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What I am asking about is Jesus the man, not the mythology. This is what I was getting at. Christians were for the most part pagans. I do not think Je...

The dialogue Charmides talks about the inscription. I do not recall the details. If I get a chance I will look it up, but part of the discussion was a...

You are getting some really awful advice. Cicero said: It is not the Forms but to the human things that Socratic philosophy is about. No matter how me...

So where do you think Jesus fits in here? I think this was an invention to deal with the crisis that followed the death of their messiah. I also think...

3 There is an often overlooked puzzle at the center of Plato's Republic. It has two connected parts. One: If Socrates’ human wisdom is his knowledge o...

Actually, it is the opposite. One less entity. Rather than doing what one imagines will please a god or gods, one strives to do what is just.

Divine command theory is an offshoot of the question posed by Socrates: "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it...

Thanks, I will take a look when I have a change. What I read many years ago was on the philosophy of history.

I would not say it is about the origin of them but rather the problem of piety and how it relates the goodness and justice. What Socrates tries to get...

I have some doubts as to whether Plato's thinking is axiomatic. Using mathematical language, dialectic proceeds by way of addition and division, ident...

I hear the bell toll and for whom it tolls. I don't know Collingwood well enough thought to comment on absolute presuppositions. It they are individua...

I don't think they are fundamental, absolute presuppositions. I think they are part of a mythology, a salutary public or exoteric teaching. I will be ...

But Socrates' concern was with questions of the just, beautiful, and the good. The hypothesis is that there is the just itself, the beautiful or noble...

The issue was whether there is injustice in the world. That question is not about religion.

Christian theologians have been arguing about the definition of God for centuries. Some think that it is a mistake to attempt to define what is beyond...

Interesting selection of commentaries. If I remember correctly Kass shows the topology of each day and what belongs on that day according to its motio...

Yes, it is generally agreed that he is the author of some of the texts. It is also generally agreed that none of the texts are not authored by the peo...

Paul was a master rhetorician and founder of a religion.

I said this: But nothing about knowledge of God. I don't think belief in God fits either. As I have said, he replaces the myths of the gods with myths...

Paul thought that the body was the root of sin. Later Augustine said much the same and introduced the concept of original sin. Judaism in general, on ...

I am not going to play this endless game with you any longer.

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These are from the same passages I quoted above with Stephanus numbers. I told you who the translator was. Did you not bother reading it or did you fo...

An accurate summary. The tension between Paul and the disciples of Jesus began with an invention of Paul's - two Laws, one for the Jews and one for th...

The nerve of them for excluding something that was written more than a thousand years later!

Okay, baby steps: The Beautiful itself and the Good itself are Forms. They are the kind of causes he concerns himself with. What he puts down as hypot...

That does not mean the terms are interchangeable. The beloved is the object of love. You can't just turn it around. Love is not the object of the belo...

It is difficult to distinguish between dishonesty or ineptitude. I suspect it is some combination of the one to cover up the other.

Again, I am left wondering whether you truly are incapable of understanding or if it is just a pretense to save face or whatever tatters are left of a...

I will try one more time and then move on. Is the Beautiful a Form? Does he use the Beautiful as an example of hypothesis?

I am left wondering whether you truly are incapable of understanding or if it is just a pretense to save face or whatever tatters are left of an argum...

Loved is not a person or thing that is loved. The meaning of 'loved' is not defined by saying something is loved. Beloved can be defined as something ...

And what do you think follows from this? That they are not because it is not spelled out for you?

You said "One of the main premises of the Bible ...". It is not a premise of the Bible. This is another example of seeing the Hebrew Bible through the...

Reading and understanding Plato requires the ability to think and put things together. If you are not capable of doing that then I can't bridge the ga...

The belief that we are born of sin if from Paul. It is not found in the Hebrew Bible (OT). In Genesis there is a choice, to sin or avoid sin. With Pau...

No, the definition of loved is not that it is loved. The definition of 'dog' is not "it is a dog". The definition of 'obtuse' is not "it is obtuse". T...

First of all, you need to read it in context. The paragraph from which you quote at 11a begins: He goes on to show why all that follows is problematic...

When he says: what do you think he is talking about?

This reminds me of something from Alice in Wonderland. Alice is told to either say what she means or mean what she says. She can't see the difference ...

What should be clear from the text, but is not clear to you, is that Socrates is showing him that these statements go nowhere. Do you not see how mean...

I use the Brann translation and the Grube translation. Later he reintroduces physical causes:

Like Euthyphro he wants to demonstrate his advanced knowledge of divine things and ends up being laughed at.

I took Plato's Forms to be real. I now see them as part of Plato's philosophical poetry suitable for those who need answers. I now think he is far mor...

Is that really what you think is going on? No, don't answer. I have no more questions.

You really have lost track of things. You said I was confusing Socrates and Plato. Any confusion was on your part.

Yes. This is a thread that I started and that I and others think is of some value. You said it is a waste of time and space. So why are you still here...

It is you who has not followed the dialogue. Socrates does not believe that the pious/good/just is pious/good/just because it is loved (sanctioned/app...

Right. You seem to understand this. I am glad you cleared up your confusion that you attributed to me. But we have not written record of what he might...

Yes, my opinion. But my opinion backed up by what is said in the text. The metaphysical concepts are created by the poetry, just as the gods were crea...