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Premisses could be rightfully called "propositions" but not "conclusions". If I wrote "conclusion" I was talking about conclusions, not premisses. I'v...

Inadequate context...

We deduce what is true of each and every particular example solely by virtue of taking proper account of the universally extant common denominators. W...

Correspondence isn't. Coherence is.

The notion that all truth is existentially dependent upon propositions(language) is a logical fiction.

We 'operate' solely by virtue of drawing meaningful correlations between different things.

:yikes:

Because it's true, that's how. Fictions aren't true. Solely by virtue of knowing the rules of the language. Before that, it cannot be done 'in one's h...

You never answered the question I asked about your invocation of "necessary truths"... That question deserves an answer.

This seems patently false on it's face. It presupposes that one can be certain that some statement or other is true without ever having been involved ...

Mama's advice, if taken to heart, may cause one to disregard true conclusions... lucky, invalid, but true none-the-less... However, in this particular...

For some folk. That all depends upon one's framework, but that side-stepped the point. Some call true propositions/statements "truths". Such a framewo...

Perhaps... Let's suppose that "the cat is on the mat" corresponds to fact/reality/states of affairs. Is that proposition a truth? Many call true propo...

Well, it places the claim that propositions and/or the meaning they 'contain' exist independently of language in direct question... along with the rea...

Are you taking the position that... The content of a proposition is it's meaning. Different languages communicate the same meaning. That would be to c...

Roughly... There's no need to count all the possible positions that would/could be based upon logical fiction. There are more than enough actual ones ...

There are different acceptable uses of the term "truth". Typically in philosophy they boils down to one of two... Coherence and/or Correspondence. Som...

This presupposes that there are such things as "necessary truths" that evidently exist independently of language. Otherwise, it would make no sense to...

The principle of inductive reasoning is linguistic, as are each and every "test of truth"...

Well... "A truth is propositional in content" is not the logical fiction for it serves as a premiss. The logical fiction is the conclusion.

Indeed.

Then the entity is not equivalent to the designator. Then more than one language have named the entity. Then different languages can share the same re...

Agreed. The point of this thread is/was to tease out positions which are based upon logical possibility alone. That requires coherence in the sense of...

The 'good' arguments against Kripke rest their laurels upon logical possibility and coherency alone. They work from (mis)conceptions.

That quote is a conclusion using the notion of propositional truth(true statements). I would agree that where there is no language there can be no tru...

Well, it could be if meaning were bound to language as compared/contrasted to "a" language. Although, I do not hold such a position. At least not all ...

The OP sets out a few examples of logical fictions. That particular absurdity is one that I've not seen any common school of thought avoid without ass...

That question is based upon a misunderstanding of what and how reference works... You're conflating a few things here. "Planet Earth" refers to a part...

"It" is a pronoun. Pronouns stand in as proxy for nouns. Nouns are persons, places, or things. "It" refers to a person, place, or thing, if for no oth...

Why think that I am? :yikes:

There's some conflation between a report and what is being reported upon hereabouts.

Actual events aren't. That is what is being referred to. :roll:

That is answered by virtue of how the term is used.

That was referring to propositional truth(true statements).

I think that that is a mistake too. I mean, I'm not denying that that's how they are generally conceived/understood/thought about, but that that under...

Here the term "proposition" is mistakenly separated from language. Different languages can say much the same thing because they can use different desi...

All propositions are predication. All predication is linguistic. All propositions are linguistic.

I would concur up until the last claim, but find issues with it regarding two different senses of "truth". One need not understand a propositional tru...

Not sure what you mean by "without a reference"... "It's raining" refers to what is happening at the time. It's talking about actual events. It's what...

Not all words do. Names can. All successful reference is picking out an individual entity to the exclusion of all others solely by virtue of shared me...

Well, Kripke relies on actual practices, and it seems than nearly all who oppose what he's claiming here, which isn't some grand replacement theory bu...

What the OP asserts as the primary methods of successful reference, are two commonly argued for. Many folk will conclude that names(and thus naming pr...

You've not used the framework in the OP. Rather, you've used your own. It has been shown problematic by both of us...

The reference has clearly succeeded. You believe Cookie is an imaginary thing. You're mistaken about that, but you do use the name "Cookie" to pick ou...

What's the name of the thing you're talking about here? Oh, yeah! "Cookie"...

I'm not interested in self-perpetuated confusion by virtue of inadequate framework.

If you have an example of successful reference which does not include what I've set out, I'd like to see it. If you do not, then all you've done is gr...

You need not believe that I have a cat named Cookie in order for you to be referring to her by name. You may think/believe that my cat is an imaginary...

So, I believe that all of your objections have been adequately answered, despite the fact that not all of them deserved to be. Do you have an actual e...

Would you rather talk about my ducks? We have Don Juan, Esther, Hattie, Lily, Fiona, Luis, Rudy, and BlackJack. We have others that we've not named.