Not a great fan myself, but I would say definitely yes. And there are no doubt some other missing categories because I was just testing when I set it up.
I think the more to discuss, the better, so I'm in favor of it.
I also think you should immediately create an unmoderated section just so people will know that there is a jail, since some heathens here obviously have no fear of hell.
I also think you should immediately create an unmoderated section just so people will know that there is a jail, since some heathens here obviously have no fear of hell.
Or just ban them from the site. Although, perhaps it'd be good to have a forum to move any pseudophilosophy and/or threads of an insufficient quality, if there isn't one yet. It can at least provide some entertainment.
Reply to Human What? No I'm not. By "heathens" I metaphorically meant only members that have violated the forum rules a sufficient number of times to warrant them being banned. A "PF heathen" rather than the usual sort.
Sorry for the confusion.
And besides, "free speech" should and does have limits.
It's a moot point whether free speech should have limits. Personally I am in favour of complete freedom in a forum like this, as long as there are no negative legal or physical consequences.
I signed up to the Terms of Service without reading them as usual, but I just had a quick look and I think the forum rules there don't go much beyond "no negative legal or physical consequences".
I just realized that if you hover just to the right of where it says "minutes ago" that the word "reply" will appear. I'll be a master in no time.
It actually appears when you hover over someone's post, not just on that specific space. And you quote by selecting the text at which point a quote button will appear near the selected text.
t actually appears when you hover over someone's post, not just on that specific space. And you quote by selecting the text at which point a quote button will appear near the selected text.
Reply to Human There will likely be rules very similar to Philosophy Forums. There wasn't an "unmoderated" forum on the other site for most of it's existence. Instead, "heathens" were just banned from posting. In my view, it's not essential to preserve posting rights indefinitely, and have "heathens" restricted to an unmoderated forum.
Reply to Human Well, let me put it this way: I think I know jamalrob well enough to predict the sort of rules that he'll put in place. I predict that free speech on this site will have at least one restriction, namely that you won't be able to post whatever you like wherever you like for as long as you like. If this restriction isn't put in place, I predict that the overall quality of this philosophy forum will diminish as a result.
Ok, so you're assuming that this will be a (quite possibly benevolent) dictatorship. But that is only an assumption. I think it is a matter that merits discussion.
I don't know jamalrob well enough to predict what he might do.
JamalRob is the new Porat. After seeing how simply we all gave up information to that Brooklyn thug, he thought, I can do this too and better by lulling them into a false sense of security.
You better not have used the same password for this site as you do for your e-mail or you're doomed...
Is it not currently a de facto dictatorship? Anyway, I hope that whatever form of governance this site takes, it works just as well - if not better - than the other site. If it's to be more democratic, I still think we need a worthy constitution - which might mean that it be formed undemocratically to an extent, for example, by overruling absolute majority decisions.
Perhaps if a majority of members make a poor decision, then a majority of elites can overrule them.
And if a majority of elites make a poor decision...? Tuff shit? Lol.
Mayor of SimpletonOctober 21, 2015 at 13:57#1020 likes
Could we simply call it 'Fetisch of Religion'? :D
Anyway...
... it's a 'soft target' and a location to rant and rave.
I'd rather think it is more a sub-section of Social Sciences, but I don't think many would agree.
Perhaps we could make it more sexy and exciting by calling it 'Tent Revival' or 'Soapbox Sophistry' la Elmer Gantry? (L)
It has it's place... I suppose.
The bigger question I would have is do we have an option for internal replies?
This is very useful, especially in a Philosophy of Religion section.
I still think we need a worthy constitution - which might mean that it be formed undemocratically to an extent, for example, by overruling absolute majority decisions.
I will write a Constitution for you guys. I'm abreast on the natural rights each of us were endowed by my Creator (not yours, you're godless). I can put something together. One thing I might change is giving Senators 8 year terms instead of 6 and somewhat strengthening the right to bear arms.
One real question to everyone, is there a way to get a listing of only the threads you've participated in like existed on that other site I used to frequent? I used to use the "My Threads" button, but I can't find one here. I tried to cut and paste theirs over here, but it doesn't work that way.
One real question to everyone, is there a way to get a listing of only the threads you've participated in like existed on that other site I used to frequent? I used to use the "My Threads" button, but I can't find one here. I tried to cut and paste theirs over here, but it doesn't work that way.
I don't think so, but you can bookmark discussions to list them under your bookmarks. Also kind of maybe relevant is that you get notifications when people quote you or reply to you. It would be nice though, I agree. I'll see what Mr PlushForums says about it.
The "comments" shows my comments and not the comments others have made to my comments. I do like having a quick listing of everything I have previosly said just to admire. I would like a button that says "Hanover's Comments" available to everyone so that everyone else can admire my comments on demand like I can. That would be helpful to everyone, but especially to Wosret and other stupid people in need of wisdom.
Mayor of SimpletonOctober 21, 2015 at 20:58#1690 likes
Actually...
... we all sort of have that.
All we have to do is 'click' your name to direct to your profile and then 'click' comments in your profile.
Bang!
There is on my screen is a 'wall of wisdom' coming from Miss Georgia herself. :D
Reply to Sir2u When your mouse pointer is hovering over your post you should see an edit button appear underneath the body of the post, just to the right of the time. If you're on mobile you could probably tap your post to make it appear.
Question 2: The tweeting bird??? (Not familiar with Twitter)
Question 3: How much stuff can be in the used archive until it's full?
If there's something that I was really dissappointed in the old PF was that old threads were not anymore possible to open. Yeah I get it, Paul ran out of space. Before it really was great that I could search literally everything and open up something from years ago. Especially this was great in Politics: to look at what people said when something happened. The obtainable archive got extremely small, actually.
Question 2: The tweeting bird??? (Not familiar with Twitter)
Question 3: How much stuff can be in the used archive until it's full?
1. So I'll try mentioning @Hanover and see what happens. I guess it links to the profile, and I think he gets a notification he's been mentioned too.
