creativesoul

So facts are representative of all logical possibility? That can't be right.

I mean, Witt was wrong about stuff too.

So, "logical space" refers to all logical possibility(that which has yet to have happened, and/or may never happen but could if the world were differe...

This discussion is about one particular framework, or so I thought it was...

Facts are states of affairs on my view, but I've yet to have found this notion of "obtaining" to prove worthy of use...

Logical space? What's that?

We could if we abandon the meaning of "fact" as states of affairs.

That's one that I've found imperative to understanding this framework as well.

A proposition represents a purported fact or a purported relation among things. A true proposition represents a real fact or a real relation among thi...

How do "facts" come into the picture here? Are facts states of affairs on your view?

All propositions are language.

A Supreme Court which paves a legal path to offering a foreigner the power of free speech during a general election is one which has just reduced the ...

It's the inevitable consequence of monetary corruption in government. A poorly informed people.

Here's what I want to discuss... If it is the case that all thought and belief are existentially dependent upon a plurality, and a plurality negates s...

That's an unnecessarily complex attempt at the justification of that which is unjustifiable. The only sensible coherent use of "illusion" presupposes ...

Propositions are existentially dependent upon language on my view... What's yours on this?

Nothing here jumps out to me as being wrong.

Again? Have we discussed this already?

That sounds fine by me. I asked because it would affect/effect how the conversation goes if I knew that much.

I want the origin of each and every dollar spent as a means to elect this man... Trump... to be traced. Citizens United did not offer the power of fre...

Ah... come now, let's be reasonable. Propaganda is in every society. In each, there are some people who believe that the propaganda itself is true. So...

I mean fuck... let's do some philosophy.

Here's what I want to discuss... If it is the case that all thought and belief are existentially dependent upon a plurality, and a plurality negates s...

That knife cuts both ways. An argument for solipsism isn't immune. Therefore, it's an invalid objection. Or... at the very least... it applies equally...

Well belief can be false, and that's another matter altogether, although it must be kept in mind here. So, people can be mistaken about what they beli...

Some of the American public...

The relationship between the people and the 'leader' isn't the same either...

That's the first step.

If it is the case that all thought and belief are existentially dependent upon a plurality, and a plurality negates solipsism, then solipsism is negat...

Trump is not the USA...

Meh.

All reason is thinking about thought and belief. Thinking about thought and belief is existentially dependent upon language use. All reason is existen...

And yet, I reject reason as the basis of knowledge, and do not have any issues with paradox or self-contradiction. It only follows that your claim is ...

How do you reconcile this obvious contradiction?

All thought and belief is existentially dependent upon an external world. Seeing an illusion of a dog is existentially dependent upon dogs. Thought an...

Well, at the very least I readily admit that believing in something and believing to have seen something is not equivalent to there being an illusion....

Do you use this notion of "facts obtaining"?

Ok. Something to play around with... A proposition is or might be a state of affairs or a relation among things? That can't be right.

It's neither nonsense nor affirming the consequent. Gratuitous assertions are what rhetoric is. That's not good enough by my lights. It makes no sense...

Or a goat...

A negative fact(potential;logical possibility;etc) is one that has yet to have occurred and/or taken place(actualized, instantiated). That which has y...

I wouldn't equate calling states of affairs "fact" with calling whatever we arbitrarily choose to call a "game"... a "game". All facts are states of a...

Night Sam...

Because you're calling them all by the same name. What difference does that make?

Takes some careful consideration, and an adequate framework...

Sam what do all facts have in common that make them what they are, aside from us just calling them all by the same name?

Well not quite. Sam is arguing that they obtain by virtue of actually existing.

That all depends upon what it's built upon...

So, a negative fact is a state of affairs that never actually exists, and a positive fact is one that actually exists(obtains)?

Well, it seems inherently inadequate and/or otherwise mistaken to me intuitively... We'll see.