It's hard to talk about when I don't really know if it applies to me or is being projected onto me.
Chances are it applies to me but at 50 yrs old is it safe to say that it's who I am?
Or should I once again try to change it within me?
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 21, 2020 at 13:48#4040180 likes
I'm starting a school that teaches common sense, critical thinking, interpersonal communication and social grace.
Any suggestions for who might take these classes?
Any suggestions as to who should be mandated to take these classes?
I'm starting a school that teaches common sense, critical thinking, interpersonal communication and social grace.
Any suggestions for who might take these classes?
Any suggestions as to who should be mandated to take these classes?
Offer them to politicians, they seriously need them and have lots of money to pay for them. Even though it is tax payers money, they still accept it in the super market.
:lol: :cool:
Offer them to politicians, they seriously need them and have lots of money to pay for them. Even though it is tax payers money, they still accept it in the super market
But that would make me the one paying for the politicians to better themselves. I say we cut to the chase, save us some bank and not vote them in again.
Problem solved. :cool:
Next?
But that would make me the one paying :cool: the politicians to better themselves. I say we cut to the chase, save us some bank and not vote them in again.
No, the rest of the tax payers would do the funding. Your part would be very small, insignificant really.
Count it as an inversion, you pay a dollar and get a hundred back.
Then everyone can still not vote for them. 2 problems solved.:cool: :halo:
Next.
@Maw Finally ordered Lucali take out today. Had to call about 10 times but finally got through and was quoted a 5 minute wait time lol. Strange times.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 25, 2020 at 00:10#4053050 likes
Princess Kahlua has to wear the cone of protection to heal her wrist that she licks raw. Poor baby :mask:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 25, 2020 at 00:12#4053070 likes
Hey... what about cones instead of masks?
Let me tell you what fun it would be to toss popcorn into each other's cone. At least you would see their smile and hear their laughter.
:100:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 25, 2020 at 00:14#4053120 likes
Reply to Maw Be easy on me with food desires as my top appliance in my mouth cracked and I am on a soft diet until Monday.
Please I am begging you..... :monkey:
It just smells like what it is; some of the best pizza on the planet, haha. Super light crust, slightly sweet, tangy sauce, fresh mozz and I think grana padano or something, fresh basil. Simple.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/lucali-brooklyn-3
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 25, 2020 at 00:29#4053250 likes
Ooooohhhh my God I think I can taste it ...
Whimpering..... :fire: :100: :yum:
unenlightenedApril 29, 2020 at 07:40#4072050 likes
Reply to Shawn I suggest a name change to "Life's Husband". We understand that life without death is cancer. endless growth, endless consumption, and the loss of form, individuality and meaning.
Death is life's self- control, and its path to renewal. Without death, no birth; without birth and death, no life.
It is only thought that cannot encompass its own end, and tries to imagine up without down. "Hush, Thought!", says Therapy, "life does not need your protection, be quiet, child and enjoy your parents while you can."
Life's husband? I don't know man, nobody worships death; but, we all kind of go in that direction, I suppose. Some do it seemingly unknowingly. Why is that?
If so, can you give this poor ageing analytic white man the least idea of what the fuck she's saying that everyone thinks is terribly deep and important?
[I]If the methodology cannot be entertained as true, then the outcome must be ascertained as the proof of the methodology. If the methodology is determined by the outcome of the truth of the issue, then those more concerned with truth itself are going to, at least, have the moral superior outcome.[/I]
VagabondSpectreMay 08, 2020 at 08:29#4105920 likes
Reply to Noble Dust That's one of my favorite blues songs actually (it's one of the songs that motivated me to learn to play the blues).
Skip James has some especially soulful songs. His open d minor tuning on the above songs gives them a pretty haunting tone.
While I can play these songs passably (they're quite hard to pull off), I cannot at all match Skip's falsetto style (he transitions seamlessly between high pitch falsetto and low tones).
Here's my third favorite Skip song (this one is played in standard tuning, but his vocal range is very clear here)
All blues music is meant to be sad or morose (as the name promises; love loss), but Skip's music often veers dark. There's almost nobody like him (The good Blues god Robert Johnson is the closest comparison i think).
VagabondSpectreMay 08, 2020 at 08:40#4105930 likes
My son ate all the eggs and yogurt last night and I woke up to nothing for breakfast other than some sausage links and cheese. I'm at a loss for what to do.
Maybe that'll be the opening lines for my next blues song and in like 100 years people will post my videos. Do old videos start out in black and white or do they turn that way as the years go by, like my hair?
Nice takedown. Explains why, for example, when Seattle introduced a $15 min wage, unemployment went down and businesses flourished (exactly the opposite of what neolibs said would happen) because, guess what? People could afford to buy shit and the money went straight back into the economy creating jobs and wealth.
"Neoliberal economic theory [is] a protection racket for the rich."
Reply to Shawn Don't feel bad mate, I have been banned from posting in a lot of place. Mostly news sites. They don't like it too much when you tell them what you think of their stupidity.
Try going to some of the google news or any newspaper site's reports and read the comments at the end. They are usually worth more than the actually report. Always good to make you feel better and smarter than the rest.
Reply to Noble Dust A gorgeously (quasi-samizdat) filmed movie clearly made with the upmost artistic passion from Tarkovsky. The 8th episode of the movie, The Bell, is some of the most memorable 30ish minutes of film I've seen. Highly recommend.
I just got banned from a psychology mental-issues Discord server for being too empathetic. Go figure - Shawn
Quite possibly means they were worried about it for your sake though without context it's hard to say really. From your response I'd guess it wasn't worded well however.
Reply to Baden One day, anthropologists and historians will look back at our time and argue over how entire generations of supposedly post-Enlightenment global societies were duped into believing the shitty pseudoscientific shamanism of today's mainstream economics.
Sounds good, I'm drawn to the slightly more surreal aspects of his work, but this is a good indicator that I should check it out. The Mirror is possibly my favorite film ever at this point. The dream logic in that film almost reminds me of some aspects of a record I put out last year, and I didn't see The Mirror until completing that record. Wild shit.
Global Pestilence, Financial Meltdown, Weather Disasters, Nations Prepping For War, Famine and more. Doesn’t that sound Tribulational? The Last Days are here, and since you bought the Rapture lie, you’re caught by surprise.
What the Bible really teaches about Prophecy, and the deception that has left you unprepared for what is now happening. We have print and video on what is occurring, but we only want to hear from sincere Christians who are clustering underground. To hear more send your name, and postal mailing address, and we’ll mail you the location our underground websites.
Reply to Shawn
Very sad to hear that. How bad is it? I mean... is it much worse than what you have described before? Or is it just wearing you down? Hope you are ok...
Very sad to hear that. How bad is it? I mean... is it much worse than what you have described before? Or is it just wearing you down? Hope you are ok...
It's getting worse. I find existence unbearable lately. I think the CIA did a brain implant and are manipulating me. In horrific ways.
I'll have to build up some courage for it; but, I'm pretty sure I can do it.
:up: Hope you get it. Please keep us posted. From what you’ve written over the previous few years, it seems imho like you know this subject matter inside out, front to back. That’s not even counting the philosophical aspects...
:up: Hope you get it. Please keep us posted. From what you’ve written over the previous few years, it seems imho like you know this subject matter inside out, front to back. That’s not even counting the philosophical aspects...
Thanks! I'm really hoping to get back from the e-mail I sent.
Reply to Shawn
Heck, you got a degree from the school of hard knocks. Show them your posts here, maybe, if they want insight into you. Just don’t give @Hanover as a reference, whatever you do! :rofl:
Heck, you got a degree from the school of hard knocks. Show them your posts here, maybe, if they want insight into you. Just don’t give Hanover as a reference, whatever you do! :rofl:
Hanny? Mayybe. @Hanover, what have you heard about this? Eeek.
Reply to Shawn
Hey, is that a job you could do from home? That would be cool... and probably healthier. Sit in pajamas, help some people, make a little money, while surfing the Internet. Nice...
Hey, is that a job you could do from home? That would be cool... and probably healthier. Sit in pajamas, help some people, make a little money, while surfing the Internet. Nice...
JOb job, it ain't that simple, I suppose. I'll have to show up at a work station.
Reply to Shawn
Yes, that makes sense. Professionalism and monitoring calls and all that. Could be difficult at times, of course. But i bet the atmosphere is fairly chill and relaxed... to keep the counselors loose and refreshed. Just guessing, though.
Reply to Shawn I think you can do that and be damn good at it. As long as you keep enough calm and resilience. Some heavy shit can come down the wire at times, but you will have backup and talk down available. I really hope it goes well for you. :heart:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 11, 2020 at 14:09#4118070 likes
@Shawn
Dude, I am super limited on time BUT you will find the suicide hotline an incredibly fulfilling purpose for living. When I was 16 I went through the training for a program called Teen Lifeline here in AZ which is a suicide hotline as well as somewhere teens can call for themselves or a friend. After my training I was hired on as a counselor at The Boy's Club for the next 2.5 years which consisted of hours of Foosball, Four Square, arts oh and homework. Super awesome time in Life
But you have learned the skills of how to handle the suicide thoughts so very well that you my friend have become an expert in how to get through them AND if you have any doubt, look in the mirror and see the success of continuing life with the closest patient to you! Rock it and live on!
Wow, that is good news! With everything going on, might be the nicest news I’ve heard in a while. It’s still early in the process, but it’s inspiring. What’s that saying about the best way to feel rich or happy or something is to give away what is sought? (Example, giving away money to experience the feeling of wealth.) Anyway... keep running for daylight. :sparkle:
Putin just got 16 more years in power. Is this happening?
He signed a law to propose Constitutional amendments that, among other things, will reset Presidential term counts, allowing him to run two more times. It still requires approval via referendum and he'd still need to actually run and win again.
Today I searched mental floss on a couple of popular sites and I found it weirdly refreshing that the first responses had nothing to do with noses, noodles, condoms. Despite the fact that I sometimes find it funny or interesting.
VagabondSpectreMay 22, 2020 at 22:21#4150710 likes
Reply to Sir2u It's hard to describe why though. It's like a literary grotesquerie. It's like being punched in the brain. I haven't read nearly all of them; just flipping to any random one yields results:
Denver Lee St. Clair was asphyxiated by an "atomic wedgie" administered by his stepson during a fight. After St. Clair had been knocked unconscious, the elastic band from his torn underwear was pulled over his head and stretched around his neck, strangling him
Takuya Nagaya, 23, from Japan, started to slither on the floor and claimed he had become a snake. Takuya died after his father spent the next two days head-butting and biting him "to drive [out] the snake that had possessed him."[
Brian Douglas Wells, a pizza delivery man from Erie, Pennsylvania, was killed by an explosive collar around his neck, as part of a bank-robbery scheme.[
David Grundman, shooting at cacti with his shotgun near Lake Pleasant, Arizona, was crushed when a 4-foot (1.2 m) limb of the cactus detached and fell on him.
A large storage tank burst in Boston's North End, releasing a wave of molasses which killed 21 people and injured 150. This event was later dubbed the Great Molasses Flood.
It's just all kinds of "what the fuck?".. Like... "The Botson Molassacre"?...
Brian Douglas Wells, a pizza delivery man from Erie, Pennsylvania, was killed by an explosive collar around his neck, as part of a bank-robbery scheme.[
There's a documentary series about that. Highly recommended...
The last of the holocaust survivors are going. I know one who's 91. She married an American soldier who was Irish Catholic so she converted. She has a new york accent with just a touch of something foreign. I asked which camp she was in and I couldnt understand the answer. She told me she didn't like to remember.
Her favorite flower is roses.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 26, 2020 at 14:20#4162840 likes
Mine is the Gardenia. Gorgeous the day before the blooms open, intoxicating to the senses, petals more abundant than the Rose but just as easily bruised. The beauty is short lived but worth the wait until the next one blooms. :flower:
Reply to VagabondSpectre The one on Kurt Gödel... interesting. Read a bit about him in Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid, seems a lot of great thinkers like him tend to get obsessive about things....
VagabondSpectreMay 31, 2020 at 01:28#4179380 likes
Reply to dimension72 The only thing I don't understand is why he didn't prepare some food for himself?
Perhaps he just didn't want to live in a world without his wife... Which is kind of romantic... In a fucked up and macabre sort of way...
Today's my 30th birthday, thought I would end up killing myself before this day but here we are.
My 32nd in a couple of weeks. Planned another trip to Thailand. Now I'm just going to be stuck at home alone.
When lockdown's over I'm going to have to make up for all this lost time.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2020 at 14:30#4195440 likes
@Maw
Happy birthday my friend :flower:
I hope the next year of your life holds the greatest love, laughter, good health and happiness you could ever imagine.
There is a reason you are here... even if it is just to be a proud member of our little group of 'thinkers' and that is enough for me.
Cheers :party:
Is there a text limit to length of what we can post here? This is only appropriate place for what I want to post. Its a few pages long.
I'm not the boss of you, but I'd recommend not posting a screed of stuff, but put a précis up and a link. Long long posts are annoying, and don't get read. If it's interesting, make a new thread, even in the lounge.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 04, 2020 at 13:16#4202900 likes
Woo Hoo :party:
In person, limited capacity, face to face classes at the University for summer session B starting in July. :flower:
The best of the best are still being trained to patrol our skies above in those big metal birds :flower:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 04, 2020 at 13:17#4202910 likes
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Frankly the Devil himself has done his damnedest to take a life from my inner family circle. Satan tried in three long rounds but ultimately is losing the match. :strong:
Super sad to see him go as well, but also noticed his account is still here. Mods maybe don't delete him?? I was always glad to see his reasonable discussion of NDE's, even if I didn't have much to contribute, other than personal experiences that didn't quite fit the bill for inclusion. Really hoping he comes back.
We usually don't delete straight away in case someone changes their mind. But everyone has the right to have their user name and personal information deleted if they want.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 05, 2020 at 13:19#4206160 likes
Another step towards graduation in this game called life shall be taken today :party:
Stay healthy my friends :heart:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 07, 2020 at 14:04#4212640 likes
Hey!
Does anyone know anything about a donkey with only front legs? He must have escaped from the circus.
By the ducking way .... who got us grounded?
And for the fools who think that an Apple product will work? Buahaha come on man..
I get the desire for a new pair of Jordans, not worthy of stealing but Apple? Really?
Not to make too much light about it but Apple products? :lol:
On a new note, my Dad fell on his hip last night and once again a loved one is taken into a hospital ER and is waiting to come home. Dad is a DNR, DNI, Don't give a flying fig but was willing to go with the Fire Fighters. Result is a severely bruised hip. 300 lbs and his pain level a 10. God bless my Mom who has to bring that bear home.
Could someone please tell 2020 that we have had enough?
Ps even though the ER is minutes away from NicK, we are still forbidden to see either of the COVID 19.
Is that the best "happy" you have?
I'm not sure watching the video was worth the mobile service charge I am getting but it's better than "roaming" charge I normally am tagged with in life.
:rofl:
Was a joke but yeah...I like how if you pause the video at exactly 0:00 they appear to both be in stances that vaguely suggest to me some sort of fighting stance...they're both ready to fight...each other? God? Satan?
@Noble Dust
I might get in serious trouble for this, but what do you make out of this playlist?
Love me again - John Newman w/lyrics
OMI - Cheerleader » LYRICS ? ? ? ?
Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now (Lyrics)
AWOLNATION - Jealous Buffoon (Audio)
Tones and I - Dance Monkey (Lyrics)
Macklemore - Can't hold us Lyrics
Regard - Ride it (Official Audio)
Otto Knows - Million Voices
Sigala, Paloma Faith - Lullaby (Lyrics / Lyrics Video)
Clean Bandit - Rockabye (feat. Sean Paul & Anne-Marie) [Official Video]
Izzy Bizu - White Tiger (Official Video)
Lyrics David Guetta feat.sia - Titanium
Dynamite-Taio Cruz (lyrics)
Nobody To Love - Sigma (Lyrics)
Sigala - Give Me Your Love (Official Audio) ft. John Newman, Nile Rodgers
Calvin Harris - I Need Your Love (Official Video) ft. Ellie Goulding
Dj Fresh Gold Dust Lyrics
Bounce (Radio Edit)
David Zowie - House Every Weekend (Official Video)
Dynoro & Gigi D'Agostino ? In My Mind (Lyrics)
Wilkinson - Afterglow
Avicii ~ Hey Brother (Lyrics)
OneRepublic - Counting Stars [Lyrics]
Walk The Moon ~ Shut Up and Dance With Me Lyrics
Bastille - Pompeii (Lyrics)
Avicii - Wake Me Up (Lyric Video)
Jax Jones - Breathe ft. Ina Wrolsden (lyrics)
Faul & Wad Ad vs. Pnau - Changes (official video)
Reload Sebastian Ingrosso ft. Tommy Trash and John Martin lyrics video
MGMT - Kids (Lyrics in the Description)
Swedish House Mafia - Don't You Worry Child LYRICS
Rihanna - We Found Love (LYRICS)
Rudimental - Waiting All Night ft. Ella Eyre Lyrics
MK - 17 (Official Lyric Video)
One Kiss-Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa (Lyrics)
Sigala, Becky Hill - Wish You Well (Lyric Video)
Rudimental - Feel The Love ft. John Newman [Official Video]
Pitbull - Timber (Audio) ft. Ke$ha
Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho (Lyrics)
Flo Rida - Good Feeling (Audio)
Example - 'Changed The Way You Kiss Me' (Official Video)
Rag'n'Bone Man - Human (Official Video)
Calvin Harris, Rag'n'Bone Man - Giant (Lyric Video)
Meduza - Piece Of Your Heart (ft. Goodboys)
Yeah 3x - Chris Brown (Lyrics!)
DJ Got Us Falling in Love - Usher Lyrics ft. Pitbull
Rihanna - Who's that chick Lyrics
Calvin Harris & Disciples - How Deep Is Your Love (Audio)
Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (feat. MØ) (Official Music Video)
George Ezra - Shotgun (Lyric Video)
Wow, there’s roughing it and then there’s putting your feet up in a pseudo log cabin in Idaho. Don’t forget to try the potatoes while you’re there. Should be something special.
Dude it flew under my radar for so long, but it's currently at number 2 on my list second only to Di Fara. In front of Scarr's, Best, F&F...and yes I have an actual list, smh
6 of us touring the trails. Leaving ripples in still water. Covid has kept the crowds down, so that's good , I guess.
Yes, 6
Did you see the fountain that was not made by the hands of man? I hope you did and snapped a picture of it to share. :flower:
6 huh.... well maybe there will be a HUGE celebration when September comes :party:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJuly 14, 2020 at 13:57#4343940 likes
Can we just call 2020 now a Mulligan?
Distant learning is not enough here in the USA as many kids get their meals from the school. Socialization happens in school. Teachers are instrumental in this, how do we protect our beloved both student, teacher and by extension their families. Child abuse is often identified in school. And one parent families cannot return to work without school reopening.
Then we have our University students and staff. Teachers may not be happy with distant learning but many students are going into their Senior year of their degree and if you think back to that time in your life, you will remember how influenced you were by your Professors. Then graduate school students that are working on their Master's degree or a Law degree that is in its final year.
I am concerned about the quality of distance learning because I am taking it and it works for some degrees and for people my age and maybe others. I know my Indian is paying $4k for a class in his final year, this year because it is in person with Professors that have had to have 5 years industry experience in addition to their Master's degree. I believe I will be paying for online classes at $1,200 a class at ASU. Up until now I have been at community college for my Associates degree and it costs $300 a class, online or in person.
How can the students be expected to pay premium prices for on campus learning if they are expected to learn remotely but know the difference.
I'm looking for ideas....
What are your thoughts @Sir2u@Hanover@Banno@unenlightened
Anyone else?
It's illegal to change some configuration of your own legal Windows 10 installation?
Apparently no parts of Windows are being copied elsewhere (or pirated), rather it's all local, and the setup is optimized for security.
Would these still be illegal if not posted online for other to see? I guess so.
Are we talking Big Brother here?
Last night, I dreamed that I discovered this forum actually started in 2012. I was mildly confused and intrigued. (This is how boring most of my dreams are, unfortunately.)
Last night, I discovered I needed a haircut. I was mildly confused and intrigued. This is how boring my reality is. I'll have to go visit @Hanover's potato log cabin to spice things up.
Last night, I discovered I needed a haircut. I was mildly confused and intrigued. This is how boring my reality is. I'll have to go visit Hanover's potato log cabin to spice things up.
When you say you you're coming by to spice things up, what does that entail?
I subscribe but don't watch much...I would appreciate recs. I've mostly watched Tarkovsky films, which I absolutely love.
I just finished Kie?lowski's Three Color's Trilogy which I thoroughly enjoyed. Also highly recommend Masaki Kobayashi's trilogy, the Human Condition, Samurai Rebellion, and Harakiri, the latter might be one the best movie I've ever seen. Also Aguirre, Wrath of God which is leaving the channel at the end of this month. One of my favorite openings and endings in a movie. I also want to check out An Elephant Sitting Still, the debut movie of Hu Bo who sadly killed himself shortly before the movie premiered and who was a protege of Bela Tarr. Check out Jean-Pierre Melville's Le Samourai. I also recommend the Italian classic, Bicycle Thieves, Kurasawa's Seven Samurai, Yojimbo and Sanjuro, Red Beard, and Ikuro.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJuly 19, 2020 at 14:44#4358230 likes
Are people getting notifications that someone mentioned you in an @ name?
I don't know, stoning you to death with raw potatoes? Sorry, that's all I got, bruv.
That would technically be potatoing, which would be funny if it didn't describe how my grandmother tragically died. What happened is that I threw a hot potato at her to avoid burning my hands and was so amused at her startled response that I could not stop throwing potatoes at her until she suffered the sort of cranial fracture so typical of being potatoed.
I'd just like to leave for a week or so, the city is pretty infamous for being overbearingly hot, stinky and confining in the summer, particularly in the middle of a pandemic. I will probably stay with some friends in upstate New York in August for a little.
I'd just like to leave for a week or so, the city is pretty infamous for being overbearingly hot, stinky and confining in the summer, particularly in the middle of a pandemic. I will probably stay with some friends in upstate New York in August for a little.
I don't blame you. Here in the desert the Monsoons are building but since all that surrounded the ranch was burned to the roots, I am anticipating a deluge of black ash mud.
Been better I think. Right now we are suffering from the lockdown. More than four months now and I have left the house twice.
The only good things I can think of are that I get to spend time with the missus and I don't have to get up at 4AM.
Are you asking me or trying to get Jesus to help me? :lol:
I live in Honduras. The school I work at went virtual in April so I work from home. There is no public transport, people are only supposed to leave their houses once every 2 weeks unless they work in one of a few areas like health, food supply and a couple of others.
I gave up on that one. I got chased out by fire, drenched in ash, wrung out to dry, soaked up a running river, while racing a marathon with two pentulant toddlers hanging off each leg, while following a map written in Italian.
God I gotta get a life
I don't know the names of different kinds. In Spain, where I was living for a couple of years, anonymous olives are always supplied in bars for free with a drink, different kinds in different bars. I enjoyed most of them. I like green ones for General Munching, and often black ones for cooking. I also like eating the ones that are between green and black: red, brown, etc.
I buy them sometimes to put in Greek salads, pasta, and so on.
In the south of France we had an olive tree in the garden so I tried turning them into edible olives. It took months and the results were disappointing. I don't know if it was a problem with my process or with the fruits themselves. Likely the former or both. Incidentally, during those few months of brining, old PF fell apart and we started this site.
FUN FACT: in Russian, the word for the pit, seed or stone in a fruit is kostochka, the diminutive of kost, which means bone. I.e., "little bone".
From my pitiful little olive research, Castelvetrano's come from the eponymous region in Sicily, but the olive cultivar is a different name. But, in the US, in a bougie city like NYC, suffice it to say that, whether the kids know it or not, Castelvetrano's are the fancy olives of choice. And they are delicious.
You've totally put me in my place with your European travels; I can't replicate your olive-eating experience in these foundational locales.
And yes, it was an impassioned oversight of mine to leave off the role that pitted olives play in salads and cooking. My zealotry for snacking olives overtook me.
I'm sorry to hear about your failed olive tree, but my guess, based on limited knowledge, is that olive cultivation is a years-long process, not unlike the cultivation of grapes for wine, something I know a bit more about.
As to the little bone joke, I'll leave that up to the mods...er...
You've totally put me in my place with your European travels; I can't replicate your olive-eating experience in these foundational locales.
Maybe you enjoy your olives in the miserable New York winters even more than I did in Spain. For you, they supply a striking and welcome contrast, a ray of Mediterranean sunshine in your otherwise slush- and sleet-filled life.
I'm sorry to hear about your failed olive tree, but my guess, based on limited knowledge, is that olive cultivation is a years-long process, not unlike the cultivation of grapes for wine, something I know a bit more about.
Yes, despite producing a lot of fruit, it was a lonely old neglected tree. Maybe the good-looking gnarly old ones are not so good for fruit as the young ones.
Maybe you enjoy your olives in the miserable New York winters even more than I did in Spain. For you, they supply a striking and welcome contrast, a ray of Mediterranean sunshine in your otherwise slush- and sleet-filled life.
Yes, despite producing a lot of fruit, it was a lonely old neglected tree. Maybe the good-looking gnarly old ones are not so good for fruit as the young ones.
For grapes, the gnarlier and grumpier the better the wine. I'm just being an ignorant asshole and assuming that olives work exactly the same way. Low yields=quality.
For grapes, the gnarlier and grumpier the better the wine. I'm just being an ignorant asshole and assuming that olives work exactly the same way. Low yields=quality.
In France I cycled alongside the rivers Lot and Garonne to Bordeaux in August. Away from the river on high ground we stopped in vineyards and ate some grapes. I didn't even know if they'd taste good, thinking that maybe wine grapes aren't good to eat. But they were very tasty.
In France I cycled alongside the rivers Lot and Garonne to Bordeaux in August. Away from the river on high ground we stopped in vineyards and ate some grapes. I didn't even know if they'd taste good, thinking that maybe wine grapes aren't good to eat. But they were very tasty.
But Wikipedia describes it as an ethnic slur, of which I very much disapprove.
It's derogatory, but I guess in the micro-enclave of South Brooklyn NYC, it's multi-faceted. If you want to accuse me of racism by using the term...I'm probably guilty? Guido Lives do Matter... It just doesn't seem apropos to say so...
It's derogatory, but I guess in the micro-enclave of South Brooklyn NYC, it's multi-faceted. If you want to accuse me of racism by using the term...I'm probably guilty? Guido Lives do Matter... It just doesn't seem apropos to say so...
All right. The mods are mostly against a ban, so don't worry.
How do you feel about berries? Here in Russia at this time of year, they're berry crazy. The fruit in general is great. Big, plump, sweet, and juicy.
How do you feel about berries? Here in Russia at this time of year, they're berry crazy. The fruit in general is great. Big, plump, sweet, and juicy.
I feel very strongly about berries. I grew up in the midwest of the US with only one berry: black raspberries; they proliferated in the backyard right around July 4th (Independence Day), and the taste of warm berries picked off the vine 30 seconds ago will never leave me. I've since lost enthusiasm for July 4th (please don't ban me!), but my love of black raspberries has only deepened, thanks to my lack of contact with them. What berries are you noshing on in Russia?
the taste of warm berries picked off the vine 30 seconds ago will never leave me
Nice. My relevant childhood experience from Scotland is blackberries. I once survived on blackberries for a whole day and night when I went camping and forgot to take food. Despite that, I still like them. Scottish raspberries and gooseberries are good too. Otherwise, the climate there is not so good for other berries, except for the wild ones like juniper, rowan, etc.
I didn't know about black raspberries till I came to Russia.
"World production of raspberries in 2018 was 870,209 tonnes, led by Russia with 19% of the world total."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry
Many of my berries are supplied by my mother-in-law, who has a large fertile garden outside Moscow (warning: many of these are not berries): raspberries, redcurrants, blueberries, apples, cucumbers, tomatoes, garlic, peaches, nectarines, plums.