2. You can paste in a tweet's permalink, and it embeds the tweet within your post like this:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/656805134391971840[/tweet]
3. What archive? Do you mean uploaded files? Posts are unlimited and on the current plan we've got 20GB storage space for files in total.
All kinds of hidden bells and whistles it seems. I'm figuring the place out, took me a couple minutes to figure out how to reply to a message I got.
Landru Guide UsOctober 22, 2015 at 07:16#2170 likes
I see you can click on the name of the poster who is being quoted and that takes you to the original post quoted. A useful feature most sites have, but the old PF didn't have (or if it did I never could find it)
Reply to The outlaw Josey Wales Haven't noticed the time problem. The second one looks like expected behaviour: it's assuming your first name is The. This software is geared more to communities where people use their real names: within businesses, universities, etc.
So I'm going to email the developers to request some features. I get a feeling they're pretty conservative, happy with the software as it is, but there's no harm in asking. Here's my list so far:
Reporting posts. To make moderation easier it would be good if posts could be reported or flagged.
It would be good to have another option in the user's profile along with a user's comments, discussions and mentions: discussions they have taken part in.
Muted discussions. When you don't want to see a discussion appear in the main discussions screen.
3. What archive? Do you mean uploaded files? Posts are unlimited and on the current plan we've got 20GB storage space for files in total.
Thanks for the answers. (Hey, I got the quote-thing working! Nice and easy! :) ) OK, follow on question for those computer experts you are.
Just how many pages of "ordinary" PF debate threads (with images etc) can 20GB hold? A Decade of intense philosophical discourse? If someone opens a thread "Your best pictures of your cat or piano" the cat-lovers and the piano players of PF might use up gigabytes of storage space very quickly. Or the question put in another way: If the "Old PF" was running out of memory and had to limit the threads that could be opened, how much storage space Paul had roughly? Just to get a comparison, if you know.
Now I guess that the provider can give additional memory space, but that highers the costs.
Why I ask actually is that if you have a good discussion, typically people will give great links to articles or sites that can be useful later. And as many things are debated over and over again, referring to old threads is useful, which means finding them easily is a very good thing. Now after a year one (at least me) has trouble to remember just where the interesting thread was. So the "Old PF" (why don't we call it OPF), the OPF-search ability (check your posts or someone else's and look for the term like "heteroscedasticity") gave you what you were looking for in no time.
Now I guess that the provider can give additional memory space, but that highers the costs.
I personally don't think anything is wrong with advertisement generating some income for this site. I think a skyscraper add on the left or right would work fine without interfering with the user experience.
I think numbering posts would be nice. Sometimes the conversation gets convoluted, and being able to reference a post verbally helps in untangling the confusions. [though the link-back feature is something I had mentioned at PF as helpful, so it's cool to see that here]
I personally don't think anything is wrong with advertisement generating some income for this site. I think a skyscraper add on the left or right would work fine without interfering with the user experience.
No way. That's just what we're trying to get away from here. The donations route should be fine. At $49 a month, we only need to pay a couple of bucks each per month to cover the fees. By the time we need to expand and pay more, we'll have more members to pay it.
http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/261#Post_261 <-- While I don't know how, it would be pretty cool if we could add script too. Ya'know, while we're asking.;)
After snooping around here and there and testing things out and reading this and that I've come to the conclusion about what this site feels like: Youtube comments with way smarter people and added formatting. :D
Philosophy of religion is the most perfect sub- forum. Since an existing sub-forum is more perfect than a non existing sub-forum, it must necessarily exist!
we should get KwalishKid back too — Benkei
Yes. Hell, get TGW over here too.
You're an admin over there. Why don't you just unban everyone and let the inmates run free? Quoting Baden
I personally don't think anything is wrong with advertisement generating some income for this site. I think a skyscraper add on the left or right would work fine without interfering with the user experience. — Benkei
No way. That's just what we're trying to get away from here. The donations route should be fine. At $49 a month, we only need to pay a couple of bucks each per month to cover the fees. By the time we need to expand and pay more, we'll have more members to pay it.
I didn't leave because of the fear of advertisements. I left because the new owner had some issues he wouldn't discuss and I was getting less than stellar customer service over there from the absentee owner. I think if Paul would have brought up ads to save the site, we'd have all gotten aboard. It was a reality we needed to deal with.
Having said that, since it seems some really hate ads, what I think we need is a suggested donation amount based upon what we need to continue operating without putting too much stress on any one person (i.e. Jamalrob). Financial situations change, and we don't want to repeat what just happened by just assuming someone is picking up the tab. We also don't want to put anyone in the position of having to beg, borrow, or steal when things get tough, so let's come up with a way to assure financial security. If that means ads for everyone, ads for nonmembers only, membership fees, suggested donations, or whatever will work, I'm in favor of it. But the "it'll work itself out" idea works until it doesn't.
We also don't want to put anyone in the position of having to beg, borrow, or steal when things get tough, so let's come up with a way to assure financial security..
Agreed. This is what we should have been talking about with Paul when he was in trouble. Subscription seems the best bet for me. A dollar or two each a month, which won't break any of us, and we can keep this place ad free and ticking over fine.
Speaking of which, would it be a problem to ban posters who have paid a fee? Would it be like incarcerating people even though they paid their taxes? Or more like breach of contract?
Reply to Mongrel Well, if there was indeed a contract that said that donations or subscriptions provide protection against being banned then it would break the contract to ban them. But otherwise no. Wherever in the world you pay for membership you can be kicked out for bad behaviour or otherwise not following the rules.
Private schools can expel students, too. And they don't get a refund of previous years' tuition.
The outlaw Josey WalesOctober 24, 2015 at 00:53#6700 likes
I am still seeing every post that someone posts as a "hour ago" or "two hours" ago when indeed it's in real time. Perhaps, this is because my computer has problems. My pc time always needs to be adjusted. If this is a issue that I am only having then I can deal with it. I got this pc for 5 bucks at a garage sale.
unenlightenedOctober 26, 2015 at 16:57#11771 likes
One thing that seems a bit lacking here is transparency. I think it was important to the atmosphere at pf that one could see the banned list, the editor of edited posts, deleted posts and threads, and so on. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance and so on.
