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His rejection of the name and object model is not a rejection of the inner. He does not think that the inner is a grammatical fiction. The meaning of ...

His interlocutor asks him if he is saying that everything but human behavior is a fiction. His response is that is he speaks of a fiction it is a gram...

It is Wittgenstein who says this in response to the behaviorist's claim. Behavior is not a fiction for either of them.The behaviorist's claim that the...

No. Once again, if pain is a fiction then pain behavior is a grammatical fiction. Suppose there is an isolated tribe where no one felt pain. There wou...

As I understand this, in response to the question of whether he is a behaviorist he says that, unlike that of the behaviorist, his inquiry is grammati...

Taking another look at this I must have overlooked the second part. Remembering gets its meaning from the experience of remembering. I do not think he...

But I don't deny it. If I say I ate dinner I don't mean the process of mastication and digestion.

Since Wittgenstein does not make any distinctions between behaviorists, I thought it best to stick to what is in the text.

If you were to ask me, "Do I mean there has just taken place in me the mental process of remembering? I would say no, I mean I just remembered. We can...

You are right, the behaviorist would not grant that there are mental states. But it could be argued that:

Because I remember. Let me phrase this more carefully: When I say "I remember" I do not mean that I have a particular mental process going on. Agreed.

As a behaviorist they would deal only with the science of behavior. They reject talk about mental states and mental processes because these are not ob...

I would like to revise my response. at 306. When I say "I remember" that does not mean that I have a particular mental process going on. That is a gra...

See 304:

This is where we do not agree. The behaviorist rejects the idea of mental states, but on what basis do you conclude that this is as the result of the ...

The behaviorist does not construe the grammar of the expression of sensation on the model of ‘object and name’. The behaviorist is an empiricist. He d...

The behaviorist claims that there is pain behavior, but what could that mean if pain is a fiction? It is the language of the behaviorist that is not g...

We differ as to what the grammatical fiction is. The behaviorist is not talking about the meaning of words. The behaviorist claims that the only thing...

The quotes were intended to address the interlocutor's question of whether everything except human behavior is a fiction. The point is to show that th...

There is an aspect to this problem that is untouched by grammar. Real problems, not fictions, having to do with both behavior and feelings. Notebooks ...

I googled the names and found the articles I cited free online. Wright Coliva What do you think? Do they offer support for my reading of Wittgenstein?

Good point. One of the key differences he makes between philosophical investigations and scientific investigations is that science can solve problems ...

Good. Here's the link again: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/1041566

?Fooloso4 I've been saying I want to move on since page 8. And yet you didn't. On page 12 you said: As far as you can tell does not not even extend to...

You and Banno have ignored my post providing literature that supports my claims about hinges. Why is that? You said: All of this after you had decided...

No. I have not decided whether I will. Why? I don't see how it might resolve the question of whether hinges belongs to things other than the logic of ...

The way that I can tell the difference is that I often agree with Paine but rarely agree with myself. Sometimes I am of two minds. Does that make thre...

I don't think Paine will mind my revealing our secrets - we are Siamese twins who share one head Seriously, I think the similarities are due in large ...

One pivotal difference in our disagreement comes down to how we are to understand Wittgenstein's use of the term 'science'. Science, as opposed to phi...

I appreciate the effort to find agreement I hope we can find a way to disagree without being disagreeable. As I see it, not everything that is indubit...

I am sorry my friend. My recent return to the forum reminded me of why I left in the first place. Too many dogs pissing on everything to mark their te...

You really do have a reading comprehension problem. I said that in response to the claim that my reading of Wittgenstein is cursory. As I said, I don'...

My guess would have been a BS in bluster. Peyronie's disease Since retiring I no longer have access to academic journals, but that is not to say wheth...

I don't usually disclose personal information because I want the argument to stand on its own merits without undue influence one way of another. But I...

Here is my first post on hinges: How do you get from there to the accusation that I want to exclusively talk about hinges? I have tried to correct you...

You seem to see what you want rather than what he says. He clearly states that propositions belong to our scientific investigations. The question then...

I, of course, agree.

Once again, fevered accusations without substantive support. In this remark refers to a particular expression. I would ask what remark he is referring...

Yes, he is describing the role a proposition plays. That is why we need to attend to which propositions function as hinges. Right, he is not advancing...

I agree that Wittgenstein is attempting to express what is wrong with Moore's argument. Thanks That supports my interpretation. Although some might er...

This is why I cited his use of the term science in the Tractatus, PI., and OC. He uses it consistently. They are statements about the natural world an...

This in consistent with the Tractatus. He is maintaining the distinction between philosophical and scientific investigations. The PI is about philosop...

ii Hinges are not an inventory of what we find in the world.

There is a great deal of confusion in the minds of some members here regarding what Wittgenstein means by scientific investigations. A few quotes from...

That is the opposite of my point. Not everything we point to is a hinge proposition.

First, it is clear that at least some hinge propositions belong to our scientific investigations. The question is: are there other hinges that do not ...

You are confusing facts and propositions. It is a fact that we have hands and this plays an important role in our lives. What turns on the proposition...

Evasiveness is not good philosophical practice. With each example you and Sam have provided I have said why it falls short. If there is a lack of comp...

I am reminded of this: 457 Right, and that system of facts does not include Sam and Banno's alleged hinges such as "Here is a hand" or "I know that I ...

So when Wittgenstein says: He doesn't mean only propositions of science, but when I say, as you quote: It means only the propositions of science? I ha...