A berry I had seen on Scottish coastlines but never thought to eat is sea buckthorn, which is very popular in Russia, especially in juice form or to flavour ice cream and other desserts.
Also: mulberries, strawberries like they used to taste, blueberries, red and black currants, lingonberries, and gooseberries are popular. I hadn't seen gooseberries since I was a child in my Gran's garden.
The cherries, peaches, and plums here are large and impressive. They probably come from the south, or Uzbekistan, which is famous for its fruit. But Central Asian and Caucasian fruit, widely available here, is a whole other story.
Generally people in Moscow have a knowledge and affection for fruit, veg, and mushrooms, that far surpasses me and my compatriots. I speculate that this is because in the Soviet Union all Russian city folk with jobs had country houses for growing stuff, so it became traditional. But you also have to take into account my perspective here: Scottish urban people like me are not known for enjoying food that isn't deep-fried, or isn't curry, or isn't a greasy meat pie.
I didn’t realize how uncommon black raspberries were until I moved out and started doing my own grocery shopping. My parents still live in that house, but the raspberries are gone.
Your mother in laws garden sounds heavenly. I have a vague idealistic dream of eventually having something similar. What does sea buckthorn taste like?
Somewhat surprisingly, good seasonal fruit and veg is fairly easy to come by in NYC; there’s farmers markets, including a massive year round one in Union Square. It’s even active during Covid; I keep meaning to get over there. And Chinatown has endless outdoor markets. Regular grocery stores on the other hand are notorious for having terrible produce.
If you go into the briars, you pick wild blackberries where I live. They have sort of crunchy centers, so I don't really like them. There are also wild muscadines that taste like wine to me, and I'm not really a fan. They make muscadine wine, which is really sweet. Then there are crabapples, which are hard and sour and better for throwing at people than they are for eating. And we have honeysuckles you can suck on. They taste like honey that you suckle.
That's pretty much the shit you can eat in the woods around here.
Everything grows here though because it's really hot and it rains all the time, so if you want to have a garden, you can.
Somewhat surprisingly, good seasonal fruit and veg is fairly easy to come by in NYC; there’s farmers markets, including a massive year round one in Union Square. It’s even active during Covid; I keep meaning to get over there. And Chinatown has endless outdoor markets. Regular grocery stores on the other hand are notorious for having terrible produce.
It's the same here. The markets are great, but I hate them. The endless clamorous solicitations from the vendors when I'm trying to examine the produce, the lack of space, and the old ladies obliviously barging in front of me: it all induces a fight-or-flight response, and I end up like a conventional husband, waiting for my wife in the food court, ready to carry the bags. But it's a rational division of labour: not only can she banter with the vendors or just rudely ignore them (which is easy for Russians), but she's also small and fast and can scurry between the old ladies like a ferret.
We just had our first harvest of zucchini, crookneck squash, eggplant, and tomatoes the other day. I made a ratatouille that turned out rather well, if I may say so myself. Below is the only photo that I have handy showing the raised beds we made. They may be more convenient than practical.
Reply to jamalrob Another possible connection of vodka with "water" is the name of the medieval alcoholic beverage aqua vitae (Latin, literally, "water of life"), which is reflected in Polish okowita, Ukrainian ???????, Belarusian ???????, and Scandinavian akvavit. (Note that whiskey has a similar etymology, from the Irish/Scottish Gaelic uisce beatha/uisge-beatha.)
It's the same here. The markets are great, but I hate them. The endless clamorous solicitations from the vendors when I'm trying to examine the produce, the lack of space, and the old ladies obliviously barging in front of me: it all induces a fight-or-flight response, and I end up like a conventional husband, waiting for my wife in the food court, ready to carry the bags. But it's a rational division of labour: not only can she banter with the vendors or just rudely ignore them (which is easy for Russians), but she's also small and fast and can scurry between the old ladies like a ferret.
Sounds like an agreeable situation. American farmers market mongers are pretty chill. Often you can tell that the people running the register are just hired hands, so they don't care about sales (at least at something as big as Union Square). So I guess that means the farms themselves are big enough to hire sales workers.
Anyways, tomato season is just now popping off; someone remind me to stop being lazy and get down to Union Square to capitalize on the opportunity.
I can only assume you took detailed notes on that drunken short non-fiction story I graced you all with a few months back; the one about going on a ponderous walk and ending up with a snow white Moleskine journal. Which, if so, is pretty damn creepy. But it's ultimately my fault.
But don't worry, I don't spend much time imagining you and I'm not spying on you. You mentioned South Brooklyn a few posts back, and with a glance at Google Maps I seem to have been able to make you feel like you're being stalked. I didn't know it was that easy. :up:
and with a glance at Google Maps I seem to have been able to make you feel like you're being stalked. I didn't know it was that easy
You got lucky; "south Brooklyn" is a loaded term with different meanings. It means different things based on generation. You got lucky, I think, because you googled and got the old school verbiage, which must have given you Union St. I'll say no more, so that my fawning fans are kept at bay.
"South Brooklyn" used to refer to essentially south of Atlantic Ave (on the Western side) through to Red Hook, maybe all the way to what's considered South Slope now (around 25th St. at the most). But neighborhood definitions are constantly in flux; "Red Hook" for instance, used to extend from it's current bounds all the way into what's now considered "Brooklyn Heights" to the north.
Practically speaking, people like my current boss still refer to South Brooklyn as "below Atlantic down to the 20's" or so.
But in 2020, "south Brooklyn" more practically is a reference to the part of Brooklyn that's "all the way down": Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst, Coney Island, Sheepshead Bay, etc. But this is all a roundabout result of gentrification, sadly.
But the result is that, while "south Brooklyn" used to mean something specific, nowadays, a reference to south Brooklyn is pretty vague, and would presumably mean something like Bay Ridge...maybe.
Reply to praxis Yeah, great stuff. I haven't read Timbuktu but I've read Mr Vertigo, Leviathan, Moon Palace, and a couple of others. I can recommend those ones.
If you make your own pizza dough, please do not overwork it. The key to light ( as opposed to heavy and tough) pizza crust is in fermentation, not kneading. Let is sit around for a very long time.
Yes, my friend. Why is there such a culinary trend in the shoutbox these days? I certainly have no experience fermenting my own dough...but as a NYC pizza asshole, I have many opinions. Good pizza is made from good dough. :party:
28 hours sounds promising. I've heard tell of a 48 hour cycle. Again, I'm only a consumer of pizza, not a creator. Go forth! May your dough become magically light and airy.
How do you remember that? I think I joined 2005/2006.
I celebrate my anniversary date for joining here instead of my birthday now. It's just that important to me.
I think I joined here in the mid 80s. I can't remember. That might have been when I graduated high school, or it might have been when I lost my virginity to your mom. It all runs together after a while.
How do you remember that? I think I joined 2005/2006.
How can you not remember?
Wait... you are finally getting old enough to understand the failings of even the most AWESOME minds!
Whew...I was beginning to worry about it.... wait what was I talking about being impressed with...oh yeah your tattoo! Yes! That's what we should be sure is aging well. :starstruck:
Btw: I was adopted by PF in November 2009... I'm pretty sure.... :love:
How can you not remember?
Wait... you are finally getting old enough to understand the failings of even the most AWESOME minds!
Whew...I was beginning to worry about it.... wait what was I talking about being impressed with...oh yeah your tattoo! Yes! That's what we should be sure is aging well.
I think my excessive consumption of energy drinks is killing my brain cells.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 16, 2020 at 14:11#4435190 likes
Missing ........hmmmm ..... anticipating our youngest indian returning to school after the summer that never was.... heartbreaking in so many ways. He came home a young man and is returning an adult man. Seeing your Dad on the edge of death for weeks on end and have had to literally peel your Mother off the floor of desperation... I can only imagine .....
Thank you :sparkle:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 21, 2020 at 01:56#4451450 likes
If you don't have your health, you have nothing. You can fight to heal back stronger than you were before but it has to come from within.
No matter how much water I drink, it will never satisfy your thirst. It's that basic. :pray:
I'm running thin on optimisin my friends. I need people to have a little faith in me.
~ What lays on the other side? Mars Man knows if anyone does but his phone is a bit out of range.
I am sick and bloody tired of being locked up. Lock down really sucks. I have cut more grass in the last six months than I have in the last twenty freaking years, just to do something outside the house. I have decided that I am going to build a pool in December so that during the next pandemic I will at least be able to go swimming.
Working from home is wonderful though, no bus rides, no cold lunches, don't even have to wear pants. They say that we should be able to return in February. I hope so and I hope not, can't decide. I really should have retired last year but I need the money to do that.
Reply to Hanover
Wait, I don’t get it... why is the dog staring contemplatively after eating philosophy... oh, I get it now. :grin:
I’ve tried learning by osmosis, but never learning by digestion. (wonders what The Complete Works of Kant would taste like).
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 27, 2020 at 20:41#4469070 likes
Someone please make Martha McSalley stop calling my biz landline?
OMG just the sound of her voice makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 27, 2020 at 20:43#4469080 likes
Are we allowed out of timeout yet? :cry:
I am waiting on a Professor to help get a Cisco WebEx meeting started. We agreed on 1:15 and I have been sending her emails every 10 minutes but I have another meeting at 2:00. LOVE remote learning
:confused:
And no I am not THAT student :roll:
Tapping my nails ..... ..... .....
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 27, 2020 at 20:54#4469120 likes
WOW and I am paying for this class, AGAIN!
Yeah, I took the class before but withdrew because of circumstances but that was in the 90's. Now I am taking it at 50 and do you think the lady could at least drop me a reply note?
Very disappointed. Probably as disappointed as my Mom was when she paid for the class first time around. Okay I get it.
Karma's a bitch
I just realized that I should have said, according to common standards, "Not very well".
But I am reading about the history of the English language and the lady says that good has slipped from meaning just morally correct and is now acceptably used to refer to health and other stuff as well.
How is life treating you? Hanover @unenlightened @Sir2u @180 Proof @Baden @jamalrob
Pretty good thanks Tiff, but I'm growing fat with big city life. I was lucky that I was in Moscow with my wife when the pandemic really kicked off, otherwise I'd have been stuck in Spain alone. On the other hand, in that case I'd have remained slimmer, more independent, richer, and more attractive, so... swings and roundabouts.
Reply to Noble Dust No I didn't have in mind anything so tasty (though I prefer chana dal). Lentils are like Kant cos they're difficult to digest but good for you.
Reply to Michael Central America, Honduras. I am still here and I am not planning on leaving either.
The whole country was supposed to be in lock down, with only necessary services running. I have been working from home since the end of March.
Then they said that people with certain ID numbers endings could go out on certain days. So everyone goes out and the covid infection rate starts climbing. This caused problems because the number of people that were dying shot up as well. People dying is not so much of a problem now that they have figured out how to prevent most deaths.
But just getting sick is still a problem because of the total lack of hospitals ability to take in more patients and the inability of them to keep up with the treatment of the sick so that they do not die. At one point the hospitals were almost collapsing due to the quantity of people needing beds. They have been running around trying to improvise for months. And there is no sign of the thing going away.
I am going freaking crazy being locked up. I can only go to the shops once every to weeks.
AAAAaahhhhh.
Pretty good thanks Tiff, but I'm growing fat with big city life. I was lucky that I was in Moscow with my wife when the pandemic really kicked off, otherwise I'd have been stuck in Spain alone. On the other hand, in that case I'd have remained slimmer, more independent, richer, and more attractive, so... swings and roundabouts.
Alone is not where I would want to be either but there are some trade offs :grin:
I'm doing fine on the weight but I am slightly frustrated that I had my oral surgery done just in time to cover it up with a mask! Timing huh?
In all seriousness I hope you know that my sanity or lack thereof is in great part due to my friendships here. It's world wide event that we can participate in without a mask or pants! :rofl:
{{{{Jamalrob}}}}
OK, so I am sitting here watching the storm turn into a hurricane and then it is going to try and cross the street in front of my house.
I am hoping that it goes north before it get here.
As if the freaking covid shit is not enough. Maybe I will post some pictures if it gets here.
Noble DustSeptember 02, 2020 at 05:26#4485770 likes
That sounds stressful, but I do love the mental image of a storm just sort of lounging around across the street, lazily debating whether it wants to transform into a hurricane.
Reply to Noble Dust Good news and bad news. The storm did not become a hurricane and night has fallen so that there is little chance it will. It also went a bit further north than they calculated so right now all we have is the bad news. It is raining and lightening like f**king hell.
That sounds stressful, but I do love the mental image of a storm just sort of lounging around across the street, lazily debating whether it wants to transform into a hurricane.
Stressful is not quite the word for it, we have been scared shitless waiting to see where it would go.:worry: :worry:
Twenty years ago we had Mitch, it did a southern turn and headed over land then turned around and went back out to sea. It was a big mother carved a wide path way inland and on the way out it took a different route doing the same. I was sat int the middle of the 2 paths, it went inland to the east of us and came out to the west. 5 days of heavy rain with 30 and up to more than 70 mile winds.
Noble DustSeptember 03, 2020 at 05:04#4489000 likes
Reply to Noble Dust
The bloody thing turned into a hurricane about 80 mile from my house before going aground in Belize.
All we got was wind and rain. But plenty of both.
Reply to praxis I have had the ?good? fortune to have been in several. When I lived near New Orleans we had a couple of nasty ones. Once while out at sea we got caught in the tail end of a big one, no fun there at all.
The one we had here 20 years ago killed thousands here and in neighboring countries. I have built my house to be flexible enough to give a little when needed without suffering harm. I also made tie down strips that I can install over the roof and anchor to down on concrete blocks sunk well into the ground.
Yeah, last year I made one out of old lumber and plywood, lined it with a big sheet of plastic and had many hours of fun. Already started buying the materials to start work when I go on vacation in November.
Yeah, last year I made one out of old lumber and plywood, lined it with a big sheet of plastic and had many hours of fun. Already started buying the materials to start work when I go on vacation in November.
I was in a hurricane once and I was spun into a world of color from mine of black and white and the mean lady from where I lived that rode a bicycle became a real witch and midgets started dancing and singing and the guy we were looking for turned out to be a short man behind a curtain. True story.
Reply to praxis Actually I did not know about the worst part, I was asleep in a hammock. But I nearly went overboard when they woke me up to take me to safety. The hammock apparently had been swinging about a foot over the side-rail. Then I got see sick for the first time in my life.
Just watched You Are Here (1h:20m).
Strange and unusual movie about/with a number of philosophicalities, meta-cognition, Searle's Chinese room, mind, ...
For some reason, I sort of got a vague vibe of Philip K Dick'ish reality-inquiry.
Anyway, space-operas, guns blazing, and grand speculation/storytelling in lush settings are more my kind of thing.
But for the philosophically minded, this might be worth the hour and a half; there is some depth to themes.
Noble DustSeptember 06, 2020 at 06:33#4498320 likes
Mayor of SimpletonSeptember 06, 2020 at 10:41#4498640 likes
Yet another attempt to move on from responsible social distancing and willful anti-social distancing in the hope to become less socially incompetent and reduce my personal social disease.
Anyway... on to posting mostly music (that no one asked for, like this one
I can see it now, the wind howling, the sea churning, and you asleep dreaming of mujer hermosa while the hammock swings wildly in the gale. Your amigos getting tossed around on deck by the unrelenting waves as they try to pull you into safety. Then after a successful rescue one asking, “Como estas amigo?” and you reply “bien, y es señor para ti.”
Reply to praxis Well, that's not a bad painting of the scene for someone that was not there.
Couple of problems with what they actually said to me though. I was a 14 year old kid, my dad was the captain. The chief mate said something along these lines. "Que joder la suyo hijo de la madre, que puta pensaba" The chief engineer said something in dutch that scared the shit out of me.
But the rest is about right.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 10, 2020 at 19:57#4511460 likes
@Benki
Ummm...do you remember our discussions about objectification and women?
Yes, our discussions are coming up in my Victemology classes. :up:
Thank you for the enlightenment as it is paying off :party:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 10, 2020 at 19:59#4511470 likes
JerseyFlightSeptember 15, 2020 at 04:33#4523090 likes
There are far too many Christians on this forum. The moderator told me to ignore them, all good and well, but they're everywhere. Like moral spiders that come crawling out of the side of the mountain when you try to ascend. Godism is popping up in thread after thread. The quality of the posts on here seems to have dropped. Have these Christians scared off all the philosophers?
StreetlightSeptember 15, 2020 at 07:35#4523470 likes
Reply to JerseyFlight I will say that these things are largely cyclic. There are often periods of religious influx, after which it dies down again. If I'm rather unconcerned, it's because this kind of thing always goes away after a bit.
JerseyFlightSeptember 15, 2020 at 20:23#4524840 likes
Because this is a philosophy forum, I think specific religious posts, that is all posts not related to philosophical theology, should be placed into a category very much like the lounge, anything to do with organized religion. Mention of Jesus, Miracles, Bible, Creationism etc. The theists on here are all liars, nearly all of them are Jesus worshipers and they are pretending to be natural theologians. This is worth thinking about. I know for a fact if this keeps up I will not participate in this forum, it's quite ridiculous to see a dozen threads on disguised-Jesus-religion going on at one time.
The theists on here are all liars, nearly all of them are Jesus worshipers and they are pretending to be natural theologians.
So stop bitching about them being wrong and prove them wrong. If, as you say, they are all liars all you have to do is show the evidence of their being liars. Instead of looking at them as a pain in the butt, take them as a challenge to your higher intellect.
JerseyFlightSeptember 16, 2020 at 02:40#4526750 likes
So stop bitching about them being wrong and prove them wrong.
I don't have abstract conversations about the existence of Unicorns. The burden of proof resides with the supernaturalist. Further, the discourse cannot be justified within the context of existence.
Noble DustSeptember 20, 2020 at 04:08#4539760 likes
Taking several steps back, it does not follow that because I'm a) a theist and b)not a follower of Jesus, that therefore I would c)"recognize the danger and error of organized religion, most specifically, in the American context, the Jesus cult", in your words.
Noble DustSeptember 20, 2020 at 04:14#4539820 likes
I'm aware of what you said, but you confessed to be a theist in distinction to Christianity, I am asking you why? You made the sh*t sandwich, now I'm going to make you eat it.
Noble DustSeptember 20, 2020 at 04:20#4539870 likes
I'm aware of what you said as well, and now I'm asking you to eat the shit sandwich you already vomited up for me to eat: educate yourself. In due time, if you're wise, you'll lose the enthusiasm you have that has turned you into an atheist zealot. With any luck, you'll retain your atheist religion, but your youthful zealotry will ebb. You'll learn to accept theists as we have learned to accept you atheists. Best.
JerseyFlightSeptember 20, 2020 at 04:28#4539900 likes
I'm aware of what you said as well, and now I'm asking you to eat the shit sandwich you already vomited up for me to eat: educate yourself.
I'm well aware of deism, pantheism, even theism, but these are not Christianity, and you specifically made the distinction that your theism is separate from Christianity, this means, through your theism, you already reject Christianity. If you deny this then you have merely validated the point you claim to be refuting. Thomas Paine was a deist and argued far more passionately against Christianity than anything I have done on this forum.
Noble DustSeptember 20, 2020 at 04:48#4539950 likes
In due time, if you're wise, you'll lose the enthusiasm you have that has turned you into an atheist zealot. With any luck, you'll retain your atheist religion, but your youthful zealotry will ebb. You'll learn to accept theists as we have learned to accept you atheists. Best.
JerseyFlightSeptember 20, 2020 at 04:54#4539970 likes
Reply to Noble Dust"In due time, if you're wise, you'll lose the enthusiasm you have that has turned you into an atheist zealot. With any luck, you'll retain your atheist religion, but your youthful zealotry will ebb. You'll learn to accept theists as we have learned to accept you atheists. Best."
This is just an authoritarian sermon based on the presumption that your position and understanding is one of wisdom. It is not an argument, it is merely an unjustified moralist frame that you seek to assert without evidence. Thomas Paine was not unwise to refute Christianity, just like you are not unwise to reject it.
Noble DustSeptember 20, 2020 at 04:57#4539990 likes
Mayor of SimpletonSeptember 23, 2020 at 11:25#4550890 likes
Reply to Benkei No more photos of European cats?
Oh the humanity!
OutlanderSeptember 23, 2020 at 20:43#4552280 likes
I sometimes wonder if the Mark of the Beast prophecy (as it was purported to be a vision- interpreted by someone of yesteryear who couldn't possibly understand the modern inventions of today) is playing out before us.
"No man shall Buy or Sell unless he has the Mark of the Beast. It will be on his forehead or his right hand."
Ever tried to enter a store lately? You're forced to have a little device on your head that emits a light (or perhaps a mark..) on your forehead .. or sometimes your hand is good.
I bought a Nintendo Switch and the Legend of Zelda and this is easily my best purchase decision during the pandemic right after getting a subscription to the Criterion Channel
Mayor of SimpletonSeptember 26, 2020 at 17:26#4563580 likes
Reply to Maw
I totally understand you. The need for time consuming fun and whatever is necessary instead of watching 'death tickers' and dystopian TV shows on Netflix all day.
Mine wasn't a purchase, but rather the discovery of free Korean Baseball (KBO) coverage on Twitch, Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) on bwin.tv and Chinese Professional Baseball (CPBL) via Twitter. (finally a use for Twitter!)
All this and sushi is 'replacing' my trip to Japan that was cancelled due to... well... you know why.
The need for time consuming fun and whatever is necessary instead of watching 'death tickers' and dystopian TV shows on Netflix all day.
Yeah why watch the same recycled Netflix garbage when I can watch a lovely black and white movie about the familial and societal challenges that occur in immediate post-WW2 Japan starring the gorgeous Setsuko Hara
You'll learn to accept theists as we have learned to accept you atheists.
You mean we'll spend thousands of years universally beating, torturing and murdering theists around the world until eventually we arrive at a point where finally only some parts of the world are routinely doing that? Just as today only 14 countries still have the death penalty for atheism?
I hope not, feels like we can do a bit better than copy that experience. Careful when you talk about "we" and compare the bloody zealotry of belief with the mean words of non-belief.
Noble DustSeptember 28, 2020 at 16:57#4570810 likes
But you are not alone in the desire to meet up with others. I have already been told that the earliest that I will be going back to work is February. :cry:
ArguingWAristotleTiffOctober 03, 2020 at 13:49#4584330 likes
But you are not alone in the desire to meet up with others. I have already been told that the earliest that I will be going back to work is February. :cry:
I know I am not alone Sir and I thank you for reminding me. My heart is tearing :broken: I am just going to have to do what I can do. If I leave, it won't be some big issue, I will just slip out and Uber home.
This scene came to me; it's a WW2 movie and Godzilla shows up. "I thought he was fictional" says one of the characters. "Wait, how do we even know what Godzilla is? Its hasnt happened yet. What's going on?"
ArguingWAristotleTiffOctober 07, 2020 at 15:49#4595270 likes
@Michael's busy. I'm sure everything will be fine when he gets his move sorted. Maybe someone else will do some work too. I wouldn't count on it though. :monkey:
To my international friends, I'd like to share with you that I today received my absentee ballot to vote for president, and I do realize my vote might affect you as well. I also realize that my single vote doesn't count for a whole lot, but it counts infinitely more than yours, largely because you can't vote for you own future, but you leave that up to me and the rest of America.
Watched Vertigo for the first time. Excellent. Probably Hitchcock's best, certainly most complex and layered movie, although I do have a soft spot for Rear Window. Still haven't watched The Birds but will do so this weekend.
Mayor of SimpletonOctober 22, 2020 at 08:44#4638060 likes
Reply to Maw Have you watched 'The 39 Steps' or 'The Trouble with Harry' or 'Notorious'?
Unless you live in Cali like me your vote could count several times more than mine does, so you laugh at fellow Americans as well. So much for conservative patriotism and love of democracy. :sad:
Unless you live in Cali like me your vote could count several times more than mine does, so you laugh at fellow Americans as well. So much for conservative patriotism and love of democracy. :sad:
Why don't we eliminate the Senate, considering Wyoming's two Senators have the same power as your two Senators, yet they represent a small fraction of the people that yours do?
Have you broken down the various House districts to be sure they all have an exact number of voters as well? We need to fix that. And why doesn't New York get 20 governors if it has 20 times the population as maybe North Dakota?
If we're going to take seriously the proposition that democracy requires equal representation of every person, then we need to fix this system riddled with problems.
Caesar SaladinOctober 23, 2020 at 21:00#4642550 likes
Greetings, all- I didn't see a dedicated 'New Guy' place, so I'll use this for an introduction. While I have an interest in philosophical matters, I confess I have absolutely ZERO formal education on the subject (I was a 6-month college dropout and went to the military more years ago than I care to remember). I post regularly on a multi-religion forum where philosophy comes up in discussions, but this is the first philosophy-specific forum I've ever joined. For better or worse, I've hit upon Albert Camus and have done some introductory reading on his thoughts but I thought it best to rub elbows with those who actually know what they're talking about rather than going it alone. I'm sure I will comment on posts sooner or later after getting settled in, and I pre-emptively throw myself on the mercy of the court if those comments are the 'dumbest thing you ever heard'. En avant!
ArguingWAristotleTiffOctober 23, 2020 at 23:10#4642910 likes
I am wondering if anyone knows what I am going through.... a visit from @Postmodern Beatnik would be oh so helpful :confused:
Right now I feel the urge to scream, part out of frustration about the lockdown since March and part out of fear about the freaking category 4 hurricane coming right at us. They seem to hit here rather viciously every 20 or so years, and we are sort of overdue for one.
The last one left us without power for several days but it stayed stationary for a while before moving in land. This one apparently will come at us from the east overland and hit us as it moves back over the water.
Please spare a thought for us as you raise your glasses, because I don't have any booze left to do it myself.
ArguingWAristotleTiffNovember 03, 2020 at 13:20#4680090 likes
My Angels are on their way my friend :sparkle: @Sir2u
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Thank you, I think we might be needing them. The bloody thing is still off shore near Nicaragua throwing lots of rain at us and getting stronger. If it comes ashore there it will still hit us from the east then go around us and hit us from the north. Just with the rain here there is flooding, with high winds as well it will be miserable.
But the good news is that I managed to get some booze.
Did you know that you have a better chance of winning the lottery jackpot if you buy two tickets for one game than if you buy one ticket for two games?
Makes sense. Like if you had a lottery based on the two sides of a coin and you got to call both sides of that coin, you'd have a 100% chance of winning, whereas if you had two different lotteries based on two different coins and had to call one side of each, you'd only have a 75% chance of winning.
On the other hand, if the jackpot is £10 and you buy both tickets on one game then your expected return is 1 * £10 = £10 but if you buy one ticket on two games then your expected return is 0.25 * £10 + 0.25 * £10 + 0.25 * £20 = £10.
This reminds me of the two envelopes paradox we discussed a while back.
If you don't buy any tickets you will have money for another pint or 2, and you will never miss what you never had.
The only winners are the companies that run the business.
England is a dependent territory of the British Empire located east of Liverpool and most recently populated by an English-speaking people known as the English.
Historically, England’s biggest exports include copper, tin and the conquest and subjugation of foreign nations for 800 years.
Today, England’s primary exports include disgruntled EU citizens, Republic of Ireland internationals and Tommy Robinson.
Their main imports include disgruntled former EU citizens, former Republic of Ireland internationals and Tommy Robinson.
Both sides will wear their change kits for the game, Ireland lining out in white, rather than the traditional green, and England in blue, rather than their traditional black and tan.
England's traditional rivals are Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, The Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Cabo Verde, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Eswatini, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Lithuania, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, North Korea, North Macedonia, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Korea, South Sudan, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United States, Uruguay, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Wales, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe.
Yep, football. :vomit:
A game played by 22 people that run around a field called a "pitch" wearing funny little shorts, shirts that may have been used in a prison becuase they still have the numbers on them, and nasty boots with knobs on them, kicking a ball that used to be made of pig skin until they discovered plastic could be used.
