I can't say that I'm really convinced though. I tend to think that violation of dignity is commonly associated with condescension or being exposed to ...
Only in your imagination. You volunteered to tell us that Strauss is one of your most important scholars whose ideas you are using in defense of your ...
Irrelevant. The fact that they helped him does not mean that they didn't become friends or that their anti-Platonist ideas did not influence him. They...
Socrates hypothesizes or speculates about many things. That doesn't make those things. e.g., virtue, beauty or justice, just speculation. The point So...
There you go again. Of course texts may have "a deeper meaning". The issue is to be able to provide evidence in support of what you claim is that deep...
Strauss was certainly close to Fabian Socialists like Laski and Tawney so presumably there was some influence? But I suggest you read my post again. M...
:rofl: Good try. Unfortunately for you, I never "touted" anything. It was a book I had just picked up and it discussed the rising use of psychological...
Yes, this seems to be the trend in modern society. "Equality" is a very appealing concept, but as the experience of communist societies has shown, it ...
Well, Strauss has been accused of many things just as he and others have accused Plato. However, as stated by R H Crossman, it had become fashionable ...
As usual, you make a claim, then deny having made it, keep asking when you made it, and then you accuse others of repeating themselves when they show ...
I think the position of Vedanta especially in the Advaita tradition is very close to the Platonism of Plotinus. In discussing metaphysical realities, ...
I fully agree. Though I've been accused of "evangelism" and all sorts of nonsense here, my position is closest to agnosticism which, from a purely phi...
Well, I don't know if you realize this, actually you probably don't, but you are proving my point. You are talking about the 1930's there, are you not...
And yet you sound very much like Shorey and other anti-Platonists of the 1930's onward. Their usual method is to start by taking a dialogue in isolati...
What "bluster and noise"? I have conclusively shown that Socrates' dialectic is sound and is quite capable of producing valid knowledge when correctly...
Sure. If you put it that way, you could be right. But what about "spiritual"? I tend to think that since the soul is immortal, non-physical, and the l...
Sorry, but I think what you are saying is totally and utterly untrue. It is you who is pretending that you never said it. You said Plato and/or Socrat...
As a matter of fact, I know far more than you think. And anti-Platonists like Dickinson, Shorey, and Crossman are rather notorious characters in the l...
Yes, I think that tends to happen anywhere. But in some places discrimination can happen in reverse, too. For, example, if you had an upper-class acce...
Not at all, I just hadn't realized you were still there. But I see you're still looking for evidence of Plato's non-existent "atheism" .... :grin: Any...
I know enough to criticize their methodology and so does Gerson. Of course you would disagree with the criticism since you are following the same flaw...
I think the "Passion" of Christ refers in the first place to the suffering of Christ from late Latin passio "suffering, experience of pain". Though, I...
In the case of a human monitor, sure. But, presumably, there is a difference between a human and God? If God is our creator, sustainer, etc. then he i...
That's what I'm saying, it isn't a syllogism because it doesn't show how you arrive at that conclusion. So it must be just random and unconnected stat...
Well, even a "position of skepticism" is a position. But I think you are probably talking about radical skepticism there, which in my view is a form o...
This is your logic: 1. Gerson may be right about Platonism being about building a theoretical construct out of "Ur-Platonism". 2. But if he is, this s...
Not exactly. The way I see it, the soul or spirit proper is the nous. But the nous is attached to a mind-body (psyche kai soma) compound: A. Nous (int...
I know what you mean. However, you could refer to the soul as “I” when talking about your own soul but when talking about soul in general, it would be...
Well, I think either we are using terms like "spiritual" or we are not. If we are, then we can't backtrack by saying that we are "ambivalent" about th...
I'm not sure that would apply to God. In the same way a child's dignity is not violated by the parent's knowledge of intimate details about the child,...
Your claim was this: My reply was this: The soul or spirit is, by definition, spiritual. The onus is on you to show that this is not the case. Also, r...
Not at all. As usual, you seem to be alternating between diversion and evasion, on one hand and puerile ad hominems on the other, in the false hope th...
Organic matter being infused with rudiments of consciousness sounds entirely reasonable to me. We can't perceive matter without consciousness anyway. ...
Monogamy certainly exists in nature, apparently among turtle doves, swans, etc. Even when not long term, it does occur at least for one or several mat...
I think you are confused. Socrates says quite clearly, “there is another section in which it advances from its assumption to a beginning or principle ...
If the soul is an immortal, non-physical, and life-giving entity, I think that makes it spiritual, from Latin spiritus: "spirit A supernatural being, ...
That the Good is a meta-principle that explains the function of other, subordinate principles as part of a harmonious whole, is evident from Socrates’...
I think it is quite clear that the spiritual part of the soul is that which is immortal in it, the principle of life that animates the body-mind compl...
Well, looking at this thread, it certainly looks that way :grin: But I wouldn't worry too much about it. When I was in my early teens, no one at schoo...
I must agree with that. I think that there is a working class, middle class, and upper class in every complex society. The system may be more rigid in...
So, it seems that in some cases, some forms of loathing are replaced by others and it comes down to which forms of loathing are preferable. Sounds lik...
Correct. Plato's own system was far from finalized. Obviously, all the essential features were already in place. But there was some debate within the ...
Very interesting. I do agree that it is a matter of scale. I think "village culture" tends to be quite local. Where would you say that class differenc...
But people can discriminate against others on grounds of religion, political ideology, race, gender, etc. I don't know if accent is really that import...
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