Perhaps what facilities are unavailable in the format could be substituted for in a thread, ideally only postable to by staff, - moderating events/decisions. I'd also like to see posting guidelines and moderating guidelines. At the moment, 'everyone knows' that the principles are broadly those of pf, but there will be newbies, and it would be good to get these things established before they are needed.
Does one have the ability to reverse an edit? If not, that'd be a useful feature. I just accidentally edited over one of my previous posts instead of posting a new comment.
Reply to Moliere Yeah, that's been noted. I don't hold out much hope for MathJax as a feature request, to be honest, but I'll add it to the list.
Mayor of SimpletonOctober 27, 2015 at 17:02#14440 likes
I noticed something that I'm not sure what it is or means or does... yep... I'm not sure.
When going to the 'All Discussions' page, some of the topics are 'highlighted' (normal looking) and other are 'lowlighted' (somewhat dim in appearance).
unenlightenedOctober 28, 2015 at 03:03#15161 likes
I don't know if the software will allow it, but come the day when there are uninvited newbies, and therefore spammers of course, it might be convenient to place some restriction on them; either a first post moderation before publication, or else a requirement to be on the site for a half-hour, say (to give them time to read those guidelines and look at a few threads). The latter, particularly, would help to set the tone, and really annoy the spammers, by wasting more of their time than they waste of ours.
Reply to unenlightened The closest thing I can do to that, I think, is set things up so that new sign-ups have to be approved. But that makes things a lot less open than I would prefer. I don't know, what do you think?
Pre-moderation of all posts is an option too, but we'll never go down that route.
unenlightenedOctober 28, 2015 at 05:54#15240 likes
Well I expected it wouldn't be possible, but I always thought that it was a bit too easy to sign up and spout off in pf. Good posters tend to lurk a bit anyway. Open is good, but some kind of speed hump? Actually, needing approval would work - you give it every time, but they have to wait a bit. If it's flagged up in advance, most spammers won't bother to sign up.
Yes, at the moment the advantage of relative search engine invisibility is that we hover under the radar of most spammers, trolls and other undesirables. Almost everyone here being an invitee, let us enjoy the exclusivity while it lasts.
I love both the reading group and the idea of an article section. Did we decide against blogs? Also.. If there was a place a person could drop ideas of articles they would like to read... that would be cool. Should I just make a thread: "Articles I'd like to see written."? or "Articles I would read." ?
Another thing I enjoy is imagining debates between famous philosophers. Two posters each become a philosopher. . Pedestrian?
Also.. If there was a place a person could drop ideas of articles they would like to read... that would be cool. Should I just make a thread: "Articles I'd like to see written."? or "Articles I would read." ?
Good idea. Go ahead and start a thread in the Article submissions category if you want to.
Pre-moderation of all posts is an option too, but we'll never go down that route.
Is there any way to make posting available only after emailed confirmation login? If so the emails could probable be delayed for a while so that they have a chance to just read. I have seen other sites do this.
Reply to Sir2u Yes, that option exists too, although it cannot be delayed. Admin approval for new signups combined with email confirmation should work pretty well I think.
Well I expected it wouldn't be possible, but I always thought that it was a bit too easy to sign up and spout off in pf. Good posters tend to lurk a bit anyway. Open is good, but some kind of speed hump? Actually, needing approval would work - you give it every time, but they have to wait a bit. If it's flagged up in advance, most spammers won't bother to sign up.
One thing that PF had that I think was quite effective was the automatic text speak/spelling detection. When I first signed up I bashed out a reply to someone only to be automatically informed that I should fix up my post. At the time I thought you were a bunch of snobs who I couldn't be bothered with and left. I'm sure plenty of other newbies have had similar experiences.
It's great because it gives a poster information about the quality required without actually making it more difficult to get going. I doubt that's possible here but would be good to at least provide newbies with a condensed version of the posting guidelines when they sign up.
I would be really hesitant to make it harder for people to sign up or have a waiting period. Currently it will be difficult to get more members as we are not on google and even if we don't intend to be, we are in competition with the other forums.
For sure it's reasonable if we get bigger but for now I reckon we shouldn't put barriers in front of people joining.
Reply to jamalrob I'm not sure about this idea. I think it's too likely to turn people away. If I sign up to a forum I expect to be able to use it right away, not wait a few hours for an admin to finally sign in and approve me. By then I might have left and found somewhere else.
Reply to ProbablyTrue Two others have mentioned this as well so I've added it to the feature requests here: http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/30/feature-requests/p1
Currently I can change other colours but not the main body background or side menu background.
ProbablyTrueNovember 02, 2015 at 08:13#20230 likes
Reply to jamalrob Ahh I see. Well that should be an easy update for them. Thanks.
Part of the justification for that @Monitor is that files use up much more space than posts, and eventually more space is something we'll have to pay more for.
http://postimage.org
There are a bunch of other sites like that. You can use it or just google 'upload images'. You upload images to the site and it will create a link so you can post them to the forum.
It seems that there are some bugs brought about by disabling the likes. The members list filters (name, staff, online) don't work, and tapping a comment doesn't bring up the edit option on my phone - although it works for this comment, so maybe it's only comments prior to the change which are effected. I can still edit posts via moderator tools.
Reply to Cavacava Yes they redeveloped the subscription system so that it actually sets up recurring payments through PayPal, and this has presumably nullified existing subscriptions. Not sure what I have to do about that yet.
Reply to jamalrob I guess they fixed it for regular members. It works on my own posts. But, as a moderator, on my phone, I can still only edit the comments of others via moderator tools, rather than tapping on a comment to bring up the edit option. But it's no big deal.
Well, on a laptop the "Edit" button isn't showing at all for other members' post, whether I click "Moderation Tools" or not. I also don't have the Delete, Move, or Split options I had before.
