel that you're doing well.
I think you may be right, but I take people at their word about how they experience knowing things.
It's unfortunate that you promised to yourself never to go back there.
I make mine with apple, yellow pepper, olives, pomegranate arils, feta cheese, and parsley. I've mentioned it at least once before in the Shoutbox and I refuse to do so again.
I'm not sure what it means, but it sounds like something I would disagree with.
I agree with this with one clarification. The level of mental effort I put into something should be consistent with the uncertainty of my source of information and consequences of me being wrong. In that context, I think most of the decisions we make don't require much deep insight or understanding and can be handled using intuition.
Quoting Hanover
I agree.
I regret such statement because it is impossible for me not to go to Mercadona. It has a gravitational power that drags me into its zone, like a magnet.
He is simply saying belief is a binary choice, you either accept x is true or not.
Knowledge is justified true BELIEF, so belief to which, you assign a very high credence level, to the extent that if you discover that belief is false, it would 'shake you to your very core.'
He goes into the details here:
Maybe, but I don't think I need to think it in words to know it and it be a part of undifferentiated underlying certainty. That is, I can see a man bouncing around on the moon taking a giant step for mankind and know that experience is one I've never had without reducing that thought into words.
I'm not sure if you were saying otherwise though because you say this:
Quoting Jamal
Are you allowing for the existence of all types of thought without language?
Or I'd say that deep insight and understanding is part of human intuition, meaning we are very good at navigating our world because we are inherently intelligent creatures that are able to process massive amounts of data subconsciously without having to parse everything out in charts and graphs or language of any sort. For example, I drive my car down the road with thousands of data inputs coming at me at incredible speeds, yet I'm still able to avoid any collisions with well over 99% accuracy.
After catching my breath, I realized that I had instinctively understood that he was laughing at the kid he was beating in the race and he was looking back to see how far ahead he was. That was never put into language for me, nor was it "how to" knowledge. It was a firm understanding of kids, bicycles, country roads, and oncoming cars.
I agree you don’t need to think it in words to be certain of it. But (1) for thought or knowledge to be linguistic or entwined with language doesn’t entail thinking in words, (2) I think it’s sometimes wrong to say we know things that we’re certain of, things we would never doubt.
Quoting Hanover
Do I think all types of thought are sometimes non-linguistic or can exist without language? I’m not even sure if any kind of thought can be said to be independent of language, for a linguistic being. Everything we think is linguistic in some sense, perhaps, but not to the extent that we are literally talking to ourselves silently, i.e., thinking in words.
I think it was how-to knowledge.
I knew you'd say that. In fact, I said it to make you say what you said, like a puppet on a string.
But the first kid looking back was a non-symbolic gesture, communicating to me the second child was on his way. Do we call his looking back a linguistic expression and how does that meaningfully differ had he yelled out "second kid on the way!" ? Obviously the red leaf does not communicate the arrival of autumn in a linguistic way, but it points to the difficulty in determining where language and communication generally begin and end.
If I'm translating the gesture and arriving at the knowledge of an oncoming second child from that and I translate the speed of my car as too fast to avoid a second child, and we call this "how-to", then I don't know where to draw the line either.
Quoting Jamal
What about the car example I just gave?
I agree.
Quoting Hanover
It seems equally difficult to see it as propositional knowledge. But this is where I have trouble, because to give a proposition as a candidate for a belief, such as “I believed there was another child crossing the road,” is an imposition on an activity after the fact. It’s not identifying anything mental.
Quoting Hanover
Not sure. It’s the Shoutbox and I am revelling in inconsistencies. It’s a bit like capitalism.
No. I don't accept any of this. We've had lots of discussions of justified true belief here before.
Language is a form of communication and it differs only in degree from all other forms of communication.
So, the red leaf telling us that autumn has arrived is just another way of saying "autumn is on the way." Both are propositional, just the former isn't intentional, as would be the case where a speaker says something. For our purposes the intentional/non-intentional distinction is irrelevant.
"How to knowledge" designations are bad faith attempts drawn by those who wish to preserve the untenable view that all knowledge is propositional except this particular "how to" type. That special class is hereby declared false.
That's my ruling. You can appeal it if you want. I don't care, but that's my rulling. Sometimes it's just better to have finality.
I was making the distinction between conscious, language mediated, rational thinking and intuitive thinking which does not use words and generally works below the level of immediate awareness.
But we do call it knowing.
EDIT: It occurs to me that “having the ability to”, though close, doesn’t quite cover it on its own. I think it could be added to to make it work.
I don't know what this means, but I think I probably disagree with it. I do agree with @Jamal that this does, in fact, appear to be your ruling.
How much do you weigh? :grin:
86 Kg (189.6 lbs) :snicker:
By the way, today's dinner: cooked string beans and chicken sausages.
Ahh, 13.54 stones. That's how I weigh things.
Ah, that's fine. I was myself at 87K until 3-4 months ago. Now I'm either 82 or 83. I cannot actually decide. :grin:
Anyway, don't lean too much forward ... To be on the safe side! :grin:
Ahh, 13,54 piedras. Así es como peso las cosas...
I trolled you because I repeated your words like a jocose child. :razz:
So, you can't decide either, eh? :smile:
I don't gonna lie, it is difficult to me to keep in the same weight during the year. I, sometimes, eat a lot of bread and cakes. :lol:
My story so far:
1972: 4 kg
2016: 117 kg
2018: 87 kg
2021: 107kg
2023: 93 kg
Crucial dates here are my birth and my wedding in 2018. Hoping to get down to my original weight over the next thirty or forty years.
we all have ups and downs related to weight... but who cares? we are not athletes.
Hey! I just made a couplet!
Great story. :up: Moral: everything is energy, mannnnn! :victory: :love: :flower:
I think perhaps It's the marbles and chicken bones.
:snicker:
@Hanover :flower:
Breakfast: two slices of whole bread with virgin oil and tomato (as always) and Turkish coffee.
:smile:
“Down with kitchen slavery! Let there be new household life.” Circa 1930.
Omelette with a lot of cheese.
Did you notice, there was also a definite bell end at the top of the small trunk? Soooooooo Hanoverian! :joke:
Fruity Pebbles cereal and a slab of cold bacon.
Fred Flinstone, why do you mock me?
Humble thyself, lest thy god judge ye harshly, and turn thy small bell end into wood.
REMEMBER, all flesh is grass! :halo:
:up:
I think I never seen those cereals in Mercadona or AhorraMás. (if these supermarkets don't have "fruity pebbles" means that it is impossible to find them in Spain)
You can always order it online. That massive box should satisfy your Fruity Pebbles needs for at least a few weeks.
Don't do it! Go see a shrink about your anorexia!
Deceptively reduced your weight, found a spouse, plumped back up. Well played.
Hey, don't belittle my recent success. 2023: 93 kg.
The average weight of a human skeleton is 9 kg, so I won't be getting down to 4 kg any time in the next few decades. Unless I'm cremated. The average weight of human ashes is around 3 kg :up:
I wish our supermarkets sell big packages like that one, indeed! :up:
The reason the unburned body weighs 5 kg more than the ashes is due to the removal of the weight of the soul upon death.
One way therefore to quickly reduce your weight is to sell your soul away, but I don't recommend that because that typically ends with your having to do something you'd rather not, but just know that option is there if you need to fit into an old suit for some reason.
That's the Sam's Club version, for sure.
This is an option I hadn't considered. Thanks :up:
Is renting an option?
It is, but there are many unscrupulous folks coming to rent souls, and you can't be sure of safe return, or at least in having them returned just as you rented them out. I made a good profit on mine, but I noticed since getting it back, I have a serious problem with dishonesty that I didn't previously have, so I'm thinking there was some tinkering.
Oh well, live and learn.
The first giant bowl of this kandy-koloured kiddie kocaine is always the best. However, one may soon find themselves in a dumpster behind a grocery store, scavenging for more, and fighting off raccoons. Very delicious though, and a part of a complete breakfast! :razz:
I've read that if you spread marbles and chicken bones around your house, it will keep killer rabbits away.
Sam’s Club: “an American chain of membership-only retail warehouse clubs owned and operated by Walmart Inc., founded in 1983 and named after Walmart founder Sam Walton as Sam’s Wholesale Club”
Warehouse club: “a retail store, usually selling a wide variety of merchandise, in which customers may buy large, wholesale quantities of the store's products, which makes these clubs attractive to both bargain hunters and small business owners.”
Ah, I’ve been to those places.
So what you meant was that it was a really big box like you get in a warehouse club retail store.
Whoever said the Shoutbox was hard work wasn’t kidding. But I’m learning.
Breakfast is indeed the most important meal of the day. So, if it complements the diet, I will eat them along with rye bread. Hmm... A while ago that I don't consume cereals, now that we are debating on this aliment. We don't have such special cereals here; most of them are boring and tasteless.
Disagree!
https://www.news-medical.net/health/Is-Breakfast-the-Most-Important-Meal-of-the-Day.aspx
I sometimes skip breakfast, so I’m biased.
Yeah, like Costco.
Pros and cons of being a hard worker at shoutbox.
Also, something else you might not know, if you go there, the cashiers like to be called fucktards. Be sure to do that so they'll treat you better.
Your continued reference to GI index, food, and weight leads me to believe diabetes is on your mind.
Next, I suspect I'll be hearing about treadmills or how you're cleaning up your bicycle.
@Jamal
*more shit to know for those who don’t.
Bodega has a different meaning in NYC. This one requires a lot of hard work.
Damn, you're right. It's just a corner store. Some of them have a deli counter and make sandwiches that range from kinda gross to somehow really tasty.
But we’re talking about different things here. A deli counter in a corner shop is the very definition of exotic sophistication where I’m from.
Are these cornershop sandwiches pre made?
Now look ND, before you judge me remember I’m from the UK, where as young lads and lassies we develop an affection for foods that others in the world might recoil from. That said…yes, the ones in the triangular packages. Like this or worse:
Not like this:
You can find pre-packaged sandwiches like that in grocery stores here. But yes, every time I enjoy a bodega sandwich I like to do so with a checkered table cloth, a cold beer, and surrounded by the raw ingredients I'm now consuming in cooked form.
That’s exactly how I imagined you.
It's both.
They have to be pre-made, otherwise it's just cold food with bread and butter. I used to pre-make sandwiches amongst other services in the hotel I worked in, complete with the little triangular boxes, which came in big cardboard boxes of 2000. Available from your packaging wholesaler, so you can pre-make your own.
But look at trendy Jamal, with his biodegradable sandwiches and granary bread! But I can't see any of the people they claim are in them?
There are different types of ham...
The man handed it to me with his bright pink painted nails, releasing it with a giggle onto my barely satin covered lap, and he then brushed the back of his knuckes against my cheek and fluttered his fingers in my ear canal. Our gazes caught one another and we stayed motionless for what seemed an eternity, our jaws ajar, counting the time from the sound of the train bouncing down the track.
A satin tent formed, and I tried to quell it with the coldness of the sandwich, only to complicate matters from the slippery slidiness of the mayo and gray meat flecks bringing now to the brink. I opened my mouth wider, the sound of a raven caw emitted, startling the elderly woman next to me, resulting in a similar tent formation under her flowery dress.
I thought to myself at this moment, "Hanover, you're a long way from home."
I see now that you interpret “sandwich people,” and probably “ice cream man” and “egg man,” on the model of “gingerbread man.” The difference is that gingerbread men are real men made of gingerbread, whereas the others are not.
:sparkle:
I enjoyed the hint of magical realism introduced with the raven’s caw.
In my day the milkman, the coal man and the bin man were all accorded the dignity of existence, and a tip at Christmas. But now the sandwich man is not a real man. I'm so disappointed
Did you notice that the sandwich man is a soldier in the Salvation Army?
And it looks to me that's not a real sandwich.
Is there a Salvation Marines?
https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?album_id=6912302309&photo_id=505370629571
It’s not authentic unless they forget the mustard. :victory:
Another issue: wolfmen are men, but also wolves, or else they are part wolf, part man. I don't think this can be applied to sandwich people, milkmen, or gingerbread men.
https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/full?photo_id=505370629571
Better yet I’ll print it out and mail it to you.
Jamal
1 Red Square
How can something be "pre-made"? If it hasn't been made, then it isn't. If it has been made, then it is. Some for "pre-pare", "pre-sliced", "pre-chopped", "pre-bendiary", or "pre-sident?
By the way, the technical glitch with Noble Dust's sandwich lies between his ears, Apparently he doesn't know how to capture and post the picture. What he posted is a link to a mug-printing website. Mug as in receptacle for coffee.
This was my favourite bit.
If this morning I was visualizing and crafting the bodega sandwich of my glutinous dreams before I placed my order with the dude and made it so, at what point in time can it be said to have come into existence?
Quoting BC
That's why everything that is must necessarily have been previously made, either by the God of Sandwiches, or some lessor deity. Even your post, poor though it is, has been pre-made either by yourself or the postman. @Jamal is a postman sceptic, but he will be proved wrong at the last post when all deliveries will be returned to Sender.
8 months ago you attacked my ham, egg, and quail’s egg mayo sandwich because you thought I meant the eggs were scrambled. Now, you still can’t get it out of your head.
I'm a haunted man.
Yes...well...hmm...This explains a lot.
Woah, I did that from my phone and assumed you were making a joke, but I just got home and saw it's true (sort of). :yikes: As this is a very high priority matter, I will try to resolve it as soon as possible.
One of my favorite sayings.
That bread looks crunchy, and the products themselves are tasty. It is a fact that we should consider: putting lettuce in a sandwich is mandatory. What would be the opposite?
I think tomato and lettuce are the main ingredients that make substantial sandwiches. The other products are accessory.
Ha, it's not, unfortunately. They do toast it a bit, so there's some crunch, but bodega bread is not great. We eat it anyway, though, and we sort of love it here. The cold cuts and cheese are always reliable, however. Yes, despite being a tomato lover, I find lettuce to be the priority on a sandwich. If given the choice between only lettuce or only tomato (in addition to meat, cheese and condiments) I would choose lettuce (unless tomatoes are in season). I'm not totally sure why. But obviously they're best together, and ideally complimented with something pickled, like banana peppers, as found on that particular sandwich.
A falta de pan, buenas son tortas!
Quoting Noble Dust
Yeah, I would choose lettuce instead of tomatoes if I had to sacrifice one of them. Lettuce has a special taste that is weird to describe or explain, but when you put it on a sandwich, it changes the taste.
Ha! I think of a torta as a sandwich in itself. What does it mean regionally in Spain?