Why they kick it so much is not really known and no one can remember when anyone was attacked by a pig so violently that such vengeance upon part of one of would be deemed so necessary. Worst still no one can remember any event where someone was abused by plastic.
The point of the "game" appears to be to place the poor ball into one of the well ventilated cages located at each end of pitch. Once again, violence against the poor pigs.
When one of the people actually manage to cage the pig gut, or the round plastic thingamajig, half of them seem to go into some form of ecstatic state and jump all over each other kissing and hugging and touching the others in what was once considered a most unmanly way. A point is also assigned to that group.
Most of these "games" are played before an audience, commonly called the "fans". These are made up of people that seem to have nothing better to do than throw away hard earned money to pay for the "privilege" their team(half of the 22 people mentioned earlier) kick the shit out of the poor ball while they drink beer and piss down the back of the people standing in front of them because they are too lazy to walk to the place that is assigned for those biological needs.
These fans also seem to be happy shouting insults at the people that have payed to see the other team of players and to be insult by them.
The insults, on some occasions, become so intense that a second round of kicking happens when they leave the field and find themselves in front of the other fans on the street. No points are assigned during this activity, maybe because they kick each other because the don't have balls to play with, or because there is no cage available to put the ball that they don't have into.
I'd advise you as a beginner to start with cryptocurrency. Forex has much more institutional (smart) money involved and your chances of gaining an edge are much more limited. +Crypto is currently in a boom stage.
A demo account's a good idea. Don't want to wet-blanket you because you could do very well if you do find an edge, but my brother was a professional trader and emphasized to me the extreme difficulty of beating the traditional markets day-trading as an amateur (if that's what you're considering). Too much of a disadvantage without institutional level tools, algorithms etc. and 95% of amateur traders are just there to provide liquidity for professional traders to drink up. Also, your own broker is likely to counter-trade you to make money (take the opposite of all your trades because they know you're going to lose).
How many freaking fucks am I supposed to get in a single year? Well I think I have had more than my fair share.
Covid and lockdown
Back pains because of all of the sitting down I do
One close call with a hurricane, no damage just scared
One very close encounter with a hurricane, no damage but really scared
Another hurricane coming down on us, really big one. Really fucking scared this time.
If any of you have any contacts in the godly, or other charmed entity areas, please put in good word for us.
:scream: :scream: :scream:
It's good for learning. For example yesterday seemingly every currency pair sharply dropped at exactly 10:00 pm before bouncing back, I assume because lots of people schedule a sell at the end of the day (I checked and the same thing happened the day before). Unfortunately that momentary drop triggered my stop loss, almost wiping out my gains for the day. Went from +£210 to +£50. Lesson learned; close before 10pm.
The good thing about crypto is it's a 24/7 market, so it almost removes that complication ('almost' because sharp stock movements, which are time-constrained, can affect cryptocurrencies too). Anyhow, seems to me a huge opportunity in Forex for betting on a UK-EU deal, which is likely to cause a surge in Sterling v USD. Are you making a bet on that?
Oh, btw, amongst the mountains of crap advice out there, this dude knows his shit:
So's the forex market (except on weekends), so I don't know why there are sudden sells at 10pm.
Anyhow, seems to me a huge opportunity in Forex for betting on a UK-EU deal, which is likely to cause a surge in Sterling v USD. Are you making a bet on that?
While I'm learning I'm just using really short time frames (sort of; I'm setting it to close as soon as I reach a £50 profit, or lose £200, and that usually happens within tens of minutes). Currently with this strategy I'm 11/12 successful trades today with £420 profit.
I don't know if I'll learn much about how the markets move if I try for a longer term investment (and as it's not real money, it doesn't seem worth trying it out yet). But I plan on sticking with the demo account for at least a month, so I might try your suggestion.
Oh, btw, amongst the mountains of crap advice out there, this dude knows his shit
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Bloody hell, is it that time already. What happened to Easter, summer vacations? Oh I remember COVID19, hurricane season.
Lots of people have suffered this year. Let us all be glad that we are still here to talk about all of the shit that has happened, and take a moment to remember those that are not.
Cheers Tiff, have a cold one on me. I glugging down cheap Portuguese beer, $0.45 a can.
ArguingWAristotleTiffNovember 27, 2020 at 19:16#4750580 likes
Cheers Tiff, have a cold one on me. I glugging down cheap Portuguese beer, $0.45 a can.
Cheers to counting down to the end of this shitshow! :100:
ArguingWAristotleTiffNovember 27, 2020 at 19:21#4750590 likes
In case you needed permission to break down just who sets your expectations: :up:
"When I was at one of my lowest (mental) points in life, I couldn’t get out of bed some days. I had no energy or motivation and was barely getting by.
I had therapy once per week, and on this particular week I didn’t have much to ‘bring’ to the session. He asked how my week was and I really had nothing to say.
“What are you struggling with?” he asked.
I gestured around me and said “I dunno man. Life.”
Not satisfied with my answer, he said “No, what exactly are you worried about right now? What feels overwhelming? When you go home after this session, what issue will be staring at you?”
I knew the answer, but it was so ridiculous that I didn’t want to say it.
I wanted to have something more substantial.
Something more profound.
But I didn’t.
So I told him, "Honestly? The dishes. It's stupid, I know, but the more I look at them the more I CAN’T do them because I’ll have to scrub them before I put them in the dishwasher, because the dishwasher sucks, and I just can’t stand and scrub the dishes.”
I felt like an idiot even saying it.
What kind of grown-ass woman is undone by a stack of dishes? There are people out there with *actual* problems, and I’m whining to my therapist about dishes?
But, my therapist nodded in understanding and then said:
“RUN THE DISHWASHER TWICE.”
I began to tell him that you’re not supposed to, but he stopped me.
“Why the hell aren’t you supposed to? If you don’t want to scrub the dishes and your dishwasher sucks, run it twice. Run it three times, who cares?! Rules do not exist, so stop giving yourself rules.”
It blew my mind in a way that I don’t think I can properly express.
That day, I went home and tossed my smelly dishes haphazardly into the dishwasher and ran it three times.
I felt like I had conquered a dragon.
The next day, I took a shower lying down.
A few days later, I folded my laundry and put it wherever the fuck they fit.
There were no longer arbitrary rules I had to follow, and it gave me the freedom to make accomplishments again.
Now that I’m in a healthier place, I rinse off my dishes and put them in the dishwasher properly. I shower standing up. I sort my laundry.
But, at a time when living was a struggle instead of a blessing, I learned an incredibly important lesson:
THERE ARE NO RULES.
RUN THE DISHWASHER TWICE!!!"
Ps I am not the author
Pss. Wallows I think your nickname changed but I wanted you to read this~ :smile:
StreetlightDecember 01, 2020 at 07:17#4758950 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I have a story sort of like that. Every Sunday, I would mop all the floors, vacuum, clean all the laundry, make all the beds, polish the floors and do every OCD thing you could imagine in cleaning my house. The cleaning list grew slowly over time as I got new ideas and hours were spent every Sunday cleaning and it was hard to do anything else when that was hanging over me.
Then I met someone. She didn't want to spend Sundays mopping, although she did try to help me once, but was quickly overwhelmed by the regimen. What she did was hire a cleaner and now I don't have to clean. It's so much fucking easier.
The message? I don't know, maybe be less neurotic, don't try to do everything myself, and not be such a cheap ass. I think those were some things I learned from that. I really could never go back to cleaning like that. I'd rather live in squalor, with dirty dishes piling up, and lying down in the shower spitting the water out of my mouth while making gurgling sounds.
I'd rather live in squalor, with dirty dishes piling up, and lying down in the shower spitting the water out of my mouth while making gurgling sounds.
I agree 101%. It drives me crazy when the missus gets in the mood to clean the whole house, I usually find something to do outside. Luckily it does not happen too often nowadays. :wink:
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 05, 2020 at 22:33#4773110 likes
@Hanover @Sir2u
I am just glad that you each got something out of the rant.
:joke: I am not sure what but something!
:ok: As a native Ohioan I've always found New Yorkers to be complete babies in this weather. To be fair it is tough to manage a big city in these conditions. But I took the train home from work tonight and thoroughly enjoyed my 15 minute walk to my apartment. I stepped out for a cigarette an hour ago and there was hail (?). Love it.
Noble DustDecember 17, 2020 at 05:59#4807540 likes
Anyone ever feel bad for the following plow? I.e. the plow that follows the main plow and scrapes up the shitty, dirty snow that the first plow leaves behind? It's like the Sam Gamgee of the plow world.
Reply to Noble Dust Sam did bear the Ring for a while. Similarly, following ploughs are usually given the chance to go first from time to time, which can lead to promotion.
ChangelingDecember 17, 2020 at 19:55#4808650 likes
Have you ever wanted to the ancient Earth? Well now you can...
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 21, 2020 at 22:56#4818570 likes
Okay so I get the serenity prayer up until the "wisdom" part. If Philosophy is the pursuit of wisdom, what exactly am I praying for that I don't already have?
Okay so I get the serenity prayer up until the "wisdom" part. If Philosophy is the pursuit of wisdom, what exactly am I praying for that I don't already have?
Mankind has been pursuing wisdom for centuries, and just like Zeno said about the tortoise we will never catch it.
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 25, 2020 at 15:33#4827420 likes
May you have a prosperous 2021. Continue to power on -- if you are in a stressful job, may you gain more energy and perseverance to continue. If you are in a comfortable situation, try to do something 'risky' or daring to appreciate your situation more fully.
For those experiencing hardship, try different things to remedy your situation -- it could be putting yourself outside your comfort zone, which would take courage and staying power. It shouldn't last long. Then plan on changing that to a better situation. I guess the point is to keep 'moving' and changing.
StreetlightJanuary 02, 2021 at 02:18#4842070 likes
Happy New Year to all :)
Just remember: it's not that 2020 was a bad year. It's that capitalism sucks and has stopped trying to hide the fact that your life is largely worthless to it.
I wanted to offer a public apology for the various edgy and offensive posts I've made over the years. So; sorry you lot, I shall try and remain lucid in the future.
I wanted to offer a public apology for the various edgy and offensive posts I've made over the years. So; sorry you lot, I shall try and remain lucid in the future.
Hi fdrake. Happy new year.
Not that I ever pay attention to your posts, :joke: , but really no need to say sorry -- you don't sound like a dick. The only time to apologize is if you start sounding like a dick.
Having an argument with a friend. He mentioned that some people say that the top 1% wealthiest people should only own 1% of the wealth and I pointed out that if this were the case then the bottom 99% would own less than 99% of the wealth and so there's some money unaccounted for:
Assume 100 people and £100. If there is a top 1% who owns 1% then there's 1 person with £1 and everyone else owns less than £1. The remaining 99 own at most £0.99 each and 99 * £0.99 = £98.01. There's £0.99 unaccounted for.
Raising it to £1,000 and the top 1% own £10, the bottom 99% own at most £989.01 (98.901%) with £0.99 (0.099%) unaccounted for. And so on.
Is my maths right? Assuming all money is accounted for, the top 1% (if there is a top 1%) must own more than 1% of the wealth?
Your math is wrong because your logic is wrong. If 1% of the people own 1% of the wealth, then 99% of the people own the other 99%. But that could only be possible if everyone(100%) owns exactly the same amount. As no one owns exactly the same amount of the total wealth there will always be people that own more.
Zeno of Elea's modern day descendants could never enter the 1% wealth tier because of this problem. How do you round up to a pence if you only ever own infinite fractions of one?
Your math is wrong because your logic is wrong. If 1% of the people own 1% of the wealth, then 99% of the people own the other 99%.
My logic shows that this can't happen, so I don't think it's right to say that the maths is wrong. Rather it shows that the premise can't ever be true (unless there's money unaccounted for). It's a reductio ad absurdum.
But that could only be possible if everyone(100%) owns exactly the same amount.
If everyone owns exactly the same amount then there isn't a top 1%.
In 2017 California grew 31,000 tons of figs, most of which went into Nabisco fig Newtons.
I had a fig tree in my yard with thousands of figs. I only ate a handful. There are just so many figs a man can eat. I did clothe myself in a fig leaf because I was shamed by my nakedness.
I'm taking a mediation class right now so that I can get a certification. I have a smug attitude, like I know it all and that I'm better than everyone else. The fact that I'm self-aware makes me even more smug, like I know my limitations and that makes me even better. I doubt I'll get much from this course, other than the form that says I'm certified, which is really why I'm here.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 25, 2021 at 15:57#4928140 likes
@Hanover
:rofl: Hanover my friend, there is no certificate, no trophy not even a podium stand. No ribbon, no graduation party. Your achievement, your reward is a blank mind, a piece of silence and a new way to daydream. :flower:
I'm taking a mediation class right now so that I can get a certification. I have a smug attitude, like I know it all and that I'm better than everyone else. The fact that I'm self-aware makes me even more smug, like I know my limitations and that makes me even better. I doubt I'll get much from this course, other than the form that says I'm certified, which is really why I'm here.
My housemate wants to do this for yoga. Then he can teach yoga to hot young women. I know your game.
Because you are working with a fixed number, 100 people and £100. In the real world there is no fixed amount for the quantity of wealth available or owned. That logic does not apply to the real world.
If the biggest owner of wealth has 1£ then everyone else has to have less, you assigned £0.99 but what happens if 50% only have a few pence?
When you are working with percentages and then giving examples with currency it gets confusing because they are not realistic numbers being assigned. That is why your logic is flawed.
This is similar to the waiter giving change puzzle.
If the biggest owner of wealth has 1£ then everyone else has to have less, you assigned £0.99 but what happens if 50% only have a few pence?
I said at most £0.99. If they have less then the amount of money unaccounted for is even greater. For example if 50 people have £0.99 and 49 have £0.01 then the total amount of wealth owned by the bottom 99% is £49.99.
So the point still stands that if the top 1% own 1% then the bottom 99% own less than 99%.
When you are working with percentages and then giving examples with currency it gets confusing because they are not realistic numbers being assigned. That is why your logic is flawed.
The logic doesn't depend on realistic numbers. I could use 6 billion people and $360 trillion, where 1% (60 million) own 1% ($3,600,000,000,000), and so on average $60,000 each, and the other 5,940,000,000 people owning at most $59,999.99 each, with at least $59,400,000 unaccounted for.
My housemate wants to do this for yoga. Then he can teach yoga to hot young women. I know your game.
This personal trainer at my gym stood behind this girl wearing these ridiculous tights spotting her while she did squats, squatting up and down with her, offering her the safety of not falling over. That's the job I need. I like to help people.
So the point still stands that if the top 1% own 1% then the bottom 99% own less than 99%.
So is it impossible to account for whatever fraction of wealth is unaccounted for in the 99% by moving to the right of the decimal point? How far do we move to the right of the decimal point to capture the missing wealth?
He mentioned that some people say that the top 1% wealthiest people should only own 1% of the wealth and I pointed out that if this were the case then the bottom 99% would own less than 99% of the wealth and so there's some money unaccounted for
"The top 1% wealthiest people" means "the currently top 1% wealthiest people", who according to some people should be no more wealthy than anyone else. Your friend is saying there shouldn't be a top 1%. The top 1% should be transformed into just another 1%.
"The top 1% wealthiest people" means "the currently top 1% wealthiest people", who according to some people should be no more wealthy than anyone else. Your friend is saying there shouldn't be a top 1%. The top 1% should be transformed into just another 1%.
Or am I missing something?
That's the thing, it's a nonsense position. He's not saying that there shouldn't be a top 1%, he's saying that the top 1% should only own 1% of the wealth. I tried to show him that, mathematically, if there's a top 1% then they will own more than 1% of the wealth, but he isn't buying it.
Reply to Michael All I have to go on is what you said he said, and in my experience anyone who says that means that there shouldn't be a top 1%. That is, you're being over-literal. Again, you seem so sure of your position, a position that seems to me quite odd, that I feel I must be missing something.
Worryingly 19% of the British population think the top 1% should only have 1% of the wealth.
At the time we were discussing what share the top 1% actually own. I then responded by saying that if the top 1% own 1% of the wealth then the bottom 99% would own less than 99% of the wealth. His response was:
The remaining 99% of people have 99% of the original total wealth
So it seems to me that he's saying that 19% of British people are OK with there being a top 1% wealthiest people but that they should only own 1% of the total wealth, and that the bottom 99% should own 99%. It doesn't seem to me that he's saying that 19% of British people believe that everyone's wealth should be equal.
Again, you seem so sure of your position, a position that seems to me quite odd
That's the point, it's a reductio ad absurdum. I'm just trying to show that it's impossible for there to be a top 1% and for this top 1% to only own 1% of the total wealth.
£100 between 100 people.
1 person has £90 = £90.00
98 person have £0.10 = £9.80
1 person has £0.20 = £0.20
100 people = £100
That seems to add up to me.
That's fine, because the top 1% owns 90% of the wealth. I'm saying that it's impossible for the top 1% to own 1% of the wealth.
Your problem is supposing that the other 99 all have the same amount, not logical at all.
I don't need to suppose that. They can have any variable amount under £1. Try it; you'll see that there's money unaccounted for. It's impossible for 99 people to share £99 and for them each to have less than £1. It's basic maths. And that same maths is why it's impossible for 99% to share 99% and each have less than 1%, regardless of the actual number of people and the actual total wealth.
Or do the reverse; start by defining how much each of the poorest 99 have, e.g. 50 have £1 and 49 have £1.50. That's £123.50. The richest person must have more than £1.50, so if we assume the lowest amount of £1.51 then the total wealth is £125.01. The richest person owns 1.2% of the wealth.
Noble DustFebruary 02, 2021 at 04:25#4958740 likes
Got caught in a classic NYC scam tonight, I'm so pissed. A guy walks past me as I'm about to enter the subway and subtly bumps his bag into my leg, causing his bottle of booze to "break" (guessing pre-broken so there's no variable there), and proceeds to try to get me to pay for it. I've seen it before and ignore him and run down the subway stairs, but he follows and grabs unto me firmly. I tell him I know it's a scam and he tells me he'll beat the shit out of me, so I grab some cash and hand it to him and swipe through the turnstile. I never get angry but I was screaming my head off at him as I walked away. It may have just been intimidation, but my spidey sense was saying there was potential for confrontation; dude was super aggressive and not sober. I'm out $40 but don't have a black eye/not in the ER during Covid. What a fun end to my polar vortex work day.
That sucks. I'd have probably taken door number two (black eye) cuz it's my foolishly impulsive Irish tempered nature.
On an almost completely unrelated note, I was condemned the other day by a pearl clutching old church lady who felt violated by something I said. We need to tread cautiously around those of superior virtue, least we incur their divine wrath.
Noble DustFebruary 03, 2021 at 05:02#4962580 likes
That sucks. I'd have probably taken door number two (black eye) cuz it's my foolishly impulsive Irish tempered nature.
Haha. As a paper thin (primarily) Scandinavian, I get surprisingly heated in these situations, but somehow the logical part of my brain prevents me from entering fights I know I will lose sorely. If anything, I think my pride is hurt the most; I knew not to play into the scam, but I still got fucked. Oh well.
UglydeliciousFebruary 03, 2021 at 22:41#4965060 likes
Hello, I’m curious what this thread is. I’m new to this forum..
Noble DustFebruary 04, 2021 at 03:03#4966170 likes
Hello, I’m curious what this thread is. I’m new to this forum..
Hiya Uglydelicious and Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!
In an earlier form we had a "Shoutbox" that had a rightful position on the front page. It is simply a place for unmoderated discussions to take place in. Some of the best topics and insight were left in the Shoutbox, like little gold specs of wisdom that some thought were too little to waste time on mining. But others believed would be enough to pay for a pint at the Pub after a day of working.
So enjoy your stay and again Welcome
Tiff
ChangelingFebruary 04, 2021 at 20:39#4969080 likes
If sleep/unconsciousness is part of life then it isn't a part of death. Agree?
ChangelingFebruary 05, 2021 at 05:25#4970470 likes
What is this, my mom's facebook account? How is it that all the cool boys have suddenly gone emo?
I think I am a bit taken a back :yikes:
I am a Mom and if someone hacked my Facebook account, whomever did it better keep an eye out for trouble. :chin:
Having said that, the "cool boys" haven't gone emo, they are very much still here. :cool:
They just happen to have amazing taste in music and I almost feel sorry for someone who has not been moved by music.
:worry: :sparkle:
I agree with the sentiment, just surprised to see it posted here by someone like Banno. ;)
It is rare for Banno to show his softer side but I promise you, his wife knows it's there. :razz:
Ask him what his favorite instrument is as it might surprise you. It certainly surprised me as I really believed he was a blues lover at heart. :heart:
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 06, 2021 at 15:43#4974130 likes
I read a quote I had never read
"Victory delayed is not victory denied."
C. Buchanan is who I read it from though I am not really sure it is hers but I like it :up:
WARNING. This guy was supposed to buy our washer dryer machine for £150.
He wanted to see it working first, and asked if he could do a load of laundry.
After he finished, he said "let me go get the money", got in his car, and drove away with his clean clothes.
Rush Limbaugh spent the 90s mocking gay men who died of AIDs, and spent the Oughts claiming homosexuals "seek to impose their perverted views, their depraved views on family and marriage" and that they are were trying to "assault traditional marriage". He was a voracious racist, once saying, “Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”, and "the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons". He once told a black female who called into his show to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back." He called Obama an "affirmative action President" and would play a song "Barack the Magic Negro" on his radio show. When a caller on the show said that black Americans should have a larger voice on political issues he responded, "They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"
When Conservative media howled about an approaching "immigrant caravan" in 2018, Rush stated "The objective is to dilute and eventually eliminate or erase what is known as the distinct or unique American culture...This is why people call this an invasion.” This was the precise language used by the murderer who killed over 20 people in El Paso in 2019 in his anti-immigrant manifesto who wrote that he was "defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.”
He said all of this and more to an audience of millions for decades.
His entire career is one of lies and callous vitriol. He helped lay the groundwork for contemporary Conservative media, for figures such as Glenn Beck, Ben Shapiro, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and others who have continued to transform the GOP into a multi-million-member death cult, culminating in the Donald Trump presidency and subsequent Qanon zealotry. For better or worse, there is no such thing as Hell, otherwise he would certainly be rotting there for an eternity. Otherwise, we can take solace in the fact that the last several months of his life were likely considerably painful given his lung cancer. The world would have been a better place if he was never born at all.
And yet... people like Rush, Alex Jones, and Donald Trump, who appear to value wealth and celebrity above all other concerns, do have the capacity to :heart: LOVE :heart: . Granted that this great love doesn’t extend beyond their own skin but a love nevertheless.
My present wife of 34 years no, the other 2 yes.:cry:
I presume you knew already when you used "they". :lol:
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 24, 2021 at 13:57#5026830 likes
Has anyone here experienced something called the "Imposter syndrome"?
It seems prevelant in the 20-30yr olds and I am trying to discern the difference between my generations "fake it till you make it" and their syndrome.
To me they don't seem to have a difference. Maybe someone can help me out with it. :sparkle:
[quote= Megan Dalla-Camina] the most limiting part of dealing with imposter syndrome is that it can limit our courage to go after new opportunities, explore potential areas of interest, and put ourselves out there in a meaningful way.[/quote]
[quote=William James] Action seems to follow feeling, but really action and feeling go together; and by regulating the action, which is under the more direct control of the will, we can indirectly regulate the feeling, which is not.
Thus the sovereign voluntary path to cheerfulness, if our spontaneous cheerfulness be lost, is to sit up cheerfully, to look round cheerfully, and to act and speak as if cheerfulness were already there. If such conduct does not make you soon feel cheerful, nothing else on that occasion can. So to feel brave, act as if we were brave, use all our will to that end, and a courage-fit will very likely replace the fit of fear.[/quote]
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 25, 2021 at 18:13#5030280 likes
@praxis
Thank you so much for your help. It is an awesome starting point to reframe the feeling to go with the action. :flower:
Several Dr. Suess books have been banned for being racist and consequently their value as a collector items has skyrocketed, so if you have any racist Suess books laying around you just got a little richer. :chin:
"What the Mexico case demonstrated, however, was a key difference between liberal and neoliberal practice: under the former, lenders take the losses that arise from bad investment decisions, while under the latter the borrowers are forced by state and international powers to take on board the cost of debt repayment no matter what the consequences for the livelihood and well-being of the local population. If this required the surrender of assets to foreign companies at fire-sale prices, then so be it."
Reply to jamalrob
Wow ! Brilliant poster. Did it start the Russian Revolution ?
I just found another one dated 1914, banned in the German Empire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women's_Day
Translation, anyone ?
Reply to Amity It was crucial in the February Revolution (March in the Gregorian calendar), and then the Bolsheviks made it a national holiday, as it still is today here in Russia.
Reply to jamalrob
I thought at first you were kidding me.
I had no idea of the role of women in that Revolution. From wiki:
On 23 February O.S. (8 March N.S.), Putilov protesters were joined in the uprising by those celebrating International Woman's Day and protesting against the government's implemented food rationing.[31] As the Russian government began rationing flour and bread, rumors of food shortages circulated and bread riots erupted across the city of Petrograd.[31] Women, in particular, were passionate in showing their dissatisfaction with the implemented rationing system, and the female workers marched to nearby factories to recruit over 50,000 workers for the strikes.[32] Both men and women flooded the streets of Petrograd, demanding an end to Russian food shortages, the end of World War I and the end of autocracy.
Since delving into family history - particularly both grandads' experience in WW1 - I have been in awe and dismay at the conditions of both men and women.
Today I start an online genealogy course (FutureLearn). It covers not only documented data as basis for research but puts it into context - flesh on the bones. The historical and social aspects bringing ancestors to life.
This fascinates me.
I have elsewhere called such qualitative material 'the gaps between the snaps'.
Biographical facts, photographs or posters are fine but so much lies behind.
They can lead to much richer stories...
I wish I had the time and energy to spend on starting and maintaining a thread.
If I had, I might 'Choose the Challenge' as per International Women's Day (IWD) to discuss and share how many women have been influential in our lives and how little thanks they receive.
Not only women, how many times do we thank people in general ?
Do we even think of our ancestors and their contributions ? I'm beginning to appreciate their lives and the conditions they lived in. The experiences they survived in e.g. WW1.
It is amazing I am even here to write this.
I remember quickly skipping over Book 1 of Marcus Aurelius' Meditations.
So many people he thanked. One mention of his mother and later a brief reference to sisters.
From my mother, piety and beneficence, and abstinence, not only from evil deeds, but even from evil thoughts; and further, simplicity in my way of living, far removed from the habits of the rich.
And it wasn't until today that I realised the role of women in the Russian February Revolution.
Thanks to @jamalrob :sparkle:
Celebrating the day :party:
Global pics. Quite the range of colour and issues.
The only one that jarred with me was from London, England:
A black and white set up.
"Female police officers and special constables talk to a suspect following a stop and search in Southwark during an all-female operation by the Metropolitan police, the first of its kind for the force, to commemorate International Women’s Day"
The most surprising from Bahadurgar, India.
A field of gold.
Female farmers at a protest against new agriculture laws
The most striking black and orange. Tel Aviv, Israel.
A woman outside the district court holds a placard that reads: ‘I refuse to be next’, as others stand next to mock coffins to represent women killed as a result of domestic violence
The most impersonal. A heart from Vladivostok, Russia.
Windows are lit at the Primorye Territory government building to form the shape of a heart.
Main image of joy and a flask from Athens, Greece
Women join a demonstration in front of the parliament building.
Any excuse for a party :cool: and look at the :mask:
My mother, who died when I was 12. I remember her, but it was so long ago. My brothers and I definitely have a lot of her genes
My stepmother. She was no kind of mother to me - she didn't marry my dad till I was 30, but she is my children's wonderful grandmother. She took care of my father during the year he had cancer before he died. Maybe most of all, both before and after my father died, she kept our family together. Provided a family home we hadn't had for a long time. My biological family get along pretty well, but we tend to fly off in our own directions. She made a place where we could be together.