I just have:
Edit: Seems like this is only the case in Feedback. Works fine in other categories.
ArguingWAristotleTiffNovember 20, 2015 at 11:16#37490 likes
Gotcha! Thank you for information. Also is the (L) option no longer available to show you like a post?
We had a poll and it looked like people didn't like likes very much so I turned likes off. Ideally I'd like likes for posts but not accruing to members, but that's not an option (not yet anyway).
ArguingWAristotleTiffNovember 20, 2015 at 11:27#37530 likes
ArguingWAristotleTiffDecember 05, 2015 at 21:59#47880 likes
Reply to jamalrob
Is it possible to create a room for sponsors of sorts? I utilized the "Green Room" quite a bit and it just seemed like a place that people knew what to expect and it was rarely Philosophy but rather a community table of something as simple as chit chat or deep thoughts about what in a member's personal life might be playing out.
Yes, I suggest this for personal reasons but I do so miss that back booth at the pub~ Almost as much as I miss my hometown of Chicago and the family it holds. Surprising to read what I just wrote, but it is a true feeling for me. It tells me just how much you all mean to me and that, THAT, I cherish~
(L)
I was unable to sign up for over a year, and it occurs to me that it was because my attempts were from a different PC. I signed up finally on my home laptop. Now I try to log in via that alternate desktop and I cannot. I can enter email and password, but the button does nothing. Same problem as signing up. Got to entering London (not there anymore??), but the do-it button never did anything.
Several different browsers all acted the same.
This means I can only view the site as a guest for three days in the middle of most weeks. I cannot reply to posts directed at me.
As guest, I cannot see the age of the posts. Is that deliberate?
Reply to noAxioms I'm having a hard time interpreting your comment, nA. Are you saying you can't log in from one of the computers or devices that you normally use? I've never heard of this problem before. I don't know what you mean by "entering London" and "the do-it button".
Reply to jamalrobI used to be asked the capitol of England as part of the signup process last year. That was always as far as I got. I could not enter my reply. The do-it button is whatever button (sign up, sign in) that actually does the action (submits the form), and doesn't just go to a page with things to fill out.
So yes, I cannot log in or sign up via this one computer, or possibly via the company network. I can experiment with this one by logging off, putting up the (VPN) company network, and then trying to log back in from this laptop. If that fails, it is the network, perhaps preventing me from submitting a form to what they consider only a semi-safe site. Not sure if there's anything you can do about that.
Reply to noAxioms Whether it's the computer or the local network, I wouldn't know, but my first thought is that it's a browser issue. Is it an old browser?
Either way there's probably nothing I can do about it.
Using chrome 51, or IE 11
How does one sign out? Just toss my cookies?
I wanted to experiment since I have the funny network up now.
It obviously lets me post, but not sign in or sign up.
Sign out is under "Other sites we like". Logical....
Anyway, the problem is the hostile network. I signed out and the attempt to sign in was greeted with the hate screen of downloading from an untrusted site.
So if the sign-in process can be done without downloading anything (if it's the cookie, I just don't see how that can be avoided), then the problem is entirely mine.
Right now I am out of the virtual private network, so I was able to sign in again. Mid-week, I have no access to out-of-network internet
No, more like the parental control block for my 'parents' whose network it is.
They're trying to prevent me from downloading malicious stuff.
This site is listed as untrustworthy, sort of like facebook.
I've added the ignore thing to the latest list of like-to-haves. It turns out I already asked them for it, back in November. I'll ask again, but I'll wait a while to gather some more requests.
See here: http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/30/feature-requests/p1
But you only see it if you go to "Mentions" in your profile menu, don't you? Or is it that you're not clicking on the notification and it's still telling you in the title bar that you've got mentions?
Anyway great work on the site...I was reluctant to migrate over at first because I was already accustom to the PF layout.
But PF has pretty much crapped out these days constantly one problem after another with little maintenance it seems.
I am glad I made the move and now that I am used to it I really appreciate all the work put into this site.
Again great work and thank you so much for doing this for all those involved of the dev and maintenance.
Reply to jamalrob
As far as I can tell it is working as intended I was just wondering if clearing the board was a feature and I simply could not find it.
I was basically asking the question if it was a feature.
Note that we use a hosted service called PlushForums, which is based on some kind of fork of Vanilla Forums, so I'm not actually a developer of the software. However, the developers do respond to feature requests.
The "Share" link doesn't work properly. It's just the URL in the browser, e.g. http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/9/missing-features-bugs-questions-about-how-to-do-stuff/p8 rather than a direct link to the actual comment, e.g. http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/18796#Post_18796
And if you use the latter then every comment's "Share" link on the page links to that exact comment.
Edit: Actually, it works if you click the link which then provides a modal box containing the correct link, but if you right click and "Copy link address" then it uses the browser URL. I'm guessing most (normal) people don't do the latter much.
This post isn't showing. Appears in my recent comments list and still shows me as the latest post in the discussion info. It'll probably appear when someone else posts, but for now it's invisible.
Reply to Michael That link takes me to one of Wayfarer's posts (with one of yours just above). I don't see any posts in your comments list that aren't in the discussion anyway. So, maybe it did appear later. Did you try multiple devices, browsers when looking for it?
Reply to Baden As I predicted it appeared after someone else posted. It seems to be that it believed there to be only 9 pages when in fact there should have been 10.
Reply to Michael I've noticed my posts sometimes appearing at the bottom of one page first and then later at the top of a new page that has suddenly appeared. Never disappearing though.
When @Harry Hindu quotes me in a post I don't get the usual notification. I seem to get notifications from everyone else. Is he broken? Am I?
Although, to be fair, I might not have noticed if others had quoted me without me being notified, given that I wouldn't be notified. Either way, notifications ain't working right.
This post isn't showing. Appears in my recent comments list and still shows me as the latest post in the discussion info. It'll probably appear when someone else posts, but for now it's invisible.
