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The Shoutbox

Jamal October 22, 2015 at 16:27 126825 views 61561 comments
This could function as a shoutbox I reckon.

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Baden March 15, 2024 at 15:27 #888283
Quoting Sir2u
Did you get that line from some obscure episode of Monty Python or is it original?


I came up with it in consultation with my hamster, Wolfgang. He has a devilish wit.

Quoting Sir2u
What do the words of a donkey have to do with the positioning of one's willy?


A riddle, eh? You have outdone yourself, Yorick!
Baden March 15, 2024 at 15:36 #888284
AmadeusD March 15, 2024 at 19:54 #888315
Reply to Sir2u Ah, nice. Had an ex from Honduras. It certainly seemed lovely, so i was surprised...and then in turn, unsurpirsed, so hear this was the country lol
BC March 15, 2024 at 20:12 #888317
@AmadeusD There is a great deal to be said in favor of appreciating irony.
jorndoe March 15, 2024 at 21:19 #888334
Millions of people are trying to make it to North America.

Why Chinese migrants to the US risk deadly journey via the jungles of South America
[sup]— Shawn Yuan · South China Morning Post · Aug 20, 2023[/sup]
The Persistence of the Venezuelan Migrant and Refugee Crisis
[sup]— Betilde Muñoz-Pogossian, Alexandra Winkler · Center for Strategic and International Studies · Nov 27, 2023[/sup]

Reports will have it that there are a good lot of children among them. Some of them have lost adult peers during their journey. Some vanish in a jungle somewhere. Outside of a comprehensive international effort, I'm not really seeing any good way to improve this stuff. A change in conditions where they come from might be the way to go?

Deleted user March 15, 2024 at 21:29 #888337
Conditions in China are forcing many middle-class Chinese to beat a treacherous path from Ecuador to Mexico

Many weird things about this.
Hanover March 15, 2024 at 23:24 #888356
Reply to Deleted user At work today, a guy had a ladder in the hall and I had to go another way.

So i can relate.
Deleted user March 15, 2024 at 23:50 #888361
Reply to Hanover Just found out about this new singer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
hes great.
Metaphysician Undercover March 16, 2024 at 00:08 #888364
Quoting jorndoe
Millions of people are trying to make it to North America.


As far as I know there are no roads connecting Columbia and Panama. So anyone traveling through there would be on foot, and have one hell of a journey to make.
Sir2u March 16, 2024 at 18:20 #888472
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
As far as I know there are no roads connecting Columbia and Panama. So anyone traveling through there would be on foot, and have one hell of a journey to make.


I think that there are trails cutting through the area. Hell there must be an reasonably easy way to get from Columbia to Panama judging from the number of people from down there passing though here. There are people from Venezuela, Ecuador, China and gods know where else traveling in groups going though here everyday.
I suppose they could be crossing by boats on the north coast, but with the amount of surveillance around there I think we would have heard about it.


Edit: Check this in Google maps, but use the satellite view.
8.662527789601402, -77.36878835650803
Deleted user March 16, 2024 at 18:53 #888482
It seems like there is a trail, but it seems touristic. The options for transport are ferries crossing the gulfs apparently https://www.rome2rio.com/map/Panama-Country/Colombia
Deleted user March 17, 2024 at 01:57 #888592
Quoting Baden
we have already had the personal faults of Descartes and Heidegger (among others probably) dissected on the site.


Where?
Baden March 17, 2024 at 05:21 #888631
Reply to Deleted user

E.g. https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/13942/descartes-and-animal-cruelty/p1
Baden March 17, 2024 at 09:51 #888656
My other Hamster is called Basma and is Syrian. Wolfgang, who is Siberian and somewhat of a Siberian supremacist, does not like her at all and constantly berates her. I put it down to insecurity, as Siberian, aka Russian Dwarf hamsters, are aptly much tinier than their Syrian counterparts. Every time I suggest this to Wolfgang though he bites me and runs away. I want to teach Wolfgang to be less insecure and appreciate the diversity of hamster world but I am running out of protective gloves. Any suggestions?
Jamal March 17, 2024 at 10:11 #888668
Quoting Baden
I want to teach Wolfgang to be less insecure and appreciate the diversity of hamster world but I am running out of protective gloves.


That’s like being vegan and expecting your cat to be vegan too.
Baden March 17, 2024 at 11:13 #888671
Reply to Jamal

I was wondering why they all died. But still, just run with me on this...
Metaphysician Undercover March 17, 2024 at 11:49 #888677
Quoting Baden
But still, just run with me on this..


I'm on the tread mill, but can we switch to gerbils instead? I think you'll find that they run a little faster. Please, allow all the running to be absolutely freely willed by the creature, and do not hook the wheel to an energy harnessing device or you'll enter the category of cruelty.
Deleted user March 17, 2024 at 14:41 #888696
Reply to Baden Interesting. I posted a reply to that thread. I would be interested in reading about the Heidegger one too.
Baden March 17, 2024 at 14:47 #888698
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover

I may be opening myself up to mockery here, the bane of the honest man. But if you are familiar with the phenomenon of horse whisperers, I am that to hamsters. I do not claim to be able to converse with them directly: I am well aware of the exclusivity of human language and the cognitive limits of our rodent cousins. It is more like--well I want to say a non-linguistic telepathy, though even that sounds inappropriately "woo" and, as you are well aware, I am a man of science and reason.

Let us just say I can "read" in a certain sense their signals, understand their moods and reflect back unto them gestural, guttural, and otherwise non-linguistic signs that appear to function communicatively such that I have a certain control over their behaviour that goes beyond mere coincidence. How many people do you know that can get a hamster to respond to its name? Or to exercise or stop exercising on command?

Anyhow, I do not wish to boast. In fact, the limits of my powers have become apparent with my inability to inculcate Wolfgang with cross-cultural etiquette such that he may peacefully co-exist with Basma. In fact, I may have inadvertently encouraged his irrational sense of nationalistic superiority through over-indulgent positive feedback intended only to reward successful communication. For example, when he obeyed a command, I would clap and cheer in Russian, "Yes, Wolfgang! You are the best! Soon you will be breaking wild horses and wrestling bears!" It may have all gone to his little head.
Baden March 17, 2024 at 14:48 #888699
Reply to Deleted user

Try searching for Heidegger + Nazi, you'll more than likely get a few to choose from.
Baden March 17, 2024 at 14:50 #888700
Of course, I didn't really kill my cats with veganism. That would be ridiculous.
Deleted user March 17, 2024 at 14:53 #888701
Reply to Baden Aaaah, Heidegger and Nazism, I should have thought of that. Well, my concern sein not da about that topic.

Quoting Baden
Of course, I didn't really kill my cats with veganism. That would be ridiculous.


At least you didn't vivisect them.
Baden March 17, 2024 at 14:57 #888703
Quoting Deleted user
Well, my concern sein not da about that topic.


Oh, what else... ?

Quoting Deleted user
At least you didn't vivisect them.


Certainly not. I did stuff Wanda, who was a particularly beautiful Siamese, and now resides on my mantle. But that's hardly unusual.
Hanover March 17, 2024 at 15:32 #888711
Reply to Baden My son is currently visiting your ancestral homeland in search of a St. Paddy's Day intoxication that apparently can't be found here. When he arrives at your shores, do see to it he is made to feel at home. I would do the same for your family members if they arrived here in God's country, even if your family is limited to the rats you tend to.
Baden March 17, 2024 at 15:42 #888713
Reply to Hanover

I am currently in Thailand, bruv. But if he passes through the Kingdom of Kerry, let me know and I'll steer him right. :strong:
Hanover March 17, 2024 at 15:43 #888714
Ladies, do contain yourselves but today I rock beige on beige.

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Metaphysician Undercover March 17, 2024 at 21:34 #888758
Quoting Baden
understand their moods


I liked this part. I can't understand the moods of other human beings, or even mine for that matter. So it made me feel so good to see that at least someone has a full grasp of the complete range of animalistic feelings, that I laughed, almost out loud. The silent laugh, ever catch a hamster laughing at you?
BC March 17, 2024 at 23:01 #888790
Quoting Hanover
St. Paddy's Day intoxication


An Irish friend (ironically named Scott) complained that St. Patrick's Day was just another excuse for the Irish to get drunk.
Metaphysician Undercover March 18, 2024 at 01:14 #888810
Reply to BC
And, they say that on St. Patrick's Day everyone is Irish, so...
javi2541997 March 18, 2024 at 05:53 #888865
It was St. Patrick's Day yesterday and I didn't say anything. Neither did I drink Guinness (but I ate potatoes, which is typical Irish too) nor did I read Seamus Heaney's poems with @Baden, etc. I am a disgrace.
Hanover March 18, 2024 at 05:59 #888867
Reply to javi2541997 I ordered the corned beef at a restaurant, but the carrots and cabbage were crunchy, an impossibility if all ingredients are slow cooked together, which is the only way I've ever made it. It felt like some microwaved version. A further disgrace on that must holy of days.
Hanover March 18, 2024 at 06:01 #888868
Thankfully Purim is just around the corner.
Jamal March 18, 2024 at 06:06 #888869
Nobody says anything about Burns Night or St Andrew’s Day, even though there are more active Scotspeople than Irishpeople on TPF. I guess we don’t have the mass appeal that makes the Irish attractive to an international audience.
Hanover March 18, 2024 at 06:14 #888870
Corned beef is a common Jewish food from Eastern Europe, found at all Jewish delis. I learned a second ago that it was the Jews who made it a St. Patrick's Day food.

https://www.jewishnola.com/oy-such-a-st-patricks-day

The Torah and corned beef. Our gifts to the world. You're welcome.
Hanover March 18, 2024 at 06:17 #888871
Quoting Jamal
Nobody says anything about Burns Night or St Andrew’s Day, even though there are more active Scotspeople than Irishpeople on TPF. I guess we don’t have the mass appeal that makes the Irish attractive to an international audience.


When you get green beer, call me.
javi2541997 March 18, 2024 at 06:37 #888876
Quoting Hanover
It felt like some microwaved version. A further disgrace on that must holy of days.


Why do people no longer care about this holy and pure tradition? We live in the era of rebellion and sinners! :cry:
Jamal March 18, 2024 at 07:09 #888879
I was not aware of any corned beef connection to St Patrick’s Day.

The last time I joined in the celebrations was in 1999 or 2000, and I was in Liverpool, the most Irish of English cities. I drank too much and got separated from my companion, a work colleague of Irish heritage who was from the city. After hanging around with a variety of strangers I wandered around in a daze until I stumbled upon Lime Street station and got the train back home to Wigan.

Oddly, I think this all took place in the span of three hours or less, because there was still daylight on the way home, and we’d started mid-afternoon, and the sun sets about 18:20 in Liverpool on March 17th. I suspect someone put something in my beer because I felt very wrong, and that put me off St Patrick’s Day for life.
javi2541997 March 18, 2024 at 08:17 #888882
Quoting Jamal
Oddly, I think this all took place in the span of three hours or less, because there was still daylight on the way home, and we’d started mid-afternoon, and the sun sets about 18:20 in Liverpool on March 17th.


Yes, it is amazing how the time goes weirdly fast when someone's on alcohol. The last time I was in St. Patrick celebration was in 2017 in an Irish pub in Madrid. Nothing special and we don't have the special vibe as others cities like Dublin, Liverpool, Boston, etc do. But, the fact the owners gave us Leprechaun-like hats for drinking Guinness was priceless. I drank a lot as well, and yes, everything lasted in a span of three hours at much. I was in the pub at 22:00, and I remember ending up in my bed like at 01:00.


Quoting Jamal
...and that put me off St Patrick’s Day for life.


No! :cry:
And what happened to your companion?
Did he get lost in the endless St. Patrick's parade in Liverpool?
Jamal March 18, 2024 at 08:21 #888885
Quoting javi2541997
And what happened to your companion?


I never saw him or heard from him again, as I’d left the job already and then I moved to Edinburgh and we didn’t keep in contact.
Metaphysician Undercover March 18, 2024 at 10:44 #888895
Quoting Jamal
I suspect someone put something in my beer because I felt very wrong


That something is better known as alcohol, and the reason for feeling "very wrong" is the irrational ratio between time and quantity consumed.
Baden March 18, 2024 at 11:10 #888899
Quoting Jamal
Nobody says anything about Burns Night


I celebrate it religiously. :pray:

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Baden March 18, 2024 at 11:14 #888900
Quoting Hanover
I learned a second ago that it was the Jews who made it a St. Patrick's Day food.


Love me a bit of Jewrish food on Rabbi Patrick's day. :up:
javi2541997 March 18, 2024 at 11:39 #888901
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
and the reason for feeling "very wrong" is the irrational ratio between time and quantity consumed.


I know some folks who start to get more rational when the ratio of alcohol increases.
Hanover March 18, 2024 at 15:51 #888960
Curious.

An Irishman came by yesterday, distraught, rambling on about a man he must find, but who's been missing since St. Patrick's Day 1999, around 18:20. He spoke like a Beatle, with an Irish twist. I asked where he was from you little fool, but he said no, it was from Liverpool.

That rhyming exchange wasn't the strangest part though.

He said he had searched the world over for the missing man, thinking he found him in Madrid in 2017 at 22:00. This man was too young though, and he spoke a broken English with a priceless leprechaun hat. The man he sought was as he best recollected 10 feet tall, legs of oak trees, a man purse slung round his neck that bopped to "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" as his grapefruit sized Adam's apple upped and downed the lyrics.

That wasn't the strangest part though.

He spoke to me in Yiddish, harder even to understand from his eating his corned beef on rye with spicy mustard and a particularly sour pickle. He went on about pomegranate wine and the subtleies of a foreign land where he and the missing man once were. I lost train of thought and he slipped away, never to be seen again.

That was the strangest part.
Sir2u March 18, 2024 at 18:34 #889000
Quoting Hanover
Ladies, do contain yourselves but today I rock beige on beige.


Not wanting to seem petty or anything like that, but unless the camera is making them look darker than they really are, THEY ARE BROWN. :cool:
javi2541997 March 18, 2024 at 19:21 #889010
Quoting Hanover
This man was too young though, and he spoke a broken English with a priceless leprechaun hat.


I always try to write and speak English correctly :cry: , but Hanover the teacher scolds me anyway.
Hanover March 18, 2024 at 20:28 #889031
Quoting Sir2u
Not wanting to seem petty or anything like that, but unless the camera is making them look darker than they really are, THEY ARE BROWN. :cool:


My wife cleaned that bathroom floor with some sort of acid cleaner that took off the finish. She said she didn't mind the destruction, and so neither did I. My view is that nothing matters unless someone else says it does and then it matters to them and by default me. But me, I'm superchill 24/7/364, but not 365. I have one day of spinning, swirling anxiety, where I throw myself about on the floor and cry for freedom.

Superchill every other day though.
Hanover March 18, 2024 at 20:30 #889032
Reply to javi2541997 I drink from your tears like champagne, celebrating your sadness.
Sir2u March 18, 2024 at 22:32 #889074
Quoting Hanover
My wife cleaned that bathroom floor with some sort of acid cleaner that took off the finish. She said she didn't mind the destruction, and so neither did I.


But that still does not alter the fact that your pants, shoes and the marks on the floor are BROWN.

Quoting Hanover
My view is that nothing matters unless someone else says it does and then it matters to them and by default me. But me, I'm superchill 24/7/364, but not 365. I have one day of spinning, swirling anxiety, where I throw myself about on the floor and cry for freedom.

Superchill every other day though.


Blood y hell, make up you mind. Or do we have to ask for your agenda to figure out when not to make fun of you. :lol:
Baden March 19, 2024 at 09:05 #889186
Ok, I am freaking out right now. Wolfgang has started eating his own shit and he flat out refuses to tell me why.

This ties in with some other worrying developments in Hamster world. I have reason to believe *deep breath* Wolfgang's antipathy towards Basma may have all along been feigned. The reasons remain obscure but I have my suspicions. More later.... I am just... I really cannot cope right now. :sad:
Baden March 19, 2024 at 10:23 #889191
...