My daughter - Really smart. Appreciates ... not appreciates, tolerates my jokes and other quirks. Loves her brothers and loves learning our family history. I call her Twinkle even though she's 38.
My closest friend - I've known her since High School, 50 years. Probably the smartest person I know. She see's the world in a really different way than I do and she has changed the way I think about the world. Loyal and true. Serious, but laughs at my jokes. Does not suffer fools, of which I am one.
Reply to T Clark
I love what you say and the way that you say it. Bullet points can sometimes be a bit stale and sterile. Yours made me want to read more of your wonderful story.
I thought that it was going to lead to a wicked stepmother scenario. So pleased it didn't but as usual it raised more questions.
What is it to be a mother - define 'motherhood'. I found a blog which undefines it:
https://undefiningmotherhood.com/why-undefining/
My mother is the one who taught me to say 'Thank you'.
A story oft repeated was when I was very young and we visited much older female relatives.
Apparently, I charmed them when leaving at the front door ( I remember the smell of honeysuckle ) I turned round and said 'Thank you for the tea and biscuits'.
Clearly coached, I wonder if a curtsy was also part of the piece :smile:
Also, Mum encouraged me to write letters after receiving Christmas gifts. That's how it clicked with me that there was no Santa Claus. Anyway, why would Santa give me navy blue gym knickers :brow:
They were definitely not on my list whereas books were always appreciated.
( Hmmm, thinking about it, I never wrote wish letters to Santa - that's where I went wrong ! )
Letter writing was always important to me. And I still love to read that format.
The first book, of that ilk, I remember was 'Daddy Long Legs' by Jean Webster:
Judy, an orphan, writes letters to her anonymous trustee for 4 years without receiving a reply.
She tells him about the books she is reading:
They include Alfred, Lord Tennyson's poems (including Locksley Hall), Vanity Fair, Rudyard Kipling's Plain Tales, Little Women", Matthew Arnold's poems, works of Robert Louis Stevenson including Treasure Island, Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte, The Portrait of a Lady, On the Trail, the plays of William Shakespeare including specific mention of Hamlet and As You Like It, Marie Bashkirtseff's journal, Jane Eyre, Life and Letters of Thomas Huxley, William Wordsworth's Tintern Abbey and poems of Percy Bysshe Shelley, Lord Byron and John Keats.
This kind of mention in books - or letters - encouraged me to read more, and more...still does.
Would love to hear more about letter writing in philosophy. Who wrote what to who and why...
I'll give you an engineer's perspective on what it means to be a mother. Your biological mother is, of course, your mother. Beyond that, it is a woman who, for better or worse, is built into the superstructure of who you are. They knew you from before you can remember anything. More importantly, you knew them from before you can remember anything. They, along with your father, taught you what the world is.
Reply to T Clark
Interesting and debatable perspective .
Hallmark, for one, would definitely have a wider view; a more commercial take re Mother's Day, disowned by its inventor:
Anyway, best leave it there. Don't think that a mini thread is what The Shoutbox is all about.
Someone will be along soon to tell me to get off my soapbox :scream: :smile:
Lovely chatting to you.
Reply to Khalid Never sign up to a philosophy forum on a Friday, it's managements day off so there is no welcome committee around until tomorrow.
But hi there anyway.
Reply to Khalid Most of the time we don't really chat around here, we are snobs and have discussions. :wink: There is not even a chat attached to the forum. Most of us don't spend that much time here for it to be useful.
This is the only thread where it is permitted to have little conversations in, the rest are for the discussions about serious stuff.
You should look around and see if there are any threads that interest you enough to participate. Think about what you write though.
Have fun.
I shudder thinking I made a million or 10's of millions off of Bitcoin in my 20's when I had the chance to invest in it. What a pointless and wasted life that would have been.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMarch 14, 2021 at 16:40#5102940 likes
@Khalid
Sorry for not welcoming you!
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!
Enjoy your stay :flower: @Shawn
Did you invest? If so, what coin are you into?
Doge is a fun one to watch as is Raven.
I hope life is treating you well :flower:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMarch 14, 2021 at 16:49#5102980 likes
30+ years ago, I started my formal education at the Scottsdale Community College, home of the infamous Artichokes!
I took time off to raise our children and did a kick ass job!
Now as our eldest is graduating with his Bachelor's degree in Simulated Science his Mom is also graduating with two Associate degrees!
He is continuing on to get his Masters either in the USA or Australia and I am continuing on to ASU for my Bachelor's in Social Work with a Master's as my final destination as well. We are an excited group of people heading into a world full of love and happiness
:party: :love:
He is continuing on to get his Masters either in the USA or Australia and I am continuing on to ASU for my Bachelor's in Social Work with a Master's as my final destination as well. We are an excited group of people heading into a world full of love and happiness
Congratulations to both of you. My 35 year old son is going back to school now with a goal of a social work degree too.
Congratulations to both of you. My 35 year old son is going back to school now with a goal of a social work degree too.
Thank you ?? I am excited to hear your son is going into social work. I'm confident that good listeners will always be needed. I was a bit surprised when I called to book an appointment with my personal social worker and I was told his first opening was 3 weeks away and that was for an established patient!
The gal who was booking me said that mental health assistance is a rare commodity.
My jaw is still dropped to think that a process of helping others is a "commodity". Maybe I am naive but when I think about a commodity, I think of a thing, like cattle or cotton not mental health.
I have talked to my loan processor about my path and she told me that when it comes to repaying the loan, because of it being a social service career, that after 10 years of loan payments the rest is forgiven.
If that is the case, then it not only behoves the student to continue on to their Masters and then their Doctorate but it also fosters me to get a dual Bachelor's and a dual Master's degree if desired.
What are your thoughts?
I also carry a personal student loan of 100k for my parents loan on my youngest indians college AND then will add on my continuing education price. His Master's degree will shake out to be 250k max and mine 80k through my Masters. So my choice of career happens to have that contribution to society as long as I work in the mental health field and teachers are afforded the same.
It's a crap shoot because we don't know what politicians are going to do over the next 6 Year's when we are looking at payback.
His Master's degree will shake out to be 250k max and mine 80k through my Masters.
College is like baseball tickets. When I was young, a middle class or working class person could go to college and come out with little or no debt. Now you have to be rich or mortgage your life. No one can afford to go to Fenway Park either.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMarch 15, 2021 at 19:36#5106630 likes
My son was a bartender before the bottom dropped out
My other son who is 24 is in the Visuals part of events from golf tournaments to huge music events for 10k people and up. I told him when we grasped the length of his imposed pause to move back to the ranch with us and I am so blessed he did. True children leave one by one and come back two by two, with two dogs as well. I'm just super blessed that they choose to move here as opposed to somewhere unsafe. It's a good bit more in the food budget but other than that, it really has been a pleasure hosting him and his partner of 4 years. They don't want children yet and I can understand why as unstable as the world is right now. But I tell them that this is what change looks and feels like so make sure you take note of your trajectory and take an updated self inventory so when we are allowed back into the world, you are set up for success!
With demented people you have to play into their delusions to keep them calm. You have to shrug if they get insulting or try to hit. It's hard to keep seeing them as human. The only true communication is at an animal level: caress their foreheads till they stop screaming and go through sleep.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMarch 21, 2021 at 17:43#5130400 likes
@All members
Does anyone get caught up on defining words with friends or their significant other?
If you don't, how do you know that you aren't misinterpreting what they are saying?
With demented people you have to play into their delusions to keep them calm. You have to shrug if they get insulting or try to hit. It's hard to keep seeing them as human. The only true communication is at an animal level: caress their foreheads till they stop screaming and go through sleep.
My Granny got early onset Alzheimer's at the age of 58 which I will be seven years from now and it was 3rd generation skipping my Mom who is now 76, so there is a likelihood of my developing it as well. My Granny survived 12 yrs past likely diagnosis and she went through a long phase of slipping away and we had to move into her reality in order for her to not get agitated. Now? I would have given her CBD tea (if Dr. approved) to calm her. Because of how long she suffered my Mom had asked to not be given anything to save her life, even antibiotics for the common cold if her mind is gone.
April 1st is meh. Remind me when June 4th is close for Advocatus Diaboli.
:cool:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMarch 25, 2021 at 13:12#5144960 likes
Graduation is coming up for my youngest indian :party:
He was a leader of one of three teams competing worldwide!
Check it out! Proud of an Eagle about to fly with his final colors of his plumage!
unenlightenedMarch 27, 2021 at 22:07#5155800 likes
Lost in Translation
I'm not much watching a French film, and a woman says, (but in French, and the subtitles render) "I have this talent, I can instantly guess the number of letters in any word." The others proceed to test her by saying a word, and she immediately says the number of letters.
The subtitle translation has a problem; it correctly translates the word, but then has to use the number of letters in the translated word rather than the translation of the number the woman says which is the number of letters in the French word. French students do not learn your numbers from this film!
unenlightenedMarch 28, 2021 at 09:36#5157180 likes
Reply to emancipate Yeah, think so. I wasn't really watching the film, but happened to see the subtitles translating 'quatre' as 'seven' and so on. A neat example of how self reference in language fucks up translation.
Is any one of you in cahoots with the illuminati? Or are bunch of you a mini illuminati of some sort?
Yes and yes.
Now be quiet or you will be receiving a visit from one of our brethren.
And in the future, if you are brave enough to mention us it is Illuminati,. With a capital I.
Went to the local hospital and shouted "vaccinate my ass, bitches!". They said "that's not how it works, sir". I said, "ok, my fucking arm then". Still didn't get one. Ireland sucks. Wanna be in AmERica.
Went to the local hospital and shouted "vaccinate my ass, bitches!". They said "that's not how it works, sir". I said, "ok, my fucking arm then". Still didn't get one. Ireland sucks. Wanna be in AmERica.
I'm sorry for clarifying but you want to be here?
Okay what did you do with the real Baden?
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 03, 2021 at 15:08#5181390 likes
When I was reading another one of those goofy science discussions about how the world really works, I had an inspiration! I'm going to stop responding in writing. I'll just post this:
I’m sure that’s true, but it never stopped them from dropping the axe before. Personally, I don’t really care, I just skip nonsense threads, but I thought the change of habit was curious.
Actually, my sister lives in North Carolina now. Most importantly, they have a pool.
You should stop by the Hanover Estate. I have a new place, got a pool too. Some guy has been doing the dead man float out there for days. Very convincing.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 04, 2021 at 15:24#5185990 likes
@jamalrob will be the beneficiary of our interaction! Another plus formed between us!
(I am going to become a sponsor so I can upload @Benkei pictures of his Spring selections)
:lol:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 04, 2021 at 15:25#5186000 likes
You should stop by the Hanover Estate. I have a new place, got a pool too. Some guy has been doing the dead man float out there for days. Very convincing.
A) Why aren't you at a house of worship? Even better question is why am I not at a house of worship?!?
B) When did you hide the eggs?
C) That's Bernie, check his mittens. :gasp:
I understand the first but I am troubled about the second. Why the sideway call out @Shawn
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 05, 2021 at 14:20#5189770 likes
@Baden I realize that I am not versed in current threads and thought I would look to you to point me to the front page discussion about the USA's open border and the number of catch and release asylum seekers are being issued BEFORE being tested for COVID-19 before being sent around the country or our local bus station?
I seemed to have missed the outrage of the children detainment centers operating at 700% over capacity.
Probably some stuff in the general Biden thread. I gather the situation is bad there but I don't know enough to comment except to say that if large amounts of migrants are determined to get into the US, it's virtually impossible to stop significant numbers achieving that goal. That's a huge problem for communities on the front line, I know.
Probably some stuff in the general Biden thread. I gather the situation is bad there but I don't know enough to comment except to say that if large amounts of migrants are determined to get into the US, it's virtually impossible to stop significant numbers achieving that goal. That's a huge problem for communities on the front line, I know.
I'll take a look. As it stands for the month of March we had 171,000 souls cross our border illegally.
It's heartbreaking :broken:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 05, 2021 at 18:19#5190390 likes
Lately I've gotten into discussion with some people and realized I have been diagnosed and medicated for bipolar disorder wrongly for years. I'm almost certain I have ADHD. Talking to people who have been diagnosed ADHD later in adulthood felt like meeting my long lost twin or something, strikingly similar mental and personality quirks. After I get the COVID vaccine, I'm going to see a specialist to get a full test. Many of my life problems might finally get fixed.
[s]Urgent help required ![/s]
Recently have been using Google Translate without any trouble.
But when I went there a few minutes ago - everything but everything is written in Chinese characters :roll:
[s]No idea how to change this :brow:[/s]
Now fixed :smile:
Had to clear cache - or something...
Which vaccine did you get? Yeah, I had no side effects other than a sore arm the first time around, and then felt like I was getting the flu for about 36 hours after the second. My arm hurt even more that time. Pretty funny, after the second shot I woke up the next day and thought I was feeling ok, so took the subway into the city. By the time I got off I felt like shit, so I wandered around like a zombie for awhile and then went home lol.
There's < 0.1% chance of a fluke.
So, these muons are acting differently from what the standard model says.
Like what you'd expect in case of some yet unknown force, or interacting with some unknown particle.
Finding something not quite there in the models ... excitement ... discoveries ... :)
I'm not sure if I fit your idea of my being an "authoritarian" person but my kids would definitely vouch for me being a governing force.
My friend @jorndoe has never come across as authoritarian in nature but maybe he is with the Mounted Police Force of Canada?
Not likely because if he was a rider chances are I would know by now.
Men in uniforms coming to help .... Fanning myself :love:
The two old Voyager probes are still going and making new discoveries.
Once they reached interstellar space, they both independently found an increase in (plasma/electron) density.
Not like going from the air into the ocean of course, but remarkable (and unexpected) nonetheless.
A couple of theories have been suggested about what's going on, more to come.
I suppose this might have implications for further interstellar exploration.
What the hell, has everyone got a sore throat? No one has shouted in 3 days.
I've been separating a twenty year relationship between two really close friends, with some success but not without the shedding of my blood. :groan: Numerous times over many weeks. The scars will be with me till I die. :worry:
The two friends are a beautiful Mesquite tree and the arms of Cresote bushes. :rofl:
I had to get rid of 5 coconut trees a couple of weeks ago. I did not want to get rid of one in particular, but the stupid neighbor built a wall near it and was being damaged by the roots.
why didn't you tell the stupid neighbour that the coconut trees were there first? 'Love thy coconut tree'
I did, but the tree was maybe a bit too close to the property line to get into an argument about. Lucky i have several others that came from that one so I still have those great coconuts, big and sweat. :wink:
And now for some bad news, the shit storm will arrive in a few years.
https://theconversation.com/first-human-monkey-embryos-created-a-small-step-towards-a-huge-ethical-problem-159355
What if they put a hole in your neck so you could breathe and then blood started pouring out of the hole and when the guy comes to help you, you're like irritated about the hole thing?
At least 44 people have been killed and about 150 injured in a crowd crush at a Jewish religious gathering in northern Israel attended by tens of thousands of people, in one of the country’s worst peacetime disasters.
Children were among the dead, Eli Beer, the director of an Israeli volunteer ambulance service, Hatzalah, said. “Unfortunately, we found small children trampled there, and we performed CPR. We were able to save some of them,” he told Army Radio.
The crowds at Mount Meron were estimated at about 100,000. Permission had been given for 10,000 people to attend the largest event held in Israel since the start of the Covid pandemic last year.
Dov Maisel, the vice-president of operations for United Hatzalah, said the organisation’s volunteers had seen “very, very difficult sights. Sights that we haven’t seen here in Israel since the worst days of terrorist rage back in the beginning of the 2000s. I have no words. I honestly have no words.”
No words, huh ? How about ''unfucking believable'' :sad: :broken:
I want to search for a phrase, say "free will." I don't want posts with just "free" or "will," I want the whole phrase. I've tried putting quotes around the phrase in my search. That didn't work. Is there a way?
'Professor Mark Solms, Chair of Neuropsychology at the University of Cape Town, will adopt a multidisciplinary approach.
He will bring in perspectives from a range of disciplines, to explore four specific aspects of the mind- subjectivity, intentionality, consciousness and agency. Together, these will help us think about the fundamental questions: what it is to be a mind, why we have a mind and what it feels like to have a mind.'
It's moving north everywhere. The Antarctic Circle is also moving North, but at a rate of 9 miles per year. I don't know why the rates of movement are different.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 11, 2021 at 15:56#5343820 likes
OK, so it is not a major change in the poles. Now we know that those that live near the coast have to look for higher ground.
It isn't related to climate change. It is the result of cyclical changes to the tilt of the earth.
I just found a unit error in some of the webpages I have been looking at. They mixed up meters and kilometers. Actual movement is about 50 feet/year north for both the Arctic and Antarctic Circles.
If the angle of the poles change, not the poles themselves, then certain areas would be exposed to more heat from the sun than usual. If the north pole tilts towards the sun then the polar ice would melt because it has more exposure. And the southern ice would increase because of less exposure.
Not sure about that though.
Interesting piece of info about the magnetic pole.
Over the past 150 years, the magnetic North Pole has casually wandered 685 miles across northern Canada. But right now it's racing 25 miles a year to the northwest.
Kid A is only an okay album. OK Computer is their best work. Jason Pierce finally liberated, at least, the United States from the cult pathology of whatever Radiohead, who is a pretty good band, knows with this video and there is not better contemporary music than the most well known track by Sonic Youth, "Teenage Riot". People tell you that their best album is Sister. It could be Evol, A Thousand Leaves, Washing Machine, Murray Street, or Daydream Nation, but it sure as shit is not Sister. I don't want to invoke objective truth in music criticism, but the opening song to that album is kind of its only good one. They say it's Sister, though, and, so, this goes on.
While I'm on about the social ecology of the U.K., "Lola" of Lola Versus Powerman is us. They have listened too well of Hilary Clinton's talk of "deplorables" and have failed to understand what we either see in or admonish of "wealthy white trash". We believe in freedom. We don't believe in cons created because of Vampire Weekend. I have even come around to like them, but, what I'm trying to explain is that the wind beneath the wings of this song were us. We are good, chill, and cool. See it that way, the U.K.. Your government kind of made things so as to leave you only with us to think about. We are what is good, y'know? Just let the good become all the more better. You can't believe in anything other than the Democratic Party, anyways. They can say that Olivier's was better, even though he cut Ophelia's soliloquy, but is there anyone in the world who can give an objective list of the best recorded productions of Hamlet? It's only through such appeals that the cult pathology of such imaginary classes continue to subjugate. The Fascist in your mind just wants for you to decide upon what recorded version of Hamlet is objectively the best. Please don't attempt to consign me to the American Right by that account.
The Shoutbox is back on the main page, moved to a new category (currently closed to new discussions) called "Symposium" (maybe it needs a "the"), and pinned at the top. I'm hoping that it will once again become TPF's lively social hub.
The former home of the Shoutbox, the Lounge category, is still hidden from the main page, so now it might languish even more than before, or become a dump or purgatory. But so be it: there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Personally, I feel like my attempt to rig my social capital so that it isn't detrimental to me by what is good faith ought to just simply pass. I can't bail until it passes, man.
I couldn't even put myself on that sort of immanent plane, y'know? Just not having negative social capital, I think, especially as I just kind of want to generally bail, ought to be generally agreeable. It'd just be fairly vengeful otherwise. I just want for my life to be chill, y'know.
There are plenty of people who have done this in my life for plenty of reasons that I kind of doubt that anyone has. Just making good about whatever and taking off is what there is to do now. I feel like I am being fairly reasonable, here.
It's all just a bunch of crazy bullshit because of the crazy bullshit problems in my life. My bad. There's not much of a reason to think about it anymore. I plan on just taking off or whatever. I have to leave well enough to do so, though.
Dr. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. (Civil Rights Leader): Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.
But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later...
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Dr. KING: ...the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself in exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition. In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men - yes, black men as well as white men - would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds.
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Dr. KING: But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt.
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Dr. KING: We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.
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Dr. KING: We have also come to his hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time...
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Dr. KING: ...to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. 1963 is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back.
There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, when will you be satisfied? We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: for whites only.
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Dr. KING: We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our Northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: So even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: I have a dream that one day down in Alabama with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today.
SOUNDBITE OF CHEERS AND APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE
Dr. KING: This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning: My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrims' pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that, let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last. Free at last. Thank God almighty, we are free at last.
On October 5, 1877, his speech, as he surrendered to General Howard, immortalized him in American history forever:
"I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed. Looking Glass is dead. Toohoolhoolzote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say, 'Yes' or 'No.' He who led the young men [Olikut] is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets. The little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are — perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired. My heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever."
Having the Shoutbox on the front page again will give me a chance to have my brilliant humorous work read by a larger audience. For example:
Less famous Star Trek quotes
“Oy, vey, it’s the Romulans.” – from Star Trek the Next Generation (STNG) Season 5, Episode 4 – “Data Converts to Judaism.”
“Tribble stew, that is a very logical solution.” – from original Star Trek (OST) Season 2, Episode 5 – “The Trouble with Tribbles.”
“Q, you asshole, it’s been 350 years. No, Trump didn’t win.” – from Star Trek Deep Space 9 (DS9), Season 1, Episode 5 – “Q-less.”
“No, Captain, are ye daft? We can’t go ‘warp bazillion.’” – from OST Season 3, Episode 4 – “Kirk Goes to Rehab.”
“Shit, I can never remember. Am I Six or Seven of Nine?” – Star Trek Voyager (STV), Season 6, Episode 4 – “Borg, Schmorg.”
“Since 1775 there have been 24 valiant ships with the ‘Enterprise’ name, not counting the one fucking Kirk lost to the fucking Klingons in a fucking card game.” – from STNG, Season 5, Episode 22 – “Imaginary Friend.”
“God damn it, of course you ‘sense great pain, great anger.’ I just got my dick caught in my zipper.” – from STNG, Season 3, Episode 19 – “Captain’s Holiday.”
Yes, I know I posted this previously in the Lounge, but now I can make everybody read it. Thus we return to the Golden Age of The Philosophy Forum.
Spot on. I like the aesthetics, the special effects were ground breaking in their day, the music is very atmospheric, but it's not science fiction. It's wizards in spaaaaace! The moral philosophy of the light/dark sides is polarising, metaclorians are not a scientific explanation for magic, and the story of the six films was fatally damaged by trying to tell it backwards. I think Lucas must have daddy issues!
Went back to my old job. They begged me. It's good to be irreplaceable. Demanded a pay rise and a big reduction in workload. :party:
Not to burst your bubble, but you should never go back. That's the rule. Never go back to an old girlfriend, never go back and live at home with your parents, and never return to an old job. The reasons you left have been forgotten, but you'll soon be reminded upon your return.
I would suggest that you remove the rearview mirror from your car like I did. What's behind you is there for a reason and you don't need to look at it. If you were supposed to look back, God would have made you backwards.
Disclaimer: only do this if your car is faster than other cars when driving onto the freeway.
You know what annoys me? It's those back up cameras and I the blind spot light that blinks on my side mirror when a car is passing. All this technology is distracting. I get all these blinking lights and beeps and it makes me second guess how far I have to back up and whether I can change lanes. I've had exactly zero instances when I've wrecked or just rolled over something behind me. I can live without this lazy technology. When you back up, you're supposed to turn completely around, put your hand over the other seat and smack your kids as your arm flies across the car.
Not to burst your bubble, but you should never go back. That's the rule. Never go back to an old girlfriend, never go back and live at home with your parents, and never return to an old job. The reasons you left have been forgotten, but you'll soon be reminded upon your return.
That's what I said after their first offer. Their second offer included ridding my workload of all the things that made me leave in the first place.
But it's easy enough to quit again if I don't like it.
My goats are thriving. They're grass eating machines. I'm thinking about getting miniature donkeys. "Life is too short not to have donkeys" said no one ever.
My goats are thriving. They're grass eating machines. I'm thinking about getting miniature donkeys. "Life is too short not to have donkeys" said no one ever.
Reply to jorndoe
Some would argue that if "true" only serves a function in language use, it's just meaningless to try to nail down the truth-aptness of unverifiable statements. What's the point of that activity? I think it just has to do with realist angst.
Reply to Shawn Why was Cleanthes so amused by donkey's eating figs? Donkeys get tired of eating thistles and other rough plants. The deer in Minnesota have developed refined tastes. They will stand on their hind legs to get at hanging baskets of impatiens. You would think that such unusual foraging would not be necessary given there are tons of corn. wheat, and beans to eat, plus all of the other wild plants.
But they, like Cleanthes jackasses, wearied of the same old thing.
The donkeys had probably eaten all the figs off the tree that Jesus checked out, found figless, and cursed. JC was short tempered when he was hungry.
You suggestion that Hanover keep pigs is apt. But pigs present problems. For one, they are intelligent. For two, they are much closer to us than primates. (This is a fact that Darwin and the biology establishment has conspired to keep secret. However, a quick comparison of pigs and people will show that they the close relationship is obvious.). Cannibals reference human flesh as "long pig".
I guess that I'll just leave you all with that, I guess. In so far that no one else responds to my thread on Cybernetics, I'll say, "so long!" So long, I guess! It's been fun in ways.
Those right-wing intellectuals have just been making a joke about how it takes forty years for them to figure out what they've been up because they just don't look it up.
Anyways, unless anyone responds to my thread, I'll be taking off. So long!
Just came across this one. I'm sure people have all kinds of opinions on this stuff, with the reference to the US independence thing and all.
Sounds reasonable to me. Any area where you care about having equal outcomes is one where you probably want to avoid having external motivators like profit. Experiments with for-profit schools (Trump university, anyone?) and prisons do seem to support that conclusion.
For-profit healthcare with lots of regulation works decently well for the richer countries, but plenty of poor people get left on the sidelines.
No, but they are externalised by equality of outcome!
We seem to understand the term "equality" in different terms. The formula for equality I'm used to is "treat irrelevant differences the same and relevant differences different."
I used to have a full sized cow Swiss/Charolais cross with 2ft horns. Used to live in the cellar at night. So one day I was picking rosehips in her field, and being very nosey, she comes to see what I'm up to and just for fun I gave her a handful. She really liked them. And thereafter in due season, anyone who was tired of life could visit Ermintrude in her field and die laughing at her trying to pick rosehips with her large tongue without getting the thorns. If you do not have access to a cow, feel free to try and pick them with your own tongue yourself.
The formula for equality I'm used to is "treat irrelevant differences the same and relevant differences different."
Now you're talking about disregarding arbitrary characteristics. Equality of opportunity is desirable, regardless of arbitrary characteristics like race, sexuality, gender etc. Equality of outcome is unjust because nature distributes talents and abilities unevenly.
FRONTLINE
The Healthcare Divide
FRONTLINE and NPR investigate the growing inequities in American healthcare exposed by COVID-19. The documentary examines how pressure to increase profits and uneven government support is widening the divide between rich and poor hospitals, endangering care for the most needy.
If you do not have access to a cow, feel free to try and pick them with your own tongue yourself.
My goats' favorite food is whatever is out of reach. The field is overgrown with plenty to eat, but they insist upon sticking their heads through the fence to eat whatever's there or jumping at branches to grab leaves. Maybe they're creating a new Aesop's fable, teaching us about how we want what's beyond us when if we looked we'd see it was all around us.
It's either that or they're just stupid goats.
Their other favorite foods are corn chips and rice cakes, but there's no fable to derive from that.
Yes? The operative term here is still "equality". Had I meant "the same outcome", I'd have said so.
Equality of outcome is meant to signify that we are concerned with getting everyone to a similar level (e.g. of competence if we talk about education). But that's describing a priority, not a method.
Now you're talking about disregarding arbitrary characteristics. Equality of opportunity is desirable, regardless of arbitrary characteristics like race, sexuality, gender etc. Equality of outcome is unjust because nature distributes talents and abilities unevenly.
This is just saying "equality of outcome is bad". A conservative talking point without substance, since it provides no definition for either "equality of outcome" or "equality of opportunity".