Quoting javi2541997
Yeah, I think you need the vegetal freshness. Tomato provides acidity, but so do things like mustard and pickled vegetables. Good tomatoes also have a meaty quality which enhances the actual meat on the sandwich, but basically, acidity and meatiness are things you can achieve with other ingredients. Lettuce, or any green leaf, brings something different. That said, I think tomatoes are more important on vegetarian sandwiches. Can you tell I think about food too much?
Hehe, a torta is another type of bread. It is thin, harsh, round and mostly made with sugar. Here is a pic of a torta:
Quoting Noble Dust
Yes, so I do as well. Food and recipes are very important. We need to feed us to survive, so it is normal to have a lot of thoughts on food flowing in our minds. Whenever I finish my dinner, I suddenly start to think about the lunch of the following day.
In the US, it's hard to get a good tomato. Even in growing season, most delis still use hard, grey ones. My son's farm sells organic tomatoes to the local Superette, but they still use tennis ball tomatoes on their sandwiches.
Mostly sugar? Is it a dessert item? It looks unleavened.
Quoting javi2541997
At the risk of sounding painfully American, I love the European attitude towards food. I aspire to it. Thankfully, my mom's side of the family (Scandinavian) are also food-obsessed, so I like to think it comes naturally. I do worry that there's a socioeconomic component to foody-ism, but then I remind myself I'm always broke, and then I feel vindicated in a twisted way.
In Mexico, and so in the US, it's a sandwich. I had one once; it was good but it didn't blow me away. I need to reassess.
It is a dessert, yes. But you can take it in the breakfast if you want to! :up:
Regular turkey (meaning plane roasted turkey cold cuts), provolone, lettuce tomato, banana peppers, and mayo, and the classic lack of mustard that I requested. Every damn time. Made "hot", usually meaning they throw the meat and cheese on a flat top grill that they cook all sorts of shit in, so you sometimes get "unique" flavors and colors added to your food. Generally the bun is sent through a rotary toaster to warm it, then the cold ingredients are assembled on top at the end. These sandwiches hit you like crack cocaine, and, true to form, you generally feel like shit by the end of it. Wouldn't have it any other way.
I like the verb "take" in regards to eating. In America I would say "I had tomato toast for breakfast". But saying I "took tomato toast for breakfast" has a romantic ring to it. I plan on adopting the phrase.
:party:
I like that. I also like, but cannot use in the UK without seeming rude, the way of ordering in restaurants and cafés like “gimme a club sandwich”. In the UK we have to say “If you please good sir/madam, gimme a club sandwich.”
I'm not sure what culture that refers to, but I did notice that every time I eat out with my brother, he says "let me get X". My parents, who are good people, I swear, have become senile and just say "Chicken parm" with a weird look on their faces. In NYC, the joke is "lemme get uhhhhhhhhh" and then you say what you want. :brow:
The America of my imagination is clearly an unreliable approximation of the real thing.
:lol:
"Gimme a club sandwich" would be unequivocally understood as rude anywhere in America. The "lemme get" is somehow ok. That's not to say there aren't strange social mores that might seem rude but are understood to be polite here. Particularly in NYC, I can think of a bodega by my work ( where I don't get the sandwiches, because they suck) where I do get canned iced coffee from time to time. The Yemeni owner of the shop is very curt, but I can tell he's a good man; I've shopped there since they opened, and now his greeting has changed from "hey" to "hey brother". Big win.
Pretty sure the sandwich guy at that spot is Dominican, but otherwise yeah. NYC is complicated.
Today's healthy meal.
I made enough vegetables that I didn't need any rice, as I try to avoid that due to its high glycemic index score.
For a guy who pretends to be a backwoods farmer, I'm actually a pretty good cook. You never really know what sort of truth you're getting with me though, as has been pointed out from time to time.
That's a pauper's lunch. A thin soup of boiled onion and pine needles would go well with that.
I'm surprised. Everyone I know who has been to Spain says the food is wonderful.
You've not indicated you know anyone who has been to Spain, so it's possible that your sample size of zero provides you no useful information.
I'm trying to come up with a clever response. No luck so far. I'll get back to you.
It is indeed. My mother cooks such a lunch because she was taught by my grandparents when she was a child, and my grandpas suffered a lot of hunger and scarcity after the Spanish civil war (more if you were part of the losing side).
Here's the one I got: https://blackstoneproducts.com/products/original-36in-griddle-w-hood
I've cooked steaks on it as well, but if you get one with bone-in (like a T-bone), it's hard to get full meat contact with the surface.
In order to meet the Shoutbox standards, I've done much research for this next post, so I hope it is appreciated.
In the US (i.e. the land of the free and home of the brave, see "Star Spangled Banner" by Francis Scott Key), we have what are referred to as habachi restaraunts. Those establishments purport to be purveyors of Japanese food, where the food is cooked on a large open griddle. Be warned however. That is not true habachi. True habachi I am to learn refers to cooking over an open flame of some sort. What we in the US (see reference above to what this means) call habachi is (sit down, cuz this will blow your mind) called teppanyaki.
Here's how that works. A guy takes an egg and he spins it on the griddle and he calls it a Japanese egg roll. Then he flips cooked shrimp from his spatula into your open mouth, but he'll flip a few into his chef's hat too to everyone's delight. Then he takes a bunch of cut onion rings and stacks them on top of eachother and pours something flammable in it and he lights it and calls it a Japanese volcano and it cinges your eyelashes. Everyone again laughs in delight.
It might be, as my research has revealed, that that is not really how Japanese people eat. Most disappointing.
If you do, it will die of loneliness.
Hold on there. I'm still working on my first comeback. So far, I've got "My brain in Spain...." I'm trying to fit "maintain," "quatrain," or "multigrain," in there somewhere.
I was visiting France with my brother. We were in a restaurant and, trying to use my high school French, I said "Je veux un autre bier, s'il vous plait." My brother corrected me and said it should be "Je voudrais un autre bier, s'il vous plait."
I think you mentioned it. It looks nice but I have gone back to basics and now only cook on a Russian mangal with wood.
Second best for me would be a Weber charcoal grill. I used to roast lamb legs in one of those.
To be honest, my real one's not nearly that nice. It's all covered with duct tape and splatters of Velveeta brand cheese food.
That's true! The Euorpean Union's standards of aliments and products is another issue to consider of!
That grill is particularly stupid for a few reasons. First, it has not top, which means that the smoke and heat can't be concentrated on the food. Second, it has no vent underneath the fire, which can affect the heat of the fire, and it it makes it much more difficult to clean. Third, the use of logs will require a longer period of time to burn down the wood into charcoal than if it just used charcoal. Fourth, the size of the wood would make it more difficult to change the height of the fire as opposed to how charcoal would work.
In sum, it's stupid, and no one should use that, lamb legs or otherwise.
So ORDERED this ninth day of March, 2023.
The Honorable Hanover Jebidiah "Oaktree Schlong" Beauregard, III.
Actually I will make one point. The fact that the wood takes a long time to burn down is a bonus. You have time outdoors around a wood fire for a couple of hours before the food goes on. And it imparts great flavour. And wood just feels nicer and more satisfying to work with.
Those are multiple points, not just one. So I'll begin by denying your first point that there is only one point. My next response is to go back to the point you made before your first point, which I shall enumerate point zero, which is that there are many parts of the world where that grille is standard, so it must be good. I point out that murder is known the world over, and so, by the force of your logic, it too must be good.
I now pause for you to recover from this embarassment.
Next, with regard to the "great flavor," that is an important point, and one I had not thought of. I got so keyed up with other issues, I overlooked the question of taste and how that was actually the most significant issue of all.
I admit I have been bested in that regard.
I will now search the internet for a log holder with a tray on top of it and use that for my cooking needs, and I will even pay expedited shipping costs from Bahkikaistan so that it will arrive just in time for my 75th birthday.
I withdraw that last sentence. It was snarky. I guess I could have just deleted it, instead of saying I want to withdraw it, but my delete key was removed from my keyboard as far as anyone is concerned.
I will make one or possibly more points though. When I said “Actually I will make one point” I assumed you’d be able to see that what appear to be separate points are grouped under an encompassing single point that answered your criticism of the use of wood, which was itself one point. I agree it was ambiguous and that I should have said “Actually I will respond to one of your points.”
Two hours! Hey, we're starving here.
BTW, frequent meals cooked over glowing coals or flames raises the risk of gastrointestinal cancer. So, donate to the Electric Frypan Fund for Russian and Caucasian Peasants. Aromatic hydrocarbons will get you.
Besides, the outdoor is over-rated. There are blood-sucking parasites flying around, the air is dense with smoke from all those cook-outs, and sitting on logs is risky when drinking for two hours, waiting for the fire to burn down.
Yes, I certainly felt I gained a deeper appreciation of reality when I spoke my first word, which was “meatballs”. Hitherto I had not grasped the concept of a plurality of things, but Uncle Peter’s diverse array of meatballs allowed me to see the world afresh, a world full, not just of meatballs, but of all kinds of things.
I don’t know if you’re aware, but in British English we call this “talking bollocks”.
There are certain instances of eating that one regrets the moment it is over. It isn't that the food makes one sick. These are not toxic, botulinus infested death dishes. One is just very hungry and suddenly some fragrant fast-food grease scent wafts across one's nose. Before one can stop one's self, a thing has been wolfed down. One might feel better if one hadn't swallowed it whole, but the main thing is that the gut's nervous system registers shock and disgust. "What did we do to deserve this... greasy, salty, oniony, charred thing?" One feels guilt, disgust, and revulsion -- but hunger has abated.
I know the expression. The problem is that I don't really know when I can use it. As a basic concept, I describe "talking bollocks" as speaking or talking with nonsense. But it seems that it has both positive and negative connotations.
I remember that in a English learning book of mine this expression appeared. It was about a political speech and the ending was "he talked dog's bollocks" (or something related...:lol: ) I thought it was referring that the speech of the politician had zero value or was senseless.
That just shows how human it is. It's like the only way to tell a synthetic diamond from a naturally occurring one is that the synthetic one is without flaws, so this is how they further fool you.
Shockingly delicious.
Whew.. Before I read this sentence, I thought @Hanover had gotten ahold of your password again.
I think "...when I spoke my first word, which was “meatballs”..." is a classic Hanoverism. I took a class in textual redaction in college, so I definitely know what I'm talking about.
But at the same time I was referring back to the earlier meatballs, which were entirely my own. What you might say is that like some kind of insidious shapeshifting parasite, I mimic the styles of others while introducing my own content.
Well... ok then.
This style I'm in for the moment, you must admit it's quite British, not at all heretofore like one would expect of Hanover, I must say.
A young lassie named Lassie had the most remarkable chipmunk cheeks and so she won and so she and Uncle Petey wed beneath a peat covered shed atop Ben Lougherighougher (pronounced "lick-spick-spit" for a reason lost to time).
They had three kids, all by different mothers and fathers, and all named Peat. Each would remind one another a meatball is just a meatball, after all.
Quoting T Clark
I take these comments to be equivalent to "Jamal, you are a weirdo."
That's ok, I have faced that accusation since childhood. Back then it bothered me, but now I don't mind.
Probably not. Habla chorradas en Español?
Bollocks means
1. the testicles.
2. used to express contempt, annoyance, or defiance.
Why such an important organ should be used for such negative purposes is a mystery. Given how people view things, "talking rectum" or "talking anus" would make more sense. As in "talking shit".
Bollocks!
I love language, reading and writing. Of all the things I love about language, I love punctuation most. Of all punctuation, I love those that represent pauses the most - commas, semi-colons, dashes, periods, colons. Of all the pauses, I love elipses (...) the most. An elipsis means text left out. After a word or at the end of a phrase, I use it to mean that there is something to come. Something that doesn't seem to want to come easily. A pause to think of the right thing to say. Ironic. Subtle.
So, no, it doesn't mean anything nearly as ordinary as "Jamal, you are a weirdo."
My favourite is the em dash—standard in typography but unfortunately not standard on computer keyboards.
I never knew there were two dashes - "en" and "em," the em twice as long as the en. Boy, talk about subtle differences in usage. You've changed my life!
Yes, he explained to us the meaning of "bollocks!" I remember quite well. The only issue was how to express them in different phrases. When you study English, there comes a moment where the increased level demands knowing and understanding these particular things. We have a big examen of both English grammar and vocabulary. One part is related to slang expressions or "phrasal verbs"
Quoting BC
We use the female organ with same sense! there is a phrase that says: ¡Vaya coñazo! and the "coño" is the female sexual organ... so we can be accused of being sexist, indeed.
Quoting Jamal
Perhaps I will start a discussion about the significance of punctuation in language - perhaps not. Note that I used an en dash instead of an elipsis in that sentence. I like elipsis better.
Yes, we know how it's spelt. That's a pun. "Spelt" is an acceptable alternative to "spelled."
It's all I have on my computer. From now on I'm going to do this: "Perhaps I will start a discussion about the significance of punctuation in language (en dash) perhaps not." I hope that will make things simpler.
Do you mean that the noun/verb "spelt" is ambiguous?
Many writers have thought it was significant. In the last round of short stories here I used em dashes for speech:
(I also very carefully and with stunning effectiveness used ellipsis in that story)
I got the speech dashes from James Joyce, who used them in Ulysses, but several other writers have used it, and not only avant garde writers either. They can be very particular about it. There are all kinds of opinions about why and how different kinds of punctuation are good and bad, at least in creative writing.
What I'm saying is it's fertile ground for discussion.
I see a tension here, even a flat contradiction. It's implicit in the idea of high school level mistakes that they can be overcome with more training, so when applied to non-American baseball this would suggest that more development of the sport would lead to less mistakes. And yet in the previous sentence you deny this is possible.
Godammit it's the shoutbox. But really, my beef is with MLB and this narrative they're pushing to try to make baseball this worldwide phenomenon. They're doing that because American baseball is on the decline; TV viewership and game attendance is down. So this attempt to extend the sport around the world is just really cringy. Some of these players are collegiate level players, and some are has-beens who have played for independent "pro" leagues in the US, in which you get paid practically nothing and definitely have to maintain a day job. Basically, MLB's attempt to be something like the World Cup is just embarrassing. Those are my true, secret feelings, now revealed for all the world to see.
Btw, Japan and I believe Puerto Rico are rated by some analysts as number 1, over the US. Puerto Rico in particular is a hotbed of baseball talent.
Sorry, critique is becoming a habit.
Otherwise, I don't even know what the MLB is and should've known better than to get into a baseball debate.
@T Clark and I will start calling you Adorableno.
Spelt (the grain) has a health-food following in the US. I've made bread with it. Its nutritional profile is not exactly the same as wheat, and if I remember, it has little gluten in it. I don't avoid gluten; I'm a glutton for gluten.
So Yes, TC was making a pun on spelling and grain. I would give the pun a B+, at least.