Midnight, March 19th, Year of Our Lord, 2024. My Bedroom.

I really need to start keeping a record of this so I can even believe it myself. Not five minutes ago i awake from a disturbing dream--there's this horrible noise like someone scraping their fingers on a blackboard, only really high pitched,--like it's a really small person doing it--and getting more and more high pitched and I wake up and, here's the fucking thing, I still hear the noise. Coming from the corner of the room. Wolfgang's corner. I drag myself out of bed and over there. Soon as I get there, noise stops.

This point I begin to doubt my sanity. Wolfgang looks fast asleep. Basma in the cage next door, ditto. Then I see it. Fucking... OK just bear with me... I am like looking at this right now with my own eyes, sober and awake and not dreaming, cogito ergo fucking sum, and there's a cut, a jagged gap through one of the bars on Wolfgang's cage and I'm staring at it, reaching out to touch it to make sure it's real and out of the corner of my eye I see this glint, a glint and gone, and I could swear Wolfgang opened an eye, just one, scoped me out and then... Give me a moment... So, I am not paranoid. You want pictures? I am touching this right now, it's real--here's one hand and here's the bar! That bar has been sawed or chewed through. And what kind of hamster has metal fucking jaws?

Well?

javi2541997 March 19, 2024 at 11:34 #889198
Quoting Baden
Well?


Wolfang is dominating you both psychologically and emotionally. Hamsters can be very astute. You didn't lose your sanity, Baden. And that wasn't just a dream. It is time to be tough and face Wolfang's interpersonal manipulation. If I were you, I would have a deep conversation with Wolfang, telling him he is nobody to enter into your dreams and mind.
Hanover March 19, 2024 at 12:26 #889217
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Is this Basma and Wolfgang? They've done this before. Just be careful.
Metaphysician Undercover March 19, 2024 at 12:41 #889220
Quoting Jamal
I never saw him or heard from him again...


Quoting Hanover
An Irishman came by yesterday, distraught, rambling on about a man he must find, but who's been missing since St. Patrick's Day 1999, around 18:20.


Is there a coincidence here, or am I just paranoid?

Quoting Hanover
I have one day of spinning, swirling anxiety, where I throw myself about on the floor and cry for freedom.


That would be March 17th I suppose? Sorry, let me crawl back into my bottle, the real world is too much for me to take.

Quoting Baden
Wolfgang has started eating his own shit and he flat out refuses to tell me why.


Listen to me! Fuck man, he's laughing at you. Philosophers like to hype up this idea that human beings have this great unique capacity, the ability to laugh. The human creatures might even hire a jester to feed this illusion. This raises them up to lofty levels high above the animal kingdom (in their delusions). In reality, all the animals ever do is play tricks on us, and they're laughing at us. ALL THE TIME!

Baden March 19, 2024 at 14:26 #889231
Reply to javi2541997 Reply to Hanover Reply to Metaphysician Undercover

Thank you! Thank you all for your much valued advice!

OK, so hear me out. Here’s my theory: Wolfgang’s eating his own shit is a Hamlet move–'Though this is madness, yet there is method in’t'--a feign, a fake, the old lull them into a false sense of security thing. Then I’m looking for reasons, I mean if he’s Hamlet, who am I? The King? That doesn’t end well does it? And anyhow, what … like why? Did I kill his father? Ha… he… Did I…? OK, well, actually I did kill his father. Sort of. Do not judge me, do not dare judge me! Do not… OK, so I fed his father to Wanda, and then, talk about karma, she choked on him. My cat choked on Wolfgang’s father and died. That cat on the mantle, right there! My confession is complete. Are you satisfied now? Is that tragedy enough? Do we need more Shakespeare? The Hamster’s revenge? I make one moral error in a pristine life of animal kindness and benefactory and now I’m, like, a target? Besides, his daddio, Vlad, was a total dick. Complete… OK, just saying...

Anyhow and so I could take Wolfgang out in a pre-emptive strike. That would be totally justified, but do I do that? No. I am humbly remorseful for putting the rising cost of catfood on a superior level of.. of… I am fully apologetic for prioritizing economics above life itself. And so therefore I will deal with Wolfgang and every other living creature in future according to properly established moral precepts. That means, proof first, then the blender. One step at a time, right? Tell me I'm thinking straight here. Please.
javi2541997 March 19, 2024 at 15:35 #889242
Quoting Baden
Did I kill his father? Ha… he… Did I…? OK, well, actually I did kill his father. Sort of. Do not judge me, do not dare judge me! Do not… OK, so I fed his father to Wanda, and then, talk about karma, she choked on him. My cat choked on Wolfgang’s father and died.


You offered a meal to your cat. But that meal was Wolfgang's father. Whether Wolfgang is aware of his family members or not, I think it was actually a common sense act. One species was eaten by another species, but it turned out both died at the same time. There is no abusive dominance here...
I could end up being eaten by Jamal or Wanda too. It is a question of perspective.

Quoting Baden
Tell me I'm thinking straight here. Please.


You chose economics above ethics. Now you regret it, but you have learned the moral lesson. It is like a fable! I am starting to think that Wolfgang is a talking animal!
Baden March 19, 2024 at 15:47 #889246
Reply to javi2541997

Thank you javi, that helps, and at least it proves me innocent of the charge of killing Wanda through enforced veganism, right? i mean, it's not like Wolfgang's father was a tofu cube. My conscience is entirely clear on that point. Yes.
Hanover March 19, 2024 at 15:59 #889252
Every morning, Pretzel, Peanut, Fred, and Gumbo would run to the breakfast table for a cheese party, where I would sing the cheese party song and go in circles giving them each a bit of cheese until I had exhausted the daily allotment.

Turns out cheese isn't so good for dogs and cats and so I had to stop. They soon forgot about the routine and went about doing whatever it is they did before they cheese partied.

My point is this: Don't slowly kill your animals with the wrong food, even if they seem to enjoy it. The same holds true for your children and crystal meth.

That last sentence was classic Hanover edginess. Hope you enjoyed.
Baden March 19, 2024 at 16:06 #889255
Reply to Hanover

Thank you [s]javi[/s] Hanover, that helps, and at least it proves me innocent of the charge of killing Wanda through enforced veganism, right? I mean, it's not like Wolfgang's father was a [s]tofu[/s] cheese cube. My conscience is entirely clear on that point. Yes.
Hanover March 19, 2024 at 18:20 #889272
Reply to Baden Oh, no, no, no, I think you are misunderstanding. You are absolutely guilty of killing Wanda and you have blood on your hands. Make no mistake about it. My main point, and one I completely failed to mention, is that some people knit, others brew their own beer, and even others enjoy peaceful walks in the park. You happen to murder. It's just you being you. What I'd like to see is an end to this worry and a self-embracing of You.

I mean look, we've all done things we think makes us weird or unusual, but if you look deeply into anyone's soul, you'll see the same darkness, bucking back and forth like a racehorse at the gate, wanting desperatly to get out, being held into place by a tiny pin, doubtfully able to contain it much longer.

Not sure what to make of that last paragraph, but, back on point. You be You! Kill those vermin. And at the end of the day, what isn't vermin?
javi2541997 March 19, 2024 at 19:03 #889276
Reply to Baden If I were you, I would have my conscience clear too, but with the only exception to Veganism. I think this evil practice should be forbidden by law. Wanda deserves to have steak tartar for supper.

And it is always impossible for Hanover to redeem us for something. He would accuse us in a trial if he could.

Spanish lesson n? 249: Hanover siempre está enfadite con nosotros... Mi mediocre nivel de inglés le irrita y se enfada con Baden por lo del hámster. Nos acusaría en juicio si pudiera.
BC March 19, 2024 at 19:09 #889278
Watched a great program on the political and heavy equipment aspects of Boston's Big Dig project. The author lists 6 phases of a really big civil engineering project:

1. Euphoria
2. Fear
3. Resignation
4. Search for the Guilty
5. Punishment of the Innocent
6. Praise and glory of the uninvolved.

In the end, the elevated freeway cutting through Boston was put underground, new bridges and tunnels were built, horrendous engineering problems were overcome, vast sums of money were spent. Now the subway system is falling apart.
BC March 19, 2024 at 19:12 #889280
Reply to javi2541997 Google Translate says you are talking about juicing Baden's hamster. Neither Baden nor the hamster are going to like that!
Hanover March 19, 2024 at 19:26 #889284
Quoting BC
In the end, the elevated freeway cutting through Boston was put underground, new bridges and tunnels were built, horrendous engineering problems were overcome, vast sums of money were spent. Now the subway system is falling apart.


The preferred method is to find the least desirable part of town and to build an interstate over it, offering a nice divider through the community so that the two groups lose all contact with one another and evolve seperately, one with webbed feet and the other only eating eucalyptus.
javi2541997 March 19, 2024 at 19:47 #889288
Reply to BC We can't trust Google Translate. Oh Jesus! :lol:
BC March 19, 2024 at 19:55 #889289
Reply to Hanover That was part of an early plan -- the SW Corridor was going to plow through working class neighborhoods and a huge interchange was planned for Roxbury -- Boston's black cultural center. Another project was going to circle Cambridge. Citizen opposition stopped the plan so successfully that then governor Sargent closed down all freeway construction projects in Boston (in the early 70s).

The Big Dig was conceived and planning started long before a shovel of dirt was tossed. The work was done by Bechtel Parsons Brinckerhoff, a very capable construction giant which was also quite secretive about anticipated costs.

In the event that you find you have a burning desire to immerse yourself in the Big Dig, here's a link to GBH's series on the Big Dig.
AmadeusD March 19, 2024 at 20:15 #889294
Grievous Bodily Shame.
Hanover March 19, 2024 at 20:34 #889302
Reply to BC If I were King, every scandal would rhyme.

For example, Trump would call it the Election Deception
Trumps's opponents would say he attempted an Election Interception

If you'd like additional scandal rhymes (which I refer to as a scandal handle), tell me of the scandal, and I'll provide the rhyme.
BC March 19, 2024 at 20:44 #889304
Reply to javi2541997 In fairness to artificial intelligence, Google did a decent job. What I wrote was nonsense.

On the other hand, lots of Google Translate efforts fail miserably. They either don't make sense at all, or they are very crude approximations. How do I know? Well, quite often the text with the foreign language term provides the meaning.

Hey, how are you doing? ¿Qué pasa? What is the function of the accent mark on 'é'?

Today is the first day of spring. It's cool, clear, and windy here -- temperature is 10ºC / 49F. The highs for the next week are only a little above freezing. Those temperature are normal. Unfortunately, we have had quite a few days of abnormal warmth, so it seems cold.
javi2541997 March 19, 2024 at 21:08 #889310
Quoting BC
What is the function of the accent mark on 'é'?


We mark the accent in the vowels when we use interrogative words. It is called 'tilde diacrítica' :smile:
BC March 19, 2024 at 23:25 #889330
Google translates que es el auto and qué es el auto the same way, with or without the accent. On the other hand, it appears to have more responses Eng ----> Span than Span ----> Eng

Where is the car? ... ¿Dónde está el auto?
That is the car. ... Ese es el auto
Is that the car? ... ¿Es ese el auto? ...
What car is that? ... ¿Qué auto es ese?

I was going to learn to speak Spanish like a native this afternoon, but obviously the language is too complicated.

Thank heavens I already speak English like a native. It would be far too difficult, otherwise.

We need a simple language!

All verbs are in the present tense, for instance. All nouns are singular. No unnecessary words. "Yesterday I eat little. I is 87 in 2034. I is 67 in 2014, You is in Spain for 1+ year. We is member of philosophy forum. Some people is ban.

See? Simple. Spelling obviously has to be simplified.

"Al verbs r in present tens." "al nowns r singular." "Filosofe forum". "som pepl is ban.

Ether pronowns all letrs n word or get rid uv them: "Knight" = kenicht. "Nit" is more simple.

Baden March 20, 2024 at 05:48 #889363
Reply to javi2541997 Reply to Hanover

It gets weirder.

March 20th. Year of Our Lord, 2024. My Bathroom.

So, I wake up this morning with a bloody lower lip. You want to know why I have a bloody lower lip? Buddy, you don’t want to know, believe me. But I’m going to tell you. First, let’s get straight on what happened last night. Wolfgang is gone. Yes, gone. Vamoose, busted out, scarpered. No longer in the building. The cage door is wide open and the hamster has bolted. That’s number one. But I’m just getting started. Wolfgang is gone, but something else is here. In me. How can I explain? Oh yeah, the lip. My lip is bloody, bud, because my upper incisors are now 5cm long. Yes, you heard right. I may add that I have developed a thin furry coating over my entire body. You got me? So the hair I can handle. But the teeth… I can’t even talk without ripping myself up. I look like a freakin’... I’m looking in the mirror right now. I don’t like what I see. I really don’t like what I see. Things have escalated. We are now in the realm of very bad doo doo. Well… what now, Einsteins?


javi2541997 March 20, 2024 at 06:15 #889371
Reply to Baden Firstly, don't worry for bleeding out of your lower lip. I tend to bleed out of my lips when I wake up too. It is 06:55, and I was bleeding 25 minutes ago. When I sleep my mouth gets drought for unknown reasons, and when I open it I start bleeding because the lips get cut. It is a weird feeling, but it is OK to bleed. It is the potion of our body and the sacred liquid of Jesus. We should not fear blood. It is not a coincidence that you and I have bled out of our lips. I think most of the users do, but they are afraid of sharing this in the shoutbox.

On the other hand, it surprised me that Wolfgang had actually scapered. After all the drama and emotional issues of yesterday, he decided to leave the building. Yet I believe Wolfgang will come back to your room sooner or later. Animals tend to do this, and although Wolfgang is intellectual, he is an animal with the feeling of being petted anyway. I bet whenever Wolfgang starts to get hungry he will go to your room and knock on your door again. I hope you will stop bleeding then. I would not like to be in your position of bleeding in front of the hamster... a violent scene could happen.
baker March 20, 2024 at 08:43 #889395
Quoting Baden
Things have escalated. We are now in the realm of very bad doo doo. Well… what now, Einsteins?


A broom, a broom!
Baden March 20, 2024 at 11:12 #889421
Reply to javi2541997

Thanks I hav started chewing bedposd anywa
Metaphysician Undercover March 20, 2024 at 11:13 #889422
Quoting Baden
Well… what now, Einsteins?


When the one who is laughing at you has become you, there's only one thing you can do, and that is to laugh at yourself. The rest of us become innocent bystanders.

What's the difference between hurling an insult, and making a joke?
Jamal March 20, 2024 at 11:21 #889424
Last night we were without electricity and discovered that scented candles are bloody useless for illumination. Therefore my advice is to stock up on regular old-fashioned candles, preferably made of spermaceti.
Jamal March 20, 2024 at 11:30 #889426
Quoting BC
We need a simple language!


You might be interested in Toki Pona, the world’s smallest language.

javi2541997 March 20, 2024 at 12:55 #889446
Quoting Jamal
You might be interested in Toki Pona, the world’s smallest language.


Ironically, the less the number of words, the more it is complex to learn and understand the language, because it is open to every possible interpretation. For example: Car is 'moving room' in Toki Pona. Because Tomo can mean house, building, room, etc. and Tawa means moving forward. So, connecting those two words, it means 'Car'. It is very complex, indeed. :sweat:

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Hanover March 20, 2024 at 13:26 #889451
Reply to javi2541997 This sounds Spidermanish, where maybe a radioactive hamster bit you. I saw a documentary where a man turned into a fly. I can't remember the name of it, but I think it was called The Fly. The good news is that you'll have all the traits of a hamster, just as more extreme superpowers. You'll scamper really fast and maybe nibble with crazy accuracy. I can only hope you use your powers for good. Being a comic book hero is a demanding job.

I wish you God's speed. Whatever that means.
Hanover March 20, 2024 at 13:27 #889452
Reply to javi2541997 The easiest language is English. At least for me. The others are really hard to pronounce and I don't know what they mean.
Hanover March 20, 2024 at 13:33 #889454
Quoting javi2541997
For example: Car is 'moving room' in Toki Pona. Because Tomo can mean house, building, room, etc. and Tawa means moving forward. So, connecting those two words, it means 'Car'. It is very complex, indeed.