I've missed several notifications (and thus replies) too lately, particularly when there's been a couple of replies in a row. This happening to anyone else? Also, might as well use this opportunity to tell you that we've discovered if you edit into your post a tag to someone else after initially posting without one, it seems they won't be notified. Maybe it was that.
When Harry Hindu quotes me in a post I don't get the usual notification
Odd. That was the most recent example for me too. :chin:
javi2541997December 08, 2023 at 07:41#8596450 likes
I do not know if this is the correct place to share my struggle with cleaning up the memory of my computer. There appears to be a file called 'Garry's Mod,' which was a game from Steam. It takes up 12.5 GB, and it is a good idea to uninstall this game, archive, or whatever it is.
However, when I click on the uninstall button, the window says: 'This file cannot be found.' How can this happen? A file with 12.5 GB seems not to exist, but at the same time, it occupies space in the memory of my computer.
UPDATE: Don't worry, folks. ChatGPT already helped me find the file on my computer, and now it has been deleted forever.
Heard a music program about Chanukah (commemorating the alleged miracle of 1 day's oil burning for 8 days) in the newly sanctified temple in Jerusalem). Was it a miracle? On the one hand, God could have made one ounce of olive oil burn for 8 days--grossly violating the number of BTUs in the oil at the bottom of the bottle, but with God all things are possible. On the other hand, maybe God located some oil that Judah the Maccabee had overlooked in his inventory. God, after all, sees all, knows all, and maintains a detailed list of all. Like as not He knew about an unopened bottle of cooking oil that was under some loose planks. Large bottle -- good for at least 192 hours of continuous burn in the Menorah.
At the time, Jerusalem was ruled by the Seleucids, ethnic Syrians who were part of the Greek empire. The Seleucids tried to impose Greek values on the Jews and pressured them to stop worshipping God and following the tenets of their faith.
Many Jews went along with this plan and assimilated into Greek culture, but a feisty minority refused to comply. Led by Judah the Maccabee, these faithful Jews with only primitive weaponry managed to defeat the mightiest empire in the world. They drove the Greeks from the Holy Land, reclaimed the Temple in Jerusalem, and rededicated it to the service of God.
I suppose the Seleucids were bitter and resentful about losing a war with the Jews. Probably accused them of war crimes.
The program focused on the Ladino tradition -- Ladino is old Spanish still spoken by Jews from the Spanish diaspora.
In 14 hundred and 92
Columbus sailed the ocean blue
While Isabel and Ferdinand,
Total creeps those two,
issued an edict expelling the Jews)
Ladino preserves many words and grammatical usages that have been lost in modern Spanish. It also has a more conservative sound system—for example, f and g sounds still occur where modern Spanish has an h (not pronounced), as in Ladino fijo, fablar versus Spanish hijo, hablar, and Ladino agora versus Spanish ahora.
If you see a candelabra in a window, that's what it's about.
On the one hand, zero percent of this information was supplied by ChatGPT. On the other hand, I didn't make t up either. The part about God's mysterious ways is straight from the Horse's mouth.
for example, f and g sounds still occur where modern Spanish has an h (not pronounced), as in Ladino fijo, fablar versus Spanish hijo, hablar, and Ladino agora versus Spanish ahora
The English subtitles are available in this video. Please watch it. I think you would like it.
I've been getting some "502 Bad Gateway" errors lately.
Also a "System error. Please contact us for assistance." today.
Are the forums under heavy load?
The site was down for a while some time in the last 5 hours due to a lack of disk space. I'll have to solve this by deleting lots of file uploads and blocking or restricting further uploads.
Reply to Jamal I figured it was a capacity problem. I wonder if there's a way of deleting draft comments by age. I know it saves all mine and they go back years. Every so often I go and delete a few but it's like pulling weeds.
I go to my post <here>.
I left-click on Lionino's name.
I am taken to the first post of the current thread.
I go to my post <here>.
I right-click on Lionino's name and then select, "Open link in new tab."
I am taken to Lionino's post, which is located in a different thread.
Maybe it has something to do with the hexadecimal symbol in the post reference number?
javi2541997October 15, 2024 at 18:26#9399440 likes
I can't search in the specific thread "A -> not-A"
In "advanced Search" entering "A -> not-A" in the discussion title does not proved that option in the pop-up. Search results include "A -> not-A", so it's in the searched DB.
I'm not expecting an answer. Just pointing out a curiosity.
Reply to Banno surely it must have something to do with the non-alphabetic characters in the thread title. Not that I know, but it seems obvious. Probably something to do with indexing.
surely it must have something to do with the non-alphabetic characters in the thread title.
That's it. A surprisingly large number of threads have search problems because of this. I actually removed the characters from my Anselm thread title because it was causing such problems.
So presumably if one deletes a conversation, it is deleted for oneself, and not for the other participants?
Presumably, yes. But there is another important fact, and he wasn't the one who started the private message. Probably, if the member who started and invited the rest deletes it, it affects all. Otherwise, the thread of the private message remains. Well, this is a conjecture. I don't really know, but it is interesting to talk about the tips of TPF.
Not sure why - "@I Like Sushi" and "@T Clark" do not come up,
I Like Sushi comes up easily. Try to search him using only the words 'Like' or 'Sushi' and his name pops up.
My theory that @T Clark doesn't come up is that many members whose names include 'Clark'. If I type 'Clark', they appear before Clarky since the search feature only reveals results that begin with 'C' or 'Clark', whereas our friend's user name begins with T.
On the other hand, it is interesting to know that @J is unsearchable. I didn't know that.
No one has ever mentioned it to me. I don't mind changing my monicker if it improves functionality.
Leontiskos:I was worried that your single-letter name would inhibit me from searching for your posts, given that the search engine here is a lil' wonky. But it seems to work, so I'm happy about that.
You can search J's posts just like anyone else's. But you cannot search for his name via textual string, either on the server or through ctrl-f.* So he is not unsearchable, but he is also not as searchable as other members.