This is just saying "equality of outcome is bad". A conservative talking point without substance, since it provides no definition for either "equality of outcome" or "equality of opportunity".
So when you said equal outcomes you did mean equality of outcome?! It's not just a conservative talking point. It's obvious that a road-sweeper and brain surgeon - should be recompensed differently, because why then bother to go to the trouble of becoming a brain surgeon? Further, there's loads of road sweepers. Anyone can push a brush. Very few people have the talent to become brains surgeons. And if you can't see that, I can only assume you had brain surgery performed by a road-sweeper.
It's obvious that a road-sweeper and brain surgeon - should be recompensed differently, because why then bother to go to the trouble of becoming a brain surgeon?
It's obvious therefore that there are no competent brain surgeons, because all the smart people became stockbrokers.
Okay then, sure. I have a degree in politics, and I'm telling you these terms have specific meanings, but if that's not what you meant, fine. You know what you meant. That's what counts!
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 22, 2021 at 16:31#5403140 likes
Woo hoo and hot damn!
I have missed you so much! @Hanover goats! Such a shepard you are. @Sir2u The beers are on ice my friend :flower:
Can we agree that there is an idea that "The only constant in life is change"?
I'm not endorsing it just asking who agrees with that and who doesn't. If you don't agree may I be so bold to ask why?
I'm literally in the middle of change and I am of the belief that when it comes to life, career "Do what you love, do it honestly and the 'rest' will follow." It has been my goal in life just to leave people feeling better for having interacted with me. True sometimes I have to rise up to the challenge.
The Shoutbox is back on the main page, moved to a new category (currently closed to new discussions) called "Symposium" (maybe it needs a "the"), and pinned at the top. I'm hoping that it will once again become TPF's lively social hub.
So does that mean the Shoutbox will be hidden within the Symposium ?
And the Symposium will be a lively social hub ?
Including Music, the Arts, and Everything with Batteries Included ?
Drinks on the house ? :party:
It's all a very elaborate joke. God actually made the universe entirely deterministic, but set up it's starting conditions so some assortments of matter would express the idea that they had been granted free will by god.
Even the simplest decisions, such as 'fight or flight' even if they are in each instance entirely determined, can only be made under the assumption that they have not been determined. I determine fight IFF fight is not predetermined and flight is possible.
Even determinists necessarily believe in indeterminism.
It's all a very elaborate joke. God actually made the universe entirely deterministic, but set up it's starting conditions so some assortments of matter would express the idea that they had been granted free will by god.
And then waited 13.8 billion years for the punchline.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 22, 2021 at 23:47#5405000 likes
Song lyrics to be identified without the use of the internet:
"And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me..."
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Thank you for sharing your feelings. Sometimes I feel like I am the only voice desiring that feeling connection. :flower:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 22, 2021 at 23:59#5405050 likes
@Baden
I looked and could not find the post where you said that I might have been right all along.
But I read it and I think you might be right. :razz:
I bet you that you a month or so from now the proof will be in the posts in the shout box.
If I lose, then I will make a donation to The Philosophy Forum in your name.
If you lose, you make the same donation to The Philosophy Forum in my name because that will allow me to post pictures here!
Deal? @jamalrob Are you okay receiving donations? @Benkei Did you want to get in on this bet?
McCarney -- and now that I looked it up, Lennon as well. The first voice I heard (in my head) sounded like Elton John. I suppose dozens of covers have been done. But before I looked it up, McCartney's voice shone through the darkness.
The album came out roughly 51 years ago. I remember it well.
Lounge category, is still hidden from the main page, so now it might languish even more than before, or become a dump or purgatory.
The unfortunate thing for the 'Lounge' is that the mods use it for dumping 'rubbish' threads.
Will the 'Symposium' simply be a 'Lounge' free from mods' cast offs ?
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/540324
Will the 'Symposium' simply be a 'Lounge' free from mods' cast offs ?
Maybe. So far it's just a way of getting the shoutbox on the main page, but maybe, somehow, it could be used for something else. Currently only staff can add new discussions to the Symposium category.
a new category (currently closed to new discussions) called "Symposium" (maybe it needs a "the"), and pinned at the top. I'm hoping that it will once again become TPF's lively social hub.
So far it's just a way of getting the shoutbox on the main page
Ah OK. Understood.
The 'Shoutbox' seems to provide a sense of social connection for some. A way to feel close. For others, not so much...
A 'Symposium' including the natters, the music and creative type threads might add more life and be more engaging.
Currently only staff can add new discussions to the Symposium category.
What kind of discussions are likely to be added if it is to become 'TPF's lively social hub' ?
Perhaps:
Transfer of some existing Lounge threads e.g. music.
More personally creative stuff e.g. poems, stories...
What ?
Nocturnal Precipitation with Best Thinker - Counter Punch!
It is a matter of moral urgency that rain only occur at night. How many people, waiting for buses have suffered indignity and disease as a consequence of being rained on, going about their rightful business in daylight hours? How much plant growth, solar power, and light has been stolen by totally unnecessary day time cloud cover? Depression associated with deprivation of natural light is a well documented, and preventable medical endemic. This suffering must stop! Nocturnal precipitation is the answer. It should only ever rain at night to preserve natural light for those who need it!
It should only ever rain at night to preserve natural light for those who need it!
The radiant rainbow rescue association strongly opposes this proposal. The majestic appearance of the rainbow clearly outweighs any negative feelings associated with rain. In addition, the search for the pot of gold provides an aspirational goal for those of our community who are less well-off.
What kind of discussions are likely to be added if it is to become 'TPF's lively social hub' ?
I don't know. I don't even know if the Symposium category is going to have any other discussions. It's about the shoutbox and that's as far as my definite thoughts have gone. I'm just saying there are possibilities.
The radiant rainbow rescue association strongly opposes this proposal.
The RRRA are Noah loving radicals; who care nothing for real world human suffering.
China ultramarathon: Severe weather kills 21 runners
"Twenty-one runners have died after extreme weather struck a long-distance race in north-western China. High winds and freezing rain hit participants in the 100km (60-mile) ultramarathon in the Yellow River Stone Forest, a tourist site in Gansu province, on Saturday. The race was halted when some of the 172 runners went missing, and a rescue operation was launched. Many of the stranded runners reportedly suffered from hypothermia."
Nocturnal precipitation could have prevented this tragedy. How, morally - can you see such suffering and oppose nocturnal precipitation?
I don't know. I don't even know if the Symposium category is going to have any other discussions. It's about the shoutbox and that's as far as my definite thoughts have gone. I'm just saying there are possibilities.
OK. I'll leave it there.
'Shoutbox' appeasement :roll:
Those who shout loudest and longest...
Reply to counterpunch At last an ally! Down with the damn commie rainbow alliance! My calculations show that nighttime precipitation alone would halt global warming and end starvation. Mind you, anyone who participates in an ultramarathon deserves everything they get and more.
Reply to unenlightened Nocturnal precipitation is indeed the cure for everything; but I cannot have the movement hijacked by hatred for marathon runners. You are entitled to your opinions, of course... we're not the RRRA! We exist to assure people their right to go wherever they will in daylight hours, at whatever speed they so choose, unthreatened by the scourge of diurnal inclemency!
So does that mean the Shoutbox will be hidden within the Symposium ?
And the Symposium will be a lively social hub ?
Including Music, the Arts, and Everything with Batteries Included ?
Drinks on the house ? :party:
What kind of discussions are likely to be added if it is to become 'TPF's lively social hub' ?
— Amity
I don't know. I don't even know if the Symposium category is going to have any other discussions. It's about the shoutbox and that's as far as my definite thoughts have gone. I'm just saying there are possibilities.
I knew you were. I almost didn't respond for that very reason. Then I thought it might be fun to go at it and see which of us could be more passive-aggressive.
So, you're betting I'm wrong about you being right and I'm betting you're right about me being wrong about you being right, right?
I knew you were an administrator for a reason!
Yes you're reading it correctly.
Now, what are the conditions of this one time, one grand payoff to get a member banned?
I mean I love you and all but I imagine many would miss you more :cool:
But being the eternal optimist, may I suggest that a sizable one time donation might allow us to unban a member?
Maybe?
Like S ?
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From the mind
Of one vine
--Kaga no Chiyo
Frustrated
?
It's hard to talk about when I don't really know if it applies to me or is being projected onto me.
Chances are it applies to me but at 50 yrs old is it safe to say that it's who I am?
Or should I once again try to change it within me?
Who's making the call?
Any suggestions for who might take these classes?
Any suggestions as to who should be mandated to take these classes?
Offer them to politicians, they seriously need them and have lots of money to pay for them. Even though it is tax payers money, they still accept it in the super market.
:lol: :cool:
But that would make me the one paying for the politicians to better themselves. I say we cut to the chase, save us some bank and not vote them in again.
Problem solved. :cool:
Next?
No, the rest of the tax payers would do the funding. Your part would be very small, insignificant really.
Count it as an inversion, you pay a dollar and get a hundred back.
Then everyone can still not vote for them. 2 problems solved.:cool: :halo:
Next.
Let me tell you what fun it would be to toss popcorn into each other's cone. At least you would see their smile and hear their laughter.
:100:
Please I am begging you..... :monkey:
They're only doing regular margarita and pepperoni, but they were out of pepperoni.
OMG.... Tell me about the smell of the place. .. :eyes:
It just smells like what it is; some of the best pizza on the planet, haha. Super light crust, slightly sweet, tangy sauce, fresh mozz and I think grana padano or something, fresh basil. Simple.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/lucali-brooklyn-3
Whimpering..... :fire: :100: :yum:
Excellent glad you liked it, get the calzone next time
Gotta say I've had the calzone and wasn't a huge fan; too much ricotta. OPS in Bushwick has my favorite calzone.
I mostly agree, but...when pizza is truly bad...
What is the point of all this killing, after he was given a heart.
He got really mad and everyone should praise him if what we only value is work.
Death needs therapy, kind Sir.
Death is life's self- control, and its path to renewal. Without death, no birth; without birth and death, no life.
It is only thought that cannot encompass its own end, and tries to imagine up without down. "Hush, Thought!", says Therapy, "life does not need your protection, be quiet, child and enjoy your parents while you can."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation_(film)
Never heard of Santa Muerte?
:100:
http://abahlali.org/files/Can_the_subaltern_speak.pdf
If so, can you give this poor ageing analytic white man the least idea of what the fuck she's saying that everyone thinks is terribly deep and important?
Something I just figured out...
I see you're at exactly 10k right now. Don't jinx it...
:100: :100: :100: :party:
:heart:
Nice. :cool:
https://historyofwomenphilosophers.org/ecc/?fbclid=IwAR3bWvGVzEJHLhZHDSERmcyvYKyDuUPpOCFGA-1yTiIIEJKmc3iSNmABRLA#hwps
Skip James is the shit. :fire:
Fill me in! I feel like I need to be intentionally slow with my Tarkovsky consumption.
Skip James has some especially soulful songs. His open d minor tuning on the above songs gives them a pretty haunting tone.
While I can play these songs passably (they're quite hard to pull off), I cannot at all match Skip's falsetto style (he transitions seamlessly between high pitch falsetto and low tones).
Here's my third favorite Skip song (this one is played in standard tuning, but his vocal range is very clear here)
All blues music is meant to be sad or morose (as the name promises; love loss), but Skip's music often veers dark. There's almost nobody like him (The good Blues god Robert Johnson is the closest comparison i think).
Can anyone recognize a more recent song that the above inspired? :D
Maybe that'll be the opening lines for my next blues song and in like 100 years people will post my videos. Do old videos start out in black and white or do they turn that way as the years go by, like my hair?
Unfortunately nowadays videos get crisper and crisper over time, so in 100 years your old age will be all too apparent.
Ain't nothin to worry about!
"Neoliberal economic theory [is] a protection racket for the rich."
Try going to some of the google news or any newspaper site's reports and read the comments at the end. They are usually worth more than the actually report. Always good to make you feel better and smarter than the rest.
Lots of fun for free.
We aren’t duped, we’re trained from birth.
Have you ever looked at the Breitbart comment sections? It’s hard to believe they’re real people.
I will check it out later, never really looked at it except when referenced as a source somewhere.
Try the Sun if you are having a bad day, some of the best laughs outside of a Benny Hill show.
Sounds good, I'm drawn to the slightly more surreal aspects of his work, but this is a good indicator that I should check it out. The Mirror is possibly my favorite film ever at this point. The dream logic in that film almost reminds me of some aspects of a record I put out last year, and I didn't see The Mirror until completing that record. Wild shit.
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What the Bible really teaches about Prophecy, and the deception that has left you unprepared for what is now happening. We have print and video on what is occurring, but we only want to hear from sincere Christians who are clustering underground. To hear more send your name, and postal mailing address, and we’ll mail you the location our underground websites.
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Jesus Christ....
On the dark web?
Hacker Jesus...
:chin:
Sounds like a 5/10 straight-to-VHS feature...
:death:
Very sad to hear that. How bad is it? I mean... is it much worse than what you have described before? Or is it just wearing you down? Hope you are ok...
It's getting worse. I find existence unbearable lately. I think the CIA did a brain implant and are manipulating me. In horrific ways.
:razz:
Oh? Working as a phone counselor? That could be interesting, i think...
Not the happiest of jobs, but, it will do.
Good for you, dude. :strong:
I'll have to build up some courage for it; but, I'm pretty sure I can do it.
Damn right you can, bro'.
I feel ya mate. Keep on teaching, while I therapize.
:up: Hope you get it. Please keep us posted. From what you’ve written over the previous few years, it seems imho like you know this subject matter inside out, front to back. That’s not even counting the philosophical aspects...
Thanks! I'm really hoping to get back from the e-mail I sent.
Heck, you got a degree from the school of hard knocks. Show them your posts here, maybe, if they want insight into you. Just don’t give @Hanover as a reference, whatever you do! :rofl:
Hanny? Mayybe. @Hanover, what have you heard about this? Eeek.
Hey, is that a job you could do from home? That would be cool... and probably healthier. Sit in pajamas, help some people, make a little money, while surfing the Internet. Nice...
JOb job, it ain't that simple, I suppose. I'll have to show up at a work station.
Yes, that makes sense. Professionalism and monitoring calls and all that. Could be difficult at times, of course. But i bet the atmosphere is fairly chill and relaxed... to keep the counselors loose and refreshed. Just guessing, though.
Joking aside, I think you're onto something.
Can you post in my Programming and Deprogramming thread?
Dude, I am super limited on time BUT you will find the suicide hotline an incredibly fulfilling purpose for living. When I was 16 I went through the training for a program called Teen Lifeline here in AZ which is a suicide hotline as well as somewhere teens can call for themselves or a friend. After my training I was hired on as a counselor at The Boy's Club for the next 2.5 years which consisted of hours of Foosball, Four Square, arts oh and homework. Super awesome time in Life
But you have learned the skills of how to handle the suicide thoughts so very well that you my friend have become an expert in how to get through them AND if you have any doubt, look in the mirror and see the success of continuing life with the closest patient to you! Rock it and live on!
They're booked; but, still reaching out.
:strong:
Wow, that is good news! With everything going on, might be the nicest news I’ve heard in a while. It’s still early in the process, but it’s inspiring. What’s that saying about the best way to feel rich or happy or something is to give away what is sought? (Example, giving away money to experience the feeling of wealth.) Anyway... keep running for daylight. :sparkle:
Thanks, hadn’t noticed that one. Will check it out. :up:
Where'd you see that?
Google it. Google never fails.
Right? Did Russia go batshit?
All good. It's so fucking troublesome to myself also, as a world citizen.
He signed a law to propose Constitutional amendments that, among other things, will reset Presidential term counts, allowing him to run two more times. It still requires approval via referendum and he'd still need to actually run and win again.
It's already been decided.
pLANT TREES WITH SEARCHES, PEOPLE!
:grin:
it's quite.... Unusual...
List of unusual deaths
Best thing I have seen on wiki in a long time.
It's just all kinds of "what the fuck?".. Like... "The Botson Molassacre"?...
What the fuck, humans...
There's a documentary series about that. Highly recommended...
The poor bastards that were sawn in half were the saddest I think, I doubt that anyone can come close to imagining how that felt.
But yes, humans are pretty fucked up creatures.
Trying to do the doff correctly
Then it's working in a rain forest of breath and sweat
One wreck after another
Then we finally start to give up
One after the other, zooming their goodbyes
Now as the wrecks roll in and we see them with different eyes
Lock down getting to you is it?
Stop watching the news, it makes your life miserable.
Excellent :up:
Her favorite flower is roses.
Mine is the Gardenia. Gorgeous the day before the blooms open, intoxicating to the senses, petals more abundant than the Rose but just as easily bruised. The beauty is short lived but worth the wait until the next one blooms. :flower:
https://tricycle.org/filmclub/my-soul-drifts-light-upon-a-sea-of-trees/?utm_content=bufferf947a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR0F8535tjhB6ozffhpRMP3tCiTLUb-pumQ9qLJGrIEd0thMU_ovUDOYL7g
Perhaps he just didn't want to live in a world without his wife... Which is kind of romantic... In a fucked up and macabre sort of way...
Lucky you, I wish that I could say that.
Happy birthday. :party:
My 32nd in a couple of weeks. Planned another trip to Thailand. Now I'm just going to be stuck at home alone.
When lockdown's over I'm going to have to make up for all this lost time.
Happy birthday my friend :flower:
I hope the next year of your life holds the greatest love, laughter, good health and happiness you could ever imagine.
There is a reason you are here... even if it is just to be a proud member of our little group of 'thinkers' and that is enough for me.
Cheers :party:
Happy belated!
An odd fellow, but decent, and worth reading. I hope he decides to come back. Politics, eh?
Quoting Name Email Password Security
I'm not the boss of you, but I'd recommend not posting a screed of stuff, but put a précis up and a link. Long long posts are annoying, and don't get read. If it's interesting, make a new thread, even in the lounge.
He was good on Wittgenstein. Last thing I expected was he'd leave because of this issue. But then I didn't expect the NDE stuff either.
In person, limited capacity, face to face classes at the University for summer session B starting in July. :flower:
The best of the best are still being trained to patrol our skies above in those big metal birds :flower:
:party:
:cool:
:pray:
Super sad to see him go as well, but also noticed his account is still here. Mods maybe don't delete him?? I was always glad to see his reasonable discussion of NDE's, even if I didn't have much to contribute, other than personal experiences that didn't quite fit the bill for inclusion. Really hoping he comes back.
We usually don't delete straight away in case someone changes their mind. But everyone has the right to have their user name and personal information deleted if they want.
Stay healthy my friends :heart:
No, bears don't have legs. That's my position and if I keep on repeating it, it makes it true.
Why'd auto-correct want me to say 'handles' not 'hind legs'? No one has ever talked the handles off a donkey.
Yes, they have. You must be getting your information from some crazy zoologist. Academics, hah! There. I win.
I picked up a few Donkey Handles at the liquor store on the way home from work. I'll report back soon as to whether or not they've been talked off.
Praxis had posted a non-https image URL.
Does anyone know anything about a donkey with only front legs? He must have escaped from the circus.
By the ducking way .... who got us grounded?
And for the fools who think that an Apple product will work? Buahaha come on man..
I get the desire for a new pair of Jordans, not worthy of stealing but Apple? Really?
Not to make too much light about it but Apple products? :lol:
On a new note, my Dad fell on his hip last night and once again a loved one is taken into a hospital ER and is waiting to come home. Dad is a DNR, DNI, Don't give a flying fig but was willing to go with the Fire Fighters. Result is a severely bruised hip. 300 lbs and his pain level a 10. God bless my Mom who has to bring that bear home.
Could someone please tell 2020 that we have had enough?
Ps even though the ER is minutes away from NicK, we are still forbidden to see either of the COVID 19.
I posted something not philosophical. Happy? Yes.
Is that the best "happy" you have?
I'm not sure watching the video was worth the mobile service charge I am getting but it's better than "roaming" charge I normally am tagged with in life.
:rofl:
Just stumbled across it and found it weirdly hilarious. :smile:
Not to hand, but in lieu of that, perhaps you could educate me on your state's closest neighbour. I've always been fascinated by Azerbaijan.
Now that is hilarious. :rofl: :lol:
I'm more embarrassed by the truth, which is that it's Alabama.
https://lithub.com/celebrate-george-orwells-birthday-by-reading-his-scathing-1940-review-of-mein-kampf/?fbclid=IwAR13KgdgCCHD-fb7EzMWM5wCY07bfnrrNsDva-0AXBu69u9CzeInwwOhQiY
Used to read his posts on the old forum, nice guy
At least he's pro vaccine?....
True; He demand one to come immediately.
Was a joke but yeah...I like how if you pause the video at exactly 0:00 they appear to both be in stances that vaguely suggest to me some sort of fighting stance...they're both ready to fight...each other? God? Satan?
They're fighting COVID-19.
Oh right, I'm an idiot
I just looked it up, he's 83 years old.
Seems like a reasonable man...
I can barely watch this shit. "Jesus help me"
Major fuck that shit
The video or the millennial whoop? :lol:
Can't hide my hate for the whoop
I might get in serious trouble for this, but what do you make out of this playlist?
Love me again - John Newman w/lyrics
OMI - Cheerleader » LYRICS ? ? ? ?
Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now (Lyrics)
AWOLNATION - Jealous Buffoon (Audio)
Tones and I - Dance Monkey (Lyrics)
Macklemore - Can't hold us Lyrics
Regard - Ride it (Official Audio)
Otto Knows - Million Voices
Sigala, Paloma Faith - Lullaby (Lyrics / Lyrics Video)
Clean Bandit - Rockabye (feat. Sean Paul & Anne-Marie) [Official Video]
Izzy Bizu - White Tiger (Official Video)
Lyrics David Guetta feat.sia - Titanium
Dynamite-Taio Cruz (lyrics)
Nobody To Love - Sigma (Lyrics)
Sigala - Give Me Your Love (Official Audio) ft. John Newman, Nile Rodgers
Calvin Harris - I Need Your Love (Official Video) ft. Ellie Goulding
Dj Fresh Gold Dust Lyrics
Bounce (Radio Edit)
David Zowie - House Every Weekend (Official Video)
Dynoro & Gigi D'Agostino ? In My Mind (Lyrics)
Wilkinson - Afterglow
Avicii ~ Hey Brother (Lyrics)
OneRepublic - Counting Stars [Lyrics]
Walk The Moon ~ Shut Up and Dance With Me Lyrics
Bastille - Pompeii (Lyrics)
Avicii - Wake Me Up (Lyric Video)
Jax Jones - Breathe ft. Ina Wrolsden (lyrics)
Faul & Wad Ad vs. Pnau - Changes (official video)
Reload Sebastian Ingrosso ft. Tommy Trash and John Martin lyrics video
MGMT - Kids (Lyrics in the Description)
Swedish House Mafia - Don't You Worry Child LYRICS
Rihanna - We Found Love (LYRICS)
Rudimental - Waiting All Night ft. Ella Eyre Lyrics
MK - 17 (Official Lyric Video)
One Kiss-Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa (Lyrics)
Sigala, Becky Hill - Wish You Well (Lyric Video)
Rudimental - Feel The Love ft. John Newman [Official Video]
Pitbull - Timber (Audio) ft. Ke$ha
Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho (Lyrics)
Flo Rida - Good Feeling (Audio)
Example - 'Changed The Way You Kiss Me' (Official Video)
Rag'n'Bone Man - Human (Official Video)
Calvin Harris, Rag'n'Bone Man - Giant (Lyric Video)
Meduza - Piece Of Your Heart (ft. Goodboys)
Yeah 3x - Chris Brown (Lyrics!)
DJ Got Us Falling in Love - Usher Lyrics ft. Pitbull
Rihanna - Who's that chick Lyrics
Calvin Harris & Disciples - How Deep Is Your Love (Audio)
Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (feat. MØ) (Official Music Video)
George Ezra - Shotgun (Lyric Video)
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/426996
This is my last post (I swear).
Pretty feisty for an old guy. Doesn’t he have enough money yet? Daddy needs a new Learjet?
I've heard of about 10 of those artists, so I have no idea. I'm officially old.
Tryna get one tomo. I look very not sexy right now.
I'm in that world right now minus the cool curls.
I'm done with this decade. :fear:
So skipping right to 2030?
Oh my gosh it's an option?
Hell yes! :fire:
PF went down for a while! What was the reason?
I'm not really sure but another member from Canada experienced the same.
Is it possible that Mr. Smooth Trudeau does not like us? :worry:
:death: cult
You may not, but I can offer you some quinoa.
That looks like a dirt path.
Road tripping with the Grateful Dead, kids dog and cat???
How are the spuds? I am willing to bet that they are better than grits! :yum:
You look like a dirt path.
6 of us touring the trails. Leaving ripples in still water. Covid has kept the crowds down, so that's good , I guess.
Yes, 6
Wow, there’s roughing it and then there’s putting your feet up in a pseudo log cabin in Idaho. Don’t forget to try the potatoes while you’re there. Should be something special.
Jelly
You're such a stereotypical NYer
omg have you used caviar tho?
Not from, but currently located yes
Nice, where in BK if you don't mind my asking?
Kensington.
I was referring to the delivery service, but I realized after I posted it wouldn't be read that way...
Nice. Ditmas Park was the first neighborhood I lived in in Brooklyn.
My man with the phone in. :clap:
Yes, get to Di Fara asap.
only place in Midwood that isn't haha
Scratch that
You pay for it.
True.
I meant never mind about getting to Di Fara asap if you're kosher. Unless you're asking me to pay for the pizza in order for you to eat it...
In that case why haven't you been yet? :rofl:
I don't have anyone to go with. :cry:
Solo dates to the best pizza spots in the world are gold my friend!
I'll put on on my bucket list.
No one does; just go get pizza, as @Maw suggested.
I resemble that remark
Yeah, that was the point.
I do relate to her in a fucked up sort of way, though.
Dude it flew under my radar for so long, but it's currently at number 2 on my list second only to Di Fara. In front of Scarr's, Best, F&F...and yes I have an actual list, smh
All NYers should
That show is my bible
I recently graduated to a classic Italian combo sandwich list. Esposito's Pork Store in Carrol Gardens is currently number 1.
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Did you see the fountain that was not made by the hands of man? I hope you did and snapped a picture of it to share. :flower:
6 huh.... well maybe there will be a HUGE celebration when September comes :party:
Distant learning is not enough here in the USA as many kids get their meals from the school. Socialization happens in school. Teachers are instrumental in this, how do we protect our beloved both student, teacher and by extension their families. Child abuse is often identified in school. And one parent families cannot return to work without school reopening.
Then we have our University students and staff. Teachers may not be happy with distant learning but many students are going into their Senior year of their degree and if you think back to that time in your life, you will remember how influenced you were by your Professors. Then graduate school students that are working on their Master's degree or a Law degree that is in its final year.
I am concerned about the quality of distance learning because I am taking it and it works for some degrees and for people my age and maybe others. I know my Indian is paying $4k for a class in his final year, this year because it is in person with Professors that have had to have 5 years industry experience in addition to their Master's degree. I believe I will be paying for online classes at $1,200 a class at ASU. Up until now I have been at community college for my Associates degree and it costs $300 a class, online or in person.
How can the students be expected to pay premium prices for on campus learning if they are expected to learn remotely but know the difference.
I'm looking for ideas....
What are your thoughts @Sir2u @Hanover @Banno @unenlightened
Anyone else?
It's just too much for me.
There's not much to say about this decision.
Have a good time, and stay well.
Please be gentle to yourself(s).
Thank you.
Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says
Andy Maxwell; Jun 2020
It's illegal to change some configuration of your own legal Windows 10 installation?
Apparently no parts of Windows are being copied elsewhere (or pirated), rather it's all local, and the setup is optimized for security.
Would these still be illegal if not posted online for other to see? I guess so.
Are we talking Big Brother here?
I subscribe but don't watch much...I would appreciate recs. I've mostly watched Tarkovsky films, which I absolutely love.