We have the same problem with English. Like we call a rooster a cock and a penis a cock, and unless you're really tuned into English nuance, you'll continually embarass yourself with the misuse of these two similar but very different terms.

For example, I ordered the coq de vin, which is a slow cooked rooster dish, but I told the waiter I wanted a steaming plate of cock to fill my hungry mouth with, obviously intending to order the coq de vin, but he misunderstood the subtlties of my native tongue. What followed was a tragic misunderstanding.
Hanover March 20, 2024 at 13:39 #889455
My favorite part, "obviously intending to order the coq de vin."
javi2541997 March 20, 2024 at 14:01 #889458
Quoting Hanover
The easiest language is English. At least for me. The others are really hard to pronounce and I don't know what they mean.


LMAO! :lol: Hanover, I think it is obvious that each of us consider our native language as the easiest because it is the one we are familiar with. I think Spanish is the easiest and Baden and Wolfgang think Gaelic is the easiest too.
Jamal March 20, 2024 at 14:14 #889461
Reply to javi2541997

I believe Wolfgang speaks Tuvan.
Baden March 20, 2024 at 14:25 #889464
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Hanover March 20, 2024 at 14:45 #889467
Reply to Baden Next time write with your right hand. It'll be easier for me to read.
Baden March 20, 2024 at 15:01 #889472
javi2541997 March 20, 2024 at 15:56 #889494
I have wasted one hour doing this. I am stupid, so I need to use Tipp-Ex most of the time.

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BC March 20, 2024 at 18:26 #889507
Reply to Jamal I've seen several Youtube presentations by this guy. Interesting. Another approach is Basic English.

Basic English was devised by Cambridge philosopher Charles Sumner around 1930. It has a vocabulary of 850 words with about 20 verbs. I don't know what percentage of Basic English vocabulary were selected from the Anglo Saxon core of English; my guess is that quite a few were.

Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is composed of roughly 90% words from the Anglo Saxon core and common words added (mostly from French) which gave him a Middle Earth vocabulary of maybe 10,000 words, max. Then there were the languages Tolkien invented.

A few years ago I tried learning French using Rosetta Stone. I liked the program and I did make some progress. Interest flagged, however. My interest was reading French; I don't especially like the way French sounds (coming out of some Francophone mouths) and its spelling is terrible.

It's not impossible for us old folks to learn new languages, but it is quite hard. One's brain doesn't have as many empty memory slots to put stuff in as young people have. Plus, once the brain has found an empty slot, it's hard to keep stuff from sliding out and ending up as a jumble on the floor.

Or you learn something new really well only to discover that something older and important is erased.
Hanover March 20, 2024 at 19:35 #889520
Quoting BC
It's not impossible for us old folks to learn new languages, but it is quite hard. One's brain doesn't have as many empty memory slots to put stuff in as young people have. Plus, once the brain has found an empty slot, it's hard to keep stuff from sliding out and ending up as a jumble on the floor.


The number of English words has increased over time and its grammar has simplified over time for this very reason. Old people are stupid. If you insert young people into a society, they will learn the language close to the natives, but the old fuckers will drop the grammatical irregularities and will throw in words from their homelands. They do this because old people are just bad at learning language.

If you look at a language like modern English and go back to Middle and then Old English, you can pretty much figure out that immigration has been taking place and older speakers have entered the mix.

I find the issues of accents, the inabilty to emulate native languages, and the addition of new words by foreigners an interesting evolutionary control over integration. That we can easily distinguish strangers from natives by speaking to them seems to be an important social control.

Deleted user March 20, 2024 at 21:49 #889545
Quoting BC
French sounds (coming out of some Francophone mouths)


You should try listening to Quebecois or Wallon French, it is especially unpleasant, not to use stronger words (sorry).
In the case of Wallon I would not blame the French language however, nothing in Belgium sounds good.

Reply to javi2541997 The messed up tippex really got me.
Sir2u March 21, 2024 at 01:15 #889616
Quoting Baden
Well… what now, Einsteins?


Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of the "Living death of Baden Wolfgang", "Can I have another bed post please".

This episode was brought to you by Big Farma, the drug company that keeps you alive so that you keep on buying their drugs.
Sir2u March 21, 2024 at 01:38 #889618
Quoting Hanover
Old people are stupid.


Anyone that thinks this is worse. Some might be ignorant of thing that younger people consider important, but some of us are wise enough to not try and emulate them.

I am 70, and I am still studying new stuff.Quoting Hanover
If you insert young people into a society, they will learn the language close to the natives, but the old fuckers will drop the grammatical irregularities and will throw in words from their homelands. They do this because old people are just bad at learning language.


The only thing you got right there was the last line, or at least partially right. The youngest will learn easiest because their brain is still developing its language center and they are capable of learning 2 words for the same thing much easier that older folks. they also have no or little shame about making mistakes and trying again.
Most of the time it is the young teens that insert homeland words because it sounds cool or the adult that is just trying to get along and does not really need to learn properly as long as the understand what is said to them.

B.C. got it right, it is more difficult for older folks to learn a new language, but not because they are stupid. If you spend 60 or 80 years calling something a horse, it is very difficult to think of it as anything else. The brain needs to do a lot more work to register the new word and coordinate its use into sentences made of other new words.
Hanover March 21, 2024 at 02:29 #889622
Reply to Sir2u I said old people are stupid to be self depreciating, putting myself into that class. I didn't mean to insult anyone. But now I find myself head to head with the AARP. So my apologies to one and to all. I came meaning no harm.

But the old (and really not that old btw) are less able to learn new languages as part of the ways brains develop. If you start a language later in life you will never (as in never ever) speak it like a native.
javi2541997 March 21, 2024 at 05:08 #889629
Quoting Deleted user
The messed up tippex really got me.


I usually have to carry a notebook with different dates, appointments, meetings, etc. for my academy, and it is full of Tipp-Ex. I tend to confuse the days or the numbers... if I delete the mistake with another pen it looks ugly, honestly.
Thanks, Germany, for creating the Tipp-Ex!
Jamal March 21, 2024 at 05:21 #889631
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Possible avatar for @Wolfgang
javi2541997 March 21, 2024 at 05:51 #889633
Reply to Jamal :lol:

Well, there is no doubt it is a hamster (or a mouse) the animal I drew yesterday. Some folks can easily think it is a cat or a hyena.
Baden March 21, 2024 at 08:04 #889638
21st of March, 2024

Dear esteemed TPF community members,

Please do excuse all that nonsense concerning my transformation into a Siberian hamster. Of course, none of that ever happened, haha. Just my little joke. I even forged that note. As one of you fellows noticed, I wrote it with my left hand to give the appearance of authenticity. I am as human as ever, haha. (Though one might be forgiven for thinking I had some odd obsession with these little critters. What a thought! *chuckle*).

So, the real focus of my efforts here is purely academic. I aim to play a pivotal role in a humanities project I am deeply engaged in as part of my research studies; it involves the transformation of a number of Shakespearean plays into a hamsterian perspective. To clarify, this will involve each character being a form of hamster, or a human / hamster hybrid if you will (which is why you may have gleaned by now it was necessary as part of this PURELY ACADEMIC effort for me to get inside the mind of such a creature. Again, apologies if it all seemed a bit TOO REAL, haha. But I assure you I am perfectly fine and indeed 100% human *chuckle*).

And so for the purposes of research, I require just 5 or 6 of volunteers from the cohort of fine budding philosophers here to mentally transform into hamsters and read and rewrite a Shakespeare play (the first will be Hamlet) as outlined above. Please feel free to collaborate and strategize over responsibilities concerning scenes, acts, characters and suchlike. I am sure there will be some competition among you over who gets to play “Hamsterlet” eh? Haha, *chuckle*.

In any case, the deadline for applications for this project is 3pm next Wednesday afternoon. I will judge the successful applicants purely on merit.

Ulug öördüm!

Professor Wolfgang Baden II

Dean

Faculty of Arts and Sciences,
Little Yenisey University,
Kyzyl,
Republic of Tuva,
Siberia,
Russia


Baden March 21, 2024 at 08:09 #889639
Reply to javi2541997

Your image of Wolfgang as I perceive him (only in my imagination, of course, haha, *chuckle*, as if he even exists hehe, the very thought!) is startling perceptive. And I believe a fellow of your artistic talents would be much suited to the academic environs hereabouts. Please do feel free to initiate correspondence on this topic. In any case, I must rush now. My exercise wheel beckons.
javi2541997 March 21, 2024 at 09:23 #889642
Reply to Baden I will be very pleased to take part in your project. It looks interesting, and it is not difficult to transform myself into a hamster if it is necessary. Nonetheless, I have a little suggestion here. Rather than Shakespeare's plays, I would love to read Nordic playwrights, especially Jon Fosse. Why? Because I am a melancholic and nostalgic boy. The transformation into a hamster doesn't keep me out of being sensitive. It is important to collaborate but not avoid who I am, because the collaboration will be useless and fake. Well... whenever my transformation into a rodent is done... I would love to be named Pablo Guillermo. I know it is weird, but I think animals deserve to have two names and not only one.

Note 1: I am ready.

Note 2: OH MY GOD. You actually updated your profile picture to Wolfgang Mouse drawing. This weirdly makes me happy. You will never know where happiness is.

Javier

Facultad de Filosofía y Letras.
Parque de Palomeras Bajas, 23.
Madrid. 28018.
Spain.
Michael March 21, 2024 at 11:34 #889652
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Metaphysician Undercover March 21, 2024 at 11:45 #889655
Quoting Baden
And so for the purposes of research, I require just 5 or 6 of volunteers from the cohort of fine budding philosophers here to mentally transform into hamsters and read and rewrite a Shakespeare play (the first will be Hamlet) as outlined above.


I'd take part, but only if you'd allow me to be a gerbil instead of a hamster. Furthermore, I think you'd find that I would flatly refuse to read Shakespeare, as I did in high school, finding the language to be undecipherable gerbilish. So my collaborating and strategizing would be nothing more than cheating the system. I'll be on the tread mill, just call if that's what you want.
Baden March 21, 2024 at 12:21 #889662
Quoting javi2541997
You actually updated your profile picture to Wolfgang Mouse drawing


An honour, sir! And I am delighted that you have signalled your participation. I agree to your terms and I am assured this will be a grand success! :cheer:

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
finding the language to be undecipherable gerbilish


But this is indeed part of my motivation (somewhat hidden from the authorities) to make it more hamsterish. :eyes:
Michael March 21, 2024 at 12:30 #889663
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I'd take part, but only if you'd allow me to be a gerbil instead of a hamster.


We shall call you Lemmiwinks.
Hanover March 21, 2024 at 12:32 #889664
Reply to Baden I'm ready to get started on your project. I was thinking about a hamster falling in love with a gerbil, and we all know the fued between those two in terms of which makes the better ratpet. Their love is forbidden, but they very much want to interbreed to the extent they're not evolutionary too distinct to do so. All sorts of efforts are made to bring these two together and get them bouncing on top of each other, but inevitably the boy hamster fucks something up, misunderstands something, and, feeling all is lost, throws himself into the mouth of a cat, which then leads the girl gerbil to get all dramatic and shit and so she jams her head into the gerbil wheel and waits for another unsuspecting gerbil to get on it and spin her head off flying across the cage.

It'd be a tragic story if we we weren't just talking about rats.

I mean it's a first stab at this, but I think it's coming along pretty well.
javi2541997 March 21, 2024 at 12:45 #889666
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover I refused to read Shakespeare when I was in school too. But... this is different... Baden is asking us to transform ourselves into hamsters. I think it will be special to be rodents for a day.
Look... I am expecting a lot from you, MU... there is nothing like sharing the love and affection of animals amongst friends. I feel more confident when I transform myself into X, because Y is already screwed.

'I love acting. It is so much real than life' - Oscar Wilde.
Baden March 21, 2024 at 13:29 #889672
Reply to Hanover

"Wolfgang and Juliet" eh? Magandandzhyg!

But gerbils we need not. Let us make it a romance of the Siberian and Syrian breeds.

"O Wolfgang, Wolfgang, wherefore art thou Wolfgang?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name.
Or if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love
And I’ll no longer be a Syrian.
‘Tis but thy name that is my enemy:
Thou art thyself, though not a Siberian.
What’s Siberian? It is not paw nor foot
Nor tooth nor snout nor any other part
Belonging to a hamster. O be some other name.
What’s in a name? That which we call a raisin
By any other name would taste as sweet;
So Wolfgang would, were he not Wolfgang call’d,
Retain that rodentian perfection which he owes
Without that title. Wolfgang, doff thy name,
And for that name, which is no part of thee,
Take all myself."

Quoting javi2541997
I think it will be special to be rodents for a day.


:pray:
Deleted user March 21, 2024 at 18:44 #889728
AmadeusD March 21, 2024 at 19:10 #889736
Quoting AmadeusD
Amadeus Diamond is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Join Zoom Meeting
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Tis a TPF meet-up via AVL - if any are interested, or want to suggest better timing.
Tom Storm March 21, 2024 at 19:16 #889738
The Formula One Grand Prix is in my city this weekend. The streets will be packed with inebriated race fans wearing $95 Ferrari baseball caps. My trams have been replaced by buses and the air is thick with the smell of E10 fuel and grid girls doused in Soleil Brûlant by Tom Ford... I wish I was dead.
javi2541997 March 21, 2024 at 19:24 #889740
Quoting Tom Storm
I wish I was dead.


I understand that feeling. I hate Formula One. I usually go to Montmeló and the city becomes noisy, toxic and unbearable. This is one of the things I don't mind if Catalonia has it, but Madrid doesn't. Yet it seems that F1 will be in Madrid in the next tournaments too... Pathetic. The governors of my city are stupid for wanting to hold the Grand Prix with its toxicity and its hard smell.





javi2541997 March 21, 2024 at 19:25 #889741
Reply to Deleted user I am not a philosopher but a wannabe fabulist.
Jamal March 21, 2024 at 19:29 #889743
Reply to Tom Storm

Just fly out to the Bungle Bungles for a few days, get away from it all, paint some pictures.
Tom Storm March 21, 2024 at 19:58 #889746
Reply to Jamal Love to, but who will feed my wombat?
Tom Storm March 21, 2024 at 20:25 #889750
Quoting javi2541997
I am not a philosopher but a wannabe fabulist.


I fail at philosophy and fabulism. I'm a quotidian.
0 thru 9 March 21, 2024 at 20:28 #889751
Quoting Tom Storm
Love to, but who will feed my wombat?


Uber Tuber Eats? Grubs Hubs? (Do they enjoy the wee wiggling worms?)

Who is to say that Mr Wombie wouldn’t appreciate being invited to vacation with you?
From the videos I’ve seen, I’d be afraid of hurting his feelings and getting roughed up. :monkey: :sweat:
Tom Storm March 21, 2024 at 20:32 #889753
Reply to 0 thru 9 It's a burden. He will only eat two varieties of natives grass. The pet store gets it in for me and I keep a a few days supply handy in my rooftop greenhouse. But the fucker will eat all of it unless someone monitors portion control. I'd take him with me but he burps loudly all the time and people get spooked.
0 thru 9 March 21, 2024 at 21:14 #889766
Reply to Tom Storm Haha!

And it’s strange, everything you said about your wombat could be said about my two closest friends, who may have been descended from wombats.
Except that they don’t eat two kinds of native grass, they smoke it. :blush:
Tom Storm March 21, 2024 at 21:29 #889771
Metaphysician Undercover March 22, 2024 at 02:29 #889833
Quoting javi2541997
I think it will be special to be rodents for a day.


I'm scared.
Sir2u March 22, 2024 at 02:43 #889838
Reply to Hanover Thank you for clearing that up. I was not really in the mood to be pissed of at anyone, and now I don't need to be. :lol:

Quoting Hanover
If you start a language later in life you will never (as in never ever) speak it like a native.


