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Belief and truth are distinct. That has no bearing upon that example.

The bullet is misplaced.

You'd base this rejection on the idea that that statement is somehow reflective of the speaker's notion of what's moral/immoral, but it's not. Moral f...

Then "There there ought be a dead family" is true if you don't.

The promise happened. The statement corresponds to what happened - in part, and just like every other true statement - by virtue of what it means.

The truth conditions of "There ought be a rose garden on Monday" are that it was promised to be planted the day before.

I have no clue what you're trying to establish as a valid objection. Actually, I have no clue what you think that that string of words means. There's ...

Clarify then... what comes through a subject that is not subjective?

Under the definition you use everything ever said is subjective. It matters because the notion of objectivity is the basis of all your objections here...

Your favorite. I despise the dichotomy.

Morality is thought and belief. Thought and belief are neither objective nor subjective. Morality is neither.

Since it is the case that all morality consists of thought/belief, and all thought/belief consists of that which is not existentially dependent upon t...

By the way, the golden rule leads one to being ok with a sadomasochist treating them they way they want to be treated. In layman's terms... The Golden...

Folk don't learn and know why and/or how they've acquired most of the beliefs that they hold until they carefully consider their own worldview. Some b...

Polls? :smile: They either think/believe that something is unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour or they do not. Lots of other folk have room...

The objective/subjective dichotomy is inherently incapable of taking proper account of that which consists in/of both, and as a result... is neither. ...

Religious beliefs, in the sense I'm talking about, have two major flaws. They unnecessarily presuppose entities, and they are based upon logical possi...

If there is no such thing as personal belief, then there is no such thing as projecting it.

The historical record shows that our own notions of what counts as moral/immoral evolve along with our understanding and/or knowledge over time. What ...

Perhaps, but that would be a strawman to one who has and is thus bound by his/her moral duties, regardless of their own unhappiness about it. Moral du...

Being helpful is always good.

"Is good" is what one says when making a value judgment based upon one's worldview(which includes moral belief). Does Moore's Open Question Argument a...

This isn't the place, but I guarantee that the empirical support for my position is much stronger than the empirical support for your own claim regard...

Doesn't this argument only apply to positions that fail to distinguish between a referent(pleasure, well-being, etc.) and it's evaluation(good)? It re...

On Friday, speaker A says "I promise to plant you a rose garden on Sunday". Speaker A is speaking sincerely. On Monday, there ought be a rose garden. ...

Yes, with the only exception being when one is unsure. It seems to me that there's much lost in nearly all philosophical discourse/debate as a result ...

So, these are commonly held statements of belief. Another is that propositions exist independently of language. Yet one more is that the content of be...

This utterance of ought above is not the standard/typical/garden variety moral utterance, is it? And yet it makes perfect sense, given that we know th...

I would argue that anyone who holds that moral utterances cannot be true or false have mistaken beliefs about thought and belief.

If they're thinking about statements of thought/belief, rather than simply asserting their own.

Alright Banno... I do not understand how one arrives at the claim that "is good" is unanalyzable. Can you set it out in simple terms? I'm reading/stud...

Besides neglecting statements and all this above, emotivism cannot take account of conflicting wants/preferences and moral duty. Sometimes it is "Boo,...

There's no meaningful difference, assuming a sincere speaker, unless one is unsure.

That's the common understanding and/or agreement. My approach challenges this long held notion.

Indeed. I recognize that problem. The definition is one that I grant due to current convention. Morality(the rules) is not always good.

Morality, as it is conventionally defined, is the rules for acceptable/unacceptable behaviour. These rules are subject to individual particulars(famil...

Indeed.

The act that is promised is part of making a promise. Promising is the moral state of affairs. Promises(to do something) are unlike other sincere clai...

The promise is what makes it a moral state of affairs.

Belief presupposes truth. Prefixing the term truth with "the" is very problematic here.

On my view, facts are 'states' of affairs, events, what has happened and/or is happening, the case at hand, the world, etc. Making a promise is the mo...

Not at all actually. Although, I do hold that one ought keep one's promises, that does not ground what I'm getting to here, nor can it be reduced to s...

The expression, assuming sincerity in speech, reflects one's moral belief. That would be belief about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or ...

"There ought be a rose garden" is true if one promised to plant a rose garden. "There is a cat on the mat" is true if there is a cat on the mat. True ...

:blush: I don't see why not Banno. It's been done for centuries.

Moral statements can and do express a preference. Not always, as evidenced by conflicting personal wants and moral duties. Some moral statements are t...

Not all things we call "principles" are on equal footing. We cannot parse them solely as a result of the namesake, however. Some principles have been ...

Perspective, if it amounts to bald assertion, isn't always good in my book. Prosecuting fallacious reasoning like false analogies isn't good either, a...

So, we don't deduce and observe. Rather, we observe, then deduce and observe with the former being blatantly circular and potentially self-contradicto...

Well... yup. Exactly. It becomes a principle when we name it such.