"...with a pocket full of shells!!!"
[sorry, poetic brain connecting phonemes.]
Hope you stick around, friend.
Last night, I discovered I needed a haircut. I was mildly confused and intrigued. This is how boring my reality is. I'll have to go visit @Hanover's potato log cabin to spice things up.
When you say you you're coming by to spice things up, what does that entail?
Quoting Noble Dust
I just finished Kie?lowski's Three Color's Trilogy which I thoroughly enjoyed. Also highly recommend Masaki Kobayashi's trilogy, the Human Condition, Samurai Rebellion, and Harakiri, the latter might be one the best movie I've ever seen. Also Aguirre, Wrath of God which is leaving the channel at the end of this month. One of my favorite openings and endings in a movie. I also want to check out An Elephant Sitting Still, the debut movie of Hu Bo who sadly killed himself shortly before the movie premiered and who was a protege of Bela Tarr. Check out Jean-Pierre Melville's Le Samourai. I also recommend the Italian classic, Bicycle Thieves, Kurasawa's Seven Samurai, Yojimbo and Sanjuro, Red Beard, and Ikuro.
I don't know, stoning you to death with raw potatoes? Sorry, that's all I got, bruv.
Did you get this @ArguingWAristotleTiff?
No it doesn't.
That would technically be potatoing, which would be funny if it didn't describe how my grandmother tragically died. What happened is that I threw a hot potato at her to avoid burning my hands and was so amused at her startled response that I could not stop throwing potatoes at her until she suffered the sort of cranial fracture so typical of being potatoed.
I used to get potato wine by the gallon. When I had a batch checked it came out as almost 60% alcohol.
I'm more of a corn wine guy myself.
No, I didn't nor do I think others up the thread did.
I'll try it again.
@Hanover @Sir2u @Baden
How are you holding up? Do you still want to get outta NY?
Worked... So, I don't know.
:rofl:
Jeffery DelViscio; Scientific American; July 20, 2020
Anyone that didn't see this coming?
Yes
Why do you want to leave NY?
I'd just like to leave for a week or so, the city is pretty infamous for being overbearingly hot, stinky and confining in the summer, particularly in the middle of a pandemic. I will probably stay with some friends in upstate New York in August for a little.
It's been awhile since I've posted, but I just hope everybody is well and staying safe.
And you!
I don't blame you. Here in the desert the Monsoons are building but since all that surrounded the ranch was burned to the roots, I am anticipating a deluge of black ash mud.
Been better I think. Right now we are suffering from the lockdown. More than four months now and I have left the house twice.
The only good things I can think of are that I get to spend time with the missus and I don't have to get up at 4AM.
Jesus, where the duck are you?
Are you asking me or trying to get Jesus to help me? :lol:
I live in Honduras. The school I work at went virtual in April so I work from home. There is no public transport, people are only supposed to leave their houses once every 2 weeks unless they work in one of a few areas like health, food supply and a couple of others.
Quoting Maw
Just finished watching this one. Highly recommend.
That is tough. Hang in there. :strong:
I gave up on that one. I got chased out by fire, drenched in ash, wrung out to dry, soaked up a running river, while racing a marathon with two pentulant toddlers hanging off each leg, while following a map written in Italian.
God I gotta get a life
Me.
(*shares)
Quoting Noble Dust
I don't know the names of different kinds. In Spain, where I was living for a couple of years, anonymous olives are always supplied in bars for free with a drink, different kinds in different bars. I enjoyed most of them. I like green ones for General Munching, and often black ones for cooking. I also like eating the ones that are between green and black: red, brown, etc.
Quoting Noble Dust
I buy them sometimes to put in Greek salads, pasta, and so on.
In the south of France we had an olive tree in the garden so I tried turning them into edible olives. It took months and the results were disappointing. I don't know if it was a problem with my process or with the fruits themselves. Likely the former or both. Incidentally, during those few months of brining, old PF fell apart and we started this site.
FUN FACT: in Russian, the word for the pit, seed or stone in a fruit is kostochka, the diminutive of kost, which means bone. I.e., "little bone".
:fear: Oh shit I barked up the wrong tree!
From my pitiful little olive research, Castelvetrano's come from the eponymous region in Sicily, but the olive cultivar is a different name. But, in the US, in a bougie city like NYC, suffice it to say that, whether the kids know it or not, Castelvetrano's are the fancy olives of choice. And they are delicious.
You've totally put me in my place with your European travels; I can't replicate your olive-eating experience in these foundational locales.
And yes, it was an impassioned oversight of mine to leave off the role that pitted olives play in salads and cooking. My zealotry for snacking olives overtook me.
I'm sorry to hear about your failed olive tree, but my guess, based on limited knowledge, is that olive cultivation is a years-long process, not unlike the cultivation of grapes for wine, something I know a bit more about.
As to the little bone joke, I'll leave that up to the mods...er...
Maybe you enjoy your olives in the miserable New York winters even more than I did in Spain. For you, they supply a striking and welcome contrast, a ray of Mediterranean sunshine in your otherwise slush- and sleet-filled life.
Quoting Noble Dust
Yes, despite producing a lot of fruit, it was a lonely old neglected tree. Maybe the good-looking gnarly old ones are not so good for fruit as the young ones.
Quoting Noble Dust
Either make a dick joke or don't.
Please don't make me cry :cry:
Quoting jamalrob
For grapes, the gnarlier and grumpier the better the wine. I'm just being an ignorant asshole and assuming that olives work exactly the same way. Low yields=quality.
Quoting jamalrob
I sat here for a few minutes and realized I'm not Guido enough.
In France I cycled alongside the rivers Lot and Garonne to Bordeaux in August. Away from the river on high ground we stopped in vineyards and ate some grapes. I didn't even know if they'd taste good, thinking that maybe wine grapes aren't good to eat. But they were very tasty.
The vines were certainly gnarly.
Quoting Noble Dust
I didn't know that word, so thanks for that.
But Wikipedia describes it as an ethnic slur, of which I very much disapprove.
That checks out.
Quoting jamalrob
It's derogatory, but I guess in the micro-enclave of South Brooklyn NYC, it's multi-faceted. If you want to accuse me of racism by using the term...I'm probably guilty? Guido Lives do Matter... It just doesn't seem apropos to say so...
All right. The mods are mostly against a ban, so don't worry.
How do you feel about berries? Here in Russia at this time of year, they're berry crazy. The fruit in general is great. Big, plump, sweet, and juicy.
I was still joking and didn't actually think anything of it...but good to know I'm mostly in the clear. :groan:
Quoting jamalrob
I feel very strongly about berries. I grew up in the midwest of the US with only one berry: black raspberries; they proliferated in the backyard right around July 4th (Independence Day), and the taste of warm berries picked off the vine 30 seconds ago will never leave me. I've since lost enthusiasm for July 4th (please don't ban me!), but my love of black raspberries has only deepened, thanks to my lack of contact with them. What berries are you noshing on in Russia?
Nice. My relevant childhood experience from Scotland is blackberries. I once survived on blackberries for a whole day and night when I went camping and forgot to take food. Despite that, I still like them. Scottish raspberries and gooseberries are good too. Otherwise, the climate there is not so good for other berries, except for the wild ones like juniper, rowan, etc.
I didn't know about black raspberries till I came to Russia.
"World production of raspberries in 2018 was 870,209 tonnes, led by Russia with 19% of the world total."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry
Quoting Noble Dust
Many of my berries are supplied by my mother-in-law, who has a large fertile garden outside Moscow (warning: many of these are not berries): raspberries, redcurrants, blueberries, apples, cucumbers, tomatoes, garlic, peaches, nectarines, plums.
A berry I had seen on Scottish coastlines but never thought to eat is sea buckthorn, which is very popular in Russia, especially in juice form or to flavour ice cream and other desserts.
Also: mulberries, strawberries like they used to taste, blueberries, red and black currants, lingonberries, and gooseberries are popular. I hadn't seen gooseberries since I was a child in my Gran's garden.
The cherries, peaches, and plums here are large and impressive. They probably come from the south, or Uzbekistan, which is famous for its fruit. But Central Asian and Caucasian fruit, widely available here, is a whole other story.
Generally people in Moscow have a knowledge and affection for fruit, veg, and mushrooms, that far surpasses me and my compatriots. I speculate that this is because in the Soviet Union all Russian city folk with jobs had country houses for growing stuff, so it became traditional. But you also have to take into account my perspective here: Scottish urban people like me are not known for enjoying food that isn't deep-fried, or isn't curry, or isn't a greasy meat pie.
Another fun fact: in English vodka means the water of life, just as does whisky.
What does that say about the minds of the people that invent them?
Good book on the subject by Mark Forsyth, A Short History of Drunkenness
I didn’t realize how uncommon black raspberries were until I moved out and started doing my own grocery shopping. My parents still live in that house, but the raspberries are gone.
Your mother in laws garden sounds heavenly. I have a vague idealistic dream of eventually having something similar. What does sea buckthorn taste like?
Somewhat surprisingly, good seasonal fruit and veg is fairly easy to come by in NYC; there’s farmers markets, including a massive year round one in Union Square. It’s even active during Covid; I keep meaning to get over there. And Chinatown has endless outdoor markets. Regular grocery stores on the other hand are notorious for having terrible produce.
That's pretty much the shit you can eat in the woods around here.
Everything grows here though because it's really hot and it rains all the time, so if you want to have a garden, you can.
I hear the peaches down there are terrible.
You know nothing of the sweet Georgia peaches.
Damn, no one gets my lame jokes anymore. Maybe I should start using more emojis, @Agustino style :rofl: :nerd: :monkey: :worry:
You’re good with little bones. They say that if you stick with what you know you’ll be successful.
I don't know what that means.
Wa wa wa I just got the joke. Maybe that's what makes me funny; I have no sense of humor.
Sweet, a bit sour, a bit mango.
Quoting Noble Dust
It's the same here. The markets are great, but I hate them. The endless clamorous solicitations from the vendors when I'm trying to examine the produce, the lack of space, and the old ladies obliviously barging in front of me: it all induces a fight-or-flight response, and I end up like a conventional husband, waiting for my wife in the food court, ready to carry the bags. But it's a rational division of labour: not only can she banter with the vendors or just rudely ignore them (which is easy for Russians), but she's also small and fast and can scurry between the old ladies like a ferret.
Quoting Hanover
I had some blue honeysuckle berries recently. They were all right.
Quoting Hanover
The trick seems to be to add so much sugar to them that you can't taste the disgustingly sour fruit any more.
Whisky yes, but vodka is the diminutive of voda (water). So it's affectionate, something along the lines of "little water" or "sweet little water".
What it says is that those people felt that a life without their favourite alcoholic spirit is no life at all.
Sounds like an agreeable situation. American farmers market mongers are pretty chill. Often you can tell that the people running the register are just hired hands, so they don't care about sales (at least at something as big as Union Square). So I guess that means the farms themselves are big enough to hire sales workers.
Anyways, tomato season is just now popping off; someone remind me to stop being lazy and get down to Union Square to capitalize on the opportunity.
Do it. Only 32 minutes by bike.
That's weird, do you know my home address or something?
I can only assume you took detailed notes on that drunken short non-fiction story I graced you all with a few months back; the one about going on a ponderous walk and ending up with a snow white Moleskine journal. Which, if so, is pretty damn creepy. But it's ultimately my fault.
But don't worry, I don't spend much time imagining you and I'm not spying on you. You mentioned South Brooklyn a few posts back, and with a glance at Google Maps I seem to have been able to make you feel like you're being stalked. I didn't know it was that easy. :up:
Trust me, I'm not in a brownstone, and I'm paying pocket change when it comes to NY rent (knock on wood!!!)
Quoting jamalrob
I'm relieved. And yet somehow sad.
Quoting jamalrob
You got lucky; "south Brooklyn" is a loaded term with different meanings. It means different things based on generation. You got lucky, I think, because you googled and got the old school verbiage, which must have given you Union St. I'll say no more, so that my fawning fans are kept at bay.
Tell me more.
"South Brooklyn" used to refer to essentially south of Atlantic Ave (on the Western side) through to Red Hook, maybe all the way to what's considered South Slope now (around 25th St. at the most). But neighborhood definitions are constantly in flux; "Red Hook" for instance, used to extend from it's current bounds all the way into what's now considered "Brooklyn Heights" to the north.
Practically speaking, people like my current boss still refer to South Brooklyn as "below Atlantic down to the 20's" or so.
But in 2020, "south Brooklyn" more practically is a reference to the part of Brooklyn that's "all the way down": Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst, Coney Island, Sheepshead Bay, etc. But this is all a roundabout result of gentrification, sadly.
But the result is that, while "south Brooklyn" used to mean something specific, nowadays, a reference to south Brooklyn is pretty vague, and would presumably mean something like Bay Ridge...maybe.
This is all a ploy to make sure you don't triangulate my signal.
Love his writing. I've read Timbuktu and the Book of Illusions. Have to read more.
Yes, my friend. Why is there such a culinary trend in the shoutbox these days? I certainly have no experience fermenting my own dough...but as a NYC pizza asshole, I have many opinions. Good pizza is made from good dough. :party:
I've had countless failures in this battle, but I'm ready to give it another go.
What's your current fermentation time?
4 hours on the counter -- one day in the fridge.
28 hours sounds promising. I've heard tell of a 48 hour cycle. Again, I'm only a consumer of pizza, not a creator. Go forth! May your dough become magically light and airy.
I celebrate my anniversary date for joining here instead of my birthday now. It's just that important to me.
I think I joined here in the mid 80s. I can't remember. That might have been when I graduated high school, or it might have been when I lost my virginity to your mom. It all runs together after a while.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0cjjTz9QoH8vpA1U1j9ILKfwNNdiuzSAJvv4OuTMkBONWuPwJQI40xPvk
How can you not remember?
Wait... you are finally getting old enough to understand the failings of even the most AWESOME minds!
Whew...I was beginning to worry about it.... wait what was I talking about being impressed with...oh yeah your tattoo! Yes! That's what we should be sure is aging well. :starstruck:
Btw: I was adopted by PF in November 2009... I'm pretty sure.... :love:
I think my excessive consumption of energy drinks is killing my brain cells.
Yerba Mate all deh Breh
Thank you :sparkle:
No matter how much water I drink, it will never satisfy your thirst. It's that basic. :pray:
I'm running thin on optimisin my friends. I need people to have a little faith in me.
~ What lays on the other side? Mars Man knows if anyone does but his phone is a bit out of range.
One super giant double scoop coming up.
Make that vanilla, please.
I am sick and bloody tired of being locked up. Lock down really sucks. I have cut more grass in the last six months than I have in the last twenty freaking years, just to do something outside the house. I have decided that I am going to build a pool in December so that during the next pandemic I will at least be able to go swimming.
Working from home is wonderful though, no bus rides, no cold lunches, don't even have to wear pants. They say that we should be able to return in February. I hope so and I hope not, can't decide. I really should have retired last year but I need the money to do that.
Stopping here before I really do bore you.
How's things with you?
The only in-person human interaction I've had since 16th March has been two haircuts.
You have my most sincere sympathy. When they finally let everyone out the damn thing will probably explode all over the place again.
Feel free to private message me if you want to remain anonymous.
Thank you :flower:
Wait, I don’t get it... why is the dog staring contemplatively after eating philosophy... oh, I get it now. :grin:
I’ve tried learning by osmosis, but never learning by digestion. (wonders what The Complete Works of Kant would taste like).
OMG just the sound of her voice makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
I am waiting on a Professor to help get a Cisco WebEx meeting started. We agreed on 1:15 and I have been sending her emails every 10 minutes but I have another meeting at 2:00. LOVE remote learning
:confused:
And no I am not THAT student :roll:
Tapping my nails ..... ..... .....
How is life treating you? @Hanover @unenlightened @Sir2u @180 Proof @Baden @jamalrob
Hey @Banno How are you doing?
Yeah, I took the class before but withdrew because of circumstances but that was in the 90's. Now I am taking it at 50 and do you think the lady could at least drop me a reply note?
Very disappointed. Probably as disappointed as my Mom was when she paid for the class first time around. Okay I get it.
Karma's a bitch
Nope.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Nope.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Not very good.
Man, am I starting to sound negative or what?
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Yep.
I just realized that I should have said, according to common standards, "Not very well".
But I am reading about the history of the English language and the lady says that good has slipped from meaning just morally correct and is now acceptably used to refer to health and other stuff as well.
Now guess how freaking bored I am. :rofl:
Pretty good thanks Tiff, but I'm growing fat with big city life. I was lucky that I was in Moscow with my wife when the pandemic really kicked off, otherwise I'd have been stuck in Spain alone. On the other hand, in that case I'd have remained slimmer, more independent, richer, and more attractive, so... swings and roundabouts.
Lentils.
As in a fragrant, nourishing bowl of red lentil dal...?
The whole country was supposed to be in lock down, with only necessary services running. I have been working from home since the end of March.
Then they said that people with certain ID numbers endings could go out on certain days. So everyone goes out and the covid infection rate starts climbing. This caused problems because the number of people that were dying shot up as well. People dying is not so much of a problem now that they have figured out how to prevent most deaths.
But just getting sick is still a problem because of the total lack of hospitals ability to take in more patients and the inability of them to keep up with the treatment of the sick so that they do not die. At one point the hospitals were almost collapsing due to the quantity of people needing beds. They have been running around trying to improvise for months. And there is no sign of the thing going away.
I am going freaking crazy being locked up. I can only go to the shops once every to weeks.
AAAAaahhhhh.
I'm sorry to hear that but if it helps, I can totally relate! :flower:
Alone is not where I would want to be either but there are some trade offs :grin:
I'm doing fine on the weight but I am slightly frustrated that I had my oral surgery done just in time to cover it up with a mask! Timing huh?
In all seriousness I hope you know that my sanity or lack thereof is in great part due to my friendships here. It's world wide event that we can participate in without a mask or pants! :rofl:
{{{{Jamalrob}}}}
I'm already eyeing some chili recipes.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/workers-have-a-right-to-take-toilet-breaks-court-rules-20200901-p55r8y.html
And then I remember that no, everything is shit everywhere:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/01/queensland-police-officer-who-leaked-address-of-domestic-violence-victim-has-conviction-overturned
I made some last year, the beanless kind. Was a lot of work preparing all the chilies, but it was worth it. I used a pressure cooker.
Nice. I'm down for any chili, but to be honest I don't totally understand the non-bean version...I know some swear by it. Love me some kidneys though.
I am hoping that it goes north before it get here.
As if the freaking covid shit is not enough. Maybe I will post some pictures if it gets here.
That sounds stressful, but I do love the mental image of a storm just sort of lounging around across the street, lazily debating whether it wants to transform into a hurricane.
Quoting Noble Dust
Stressful is not quite the word for it, we have been scared shitless waiting to see where it would go.:worry: :worry:
Twenty years ago we had Mitch, it did a southern turn and headed over land then turned around and went back out to sea. It was a big mother carved a wide path way inland and on the way out it took a different route doing the same. I was sat int the middle of the 2 paths, it went inland to the east of us and came out to the west. 5 days of heavy rain with 30 and up to more than 70 mile winds.
You're right. :confused: hope you're doing alright.
The bloody thing turned into a hurricane about 80 mile from my house before going aground in Belize.
All we got was wind and rain. But plenty of both.
The one we had here 20 years ago killed thousands here and in neighboring countries. I have built my house to be flexible enough to give a little when needed without suffering harm. I also made tie down strips that I can install over the roof and anchor to down on concrete blocks sunk well into the ground.
I’d hate to be out at sea in those conditions.
Good. Sometimes it's too unbelievably relaxed, it's sinful. Building a pool is awesome! Do it!
Retire? What's that? In this epoch?
:smile: Not in my neck of the woods! People are gardening on concrete patios.
As some would say, where I was born, lucky bugger.
How do you do it, please pass on the secret.
Quoting Caldwell
Yeah, last year I made one out of old lumber and plywood, lined it with a big sheet of plastic and had many hours of fun. Already started buying the materials to start work when I go on vacation in November.
Quoting Caldwell
Eeerr, that is what I am trying to figure out.
Okay, stop talking and start doing.
:up: I'll send you an invitation when it is finished. Pay your own way here but food and drink is free while you soak up the sun.
Hi Hanover.
Greetings.
Strange and unusual movie about/with a number of philosophicalities, meta-cognition, Searle's Chinese room, mind, ...
For some reason, I sort of got a vague vibe of Philip K Dick'ish reality-inquiry.
Anyway, space-operas, guns blazing, and grand speculation/storytelling in lush settings are more my kind of thing.
But for the philosophically minded, this might be worth the hour and a half; there is some depth to themes.
Anyway... on to posting mostly music (that no one asked for, like this one
Meow!
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I can see it now, the wind howling, the sea churning, and you asleep dreaming of mujer hermosa while the hammock swings wildly in the gale. Your amigos getting tossed around on deck by the unrelenting waves as they try to pull you into safety. Then after a successful rescue one asking, “Como estas amigo?” and you reply “bien, y es señor para ti.”
Couple of problems with what they actually said to me though. I was a 14 year old kid, my dad was the captain. The chief mate said something along these lines. "Que joder la suyo hijo de la madre, que puta pensaba" The chief engineer said something in dutch that scared the shit out of me.
But the rest is about right.
Ummm...do you remember our discussions about objectification and women?
Yes, our discussions are coming up in my Victemology classes. :up:
Thank you for the enlightenment as it is paying off :party:
Tell us another... pleaseeeee!
:love:
Dutch always have that effect on me too!
:lol:
No, but I'd love to score a muse.
Because this is a philosophy forum, I think specific religious posts, that is all posts not related to philosophical theology, should be placed into a category very much like the lounge, anything to do with organized religion. Mention of Jesus, Miracles, Bible, Creationism etc. The theists on here are all liars, nearly all of them are Jesus worshipers and they are pretending to be natural theologians. This is worth thinking about. I know for a fact if this keeps up I will not participate in this forum, it's quite ridiculous to see a dozen threads on disguised-Jesus-religion going on at one time.
Why don’t you simply ignore those threads?
So stop bitching about them being wrong and prove them wrong. If, as you say, they are all liars all you have to do is show the evidence of their being liars. Instead of looking at them as a pain in the butt, take them as a challenge to your higher intellect.
I don't have abstract conversations about the existence of Unicorns. The burden of proof resides with the supernaturalist. Further, the discourse cannot be justified within the context of existence.
I'm a theist, I don't worship Jesus, and I don't pretend to be a natural theologian. Booyah! Atheist destroyed!
Then you recognize the danger and error of organized religion, most specifically, in the American context, the Jesus cult?
Lol no you idiot
Sorry, that was mean
If you're a theist and not a Christian or Muslim then there's a reason why. Tell me about why you reject Christianity for example?
Taking several steps back, it does not follow that because I'm a) a theist and b)not a follower of Jesus, that therefore I would c)"recognize the danger and error of organized religion, most specifically, in the American context, the Jesus cult", in your words.
If you're not aware of other theist alternatives to Christianity or Islam, then I'd recommend you keep reading and researching, as we all do.
And the answer as to why you are a theist and not Christian or Muslim, would be?
I'll quote myself:
If you're not aware of other theist alternatives to Christianity or Islam, then I'd recommend you keep reading and researching, as we all do.
I'm aware of what you said, but you confessed to be a theist in distinction to Christianity, I am asking you why? You made the sh*t sandwich, now I'm going to make you eat it.
I'm aware of what you said as well, and now I'm asking you to eat the shit sandwich you already vomited up for me to eat: educate yourself. In due time, if you're wise, you'll lose the enthusiasm you have that has turned you into an atheist zealot. With any luck, you'll retain your atheist religion, but your youthful zealotry will ebb. You'll learn to accept theists as we have learned to accept you atheists. Best.
I'm well aware of deism, pantheism, even theism, but these are not Christianity, and you specifically made the distinction that your theism is separate from Christianity, this means, through your theism, you already reject Christianity. If you deny this then you have merely validated the point you claim to be refuting. Thomas Paine was a deist and argued far more passionately against Christianity than anything I have done on this forum.
Look at the portion of my reply that you didn't quote:
Quoting Noble Dust
This is just an authoritarian sermon based on the presumption that your position and understanding is one of wisdom. It is not an argument, it is merely an unjustified moralist frame that you seek to assert without evidence. Thomas Paine was not unwise to refute Christianity, just like you are not unwise to reject it.
Everything I predicted will come true. Sweet dreams.
Oh nice, I see you added your signature bolded quote (yet not an actual quote) style. It means nothing.
One can hope!
Oh the humanity!
"No man shall Buy or Sell unless he has the Mark of the Beast. It will be on his forehead or his right hand."
Ever tried to enter a store lately? You're forced to have a little device on your head that emits a light (or perhaps a mark..) on your forehead .. or sometimes your hand is good.
Pretty crazy, huh?
I totally understand you. The need for time consuming fun and whatever is necessary instead of watching 'death tickers' and dystopian TV shows on Netflix all day.
Mine wasn't a purchase, but rather the discovery of free Korean Baseball (KBO) coverage on Twitch, Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) on bwin.tv and Chinese Professional Baseball (CPBL) via Twitter. (finally a use for Twitter!)
All this and sushi is 'replacing' my trip to Japan that was cancelled due to... well... you know why.
Yeah why watch the same recycled Netflix garbage when I can watch a lovely black and white movie about the familial and societal challenges that occur in immediate post-WW2 Japan starring the gorgeous Setsuko Hara
You mean we'll spend thousands of years universally beating, torturing and murdering theists around the world until eventually we arrive at a point where finally only some parts of the world are routinely doing that? Just as today only 14 countries still have the death penalty for atheism?
I hope not, feels like we can do a bit better than copy that experience. Careful when you talk about "we" and compare the bloody zealotry of belief with the mean words of non-belief.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. :roll:
Jersey seems to have a bit of an anti-theist attitude; I was suggesting that over time that will ebb as he matures. But I certainly could be wrong.
Quoting Paul
Indeed. :razz:
There's a shitload of guns in this country and they correlate to a shitload of gun death.
Is it like, pro-life on abortion and pro-death on the 2nd amendment?
Politicizing issues in order to herd the masses is a timeless practice.
Is it ok for getting back together with people?
Weddings, holidays, funerals? Know full well huggs will be had.
That makes 3 of us, you and me two. :lol:
But you are not alone in the desire to meet up with others. I have already been told that the earliest that I will be going back to work is February. :cry:
I know I am not alone Sir and I thank you for reminding me. My heart is tearing :broken: I am just going to have to do what I can do. If I leave, it won't be some big issue, I will just slip out and Uber home.
3 am thoughts :sparkle:
I can relate :sparkle:
A B.C. research project gave homeless people $7,500 each — the results were 'beautifully surprising'
[i]Bridgette Watson
CBC News
Oct 2020[/i]
Quit the usual stereotyping of poor people, please.
What's the new city?
I've been to Birmingham twice. The second time, I had a great time and ate some good Indian food. May you find success and fulfilment.
@Michael's busy. I'm sure everything will be fine when he gets his move sorted. Maybe someone else will do some work too. I wouldn't count on it though. :monkey:
:cheer:
Do you have the internet or does it really have you?
Sounds like the title to a real crappy thread with lots of conspiracy theory and cognitive biases... a philosophical piñata. ;)
Nice. My father and grandfather were born in Birmingham.
You're writing in Nelson? I can think of better choices, but, hey, it's an improvement. :up:
Unless you live in Cali like me your vote could count several times more than mine does, so you laugh at fellow Americans as well. So much for conservative patriotism and love of democracy. :sad:
Why don't we eliminate the Senate, considering Wyoming's two Senators have the same power as your two Senators, yet they represent a small fraction of the people that yours do?
Have you broken down the various House districts to be sure they all have an exact number of voters as well? We need to fix that. And why doesn't New York get 20 governors if it has 20 times the population as maybe North Dakota?
If we're going to take seriously the proposition that democracy requires equal representation of every person, then we need to fix this system riddled with problems.