I started learning Spanish when I was 21, on the phone I can usually pass as a local. It is when they see me that they know I am not.
javi2541997 March 22, 2024 at 05:49 #889854
Quoting Tom Storm
I fail at philosophy and fabulism. I'm a quotidian.


Being a quotidian is even more artistic and aesthetic than folks who are always discussing metaphysics and/or modern politics.

'Now Art should never try to be popular. The public should try to make itself artistic'. - Oscar Wilde.

Oh, Jesus! I am obsessed with Wilde's quotes.







Tom Storm March 22, 2024 at 06:11 #889860
Quoting javi2541997
Oh, Jesus! I am obsessed with Wilde's quotes.


He's great. His aphoristic excellence reminds me of a benign and less truculent Nietzsche.
javi2541997 March 22, 2024 at 06:35 #889864
Quoting Tom Storm
He's great. His aphoristic excellence...


:up:

I love another quote from him: 'My life is a scandal.'

javi2541997 March 22, 2024 at 06:37 #889865
@Miguel Hernández .And you have to be careful. This a ropey area. I forgot to take my bromazepam pills this morning while eating the breakfast and now I feel aggressive and mad with the damn train because it is even slower than a snail.
Hanover March 22, 2024 at 12:12 #889921
Quoting javi2541997
This a ropey area


I had never heard this term "ropey" before. It is apparently British English, which is a corrupted form of the accepted American standard.
Baden March 22, 2024 at 12:47 #889932
Boring linguists call for equality among dialects but how will they improve unless they are set in vicious competition against each other, aintent'it?
Hanover March 22, 2024 at 13:04 #889935
Reply to Baden I just need to point out the ongoing absurdity of the English laying claim to proper English. They might have invented it, but we perfected it.
Deleted user March 22, 2024 at 13:17 #889938
Baden March 22, 2024 at 13:56 #889957
Reply to Hanover

In a death match, Ozzie English would have a decent chance--some quirky moves. But honestly, in the end, each dialect would probably end up wounding each other so badly that Chinese would just come along and take over. So I'm not sure I like your idea. Of course, I may be misunderstanding since you are speaking yankmerican.
Hanover March 22, 2024 at 17:35 #890034
Reply to Baden Yeah Ravi Shanker, all I'm hearing is a box of toys from you. You want to read and write? I'm short of a sheet with a ship in full sale in my hand without an ounce of chicken curry.

I think that's how I would challenge you to a fight in East London.

https://happy2movelondon.co.uk/complete-dictionary-of-cockney-rhyming-slang/
Hanover March 22, 2024 at 22:33 #890080
It is difficult not to question the grace of our heavenly creator when we see his erasure of the multitude of shades of beige with the bothersome colors of spring.User image
Wisteria in bloom.
Sir2u March 23, 2024 at 01:24 #890115
Quoting Hanover
I just need to point out the ongoing absurdity of the English laying claim to proper English. They might have invented it, but we perfected it.


B.S.
Hanover March 23, 2024 at 23:04 #890307
Reply to AmadeusD I logged in at 5:30 eastern on Friday and no one was online.
Hanover March 23, 2024 at 23:06 #890309
Happy Purim to everyone. Enjoy your hamantashens and green beer.
javi2541997 March 24, 2024 at 05:46 #890337
And so for the purposes of research, I require just 5 or 6 of volunteers from the cohort of fine budding philosophers here to mentally transform into hamsters...


I will be very pleased to take part in your project.


I will have my hamster-like playwriting done tomorrow morning. Shall I post it here in the shoutbox @Baden?


Hanover March 24, 2024 at 13:39 #890387
The following are disgusting candies:

Peeps
Candy corn
Those wax mini soda bottles
Necco wafers
Black liquorice
Baden March 24, 2024 at 13:39 #890388
Reply to javi2541997

Yes, yes, please, wonderful! *chuckle* *burp*
Deleted user March 24, 2024 at 13:51 #890393
Reply to Hanover Any coca cola flavoured candy is disgusting.
javi2541997 March 24, 2024 at 14:14 #890395
Reply to Baden Whopper! :cool:
javi2541997 March 24, 2024 at 14:15 #890396
Quoting Deleted user
Any coca cola flavoured candy is disgusting


I agree. But this does happen because Coca-Cola is disgusting itself.
Paine March 24, 2024 at 15:03 #890415
Reply to javi2541997
Wait till you have it as a sauce on ham. The journey to the dark side will be complete.
javi2541997 March 24, 2024 at 15:24 #890418
Quoting Paine
Wait till you have it as a sauce on ham. The journey to the dark side will be complete.


It is impossible for me to imagine a combo like that. It is that disgusting my mind blocks it automatically.
Deleted user March 24, 2024 at 16:49 #890428
Reply to javi2541997 Old folks from my birth town used to mix diet coke with vanilla ice cream and call it black cow. Praying for their souls.
javi2541997 March 24, 2024 at 17:12 #890436
Quoting Deleted user
and call it black cow.


Well, they had a poetic imagination at least.
Jamal March 24, 2024 at 17:42 #890450
Reply to Deleted user

I approve. As a child I used to go to Nardini’s cafe for ice cream floats, otherwise known as coke floats. Coca-Cola in a tall sundae glass with a scoop of vanilla ice cream.
BC March 24, 2024 at 20:35 #890501
Quoting Hanover
Those wax mini soda bottles


Those were around in the early 1950s. Wiedenhaft's Grocery had them. They were disgusting, Ditto for the other items n the list. Especially candy corn.
Deleted user March 24, 2024 at 21:09 #890525
Quoting Jamal
I approve.


Bless your soul.
AmadeusD March 24, 2024 at 22:12 #890563
Reply to Hanover I was online ten minutes early and waited until 15 after the start time twiddling my thumbs. It was an uphill battle anyhow :P Another time! Perhaps something around an event/holiday so its on minds more.
javi2541997 March 25, 2024 at 06:01 #890673
@Baden. Here it goes... I hope it is entertaining and easy to read. Thanks for allowing me to take part in your project. I only wish this is (somehow) what you are looking for...
javi2541997 March 25, 2024 at 06:02 #890674
March 25th of the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2024.

I am waiting in the endless circle of life and temptations. My days are simple: I wake up, I eat, I question my existence, and then I go to sleep.
Sorry, if I haven't introduced myself yet. My name is Pablo Guillermo, and I am a hamster living in a purple light cage in an office inside other blocks of offices in Madrid. My owner X is wacky, but we understand each other. One day, I ate a pen from his suitcase, and randomly he gnawed the pencil too. I wonder if humans could transform into hamsters since then. Anyway, it is 08:56 and the owner is passing by the door.

X: Do you... (?) Do you... I mean, did you finish the draft? oh yes... I understand, etc. Oh, man, it is impossible to get things done with these teammates. Hey, how are you doing? If only I could transform into a hamster and speak to you, my life would be more pleasant.

Pablo Guillermo: I hope I will not regret doing this after all...

*clink*

X: Where is my suitcase... Here... There... WAIT A MINUTE. Why is the table that long? Someone put something in my coffee this morning, absolutely.

Pablo Guillermo: No, buddy. You are just now a hamster like me. Everything looks bigger than you are used to. The distances and lengths are longer too. Life passes by slowly as much as the hands of a clock. But it never stops. I mean, our way to our end.

X: Oh, God! Pablo Guillermo is literally talking.

Pablo Guillermo: I can't believe you got surprised because of my ability to talk and not my existential crisis.

X: Oh, true. What do hamsters do?

Pablo Guillermo: Follow me. I will show you something special.

Part II.

They jumped from the desk and started to run along the blue carpet. Everything was monstrously bigger than them, but the most curious fact is that there was no noise. It only heard their paws scrolling. They entered a dark and cold room. With his tiny paws, Pablo Guillermo lit a bulb up and opened a box.

Pablo Guillermo: Look what I was storing in this secret room...

*Pablo Guillermo shows the nibbled pen*

X: Oh, Lord! It is the pen I bit once.

Pablo Guillermo: Yes, it is. I have had it with me since then. When I saw you bit it like I do, I knew you would like to be a hamster...

*They start to cry*

X: You are right. Transforming myself into a hamster is everything I always dreamed of. I didn't want to share this because I was afraid of being treated as a mental disorder person... I am crying for happiness... I never felt this free. It is hard to explain, but as a hamster I can fit in the puzzle of life.

Pablo Guillermo: I tend to question my existence when I am in the cage. I see you working covered by papers, and I am there running in the endless circle...

X: Endless circle?

Pablo Guillermo: Yes you know. We sleep, we wake up, take breakfast, go to work or study, cry and then go to sleep again. Since we are rodents now, I think we can face life and do different things. Let's leave these offices.

X: OK. I follow you, but don't forget this. *X grabs the pen*

The two rodents left the room silently. There were people with suits around, but they didn't recognize them. Who knows? Maybe one of these workers wants to be a hamster too. Opening the entry door, the sun brightly reflects on them. A new life is about to start. It is time to be a hamster... Although it only lasts one day.
Baden March 25, 2024 at 11:34 #890716
Reply to javi2541997

My dear Sir Javi,

This is an absolutely exemplary addition to the field of Hamsterish literature and will form an invaluable contribution to my research. I am honored you have shared it with me. :pray:

Your humble servant,

Prof. Wolfgang Baden II
javi2541997 March 25, 2024 at 12:15 #890720
Reply to Baden Thank you for your kindness, Baden. Your words cheered me up, and it was fun to write this play. I am honored as well you took your time to read it.

A wannabe fabulist in the pursuit of Hamsterish literature,

Javi, el cuarto de los ratones.

Best wishes. Until the next activity/project!
Hanover March 25, 2024 at 12:36 #890727
Reply to BC I forgot, but maybe the most disgusting of all time, those orange circus peanuts.
Tom Storm March 25, 2024 at 20:21 #890795
Reply to javi2541997 Nice work. I will never look at hamsters in the same way.
javi2541997 March 25, 2024 at 21:17 #890818
Reply to Tom Storm Wow! Thank you, Tom for reading my basic play in the first place. :party: :100: I really appreciate it.

Baden inspired me with this Hamsterish thing. I will never look at these rodents in the same way either. When I said I wanted to transform into a hamster I was joking, but now... I think it would be worth trying.
Metaphysician Undercover March 26, 2024 at 00:33 #890877
Quoting javi2541997
A new life is about to start. It is time to be a hamster...


I like the ending, except for the part about only one day. Why not forever?

I can't do it, still too scared. Maybe I could handle being a chicken.
Jamal March 26, 2024 at 01:35 #890890
I was a mouse, don't forget.
javi2541997 March 26, 2024 at 05:28 #890925
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I like the ending, except for the part about only one day. Why not forever?


Because everything was a dream... tomorrow morning X will be a boring worker in the office again... he was dreaming about everything he wished for: a new life, a new body, escapism, etc.
The despair of the first paragraph is told by Pablo Guillermo the hamster but with the mind and soul of X, the office worker. :sad:

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Maybe I could handle being a chicken.


Chickens can fly! :sparkle:
javi2541997 March 26, 2024 at 05:31 #890926
Quoting Jamal
I was a mouse, don't forget


I thought you were an albatross!
Jamal March 26, 2024 at 05:49 #890929
Reply to javi2541997

Jamalbatross?
javi2541997 March 26, 2024 at 06:44 #890935
Quoting Jamal
Jamalbatross?


I couldn't have said it better!
Metaphysician Undercover March 26, 2024 at 10:27 #890985
Quoting javi2541997
Chickens can fly! :sparkle:


Sort of, but I think the better word is flee.
jorndoe March 26, 2024 at 12:20 #891006
Maybe some will find this worthwhile giving a debunk

The nomological argument for the existence of God (— Tyler Hildebrand, Thomas Metcalf · Big Think · May 3, 2021)


Nerd humor :D

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Hanover March 26, 2024 at 14:45 #891066
I did a past life regression analysis using your basic statistical formulas for such things and it turns out that prior to being Hanover of Hanoveria, I was Delilalicious, a go go dancer at a seedy whisky bar on the lower south east west side. I danced in a cage for 12 hours straight, my knee length boots cracking at the knees while I maintained a far away look in my eyes and gyrated for tips and pickled herring. My father would sip his beer as he looked past my shoulder, watching the horse races, always betting on Thickcock in the 3rd.

As it turned out, I would fall for a regular, a cowboy with a broken back with an angry laugh that belied his gentle spirit. He saved me from that life, where my twelve Amish children and he moved me into a house built upon stilts that stood 100 yards into the ocean just past the breaking waves. We would swim to our abode, with my infant Lucy clutching my hair as she road along my back like a baby turtle.

We lived a modest life, snacking upon peanut butter and jellyfish sandwiches and salt water taffy. I taught my children well and sang the songs of the old country to them so as to preserve that part of me.

"Oh Tangaestaneovia! Oh Tangestanovia! How my heart longs for your gentle fields as the cackle birds fly high in the sky above the rivers that flow with the blood of the Kankarovions, our mortal enemy! Let them die! Let them Cry!"

Singing that national anthem would bring me such pride.

That I have moved from that life to what I am now, a moderator, is just proof that there is a kind and gentle god. The story explains much, particularly my penchant for the longboot and those with broken backs.
frank March 26, 2024 at 15:16 #891081
Reply to Hanover
Three Body Problem is on Netflix.
jorndoe March 26, 2024 at 16:08 #891127
:D

Had a conversation about the sun at a Flat Earth Convention and it almost broke us. (Nov 1, 2023 · 1m:18s)
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1719872720463176108[/tweet]

Hanover March 26, 2024 at 16:25 #891132
Quoting frank
Three Body Problem is on Netflix.


Thank you for providing its location.
Leontiskos March 26, 2024 at 18:06 #891170
Reply to jorndoe - You gotta give it to him and concede. You can't argue with that!

Deleted user March 26, 2024 at 20:30 #891210
frank March 26, 2024 at 20:45 #891215
Quoting Hanover
Thank you for providing its location.


It's also in a book. The descriptions of events in Communist China are brutal.
Hanover March 26, 2024 at 20:57 #891220
Reply to Deleted user That photograph does provide conclusive proof of at least one rejection (and that is indisputably the shadow of Jesus' prominent chin), but I don't how how they arrived at "most." The word only showed up above one of the listener's heads. Typically if there were an outcry, you'd see blurbs throughout the angry crowd.
Deleted user March 26, 2024 at 21:11 #891225
Reply to Hanover You see, the pharisees were very orderly people, they let one speak, and if there was no objection, it meant that he spoke for all, without need for a ruckus.
wonderer1 March 26, 2024 at 21:35 #891235
Quoting frank
It's also in a book. The descriptions of events in Communist China are brutal.


Have you watched any of it?

I caught up to the latest episode last night. I'm liking it. But I'll leave it there, for now.
Hanover March 26, 2024 at 21:45 #891243
I don't watch TV. Ever since they stopped using antennae, I've not been able to figure out how to rig them up.

I'll look on Youtube and see if it'll show me how to do it.
frank March 26, 2024 at 22:18 #891265
Quoting wonderer1
Have you watched any of it?


Yes. It's pretty good.

Quoting Hanover
, I've not been able to figure out how to rig them up.


You just put "Netflix" in your google and pay them $10 or whatever it is they charge. Then you can watch Sweet Home on your mighty phone. I think you'd like it.
jorndoe March 27, 2024 at 00:10 #891316
The Baltimore bridge collapse (Mar 26, 2024) didn't take long to bring the crazy out

Schlapp: lockdowns and the pandemic, yep, and drugs :mask:
Mace: Biden's infra policies
Posobiec: Biden, it's all Biden's fault
Bartiromo: the border, it's border policies
Scott: the border, it's the wide-open border
Jones: cyber-attack, world war 3 has started :death:
Tate: cyber-attack, yep
"DrRemingtonPHD": big boom :fire:
"Alex_Oloyede2": Israel
"Bubblebathgirl": anti-white business practices err corporate diversity initiatives
Gabriel: Buttigieg's'gotta go

afp, rollingstone, thedailybeast

javi2541997 March 27, 2024 at 08:20 #891369
What is this? A secret message? Is the illuminati behind this? It is not the first time that I have seen a plane and a cup of coffee on banknotes. Yesterday it was on a €20 note and then now on this €50 one. What does the European Central Bank want to say about this?