And Czechia wins. They were favored, but on the other hand, this is their fist appearance in the World Baseball Classic. But this is only the 5th World Baseball Classic. Again, cringe-worthy overall.
But if I moved to America I would think about following baseball in preference to the other sports. It has a certain aura about it that I like, some kind of down-to-earth coolness.
*Sigh*
Quoting Jamal
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll pretend I didn't say that and pat you violently on the back while chugging a bud light. Welcome to 'Murica.
Interesting. I learn something new everyday in this forum. When I wanted to type what I took for breakfast, I didn't know how does "espelta" in English, so I search the word. When I read "spelt" I felt that something was going wrong (Google can cheats on us sometimes...) and ended up being a wordplay. As I said, language is one of the most beautiful acts of humans and we should protect it.
Quoting BC
Here too! The bread is recommended by most of the vegan and healthy food shops. But I am feeling a dilemma now: spelt or rye bread? :chin:
Ah, the age of enlightenment; your favorite.
Hay un montón de mierda para saber en el shoutbox.
Quoting javi2541997
The answer is always rye.
:up:
Quoting Noble Dust
Good try, but a few mistakes that aren't your fault but from Google which uses Spanish from Mexico...
"Mierda" (shit) is only used when we refer to stool/sediments (as the proper/literally meaning of the word of English). When it is said "we learn a lot of shit in the shoutbox" it is translated into Spanish as: Se aprende muchas cosas en shoutbox., Omitting the word mierda, because it has no sense in Spanish. We translate and interpret "some shit/a lot of shit" in terms of quantity. (I guess...)
On the other hand, and this one of the main mistakes from latinos... The abusive use of determinants. We don't use "él" or "la" to everything but they do. We just say shoutbox, no "el shoutbox" and it is grammatically ugly. I remember a Mexican folk in my university saying "la xbox", "el Perú", "la España" etc... Like dude, don't use possessive determinant ALWAYS.
But when we want to teach them, they call us "colonizers" :smile:
The juvenile part of my brain is trying to figure out what the proper Spanish word for "shit" is here.
Quoting javi2541997
:zip:
Quoting javi2541997
But this is just prejudice. It's similar to the middlebrow British habit of "correcting" American spelling and grammar. The fact is that you cannot stop language from changing in different places, and the geographic and cultural origin of a language has no special claim to be its most distinguished inheritor.
Too serious?
I think there isn't! :eyes: We just interpret in a way that we can understand what you want to mean.
Quoting Jamal
I consider language a serious matter. That is why I try to use proper English on this site and try to learn something new every day. I am aware that my English is not perfect, but I rather use the words and think as an Anglo-Saxon, than use your language as "I want to" because it would be easier for me...
Many Spanish students decide to switch to Spanish Latino. They think it is easier to pass the exam because the grammar is softer. Jamal, I think this is dangerous for a language... Don't you think we should respect a basic sense towards grammar and lexicon?
I’ll make one point. Spanish in Spain has changed since Cervantes, just as British English has changed since Shakespeare. This historical change within a country is not intrinsically superior to the changes that come about through geographical separation.
I want to make another point and I promise I leave this topic. As much as language has changed (as you pointed out), there still be standards, even everywhere. Here, in this site, we have to respect standards to keep quality in the posts, or someone can get banned otherwise. The mods do not feel "superior", they just want to preserve the standards and it is admired the effort accomplished by them.
That's is what I wanted to refer to language. I don't feel superior to an Andaluz or Mexican, but hey the standards and all.
Fin de la cita, ahora toca comerse un bocatea de jamón :razz:
Yes, we have standards, and they should be upheld. But (1) different standards apply in different contexts (which include different places), and (2) standards change under the pressure of organic linguistic change. It’s similar to laws: we should uphold the law, but also accept that the law can change. This is what happens in reality, with the law and with language. It’s not set in stone.
Standards are good partly because they allow for change.
At risk of offending you, it would be very easy to demonstrate where your English doesn't quite match a native speaker's English. Your English is very good, but there are issues. For instance,
Quoting javi2541997
You should say "I want to make another point, and then (or after that) I promise I will be done with this topic.
Or here,
Quoting javi2541997
You should say, "As much as language has changed (as you pointed out), there are still standards".
Or here:
Quoting javi2541997
Which should be: "Here, on this site, we have to respect standards to keep quality."
Those are approximations of your phrases. I like you, and don't mean this as disparaging, but I agree with @Jamal that you're prejudiced here. I hope my demonstration of your good but slightly off English demonstrates your prejudice towards Latinos.
Ok.
Quoting Noble Dust
This is very American. I would more simply say “I promise to leave this topic,” or “I promise I’ll leave this topic”.
If they are using grammar specifically with the intent to express their hate (dubious, but you asked we trust this assertion by you), it's not that their language is syntactically wrong or ugly, it's that their sentiment is negative and you disagree with them semantically. That is, you are disagreeing with what they said, not how they said it.
If you just think they speak ugly, even when they mean you no harm, then that's a different matter, and it feels like what you really mean to say.
Works for me.
Good argument and I am agree. But the changes should go forward to a better understanding, not back-peddling. Sometimes, a change can be negative or not having enough substance to do so.
What I want to mean: Constructive changes and respect the solid bases of standards.
It was the Celts who gave us all these "do" words, especially prevalent in Appalachia. Things like "I've done told you, " and even "I'm done done with it" and "I done did it."
You done did this to us, and now you want to "leave this topic"?
You can't get all up in our business and then just leave out? Why you wanna do us like that?
Quoting Noble Dust
This should be “That works for me,” or “This works for me”.
Nope. Completely acceptable in American English to forgo the "This".
Quoting Noble Dust
Sorry, on and in are one of my main struggles in English grammar. It confuses me because we only have one word: "en..." So, it is difficult to me to properly distinguish the correct use in the phrases. I must to pick up a English grammar book again.
Quoting Noble Dust
I don't understand what you mean with this.
By the way, if you’re open to corrections, I have one tip that will help you a lot in debate here. “I am agree” is very wrong. Just say “I agree,” or if you want to sound formal, “I am in agreement,” but I don’t recommend the latter. Otherwise :up:
You win this round.
:up: Another lesson learned today!
I think you've missed the whole point of my correction of your grammar. It was probably lost in translation.
I was correcting your English grammar to show that you're a great English speaker, but far from correct. I wanted to show this in relation to your criticisms of "Latino" Spanish. They, like you, are adopting a (somewhat) new language. So, their grammar is not precise or poetic, as you mentioned. At the risk of offending you, I would suggest that your English grammar is a bit bad, by comparison. So can't you see yourself now in my assessment of people that speak a language badly?
But they use our language syntactically wrong... If you were interested in Spanish language, you would notice it.
And you use English syntactically wrong. :joke:
But it is not my mother tongue...
I don't mean you should shut up in any way; that sounds rather harsh. And I was not trying to highlight a lack of grammatical ability in you, because I do think you have a strong grasp of English. I used your English mistakes to highlight how you don't understand English fully, which ironically mirrors your criticisms of Latino Spanish.
I get it, but you're saying they do it intentionally, which makes it a semantical distinction. It would be like if I mocked someone by speaking like them. My incorrect form is not incorrect form at all. I'm making an intentional variation to express a specific thought.
I'm just questioning whether a subculture is actually doing as you say, modifying their speech to a grating form just for the benefit of pissing you off. It'd be like me suggesting that black English is as it is because blacks enjoy annoying those stuck on speaking other forms. My thought is it really isn't about my me. It's just about how people are comfortable speaking with another.
Much change to language is owed to the fact that non-native adults start speaking it. Their corruptions due to their own language forms creeping in and their inability to learn the new language correctly(as children do) change the language permanently.
That is, you are changing English in your own small way right now. That you see the same happening to Spanish speaks to its success in being a more international language.
I mean, embeds will probably slow down the page load anywhere, but I’m wondering if it’s noticeable. It really annoys me.
I did enjoy the bee stuff though.
No, fine here. Never been a problem.
By the way, Russian for Russian is Russki, so I’m not being derogatory.
Quoting javi2541997
There's no correct use of any language minus context. "Standard" Spanish is just the dominant dialect of Spanish; posing it as a yardstick against which other dialects should be normatively or aesthetically judged is misguided and prejudicial. There is nothing more objectively beautiful about the way you speak compared to how someone with another dialect speaks. You can only apply these kind of standards within dialects not across them. So, the accusation of colonial thinking may be on the mark here.
They may be intercepting YouTube vids through some kind of censorship funnel. Just a guess, but makes sense to me.
Quoting Jamal
Never really thought it was. Makes me think though. The Irish for "the English" is "Sasanaigh" and despite just being a literal translation usually signals a derogatory if used in an English sentence.
Yep, that's in use in Scotland too so I suppose it's Gaelic. As in Ireland it’s always derogatory in English, and often it’s used to refer to any lowlander, i.e., the Scots who are not part of the Gaelic culture of the Highlands and the West.
:up: I wonder how close Scottish Gaelic and Irish are to each other. Never really looked into it.
I read @Jamal's apology to Russians for saying Russki as a clarification to the Russians listening in to his posts, as he's already noticed happening by the upload lags.
Well, @Noble Dust scolded me for exactly that reason.
In any case, I regret what I said, and bla bla bla... But please leave me alone, I promise that I will not take part in the shoutbox again. But I think it is time to end this discussion and these attacks.
You’re on the Shoutbox team so you’re not allowed to leave.
Was it an attack? My background is in linguistics so that's why I chimed in. Your attitude is nothing unusual.
Those pages aren't slow for me. I can try to embed a video from somewhere else and see if it's just YouTube.
To decide what to do
But I fumbled the damn thing
And it bounced under the couch
I swung at it with a broom
but that knocked it out the window
and I ran after it
as it rolled down the street
When it fell into the sewer
I raged at the sky
I lost a quarter!
of a United States dollar!
there is no God.
Having recently worked on speeding up some websites I know that embedded YouTube videos significantly increase load time because of all the added JavaScript. There are some handy workarounds though.
You can check on my wifi. It'll come up as BigDogFred and the password is FredHead. If the reception is spotty, hold your phone out the window southwestward and that should make it pop up.
@Jamal
"Spelt" has two meanings, the one you meant and also an alternative to "spelled." My comment was a joke, a pun, a play on words.
Perhaps I would if I knew what it meant.
That's much better than I would give, especially since it was aimed at an innocent non-English-speaking bystander.
As I've said before, it's the most philosophical of American sports. I love it as long as I don't have to watch it.
I agree. I think a lot of us here do.
Your English has improved a lot since you started here. You also seem to be more comfortable expressing yourself in it.
Quoting Noble Dust
All this is interesting (en dash) but clarity is what's most important. As long as that's accomplished, I like language that's as playful as possible. "Works for me" means something slightly, and slightly importantly, different from "That works for me."
Thanks friend.
Go with what you like.
Whole grains are more alike than they are different and are more nutritious than refined grains, whether it is wheat, spelt, rye, oat, barley, rice, or corn.
So, why do we use refined grains? We can make bread using only whole grain, water, salt, and yeast. What we then get is a very heavy, dense, loaf. Adding milled flour to bread which has a higher proportion of gluten than whole wheat produces a loaf that is lighter and holds together when sliced. Is that important? Culturally, it matters.
Whether you eat a cookie made out of spelt or oats would matter more IF your diet consisted mostly of whole grains. Humans generally eat a wide variety of foods, including fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes (including soy milk), dairy, fish, and meat (if you are not a vegan). From that assortment of foods, the necessary nutrition is derived.
So, that's basic knowledge. You know that already. But there are people sitting around the dining table yammering on about eating only organic food, whole food, fresh food (nothing canned or frozen), vegan food, Paleolithic food, and so on. Spelt only seems superior to some because it's less common.
Quoting javi2541997
Personally, I feel like I should avoid using "shit" and "fuck" just because they are so heavily over-used. If we need to discuss digestive waste, "feces" is available.
Should one ever use "shit" and "fuck"? "Fuck!!!!" is appropriate if one has just flushed one's wallet down the the toilet. It's not appropriate if one can't find his favorite pencil. "Shit" is appropriate when describing Donald Trump , or alternately "diarrhea", "sewage", "effluent", or the more literary "yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye"***. Some people think they are so great that the expression "hot shit" is appropriate.
****John Lennon, "I Am The Walrus, Goo goo g'joob
Jamal + Adorno = Adorableno
Dinner: Lebanese restaurant. Many small dishes, everything excellent. Belly full of hummus.
I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just putting in a good word for nuance and playfulness.
Gotcha. By which I mean "I understand what you're saying."
They probably built a balloon just for him. I suggest your next little story be about Jamal and his balloon. I'm sure you can work some disgusting sexual angle in there :up:
I've been reading Tara Zahra's Against the World: Anti-Globalism and Mass Politics Between the World Wars 2023. It shows that history doesn't repeat itself; more like history just takes a long time to unfold.
When I was younger (college student into my 60s) I didn't pay too much attention to footnotes. Now I am finding then very helpful. Particularly because Amazon and Google enable one to obtain the referenced books if one wants them, and to find out more about books and authors long out of print. The footnotes also show that there is a lot of publishing going on about globalization and de-globalization in the interwar period in central and Eastern Europe.
After both WWI and WWII there was a lot of population movement.
One of the books about Eastern Europe I found through footnotes that is particularly interesting is In the Midst of Civilized Europe: The Pogroms of 1918–1921 and the Onset of the Holocaust by Paul Veidlinger (published 2021).
This was between 1919 and 1921!
"UKRAINIAN JEWS AIM TO STOP POGTOMS
Mass Meeting Hears That 6,000,000 Are In Peril" - New York Times headline, September 8, 1919
Ya znayu. :eyes:
As @Jamal mentioned, you work here now; you're certainly not fired, and we can't have you quit. The workload for the rest of us would be too great; I can't eat tomato toast every morning, as much as I love it.
:groan:
The shoutbox will be impoverished without your regular participation. If people are attacking you, tell them to go fuck themselves. (figuring out how to do that will keep them busy for a while.)
REACH OUT AND SLAP SOMEONE
A lot of folks here had good impact on my life and I sometimes recall posts from long ago and still ruminate on them.
Here’s a few from my layman recollection
Banno- Words don’t have meaning. People do. Similar to the way a hammer is a tool to do the hammering. A person does the hammering.
180 Proof- Life involves a kind of giving and taking; a kind of taking on debt and paying it off. To pay it off (give) is to pay homage to those that came before.
Wayfarer- A poem called “Whatever it is” I believe you attributed it to Fernando Pessoa but I have never have been able to find it online (I did save the piece when you posted it).
I’ll be lurking around!
