Questions for dualist

1) It is what is peering out through the eyes, learning, experimenting, creating and evolving.

2) It is what we experience when we are awake.

3) Unconscious mind it's the experience of sleeping between dreams and awake. There remains an unused to awake. Subconscious is somewhere in between.

4) The communication network center that transmits and receives between other minds and other things (sharing).

5) Forms and qualia as vibrations.

6) We act based upon a virtual goal.

I am not a dualist. Mind and matter are the same operating in different directions. Matter is decaying mind as opposed to organizing mind.

Quoting Rich

1) It is what is peering out through the eyes, learning, experimenting, creating and evolving.

I agree.

Quoting Rich

2) It is what we experience when we are awake.

We experience two things. Inside and outside.

Quoting Rich

3) Unconscious mind it's the experience of sleeping between dreams and awake.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Quoting Rich

There remains an unused to awake.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Quoting Rich

Subconscious is somewhere in between.

Yes, if you believe in unconscious mind.

Quoting Rich

4) The communication network center that transmits and receives between other minds and other things (sharing).

It is creative too. Sometimes solution to a problem pops up from subconscious mind into conscious mind.

Quoting Rich

5) Forms and qualia as vibrations.

That what I called matter state. The matter has a property to create it.

Quoting Rich

6) We act based upon a virtual goal.

Yes. You can affect reality. We create virtual goal and follow it. We create a causal chain when we decide.

Quoting Rich

I am not a dualist. Mind and matter are the same operating in different directions.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Quoting Rich

Matter is decaying mind as opposed to organizing mind.

So we have two minds?

Quoting bahman

We experience two things. Inside and outside.

Yes we feel the demarcation though microscopically it dissipates. Whole meditating, this delineation may disappear.

Quoting bahman

3) Unconscious mind it's the experience of sleeping between dreams and awake.
— Rich

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

It is essentially nothingness, but there is still an impulse that causes awakening from the sleep.

Quoting bahman

It is creative too. Sometimes solution to a problem pops up from subconscious mind into conscious mind.

Since the brain is alive, one can certainly say that it is creative in its own way, e.g. when it is healing itself.Quoting bahman

Matter is decaying mind as opposed to organizing mind.
— Rich

So we have two minds?

One way to imagine it is with an analogy to the ocean. The ocean had waves. The waves have the ocean. They are different and the same. There are waves, within waves within waves right down to the quantum level, and maybe even deeper.

Quoting Rich

Yes we feel the demarcation though microscopically it dissipates. Whole mediating, this delineation may disappear.

Mater should have an essence otherwise we have to accept the fact that it is illusion, therefore it needs a sustainer, so called God.

Quoting Rich

It is essentially nothingness, but there is still an impulse that causes awakening from the sleep.

So you believe that matter is an illusion therefore there is a sustainer?

Quoting bahman

Mater should have an essence otherwise we have to accept the fact that it is illusion, therefore it needs a sustainer, so called God.

Matter is energy which is non-substantive but we still feel something. It is like steam that condenses to b water that condenses to ice. Insubstantiality moving toward substantially.

Quoting bahman

So you believe that matter is an illusion therefore there is a sustainer?

Not at all. It is real and is exactly as we feel it.

To best explore life one should develop all senses but most especially that of feeling.

Quoting Rich

Matter is energy which is non-substantive but we still feel something. It is like steam that condenses to b water that condenses to ice. Insubstantiality moving toward substantially.

So you believe that matter is an illusion therefore there is a sustainer?
— bahman

Not at all. It is real and is exactly as we feel it.

So matter has an essence?

Quoting bahman

So matter has an essence?

As an wave in an ocean. Differences and similarities.

Quoting Rich

As an wave in an ocean. Differences and similarities.

Ocean is the matter and wave is forms. Matter has an essence. Things that we experience cannot comes from nothing, I mean the end of matter when you cannot focus more.

Quoting bahman

Things that we experience cannot comes from nothing, I mean the end of matter when you cannot focus more.

What do you think is the essence of quantum waves?

Quoting Rich

What do you think is the essence of quantum waves?

It is essence of matter. It is something. Otherwise we are dealing with an illusion and what we experience is generate by the essence who is the sustainer. There is no other way around.

Quoting bahman

It is essence of matter

Yes, it is mind vibrating.

Quoting Rich

Yes, it mind vibrating.

So the universe is made of vibrating mind instead of those tiny higher dimensional strings of energy?

Quoting Rich

Yes, it mind vibrating.

Good. What about inside? We can affect the reality. Is there an essence inside too?

Quoting Marchesk

So the universe is made of vibrating mind instead of those tiny higher dimensional strings of energy?

One and the same.

Quoting bahman

Good. What about inside? We can affect the reality. Is there an essence inside too?

What is inside mind? Take a look and tell me what you find. I think you might find it is endless in possibilities.

Quoting Rich

What is inside mind?

Everything is outside to mind.

Quoting Rich

Take a look and tell Mr what you find.

I am talking about inside. You realm which your thoughts and feeling happen within. We can change reality. Therefore there is an essence inside too. Something which can affects reality. Nothing cannot affect reality.

Quoting Rich

One and the same.

So we are illusions created by the mind tricking ourselves.

Quoting bahman

So we are illusions created by the mind tricking ourselves.