Some EU members like @Benkei for example. Did you notice this in your banknotes?

More precisely. Why does the cup of coffee appear in Spain? Hmm... this is very strange and mysterious to me.

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Benkei March 27, 2024 at 09:55 #891386
Reply to javi2541997 I have no clue. Can you remove/smudge it? And how come you have 50 whole euros?!
javi2541997 March 27, 2024 at 10:59 #891392
Quoting Benkei
Can you remove/smudge it?


No. I cannot! I tried it the first time I saw the drawings. But it seems they are part of the banknotes, and were printed with them.

Quoting Benkei
And how come you have 50 whole euros?!


I lease a parking space and the leaseholder pays me in cash. Just €80, and when I saw the €50 banknote I thought Jesus! His children painted on them. But no... It is clearly a hidden message from the European Central Bank.
Outlander March 27, 2024 at 12:27 #891402
Quoting javi2541997
I lease a parking space and the leaseholder pays me in cash. Just €80, and when I saw the €50 banknote I thought Jesus! His children painted on them. But no... It is clearly a hidden message from the European Central Bank.


Ooh, how I love a good all-encompassing international mystery! You never know just how far this rabbit hole will go. Or what we might uncover, if we even survive, pray tell! This reminds me of Sherlock Holmes (the book not the cheesy modern movie) or National Treasure with Nicholas Cage. Could it be a treasure map? A secret, covert message from a wealthy insider who happened upon something horrible, knowing he's being watched and so his only option of conveyance was to leave such a subtle, seemingly innocuous clue for the world to see and hope someone with a keen eye and sharp wit answers his call and stops whatever it may be before it's too late?!

What an unfortunate time to have stopped drinking. A nice, hearty glass of brandy or cognac to sip on would be excellent to have in hand as we combine our shared wits and philosophical intuitions to become an unstoppable force and unravel this mystery together. What a shame. You picked a terrible time to stumble upon an international mystery, Javi. If I didn't know any better... I'd say you opted for this timing on purpose! You're in on it, aren't you? Don't lie to me.
javi2541997 March 27, 2024 at 14:10 #891418
Reply to Outlander I must admit I opted for this timing on purpose. It is indescribable the anxiety I suffered when I saw the drawing in the first place. I go to shopping to Mercadona every day. This beautiful mall is the main location where I always buy bread, spring onions, pepper, water, alcohol, etc. I think Mercadona workers respect me and do I with them. So, I will never cheat on them. It is sad and they do not deserve it. When I saw the f*cking plane and coffee cup I thought: 'this notebook deserves to be put on the rubbish', but I wonder why the hell it has these symbols. A plane seriously has to mean something. And this object is located at the 'E' of Euro. But the coffee cup is in the middle of my country.

I think the hidden message is the following one: if you want to have a coffee in Spain you need to previously buy a plane ticket to travel abroad.

... But it is obvious that the message could be darker, cursed and violent. I am very afraid of the European Central Bank. Christine Lagarde seems to be a very twisted person.

Quoting Outlander
What an unfortunate time to have stopped drinking


And yet when I returned from Mercadona my parents (my holy PARENTS) scolded me shouting: why didn't you buy alcohol and only this shit? *pointing out to rye bread*
BC March 27, 2024 at 15:42 #891440
Quoting frank
pay them $10


Currently 16.89. It's a reasonably good deal; you can cancel anytime.
BC March 27, 2024 at 15:57 #891445
I watched a pretty good 90 minute show on Netflix yesterday -- Leaving the World Behind -- something like that. It was full of mostly unrealized menace. An oil tanker plowed into a beach on Long Island. A lot of deer gathered around a house, silently staring at the humans. Radio, TV, telephones, & the Internet were all down, but oddly there was still electricity. Odd events happened. A plane dropped undecipherable messages on orange paper. Strange noises caused this teenager's teeth to fall out. Self-driving cars caused road blockages by committing automotive hari-kari.

In the end there were nuclear explosions (not very convincing) over Manhattan.

Take away: It was just like the containership plowing into the bridge in Baltimore. You've seen the show, no need to buy a ticket.

jorndoe March 27, 2024 at 22:42 #891560
Essay might be interesting to some ...

Nature Creates Increasingly Complex Systems
[sup]— J X Mason · Jun 16, 2018[/sup]

frank March 28, 2024 at 03:16 #891615
Quoting BC
Currently 16.89. It's a reasonably good deal; you can cancel anytime.


I got my subscription to watch the second season of Sweet Home. They got me!
Hanover March 28, 2024 at 11:58 #891697
I keep moving the antenna around, but I can't get Netflix to come in.
Deleted user March 28, 2024 at 12:00 #891698
Reply to Hanover Try moving it a bit closer to the window.
Baden March 28, 2024 at 12:05 #891700
Excuse me, well *ahem* I have been thinking and, er, that is to say, mulling over some of the comments here and, ah, yes, so suppose, just suppose Bob Hope were a hamster *bear with me*, ah, the point being. would that not, ah, *burp* all things considered, take the, shall we say, negative edge off his character? And, ah, excuse me while I develop this... if we, that is to say, extend this line of, ah, reasoning, so to speak, suppose, well it may sound odd, but so be it, *fart* ah, excuse me, well, as I was saying... strange as it may sound on first reading, suppose that, to merely theorize, one might say if.. well , if "everyone" (scare quotes *chuckle*) *ahem* if everyone were a hamster *burp*, yes I said it, just suppose, the point being, would not the world... ah, just think about it, be a better place? *burp* *ahem* *fart*... excuse me.

(Please see schematic below for further theoretical elucidation).

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Baden March 28, 2024 at 12:08 #891703
(Excerpted from Ch 3 of my recent book, "A Hamster's Hope". Thank you.)
javi2541997 March 28, 2024 at 12:46 #891715
Quoting Baden
(Excerpted from Ch 3 of my recent book, "A Hamster's Hope". Thank you.)


Quoting Baden
(Please see schematic below for further theoretical elucidation).


Excellent. Thank you for sharing it with us. Well, I can't add anything but how humanity could be a better place without people. Until I didn't take part in your activity, I wasn't aware of the kindness of these rodents... I feel bad... I never considered it a reliable species... but now my eyes and heart are opened and my transformation into a hamster was worthwhile.
Hanover March 28, 2024 at 12:50 #891718
Reply to Baden I can't read your handwriting. Is the group of people on the left "Hannity," as in Sean Hannity from Fox News? Why is he represented by a group of four stickmen, and what caused the group of Hannity to arrive on scene here?

How does this relate to the scribbles on @javi2541997's Euro and the shipwreck in Balitmore?
Baden March 28, 2024 at 13:08 #891724
Reply to javi2541997

We hamsters shall inherit the earth. :heart:

Reply to Hanover

Hannity, indeed, another fine rodent. Note the hamsterish prose and chubby cheeks.

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javi2541997 March 28, 2024 at 13:24 #891728
Quoting Hanover
How does this relate to the scribbles on javi2541997's Euro and the shipwreck in Balitmore?


Because Jamalbatross and Wolfgang (the hamster) are behind that!
wonderer1 March 28, 2024 at 13:28 #891729
Quoting javi2541997
Well, I can't add anything but how humanity could be a better place without people.


Knowing of your interest in improving your English writing skills, I thought I should point out that you could more concisely write, "Hamsteranity could be better."

An important feature of hamsteranity is that mother hamsters under stress eat their babies. So hamsteranity would never reach humanity's stressful level of overpopulation.
javi2541997 March 28, 2024 at 13:56 #891736
Quoting wonderer1
Knowing of your interest in improving your English writing skills, I thought I should point out that you could more concisely write, "Hamsteranity could be better."


Thanks for the feedback, wonderer1. :up:

I am interested in my writing skills, but I am aware that I write very badly. Wait a minute... how would Javi be if I could write English perfectly like a native?

If one day I finally reach a better level of grammar, folks would say: this is not Javi! Chat GPT kidnapped him!
Hanover March 28, 2024 at 15:32 #891772
Quoting Baden
Hannity, indeed, another fine rodent. Note the hamsterish prose and chubby cheeks.


He looks to be around 12 years old in that photo and he already spoke so eloquently of the fleeting joys of success and the demands of hard work. I've not paid much attention to him in the past, but now I will listen only to him. And you. Because you're a talking hamster.
jorndoe March 28, 2024 at 21:31 #891824
$65US for a small shield? :)

Invisibility Shield (Mar 2022)

Not exactly perfect, but kind of neat.

Deleted user March 28, 2024 at 21:41 #891827
Quoting javi2541997
Chat GPT kidnapped him!


Funnily, I got that accusation in the story I submitted for the contest.
Banno March 29, 2024 at 01:43 #891872
Don't forget, Good Friday is a Holy Day of Obligation.

You are obligated to watch Life of Brian.
Moliere March 29, 2024 at 02:54 #891880
Banno March 29, 2024 at 02:57 #891882
Reply to Moliere

How shall we fuck off, oh Lord?
Moliere March 29, 2024 at 03:00 #891883
Reply to Banno :D

Probably my fave of theirs.
javi2541997 March 29, 2024 at 06:53 #891900
Quoting Deleted user
Funnily, I got that accusation in the story I submitted for the contest.


Wow! Sometimes we don't know where the criticism could come from... you write English pretty well. I mean, you are non-native like me, but it is obvious that your level is higher than mine.
javi2541997 March 29, 2024 at 06:54 #891901
Quoting Banno
Don't forget, Good Friday is a Holy Day of Obligation.

You are obligated to watch Life of Brian.


Cool.

Life of Brian is not my cup of tea, Banno. But I will watch it again. Why not?

Did you read or see The Last Temptation? It is worthwhile.
bongo fury March 29, 2024 at 10:40 #891916
Aaaarrgh! People are using ChatGPT as a source!

We're all doomed.

Deleted user March 29, 2024 at 11:09 #891928
Reply to javi2541997 I mean my story was accused of being written by ChatGPT, likely because the style was too clean and sanitised if I had to guess.
Hanover March 29, 2024 at 12:20 #891950


The only way I can get this song out of my head that has been repeating over and over is to post it here. Now it is yours.
Baden March 29, 2024 at 13:58 #891975
Reply to Hanover

Interesting points, and on the whole I agree that for my next book, the subject of Barbara Streisand's journey to hamsterhood should be de-emphasized in favour of Sean's. In our previous extensive discussions on the topic of our chubby cheeked friend, I must confess I omitted a few salacious details, which, well *chuckle* I can hardly resist revealing *burp*. You see, I once shared a cage with the naughty hamsterlet Sean once was and he had the objectionable habit of--well, it's all rather amusing in hindsight--the thing is he used to *chuckle* consume his own pellets... faeces that is, which in itself is no... I mean who hasn't from time to time? But the reason *ahem* *chuckle* *burp* he did this was to make himself physically sick with the purpose of vomiting into the food bowl so no-one else would eat the food but him! He has always had a stalwart constitution the greedy scoundrel haha! Well, it took several starvations (Dwight Eisenhower and Warren Beatty among them) for us to cotton onto his little trick and put an end to it. Barbara and I were *chuckle* *fart* the only survivors of the cage, in fact--along with Sean of course!--the little rascal *chuckle*.
Baden March 29, 2024 at 14:03 #891977
Reply to Hanover

Thank you too, but the story of the rodentification of Led Zeppelin would take several volumes and most likely a number of decades to complete. Oh, the times we had! *chuckle* *fart* *burp* *vomit* hehe.
Noble Dust March 29, 2024 at 16:22 #892017
Reply to Hanover

You're welcome.
Hanover March 29, 2024 at 17:47 #892047
Quoting Baden
Thank you too, but the story of the rodentification of Led Zeppelin would take several volumes and most likely a number of decades to complete. Oh, the times we had! *chuckle* *fart* *burp* *vomit* hehe.


So let me see if I follow what's going on. You own a couple of hamsters and you gave them nonsense names, probably so you could have something to talk about when people asked you why you bought rats for your house, and then that resulted in your making stories up about them, ranging from Shakespeare to Hannity, although the latter one from my inability to read your writing, and you actually morphed into a hamster at some point, and now you talk to me as if a hamster and that is accomplished through reference to bodily functions and sounds?

Sometimes it helps to just say what is going on in order to give us a chance to self-assess.
Hanover March 29, 2024 at 19:21 #892073
Quoting Noble Dust
You're welcome.


That is so kind of you. All I can say is that if the sun refused to shine, I would still be loving you. When mountains crumble to the sea, there will still be you and me.
Hanover March 29, 2024 at 19:27 #892075
Quoting Deleted user
Try moving it a bit closer to the window.


It fell out the window and landed on the mailman. I'm now trying to watch Netflix on a broken TV on a dead mailman. It was better when it was static. Barely.
Deleted user March 29, 2024 at 20:07 #892086
Reply to Hanover That is great. If you don't enjoy the show, you can read your neighbours' mail instead.
I recommend you pick the letters before the corpse starts rotting.
Tom Storm March 29, 2024 at 23:08 #892139
Quoting javi2541997
Life of Brian is not my cup of tea, Banno. But I will watch it again. Why not?

Did you read or see The Last Temptation? It is worthwhile.


Interesting, can we compare the two? Kazantzakis is serious philosophy. Python is satire - which points to its own seriousness. If it helps, I grew up around Monty Python and they never much appealed to me. Small doses ok.

I wonder it Scorsese took a Greek Orthodox influenced account of Jesus and made it Catholic. Is this Jesus just another instantiation of Travis Bickle? Discuss.
Deleted user March 29, 2024 at 23:13 #892142
I hate how jstor logs you out every 30 minutes. I hate it.
Baden March 30, 2024 at 07:55 #892254
Reply to Hanover

Good points. I agree with your analysis actually. So, yes, obviously I'm not a hamster and Wolfgang is not human or half-human or whatever other madness he was claiming but 100% a hamster who unfortunately got access to my account here and, well, I've only read the recent stuff but there are clear inaccuracies there. I mean, it's admittedly plausible that Sean Hannity eats his own shit etc (I don't know the guy personally) but if you look closely at Wolfgang’s statements, stuff doesn't add up. I mean he says he shared a cage with Warren Beatty who died of starvation through Hannity’s shit-eating food hogging tactics. But, get this, [I] Beatty is still alive[/i]. I mean he's not even that old. Not like e.g. Bing Crosby. So, yes, Wolfgang kind of discredited himself there and me in the process, but anyway, to clarify everything's back to normal now. I am not a hamster and Wolfgang is not human. That's the main thing to keep in mind. Thank you.

If you could just spare a few raisins. Wolfgang ate all mine. :sad:
Banno March 30, 2024 at 22:30 #892419
Happy Sugarfest, all. May your cocoa be ethically sourced.
javi2541997 March 31, 2024 at 04:19 #892505
I have my alarm clock set up for 05:30 every morning. But, just in case, I also set it up to 05:50 in the case the first alarm doesn't sound.

Well, that is what happened this morning and I can't understand why. My alarm didn't sound at 05:30 but 05:50. I am lucky that I am a foresightful man, but what would happen if I didn't set it up twice? Maybe I would still have slept in my bed right now...

By the way, the last day of the months which have 31 days tend to be twisted and cursed...
Outlander March 31, 2024 at 04:41 #892513
Reply to Banno

Language, Banno, language! There are children present.
Metaphysician Undercover March 31, 2024 at 10:42 #892542
Quoting javi2541997
My alarm didn't sound at 05:30 but 05:50.


If you are like me, then whatever you're worried about, you will make happen by being overly cautious and attentive to specific things which you believe could cause what you're worried about to happen, so much so, that you will inadvertently do something else, which you don't recognize will actually cause what you're worried about to happen. You don't notice, because you're too preoccupied by the other things which you believe could cause it to happen. So, it's likely that setting your alarm to 5:50 actually negated the 5:30 setting or something like that, and you didn't realize it. Then you actually caused the first alarm not to sound by being too worried about the possibility that it might not sound.