* I mean, you can, but it will return everything with a 'j' in it.
Also, some members do not come up in the search box.
Not sure why - "@I Like Sushi" and "@T Clark" do not come up, but "@Count Timothy" does.
Presumably every member with a single character followed by a space does not "come up" in the search box. You can still search for them by typing their name correctly.
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Not a great fan myself, but I would say definitely yes. And there are no doubt some other missing categories because I was just testing when I set it up.
I also think you should immediately create an unmoderated section just so people will know that there is a jail, since some heathens here obviously have no fear of hell.
Or just ban them from the site. Although, perhaps it'd be good to have a forum to move any pseudophilosophy and/or threads of an insufficient quality, if there isn't one yet. It can at least provide some entertainment.
Sorry for the confusion.
And besides, "free speech" should and does have limits.
I signed up to the Terms of Service without reading them as usual, but I just had a quick look and I think the forum rules there don't go much beyond "no negative legal or physical consequences".
Are there other forum rules I should know about?
Really? Sounds like a discussion in the making.
It actually appears when you hover over someone's post, not just on that specific space. And you quote by selecting the text at which point a quote button will appear near the selected text.
Cool...
I don't know jamalrob well enough to predict what he might do.
You better not have used the same password for this site as you do for your e-mail or you're doomed...
Perhaps if a majority of members make a poor decision, then a majority of elites can overrule them.
And if a majority of elites make a poor decision...? Tuff shit? Lol.
Anyway...
... it's a 'soft target' and a location to rant and rave.
I'd rather think it is more a sub-section of Social Sciences, but I don't think many would agree.
Perhaps we could make it more sexy and exciting by calling it 'Tent Revival' or 'Soapbox Sophistry' la Elmer Gantry? (L)
It has it's place... I suppose.
The bigger question I would have is do we have an option for internal replies?
This is very useful, especially in a Philosophy of Religion section.
Meow!
GREG
They add nothing but confusion!
If not, I hope it stays that way.
I'll trade internal replies to get KwalishKid back in a heart beat!
Meow!
GREG
I will write a Constitution for you guys. I'm abreast on the natural rights each of us were endowed by my Creator (not yours, you're godless). I can put something together. One thing I might change is giving Senators 8 year terms instead of 6 and somewhat strengthening the right to bear arms.
One real question to everyone, is there a way to get a listing of only the threads you've participated in like existed on that other site I used to frequent? I used to use the "My Threads" button, but I can't find one here. I tried to cut and paste theirs over here, but it doesn't work that way.
I don't think so, but you can bookmark discussions to list them under your bookmarks. Also kind of maybe relevant is that you get notifications when people quote you or reply to you. It would be nice though, I agree. I'll see what Mr PlushForums says about it.
... we all sort of have that.
All we have to do is 'click' your name to direct to your profile and then 'click' comments in your profile.
Bang!
There is on my screen is a 'wall of wisdom' coming from Miss Georgia herself. :D
Meow!
GREG
A "quote" button appears. Nice.
where do you find the edit button to correct mistakes in your posts?
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This is minor. I don't even know if this can be fixed but just thought I would post a comment on it.
Question 1: What's the mention?
Question 2: The tweeting bird??? (Not familiar with Twitter)
Question 3: How much stuff can be in the used archive until it's full?
If there's something that I was really dissappointed in the old PF was that old threads were not anymore possible to open. Yeah I get it, Paul ran out of space. Before it really was great that I could search literally everything and open up something from years ago. Especially this was great in Politics: to look at what people said when something happened. The obtainable archive got extremely small, actually.
1. So I'll try mentioning @Hanover and see what happens. I guess it links to the profile, and I think he gets a notification he's been mentioned too.
2. You can paste in a tweet's permalink, and it embeds the tweet within your post like this:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/656805134391971840[/tweet]
3. What archive? Do you mean uploaded files? Posts are unlimited and on the current plan we've got 20GB storage space for files in total.
I didn't get a notification when the doughhead mentioned me? What up wit dat?
Posts aren't numbered from what I can see, but just above, it's bolded, so maybe that's why.
All kinds of hidden bells and whistles it seems. I'm figuring the place out, took me a couple minutes to figure out how to reply to a message I got.
What else? I'll edit this post to add more.
Just how many pages of "ordinary" PF debate threads (with images etc) can 20GB hold? A Decade of intense philosophical discourse? If someone opens a thread "Your best pictures of your cat or piano" the cat-lovers and the piano players of PF might use up gigabytes of storage space very quickly. Or the question put in another way: If the "Old PF" was running out of memory and had to limit the threads that could be opened, how much storage space Paul had roughly? Just to get a comparison, if you know.
Now I guess that the provider can give additional memory space, but that highers the costs.
Why I ask actually is that if you have a good discussion, typically people will give great links to articles or sites that can be useful later. And as many things are debated over and over again, referring to old threads is useful, which means finding them easily is a very good thing. Now after a year one (at least me) has trouble to remember just where the interesting thread was. So the "Old PF" (why don't we call it OPF), the OPF-search ability (check your posts or someone else's and look for the term like "heteroscedasticity") gave you what you were looking for in no time.
I personally don't think anything is wrong with advertisement generating some income for this site. I think a skyscraper add on the left or right would work fine without interfering with the user experience.
I think numbering posts would be nice. Sometimes the conversation gets convoluted, and being able to reference a post verbally helps in untangling the confusions. [though the link-back feature is something I had mentioned at PF as helpful, so it's cool to see that here]
Yes. Hell, get TGW over here too.
Quoting Benkei
No way. That's just what we're trying to get away from here. The donations route should be fine. At $49 a month, we only need to pay a couple of bucks each per month to cover the fees. By the time we need to expand and pay more, we'll have more members to pay it.
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Oh, and hi btw.
You're an admin over there. Why don't you just unban everyone and let the inmates run free?
Quoting Baden
I didn't leave because of the fear of advertisements. I left because the new owner had some issues he wouldn't discuss and I was getting less than stellar customer service over there from the absentee owner. I think if Paul would have brought up ads to save the site, we'd have all gotten aboard. It was a reality we needed to deal with.