With a google search for “online clairvoyant” and a credit card you could get lucky.
Talk to me, because I cannot read your mind from this distance. PM me is I can help with a long distant ear.
Something, everything, nothing, all of the above squared to the power of ten?
Thank you, I will. :flower:
[i]Feinberg and Mallatt
Frontiers in Psychology
Jun 2020[/i]
Ambitious
Sir Sean Connery
:gasp:
Would it be alright if I created a Screambox?
Right now I feel the urge to scream, part out of frustration about the lockdown since March and part out of fear about the freaking category 4 hurricane coming right at us. They seem to hit here rather viciously every 20 or so years, and we are sort of overdue for one.
The last one left us without power for several days but it stayed stationary for a while before moving in land. This one apparently will come at us from the east overland and hit us as it moves back over the water.
Please spare a thought for us as you raise your glasses, because I don't have any booze left to do it myself.
But the good news is that I managed to get some booze.
:grin:
Where I grow up, if you started crying while you were playing they would hit you again. You soon learned to suck it up and carry on.
Makes sense. Like if you had a lottery based on the two sides of a coin and you got to call both sides of that coin, you'd have a 100% chance of winning, whereas if you had two different lotteries based on two different coins and had to call one side of each, you'd only have a 75% chance of winning.
Yep.
On the other hand, if the jackpot is £10 and you buy both tickets on one game then your expected return is 1 * £10 = £10 but if you buy one ticket on two games then your expected return is 0.25 * £10 + 0.25 * £10 + 0.25 * £20 = £10.
This reminds me of the two envelopes paradox we discussed a while back.
Ah, yes, there's the rub. And it rings a (distant) bell.
If you don't buy any tickets you will have money for another pint or 2, and you will never miss what you never had.
The only winners are the companies that run the business.
Whoever wins will go through to Euro 2020. It's been 22 years since we (Scotland) made it to a major championship.
:grimace:
And Serbia equalized at the 90th minute? Damn that must be frustrating.
At least England won, and beating [s]Baden[/s] Ireland for the first time in 35 years. Some good news at least.
Thank you, Englishman.
:lol:
Yep, football. :vomit:
A game played by 22 people that run around a field called a "pitch" wearing funny little shorts, shirts that may have been used in a prison becuase they still have the numbers on them, and nasty boots with knobs on them, kicking a ball that used to be made of pig skin until they discovered plastic could be used.
Why they kick it so much is not really known and no one can remember when anyone was attacked by a pig so violently that such vengeance upon part of one of would be deemed so necessary. Worst still no one can remember any event where someone was abused by plastic.
The point of the "game" appears to be to place the poor ball into one of the well ventilated cages located at each end of pitch. Once again, violence against the poor pigs.
When one of the people actually manage to cage the pig gut, or the round plastic thingamajig, half of them seem to go into some form of ecstatic state and jump all over each other kissing and hugging and touching the others in what was once considered a most unmanly way. A point is also assigned to that group.
Most of these "games" are played before an audience, commonly called the "fans". These are made up of people that seem to have nothing better to do than throw away hard earned money to pay for the "privilege" their team(half of the 22 people mentioned earlier) kick the shit out of the poor ball while they drink beer and piss down the back of the people standing in front of them because they are too lazy to walk to the place that is assigned for those biological needs.
These fans also seem to be happy shouting insults at the people that have payed to see the other team of players and to be insult by them.
The insults, on some occasions, become so intense that a second round of kicking happens when they leave the field and find themselves in front of the other fans on the street. No points are assigned during this activity, maybe because they kick each other because the don't have balls to play with, or because there is no cage available to put the ball that they don't have into.
:fire: :100:
I'd advise you as a beginner to start with cryptocurrency. Forex has much more institutional (smart) money involved and your chances of gaining an edge are much more limited. +Crypto is currently in a boom stage.
A demo account's a good idea. Don't want to wet-blanket you because you could do very well if you do find an edge, but my brother was a professional trader and emphasized to me the extreme difficulty of beating the traditional markets day-trading as an amateur (if that's what you're considering). Too much of a disadvantage without institutional level tools, algorithms etc. and 95% of amateur traders are just there to provide liquidity for professional traders to drink up. Also, your own broker is likely to counter-trade you to make money (take the opposite of all your trades because they know you're going to lose).
:up: And best of luck!
How many freaking fucks am I supposed to get in a single year? Well I think I have had more than my fair share.
Covid and lockdown
Back pains because of all of the sitting down I do
One close call with a hurricane, no damage just scared
One very close encounter with a hurricane, no damage but really scared
Another hurricane coming down on us, really big one. Really fucking scared this time.
If any of you have any contacts in the godly, or other charmed entity areas, please put in good word for us.
:scream: :scream: :scream:
If you live alone then none because you shouldn't be out meeting people and bringing them home.
:lol: Not the fucks I am talking about.
It's good for learning. For example yesterday seemingly every currency pair sharply dropped at exactly 10:00 pm before bouncing back, I assume because lots of people schedule a sell at the end of the day (I checked and the same thing happened the day before). Unfortunately that momentary drop triggered my stop loss, almost wiping out my gains for the day. Went from +£210 to +£50. Lesson learned; close before 10pm.
The good thing about crypto is it's a 24/7 market, so it almost removes that complication ('almost' because sharp stock movements, which are time-constrained, can affect cryptocurrencies too). Anyhow, seems to me a huge opportunity in Forex for betting on a UK-EU deal, which is likely to cause a surge in Sterling v USD. Are you making a bet on that?
Oh, btw, amongst the mountains of crap advice out there, this dude knows his shit:
So's the forex market (except on weekends), so I don't know why there are sudden sells at 10pm.
While I'm learning I'm just using really short time frames (sort of; I'm setting it to close as soon as I reach a £50 profit, or lose £200, and that usually happens within tens of minutes). Currently with this strategy I'm 11/12 successful trades today with £420 profit.
I don't know if I'll learn much about how the markets move if I try for a longer term investment (and as it's not real money, it doesn't seem worth trying it out yet). But I plan on sticking with the demo account for at least a month, so I might try your suggestion.
I'll check it out, thanks.
Trump, QAnon and an impending judgment day: Behind the Facebook-fueled rise of The Epoch Times - Brandy Zadrozny, Ben Collins; NBC News; Aug 2019
Mental pollution.
The Epoch Times - Media Bias/Fact Check
humbly tending the desperate cries of the consumer til Need itself has become a silence too deep for death
Yep. On the north coast, and it is still raining.
Looks like it should dissipate soon hopefully
I am so blessed this year that it brings me to tears.
I am so very grateful for you guys being in my life :heart:
Lots of people have suffered this year. Let us all be glad that we are still here to talk about all of the shit that has happened, and take a moment to remember those that are not.
Cheers Tiff, have a cold one on me. I glugging down cheap Portuguese beer, $0.45 a can.
Cheers to counting down to the end of this shitshow! :100:
"When I was at one of my lowest (mental) points in life, I couldn’t get out of bed some days. I had no energy or motivation and was barely getting by.
I had therapy once per week, and on this particular week I didn’t have much to ‘bring’ to the session. He asked how my week was and I really had nothing to say.
“What are you struggling with?” he asked.
I gestured around me and said “I dunno man. Life.”
Not satisfied with my answer, he said “No, what exactly are you worried about right now? What feels overwhelming? When you go home after this session, what issue will be staring at you?”
I knew the answer, but it was so ridiculous that I didn’t want to say it.
I wanted to have something more substantial.
Something more profound.
But I didn’t.
So I told him, "Honestly? The dishes. It's stupid, I know, but the more I look at them the more I CAN’T do them because I’ll have to scrub them before I put them in the dishwasher, because the dishwasher sucks, and I just can’t stand and scrub the dishes.”
I felt like an idiot even saying it.
What kind of grown-ass woman is undone by a stack of dishes? There are people out there with *actual* problems, and I’m whining to my therapist about dishes?
But, my therapist nodded in understanding and then said:
“RUN THE DISHWASHER TWICE.”
I began to tell him that you’re not supposed to, but he stopped me.
“Why the hell aren’t you supposed to? If you don’t want to scrub the dishes and your dishwasher sucks, run it twice. Run it three times, who cares?! Rules do not exist, so stop giving yourself rules.”
It blew my mind in a way that I don’t think I can properly express.
That day, I went home and tossed my smelly dishes haphazardly into the dishwasher and ran it three times.
I felt like I had conquered a dragon.
The next day, I took a shower lying down.
A few days later, I folded my laundry and put it wherever the fuck they fit.
There were no longer arbitrary rules I had to follow, and it gave me the freedom to make accomplishments again.
Now that I’m in a healthier place, I rinse off my dishes and put them in the dishwasher properly. I shower standing up. I sort my laundry.
But, at a time when living was a struggle instead of a blessing, I learned an incredibly important lesson:
THERE ARE NO RULES.
RUN THE DISHWASHER TWICE!!!"
Ps I am not the author
Pss. Wallows I think your nickname changed but I wanted you to read this~ :smile:
Then I met someone. She didn't want to spend Sundays mopping, although she did try to help me once, but was quickly overwhelmed by the regimen. What she did was hire a cleaner and now I don't have to clean. It's so much fucking easier.
The message? I don't know, maybe be less neurotic, don't try to do everything myself, and not be such a cheap ass. I think those were some things I learned from that. I really could never go back to cleaning like that. I'd rather live in squalor, with dirty dishes piling up, and lying down in the shower spitting the water out of my mouth while making gurgling sounds.
I agree 101%. It drives me crazy when the missus gets in the mood to clean the whole house, I usually find something to do outside. Luckily it does not happen too often nowadays. :wink:
@Sir2u
I am just glad that you each got something out of the rant.
:joke: I am not sure what but something!
:ok: As a native Ohioan I've always found New Yorkers to be complete babies in this weather. To be fair it is tough to manage a big city in these conditions. But I took the train home from work tonight and thoroughly enjoyed my 15 minute walk to my apartment. I stepped out for a cigarette an hour ago and there was hail (?). Love it.
https://dinosaurpictures.org/ancient-earth?fbclid=IwAR2BXaj40UfuLzc2RVkmNmWT5hRAzg3SdE84jIrW6ok6WqggzgeYdvBP-mo#240
I usually want to the modern earth
[i]Jonathan Jarry
McGill University
Sep 2020[/i]
With people like these around, "anything goes" becomes a movement.
https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afghanistan-cia-militia-01-strike-force/
We're just generally irked by the slightest inconvenience. At least we are not like LA when it comes to rain or Georgia when it comes to snow.
[i]Michael Marshall
National Geographic
Dec 14, 2020[/i]
Good discernment in the dichotomy of control.
Mankind has been pursuing wisdom for centuries, and just like Zeno said about the tortoise we will never catch it.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MessianicSecret/status/1075958125675581440[/tweet]
May you have a prosperous 2021. Continue to power on -- if you are in a stressful job, may you gain more energy and perseverance to continue. If you are in a comfortable situation, try to do something 'risky' or daring to appreciate your situation more fully.
For those experiencing hardship, try different things to remedy your situation -- it could be putting yourself outside your comfort zone, which would take courage and staying power. It shouldn't last long. Then plan on changing that to a better situation. I guess the point is to keep 'moving' and changing.
Just remember: it's not that 2020 was a bad year. It's that capitalism sucks and has stopped trying to hide the fact that your life is largely worthless to it.
me too
Hi fdrake. Happy new year.
Not that I ever pay attention to your posts, :joke: , but really no need to say sorry -- you don't sound like a dick. The only time to apologize is if you start sounding like a dick.
:rofl:
Assume 100 people and £100. If there is a top 1% who owns 1% then there's 1 person with £1 and everyone else owns less than £1. The remaining 99 own at most £0.99 each and 99 * £0.99 = £98.01. There's £0.99 unaccounted for.
Raising it to £1,000 and the top 1% own £10, the bottom 99% own at most £989.01 (98.901%) with £0.99 (0.099%) unaccounted for. And so on.
Is my maths right? Assuming all money is accounted for, the top 1% (if there is a top 1%) must own more than 1% of the wealth?
No penny leaves the mint with all its atoms.
My logic shows that this can't happen, so I don't think it's right to say that the maths is wrong. Rather it shows that the premise can't ever be true (unless there's money unaccounted for). It's a reductio ad absurdum.
If everyone owns exactly the same amount then there isn't a top 1%.
I had a fig tree in my yard with thousands of figs. I only ate a handful. There are just so many figs a man can eat. I did clothe myself in a fig leaf because I was shamed by my nakedness.
I've been in the top 1% 80% of the time every time.
:rofl: Hanover my friend, there is no certificate, no trophy not even a podium stand. No ribbon, no graduation party. Your achievement, your reward is a blank mind, a piece of silence and a new way to daydream. :flower:
My housemate wants to do this for yoga. Then he can teach yoga to hot young women. I know your game.
Because you are working with a fixed number, 100 people and £100. In the real world there is no fixed amount for the quantity of wealth available or owned. That logic does not apply to the real world.
If the biggest owner of wealth has 1£ then everyone else has to have less, you assigned £0.99 but what happens if 50% only have a few pence?
When you are working with percentages and then giving examples with currency it gets confusing because they are not realistic numbers being assigned. That is why your logic is flawed.
This is similar to the waiter giving change puzzle.
I said at most £0.99. If they have less then the amount of money unaccounted for is even greater. For example if 50 people have £0.99 and 49 have £0.01 then the total amount of wealth owned by the bottom 99% is £49.99.
So the point still stands that if the top 1% own 1% then the bottom 99% own less than 99%.
Quoting Sir2u
The logic doesn't depend on realistic numbers. I could use 6 billion people and $360 trillion, where 1% (60 million) own 1% ($3,600,000,000,000), and so on average $60,000 each, and the other 5,940,000,000 people owning at most $59,999.99 each, with at least $59,400,000 unaccounted for.
This personal trainer at my gym stood behind this girl wearing these ridiculous tights spotting her while she did squats, squatting up and down with her, offering her the safety of not falling over. That's the job I need. I like to help people.
So is it impossible to account for whatever fraction of wealth is unaccounted for in the 99% by moving to the right of the decimal point? How far do we move to the right of the decimal point to capture the missing wealth?
So you can mediate in child custody cases?
"The top 1% wealthiest people" means "the currently top 1% wealthiest people", who according to some people should be no more wealthy than anyone else. Your friend is saying there shouldn't be a top 1%. The top 1% should be transformed into just another 1%.
Or am I missing something?
That's the thing, it's a nonsense position. He's not saying that there shouldn't be a top 1%, he's saying that the top 1% should only own 1% of the wealth. I tried to show him that, mathematically, if there's a top 1% then they will own more than 1% of the wealth, but he isn't buying it.
At the time we were discussing what share the top 1% actually own. I then responded by saying that if the top 1% own 1% of the wealth then the bottom 99% would own less than 99% of the wealth. His response was:
So it seems to me that he's saying that 19% of British people are OK with there being a top 1% wealthiest people but that they should only own 1% of the total wealth, and that the bottom 99% should own 99%. It doesn't seem to me that he's saying that 19% of British people believe that everyone's wealth should be equal.
That's the point, it's a reductio ad absurdum. I'm just trying to show that it's impossible for there to be a top 1% and for this top 1% to only own 1% of the total wealth.
99* £0.999= £98.901
99* £0.9999=£98.9901
Nope. Not possible from any point of view.
£100 between 100 people.
1 person has £90 = £90.00
98 person have £0.10 = £9.80
1 person has £0.20 = £0.20
100 people = £100
That seems to add up to me. Your problem is supposing that the other 99 all have the same amount, not logical at all.
That's fine, because the top 1% owns 90% of the wealth. I'm saying that it's impossible for the top 1% to own 1% of the wealth.
I don't need to suppose that. They can have any variable amount under £1. Try it; you'll see that there's money unaccounted for. It's impossible for 99 people to share £99 and for them each to have less than £1. It's basic maths. And that same maths is why it's impossible for 99% to share 99% and each have less than 1%, regardless of the actual number of people and the actual total wealth.
mmmmmmmmmmm.
Of course they do, they are the gods of TPF.
Can. we. do. that?
On an almost completely unrelated note, I was condemned the other day by a pearl clutching old church lady who felt violated by something I said. We need to tread cautiously around those of superior virtue, least we incur their divine wrath.
Haha. As a paper thin (primarily) Scandinavian, I get surprisingly heated in these situations, but somehow the logical part of my brain prevents me from entering fights I know I will lose sorely. If anything, I think my pride is hurt the most; I knew not to play into the scam, but I still got fucked. Oh well.
David Chang is that you??
I didn't know you went back to school for philosophy. ;)
Hiya Uglydelicious and Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!
In an earlier form we had a "Shoutbox" that had a rightful position on the front page. It is simply a place for unmoderated discussions to take place in. Some of the best topics and insight were left in the Shoutbox, like little gold specs of wisdom that some thought were too little to waste time on mining. But others believed would be enough to pay for a pint at the Pub after a day of working.
So enjoy your stay and again Welcome
Tiff
What is this, my mom's facebook account? How is it that all the cool boys have suddenly gone emo?
Quoting Uglydelicious
Quoting Noble Dust
Solved.
Thanks, mom.
Damn, you must be one lonely motherfucker if your one-liners are this important to your repertoire.
I think I am a bit taken a back :yikes:
I am a Mom and if someone hacked my Facebook account, whomever did it better keep an eye out for trouble. :chin:
Having said that, the "cool boys" haven't gone emo, they are very much still here. :cool:
They just happen to have amazing taste in music and I almost feel sorry for someone who has not been moved by music.
:worry: :sparkle:
@Banno
Can I have Nobles' pie please? :yum:
Noble pies? Yes, you can have a Nobel prize.
The Noble piece pies?
I would love to enjoy a piece of peace pie especially if it is Pecan pie :100:
Guess the song without looking up the lyrics on the internet :up:
Don't worry Tiff, I've been playing music since I was 6. I agree with the sentiment, just surprised to see it posted here by someone like Banno. ;)
It is rare for Banno to show his softer side but I promise you, his wife knows it's there. :razz:
Ask him what his favorite instrument is as it might surprise you. It certainly surprised me as I really believed he was a blues lover at heart. :heart:
"Victory delayed is not victory denied."
C. Buchanan is who I read it from though I am not really sure it is hers but I like it :up:
That's a clean getaway! Fake buyer who test-runs people's washing machines to do his laundry for FREE sweeps the web (but all is not what it seems) (Daily Mail Online, May 2016)
Genesis. There was a time when they played it relentlessly on the radio. Don’t recall the title though.
Well done :up:
Wait isn’t it Phil Collins solo?
Well fiddle sticks, let me see when it comes up on my place list. :blush:
"When mountains crumble to the sea, there would still be you and me"
Yes, I think so.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
I almost struck out...
Jimmi Hendrix- Castles made of Sand (Strike 1)
Ben E. King- Stand by Me (Strike 2)
Thank You- Led Zeppelin
A Brief History of Philosophy
1. Socrates deletes his account
2. Plato posts screenshots of Socrates
3. Aristotle unfollows Plato
4. Aquinas retweets Jesus
5. Descartes mutes Aquinas
6. Locke mutes Descartes
7. Kant unfollows Locke and Descartes
8. Hegel subtweets Kant
9. Schopenhauer blocks Hegel
10. Marx likes Hegel
11. Nietzsche gets hacked
12. Heidegger DMs Arendt
13. Adorno reports Heidegger
14. Derrida gets verified
15. Heidegger gets banned
16. Wittgenstein only does Instagram
What is the fruit in the top right hand side corner? I think I know the rest...
Pomogranate is my guess
I was just thinking how it would be...
to be able to post images with hyperlinks.
It's either a cherry or a nectarine.
Who would you rather spend your COVID-19 quarantine with; your best friend or your significant other?
My significant other is my best friend :love:
1. (?x: P(x) ? W(x)) ? (¬?x: P(x) ? ¬W(x))
2. ?x: ¬(P(x) ? ¬W(x))
3. Something else
You could ask our former President. He would certainly have an answer for you. :joke:
Love it :flower:
Bless your nirvana :flower:
:rofl: Right?
The first time I asked NicK the question his office phone rang and he was out of the room! :lol:
Do they refer to you as their lesser half?
When Conservative media howled about an approaching "immigrant caravan" in 2018, Rush stated "The objective is to dilute and eventually eliminate or erase what is known as the distinct or unique American culture...This is why people call this an invasion.” This was the precise language used by the murderer who killed over 20 people in El Paso in 2019 in his anti-immigrant manifesto who wrote that he was "defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.”
He said all of this and more to an audience of millions for decades.
His entire career is one of lies and callous vitriol. He helped lay the groundwork for contemporary Conservative media, for figures such as Glenn Beck, Ben Shapiro, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and others who have continued to transform the GOP into a multi-million-member death cult, culminating in the Donald Trump presidency and subsequent Qanon zealotry. For better or worse, there is no such thing as Hell, otherwise he would certainly be rotting there for an eternity. Otherwise, we can take solace in the fact that the last several months of his life were likely considerably painful given his lung cancer. The world would have been a better place if he was never born at all.
Thank you for your thoughts :sparkle:
My present wife of 34 years no, the other 2 yes.:cry:
I presume you knew already when you used "they". :lol:
It seems prevelant in the 20-30yr olds and I am trying to discern the difference between my generations "fake it till you make it" and their syndrome.
To me they don't seem to have a difference. Maybe someone can help me out with it. :sparkle:
Only those that think they are philosophers because they come here. :lol:
[quote= Megan Dalla-Camina] the most limiting part of dealing with imposter syndrome is that it can limit our courage to go after new opportunities, explore potential areas of interest, and put ourselves out there in a meaningful way.[/quote]
[quote=William James] Action seems to follow feeling, but really action and feeling go together; and by regulating the action, which is under the more direct control of the will, we can indirectly regulate the feeling, which is not.
Thus the sovereign voluntary path to cheerfulness, if our spontaneous cheerfulness be lost, is to sit up cheerfully, to look round cheerfully, and to act and speak as if cheerfulness were already there. If such conduct does not make you soon feel cheerful, nothing else on that occasion can. So to feel brave, act as if we were brave, use all our will to that end, and a courage-fit will very likely replace the fit of fear.[/quote]
Thank you so much for your help. It is an awesome starting point to reframe the feeling to go with the action. :flower:
Excellent.
They will be banning the hobbit books soon as well, because there are only normal and little people in them. That discriminates against giants.
The Lord of the rings will follow for discriminating against the poor trees that cannot speak.
Where will it all end. :cry:
Climate Change
Loyalist groups withdraw support for Good Friday Agreement
Saw that earlier today. It's an unfortunate but pretty much inevitable consequence of a hard Brexit that one of the two sides would do this.
David Harvey, Brief History of Neoliberalism
This year the theme is: 'Choosing to Challenge'.
How many get to choose ?
"8th of March is the day of rebellion of the working women against kitchen slavery. Down with the oppression and narrow-mindedness of household work!"
EDIT: According to wiki that poster is from 1932, later than I would have expected.
Wow ! Brilliant poster. Did it start the Russian Revolution ?
I just found another one dated 1914, banned in the German Empire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women's_Day
Translation, anyone ?
I thought at first you were kidding me.
I had no idea of the role of women in that Revolution. From wiki:
Since delving into family history - particularly both grandads' experience in WW1 - I have been in awe and dismay at the conditions of both men and women.
Today I start an online genealogy course (FutureLearn). It covers not only documented data as basis for research but puts it into context - flesh on the bones. The historical and social aspects bringing ancestors to life.
This fascinates me.
I have elsewhere called such qualitative material 'the gaps between the snaps'.
Biographical facts, photographs or posters are fine but so much lies behind.
They can lead to much richer stories...
With age comes wisdom, wrinkles and what ifs - not to mention 'What the fuck !' :smile:
If I had, I might 'Choose the Challenge' as per International Women's Day (IWD) to discuss and share how many women have been influential in our lives and how little thanks they receive.
Currently:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/08/half-of-women-in-uk-fear-equality-is-going-back-to-1970s-survey
Not only women, how many times do we thank people in general ?
Do we even think of our ancestors and their contributions ? I'm beginning to appreciate their lives and the conditions they lived in. The experiences they survived in e.g. WW1.
It is amazing I am even here to write this.
I remember quickly skipping over Book 1 of Marcus Aurelius' Meditations.
So many people he thanked. One mention of his mother and later a brief reference to sisters.
What he learned from his mother:
Quoting Trans: George Long
http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html
And it wasn't until today that I realised the role of women in the Russian February Revolution.
Thanks to @jamalrob :sparkle:
Celebrating the day :party:
The only one that jarred with me was from London, England:
A black and white set up.
"Female police officers and special constables talk to a suspect following a stop and search in Southwark during an all-female operation by the Metropolitan police, the first of its kind for the force, to commemorate International Women’s Day"
The most surprising from Bahadurgar, India.
A field of gold.
Female farmers at a protest against new agriculture laws
The most striking black and orange. Tel Aviv, Israel.
A woman outside the district court holds a placard that reads: ‘I refuse to be next’, as others stand next to mock coffins to represent women killed as a result of domestic violence
The most impersonal. A heart from Vladivostok, Russia.
Windows are lit at the Primorye Territory government building to form the shape of a heart.
Main image of joy and a flask from Athens, Greece
Women join a demonstration in front of the parliament building.
Any excuse for a party :cool: and look at the :mask:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2021/mar/08/international-womens-day-around-the-world-in-pictures
Ok. I'll talk about some women:
And yes, I have thanked them all.
Finished before midnight, so it counts.
I love what you say and the way that you say it. Bullet points can sometimes be a bit stale and sterile. Yours made me want to read more of your wonderful story.
This bit grabbed me.
Quoting T Clark
I thought that it was going to lead to a wicked stepmother scenario. So pleased it didn't but as usual it raised more questions.
What is it to be a mother - define 'motherhood'. I found a blog which undefines it:
https://undefiningmotherhood.com/why-undefining/
My mother is the one who taught me to say 'Thank you'.
A story oft repeated was when I was very young and we visited much older female relatives.
Apparently, I charmed them when leaving at the front door ( I remember the smell of honeysuckle ) I turned round and said 'Thank you for the tea and biscuits'.
Clearly coached, I wonder if a curtsy was also part of the piece :smile:
Also, Mum encouraged me to write letters after receiving Christmas gifts. That's how it clicked with me that there was no Santa Claus. Anyway, why would Santa give me navy blue gym knickers :brow:
They were definitely not on my list whereas books were always appreciated.
( Hmmm, thinking about it, I never wrote wish letters to Santa - that's where I went wrong ! )
Letter writing was always important to me. And I still love to read that format.
The first book, of that ilk, I remember was 'Daddy Long Legs' by Jean Webster:
https://literature.fandom.com/wiki/Daddy_Long_Legs#:~:text=Daddy%20Long%20Legs%20is%20a%201912%20novel%20by,write%20him%20via%20his%20secretary%20once%20a%20month.
Judy, an orphan, writes letters to her anonymous trustee for 4 years without receiving a reply.
She tells him about the books she is reading:
This kind of mention in books - or letters - encouraged me to read more, and more...still does.
Would love to hear more about letter writing in philosophy. Who wrote what to who and why...
Cheers :sparkle:
I'll give you an engineer's perspective on what it means to be a mother. Your biological mother is, of course, your mother. Beyond that, it is a woman who, for better or worse, is built into the superstructure of who you are. They knew you from before you can remember anything. More importantly, you knew them from before you can remember anything. They, along with your father, taught you what the world is.
Engineers love bullet points.
Interesting and debatable perspective .
Hallmark, for one, would definitely have a wider view; a more commercial take re Mother's Day, disowned by its inventor:
https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/05/the-inventor-of-mothers-day-disowned-the-holiday-and-so-should-we-all/275763/
Anyway, best leave it there. Don't think that a mini thread is what The Shoutbox is all about.
Someone will be along soon to tell me to get off my soapbox :scream: :smile:
Lovely chatting to you.