By the way, if you haven't come to understand this yet, life itself is twisted and cursed.
Hanover April 01, 2024 at 02:21 #892764
Quoting javi2541997
My alarm didn't sound at 05:30 but 05:50.


Could be an AM/PM error.

My father always used a wind up alarm clock in fear of a late night power outage. I tried that, but the ticking kept me up, eliminating the need for the alarm.

When I was young, I put my alarm clock across the room so I'd have to get up and assure myself I wouldn't go back to sleep.

I now rely on anxiety to awake me, which is fail proof. The cat too. She knows when it's breakfast time.
Noble Dust April 01, 2024 at 03:13 #892767
Vanilla ice cream gets a bad rap.
javi2541997 April 01, 2024 at 05:26 #892780
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover Reply to Hanover The alarm clock worked perfectly this morning, mates! Good morning. I wish you a beautiful start to the gorgeous month of April. :flower: :sparkle: :party:
Deleted user April 01, 2024 at 08:06 #892801
Quoting javi2541997
but it is obvious that your level is higher than mine


Also, I would not take that as being from my capacity more than it is from my opportunities. I have lived, dated, studied, and worked in English at different points of my life, so I would have to actively try for my English not to be good. Whatever level your English is, I have no trouble understanding anything you say, which for me is enough. But then take this thread https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/14597/what-can-i-know-with-100-certainty , where we go as far as using logical symbols, and yet we don't understand each other.
javi2541997 April 01, 2024 at 08:27 #892805
Quoting Deleted user
Whatever level your English is, I have no trouble understanding anything you say, which for me is enough. But then take this thread


Obligado, friend.

Quoting Deleted user
But then take this thread https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/14597/what-can-i-know-with-100-certainty , where we go as far as using logical symbols, and yet we don't understand each other.


Those threads are very interesting, but whenever I want to dive into them, it already has 10 pages of comments or even more... and whatever I have been thinking about posting would not be as substantial as the comments of others users.
Deleted user April 01, 2024 at 08:28 #892806
Quoting javi2541997
whenever I want to dive into them


Be glad that the wish has passed.
Banno April 01, 2024 at 22:58 #893001
Bit of a rash of theism in the threads... as happens every now and then.

What brings these episodes on?

Is it the weather? The Economy? News of war and famine?
Metaphysician Undercover April 01, 2024 at 23:23 #893007
Reply to Banno
The solar equinox has significant religious import.
AmadeusD April 02, 2024 at 00:58 #893042
Reply to Banno Genuinely think it's the low-hanging fruit. It's always going go through phases of people wanting the easier meat.
Banno April 02, 2024 at 01:17 #893046
Quoting AmadeusD
...phases...


Saw what you did there... User image
Metaphysician Undercover April 02, 2024 at 11:34 #893129
Hear, Hear!! The world will end in six days!

https://science.nasa.gov/eclipses/future-eclipses/eclipse-2024/
javi2541997 April 02, 2024 at 12:27 #893150
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Hear, Hear!! The world will end in six days!


Those cool things never happen here... :confused:
BC April 03, 2024 at 03:38 #893369
Quoting javi2541997
Those cool things never happen here...


Not true. There will be total eclipses of the sun visible in Spain in 2026, 2027, and 2057.

javi2541997 April 03, 2024 at 05:23 #893391
Quoting BC
Not true. There will be total eclipses of the sun visible in Spain in 2026, 2027, and 2057.


¡Viva!

I don't know where I will be in 2026. It seems it is closer, only two years. But life is constantly changing...
Hanover April 03, 2024 at 20:02 #893602
I saw this documentary on a total eclipse:

wonderer1 April 03, 2024 at 20:13 #893604
Quoting Hanover
I saw this documentary on a total eclipse:


She wasn't wearing eclipse glasses! :scream:

I just got mine today. The path of totality is about an hour from where I live, and it's looking like there might be clear skies here on the day. (A rarity here in April.)
Metaphysician Undercover April 04, 2024 at 11:02 #893773
Imagine a herd of millions of human beings wearing welding masks, stumbling along, while staring at the sky, following the path of total lunacy. The end is nigh!
wonderer1 April 04, 2024 at 11:20 #893776
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Imagine a herd of millions of human beings wearing welding masks, stumbling along, while staring at the sky, following the path of total lunacy. The end is nigh!


Just a warning for lunatics, best to stay away from Indiana:

April 8 Severe Weather Climo (1950-2023)

Central Indiana has observed severe weather on 7 different occasions on April 8 since 1950:

Severe Weather on April 8
Year Type of Severe Weather Timing
1965 Tornado, Hail, Damaging Winds During and After Time of 2024 Eclipse
1980 Tornado, Hail, Damaging Winds During Time of 2024 Eclipse
1995 Hail, Damaging Winds During and After Time of 2024 Eclipse
1998 Hail, Damaging Winds, Funnel Cloud After Time of 2024 Eclipse
2000 Flooding/Flash Flooding Before Time of 2024 Eclipse
2015 Hail, Damaging Winds, Flash Flooding Before and During Time of 2024 Eclipse
2020 Tornado, Hail, Damaging Winds After Time of 2024 Eclipse
Hanover April 04, 2024 at 11:57 #893786
Quoting wonderer1
Severe Weather on April 8
Year Type of Severe Weather Timing
1965 Tornado, Hail, Damaging Winds During and After Time of 2024 Eclipse
1980 Tornado, Hail, Damaging Winds During Time of 2024 Eclipse
1995 Hail, Damaging Winds During and After Time of 2024 Eclipse
1998 Hail, Damaging Winds, Funnel Cloud After Time of 2024 Eclipse
2000 Flooding/Flash Flooding Before Time of 2024 Eclipse
2015 Hail, Damaging Winds, Flash Flooding Before and During Time of 2024 Eclipse
2020 Tornado, Hail, Damaging Winds After Time of 2024 Eclipse


The part I don't fully understand is how all these tornadoes over the past approximately 50 years all occurred during and after the time of the 2024 eclipse. How did the 1965 tornado occur at the same time as the eclipse that is going to happen next week?
wonderer1 April 04, 2024 at 12:09 #893797
Reply to Hanover

You just have no idea how weird things are in Indiana.
wonderer1 April 04, 2024 at 12:45 #893811
BTW, if Purdue wins the NCAA championship next Monday, I'm going to credit the eclipse.
Hanover April 04, 2024 at 12:51 #893813
I sometimes get Nebraska and Indiana confused in my head. I think they're sort of up and to the left of where I live, but not so far left as to be near the crazies.
wonderer1 April 04, 2024 at 13:05 #893816
A sophisticated observer can looks at the corn fields, in order to distinguish between Nebraska and Indiana.
Metaphysician Undercover April 04, 2024 at 16:51 #893916
Quoting Hanover
I think they're sort of up...


If Nebraska and Indiana are up to you, I don't even want to think about how down you are.
Metaphysician Undercover April 04, 2024 at 16:52 #893917
The Shoutbox is going south.
Hanover April 04, 2024 at 17:02 #893919
I was troubled by my disheveled shoes. The suede was hard to keep up, but I found a suede cleaning spray and some protective spray as well, and I must say they now look quite smart indeed.

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Hanover April 04, 2024 at 17:05 #893920
Would it be so much to ask everyone to provide shoe pics? I like to put a foot with a name.
jorndoe April 04, 2024 at 21:56 #893971
Bigger brains?

Trends in Intracranial and Cerebral Volumes of Framingham Heart Study Participants Born 1930 to 1970
[sup]— Charles DeCarli, Pauline Maillard, Matthew P Pase et al · JAMA Neurology · Mar 25, 2024[/sup]

Will the latest decades break the trend? :D

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Outlander April 05, 2024 at 06:36 #894098
Reply to jorndoe

I wonder, if perhaps overall size of the participants could be a factor or some other variable such as access to or prevalence of research facilities (suggesting some other possible difference between the eventual selected participants, including methodology in selection, from 1930 to 1970? Surely much has changed socially in basically every measurable way in the near-half century span from a time when most people kept perishables chilled by iceboxes versus landing a spacecraft on another planetary body? :chin:
BC April 05, 2024 at 06:52 #894100
Reply to jorndoe Measurements seem to be on an upward trend, except for cortical thickness. What implications does that have?
wonderer1 April 05, 2024 at 08:35 #894129
Quoting BC
Measurements seem to be on an upward trend, except for cortical thickness. What implications does that have?


Human life is getting more complex, and our cortexes are getting spread thin as our brains try to keep up.

That's my hypothesis, and I'll bet you a case of wine that I'll be proven right in 25 years. (Of course there is the risk that by that time our cortexes will have popped like overly inflated balloons.)
Deleted user April 05, 2024 at 09:00 #894137
Quoting wonderer1
Of course there is the risk that by that time our cortexes will have popped like overly inflated balloons


I think there is a dog breed that does exactly that.
Deleted user April 05, 2024 at 09:01 #894138
Yep, King Charles Spaniel.
Studies have estimated that more than 90% of all Cavaliers have a malformation that squeezes their brain through the foramen magnum, the hole at the back of the skull.

Cartoonish, which would make it funny if it weren't cruel and sad.
jorndoe April 05, 2024 at 13:20 #894202
Reply to Outlander Reply to BC

As to causes/explanations, maybe people just generally live healthier, or train/use the brain more, who knows.

I doubt it means better/smarter. Heck, bad/good idiotic/smart could all be magnified. (I have evidence :wink:.)

Unexpected, to me (personally) anyway.

jorndoe April 05, 2024 at 17:33 #894252
Surviving the NYC Subway (Paul Olima · Nov 4, 2023 · 1m:5s) :D

BC April 05, 2024 at 20:21 #894284
Reply to jorndoe New tools (like fMRI), new studies (like the microbiome), and so on illuminate the previously unknown or vaguely known. New studies give people new reasons to feel happy, sad, anxious, secure, smart, stupid, confused...

Imagine how the ordinary dog feels every time a program about that damned over-achieving border Collie Chaser is on -- again: Resentment, jealousy, anguish, indifference, hatred, fear, loathing... "Hey, if you cheapskates had given me 1000 toys to play with, instead of the 2 toys I got in my whole life, maybe I would have been brilliant too!!!"
Jamal April 05, 2024 at 21:20 #894299
Reply to BC :yawn:
javi2541997 April 06, 2024 at 12:07 #894435
I accidentally broke two cups of wine during the meal.

My family, who are very surreptitious, started to gaze at me with a sense of both worry and concern...

The first time I broke the cup my father shouted: JAVIER!!!

But, when I broke the second cup, I felt a cold and painful silence on the table... they said to their inner themselves: oh yes, there is our cursed member of the family.

I am cursed today!
BC April 06, 2024 at 20:50 #894515
Reply to javi2541997 There is a passage late in Bernstein's Mass where the priest drops the glass goblet of wine. The soloist sings about "how easily things get broken".

A glass of wine is just a thing. Things get broken. They are not important.

How did the glass get broken? Tipped over? Dropped on the floor? Dramatically thrown into the fire place?

I have lifted the curse.
Deleted user April 06, 2024 at 23:33 #894554
Quoting Noble Dust
Vanilla ice cream gets a bad rap.


From whom? "People" who like chocolate ice cream instead? Don't cast pearls onto the swine.
Baden April 07, 2024 at 04:01 #894578
Reply to javi2541997

The glass is broken but your integrity is intact. This is not something you need be ashamed of.

javi2541997 April 07, 2024 at 04:24 #894584
Quoting BC
How did the glass get broken? Tipped over? Dropped on the floor? Dramatically thrown into the fire place?


They both got tipped over. The first cup was in the sink, waiting to be filled, and then my clumsy body pushed it accidentally. The second cup was already filled on the table, but then my grandmother asked me to go for some napkins. When I stood up, I rubbed the cup with my elbow, and it tipped over...
Rather than feeling cursed, I felt idle.

javi2541997 April 07, 2024 at 04:29 #894585
Quoting Baden
The glass is broken but your integrity is intact. This is not something you need be ashamed of.


Thank you, Baden. :heart:

It is something I always try to hold. My integrity intact. It will not happen again if we use plastic glasses.
Hanover April 07, 2024 at 04:43 #894588
Quoting Baden
The glass is broken but your integrity is intact. This is not something you need be ashamed of.


Actually, the rule is that you are not to cry over spilled milk. Wine is a different matter.
BC April 07, 2024 at 04:47 #894590
Reply to Deleted user It's lipstick on swine[/u], pearls before swine.

BC April 07, 2024 at 04:50 #894591
Reply to javi2541997 Wine glasses are a classic case of bad engineering -- narrow base, top heavy, fragile. Who ever designed the wine glass should be taken out and shot.
javi2541997 April 07, 2024 at 05:43 #894596
Quoting BC
Wine glasses are a classic case of bad engineering -- narrow base, top heavy, fragile. Who ever designed the wine glass should be taken out and shot.


Exactly! It is outrageous how fragile the wine cups are! It can be broken with a blow of the air!
Jamal April 07, 2024 at 05:44 #894597
Reply to BC

The base is wide, the stem is narrow.
javi2541997 April 07, 2024 at 05:46 #894598
Quoting Hanover
Actually, the rule is that you are not to cry over spilled milk. Wine is a different matter.


Actually, I cried on the table and in the presence of the rest of my family members. But I cried because of being idle and stupid. I didn't make a distinction on the liquid poured over the place. I would cry again if I tipped over a can of Pepsi...
Outlander April 07, 2024 at 08:34 #894623
Quoting BC
Wine glasses are a classic case of bad engineering -- narrow base, top heavy, fragile. Who ever designed the wine glass should be taken out and shot.


I'd actually argue it's a genius safety mechanism to alert the consumer when one has consumed more than their fair share of "the creature", as it were.
Deleted user April 07, 2024 at 08:34 #894624
Reply to BC I like the image that someone is throwing pearls at pigs. I don't condone animal cruelty however.
Tom Storm April 07, 2024 at 08:57 #894626
Quoting BC
Wine glasses are a classic case of bad engineering -- narrow base, top heavy, fragile. Who ever designed the wine glass should be taken out and shot.


Never thought about it before. I'm not sure I have ever owned wine glasses, perhaps back in the early 1990's, I don't recall.
Jamal April 07, 2024 at 10:20 #894639
I like wine glasses because I can grip the glass without smearing it with my greasy fingers, and they’re good for connoisseurs who want to keep the wine below a certain temperature. But I also like the Duralex Picardie tumbler for wine:

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Hanover April 07, 2024 at 13:01 #894646
This is my go to. It's low profile wide base makes it virtually tip proof.

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In fact, when crossing the North Sea with 200 foot swells, my ship tossed about like a rag doll in the blackest of nights, where we lost 20 men to Davy Jones' beckoning locker, this was my vessel. Ah, that night was the roughest, but when the morning sun raised its warmth, the waters now calmed, but my hammock still swinging, there she sat at my bedside. She was still filled with the sweetest of port and ready to drink. She taught me a lesson with her sea legs most stable, this storm just another night among a life of so many.

I took of her base, holding most tightly, not wanting to now spill it after all it had proved. I bowed now just slightly, and raised it most highly, respectfully making a toast to those lost and no doubt departed. I then made my offering by slinging it forward, just o'er the railing, to offer the souls at the cold eerie bottom one final sip of this sweetness of life. But the wine would not part, stubbornly holding, clinging so tightly, and the glass also melding and forming to my grip trying to open.

With the toast still pending and no one imbibing, I placed this fine chalice to my lips still trembling, to take me a sip a sip most demanding. The sweet nectar relasing, now dancing within me, coating and drenching to the depths of my soul. The strength of the gods then came up upon me, followed by a halo emitting, emitting and shining, and swirling now above me.

The locks of my hair now suddenly growing, cascading down downward just past my shoulders. My dirty garb now falling, falling right off from me, a long robe now draping, draping about me.