Having said that, since it seems some really hate ads, what I think we need is a suggested donation amount based upon what we need to continue operating without putting too much stress on any one person (i.e. Jamalrob). Financial situations change, and we don't want to repeat what just happened by just assuming someone is picking up the tab. We also don't want to put anyone in the position of having to beg, borrow, or steal when things get tough, so let's come up with a way to assure financial security. If that means ads for everyone, ads for nonmembers only, membership fees, suggested donations, or whatever will work, I'm in favor of it. But the "it'll work itself out" idea works until it doesn't.
It may only happen once in a blue moon, but I fully agree with that sentiment.
Ad removal for membership seems like a good first attempt.
I'm very open to suggestions like this. I even thought about banning Porat. Just don't tell un.
Quoting Hanover
Agreed. This is what we should have been talking about with Paul when he was in trouble. Subscription seems the best bet for me. A dollar or two each a month, which won't break any of us, and we can keep this place ad free and ticking over fine.
Speaking of which, would it be a problem to ban posters who have paid a fee? Would it be like incarcerating people even though they paid their taxes? Or more like breach of contract?
Private schools can expel students, too. And they don't get a refund of previous years' tuition.
Perhaps what facilities are unavailable in the format could be substituted for in a thread, ideally only postable to by staff, - moderating events/decisions. I'd also like to see posting guidelines and moderating guidelines. At the moment, 'everyone knows' that the principles are broadly those of pf, but there will be newbies, and it would be good to get these things established before they are needed.
$\forall$
Just thinking that those interested in logic would like to have that.
When going to the 'All Discussions' page, some of the topics are 'highlighted' (normal looking) and other are 'lowlighted' (somewhat dim in appearance).
Is there any reason for that?
Thanks!
Meow!
GREG
... could it be if the OP is online?
Pre-moderation of all posts is an option too, but we'll never go down that route.
Another thing I enjoy is imagining debates between famous philosophers. Two posters each become a philosopher. . Pedestrian?
Quoting Mongrel
Good idea. Go ahead and start a thread in the Article submissions category if you want to.
Is there any way to make posting available only after emailed confirmation login? If so the emails could probable be delayed for a while so that they have a chance to just read. I have seen other sites do this.
One thing that PF had that I think was quite effective was the automatic text speak/spelling detection. When I first signed up I bashed out a reply to someone only to be automatically informed that I should fix up my post. At the time I thought you were a bunch of snobs who I couldn't be bothered with and left. I'm sure plenty of other newbies have had similar experiences.
It's great because it gives a poster information about the quality required without actually making it more difficult to get going. I doubt that's possible here but would be good to at least provide newbies with a condensed version of the posting guidelines when they sign up.
I would be really hesitant to make it harder for people to sign up or have a waiting period. Currently it will be difficult to get more members as we are not on google and even if we don't intend to be, we are in competition with the other forums.
For sure it's reasonable if we get bigger but for now I reckon we shouldn't put barriers in front of people joining.
Agreed.
Then, don't worry about it. The post hasn't done well, though.
Currently I can change other colours but not the main body background or side menu background.
\sum_{n=1}^{\inf} \frac{1}{n^2} = \frac{\pi^2}{6}
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I've asked support for MathJax, and they want to know if I'll sponsor the required development.
Edit: Regardless, thanks for asking though. Should've checked the thread before coming here!
I have a flock of kids over here that could take a lesson or two if you want to come forward and earn a buck! :D
There are a bunch of other sites like that. You can use it or just google 'upload images'. You upload images to the site and it will create a link so you can post them to the forum.
I just have:
Edit: Seems like this is only the case in Feedback. Works fine in other categories.
Not that we have any rules right now. But you get the idea. :)
Thank you for the Uber fast response! 8-)
We had a poll and it looked like people didn't like likes very much so I turned likes off. Ideally I'd like likes for posts but not accruing to members, but that's not an option (not yet anyway).
Is it possible to create a room for sponsors of sorts? I utilized the "Green Room" quite a bit and it just seemed like a place that people knew what to expect and it was rarely Philosophy but rather a community table of something as simple as chit chat or deep thoughts about what in a member's personal life might be playing out.
Yes, I suggest this for personal reasons but I do so miss that back booth at the pub~ Almost as much as I miss my hometown of Chicago and the family it holds. Surprising to read what I just wrote, but it is a true feeling for me. It tells me just how much you all mean to me and that, THAT, I cherish~
(L)
Several different browsers all acted the same.
This means I can only view the site as a guest for three days in the middle of most weeks. I cannot reply to posts directed at me.
As guest, I cannot see the age of the posts. Is that deliberate?
So yes, I cannot log in or sign up via this one computer, or possibly via the company network. I can experiment with this one by logging off, putting up the (VPN) company network, and then trying to log back in from this laptop. If that fails, it is the network, perhaps preventing me from submitting a form to what they consider only a semi-safe site. Not sure if there's anything you can do about that.
Either way there's probably nothing I can do about it.
How does one sign out? Just toss my cookies?
I wanted to experiment since I have the funny network up now.
It obviously lets me post, but not sign in or sign up.
You wouldn't be able to post if you weren't signed in, so I'm still confused about what your problem is.
To sign out you click on "Sign out". It's down below the left hand category menu.
Anyway, the problem is the hostile network. I signed out and the attempt to sign in was greeted with the hate screen of downloading from an untrusted site.
So if the sign-in process can be done without downloading anything (if it's the cookie, I just don't see how that can be avoided), then the problem is entirely mine.
Right now I am out of the virtual private network, so I was able to sign in again. Mid-week, I have no access to out-of-network internet
They're trying to prevent me from downloading malicious stuff.
This site is listed as untrustworthy, sort of like facebook.
See here: http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/30/feature-requests/p1
IDK...I guess it just seems...cluttery to me?
