Of course I have addressed it. But he insisted that Socrates was tried for atheism. To which I replied that the charge was "making other new deities" ...
This isn't about Plato's use of myths. It is about your claim that Socrates at 114d is telling his friends that "one should “sing incantations to hims...
The verb is ??????? epaeido “sing to someone as to soothe him” which is the same verb used at 77e in the sense of “sing someone’s fear away”: https://...
Well, I've been accused of being an "evangelist", "Christian Neo-Platonist", and many other things which are totally untrue. So, I'm not the only one ...
Incidentally, Socrates does not say "one should sing incantations to himself, over and over again". The text simply says "There is a need to sing such...
Well, that's exactly where the problem lies. You are not "allowing the dialogue to open up" at all. You are reading things into it that are simply not...
Correct. People forget that politics is about power. Some "celebrities" imagine that because they have a few thousand followers they can run for the W...
But you are quoting that out of context, aren't you? Socrates was obviously talking about rational, evidence-based argument, not evidence-free specula...
Apparently, even by the British: “These differences of opinion on economic matters within the Group did not disrupt the Group, because it was founded ...
I think you got it all wrong. As I said, I'm here to learn. And what I've learned from your comments is that Straussian esotericism isn't always the b...
That is entirely possible. After all, the Greeks had colonies throughout the Mediterranean and Black Sea region. So, there was a lot of potential for ...
I think this highlights the dangers of being too close to an increasingly assertive and aggressive China. People are taken in by cheap Chinese product...
As I said, Plato's political theory may be interpreted in many different ways. It may be argued that he advocated a form of theocracy. But we must not...
Of course he does, he was a political scientist. However, Plato's politics has been interpreted in many different and mutually contradictory ways. To ...
Totally wrong. I am simply presenting the position of scholars and explaining why Strauss does not demonstrate that Plato is an atheist, as you yourse...
I think the main issue is what Plato's own intention was. I tend to believe that he wrote for educated intellectuals, i.e., a relatively small social ...
The point I was making earlier in my reply to Fooloso4 was: And, as explained on the other thread, given that Socrates used his account of immortality...
As shown by Gerson and others, some modifications in Platonic philosophy did take place in the course of history, but Platonism (including so-called "...
As previously stated, paradise being the ultimate goal of Christian religion and philosophy, it may be useful to see how beliefs about paradise can be...
One of the criticisms of Strauss is that he not only believes in the esotericism and “hidden meaning” of ancient authors but he himself practices this...
As pointed out by Gerson, Platonism was generally accepted by Platonists and scholars alike from antiquity into the 19th century. The Anti-Platonist t...
"In the course of recounting his conversations with others, Socrates says something enigmatic: “About myself I knew that I know nothing” (22d; cf. Fin...
You have already admitted that the dialogues do not teach atheism. If all Socrates does is ask questions and express opinions, then it cannot be infer...
It is logically possible that Socrates was an agnostic. As to his "ignorance", it says nothing about his religious beliefs and even less about those o...
I agree with @Bartricks. The statements listed are not arguments and they certainly do not prove that God does not exist, assuming this to be the inte...
I said "Straussianism" by which I meant Strauss as applied by his followers like Fooloso4: Fooloso4 claims that Plato is an atheist. But he has failed...
Well, life tends to be circular and repetitive. We do the same things day after day. The solar system we live in is circular and repetitive with plane...
I think many concepts developed by later thinkers are present in the Platonic corpus in seed form and were likely discussed in the Academy: “For this ...
It may seem so. Provided that God "snoops" in the same way and with the same implications as humans do. But I'm not sure this has been shown to be the...
The way I see it, the fundamental problem with using Straussianism to interpret Plato in an anti-Platonist sense, is that Strauss was controversial fr...
It isn't about opinion, it's about evidence. You can opine anything you wish. But you shouldn't pretend that you have evidence when you have none. Ver...
It may be "convoluted" to the intellectually challenged. However, an Athenian artisan or sculptor who made images of Gods did so because he believed i...
Do you really not realize the absurdity of what you are saying, or are you just pretending? Whether someone is guilty or not depends solely on the evi...
And as I said, the Good is an intelligent first principle that transcends and contains all other things: The same is clear from the Timaeus: And he be...
The question of atheism was meaningless anyway since Socrates was not an atheist. He believed that the charge against him was wrong. That's why he con...
It does as described in the analogy of the Sun, that's why I've repeatedly told you to go back to the analogy and read it again. “The Sun, I presume y...
I've rephrased that for clarity. What I'm saying is that the issue is not whether he disbelieved in the Gods of Athens but whether he disbelieved in G...
I think you are becoming irrational now. What you are saying is that you are unable to prove that Socrates was an atheist, so you bring "Spinoza" and ...
:grin: I think you are confused. The meaning is clear: intelligent first principle that transcends and contains all other things. What doesn't matter ...
That's exactly what I'm saying. Socrates does not explicitly deny the existence of gods. Therefore, it cannot be asserted that he was an atheist. You ...
You are not paying attention. I said the Good, the One or the Unmoved Mover: It doesn't matter what you call it. What matters is that it is an intelli...
In that case, why are you using Strauss to support your spurious theory that Plato teaches atheism? They don't need to be Gods. They exist within the ...
Are you sure English is your first language??? The philosopher first uses reason to think about the Forms and eventually "sees" or experiences them by...
So, you actually agree with me. Strauss of course did not demonstrate that Plato was an atheist. And neither have you. I don't know what you hope to a...
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