This Holy Grail now telling me ever so humbly, no need to worry, no need to bother, no need to worry or bother with those whose greatest of losses come from the glasses, that break ever so freely, ever so weakly, and spill forth the wine onto the floor of the judging.

javi2541997 April 07, 2024 at 13:48 #894653
Well, I noticed some folks lack basic knowledge about glasses, cups, cutlery and glassware. It is important to correctly choose the glassy location where the liquid must rest (even though you are clumsy - like me - and tip the glass over and broke it usually).

Only true masters and administrators of websites drink their tea, water, wine, whisky, anise, etc from this:

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frank April 07, 2024 at 13:49 #894654
Quoting javi2541997
I am cursed today!


Is the English version of your name Harvey?
javi2541997 April 07, 2024 at 15:45 #894668
Reply to frank It sounds weirdly similar. :lol:
Phonetics at its best...
Noble Dust April 07, 2024 at 16:02 #894670
Quoting Baden
The glass is broken but your integrity is intact. This is not something you need be ashamed of.


This reads to me like an I Ching hexagram, or some such similar prognosis via divination, palm reading, etc.

I've been sleeping in a bit too late recently, and feel guilt for my sloth and laziness. I've generally been rather lazy at my job as well. Is my behavior justified, or am I in for a rude kick in the pants, oh Baden?
Metaphysician Undercover April 07, 2024 at 16:17 #894673
Quoting javi2541997
Only true masters and administrators of websites drink their tea, water, wine, whisky, anise, etc from this:


Looks like a miniature version of the yard glass:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yard_of_ale

javi2541997 April 07, 2024 at 17:00 #894679
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Looks like a miniature version of the yard glass:


A yard of ale or yard glass is a very tall beer glass used for drinking around 2+1?2 imperial pints (1.4 L) of beer, depending upon the diameter.

1.4 litres! Jesus! No doubt that glass would fall off my slippery hands.
BC April 07, 2024 at 18:39 #894692
Note: Philosophy majors were too destitute to show up on the list at all. I'm thankful I didn't go in for art history -- I'd be on skid row for sure.

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Metaphysician Undercover April 07, 2024 at 18:58 #894693
Quoting javi2541997
1.4 litres! Jesus! No doubt that glass would fall off my slippery hands.


We never actually filled the yard, we'd just put a pint or two in the bottom, and "sip" it. The critical feature is that it's a yard long, so the beer from the bottom has to flow down that long neck to get to your mouth. Because of the way that gravity works over time, the beer is flowing so fast after traveling that yard, that it's in your stomach by the time you feel it in your mouth. That makes a pretty serious "sip".
Sir2u April 07, 2024 at 21:05 #894714
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
We never actually filled the yard, we'd just put a pint or two in the bottom, and "sip" it.


We used to have beer bucket contests, you paid the price of the 8 pints to enter and got a double refund if you finished first. I there were plenty of people participating, second place got a refund.
What most people never figured out was the preparation for the event was more important than the speed you drank at. Eight to 10 cups of coffee and plenty of salty biscuits leading up to it and only one pint before the event. I participated in quiet a few and only ever lost to a charming young lady who appeared to have hollow legs.
AmadeusD April 08, 2024 at 00:36 #894789
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover While this tradition is slowly dying off (luckily) it has, for about 30 years, been a rite of passage for 21-Year-Olds to drink an entire Yard Glass here in NZ. It has always made me very uncomfortable, even during my years as a serious problem drinker.
javi2541997 April 08, 2024 at 04:12 #894809
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
so the beer from the bottom has to flow down that long neck to get to your mouth. Because of the way that gravity works over time, the beer is flowing so fast after traveling that yard, that it's in your stomach by the time you feel it in your mouth. That makes a pretty serious "sip".


Amazing and stunning experience, indeed. I wonder if the use of a bib is needed. I guess when the beer has to flow down to your mouth it splashes a lot, or you (we) can experience the risk of pouring the beer over us.
Absolutely, this is a serious sip. When I tall about drinking and glasses I can only be serious.

Where do you drink your coffee every morning? In a beautiful porcelain cup from China, right?
Baden April 08, 2024 at 12:15 #894860
Quoting Noble Dust
This reads to me like an I Ching hexagram, or some such similar prognosis via divination, palm reading, etc.


Just hamster talk.

Quoting Noble Dust
I've been sleeping in a bit too late recently, and feel guilt for my sloth and laziness. I've generally been rather lazy at my job as well. Is my behavior justified, or am I in for a rude kick in the pants, oh Baden?


It seems that you are kicking your job in the pants. Is that because it is wearing your pants, oh Noble?
Hanover April 08, 2024 at 15:28 #894890
Reply to BCI looked up the stats, and it showed a 3.8% overall unemployment rate in the US, but a 4.8% unemployment rate for college grads. The oddness of this stat is due to the fact that college grad unemployment rates include recent grads who have yet to find a job. The stats show that 52% of college grads are unemployed 1 year after graduating. That figure has to be assessed against how many are actively looking and not just slow walking their entry into the workforce.

The more interesting stat would be to see the figures after 5 year intervals. I'd find it hard to believe art history majors are unemployed 5 years out at 8% when the general population is at 3.8%. The reason I find that hard to believe is that I typically go at lunch 2 to 3 times a week to my local art history firm to ask the on call art historian the history of this or that piece. Couldn't live without them.
BC April 08, 2024 at 18:37 #894926
Quoting javi2541997
Where do you drink your coffee every morning? In a beautiful porcelain cup from China, right?


Sadly, China no longer manufactures those room-sized porcelain cups where one could rest on an over-stuffed sofa while taking one's morning coffee surrounded by blue and gold dragon figures devouring maidens. For this tragic loss we can thank Mao Zedong. Also, smaller kitchens. Also the collapse of the over-stuffed sofa industry during the the Y2K and dot-com panics of late 1999.

Those were the good old days.
javi2541997 April 08, 2024 at 19:08 #894930
Reply to BC While you probably wrote your reply to my comment, I was watching my favorite program of TVE (the Spanish version of RTÉ in Ireland or the BBC in the UK). It is called Here The Earth! (Aquí la tierra) and they were talking about Chinese oranges, cups and cutlery. I love these coincidences.
The program usually ends with questions about the history of Spain and the host asked: What is the province with the most castles in it? I knew it was Jaén, but it was funny how the interviewees replied with cities of Castilla endlessly, because Jaen was a city of Castilla when the latter was a kingdom and Andalusia belonged to the Arabs!
BC April 08, 2024 at 19:23 #894933
Quoting Hanover
The stats show that 52% of college grads are unemployed 1 year after graduating. That figure has to be assessed against how many are actively looking and not just slow walking their entry into the workforce.

The more interesting stat would be to see the figures after 5 year intervals. I'd find it hard to believe art history majors are unemployed 5 years out at 8% when the general population is at 3.8%.


From a macro-perspective on college education, I think there is a fairly large discontinuity between what colleges advertise, what prospective students expect as benefits for BAs, and what actually happens.

Colleges claim that a bachelor's education is intellectually useful. I thought that majoring in English Literature would be beneficial to me. Prospective employers sifted out applicants who had not completed college. So, it all worked out positively?

The degree turned out to be very useful. That part was accurately represented. Less well represented was the relationship of coursework to job skills and performance. Reading Chaucer in Middle English didn't help me relate to very disadvantaged students. Learning to study boring material was helpful in tutoring college students. Neither English literature nor history classes helped me devise outreach strategies for HIV prevention.

If I had it to do over, I would still go to college; I would still major in a English Lit; I wouldn't expect practical application in the short run.
Tom Storm April 08, 2024 at 20:10 #894949
Quoting Jamal
But I also like the Duralex Picardie tumbler for wine:


They're the only glasses I own or use - whether it's coffee or water.
BC April 08, 2024 at 20:19 #894952
Reply to javi2541997 As you observed, it is surprising how two people separated by thousands of miles, age, and background may both be thinking tangentially to everything else, yet the tangents cross.
BC April 08, 2024 at 23:03 #894995
The good old days... double decker street cars

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Metaphysician Undercover April 09, 2024 at 00:08 #895014
Quoting BC
If I had it to do over, I would still go to college; I would still major in a English Lit; I wouldn't expect practical application in the short run.


If I could do it all over, I would still major in philosophy. But, I never expected practical application. Why did I do it? So I could feel right at home at TPF. See, I have an incredible capacity to predict the future, right up there Thales who supposedly predicted the solar eclipse of 585 BC. With a predictive capacity like that, there's no need to do it all over.
Noble Dust April 09, 2024 at 01:18 #895027
Reply to Baden

I was hoping for more "The sloth looks north but catches it's foot on a vine. No blame if the perch is maintained."
javi2541997 April 09, 2024 at 04:04 #895057
Quoting BC
The good old days... double decker street cars


Double decker buses! I think I never been in of those. There are some around the city but it is just a vehicle for tourists. Even, when I was in London I think didn't take the classic red double decker either.

Well folks, how was your eclipse experience yesterday?
L'éléphant April 09, 2024 at 04:12 #895060
Quoting BC
Philosophy majors were too destitute to show up on the list at all. I'm thankful I didn't go in for art history -- I'd be on skid row for sure.

You use those majors to increase intelligence, not the funds in your bank account. Then, get into something that pays well. You are less likely to suffer from dementia.
jorndoe April 09, 2024 at 04:12 #895061
Some speak of cultural pendulums swinging throughout history.

Inglehart and Welzel tried to quantify cultural changes since the 1990s in two dimensions: survival/tribalism versus self-expression/individualism (x-axis), and traditional versus secular/rational (y-axis). These are then plotted on a per-country basis, and trends compared over time.

? Inglehart–Welzel cultural map of the world (Wikipedia)
? Western values are steadily diverging from the rest of the world’s (The Economist · Aug 3, 2023)
? Inglehart Welzel cultural map (google search)

Not sure what can be learned, though some may find it interesting.

javi2541997 April 09, 2024 at 06:09 #895075
Quoting L'éléphant
You use those majors to increase intelligence, not the funds in your bank account.


I think the issue here is finding who to use to increase both intelligence and the funds of my bank.
... A logician?
Tom Storm April 09, 2024 at 09:55 #895095
Reply to javi2541997 A brain surgeon.
javi2541997 April 09, 2024 at 10:38 #895101
Reply to Tom Storm :lol:

Good one, Tom. That is a very nice option.
Brain surgeons! How could I forget these professionals?
Deleted user April 09, 2024 at 11:53 #895111
Quoting jorndoe
Not sure what can be learned, though some may find it interesting.


Hardly anything. That Germany and Switzerland are somehow closer to Finland than to Austria is obviously wrong by pretty much every metric. Everyone can draw bubbles around world regions and give titles to them based on feelings, but no bubble drawn will ever be satisfactory. That some people had a Wik*pedia page written about their map does not make it any more legitimate.
Hanover April 09, 2024 at 15:38 #895146
Fred safely enjoying the eclipse.

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wonderer1 April 09, 2024 at 16:13 #895148
Quoting javi2541997
Well folks, how was your eclipse experience yesterday?


It was a great adventure! We headed east and south on rural highways avoiding anything which could rightly be called a city while scanning the skies for cloud cover. Despite our intention of avoiding cities, we ended up in Union City Indiana, with only high thin clouds.

We were close to the line of maximum totality duration, so we were able to look at the glowing ring in the dark sky for four minutes without eclipse glasses, and even passing around binoculars. The view through the binoculars was quite impressive despite the imperfect clarity of the sky. Through the binoculars, what had looked like an irregular white ring around the moon, could be resolved into red, orange, and yellow regions of coronal activity, with a particular large bright red solar prominence sticking out past the 'bottom' of the moon.

I'm very glad we made the trip.
javi2541997 April 09, 2024 at 18:49 #895178
Reply to wonderer1 I can feel the happiness and emotion you experienced by reading your post! I am glad you were happy doing that. These kinds of events are really worth living, indeed. :cool:
AmadeusD April 09, 2024 at 20:06 #895190
Dropped this in another thread just now, but I found out I got an A on my first undergrad Phil writing assignment last night.

I am pretty darn happy.
javi2541997 April 10, 2024 at 04:47 #895338
Quoting AmadeusD
Dropped this in another thread just now, but I found out I got an A on my first undergrad Phil writing assignment last night.


Congratulations! :cool:
What a fantastic emotion is to achieve good marks. Right?
Baden April 10, 2024 at 14:03 #895409
Quoting Noble Dust
I was hoping for more "The sloth looks north but catches it's foot on a vine. No blame if the perch is maintained."


After 36 hours of meditation on this, I got nothing but a dislocated hip.
Outlander April 10, 2024 at 16:03 #895418
Quoting Baden
After 36 hours of meditation on this, I got nothing but a dislocated hip.


Being a hamster, nature's nimble trapeze artists, that must have took quite a bit of effort! Fortunately, hamsters are known for their incredible recovery speed, thus earning them a top spot in the animal kingdom. In my book, at least. Bravo.
L'éléphant April 11, 2024 at 02:27 #895543
Quoting AmadeusD
I found out I got an A on my first undergrad Phil writing assignment last night.

Great! Something to brag about! :cool:

I've had tough professors so nothing was good enough. :roll:
jorndoe April 11, 2024 at 02:33 #895544
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javi2541997 April 11, 2024 at 04:15 #895558
Quoting L'éléphant
I've had tough professors so nothing was good enough.


Same here. It felt like my professors were allergic to give high marks to the students. :meh:
javi2541997 April 11, 2024 at 04:33 #895560
By the way, I just learnt in my reply to @L'éléphant, that in English the teachers 'give' marks to the students. We use the verb 'put' instead.

For example: el profesor de inglés me puso mala nota...

That phrase should be literally translated as 'the English teacher put me a poor mark' but it turned out the proper verb is 'give'. So, the correct translation is: the English teacher gave me a poor mark.

:gasp:
Deleted user April 11, 2024 at 07:28 #895572
I came across this again on Youtube (thank god), and it has sent me on a streak of playing music to animals:


It is known that dogs and insects and whales and lions see colour differently from us. Dogs smell differently from us. But I have never seen the sound question explored. Do they hear differently than us? It could be the elephant is there staring into the horizon, or perhaps it can experience Clair de Lune in a way that is inconceivable to us.
Tom Storm April 11, 2024 at 22:59 #895716
Quoting Deleted user
But I have never seen the sound question explored. Do they hear differently than us?


Well this one comes up with dogs quite often, hence dog whistle politics...
BC April 11, 2024 at 23:37 #895728
Quoting Deleted user
Do they hear differently than us?


My theory is that dogs hear the same music we hear. Dogs appear to have zero interest, however, in these sounds, presumably because they have no capacity to respond to the music they are hearing. Music is to them what random noise is to us: meaningless. On the other hand, humans don't respond all that positively to kinds of music they have not previously encountered. My first encounter with the Peking Opera (from Beijing, 1984) was that that the sounds were harsh, discordant, and unpleasant.

Apparently some parrots are capable of responding to the rhythm of music, because they respond by moving rhythmically.

Some anecdotes I have heard suggest that cows respond to music -- country western, Mozart, whatever, by exhibiting calmer behavior.

Elephants' relationship to sounds may be quite different than that of dogs, cats, or giraffes.
wonderer1 April 12, 2024 at 00:11 #895747
Quoting BC
Some anecdotes I have heard suggest that cows respond to music -- country western, Mozart, whatever, by exhibiting calmer behavior.


Deer seem to be Simon and Garfunkel fans...



Sir2u April 12, 2024 at 01:28 #895760
I think that hamsters will be the next owners of the earth, they will not leave anything for anyone else. :lol: :rofl:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/i/status/1776588485035520259[/tweet]
javi2541997 April 12, 2024 at 04:13 #895787
Quoting Sir2u
I think that hamsters will be the next owners of the earth


Wolfgang is doing wicked manoeuvres again! @Baden
Wayfarer April 12, 2024 at 08:31 #895821
Reply to wonderer1 :lol:

This review just came up in my feed for anyone interested https://physicsworld.com/a/entangled-entities-bohr-einstein-and-the-battle-over-quantum-fundamentals/
Baden April 12, 2024 at 12:58 #895862
Reply to javi2541997 Reply to Sir2u Reply to Outlander

Thank you, thank you for this collective effort of scientific research, all of which I continue to collate and store! (Much like a hamster devouring peanuts, haha *burp* * fart* *chuckle*.)

unenlightened April 12, 2024 at 14:08 #895874
The original and best ...