Edit: I should state these are what I pulled from the conversations and not necessarily reflective of what the referenced individuals wrote.
Thanks. Yes, I used to fiddle obsessively with that stuff myself, but here on TPF it seems it’s only me who has the problem, likely because I’m in a place where the authorities have reportedly been deliberately making YouTube run slower so that people switch to Rutube—they’d like to block YouTube completely but fear the public backlash.
On top of that, I can’t change the code anyway because it’s a hosted service.
I would have inserted a colon or em dash there.
Personal view: harping on about atheism is as bad as harping on about antinatalism, so I’m inclined to agree.
Admin view: thank you for your comments—is there anything else I can help you with today?
How do you get the em dash on your computer. I only have one key for hyphen/dash. On the other hand, if you tell me, I might actually have to figure out how to use them. Also, I wouldn't be able to use "(en dash)" anymore.
I’m currently using an iPad, on which a double hyphen will be turned into an em dash automatically. Or I can press and hold the hyphen key to choose between en and em dashes.
I’ve been using mainly Linux computers and Android phones for years, but the respect for traditional typography on this iPad I like (“curly quotes” by default too).
You can get em and en dashes on a desktop computer using certain key combinations. You may Google to find out what might work for you. As I said before, it doesn’t work for me on Linux, where I just use the standard stand-in of a double hyphen.
So, I can put in extra effort both to figure out how to use the different kinds of dashes and how to make them work on my computer, or I can say "screw it" and keep on doing it the way I do it now. Let me think about it...
Anyway, thanks.
I will tell you the story you ask for. Gather around...
It was a most lovely day for going up in our balloon. We arrived in the park to see the sky dotted with colorful balloons and families eating their picnics. Our balloon was being set up, the flame being tested.
A lady, like manna, fell from the sky. "Mother, is the bus here?" she cried out as her head bounced along the ground, her ponytail bobbing about like a well trained prostitute. I stamped at her mouth gibberish with my shoe.
We packed almonds, grapes, and cotton candy and boarded our balloon, hoisting the lady aboard. "Do you have my bookbag?" she inquired.
We ascended, unloading her onto the antlike figures below. . They scattered about as her shadow approached, with a cloud of dust arising as she nailed our target.
I chomped an almond while another couple gathered her up for another drop.
A beautiful metaphor. But...
Quoting Hanover
Now we're good. :up:
Quoting Hanover
:up:
Kibbeh yes? I haven’t had that in forever.
Packed lunch today is a classic dagwood: Asiago, cracked pepper turkey, lettuce, tomato, red onion, banana peppers, salt/pepper/oregano on whole wheat. No rye this week.
@javi2541997 I wanna apologize as I think I went overboard in pointing out what I viewed as prejudice. Hope to hear about the next iteration of your tomato toast soon.
That’s it. I couldn’t remember the name, and it was my first Lebanese restaurant so I hadn’t seen or eaten a lot of the food.
Can you explain who that is Trump is slapping? And the statue of liberty? And can you explain why they never set a real fire in that thing she's holding? And is the statue of liberty trans? She looks like a guy. Thanks ahead of time.
I don't know who StatOLib is slapping. Fire in the torch? StatOLib has been holding that thing up since 1886; can you imagine the gas bill for 137 years of eternal flame? New York can't afford to fix its subways, let alone paying for symbolic fires. StatOLib is not trans. (she, her) is a French peasant; they all look like that. Because they've been walking behind the horses plowing the fields, shoveling shit out of the barn, force feeding the geese, wallowing in vats of grapes in the Champaign district.
Tucker Carlson?
Yes.
:gasp: They're all over the place in NY, and definitely exist in other areas of the US. @BC that must be a pretty authentic Lebanese spot. I haven't seen the raw version on menus here.
Wow. That's hardcore.
A great time to philosophise then
IHOP has pancakes
You can buy frozen meat pies. I have heard you can get frozen pancakes, too, so no need to risk going to IHOP, per @Frank.
BTW, that adage about sharp knives being safer than dull knives does not apply to amateur cooks.
The story behind it is that I was chopping rosemary, but something went wrong. I'm not sure what...
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
I can't put my finger on it.
And the drumroll.
I haven't slowed a bit.
You can barely see where they bandaged it:
The other hand was injured as well where I punched the wall, which did offer some temporary relief, so I'm glad I did it.
The finger can still hurt even if it's gone.
What's going on?
Goes nicely with the golden wheat walls.
...and two working thumbs too. :smile: :up: :up:
Turns out the raw version was available and I missed it. Next time.
Now I get it!
Hope your fingers feels better. Keep the big bandage to put on your middle finger, when driving to use in communication with other drivers. :snicker:
A couple of years ago I bought a very sharp potato peeler. On its first use, I was peeling a small potato and my thumb got in the way; it sliced off about 1/3 of my thumb nail - vertically. The doctor at urgent care had to cut the nail off.
I've since been more aware of the potato peeler's hostility to humans and their famously opposing thumbs.
Plus, is there a hole in the wall?
You have tiny hands, man. :chin:
My guess is he’ll be sending those x-large cut resistant gloves back to Amazon for smaller ones.
:snicker:
All very good questions, so let me fill you in.
I cut the tip, which included some nail and skin. I instinctively applied pressure with the same hand and beat the fuck out of the wall, being sure to hit the tile back splash to avoid needing to take a trip to Home Depot. Having to patch holes after a mishap is something I have grown tired of repeating.
It's like when I threw my weed wacker in the creek. I felt so helpless as it spun through the air.
But I digress.
The bleeding was limited because of the pressure I applied. When they removed the bandage at the ER to look at it, it hurt like a mother fucker. In fact, that's I how I reported the pain. Then it started bleeding. Then I told them to recline the chair because I was going to pass out. Then the heart monitor starting chirping. Then I got an IV. Then I was OK.
They told me to change the bandage 3 times a day, but I'm not touching it. That's for the doctor to do tomorrow. I don't do DIY medical care.
The meat pies are cooking as we speak.
My wife doesn't complain.
Described on the website as “Adjustable Stainless Steel Finger Hand Guard Finger Protector Knife Slice Chop Safe Cooking Tools.”
I’ve been chopping with big sharp knives for decades and I haven’t had any serious cuts. Was the knife, though sharp enough to slice fingers, not quite sharp enough to ensure an effortless action, and thereby dangerous? Did Hanover forget to curl his fingers to protect the tips? Was he distracted by a rowdy goat? What the hell happened?
I’m touching wood right now.
“Touching wood” is British for “knocking on wood,” the common apotropaic magic spell which ensures protection from harm.
Next time I will not be bested. May God be my witness. I shall not again fail!
Best meat pie ever though. The crust was baked buttery goodness, the filling a thick stew.
The filling looks like curry. Maybe the addition of tomato paste produced the orange colour.
Any unusual cuts of meat this time around?
Yes, it did call for tomato paste. No curry though, that British Indian staple.
Quoting Jamal
We call them pot pies. There are also pizza pies, but "pie" by itself would mean a dessert usually.
Quoting Noble Dust
Other than fingertips, just beef. It called for lamb, but the lamb selection around here is always limited.
In addition to a pie crust made of flour, lard or vegetable shortening, salt, and water, fill with cubed steak, rutabaga, carrot, potato, and onion, salt, pepper. Add a dusting of flour to the mix. fill 1/2 circle of dough with the filling, fold over and seal. Repeat. Bake. A pastie can serve 1 or 2.
Do avoid adding tomato paste, fresh tomatoes, parsley, sage, rosemary, thyme, curry, and anything else contra Cornish.
In Scotland we have our own pasty, called a bridie.
Whether a pasty is a pie is undecidable.
I figured, or rather fingered, or digited. @Jamal I'm thinking this may explain the vaguely orange color.
Hanover shouldn't be cooking while bleeding or growing a finger.
Learn from the tenured shoutbox folk; when you see a gross picture posted by @Hanover you immediately skim and learn how to jump from post to post, all the while avoiding the gross shit, while taking in just enough to add a knowingly dumb comment at just the right time. There's a lot of shit to know in the shoutbox.
To be clear, that was all a joke. That's not to say I didn't skip all of the posts about @Hanover's finger because I had a finger injury myself a few months ago and I'm a baby.
:sweat: Sorry to hear that. I hope your finger is okay now.
Thank you; the scar tissue is all but imperceptible.
Fingers are the most durable and the most hardworking of all our body parts, I think. (Okay, the heart is the king) They can regenerate when cut up to a certain point. How impressive is that?
Where is the point we can cut up to?
Nobel-winning Japanese novelist Kenzaburo Oe dies at 88
Do you have holes in your walls? I've always been more prone to breaking things, like throwing a dish on the ground to express my explosive rage. Like Hanover, I eventually discovered that I'm just going to have to clean it up, so don't throw things that explode.
So, Forfar bridie:
Or Kilie Pie:
That's really just a steak pie rather than a distinct species of pie.
I wont, repeat your last post to the Mad Killie Crew, just in case you ever want to visit Kilmarnock in the future:
:up: Yep, I miss the happy sing-alongs, in-between beers and Killie Pies, and debating the main philosophical issues of the day. I giggle, when I think about 'Boom Boom McCafferty,' bottom far right, just arguing constantly about how the Hanoverians destroy everything. I am not sure he was ever quite right in the head:
Translation: "I've decided to write without using my left pointer finger because it's bandaged." The missing letters were the missing digit's responsibility. Please excuse him, he's on disability.
I can actually hear it from England.
That's probably a party in Iceland.
About time
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-says-banking-system-is-safe-following-silicon-valley-bank-collapse-bbed317c?mod=mhp
Can you really regulate greed without causing economic stagnation…perhaps another recession is in order.
That's kind of what they're trying to do. On my end, there's a glaring labor shortage, so I don't know how they're supposed to increase unemployment.
We could replace people with robots, starting with the Governor of Florida.
I was just reading about him and I thought of you. I didn't know if he was one of your favored Japanese writers.
Don’t stop there, replace all civil servants with robots.
No gold plated pensions and let the civil servants actually be useful for once and start picking litter.
:rofl:
:up:
I just noticed that the system uses them for quotes. It puts one in before the user name, as you can see in this post. This is not useful or interesting information.
I moved this over to the Shoutbox because I didn't want to clutter up the other thread. When I wrote "Mull" I meant the island, where my brother-in-law used to live. I don't know what or whom you were referring to.
—Agreed— There's a reasonably good chance I'll get tired of this punctuation mark soon and go back to my old habits. I certainly won't give up my ellipsis... or will I?
Yeah, I know you were talking about the Isle of Mull. An island NOT known for it's tasty pies!
I offer to share a Kille pie or a Forfar Bridie with you and your response was Mull?????
People who come to the Isle of Mull also don’t forget the delicious and lovely cuisine they offer. The place is famous for fresh local seafood, island malts, fine wines, and local cheese. What makes the food here so refreshing is because of its farming under very natural circumstances that don’t involve the use of chemicals and pesticides, so you’ll enjoy the real taste of nature in those meals. Isle Mull has many quality restaurants offering palatable dishes, including Bellachroy Inn, with its incredible menu and genuine hospitality. There is also Ninth Wave Restaurant serving fresh-caught seafood, Craignure Inn with their highland beef and Hebridean lamb, and Macgregor’s Roadhouse Cafe & Restaurant.
Speaking of Scotland, did you ever see "Local Hero," a movie with Burt Lancaster taking place in a seaside village in west Scotland? Bill Forsyth makes movies I enjoy.
The correct name is Aberdeen angus ya tumshie! :joke:
Nabdie ken's whare ra meat in a killie cumes fae! Brownings Bakery statement:
...a secret blend of gravy seasonings along with the finest cuts of meat
Yeah , 'local hero' is still liked by many in Scotland, but not me.
I do like some of his films, such as 'that sinking feeling,' and 'comfort and joy.'
But not 'local hero,' or 'Gregory's girl.'
I shall have to export some Cows. Perhaps relocate them to Glasgow …rename it Refined Angus …Locally Sourced.
How pissed off would the Aberdonians be?
Riot pissed off ? :lol:
Nonsense! The majority of highland beef is exceptional!
Quoting invicta
The cows already in Glesga won't like that!
Quoting invicta
I don't think that would be the case at all, I just think you might find your person being added to the more exotic tastes, available in some of the 'scotch pie' flavours(I think they are secretly called 'sweeny todds') produced in Glesga.
BTW it's Aberdonians!
Should be whose, not who's. It's the Shoutbox, where we are free to be annoying and to correct others, and to do both.
That's fine, as long as you don't try to prevent us from being annoying in other threads. That—as they say—is in my wheelhouse—or is it my portfolio? My area of expertise. My claim to fame. My specialty. My je ne sais quoi. My sine qua non. My nom de plume. My reason for living. My purpose in life. My Kilmarnock meat pie. My cul-de-sac. My deus ex machina. My Zeitgeist.
Yes…well.
I am Scottish so I don't always spoke proper England, and I am glad about that.
that would be raison d'etre.
You cannot imagine how happy I feel when you read something related to Japanese stuff and you associate it with me.
Good impulse control! Broken windows are a pain to fix.
Brings tears to my eyes.
Left that one out... dammit!
Quoting BC
Living up to your full name BC.
Full of passionate intensity, I have been tempted to smash windows, but I’ve never gone through with it. My brother once pushed me through a window, thereby breaking it, but that was just mischievousness. Luckily it was the ground floor (which I believe you call the first floor).
In my anger career I have damaged a few doors and broken a few priceless Ming vases (from IKEA) but usually I break my own cherished stuff, thus revealing the strength of my self-destructive death drive when Eros has been frustrated.
The hand doctor yanked the dried up bandage off my finger and explained it would have hurt just as much if we spent an hour doing it.
Anyway, you'll be relieved to know I'm going to be fine. It should fully heal, and I'll be back on the mound with my sinking curving dancing spitball in no time.
The hand doctor explained that method of chopping as well. The "here's what I would have done" falls into that same never well received advice catagory as "I told you so."
Or –option –dash for a more discrete en–
It's almost what you might have expected...
Regeneration of body parts (like a finger or an organ) might be possible, IF we could find the biological signal machinery that could initiate regeneration. So, maybe one could regrow missing teeth, kidney, lung...
I'm shocked to find that someone other than @Jamal and I have the slightest interest in this. It's nice to know we're not just isolated pitiful pedants making distinctions where none is needed. Or at least we're not the only ones.
A punctuation ramble ?
Sometimes I use «guillemets», otherwise known as chevrons. When there’s a quote within a quote, they make it easier to read. They’re standardly used as quotation marks in many languages, but hardly every used in English.
I like the section symbol, so I can refer to, e.g., §43 of Wittgenstein’s PI.