But hi there anyway.
This is the only thread where it is permitted to have little conversations in, the rest are for the discussions about serious stuff.
You should look around and see if there are any threads that interest you enough to participate. Think about what you write though.
Have fun.
Sorry for not welcoming you!
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!
Enjoy your stay :flower:
@Shawn
Did you invest? If so, what coin are you into?
Doge is a fun one to watch as is Raven.
I hope life is treating you well :flower:
I took time off to raise our children and did a kick ass job!
Now as our eldest is graduating with his Bachelor's degree in Simulated Science his Mom is also graduating with two Associate degrees!
He is continuing on to get his Masters either in the USA or Australia and I am continuing on to ASU for my Bachelor's in Social Work with a Master's as my final destination as well. We are an excited group of people heading into a world full of love and happiness
:party: :love:
Congratulations to both of you. My 35 year old son is going back to school now with a goal of a social work degree too.
Nope. I'm batfish poor.
Thank you ?? I am excited to hear your son is going into social work. I'm confident that good listeners will always be needed. I was a bit surprised when I called to book an appointment with my personal social worker and I was told his first opening was 3 weeks away and that was for an established patient!
The gal who was booking me said that mental health assistance is a rare commodity.
My jaw is still dropped to think that a process of helping others is a "commodity". Maybe I am naive but when I think about a commodity, I think of a thing, like cattle or cotton not mental health.
I have talked to my loan processor about my path and she told me that when it comes to repaying the loan, because of it being a social service career, that after 10 years of loan payments the rest is forgiven.
If that is the case, then it not only behoves the student to continue on to their Masters and then their Doctorate but it also fosters me to get a dual Bachelor's and a dual Master's degree if desired.
What are your thoughts?
I also carry a personal student loan of 100k for my parents loan on my youngest indians college AND then will add on my continuing education price. His Master's degree will shake out to be 250k max and mine 80k through my Masters. So my choice of career happens to have that contribution to society as long as I work in the mental health field and teachers are afforded the same.
It's a crap shoot because we don't know what politicians are going to do over the next 6 Year's when we are looking at payback.
My son was a bartender before the bottom dropped out. He's a very good listener.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
College is like baseball tickets. When I was young, a middle class or working class person could go to college and come out with little or no debt. Now you have to be rich or mortgage your life. No one can afford to go to Fenway Park either.
My other son who is 24 is in the Visuals part of events from golf tournaments to huge music events for 10k people and up. I told him when we grasped the length of his imposed pause to move back to the ranch with us and I am so blessed he did. True children leave one by one and come back two by two, with two dogs as well. I'm just super blessed that they choose to move here as opposed to somewhere unsafe. It's a good bit more in the food budget but other than that, it really has been a pleasure hosting him and his partner of 4 years. They don't want children yet and I can understand why as unstable as the world is right now. But I tell them that this is what change looks and feels like so make sure you take note of your trajectory and take an updated self inventory so when we are allowed back into the world, you are set up for success!
It's Saint Patrick's day and I hope everyone finds their bag of gold at the end of their rainbow. :sparkle:
Although my Sacramento River Cats (cheapest ticket $15) are actually more expensive than the Giants (cheapest ticket $10).
More importantly, it's my younger son's birthday.
Happy birthday to my fellow future social worker and tell him bartending is a great start :party:
I'm glad you are here. I was thinking about you a couple days ago wondering how you have been.
So, how has life been treating you?
April 1st is near :eyes:
Does anyone get caught up on defining words with friends or their significant other?
If you don't, how do you know that you aren't misinterpreting what they are saying?
Oh you dirty man!
My Granny got early onset Alzheimer's at the age of 58 which I will be seven years from now and it was 3rd generation skipping my Mom who is now 76, so there is a likelihood of my developing it as well. My Granny survived 12 yrs past likely diagnosis and she went through a long phase of slipping away and we had to move into her reality in order for her to not get agitated. Now? I would have given her CBD tea (if Dr. approved) to calm her. Because of how long she suffered my Mom had asked to not be given anything to save her life, even antibiotics for the common cold if her mind is gone.
Quick question: which was your favorite age so far?
17
How about you?
I'm not sure.
April 1st is meh. Remind me when June 4th is close for Advocatus Diaboli.
Quoting Paul
:cool:
He was a leader of one of three teams competing worldwide!
Check it out! Proud of an Eagle about to fly with his final colors of his plumage!
Fantastic, kudos to him and the team. :100:
I'm not much watching a French film, and a woman says, (but in French, and the subtitles render) "I have this talent, I can instantly guess the number of letters in any word." The others proceed to test her by saying a word, and she immediately says the number of letters.
The subtitle translation has a problem; it correctly translates the word, but then has to use the number of letters in the translated word rather than the translation of the number the woman says which is the number of letters in the French word. French students do not learn your numbers from this film!
You talking about aurore ? Great film.
But yes, good example.
Yes and yes.
Now be quiet or you will be receiving a visit from one of our brethren.
And in the future, if you are brave enough to mention us it is Illuminati,. With a capital I.
Beware.
Try a bonnie getup like this next time. They couldn't refuse ya.
:starstruck:
Me too!
How are you doing?
First things first. The mods need to get their wardrobes in order before quibbling about OP length.
I'm sorry for clarifying but you want to be here?
Okay what did you do with the real Baden?
We don't agree on much but this I agree with.
Especially @Benkei Have you seen his Spring selections?
Sometimes I'll start writing a post but then decide not to send it. I delete the message, but it just shows up again. How do I delete it for real?
Top left menu under 'Drafts'
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
No, but I hear nautical is in.
Thanks.
The guy on the right looks exactly like me.
I’m sure that’s true, but it never stopped them from dropping the axe before. Personally, I don’t really care, I just skip nonsense threads, but I thought the change of habit was curious.
@Hanover has assured me everything is just fine over there.
Actually, my sister lives in North Carolina now. Most importantly, they have a pool.
You should stop by the Hanover Estate. I have a new place, got a pool too. Some guy has been doing the dead man float out there for days. Very convincing.
@jamalrob will be the beneficiary of our interaction! Another plus formed between us!
(I am going to become a sponsor so I can upload @Benkei pictures of his Spring selections)
:lol:
Loving the ocean swept hair :cool:
:brow:
And since when do YOU trust HANOVER?
A pool?
Hmmm new concept. I might have to see if we have such a thing in Arizona. :eyes:
A) Why aren't you at a house of worship? Even better question is why am I not at a house of worship?!?
B) When did you hide the eggs?
C) That's Bernie, check his mittens. :gasp:
I always put them out at noon. The hunt starts exactly at 12:30. Maybe only one kid this year.
Hanny killed Bernie? Goddammit, I told him not to do that.
But, @Amity should be happy.
Why ? To both.
Nice language on Easter :gasp:
I understand the first but I am troubled about the second. Why the sideway call out @Shawn
I seemed to have missed the outrage of the children detainment centers operating at 700% over capacity.
Probably some stuff in the general Biden thread. I gather the situation is bad there but I don't know enough to comment except to say that if large amounts of migrants are determined to get into the US, it's virtually impossible to stop significant numbers achieving that goal. That's a huge problem for communities on the front line, I know.
I'll take a look. As it stands for the month of March we had 171,000 souls cross our border illegally.
It's heartbreaking :broken:
Congrats and Thank you! :party:
What's a Gonzago?
A bunch of losers
Damn, that's a big bag of nearly.
Nice. Got Moderna about a month ago because I'm "essential" (wine store elf). Any side effects?
Recently have been using Google Translate without any trouble.
But when I went there a few minutes ago - everything but everything is written in Chinese characters :roll:
[s]No idea how to change this :brow:[/s]
Now fixed :smile:
Had to clear cache - or something...
I've heard that the second shot is the one most get sick on. I get my second Vaccine on April 19th so I will let you know.
Which vaccine did you get? Yeah, I had no side effects other than a sore arm the first time around, and then felt like I was getting the flu for about 36 hours after the second. My arm hurt even more that time. Pretty funny, after the second shot I woke up the next day and thought I was feeling ok, so took the subway into the city. By the time I got off I felt like shit, so I wandered around like a zombie for awhile and then went home lol.
There's < 0.1% chance of a fluke.
So, these muons are acting differently from what the standard model says.
Like what you'd expect in case of some yet unknown force, or interacting with some unknown particle.
Finding something not quite there in the models ... excitement ... discoveries ... :)
China sends more jets; Taiwan says it will fight to the end if there's war (Reuters)
Russian forces are massing on Ukraine's border. Bluff or not, Putin is playing with fire (CNN)
If the US does nothing, that will invite more of the same.
I hope the US does nothing.
*Fu_king authoritarian people.
I'm not sure if I fit your idea of my being an "authoritarian" person but my kids would definitely vouch for me being a governing force.
My friend @jorndoe has never come across as authoritarian in nature but maybe he is with the Mounted Police Force of Canada?
Not likely because if he was a rider chances are I would know by now.
Men in uniforms coming to help .... Fanning myself :love:
Ah Gotcha :victory:
:100: :party: :flower: :flower: :flower:
I doubt that. I always assume that I mean the world to everyone. I am rather awesome.
I hear QAnon is recruiting.
Once they reached interstellar space, they both independently found an increase in (plasma/electron) density.
Not like going from the air into the ocean of course, but remarkable (and unexpected) nonetheless.
A couple of theories have been suggested about what's going on, more to come.
I suppose this might have implications for further interstellar exploration.
New Discoveries from Old Spacecraft (Kohler; AAS; Oct 2020)
The weird space that lies outside our Solar System (Barss; BBC; Sep 2020 - pictures)
Voyager 2 reaches interstellar space: Scientists detect plasma density jump (University of Iowa; Phys.org; Nov 2019)
Not authoritarian. Except I'm always right. ;) Except in the presence of my wife. Hmm and sister... and some others.
Hope things are well on your end!
, you hope for strife and gnashing of teeth? :o
I wonder what the common thread might be in whom might challenge your thinking :joke:
I've been separating a twenty year relationship between two really close friends, with some success but not without the shedding of my blood. :groan: Numerous times over many weeks. The scars will be with me till I die. :worry:
The two friends are a beautiful Mesquite tree and the arms of Cresote bushes. :rofl:
I had to get rid of 5 coconut trees a couple of weeks ago. I did not want to get rid of one in particular, but the stupid neighbor built a wall near it and was being damaged by the roots.
Lucky I have plenty more.
I did, but the tree was maybe a bit too close to the property line to get into an argument about. Lucky i have several others that came from that one so I still have those great coconuts, big and sweat. :wink:
And now for some bad news, the shit storm will arrive in a few years.
https://theconversation.com/first-human-monkey-embryos-created-a-small-step-towards-a-huge-ethical-problem-159355
Same :party:
What sort of cults did you have in mind?
Nothing involving self-hurt or suicide; anything against Western culture generally. Some happily-ever-after bullshit would be chill.
Do you imagine most cults generally involve self harm? Like a blood rite initiation?
Sounds like a cult I'd like to join.
Assuming we're at least half joking here, no.
Quoting Sapien
The line between cult and religion is tenuous, maybe. I might just be longing for my old religious days. Who knows?
I'm not religious. I used to be, when I was on the pill. Opium of the masses as the saying goes.
Yes, trance music no longer results in frantic acts of violence.
It's a clever turn of phrase, but too easily bandied about, in my mind.
And then you sold the story from the nighmare and you made millions of dollars?
Did you ever think about that?
How are you doing my friend? :flower:
We are going to make it through this together :flower: :flower: :flower:
Quoting Maw
Some get really sick. I just had a headache.
Then you could afford a house with higher ceilings.
Like a big drash tent. Yeah.
Par for the course, my friend.
No words, huh ? How about ''unfucking believable'' :sad: :broken:
Apt indeed.
I want to search for a phrase, say "free will." I don't want posts with just "free" or "will," I want the whole phrase. I've tried putting quotes around the phrase in my search. That didn't work. Is there a way?
Thanks.
Why? I get sad when others are angry with me.
Turn your anger into apathy, and you’ll no longer feel sadness.
From a discussion on 'Consciousness':
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/533598
Free online course
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/what-is-a-mind
'Professor Mark Solms, Chair of Neuropsychology at the University of Cape Town, will adopt a multidisciplinary approach.
He will bring in perspectives from a range of disciplines, to explore four specific aspects of the mind- subjectivity, intentionality, consciousness and agency. Together, these will help us think about the fundamental questions: what it is to be a mind, why we have a mind and what it feels like to have a mind.'
Is it moving south over the Siberian Sea?
It's moving north everywhere. The Antarctic Circle is also moving North, but at a rate of 9 miles per year. I don't know why the rates of movement are different.
Biscuit, Tater, Cornbread, and Jasper
OK, so it is not a major change in the poles. Now we know that those that live near the coast have to look for higher ground.
I can dig a hole in my garden about 5 feet deep and watch the water level go up and down with the tide.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Tiff, can you spare a corner of the ranch to build a little hovel in? Otherwise I will have to start building a bloody ark.
It isn't related to climate change. It is the result of cyclical changes to the tilt of the earth.
I just found a unit error in some of the webpages I have been looking at. They mixed up meters and kilometers. Actual movement is about 50 feet/year north for both the Arctic and Antarctic Circles.
I take it only Jasper is not destined for din-din?
Would that not be at least a minor change in the poles? I seem to remember reading that they do move around quite a bit.
I don't think the poles change at all. The magnetic poles do move.
Come on up Sir and bring the Mrs. :flower:
Yes, you are right. I think I phrased it badly.
If the angle of the poles change, not the poles themselves, then certain areas would be exposed to more heat from the sun than usual. If the north pole tilts towards the sun then the polar ice would melt because it has more exposure. And the southern ice would increase because of less exposure.
Not sure about that though.
Interesting piece of info about the magnetic pole.
Over the past 150 years, the magnetic North Pole has casually wandered 685 miles across northern Canada. But right now it's racing 25 miles a year to the northwest.
Your safety is enough for me. :flower:
The former home of the Shoutbox, the Lounge category, is still hidden from the main page, so now it might languish even more than before, or become a dump or purgatory. But so be it: there's no such thing as a free lunch.
That's what people say to justify their extortionate prices!
There are plenty of people who have done this in my life for plenty of reasons that I kind of doubt that anyone has. Just making good about whatever and taking off is what there is to do now. I feel like I am being fairly reasonable, here.
It's all just a bunch of crazy bullshit because of the crazy bullshit problems in my life. My bad. There's not much of a reason to think about it anymore. I plan on just taking off or whatever. I have to leave well enough to do so, though.
But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later...
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Dr. KING: ...the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself in exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition. In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men - yes, black men as well as white men - would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds.
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Dr. KING: But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt.
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Dr. KING: We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.
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Dr. KING: We have also come to his hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.
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Dr. KING: Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time...
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Dr. KING: ...to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. 1963 is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual.
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Dr. KING: There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
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Dr. KING: We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny.
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Dr. KING: And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back.
There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, when will you be satisfied? We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities.
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Dr. KING: We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: for whites only.
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Dr. KING: We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote.
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Dr. KING: No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
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Dr. KING: I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our Northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.
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Dr. KING: So even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.
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Dr. KING: I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
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Dr. KING: I have a dream that one day down in Alabama with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today.
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Dr. KING: I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
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Dr. KING: This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning: My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrims' pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that, let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last. Free at last. Thank God almighty, we are free at last.
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On October 5, 1877, his speech, as he surrendered to General Howard, immortalized him in American history forever:
"I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed. Looking Glass is dead. Toohoolhoolzote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say, 'Yes' or 'No.' He who led the young men [Olikut] is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets. The little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are — perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired. My heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever."
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Less famous Star Trek quotes
Yes, I know I posted this previously in the Lounge, but now I can make everybody read it. Thus we return to the Golden Age of The Philosophy Forum.
This is the new, improved, 2021 Shoutbox, where you never have to apologize for anything, ever.
"Veni Vidi Vici"
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The visited, the seen, and the conquered said, "Curses fucked again!"
Jove to Jehovah: "See, it all depends on whose ox is getting gored."
Jehovah to Jove: "What goes around comes around."
Athena to J & J: "I need a flagon of gin and tonic."
Quoting T Clark
You've proven me wrong before the ink is even dry.
I don't recollect Q showing up at Deep Space 9. Shirley, you must be mistaken.
You should check before you make accusations. I'll have you know that my research is impeckribl....inpeckerab...good. And don't call me "mistaken."
As sci fi, it kinda does. But it's a decent fantasy story.
Spot on. I like the aesthetics, the special effects were ground breaking in their day, the music is very atmospheric, but it's not science fiction. It's wizards in spaaaaace! The moral philosophy of the light/dark sides is polarising, metaclorians are not a scientific explanation for magic, and the story of the six films was fatally damaged by trying to tell it backwards. I think Lucas must have daddy issues!
Went back to my old job. They begged me. It's good to be irreplaceable. Demanded a pay rise and a big reduction in workload. :party:
Not to burst your bubble, but you should never go back. That's the rule. Never go back to an old girlfriend, never go back and live at home with your parents, and never return to an old job. The reasons you left have been forgotten, but you'll soon be reminded upon your return.
I would suggest that you remove the rearview mirror from your car like I did. What's behind you is there for a reason and you don't need to look at it. If you were supposed to look back, God would have made you backwards.
Disclaimer: only do this if your car is faster than other cars when driving onto the freeway.
You know what annoys me? It's those back up cameras and I the blind spot light that blinks on my side mirror when a car is passing. All this technology is distracting. I get all these blinking lights and beeps and it makes me second guess how far I have to back up and whether I can change lanes. I've had exactly zero instances when I've wrecked or just rolled over something behind me. I can live without this lazy technology. When you back up, you're supposed to turn completely around, put your hand over the other seat and smack your kids as your arm flies across the car.
Given the amount of incidents while driving that I can only describe as attempts on my life, I personally welcome our new robot overlords.
He did. I have 20/20 hindsight and no idea what the next shout will be.
That's what I said after their first offer. Their second offer included ridding my workload of all the things that made me leave in the first place.
But it's easy enough to quit again if I don't like it.
Are your goats still alive?
Makes sense
Paul Austin Murphy
May 2021
Get some pigs.
Some would argue that if "true" only serves a function in language use, it's just meaningless to try to nail down the truth-aptness of unverifiable statements. What's the point of that activity? I think it just has to do with realist angst.
Why not get a regular sized donkey?
That's what Cleanthes said before he died of laughter seeing some donkeys eating figs.
But they, like Cleanthes jackasses, wearied of the same old thing.
The donkeys had probably eaten all the figs off the tree that Jesus checked out, found figless, and cursed. JC was short tempered when he was hungry.
You suggestion that Hanover keep pigs is apt. But pigs present problems. For one, they are intelligent. For two, they are much closer to us than primates. (This is a fact that Darwin and the biology establishment has conspired to keep secret. However, a quick comparison of pigs and people will show that they the close relationship is obvious.). Cannibals reference human flesh as "long pig".
This is pretty much just more justified true belief baloney but with an even higher reading on the balonic scale.
According to Wikipedia, it was Chrysippus, Cleanthes successor, who died while watching donkeys eat figs. I guess you had to be there.
Are any of your goats the G.O.A.T.?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/jessphoenix2018/status/939240420390793216?lang=en[/tweet]
Anyways, unless anyone responds to my thread, I'll be taking off. So long!
Sounds reasonable to me. Any area where you care about having equal outcomes is one where you probably want to avoid having external motivators like profit. Experiments with for-profit schools (Trump university, anyone?) and prisons do seem to support that conclusion.
For-profit healthcare with lots of regulation works decently well for the richer countries, but plenty of poor people get left on the sidelines.
Or external motivations like justice or progress, either!
Those would be the internal motivators, no?
No, but they are externalised by equality of outcome!
We seem to understand the term "equality" in different terms. The formula for equality I'm used to is "treat irrelevant differences the same and relevant differences different."
You seem to understand "equality" differently now, from how you did only moments ago.
Quoting Echarmion
You we're talking about equality of outcome.
Quoting Echarmion
Now you're talking about disregarding arbitrary characteristics. Equality of opportunity is desirable, regardless of arbitrary characteristics like race, sexuality, gender etc. Equality of outcome is unjust because nature distributes talents and abilities unevenly.
The Healthcare Divide
FRONTLINE and NPR investigate the growing inequities in American healthcare exposed by COVID-19. The documentary examines how pressure to increase profits and uneven government support is widening the divide between rich and poor hospitals, endangering care for the most needy.
here
My goats' favorite food is whatever is out of reach. The field is overgrown with plenty to eat, but they insist upon sticking their heads through the fence to eat whatever's there or jumping at branches to grab leaves. Maybe they're creating a new Aesop's fable, teaching us about how we want what's beyond us when if we looked we'd see it was all around us.
It's either that or they're just stupid goats.
Their other favorite foods are corn chips and rice cakes, but there's no fable to derive from that.
Yes? The operative term here is still "equality". Had I meant "the same outcome", I'd have said so.
Equality of outcome is meant to signify that we are concerned with getting everyone to a similar level (e.g. of competence if we talk about education). But that's describing a priority, not a method.
Quoting counterpunch
This is just saying "equality of outcome is bad". A conservative talking point without substance, since it provides no definition for either "equality of outcome" or "equality of opportunity".
So when you said equal outcomes you did mean equality of outcome?! It's not just a conservative talking point. It's obvious that a road-sweeper and brain surgeon - should be recompensed differently, because why then bother to go to the trouble of becoming a brain surgeon? Further, there's loads of road sweepers. Anyone can push a brush. Very few people have the talent to become brains surgeons. And if you can't see that, I can only assume you had brain surgery performed by a road-sweeper.
But that's just equality. If the pay is based on competence and qualifion, then the pay is equal. That is what equality has always meant.
It's obvious therefore that there are no competent brain surgeons, because all the smart people became stockbrokers.
Okay then, sure. I have a degree in politics, and I'm telling you these terms have specific meanings, but if that's not what you meant, fine. You know what you meant. That's what counts!
I have missed you so much!
@Hanover goats! Such a shepard you are.
@Sir2u The beers are on ice my friend :flower:
Can we agree that there is an idea that "The only constant in life is change"?
I'm not endorsing it just asking who agrees with that and who doesn't. If you don't agree may I be so bold to ask why?
I'm literally in the middle of change and I am of the belief that when it comes to life, career "Do what you love, do it honestly and the 'rest' will follow." It has been my goal in life just to leave people feeling better for having interacted with me. True sometimes I have to rise up to the challenge.
So does that mean the Shoutbox will be hidden within the Symposium ?
And the Symposium will be a lively social hub ?
Including Music, the Arts, and Everything with Batteries Included ?
Drinks on the house ? :party:
I feel the same way.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
The only constant in life in change, but the only constant on the forum is posts about free will.
We're predetermined to discuss it endlessly.
It's all a very elaborate joke. God actually made the universe entirely deterministic, but set up it's starting conditions so some assortments of matter would express the idea that they had been granted free will by god.
Even determinists necessarily believe in indeterminism.
And then waited 13.8 billion years for the punchline.
"And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me..."
Thank you for sharing your feelings. Sometimes I feel like I am the only voice desiring that feeling connection. :flower:
I looked and could not find the post where you said that I might have been right all along.
But I read it and I think you might be right. :razz:
I bet you that you a month or so from now the proof will be in the posts in the shout box.
If I lose, then I will make a donation to The Philosophy Forum in your name.
If you lose, you make the same donation to The Philosophy Forum in my name because that will allow me to post pictures here!
Deal?
@jamalrob Are you okay receiving donations?
@Benkei Did you want to get in on this bet?
I knew I knew it but got impatient and looked it up. Duh..
McCarney -- and now that I looked it up, Lennon as well. The first voice I heard (in my head) sounded like Elton John. I suppose dozens of covers have been done. But before I looked it up, McCartney's voice shone through the darkness.
The album came out roughly 51 years ago. I remember it well.
No, I think you're wrong. If what you say is true, that would make me, let me see - 19, 20, 21, 22.... really, really old.
The unfortunate thing for the 'Lounge' is that the mods use it for dumping 'rubbish' threads.
Will the 'Symposium' simply be a 'Lounge' free from mods' cast offs ?
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/540324
So, you're betting I'm wrong about you being right and I'm betting you're right about me being wrong about you being right, right?
Maybe. So far it's just a way of getting the shoutbox on the main page, but maybe, somehow, it could be used for something else. Currently only staff can add new discussions to the Symposium category.
Quoting jamalrob
Ah OK. Understood.
The 'Shoutbox' seems to provide a sense of social connection for some. A way to feel close. For others, not so much...
A 'Symposium' including the natters, the music and creative type threads might add more life and be more engaging.
Quoting jamalrob
What kind of discussions are likely to be added if it is to become 'TPF's lively social hub' ?
Perhaps:
Transfer of some existing Lounge threads e.g. music.
More personally creative stuff e.g. poems, stories...
What ?
It is a matter of moral urgency that rain only occur at night. How many people, waiting for buses have suffered indignity and disease as a consequence of being rained on, going about their rightful business in daylight hours? How much plant growth, solar power, and light has been stolen by totally unnecessary day time cloud cover? Depression associated with deprivation of natural light is a well documented, and preventable medical endemic. This suffering must stop! Nocturnal precipitation is the answer. It should only ever rain at night to preserve natural light for those who need it!
The radiant rainbow rescue association strongly opposes this proposal. The majestic appearance of the rainbow clearly outweighs any negative feelings associated with rain. In addition, the search for the pot of gold provides an aspirational goal for those of our community who are less well-off.
I don't know. I don't even know if the Symposium category is going to have any other discussions. It's about the shoutbox and that's as far as my definite thoughts have gone. I'm just saying there are possibilities.
The RRRA are Noah loving radicals; who care nothing for real world human suffering.
China ultramarathon: Severe weather kills 21 runners
"Twenty-one runners have died after extreme weather struck a long-distance race in north-western China. High winds and freezing rain hit participants in the 100km (60-mile) ultramarathon in the Yellow River Stone Forest, a tourist site in Gansu province, on Saturday. The race was halted when some of the 172 runners went missing, and a rescue operation was launched. Many of the stranded runners reportedly suffered from hypothermia."
Nocturnal precipitation could have prevented this tragedy. How, morally - can you see such suffering and oppose nocturnal precipitation?
OK. I'll leave it there.
'Shoutbox' appeasement :roll:
Those who shout loudest and longest...
Screw them. Let them look for moonbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbow
And because they are rare, they are much nicer.
I have seen 2, and they are weird to look at, but the full on I saw was beautiful.
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I wrote something impolite, but then thought better. Suggestion - if you don't like the Shoutbox, don't read it.
:cool:
I was expecting push back. Good that you can think better...
Quoting T Clark
Way to go with the love vibe... :flower:
From: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/540324
Quoting Amity
Quoting jamalrob
Possibilities... :sparkle:
I knew you were. I almost didn't respond for that very reason. Then I thought it might be fun to go at it and see which of us could be more passive-aggressive.
Oh Hunny, I didn't think you cared :kiss:
Hit me with your rhythm stick, hit me, hit me...
Ian Dury and The Blockheads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc
Did you mean nocturnal emissions?
Nocturnal Precipitation with Best Thinker - Counter Punch!
— counterpunch
Quoting Fooloso4
I did, but didn't think anyone else would notice the ever so subtle allusion to another thread, that is indeed, a wet dream. Good catch!
Hi wallowsome; but, otherwise OK, I'm Michael.
Woo hoo BC!
I'm glad it brought back some good memories :flower:
"The stage is set, the band starts playing..."
I knew you were an administrator for a reason!
Yes you're reading it correctly.
Now, what are the conditions of this one time, one grand payoff to get a member banned?
I mean I love you and all but I imagine many would miss you more :cool:
But being the eternal optimist, may I suggest that a sizable one time donation might allow us to unban a member?
Maybe?
Like S ?
Good on you for being genuine :up:
We've never been sure exactly what @praxis is, but whatever he is, he's clearly a genuine one.