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The whole is sum of its parts and each parts is imperfect therefore the whole is imperfect. In fact we can grasp the whole. The whole also is subject ...

I am arguing against an imperfect act which cannot be performed by a perfect being since perfection is the end.

That is logically impossible since an imperfect being/thing doesn't change.

I don't understand your comment. Could you please elaborate?

I believe so. It is simply subconscious mind providing stuff for conscious mind. Is Inter Mind conscious? If yes then we should be aware of it. Otherw...

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Some people enjoy pain. We are not naturally inclined to pain because it is correlated to body destruction. It is our fabric which dictates this.

Formation just allows consciousness to be informed. We are asking why there is just not one consciousness since there exists only one process.

Waves are just formation of the ocean.

I would say that there is only ocean. Waves just give ocean a form.

There is no wave if there is no line of demarcation.

No. The first question is whether ocean has consciousness and if not why? The second question is why there is not only one consciousness when there is...

No, unless you claim that there is a consciousness related to unison.

What I am arguing is that there should be one mind since there is one process.

No, the problem of emergence of a unique consciousness is different from example you gave. Of course urban traffic is a function of number of cars and...

I just put them in the same package giving them a name. What you wishes? Yes, and there is no emergence up to here. What do you mean with relations ar...

Life simply is what you call statistical mechanic when you subtract consciousness from it. It doesn't think and it doesn't have any feeling either. Yo...

All particle are interacting with each other and the motion of the whole is given by Schrodinger equation. That one process. Materialists claim that c...

You are not claiming that your consciousness is mine? There is of course a line between me and you. You have your personal world and I have mine. Our ...

Can you give me an example, except than consciousness, of a property of a system that is not function of properties of system's parts? I am aware of t...

It is not about being small or large. Consciousness is a first person phenomena so you cannot measure it from third person view. All which you can obs...

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We were discussion whether electron for example is conscious. He answered yes. Then I question how a unique consciousness is possible when all parts o...

Well, this thread was about emergence. I argue that it is impossible. Please read this post for further illustration. For what regards consciousness w...

Let me if I can summarize the discussion. Matter is made of parts which each part has a set of properties. For example electron has, charge, mass, spi...

Then you have to deal with my argument.

There is still an issue even if you assume that parts are conscious: How a unique consciousness could arises from parts motions and configurations? We...

Being is a part of reality which has specific properties, like intelligence. Reality is what we experience. Existence is affirmative which shows that ...

Lets see if this works. What I am trying to say is that can not observe consciousness if matter which is constitutes of electron, proton and neutron (...

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Interesting, Inter Mind Model. It does more than experience in my opinion. It decides and acts too. Ok. Ok. Is Qualia generated by brain? Good.

No, consciousness is not an emergent property but a property of matter. Otherwise your argument wouldn't cut. I however think that you will have diffi...

I believe in mind separated from matter. Consciousness is a property of matter is another approach. But consciousness cannot emerge if it is not a pro...

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So feeling is the meaning?

Then you have to accept that consciousness is a property of matter. Sometimes it shows up depending on something and sometimes doesn't show up. Otherw...

No. Everything that we learn about material world indicates that the property of a system is a function of properties of its constitute. Matter is unc...

I believe that is a property of mind. Mind needs consciousness in order to be creative. That doesn't indicate that OP is false. Mater does not have co...

That simply mean that science cannot explain consciousness.

Well, there is no emergent phenomena.

That is one problem that you noticed. Consciousness cannot be expressed as a function of properties of atoms.

Yes. And more, time is fundamental. There exist not a theory which can describe the creation of time or emergence of time.

How could consciousness or subconsciousness be a function of anything!? It create things, in case of human, thoughts, ideas, feelings.

Great. Water for example has a set of properties: density, temperature, volume, shear tension and pressure. All these variable are a function of water...

Let me correct myself. Gender is like an index which defines state of a system. Of course there is a correlation between an observable variable and st...

Yes, that is a good example. Gender to me is similar to state of a system, like gas, liquid, solid in water.

Because the state of system is a function of the properties of its parts.