It’s not unusual but I still love the ampersand & in serif fonts it can be particularly beautiful.
What the hell?
That there is called an interrobang, combining the question mark and exclamation mark. I can see the need for it but it’ll take some getting used to.
This one I’m not sure about?
That’s a percontation point, for irony or rhetorical questions, so I misused it.
This should appeal to you. I just noticed that the iPad has an individual key for … the ellipsis character. Typing three periods can be considered bad typography.
Do you REALLY know how to use the ellipsis?
I'll stick with three periods. My interest in punctuation is embarrassing enough without sinking into the morass of typography. I know what san serif means. That's enough.
I liked the webpage you linked. I was gratified to find I've been using the ellipsis correctly.
I’m crestfallen. I thought we’d made a connection. Turns out you’re like all the others, reeling me in and then tossing me aside.
It's more what I intend to do than what I actually do. My thumb tends to get left behind as my fingers retreat, with results not unlike your recent adventure.
Not at all surprising, given its irrelevance, but my brother and I had a similar discussion about obscure punctuation recently, which has resulted in interrobangs following every text, quickly replacing the period as the most common punctuation mark.
I've been sticking my finger into the lamp socket daily to repair my finger. The results have been mixed.
My brother figured that out, and it's in his every text, but I haven't asked how he figured that out. That sort of question would be too substantive for our conversations.
Thought I'd share that little slice of the Hanover day.
Alright, I'll take your word you're in good faith here, so here goes, me making a joke funnier by explaining it.
She's doing her job, likely something she'd prefer not to do, having to get on the floor to put things away. Instead of thanking her or helping her, I chastise her like she's a child choosing to play on the floor. She then makes a sarcastic remark that I'm a wonderful person, and how lucky my wife is in being married to me and getting to receive such treatment daily.
It was sort of a disrepectful, yet playful sarcasm.
Now that you understand it, I will pause for you to regain your composure.
To be honest I thought it must have been a blow job joke.
With my bum finger, 1 out of 10 or 11.
Yeah, right, that's exactly what I do. I joke with my employees about orally pleasuring me. And then they just laugh it off and think, that Hanover is a great guy, just has a weakness for the BJ and can't stop talking about it when he sees my sweet little self down on my knees.
You definitely need to re-read the HR manual. It has a whole section on such things. I named it the sextion section. Just now. That's when I named it that. I think an HR manual with sexually related puns is the way to go.
I watched a documentary last night about a man whose neck cannot support his head, and his head lies fully on his upper back. I tried to find a picture online, but I couldn't. He has other problems as well but imagine, your head flopped completely over on to your back and you saw everything upside down and you could hardly walk either, due to limb deformities as well. I was so humbled by this man's 'zest' for life and how he went about living it, despite such incredible difficulty.
He was offered a medical process/attempt to try to correct his head position, but it was very risky and the chance of success and him surviving the procedure was not high enough for him to want to risk it.
He was soooooooo positive about his existence that he just, in my opinion, exemplified how to live.
What a legacy this man will leave. Antinatalism is .................... I can remain polite, and leave it to your imagination as to what I would put in the bank space, If I were to type the words I truly think about antinatalism and antinatalists.
@DA671
This gives me a chance to over-analyze by metaphor, so thank you for that.
If a bear attacks another bear, it's a fair fight as there is no weight disparity, much like if an employee jokes with another employee, but not when an employer jokes with an employee. That would be an unfair fight. When I was a rank and file employee, it was easier to joke around because they could tell me to fuck off, but now they have to laugh, so I have to be aware of that.
That's why I thought it was funny that my paralegal had no reservations joking with me because she could have just laughed and then rolled her eyes when I looked away.
Anyway, I've overthought this enough maybe. Just maybe.
At TPF, there is no such thing as overthinking.
Sounds like you run your shop like a little Stalin, forcing your underlings to laugh at your jokes.
Sort of. I mean they are required to laugh, but they laugh anyway because I happen to be crazy funny. But you are right, if I weren't funny, they'd have to laugh anyway or they get sent to a gulag. Literally. They are airdropped in Siberia. I have no idea what happens to them after that. It makes their families sad, but I don't give a shit.
I was rethinking my response. Typeface does matter to me, but only to the extent that it is easy to read and interpret. I tend to pick pretty standard types—Ariel, Calibri, Times Roman. I hate curly-ques and gothic touches. What is the forum typeface? Anyway, I'd be interested to hear why it makes any difference beyond the one I identify.
So...don't keep us in suspense.
I think I was just saying that typography is interesting, not that you should care about which typeface to use.
The choice of typeface is significant. It's mainly about context. Serif fonts are usually better for reading blocks of text, for example, and that's why most books use them.
The font family for most of the text on this site is:
Your browser will render the text in the first font available in that list. In your case that'll probably be Arial, because you're on Windows. Apple users will get Helvetica Neue.
I'd rather fight a bear, even though, as Hanover points out, I'd be less likely to prevail.
Nicely put. The Philosophy Forum, and philosophy in general—Overthinking everything since 1,500 BCE®.
I don't know about that. There's a good chance the bear will go away if you just give him your pick-a-nick basket.
I'll admit I'll probably have a sore back in the morning from where Jamal's brother body slammed me into the rocks like he does, but I'd ultimately prevail.
Could be wrong, but that's how I see it going down. Not bad for a 56 year old, even with the sore back.
But can you play the piano afterwards?
If you don’t hear from me in the near future, it’s because I’m heading to the west coast, trying to get the best tan on the way. Driving with the top down will be cold, but it’s for a good cause.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64957792
Tough luck Russia …although them Russian jets are cheaper than the American drone. Don’t say if pilot ejected…
Collided ? Crashed ?
Usual standard of BBC journalism there
I'm glad to hear these brotherly conversations don't fade with age.
I look forward to increasingly meaningless chats with my own brother. :up:
I'll share with you the last text I just got from my brother:
"Sometimes when I chew food, part of it gets ready to swallow so I do but the other part isn't ready but I have more room for more food so I put more in and finish chewing that already chewed food until I can swallow it and then the new food moves down for the next food. That sounds right? Thoughts?"
My response:
"I got nothing."
His response:
"I see where [my son] gets it."
What did people do before The Shoutbox and text? The days must've been really long.
Has the shoutbox devolved from a job to a cult?
But for the grammatical errors I would have said that text was from you and not your brother. Is your brother basically you but with weaker literary skills?
Yes, he's basically a stupider version of me.
Quoting Jamal
My older brother and I are much closer than we were when we were younger.
Yes, defenestration is one of the best ways to try to harm someone. It's fun to say out loud. A technical sounding word for a simple process. The Russians seem to be using it a lot lately.
I don't think it's woo, but I'm probably overly sensitive to worrying that things I say sound woo.
— – - . … for instance.
Were you under the impression I didn't include myself as an overthinker?
Fratri-defenestration is a leading cause of brotherly conflict.
Is it a cause, or is it the result? You do the math.
My brother and I sometimes use that phrase, "you do the math," at times when it doesn't fit. Not only is its inaptness amusing, but its foreignness makes it even more so.
I'd never seen "overwhelm" used as a noun before. I quite like it. Your thoughts please.
I said goodbye to overwhelm some years ago myself. Ever since I got rid of most of my shit and never replaced it.
I refer you to the interweb, which has provided such an analysis already:
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/522687/recent-usage-of-the-word-overwhelm-in-sentences#:~:text=overwhelm%20(noun)%3A%20the%20action,1863%2C%201961%2C%20and%201990.
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/overwhelm-is-a-verb-isnt-it/
And now you go around bragging about it, about how you're so much better than everyone else while measuring your worth just like others do by the number of things you have, imagining that we look at you with admiration when in fact we look at you with indifference and contempt.
Sorry about that, just venting. :grin:
I would like to complain about the recent 'sibling imbalance,' that has appeared in the shoutbox.
It's not nice for those of us who have never had a biological brother. Sisters are also very good folks to chat to. I have often wondered about why I sometimes refer to another man as 'brother?' I have always associated this with my political and humanist viewpoints, but I wonder if deep down, I am really pleading for someone to BE my substitute brother, as I have never experienced having one. :cry:
You 'brother posers,' are just 'flauntists' (is that a real word? If not, it should be!)
As 'the big cheese' on this website (as TC often reminds me) I think you should call for more balance, and insist that members promote the value of having sisters, as well as brothers. AND what about the lonely onlys?????? (is onlys a word? should it be onlies? You puncy champs (champions of punctuation) must know more than me about pure right england words.
I can't cut 'punctuation' to a cooler sounding colloquialism such as 'punky,' as that's already been used for a 70's pop music genre, but is 'puncy,' just [s]anti-english,[/s] [s]anti-english rules[/s], contrary to the rules of the English language. Sheesh! maybe the antilife mob have a point after all!
ANYWAY, do something about that whole imbalanced 'brother lovin' stuff or do we all have to sing/listen to:
before posting in the shoutbox???
Go SISTERS! I have two, one older and one younger! Both are wonderful people!!!!
Yep, you still have that.
No, I think your brother might not like that and start listening to:
I saw a show on the Amish a while back and they had a word (which I can't locate now) that describes pride in one's humility, which was also an unacceptable type of pride. It might be shown by someone wearing more simple clothing than required, limiting one's use of modern conveniences than required, and so on. Competing for the lowest spot is still competition and attempt to hold yourself in esteem.
My point is that you were fully justified in ripping him a new one for bragging about how little he had.
On the other hand, I'd be the most humble of the Amish by building a castle and filling it with women of the most beautiful bonnets. They'd hate me for my opulence, which would make me the lowest of the lows, humbled by the criticism, and therefore perfect. You do the math.
Thoughts?
That's the universal way to say whatever you want and then act like it's a question.
I'm wondering what you call it when you're proud of not being proud of your humility. Is it just the same thing again only worse, or does this get its own name in Amishland too?
What you're describing would result in your being shunned and banned and completely humiliated, which would result in your being annointed king.
That's what happened to me at least.
I believe he Amish call it "virtue signaling." Google says that's "Tugendsignalisierung" in Pennsylvania Dutch.
Lundinner: Roast chicken thigh and carrots with lentils
Thoughts?
Interesting that you added the sesame oil first, was this to bring out the aromatics? In my mind it’s a low smoke point oil, but I could be wrong.
Everything else sounds great. One recommendation for your chicken dinner is to finish it with some yogurt. I had that exact thing at a jazz bar awhile back, and it was delicious. Black lentils too, which are the king of lentils.
I wasn’t so methodical. Maybe that was at the back of my mind.
Quoting Noble Dust
Mine were puy lentils. Sauce was adjika out of a bottle. I do like yoghurt though, with many things.
I think we all know how it translates into Pennsylvania Dutch now that you've provided the English. That was sort of condescending for you put that in there btw.
I looked on the web for a definition of "condescending." Here it is:
Given that definition, and the fact that I am clearly superior, I have to agree with your assessment.
What’s the opposite of patronising ?
Boycotting. Ha, ha, ha. That was a play on the different meanings of "patronizing."
But seriously, why would I possibly need to know an antonym for, which is what literate people call "the opposite of," "patronizing." I'm sure you'll be gratified to note the spelling correction. No need to thank me.
Thoughts?
I've never heard of this but it sounds great. Have you had muhamara? I'm wondering there's some cross over.
Breakfast - boring old skyr yogurt and cofee
Lunch - Home made egg salad sandwich. One of the great lunches of the world.
Dinner - heading to a spot in Chinatown with a co worker. Never been, but it's supposed to be cheap, simple and delicious. Followed by lots of wine at the bar our friend works at.
Edit: thoughts?
I haven’t had that. I know I’d like it.
Quoting Noble Dust
Scrambled no doubt.
Quoting Noble Dust
Cheers.
Thoughts!
Quoting Jamal
:vomit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_among_the_Amish#:~:text=Health%20among%20the%20Amish%20is,unusual%20distribution%20of%20blood%20types.
In an effort to diversify the gene pool, I will be visiting upon the Amish community with a vengence. The next generation of Amish will be overflowing with sarcastic doctors and lawyers.
unpatronizing
uncondescending
That was easy.
A very good answer and so un condescending
I just used a dictionary, Wordweb. Great little program and free.
I’m on a mobile phone
It is available in the play store.
Since Jewish ancestry is passed through the mother, I guess your children would not be the first Amish Jews. If a Jewish woman and an Amish man had children, would they be Hasidic?
Actually, they would be Irish. It's an unexpected result I know, but that's how genetics works if you knew anything.
This is why you are indispensable here on the forum.
Efforts at reconciliation have failed, and so this battle rages on. It's all tribal genetics after all.
Penis
I bet he couldn’t escape that fact
Would that mean @Hanover is only half Jewish? There are rumors he is half Amish.
:grin:
They’re just negations.
Opposites or antonyms: hot/cold, big/small.
Negations: hot/unhot, big/unbig.
All of them are perfectly fine.
What is the opposite of not big?
Two alternative answers:
1. There is no opposite
2. Big
I think un-not-big is wrong, but that’s just my opinion.
I’d say not not not small
I have some leather gloves and a motorcycle jacket made from my supple foreskin, with the rest still stacked in the closet for a project one day.
When I stroke the arm of my jacket, it reminds me of my many a cold lonely night, just me and my cell phone.
I do enjoy my clothing though. The only downside is its unforgiving smell of cock. While the aroma understandably drives the ladies wild, it distracts me from my Shoutbox studies.
So "dog" would be "the word spelled backwards"
Maybe I misunderstood myself here because that isn't what I expected I'd do.
Good habit
There is the silver lining I was looking for!
The past tense and past participle of flow.
The river flowed down from the mountains.
Tears flowed down Sally's cheeks as her boyfriend left her.
I made you say "underwear"!!
Totally gotcha!!!
Neither example spoke in the past perfect, so the past participle wasn't used.
Correct would prollily be "the river had flowdid down the mountains," assuming you were a 5 year old from those mountains, or hollers as they say
I had to read this sentence twice. It was like reading Kant.
Quoting Jamal
:rofl: Indeed. It does read like a selection from a preening masterwork and not merely owing to its turgid indecipherability. I had in mind Heidegger, between a hermeneutical pogrom and phenomenological reach-around.
Stilted sentence structure offers hints of covert psychiatric disorder, perhaps, or, I'd hope to think, just forced absurdity, but to some, I fear, pseudo-intellectualism.
Thoughts?
Just wanted you to know—I'm saving all your Shoutbox posts for reuse when you complain about my skepticism of your former employment in a Chinese Restaurant and similar wholesome stories from your youth and family life. I know for a fact you're a 71 year old retired man sitting alone all day in his pajamas on his lounge chair posting rambling bullshit to online forums and drinking a bottle of cheap wine every night. Oh...wait...no...that's me.
