I posted this before, but given the low signal to noise that has plagued this discussion I am going to post it again so that it not get crowded out: S...
The question of who the friend is cannot be answered apart from the question of what friendship is. But what is at issue in practical not theoretical,...
Right, but a lyre is not a living thing. It is not capable of self-movement or self-attunement. Wayfarer makes an important point: With all his talk o...
I am suggesting that his argument against the body being a tuning is problematic. And that the real reason he dismisses it is because if it were accep...
Therein the lie and truth of the charm. But not only did Socrates offer Charmides a charm that was said to be a cure, we must also consider Charmides ...
The characters accept the argument? Maybe, but Socrates merely uses that assent as grist for his mill. All he really has proven is that they should co...
I am far less concerned with the question of a god's existence than with appeals to the authority of a god and abdication of responsibility in the nam...
I think that is a good suggestion and a diplomatic way of putting it. I share your concern that other discussions of the texts that are being crowded ...
Why is it so unsettling to you that my opinions differ from yours and that there are highly regarded scholars whose opinions differ from those you fav...
If you think that what you imagine to be the "mainstream view" is so secure then why are you so insecure as to continually post the same opinions? You...
All of these things have been discussed. You have your opinions, I have mine, and different scholars have theirs as well. Why the obsessive need to re...
Nothing changes when you repeat your opinions about what you believe the poets believed yet again. One must follow the argument in order to determine ...
So, you believe that the Olympian gods actually exist? That may very well be what religious people believe. So, you do believe that Olympian gods exis...
The failure of the argument is the result of the limits of argument. No argument can determine the fate of the soul. This does not mean that myths are...
What is at issue is the fate of Socrates' soul. It is a question of the distinction between the particular and the universal. The immortality of unive...
I do not know the tuning of the lyre, but let's say the strings are tuned in 4ths or 5ths. The standard is independent of any particular lyre, but whe...
The instrument is tuned in accord with the ratios. The particular lyre, however, is in tune only when the strings of that instrument are at the proper...
The tuning does not tune the lyre or body, the lyre or body is tuned according to the tuning. It must exist in order to be tuned. But if the argument ...
I thought Karp's essay was very good. What he does not say explicitly but is implicit is that the work of historians is guided by a philosophy of hist...
Once again you refuse to follow the argument. Claiming it is a special case is special pleading. Are you claiming that Liddell and Scott is wrong? Wer...
You are right, it is not a matter of logical necessity. But it does not follow that in making the gods the poets did something other than create them....
This is question begging. The question is whether or not the soul is immortal. This is not a proof it is an assertion. The fact that Cebes is satisfie...
What it says is: There is no doubt the charms and incantations were used to soothe their fear of death. Your objection was to the terms 'incantations'...
Of course the stories are made with the intent that they be believed. That does not mean the person who makes the stories believes that what he makes ...
The claim that the soul is "special" and therefore what applies to other things he gives examples of as snow and three does not apply to it weak. It d...
Socrates argues that the soul cannot be an attunement if the tuning existed prior to what is tuned. But there is an argument that Socrates neglects to...
If you want to quibble over the difference between 'again and again' and 'repeat' then go ahead. According to Liddell and Scott: Your compulsive obses...
You might presume so, but in making stories about the gods does not entail the existence of gods. And Plato's philosophy is not Greek religion. Your f...
It is a direct quote. Here's another translation: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0170%3Atext%3DPhaedo%3Apage%3D...
What the Greeks knew of the gods was through the tales of the poets. Banishing the poets means banishing the gods. In place of the Greek gods, speech ...
That is both the question and what one hopes to accomplish. But as long as what the good is remains a question we can never be certain that what we st...
It strikes me as perverse. Anyone who has been doing this for more than a minute expects that there will be those who see things differently than you ...
There are two ways of reading the dialogues that move in opposite directions. The first attempts to limit them, to close them off, to put an end to in...
That line of argument is wholly of your own creation. This is not the first time you have done this. You falsely accuse me of saying something then ar...
What you say and what you do are obviously not the same. Or do you think learning involves repeated deliberate misrepresentation? Or is it the incessa...
@"Hanover" said: If the distinction is made between physical and mental substances then the interaction problem must be confronted. Has Hanover solved...
You keep forgetting that you have not read Strauss. If you did you would know that he was a scholar of Plato. Many of his students continue to do scho...
I am not going to go over the same things with you again and again without end. You have stated your position, why repeat it? Why quote yourself repea...
Still arguing against someone you have not read! But Strauss is not the only one you have not read in your attempt to discredit him. Two of the author...
In my opinion, Plato does not want the reader to just accept the arguments, but to examine and evaluate them. Why would he give the examples of three/...
What is translated here as the "abstract idea" is the form. The passage continues with the example of Odd. The "something else" that has the name of t...
I agree. The problem as I see it is this notion that there is an absolute divine authority that has determined all matters ethical, and that by belief...
Hanover uses a semantic distinction in place of an ontological one: physical means natural and therefore non-physical means supernatural. In place of ...
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