No, it is exactly as we experience it. No illusions.

Quoting bahman

I am talking about inside. You realm which your thoughts and feeling happen within. We can change reality

You mean like dreams, ideas, possible actions?Quoting bahman

Therefore there is an essence inside too. Something which can affects reality. Nothing cannot affect reality.

It's not nothing. It's Mind.

Try an experiment. Think about picking up something and then pick it up. That is what the Mind can do - waves of mind

Quoting Rich

No, it is exactly as we experience it. No illusions.

So we are different and there are minds as many as people?

Quoting Rich

You mean like dreams, ideas, possible actions?

Yes.

Quoting Rich

It's not nothing. It's Mind.

Try an experiment. Think about picking up something and then pick it up. That is what the Mind can do - waves of mind

So you believe that you have a mind? Why you are not dualist then?

Quoting bahman

So you believe that you have a mind? What you are not dualist then?

We are mind.

Quoting Rich

We are mind.

Isn't that right to say that we are minds? Why you use singulaur mind?

Reply to bahman Is the ocean many waves or are many waves the ocean? It is all the same.

Quoting bahman

1) What is mind? The Inter Mind Model distinguishes between the Physical Mind and the Conscious Mind and proposes that there must be another processing stage that connects them together. This connecting and processing stage is called the Inter Mind.

2) What is conscious mind? The Conscious Mind is the final processing stage where Conscious phenomenon like the experience of the color Red happens.

3) What is subconscious mind? It is background processing in the Physical Mind, I'll let the Psychologists explain that one.

4) What is brain for? The Brain, or the Physical Mind, is the front end processing for sensory perception.

5) What do we experience? We experience our own inner Conscious phenomenon usually called the Qualia. I like to call the Light Qualia, Conscious Light, because it is more descriptive. The important distinction here is that we have never experienced Physical Light but only our internal Conscious Light. We think the Conscious Light is the Physical Light only because it is all we have ever known about Physical Light.

6) How do we act? The Conscious Mind has to have a Volitional input capability back through the Inter Mind to the Physical Mind in order for action to happen.

Quoting SteveKlinko

1) What is mind? The Inter Mind Model distinguishes between the Physical Mind and the Conscious Mind and proposes that there must be another processing stage that connects them together. This connecting and processing stage is called the Inter Mind.

Interesting, Inter Mind Model.

Quoting SteveKlinko

2) What is conscious mind? The Conscious Mind is the final processing stage where Conscious phenomenon like the experience of the color Red happens.

It does more than experience in my opinion. It decides and acts too.

Quoting SteveKlinko

3) What is subconscious mind? It is background processing in the Physical Mind, I'll let the Psychologists explain that one.

Ok.

Quoting SteveKlinko

4) What is brain for? The Brain, or the Physical Mind, is the front end processing for sensory perception.

Ok.

Quoting SteveKlinko

5) What do we experience? We experience our own inner Conscious phenomenon usually called the Qualia. I like to call the Light Qualia, Conscious Light, because it is more descriptive. The important distinction here is that we have never experienced Physical Light but only our internal Conscious Light. We think the Conscious Light is the Physical Light only because it is all we have ever known about Physical Light.

Is Qualia generated by brain?

Quoting SteveKlinko

6) How do we act? The Conscious Mind has to have a Volitional input capability back through the Inter Mind to the Physical Mind in order for action to happen.

Good.

Reply to bahman Is Qualia generated by brain?
The Inter Mind is the connection between the Physical Mind (Brain) and the Conscious Mind. The Inter Mind is a translator. I think the Physical Mind can only do Neural Activity things. The Inter Mind is in contact with the Physical Mind and translates the Neural Activity into something that the Conscious Mind can use, like Qualia. The Conscious Mind is a further processing stage that uses the Qualia as input data. Qualia is just another type of Data.

Quoting SteveKlinko

Is Qualia generated by brain?

I believe so. It is simply subconscious mind providing stuff for conscious mind.

Quoting SteveKlinko

The Inter Mind is the connection between the Physical Mind (Brain) and the Conscious Mind. The Inter Mind is a translator. I think the Physical Mind can only do Neural Activity things. The Inter Mind is in contact with the Physical Mind and translates the Neural Activity into something that the Conscious Mind can use, like Qualia. The Conscious Mind is a further processing stage that uses the Qualia as input data. Qualia is just another type of Data.

Is Inter Mind conscious? If yes then we should be aware of it. Otherwise I call it subconscious mind. We might have several subconscious mind.

Reply to bahman Is Inter Mind Conscious?
I think only the Conscious Mind is Conscious. The Physical Mind and the Inter Mind are front end and intermediate processing stages. The only thing we know is what we experience in our Conscious Minds.

Quoting SteveKlinko

Is Inter Mind Conscious?
I think only the Conscious Mind is Conscious. The Physical Mind and the Inter Mind are front end and intermediate processing stages. The only thing we know is what we experience in our Conscious Minds.

So you could consider them as subconscious mind. Unless you have a reason to distinguish them from each other.

Reply to bahman So you could consider them as subconscious mind. Unless you have a reason to distinguish them from each other.

The Inter Mind bridges between the Subconscious and the Conscious. It is probably more Subconscious than Conscious.