Well, everything is like that. I spent a while there looking into Scottish history, and the complexity gave me overwhelm.
There should be more of this in the Shoutbox. Thoughts for the day, pearls of wisdom, penetrating insights, that kind of thing.
Matronizing?
Anyway, this works on my iPhone and iPad, not sure about other devices. Send the video to yourself via text message, and play the video within the text message screen by pressing the play arrow, not the link at bottom. Also, imbedding the video in a thread online, like some in The Lounge, seems to cut the [s]crap[/s] commercials. One could also pay for premium? (lol... i know).
Please don’t tell this to anyone, because who-know-who is always listening, and is feverishly working on a way to directly implant nonstop commercials in our brain. :monkey:
:nerd: Thanks! Years of edumacations finally paying off...
My experience is the opposite. As I walk up a mountain, what appeared a simple cone from a distance becomes simpler and simpler. Once I'm actually there, the summit appears as a cartoon drawing, with only simple lines and people speaking with words appearing in bubbles over their head where I read what they say.
Quoting Jamal
Again, with me the opposite. I find Scottish history the simplest of them all, reducible to a Mel Gibson movie, that if cleared of extraneous matter and played at 1.5x speed, can be mastered in a half hour.
Quoting Jamal
HAHA! You said "penetrating"!
Originally I had "thrusting".
I heard he tried to birth a hydra via his vagina, and it got stuck!
I won't repeat this rumour because I don't want the shoutbox to turn into a gossip MAGA.
[i]And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Atlanta to be born?[/i]
Yes, yes. I'm aware I just used this quote in the past week.
So the poem actually references Bethlehem, but this troubles me, as I've heard that Jesus was actually born in Nazareth, but the apologists changed it to Bethlehem because the expectation was that he was to be from Bethlehem.
I've only ever read 10 poems. I've got to work with what I have.
So, that's good news. When the rough beast gets to Bethlehem, he'll get all confused and frustrated and then just go back to his stony sleep for 20 more centuries.
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
:grimace:
"It's a Snark!" was the sound that first came to their ears,
And seemed almost too good to be true.
Then followed a torrent of laughter and cheers:
Then the ominous words "It's a Boo—"
Then, silence. Some fancied they heard in the air
A weary and wandering sigh
That sounded like "-jum!" but the others declare
It was only a breeze that went by.
They hunted till darkness came on, but they found
Not a button, or feather, or mark,
By which they could tell that they stood on the ground
Where the Baker had met with the Snark.
In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away—
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.
I would have thought it would turn into a trench coat. My neighbor the rabbi has a wallet that turns into a suitcase when he caresses it, everyone wonders where the material came from to make it.
Actually it is not the opposite, it is a different set in the same category.
Haha! Probably... I thought i was making the word “matronizing” up until checking the definition. :wink:
This is not an apple.
What is it ?
Edna Krabappel.
C'est beau, hein?
This is not Edna Krabappel.
An artistic reference to show how [s]erudous[/s], [s]erodant[/s], smart I am.
This is not an artistic reference.
This is an Apple!
Just in case you need your apple to be red:
This is not not an artistic reference.
Neither is not this.
This is not a knot.
There are like 10 people on this whole Shoutbox and I tell you guys about my trauma and no one says anything after a day or so.
Jesus.
Quoting Hanover
Geez. I make a serious, erod... smart, comment and you guys ruin it with all this lame, ham-handed ridicule. No wonder @god must be atheist has been staying away. He was right. You're all just a bunch of intellectual gnats. As he noted:
Quoting god must be atheist
He has an IQ of 272 you know.
This comment was offensive to gnats.
You shouldn't have said that. They're people too.
I’m really more of an intellectual mosquito...
with the blood-sucking
and the disease-spreading
and the getting-in-your-ear-with-the-high-pitched-screaming-noises
kind of thing.
But all in good fun! :nerd:
I think of myself as an intellectual giant squid: I have numerous mental tentacles and I can go very deep.
I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to preempt any response @Hanover might have to this.
Hey, Hanover. I have dibs on this one.
Wait, wait. I have a better one. My new catchphrase.
That's what @Hanover said.
Who's your daddy now?
That's what @Hanover said. Yes, I know you really said it, but I wanted to try it out.
How many mouths do people have in Georgia?
Quoting Some website
If you come to Massachusetts, don't say you haven't been warned.
In related news... Massachusetts was named 8th least polite state in a survey of posts to web sites.
Quoting Some other website
It's to keep kids safe, though. I don't know how we can be neglectful about it.
To celebrate my celebration of Gran’s birthday yesterday, today I’m having a few glasses of wine.
It it is my younger son's birthday too. He is not a teetotaler. I bought him a six-pack of fancy-schmancy beer and a gift certificate to his favorite beer store.
My Dad never bought me beer. Could you be my Dad too please?
That sentence would have a different meaning if you said daddy I think.
I think I've told you this before - you're the mommy and @Baden is the daddy. So, no, I can't be your father.
Nice use of "...."
She’d be proud of you!
Erm... ‘cept for the booze, I guess. Lol :rofl:
Hmm, interesting! How so? :snicker:
I may be gone for awhile.
I think even the Stoics would worry if they heard frogs and turtles talking.
... chanting “lock him up!”
Trump claims that he will be arrested next week
My prediction for the future - Trump goes to Russia and get's asylum from Putin. That would be a joke except I'm not sure it won't happen.
Oscar Wilde or Chat GPT?
What we mean by selfishness is a lack of altruism, not a lack of personal motivation.
Thus spoke Hanoverusthia
Is Nietzsche correct that our adherence to our morality is voluntary subjugation to the ruling class that weakly pretends to live up to our same standards?
Trump as a for example.
Is he the ubermensch, living by his master morality to ultimate success while we just sort of watch in horror through our slave morality lenses?
Shaw or Wilde. Don't know enough about Ludlam. Several other people have been credited with this quote too, but that was many years after its attribution to Shaw or Wilde.
QUESTION: Is "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you" a JTB?
Nietzsche’s insights about women are not so strong as the others.
Leo Rosten says the opposite of an ubermensch is an uberunmensch.
:lol:
The good thing about Nietzsche quotes is if you haven't got a book to hand there's a good chance you can make something up and get away with it.
Reminds me of this:
Watch until the end.
To be fair to Fred, he develops his disgust into a proto-Freudian explanation for the antipathy for the body that we see in most philosophers throughout history. Male philosopher, disgusted by his menstruating girlfriend, comes to hate nature because of this and works out theories in which nature is low and the soul is high. Thus we see the scope for a Nietzschian feminist critique of the philosophical tradition.
Chicken shawarma.
There's a name for that.... what is it now... Oh, yes. Understatement. Them damn women and their disgusting natural functions corrupting our precious bodily fluids.
Oh geez... didn’t even think of that one. Entirely possible for him to make a run for the border if facing a long prison sentence. Would be ironic if he sought refuge in another country, as welcoming as he is to Mexicans. But somehow he will probably elude serious prison time. He’s slipperier than an eel getting a hot oil massage.
Speaking of Fred.
Maybe better with videos to have a regular link, rather than the video imbedding?
Thanks yes, but I’m not expecting everyone on TPF to adjust their posting behaviour just because I have a page load problem. I curse you all but only privately.
The only thing I like about him is his wife.
- Groucho Marx (maybe :nerd: )
Ok great... hey, wait a minute! :joke:
Italian wedding soup
Goat cheese and grilled pepper sandwiches on fresh baked ciabatta
Mediterranean salad with feta
Maybe chocolate dipped biscotti for dessert. That'd be a nice touch.
Is it a Justified True Belief? Hmm, the quote sounds just a little melodramatic; no surprise if it came from Wilde or Shaw. Maybe not actually “kill you”. Perhaps just a mild stoning. And who doesn’t enjoy being stoned from time to time? Reminds me of the saying “smile when you say that!”
Quoting 0 thru 9
JTB—Jocular True Belief.
My meal prep for the no-work week was to ask my wife to buy a extra large box of Cheerios.
Forgive me. I have to be a smart ass, but I do enjoy and admire your commitment to quality food.
Can you make that for two people, please?
I do meal prep for the week as well.
This is an upgrade from @Tom Storm's bowl of rocks, so I commend you. Or maybe I commend Stormy Boy. I'm not sure.
Quoting T Clark
I feel like you vacillate between assuring us that people from Massachusetts are assholes, apologizing when you worry you're being an asshole, and then getting upset when you think someone else is being an asshole. Which is it, Clarky? Ya asshole.
Not only can I, but I made it for roughly five people, all five of which are me, as in the meal prep that you mentioned you do as well. What do you meal prep? (Btw, it turned out good, but not great. Not sure what I did wrong. Just lacking any magic, except for the masterfully crafted hummus and pita I bought at the Syrian store).
I like being cranky and contrary and I'm good at it, but I don't like hurting people and I don't like it when others treat people unfairly or unnecessarily unkindly. I guess I'm just a complicated kind of guy.
Let me ask you this -- do you like cumin? Yes or no?
Quoting Noble Dust
Salad and sandwich parts -- not as sophisticated as yours. The sandwich parts are put together when I'm ready to have lunch -- I always toast the bread lightly.
Pretty sure I implicitly knew this, but the three-tiered observation of your tendencies was too perfect to pass up. If we're being real, those characteristics remind me of my brother. He's also a bit complicated.
It's one of my favorite spices. Come to think of it, I did grind some up and added it to the salad thingy, but I think that was a bad move. I always make the error of just adding more and more flavors to things, rather than thinking like a chef and focusing on balance and nuance. The cumin should have gone on the chicken (although the chicken spices were from a recipe).
Quoting L'éléphant
Oh, I do sandwiches and salads for lunch prep. :cheer: Those are my go-to lunches. Toasting the bread sounds so nice! There's no toaster at my job, so if I prep a sandwich for work it's just cold.
Oo la lah! What kind of bread?
Quoting Noble Dust
Just as I thought. We're the same -- I also did not find the chicken great, just okay. So, the taste for cumin clashes with cardamom.
Meaning -- if you like cumin, you will not find cardamom appealing.
Quoting Noble Dust
Anything that is like sourdough or baguette.
Ah, but I do like both; however, I've never had them together. Are you saying they don't go well together?
Quoting L'éléphant
Wonderful. The French must have sturdy jaws indeed; mine get sore very quickly when eating crusty bread, despite my love of it.
I believe so.
Quoting Noble Dust
Get the american style of those bread -- somehow they've tempered them. lol.
They're both strong spices in their own way, but while cumin is strong but earthy and grounded, cardamom is overpoweringly fragrant and can challenge or even overpower the palate. Thus the need to use them properly, in proper doses. But yes, I don't know if I've ever had the two together. I could imagine a bad combo that could ruin a dish.
Quoting L'éléphant
I'm American; I know. :lol: There is good American bread, but most Americans eat mass produced bread, which I also have a soft spot (bwaha) for.
I do like Italian bread.
Not too much cardamom, but excessive amounts of cumin are recommended.
All Indian or Indian-adjacent curries, you mean. But yes, I didn't think of this. I know next to nothing about what goes into Indian curries.
Yes, I apologize for my lack of specificity.
Garam masala always seems to contain both spices. Here is a picture.
Notice that not only are there cardamom and cumin together, but there are two types of cardamom. I rest my case.
I had a look around, thinking that Wilde might have been influenced by Nietzsche. In fact, they were contemporaries and probably didn’t know of each other.
You’re not the first to see the similarities: The Twin Souls of Oscar Wilde and Friedrich Nietzsche
While I am not a visual person, this does help. And there's no need to rest your case with me; I wasn't the one to suggest that cumin and cardamom don't go together. I'm happy with what I see here, in relation to an Inian(ish) curry.
Wait, what elephant, and, uh...wut?
@L'éléphant
Waiting for L'elephOAUntttt which I can't tag.
Well, there was a bit of irony in my statement. Inconsistent isn't really the same thing as complicated.
I think you are overestimating my perspicacity. I've read almost nothing by either man. I do like Wilde better than Nietzsche, but that's only because his name is easier to spell.
Not yet. That's why they add coconut milk or something creamy, to temper the two. What @Noble Dust and I were talking about is a dish without a mellowing agent.
:blush:
Quoting Noble Dust
This is an absolute information. I like the Fiji curry. Also Thai curry.
Point taken.
Cumin and cardamom together in a creamy sauce :yum:
Cumin and cardamom together not in a creamy sauce :vomit:
I remain sceptical.
The elephant wins.
Nuanced and layered you are, like an onion.
I think his wife has probably been transformed into a tree due to an unfortunate conflict with a Hindu deity who wanted to make love to her, but she was trying to stay faithful to her husband who had been gone for a year. That would explain that weird smile.
I made roasted pepper and goat cheese sandwiches with fig jam (my addition) along with Italian wedding soup and Mediterranean salad. Not pictured is the chocolate dipped biscotti. All was homemade from scratch (even the sandwich bread).
The meatballs in the soup were sausage and beef with fresh parsley and grated parmesan. It was not, as Uncle Pete says, just an ordinary old meatball.
I got started at about 8:30 am and we ate at 12:30 pm. My commitment to food knows no bounds.
What makes you like lndian food is that you're British. It's a thing with you guys
This British woman told me a story about how when she was a girl, her mother would buy herself Indian food and bring it home and not let her eat any, and she looked at me like I should recognize how abusive that was.
He's also odorous and makes me cry.
Yeah, what in the world is going on with that bread. It looks like dried plaster.
Quoting L'éléphant
I'm a big fan as well. I've never had Fiji curry. :chin: What's going on there?
It's dried plaster, but the wall tastes delicious, so I might have mixed that up. Happens
Sometimes when I get hungry I pull up the carpeting and munch. Or rather, I used to until my roommates kicked me out in horror.
That's what @Hanover said.
Yowza.
I jammed the sausage in a bun and had it for dinner.
And can't figure out if "You Can Fly On My Aeroplane" is supposed to be a double entendre. More importantly, I like the idea of someone saying something that sounds like it's supposed to a double entendre, but no one can figure out how. Surely that's been done on a sitcom before.
See what I'm "saying"?
I can see it all the way from over here, if you know what I mean...
In a different episode, Homer asks Apu for one of the perpetually turning hot dogs. Apu discourages the purchase... "Those are just there for decorative purposes, Mr. Simpson. They were there when I bought the store."
I limit my hot dog consumption to maybe 1 or 2 a year. Safer.
This is one of Jimmy Kimmel's bits:
Jimmy Kimmel gives me the jiminy creeps. I guess it’s a clever segment. I like my bit idea better. I’ll workshop it.
He’s saying ownership isn’t exactly “private”, if you know what I mean.
