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Hamlet is an account of events that never took place and of people that never existed. Hamlet exists only in the form of meaningful language. Statemen...

Events that never took place are described by false propositions. Events that have yet to have taken place are described by prediction. Both consist e...

Utterances of hought and belief about what has not happened cannot be true at the time of utterance.

All imagined 'events' are linked together by thought and belief. All imagined events consist entirely of thought and belief. They are no where else to...

Actual and possible... The one consists of what has happened. The other consists of thought and belief. Remove our language. What's left of the possib...

I understand just fine. You're calling things that have not happened "events". I'm not. You're calling imaginings "events". That is to conflate that w...

They have not happened. They are not events. They are imaginings.

There is a distinction between actual and possible. That which is actual has happened. That which is possible has not. Past events happened. Disagreem...

Complex thought and belief. Talk about the future represents our thought and belief about what has not happened.

What you are calling "imaginary events" have not happened. Events happen.

Events take place. They have happened. Imaginary hypotheticals have not. They are not events. Calling them such neglects this.

States of affairs are what has already happened and/or is currently happening. That which may or may not happen has not happened. There's a useful dis...

Meh. Muddle.

That's all I ever do aside from systems analysis and creation...

What do all states of affairs have in common that make them what they are?

What good reason is there to call hypotheticals imagined states of affairs?

I've always been interested in this notion of states of affairs and how they obtain. Thus, I'm piddling around here...

To be clear, I'm not at all arguing or objecting to the use of hypotheticals. I'm asking what good reason there is to call them "states of affairs" wh...

What reason is there to posit imaginary states of affairs or possible ones? What do they have in common with actual states of affairs that make them c...

Since unreal states of affair and relations do not exist, there is nothing to represent. Hamlet sets out a plethora of unreal states of affairs. There...

How can one thing represent something else if that something else does not exist to begin with? There's nothing to represent. Hamlet didn't suffice...

:yikes:

If A represents B, then B must exist prior to A otherwise there's nothing to represent. It only follows that A is existentially dependent upon B. That...

In order for A to represent B, A must stand in place for B. Let Hamlet(the play) be A and a man named Hamlet who was the prince of Denmark be B... Ham...

No. You asked for a deductive argument for an external world. I offered two separate outlines. The claim you're now questioning is part of an argument...

I find myself in agreement with much of what you have proposed. Not all. I'll outline our agreements first, if you'd care to elaborate with me.

These are outlines of deductive arguments, no?

Here's what I want to discuss... If it is the case that all thought and belief are existentially dependent upon a plurality, and a plurality negates s...

I just outlined two of them.

Double meh...

Why is a psychological question. I'm convinced by virtue of knowing what all thought have in common that makes them thought.

And yet you've distinguished between the two...

You remain convinced that that objection made a difference of some sort or was valid in any way? I don't but... I'm talking about the most recent two ...

Propositions exist in more than one way?

Without language there is no propositional meaning, on my view. Translation presupposes pre existing meaning, a plurality of languages, and someone wh...

So, this admits - good or bad - that propositions are not existentially dependent upon language? I have significant trouble accepting that. It does no...

I'm tempering my judgment... a little late, but the above very well may be wrong.

Agreed. Right now, I'm considering what you're arguing... Not all states of affairs are facts. All facts are states of affairs. There are two kinds of...

My mistake. Apologies.

When the existence of a thing requires the existence of an other thing.

Sigh...

Why not just address the argument?

Not all states of affairs are fact. All facts are states of affairs.

You've arrived at incoherence(self-contradiction) Judging by your avatar name, I suspect you do not mind.

No doubt... much groundwork had to be laid... as has been.

The actual was once the possible. Would you concur or object?

I'm not so interested as to begin a thread. I may join one already in progress...

His conception of belief. It's an aside. Not relevant to this fact talk.

Facts cannot be false.