But PF has pretty much crapped out these days constantly one problem after another with little maintenance it seems.
I am glad I made the move and now that I am used to it I really appreciate all the work put into this site.
Again great work and thank you so much for doing this for all those involved of the dev and maintenance.
As far as I can tell it is working as intended I was just wondering if clearing the board was a feature and I simply could not find it.
I was basically asking the question if it was a feature.
Note that we use a hosted service called PlushForums, which is based on some kind of fork of Vanilla Forums, so I'm not actually a developer of the software. However, the developers do respond to feature requests.
Oh cool thanks.
I thought this was put together from scratch so I was really impressed.
Well thanks everyone that had the foresight to start a new place for the community to migrate to then.
X-)
On behalf of the original TPF crew: you're welcome. @Hanover was our guiding light, of course. Now there's a true visionary.
Excuse me while I take shelter to avoid the imminent tsunami of Hanoverian ego.
And if you use the latter then every comment's "Share" link on the page links to that exact comment.
Edit: Actually, it works if you click the link which then provides a modal box containing the correct link, but if you right click and "Copy link address" then it uses the browser URL. I'm guessing most (normal) people don't do the latter much.
Although, to be fair, I might not have noticed if others had quoted me without me being notified, given that I wouldn't be notified. Either way, notifications ain't working right.
Quoting Michael
Odd. That was the most recent example for me too. :chin:
However, when I click on the uninstall button, the window says: 'This file cannot be found.' How can this happen? A file with 12.5 GB seems not to exist, but at the same time, it occupies space in the memory of my computer.
UPDATE: Don't worry, folks. ChatGPT already helped me find the file on my computer, and now it has been deleted forever.
Heard a music program about Chanukah (commemorating the alleged miracle of 1 day's oil burning for 8 days) in the newly sanctified temple in Jerusalem). Was it a miracle? On the one hand, God could have made one ounce of olive oil burn for 8 days--grossly violating the number of BTUs in the oil at the bottom of the bottle, but with God all things are possible. On the other hand, maybe God located some oil that Judah the Maccabee had overlooked in his inventory. God, after all, sees all, knows all, and maintains a detailed list of all. Like as not He knew about an unopened bottle of cooking oil that was under some loose planks. Large bottle -- good for at least 192 hours of continuous burn in the Menorah.
I suppose the Seleucids were bitter and resentful about losing a war with the Jews. Probably accused them of war crimes.
The program focused on the Ladino tradition -- Ladino is old Spanish still spoken by Jews from the Spanish diaspora.
In 14 hundred and 92
Columbus sailed the ocean blue
While Isabel and Ferdinand,
Total creeps those two,
issued an edict expelling the Jews)
If you see a candelabra in a window, that's what it's about.
On the one hand, zero percent of this information was supplied by ChatGPT. On the other hand, I didn't make t up either. The part about God's mysterious ways is straight from the Horse's mouth.
@Hanover -- you got your Menorah going yet?
The English subtitles are available in this video. Please watch it. I think you would like it.
All I can say is, wish you a good night, then!
Also a "System error. Please contact us for assistance." today.
Are the forums under heavy load?
The site was down for a while some time in the last 5 hours due to a lack of disk space. I'll have to solve this by deleting lots of file uploads and blocking or restricting further uploads.
Thanks. To keep the site running smoothly over the next while I've just deleted some of the bigger old ones.
Quoting Jamal
Yeah, thanks for your effort, Jamal. We owe you one!
Without some sort of data expiry, the space usage will keep growing
I go to my post <here>.
I left-click on Lionino's name.
I am taken to the first post of the current thread.
I go to my post <here>.
I right-click on Lionino's name and then select, "Open link in new tab."
I am taken to Lionino's post, which is located in a different thread.
Maybe it has something to do with the hexadecimal symbol in the post reference number?
Or maybe it is an Easter egg that you just discovered. :cool:
In "advanced Search" entering "A -> not-A" in the discussion title does not proved that option in the pop-up. Search results include "A -> not-A", so it's in the searched DB.
I'm not expecting an answer. Just pointing out a curiosity.
I would expect it is the Coriolis force. The program was probably written in the northern hemisphere.
If the search function started refusing to process low quality philosophy, most of us here on the forum would be in trouble. Not you and me of course.
But there would be a notable improvement in the quality of search results.
Does this happen to someone else too?
:cry:
That's it. A surprisingly large number of threads have search problems because of this. I actually removed the characters from my Anselm thread title because it was causing such problems.
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So presumably if one deletes a conversation, it is deleted for oneself, and not for the other participants?
Not sure why - "@I Like Sushi" and "@T Clark" do not come up, but "@Count Timothy" does.
There seems to be no problem with single-word names. "J" is unsearchable.
Presumably, yes. But there is another important fact, and he wasn't the one who started the private message. Probably, if the member who started and invited the rest deletes it, it affects all. Otherwise, the thread of the private message remains. Well, this is a conjecture. I don't really know, but it is interesting to talk about the tips of TPF.
Quoting Banno
I Like Sushi comes up easily. Try to search him using only the words 'Like' or 'Sushi' and his name pops up.
My theory that @T Clark doesn't come up is that many members whose names include 'Clark'. If I type 'Clark', they appear before Clarky since the search feature only reveals results that begin with 'C' or 'Clark', whereas our friend's user name begins with T.
On the other hand, it is interesting to know that @J is unsearchable. I didn't know that.
Our mystery man.
yep, "Sushi" works. thanks.
I could do several riffs on that, but I'll spare everyone!
Seriously, is that a problem? No one has ever mentioned it to me. I don't mind changing my monicker if it improves functionality.
10/7/2023 via PM :wink:
You can search J's posts just like anyone else's. But you cannot search for his name via textual string, either on the server or through ctrl-f.* So he is not unsearchable, but he is also not as searchable as other members.
* I mean, you can, but it will return everything with a 'j' in it.
Presumably every member with a single character followed by a space does not "come up" in the search box. You can still search for them by typing their name correctly.