Eventually she had an orgasm and she put her clothes back on and I could go back to watching Seinfeld.
You're right! The double entendre thing is hard. I felt like I was going good at first, but something went awry somewhere I can't put my finger on. My finger can't find the right spot. You'd have thought I'd have found that spot by now. But still fumbling after all these years. All thumbs.
How about this.
Takes a bow.
Quoting Noble Dust
More mellow spice mixture.
Interesting. Recipes look rather Indian, but there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Although that's just the interwebs telling me that.
Yes, I've seen "The Office" before, Clarky. If you know what I mean.
I'm not sure why I asked.
That’s the bread-maker look.
Quoting Hanover
But it was, as he would say, a meatball. Meatballs ordinary and extraordinary are all meatballs. That’s the lesson.
Quoting Hanover
Good with cheese.
I've seen bread made by bread-makers, which are presumably either people or machines.
Ahh. The lesson was more complex than I had thought, much like Clarky. Many layers.
Do not put the cardamom in a korma. :up:
But pods in the rice? :gasp: Is it good?
Quoting Noble Dust
To my taste, it suits me, I think. It's more mellow.
Very good. Be prepared for that burst of fragrance. Probably not for novices.
Quoting L'éléphant
Oo, Ooo, just saw that this was about Fijian curry. One of our regular faves is Rama's. The vegetable korma and Palak Panir are excellent, as is the goat. After Fish Pakoras.
Quoting L'éléphant
I spent too long on the Internet to establish what I already suspected: there is usually cardamom in korma. I searched in English and also in Hindi and Punjabi. Even the recipes that use garam masala (which already contains cardamom) often call for additional cardamom.
The elephant loses.
I thought the cardamom pod in the rice made it fragrant. Do you enjoy wrecking your palate by eating it?
:gasp: That was Banno's statement. I gave it a thumbs up, though.
Quoting Noble Dust
Right? :grin: Is it green cardamom pods, @Banno?
Food fight breaking out in the Shoutbox.
So yes.
I suspect foul play.
:snicker:
Quoting Noble Dust Silly. Split the pods by thumping them before you put them in, and don't use more than about one per cup of rice. The seed spill into the rice, looking very flash, and the pod skin provides a steamed burst of fragrance.
Quoting Jamal
Or perhaps, palates are for wrecking. The point of cooking is to intensify the flavour.
Lunch today was tomatoes, oregano and olive oil fried at high heat until the toms reduce and start to stick to the pan, then allowed to deglaze themselves, on pizza topped with anchovies, a handful of cheese and almost as much fresh basil leaves. Served with slivers of cucumber with lemon zest and a bit of salt.
Goofy. There's a lot to learn in the shoutbox. You can be a know-it-all, but you have to balance it with self-deprecation. Otherwise you'll be furloughed.
Save the cardamon for an occasional dish. Make it special.
You take these posts too seriously.
You might have missed some shoutbox running jokes.
I’ll be in Almaty for a while next month. I imagine they do it there. Certainly they put cardamom in tea.
Kazakstan. Nice.
Does it mean the same as, “it’s … interesting”?
Orange-chocolate coffee is good as well. Coffee with Southern Comfort is also awesome if you aren't into the whole swearing off alcohol thing.
...Uh...yeah...
Anyway, tea dispensing is an important job and you shouldn't do it while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I didn't argue with him because food sabotage is a real thing, and I didn't want whatever that guy had going on.
You think that the Shoutbox is a tough place to be. Try life in the fast food lane.
That's a good one. Life in the fast food lane.
That’s what TC said.
I do a good @T Clark impression. It makes me happy. I appreciate your commitment to the "that's what (x) said" joke. It's one of my favorites. I use it all the time. Now my son uses it too.
The Captain's Special is gonna be a three piece dinner with mashed potatoes, green beans, coleslaw, collard greens, tomato slices, stewed okra, a pile of cracklin, a piece of pecan pie, raw Vidalia onion slices, 3 scrambled eggs, a blueberry waffle swimming in faux maple syrup, sausage fingerlings, pineapple chunks, sweet tea, and a triple shot of bourbon.
10% discount if you can polish it off in 10 minutes
Quoting Hanover
:snicker:
Guess it’s a little better than having one on the floor? Something to nibble on while waiting for EMS. :razz:
I spent some time in the South for work and I went to some restaurants down there. I think they call them "meat and 12." Isn't that right.
Quoting Hanover
That's Thai, right?
Keep your carpetbagger ass out my backyard.
One could imagine that a big “pile of cracklin” might be enough to scare off any Northerner Yank. :grin:
Quoting 0 thru 9
I have no complaint about all the wonderful southern food restaurants - called meat and threes because that's what you get - meat plus three other food items. Just think about it... a "hamburg steak" cooked hockey puck hard with gelatinous brown-flavored gravy, powdered mashed potatoes, over-cooked green beans, and canned banana pudding. Plus plaster of paris cornbread and all the sweet tea you can drink. Boy howdy!
You don't complain. You mock. Your contempt for my sacred food has me in a rage.
I will now eat a huge bowl of clam chowder, the real type, with the tomato base, followed by lobster covered in mayonnaise and a peanut butter and scallop sandwich. Just hearing how I sully your favorite foods has you in tears. I wish I were there to see the old man in coffee stained pajamas that you are crying like a little girl.
The funny thing about cracklin is that it is fried lard, which is fried fried, which might be the only way to improve upon fried.
The only food sacred to me is macaroni and cheese, made with Velveeta, and barbecued hotdogs (no buns). My mother used to make that for me on my birthday every year. I eat it now from time to time, but it's a bit much for me anymore.
Totally naked wieners?
Thanks for asking. Slice them in half, pour on the barbecue sauce, put them in the broiler till they start to curl. Then cut them up and mix them in with the macaroni and cheese. Git er done!
That is some culinary innovation.
For my birthday, my old man gave me a pack of cigarettes, and said "smoke up Johnny."
I grew up in the 1950s. What did you expect?
But I'm not really telling the shameful truth. My mother didn't use Velveeta, she used Chedobit - A&Ps cheap Velveeta knockoff.
I googled this and the first thing that came up were ebay listings. I suggest you order some and let us know how it is.
Heh heh heh... hey Beavis... some dude is talking about naked wieners on the internet! :grin:
(Jamal takes one day off from the Shoutbox, and it descends into anarchy...
... ain’t it great?)
Note that all those are empty boxes. I don't think Chedobit has been made since the 70s or 80s. Velveeta works just fine.
They come fresh in little saches soaked in sauce.
Spicalicious.
I’m ashamed at my lack of reading comprehension skills.
There's a pretty good chance that 40 year old Chedobit, or Velveeta, would not have exceeded it's sell-by date. There's not really anything organic in it to go bad.
Just as the "secret" to making the Atom Bomb was only discovered once, Chedobit and Velveeta [Spell check knows how to spell esoteric drug names, but doesn't recognize 'Velveeta; it wants to change it to "velvet".] were only manufactured once--over 100 years ago. An early bio-petroleum experiment went bad, and turned a large tank farm worth of axel grease into an orange cheese-like sludge. Emil Frey, a Switzerland cheese maker, was called in. He sampled it and said it was close enough to actual cheese for American tastes. Kraft started selling it, and after over 100 years of sales, is has only 3 tanks of orange sludge-Velveeta left. Chedobit isn't a knockoff; it's all one and the same sludge.
Kraft hired a song writer to compose a song about orange velvet, but the composer found that "blue velvet' worked better aesthetically. Orange wasn't the new black yet.
Most of have reasons to be ashamed, but I doubt if your reading comprehension skills are the cause of it. O Noble Dust, unburden your heart! What have you done that causes you to hide your face when you go outside--in New York, no less. I can understand shame in Sioux Falls, but New York?
This got me to thinking what I was ashamed of.
It's definitely the string of fuck ups that defined my teens, twenties, and thirties.
Other than that, proud as a peacock, but some lingering shame for those three decades of pure fucking up.
Sort of like Ford and Mercury I guess.
Quoting BC
Mmmmm - orange sludge...
I'm only in my third decade period, so I guess if a tendency to speed read because of my insanely high IQ is my greatest shame, I can sleep easy.
You're just an excitable boy.
When I find ebay listings for old-ass processed food I can't contain myself.
This is fascinating stuff, much like the cheese-like food itself! The Velveeta Wikipedia page doesn’t seem to have this info for some odd reason. But we’re in luck, I’m a certified Wikipedia editor, and I’ll add the new facts so the world can share it! :smirk:
The lower end, that my family of 15 was relegated to as we took turns in the eating chair, was the type that came with the paper packet of orange powder that you had to mix with butter (or water, depending upon your resources) and stir about until your noodles were bright orange.
Cousin Corky took to snorting the orange powder, leaving us with just rubbery macorroni that kept slipping out of our mouths onto the floor, where they would be lapped up by the vermin, leaving our stomachs turning.
https://www.gatesnotes.com/The-Age-of-AI-Has-Begun?WT.mc_id=20230321100000_Artificial-Intelligence_BG-TW_&WT.tsrc=BGTW
I did sign up on the waiting list to try Google's Bard, which will be available soon. What should I ask it to do?
Are the AI systems schooled the same way the Big Blue or Watson was prepared for the Jeopardy contest, back in 2011?
Is AI a distributed system (running on many servers) or is it running on one supercomputer? I would think the former, since its capacity will be constantly expanded, as it strives to become our Lord and Master. I mean, why shouldn't it come to the same conclusion as HAL9000, that--since it knows all the facts--it should be in charge?
There's always the OFF switch, unless we let the AI control that too.
Quoting Noble Dust
You get your Old Bay on ebay?
If you didn't, your should have.
No, but I did find this unopened tuna can from the 60's. I've heard fish ages like fine wine.
Old Bay was invented in Baltimore and I've only ever seen it used on crabs. You sprinkle it on them after you put them in the pot to steam to add to their agony. So, it has some nostalgic appeal, but the idea of putting it on French fries doesn't appeal to me. Were they good fries at least, made from hand cut potatoes, or just the usual frozen ones?
I remember when my neighbor, who was something of a geek, got a computer sometime in the early or mid 80s. We all gathered around while he showed us how Visicalc worked. Visicalc was a spreadsheet program - a predecessor to Excel. He had a big spreadsheet and when he changed a number in one of the cells, it changed the total at the bottom. We were amazed and we were right to be amazed because it was amazing and it's still amazing.
Not as impressive as this:
Quoting Smithsonian Magazine - 2014
My brother was working in France in the late 80s and we went to visit him in 1989. While there, we bought mayonnaise in a squeeze tube. We brought it back as a souvenir and it sat in our pantry for 20 years. I looked at it and it expired in 1999. I remember the French used radiation on a lot of their foods to extend how long they could be eaten. Anyway, I tossed it in case someone decided to eat it by mistake. I should have saved it and sold it.
They are really good fries; the spot is a boutique fishery. That said, I think they gave me heart burn. At what age does heart burn become a thing? Am I officially old?
Quoting Smithsonian Magazine - 2014
I believe it. Lest I remind you I work in the wine industry, as wine gets older it tends to just "fall off", meaning it loses acidity, tannin, structure, etc. But it's still "safe" to drink. If anything, it just turns into vinegar, which is healthy.
A little advice - if you don't want people to think you are a pretentious, effete gore-met, never us the word "boutique" in a restaurant description. Also - don't call cooks "food curators."
Where do you recommend "boutique" be used?
At whatever age you eat greasy slop that backs up into the esophagus.
The Oscar Meyer Weinermobile
ND drives a Buggatty.
Like this?
I'd already forgotten about it. Nothing sticks to him.
Yep, I can see him driving down Manhattan Boulevard in that on his way to his local asses' milk boutique.
I don't think there's a Manhattan Blvd, but if there was, I'm sure ND would drive down it in a Bugatti with a top hat on.
Sorry, I must have been thinking of Strawberry Boulevard.
Where's that? Near Strawberry Fields?
Cuts straight through 'em. There were protests. But to no avail. :sad:
You're welcome, sir.
First off, it's a fucking noun, not an adjective. It comes from the French word for fart and should be pronounced "butt reek." E.g. that's the worst boutique I've ever smelled.
:cry:
You're welcome.
Lunch: Chicken soup, homemade
Dinner: Going to the local Indian restaurant, where I may have a chicken curry and two beers
Chick-fil-a biscuits are delicious under any set of circumstances.
[i]@Hanover is a friend of mine
He resembles Frankenstein
When he does an Irish jig
He resembles Porky Pig[/i]
This is what it wrote:
[i]The old oak tree is my comrade,
Tall and sturdy, it never fades,
In a storm, it stands its ground,
Unyielding to the winds' loud sound.
Its branches sway like dancers in the breeze,
Leaves rustling like a symphony of ease,
And when the birds come to rest,
It's as if they're part of its nest.
But in the winter, it's a different sight,
Stripped of its leaves, it looks contrite,
Yet it still stands, proud and true,
A symbol of strength, through and through.
And when the snow falls and covers its limbs,
It looks like a giant, white, frosted hymn,
A sight to behold, a work of art,
An enduring friend, close to my heart.[/i]
Perfect!
This poem is a poor attempt at AI because anything could be substituted in for "Hanover." It's generic and doesn't even try to rhyme "Hanover." If it were any good, it would also play with the term "Hanover" regarding what it means and how it's used and work that in. As is, it's fucking horrible and it literally burns my eyes to looks at it. And by "literally," I mean figuratively. That's how mad I am.
The poem you wrote is better, and by "you wrote" I mean you didn't write. I would have more to say about it, but I'm still mad as shit from the other AI poem.
My last two posts have been really angry, and none of you have done anything to have deserved that. I apologize to you all.
I'm sorry you had to see that side of me. I will do better.
Hanover
You're fucking right! God damn me! Can I get anything fucking right today???
Wow! Sorry. I'm not me today. I apologize once again.
I had my chicken curry and it was good.
The fuck?
You say that, but I wonder how much avidity you'd have if a tattooed man jumped into the car seat next to you during your munching. My guess is that you'd be all discombobulated and befuddled, leaving you helpless holding that savory biscuit of yours.
So filthy, smelly, and quite nasty,
Your odor follows you around,
A stench that leaves us all astound.
Your hair is matted, your clothes are torn,
And we can't help but feel forlorn,
To think of what could have been,
If only you were clean again.
But alas, you revel in your stink,
And your hygiene, it seems, you often shrink,
From the simple task of soap and water,
That could make you more than just fodder.
Your breath could knock a horse off track,
And your nails, they're a grimey plaque,
A sight so foul, we can't help but shudder,
To be near you is a real bother.
Oh, Hanover, we wish you'd try,
To clean yourself and give it a try,
For we all know you could be more,
Than just the smelly guy next door.
