creativesoul

Name calling is not nice. :wink:

While I agree that that is one point of divergence between our positions, I'm not keen on invoking psychological terminology. It seems unnecessary, an...

Interesting. On my own view, the cat draws correlations between the sound and eating afterwards, and that's how the sound becomes meaningful. The noti...

You're correct that our positions differ here. I wonder how the sound becomes meaningful to the cat on your view?

I've little to no issue with the claim that all beliefs can be rendered in propositional form. That's what we do when taking account of another's beli...

That's the way I've always understood it. However, that understanding has been challenged as incorrect by a few around here.

Akin in saying that all you can say is that we can know that there are unknowns...

On my view, the only things we hold to be true(in the relevant sense) are statements. On yours, are there other things that are capable of being held ...

Nice summary! Indeed, on my view the unknown is akin to Kant's Noumena in that very specific way. That reminds me of "falsifiable", when it comes to t...

That makes perfect sense, for they were further set out in the second post. 1.)Beliefs about events, particularly those that can happen in places and ...

Indeed. Understood. Trump is a symptom of much deeper issues in the US I'm afraid. I think that I've a fairly decent grasp of how the ground was culti...

Be well.

I'm afraid I cannot help you there. I'm working on an understanding of belief that is amenable to evolutionary progression based upon the tenets of me...

I'm unsure of the difference between those. What do you mean?

To be clear, I'm here because the topic is of great interest to me personally, and I'm fairly certain that understanding how belief works is imperativ...

So, could you take the time to read my first few posts in the debate and offer a critique or some other summarization? Does anything jump out as suspe...

The broken clock shows that the content of belief is not equivalent to what belief is about. Beliefs do not refer to anything. Names do that.

I do think you've set out something that can be used to help improve the discussion, and move it along. I've no issue with claiming that some belief a...

Yeah, I remember looking forward to replying to something you said earlier, then I could not find it. Could you repeat it, or link it, or somehow othe...

What do you mean "not"? Read the debate and see for yourself where belief was described as an attitude towards a proposition on at least one occasion....

You asked for a distinction. There it is. Seems simple enough to me.

Is it non-controversial though? At first blush, it may seem innocuous enough, but when placed under scrutiny, it reveals itself to be inherently incap...

Evidently, we've very different standards regarding what counts as a "better report" of Jack's belief. This is a matter of great contention between ou...

Joe looks at a broken clock which indicates the time is 3 o'clock. Joe believes that the time is 3 o'clock, because he believes that a broken clock wa...

A thread worthy of careful revisitation... Around page ten, it gets interesting...

:wink: I was just perusing that thread yesterday.

No, that's not it at all. My problem with that notion of belief is well known. How to square that with the idea that language less animals are capable...

Yes. Indeed! That article was very impressive to me as well! I'm not a physicalist either, strictly speaking. You may find it interesting to search th...

Note he asked the referent of the belief, not the word "belief". Beliefs do not have referents for they are not used to pick something out to the excl...

Short on time. Name some things that you count as a concept, and it will help this along better. As before, I do not use the notion, finding different...

It's a tough question to be sure. The belief is what is had by the cat. The cat draws correlations between different things. The bowl. Hunger pangs. T...

I think that that overstates the human influence regarding red things. Other language less creatures can also see red, so it is clear that seeing red ...

The question makes no sense on my view. Beliefs are not the sort of things used to pick something out to the exclusion of all else, or to refer to som...

Well then, perhaps we do agree on something basic. I'm not keen on the 'property' talk though. I'll try to tease out the analogy in as simple terms as...

This seems like a good summary to me. It points to how crucial historical usage is when it comes to the meaning of words, phrases, and other language ...

I believe that it's better to arrive at that as a conclusion that is warranted by and follows from what we can know about our own thought and belief.

Do you find the account I set out in the first three posts of the debate to be a complete one?

On my view, all concepts are linguistic constructs, whereas not all beliefs are. All concepts are existentially dependent upon language. Language crea...

Diplodocus are not prehistoric mammals. I chose my classification deliberately. I wish you would pay closer attention, I know you're capable of unders...

Please address what I write and not some imaginary opponent that you make up in lieu thereof.

Well, I agree that he's not taken the criticism head on, not mine at least, nor yours; both of which seem relevant and valid. However, I'd rather not ...

Actually, that is exactly what I'm objecting to. How can a language less creature, say a prehistoric mammal, have an attitude towards a proposition wh...

I do not think that you understand what I'm arguing. It doesn't so much as contradict your own as much as further qualifies it. Some and all belief......

Will do. Thanks for the link. Now you're just verifying my earlier comment to you about being a guidepost of the highest caliber... :wink:

Yeah, I noticed the leaning on possible worlds arguments in your replies regarding unspoken statements and propositions.

That's a very heavily theory laden link. Notice the term "representation" too. It's an accounting practice. What is true of it is not necessarily true...

Yes, it seems that Banno thinks that because belief can be put into propositional form, and has been for centuries, that all belief content is proposi...

Here Banno was attempting to support the notion of propositions which had never been proposed, but somehow existed nonetheless as something a believer...

seems to think that the position I argue for/from is somehow guilty of reifying belief. The notions of reification or misplaced concreteness work from...

Philosophy proper has not really recovered from Gettier. That failure is solely as a result of getting belief wrong to begin with, and it's led to app...