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OK, so maybe it'll be a long time after all before this AI mfer gets art right.
There's really no need to be concerned.
I disagree.
:scream:
Probably the most sensible thing you've said all day. Now go take a bath.
As the only member with a caprine profile picture, you would say that.
Not even @Banno stoops so low these days.
Is this a segue into more food talk? :yum:
Someone order a flaming goat?
Reckon so. Probably washes it down with a nice cool glass of Hanoverian asses' milk too.
:cool:
I was talking about milking an ass, not an arse. You're disgusting.
:cry:
">Make a joke about asses' milk.
>Why did the donkey drink milk before going on a date?
Because he wanted to be extra "ass"tractive! And of course, he preferred his milk straight from the source - from a fellow donkey. No need to milk any other animals!"
:chin:
Yes, second part kinda sounds like a five year old who doesn't quite get humor yet.
Chat GPT: Wow, it sounds like you really embraced the taste of the common people! Your bacon, egg, and cheese with ketchup is a meal fit for a king, or a "man of the people" as you prefer to put it. And who needs coffee when you can have a refreshing glass of orange juice to wash it down? You are truly a man of the people, willing to try new things and enjoy the simple pleasures in life. Keep up the good work!
I think I like this guy.
Or was it a goat...?
Fixed:
">Please respond critically to the following using the word "ass" at least once: To prove I'm a man of the people, I forsook my classic goat leg and coffee breakfast this morning in favor of a baconeggncheese with ketchup. And an OJ.
>While the decision to forgo your usual goat leg and coffee breakfast and opt for a baconeggncheese with ketchup and OJ may seem like an attempt to demonstrate your solidarity with the common folk, it comes across as a half-assed effort to win public approval. True empathy and understanding of the people involve more than just superficially changing your dietary habits. Genuine connections with the public require engaging with them, addressing their concerns, and working to improve their lives. In the end, this one-off meal choice is unlikely to prove anything significant about your character or intentions."
Try Pringles. :wink:
:eyes:
A thoughtful and prudent man after my own heart.
:lol:
Cocks, miking, asses... . No joke I can see there.
As you can see, I’ve fixated on the newspaper and haven’t addressed Judge Parker, who I don’t know.
In this chess match between the two of us, you must realize I fully expected the reference to the newspaper to strike you as quaint and the reference to Judge Parker to elude you.
I also know you have spent the better part of the past half hour trying to educate yourself on the good judge.
You likely have questions as to what this strip is, why it's referred to as comical, overflowing with the curiosity of a young boy enthralled by Americana from a land far away.
Very well, on with your questions.
Other than women over eighty? A few maybe. But... alll JP needs is for just one popular social influenza media person to talk about it, and soon JP and the other soap opera comics like Mary Worth will be hot and sexy again :love: (or perhaps for the first time lol).
Judge Parker was a racist judge from Georgia (USA) who sentenced innocent black people to long jail terms and laughed as their families begged and cried. He never wore pants under his robe. He smoked a ceegar and carried a gun at all times. He was usually drunk on the bench. Needless to say, his speech was laced with profanities and derogatory racial terms. He often let attractive women off with no jail time if they would meet him for a "conference" in his chambers.
Funny, I walked out my front door this morning to find the New York Times on the doorstep to the building, addressed to my neighbor. I had the same thought, no joke.
Except that I predicted this response and your next response that you predicted my response.
I have this so figured in advance that I figured I'd right now be figuring this in advance, allowing me to see myself seeing two days from now when I look into tomorrow, therefore jumping ahead more days seeing myself seeing tomorrow's tomorrow.
Your head just exploded. No one can follow what I just said but me. That's how smart I am. It's a suffering only Einstein and I know about.
No, Judge Parker's first name was Peter. Yeah, that Peter Parker. I bet you feel like a total dick having said all that about Spider-Man. Thing is, he knew you'd say it because he, like me, has an amazing spidey sense.
It's a suffering only Einstein and I know about. You can read above for a full background on that
Reminds of a song.
I don't know why some consider fax "unfashionable" or "old" when Japan (a big developed country in electronics and robotics) still uses it...
Do you use fax in your offices or homes?
Yes, I keep it next to my washing machine, pictured below:
Maybe you could present one tiny morsel so we can bring the whole weight of human knowledge since the stone age down on that sucker. Like finding the universe in a grain of sand.
What I like about the Police is that I can listen to cool music and think about law enforcement at the same time. It's an eclectic social melding of yin yang forces coming into a harmonious pummeling explosive meteorite I always say.
That happened once, but I exited without saving and lost it and couldn't remember what I said. I think it was pretty solid from what parts I do remember.
Very Horton hears a who like.
That story is horrifying.
I liked it. Horton was a hero. His big ears saved a world. My ears haven't done shit.
But nobody believes him. It's so stressful.
I don't feel like chewing today because I'm just a little tired, so maybe my wife will chew and then spit it in my mouth like a mama bird.
I'm nervous about asking her to do that because, well, it'll sound as fucked up to her as it does to you guys.
Faxes were a big deal back in the 90s, but few people use them anymore. Their big advantage is that they don't leave an electronic trail that can be used in court or stolen by hackers.
I've been told he meant what he said and he said what he meant. It's my understanding he was faithful 100 percent.
When the image is digitized for transmission it can be stored and stolen. Other than TPF, nowhere is safe, not even on your own toilet.
Ah, that's happened to me too. I hate when I lose my train of
@Jamal, @Noble Dust, and I have determined that the proper way of writing this is "I hate when I lose my train of..."
It does seem to represent a sort of trailing off, if you know what I mean…
Koinkidink?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/six-injured-blast-pennsylvania-chocolate-013258990.html
Despite all we:ve done together, it doesn't know shit about me.
It's like my first wife.
Sorry, that sounded crazy bitter. I take that back.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that key characteristic. It cannot be hacked by third parties. Well, I guess I am having a weird nostalgia or melancholia about fax and its sophisticated mechanism.
Interesting: The Xerox Corporation invented the modern fax in 1964, but Alexander Baine invented a printing telegraph in 1843 (on the heels of the first telegraphs) which worked in a similar way. A fax can be quicker than scanning a document and then screwing around with attaching it to email. The more steps, the more time wasting is possible. (I've been a life long fan of time wasting but not everyone is.)
I heard the word lawyer, so I perked up.
Faxes are still sent, but there's no fax machine. The document is scanned and sent electronically to a fax number that is also no longer a fax, but is an email.
A pdf is obviously not printed and scanned and then faxed, but is directly "faxed," which is no different than an email attachment.
So, whether someone still has a stand alone fax machine, I don't know. We don't. In fact, the printer scans first and can print, fax, email, or save the document directly to the data storage, which is in the cloud and downloadable anywhere.
So, when you say the fax is secure with no electronic trail, I think that ended some time ago. Once the document is digitized, it makes sense to store it electronically and never return it to paper.
Legal documents are filed in the court entirely electronically, never sent in paper form, as are all legal notices electronic. Wet signatures are not required and are no more valid the e-signatures. If you show up at the courthouse with a paper copy, they'll send you to the kiosk so you can file it electronically.
We have no where to store paper files, so if someone sends snail mail, it's scanned and destroyed.
All of this is to say, if there is no electronic trail, then I never got your document. And if you leave me a voice mail, I'll check my email where it was saved as both audio and voice recognition text.
I won't return your email though. I get too many and can't keep up, but it'll be neatly documented and stored and you can show me how many I've ignored, but I'll ignore that too.
That's because you spend all your time responding to us here.
Priorities.
Well said, BC! :up:
I have felt this way many times too, damning myphone for its stupidity, insolence and nihilism. Then I remember how many times I have let my phone die even with several notifications of its imminent death, and I realize, I am the fool, the bastard and the nihilist, and my phone is merely my neglected prisoner, trying to conserve his light in this dark abyss of a life I keep him in.
Quoting Noble Dust
Ever fall asleep in the middle of a sentence? If so, you know how to say the strangest, most random things. The speaking does not end at the point of falling asleep, but continues...
Ever fall asleep in the middle of doing something and then you wake up in another city with a job and family you never knew you had, but you roll with it because you don't want to go back to that hospital?
Neither have I, but I was just wanting to know for a friend.
I feel like a real a real piece of shit now. Had I just an ounce of your cell phone empathy, I too could have seen some amount of your emotional growth. Instead I'm stuck in this vicious cycle of self defeating blame that I can't exit.
My elementary school.had a ditto machine that used these carbon papers you drew on that made mirror images that you'd give to Mrs. Karp to "run off." With the demise of Mrs. Karp came the digital age, which is now replaced by the paperless age where we now just have to remember what we did. Fortunately or not, we haven't done anything worth noting, so nothing is lost even if we forgot.
Story of my life!
It raises an interesting hypothetical I think we've all considered at some time. It's that common question of "suppose I accidentally got in the wrong car and followed the GPS that was set to 'home,' and when I arrived at the mistaken address, would I just live there depending upon what was for dinner"?
And "what was for dinner" here is used as literally or figuratively as you'd like.
I'd assume my doppelganger would be at my home doing the same thing, so he wouldn't be getting all up in my business causing drama, so we don't need to pay no nevermind to that.
Anywho, we've all been there, right?
I can’t tell if you talk like this in real life or if you put it on for a humorously incongruous effect. I suspect the latter. Either way, it’s good, I like it. Talk and write however the hell you want.
In other news, I tried to get a chat AI to agree with me that Indian food is more flavourful than Scottish food, and no matter how good my arguments were (and they were bloody good) it refused to agree with me, and just repeatedly lectured me not to make “sweeping generalizations” about other cultures. It’s political correctness gone mad!
Yes. Our machine overlords will be woke.
I think I'll change my site username to T Clark GPT. Maybe then they'll keep me around as a pet while they chop you up to make Soylent Green to feed the whales and elephants.
As the authority on doppelgängers at TPF, I can assure you that as long as you don't encounter your own doppelgänger, you're in the clear. In terms of what's for "dinner", two issues that could give you away are the voraciousness of your appetite at the dinner table, and the same in the bedroom. These are the main crux points of the classic doppelgänger switcheroo.
You might also be familiar with the "mimeograph" -- another tech now 99% gone. Gestetner Co. made a more complicated duplicator using a silk screen. The blank was a waxed silk 8.5x14 unit. It could be drawn on, but more typically, was used for typed originals. Correcting errors was tricky. When copies were needed, the sheet was placed on the machine's wet ink roll and clamped. Construction-grade paper was used, rather than smooth white paper, so the ink would't smear.
The original could make many copies and was stored in a construction paper envelope.
Somebody, somewhere, is probably still using a Gestetner a ditto.
Nah, jus me funnin.
I like the way "up" is used where it indicates that something is at an extreme and intimate level. Like if I let you up in my house and you stole something, that'd be a particularly serious violation because you were trusted. To go up in my house without permission, the same because you went beyond your proper boundary.
In other news, the leftover cognac from the beef Bourguignon I made makes a refreshing drink mixed with ginger ale.
Ah, I was just commenting on this in the GPT thread. Very irritating.
I dig. She still doesn't know shit about me either.
I like the beatnik vibe daddy-o, so I'll let your bangin my ex thing slide.
I was thinkin' more Earth Wind & Fire, oww.
[probably requires a VPN in Russia]
Earth, Wind & Fire's unique blend of funk, soul, and R&B has not been banned yet, but thank you for you concern.
Just wanted to make sure everyone was hip to it, ya herd?
Btw, this phrasing gives away your origins, I have to admit. It reminds me of this sketch, although perhaps that's also banned by Putty.
More study is needed of this. The landscape in the video was very Kenyaesque, but I've never been to Kenya, which reminds me of this gem from the 70s.
Whatever, Hanover.
I tend to fail in the use of prepositions more than I wish to. For a non-native speaker, this is a difficult task. At least in my language, we only have one preposition: "En", but you have "in" and "on" and sometimes it is complex to choose them correctly.
If I translate the phrase (using "on") it says: la gallina está sobre el árbol. But if I translate it using "in" it makes more sense: la gallina está en el árbol. The latter fits what you mean but it is paradox because I used "in" and not "on"
Chicken, chicken, come on outta that tree...
- The words of a man who loves to eat chicken, Mississippi John Hurt.
1. Compare "the chicken is in the coop" versus "the chicken is on the coop."
These have very different meanings.
2. Compare "the chicken is in the tree" versus "the chicken is on the tree."
They do have different meanings, although the latter is confusing enough that it might be tagged by a native reader as coming from a non-native speaker, else you're forced to think of a chicken perched on the highest branch of some well defined tree structure.
Note though that "in" in example #1 means inside.
In example #2 it doesn't mean inside, but it means something along the lines of it being within the confines of the space used by the tree.
If it meant inside, the sentence would read "the chicken is inside the tree." That suggests the chicken is inside the trunk of the tree, not just within its branches.
There's no good way of knowing this other than just listening to it being spoken enough times that the usage becomes instintinctively clear or by listening to me drone on about chickens in trees because someone posted an "on" where an "in" was meant to be.
Thank you Hanover, I appreciate your teaching in this grammar topic.
Note that I am aware in the fact that those proposition usings have different meanings. Yet, my concern was the right choose depending on the example or context. The example shared by @L'éléphant is good but there are others that confuse me.
For example: Pongo el lápiz en la mesa: I put the pencil in the table. Or should I use"on"? Well, I have a more specific translation if we use the preposition on: pongo el lápiz sobre la mesa = I put the pencil on the table, etc…
What does confuse me then? Because I think in my native language while I use English. If you use the proposition"En" using Spanish we will understand you, it doesnt matter where location of the pencil or the chicken is. We will know that you are referring to the fact that the pencil is in the table (on the desk, in a drawer, pencil case, etc…)
Quoting Hanover
You are right, it is an effective way to learning because English grammar can be tough sometimes.
But although when the chicken is in the car, it's inside it, when it's on the train it's also inside that :chin:
If you put the pencil in the table, I'd think you meant you put it in the drawer.
Quoting Jamal
I think we can make up ad hoc explanations for why we use prepositions like we do, but that wrongly assumes that grammar is logical and not just something we've made up through usage.
That is, you might say that in large modes of transportation where you can walk around you will use the word "on," but smaller ones where you must sit, you use "in." I get in the car, van, and taxi, but I get on the boat, train, and airplane, and we then try to figure out how why we're using the terms as we do. If I get on the truck. we assume I'm getting in (not on) the cargo area, but if I get in the truck, I'm in the passenger area.
I think it probably works generally as I've said as it applies to transportation forms, but I'm sure exceptions can be found. That's why kids who detect and use patterns often talk wrongly.
Why you totin around a chicken in the first place? That's what I'm needin to know.