Baden April 12, 2024 at 15:15 #895890
unenlightened April 12, 2024 at 17:35 #895916
Reply to Baden You cannot beat letting animals speak for themselves in their home environment for giving a rounded realistic picture of their way of life.
Sir2u April 13, 2024 at 01:57 #896004
Quoting javi2541997
Wolfgang is doing wicked manoeuvres again!


If this is Wolfgang, I would consider renaming HER.
Hanover April 13, 2024 at 02:30 #896013
AI answering the age old question of what the Beatles' All My Loving would sound like if Freddie Mercury sang it:



L'éléphant April 13, 2024 at 02:35 #896014
Quoting javi2541997
Same here. It felt like my professors were allergic to give high marks to the students.

Yeah. I had a feeling back then that it was their way of getting you to try harder.

Quoting javi2541997
By the way, I just learnt in my reply to L'éléphant, that in English the teachers 'give' marks to the students. We use the verb 'put' instead.

For example: el profesor de inglés me puso mala nota...

That phrase should be literally translated as 'the English teacher put me a poor mark' but it turned out the proper verb is 'give'. So, the correct translation is: the English teacher gave me a poor mark.

:up:
javi2541997 April 13, 2024 at 11:17 #896075
Quoting Sir2u
I would consider renaming HER.


What name are you thinking of?

Henrietta or Isabel?
frank April 13, 2024 at 15:27 #896156
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Sir2u April 13, 2024 at 21:28 #896227
Quoting javi2541997
What name are you thinking of?


Maybe Catalina la Grande, I think sounds very distinguished and fitting.
javi2541997 April 14, 2024 at 04:16 #896314
Reply to Sir2u What a gorgeous name, indeed! After reading it, I felt the need to knee down for such nobility.
Jamal April 14, 2024 at 13:42 #896404
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Good to be in the old country for a while. You can’t see it in this photograph but there was a goose near the pond that seemed to be making the sound of a sheep (“baaaa”) because there was a nearby sheep hiding behind a bush.
Deleted user April 14, 2024 at 14:26 #896408
There was a huge missed opportunity to call this website The Philosophorum — Latin for "of the philosophers".
javi2541997 April 14, 2024 at 14:52 #896416
Reply to Jamal Extremely beautiful and green. That means it still rains frequently there. I also like that stone wall. It is very common in the landscapes of Scotland.

Very different from where I am now. Drought, yellowish, brownish, etc. A classic landscape of La Mancha:

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PD: be careful of geese... it is another animal who works for the government, like pigeons.
Jamal April 14, 2024 at 15:08 #896428
Quoting javi2541997
Extremely beautiful and green. That means it still rains frequently there. I also like that stone wall. It is very common in the landscapes of Scotland.

Very different from where I am now. Drought, yellowish, brownish, etc. A classic landscape of La Mancha:


If I were First Minister of Scotland I would donate three quarters of this season's Scottish rain to Spain, as I'm aware of your drought. There's been so much rain here over the past few weeks that the crops are failing and the lambs are dying.

Quoting javi2541997
PD: be careful of geese... it is another animal who works for the government, like pigeons.


I've lived with geese. They are terrorists. Pigeons are ok.
Jamal April 14, 2024 at 15:12 #896431
Quoting javi2541997
I also like that stone wall. It is very common in the landscapes of Scotland.


Yes indeed, and the North of England too, and probably Wales, and probably Ireland. They're called dry stone (or drystane) dykes. They do courses in how to build them. I'd like to do it.
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 15:25 #896439
In America, we have no fences, only bridges, because we believe in inclusiveness.

It's interesting to hear how others still live elsewhere.
Jamal April 14, 2024 at 15:44 #896449
Reply to Hanover

Scotland alone has more bridges than the US.
javi2541997 April 14, 2024 at 15:49 #896451
Quoting Jamal
If I were First Minister of Scotland I would donate three quarters of this season's Scottish rain to Spain, as I'm aware of your drought


Oh! Such a lovely gesture! Yes, we have an important shortage of water. There are some mayors in Catalunya and Andalucía who already put restrictions on the use of water. It is probably the biggest challenge of my country in this century, but our politicians are not making a big effort towards it...

Quoting Jamal
I've lived with geese. They are terrorists. Pigeons are ok.


Cool! Next time I see a pigeon I will 'hats off' to him. :grin:
javi2541997 April 14, 2024 at 15:57 #896453
Quoting Hanover
In America, we have no fences, only bridges, because we believe in inclusiveness.


Yeah, the border with Mexico is a good example of that inclusiveness. :lol:
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 16:20 #896459
Quoting Jamal
Scotland alone has more bridges than the US.


There are over 600,000 bridges in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridges_in_the_United_States_by_state#:~:text=This%20list%20of%20bridges%20in,600%2C000%20bridges%20in%20the%20U.S.


There are 4,970 bridges in Scotland.
https://www.transport.gov.scot/transport-network/roads/bridges-and-structures/#:~:text=We%20maintain%204970%20structures%2C%20including,mast%20lighting%20and%20retaining%20walls.

Based upon this information, I stand corrected. 6 is lower than 497 and zeros count for nothing. Scotland wins this round, but the US will get them next time.

Damn all of you! Damn you all!
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 16:22 #896460
Quoting javi2541997
Yeah, the border with Mexico is a good example of that inclusiveness. :lol:


Walls and fences are different things. We have more walls than Scotland also. At least I think so, but I'll defer to the numbers
javi2541997 April 14, 2024 at 16:29 #896464
Quoting Hanover
Walls and fences are different things


But they share a common principle: avoid inclusiveness.
Baden April 14, 2024 at 16:31 #896465
Quoting Jamal
and probably Ireland


Can confirm. Very similar landscape and ovine antics.
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 17:09 #896478
Just saw "In the Valley of Violence " A western where they killed Ethan Hawke's dog so he shot up the whole town, including John Travolta, who was the town marshal, no longer just the fuck up in Mr. Kotter's class.
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 17:12 #896480
Jamal April 14, 2024 at 18:59 #896504
Quoting Hanover
There are 4,970 bridges in Scotland.


I saw that many before breakfast.
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 19:59 #896514
Quoting Jamal
I saw that many before breakfast.


Your land must be composed of small pod islands stitched together by a network of bridges, with the inhabitants of each northward pod speaking in progressively more muddled dialects, at the far extreme north sounding like a jackhammer of drunken rolling Rs.

That explains that.

Where I live, we have a single long bridge that we count 600,000 times. It goes nowhere, but we have it to keep out of the rain. Before the Bridge Legislation of 1804, we were a sopping nation. Now we're bone dry, like a perfect martini.

I'm fighting the AI takeover with these sorts of posts. It could never mimic this brilliance and keeps me necessary.

Yes, "necessary" is the word I was looking for.
unenlightened April 14, 2024 at 19:59 #896515
Quoting Hanover
Walls and fences are different things.


Stone fences are popular hereabouts.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/snowdonia-slate-fence.html?sortBy=relevant
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 20:06 #896517
Quoting unenlightened
Stone fences are popular hereabouts.


Slate must be more available there than here. It's interesting to think about a farmer having constructed that 100s of years ago and it still stands.. Nothing here is more than a few decades old it seems.
unenlightened April 14, 2024 at 20:24 #896519
Slate is very available, but I'm wondering if the difference between a wall and a fence is a matter of thickness only or permeability, or something else? And what of hedges?
Metaphysician Undercover April 14, 2024 at 20:36 #896524
Quoting unenlightened
Slate is very available, but I'm wondering if the difference between a wall and a fence is a matter of thickness only or permeability, or something else?


I think it's a difference of height. A deer can jump over a fence, but not a wall.
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 20:57 #896531
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I think it's a difference of height. A deer can jump over a fence, but not a wall.


A fence is perhaps a subset of a wall, but not vice versa. I have walls in my house that I'd never call a fence, but I could call my fence in my yard a wall of sorts.

If the definition of a wall is dependent upon how high a deer could jump, then walls must exceed 7 feet according to my deer jumping sources. https://www.ncwildlife.org/Learning/Species/Mammals/Whitetail-Deer/Fencing-to-Exclude-Deer#:~:text=An%20adult%20deer%20can%20easily,short%20fences%20(4%20ft.)

Then what of Olympian deer that can jump 10 or even 12 feet?
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 21:01 #896532
Quoting unenlightened
And what of hedges?


To me a hedge is a live planted shrub, although a dead shrub would still be a hedge, albeit in heaven. A wall then might be inorganic, but never a shrub. A shrub is then a subset of a wall requiring at least one carbon atom, among other things. Deer can eat all shrubs, but not all walls.
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 21:07 #896534
Even more general is the barrier, which includes walls, shrubs, fences, and condoms, among other things.

Another barrier is lack of intelligence, which is described by what it isn't composed of, like a hole. A deer will not be admitted into Harvard because of the intelligence barrier.
Hanover April 14, 2024 at 21:10 #896536
When I was a kid, I asked my dad to throw a ball with me, but he told me to bounce it off the wall. It wasn't the same, but it was something at least.
Jamal April 14, 2024 at 21:24 #896540
What about ha-has?
Outlander April 14, 2024 at 22:47 #896562
Quoting Hanover
When I was a kid, I asked my dad to throw a ball with me, but he told me to bounce it off the wall. It wasn't the same, but it was something at least.


Good for him. Co-dependence is a terrible thing to permanently instill unto a young child. Count yourself lucky to have been present in the aura of such foresight and wisdom.
Hanover April 15, 2024 at 00:57 #896597
Quoting Outlander
Good for him. Co-dependence is a terrible thing to permanently instill unto a young child. Count yourself lucky to have been present in the aura of such foresight and wisdom.


I provided the same for my son. He would ask me to play the card game War over and over with him, so I showed him how he could play with the owl figurine we had by dealing him in and flipping the cards for him. I'd see him later go grab the deck of cards and the owl and play for hours.

Maybe when he has kids, I'll send him the owl and that worn out deck of cards.
Hanover April 15, 2024 at 01:06 #896600
Quoting Jamal
What about ha-has?


I never heard of such until now. It could arguably be considered a ditch more than a wall. If it were to encircle the entirely of the pasture, it would be more of a moat, although a moat is typically filled with water and perhaps alligators and possibly dragons. Those are typically for keeping enemies out as opposed to livestock in.

A wall blocking water is a dam. There was a store near the dam near me and it was called the Dam Store. It burnt down. Yep, the Dam Store burnt down. True story.
Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 02:06 #896635
Quoting Hanover
A wall blocking water is a dam.


Some dams double as a bridge. Did you remember to count them?
Hanover April 15, 2024 at 02:17 #896643
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Some dams double as a bridge. Did you remember to count them?


600,001. Thanks.
Hanover April 15, 2024 at 02:19 #896646
When you're down and out
When you're on the street
When evening falls so hard
I will comfort you
I'll take your part
Oh, when darkness comes
And pain is all around
Leontiskos April 15, 2024 at 02:37 #896654
Reply to Hanover - A sub-par translation of Dylan's "To make you feel my love"?
jorndoe April 15, 2024 at 07:23 #896684
BMW says Goodbye to Electric Cars; it has now Solved the Problem of Hydrogen Engines
[sup]— Aizaz khan · MyElectricSparks · Jan 29, 2024[/sup]
Even though hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, it’s typically not found in its pure form and is often combined with other elements. Creating pure hydrogen for vehicles involves an energy-intensive process to break down compounds, usually derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.


:chin:

javi2541997 April 15, 2024 at 07:47 #896686
Reply to jorndoe Luckily, I don't like cars and everything that holds an engine inside itself. I think it is an evil machine that drives people into risky situations. I can't imagine a world without trains. I love trains! I use them every day.

Probably the train has been one of the most important inventions of humanity, but the stupid car eclipsed the fragrance of transporting oneself along railroads...
javi2541997 April 15, 2024 at 08:05 #896689
Hanover April 15, 2024 at 09:34 #896697
Quoting Leontiskos
sub-par translation of Dylan's "To make you feel my love"?


I think it more has to do with bridges
wonderer1 April 15, 2024 at 11:08 #896706
Quoting Hanover
I think it more has to do with bridges


Right, like...

Slow down, you move too fast
You got to make the morning last
Just kicking down the cobblestones
Looking for fun and feeling groovy


Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 11:37 #896709
Reply to jorndoe
The primary problem of hydrogen fuel is the challenge to create pure hydrogen. The secondary issue is the explosive nature of the fuel. The article you linked has a misleading title because nowhere is it revealed how BMW has actually solved the primary problem, and designed an efficient way to get pure hydrogen, and the secondary problem is not mentioned.

In the past, I think researchers have concentrated their efforts toward understanding the relationship between hydrogen and oxygen, but the important relationship is actually more of a three way relationship, hydrogen-carbon-oxygen, rather than the simple hydrogen-oxygen relationship. I believe that the key to efficient hydrogen production is a thorough understanding of the carbon/hydrogen relationship.

Plants produce sugars, and yeast converts sugar to ethanol. Methanol on the other hand, is a convenient source for useful hydrogen, but it is not produced in the same way as ethanol. I believe that through genetic manipulation we ought to be able to create organisms which produce methanol directly. We already have organisms which produce methane, and the relationship between methane and methanol is somewhat understood. But this field of activity, the production of methane, along with the relationship between methane and methanol, remains somewhat mysterious.
Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 11:45 #896710
Looking for fun and feeling groovy


"Groovy" is a really cool word. I think it must be derived from the grooves of a vinyl record. Hum a tune and if the producer thinks you've got something worth vinyl: "hey that's groovy man!". I would think that's a really good feeling.
Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 12:29 #896714
Reference to the feelings wheel (https://feelingswheel.com/) did not reveal any feeling called "groovy". I think it must be a confluence of many good feelings in the "happy" category, confident, proud, courageous, creative, joyful, accepted, powerful, free, optimistic, inspired, etc.. Maybe it's the epitome of happiness itself. Perhaps we could describe "groovy" as feeling like "I have a direct line to the Supreme Being", as very distinct from "I am the Supreme Being", in the master/slave relation.
wonderer1 April 15, 2024 at 12:43 #896718
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Perhaps we could describe "groovy" as feeling like "I have a direct line to the Supreme Being"...


It seems to me that it is feeling the late stages of an acid trip, because the next stanza goes...

Hello lamppost, what'cha knowing
I've come to watch your flowers growin'
Ain't you got no rhymes for me?
Doo-ait-n-doo-doo, feeling groovy


Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 16:28 #896754
Ain't you got no rhymes for me?


Simon don't need to get no rhymes from a lamp post, he's already imbibed in the full groove.
Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 16:38 #896760
Just call me Al:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA
javi2541997 April 15, 2024 at 17:14 #896771
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Perhaps we could describe "groovy" as feeling like "I have a direct line to the Supreme Being",


I translated it into my language, and it means fabuloso or genial. We use these adjectives to describe something extraordinary.
Deleted user April 15, 2024 at 17:18 #896773
Reply to javi2541997 Google dictionary reveals it means nothing beyond another synonym for "good".
I originally thought it meant something like "jazzy".
javi2541997 April 15, 2024 at 18:38 #896782
Reply to Deleted user I searched for 'jazzy' on Google and it says:

A) Irish dance-pop singer-songwriter. https://www.instagram.com/jazzyofficial__/

B) Adjective. Exciting or showy.

I guess that dance-pop singer-songwriter is both groovy and jazzy. Yeah, I definitely think so.
BC April 15, 2024 at 19:29 #896786
Reply to javi2541997 Reply to Deleted user Reply to Metaphysician Undercover

Google Ngram calculates the frequency of word usage based on its very large corpus of scanned printed matter.

"Groovy" was in use for all of the 20th century, but at a very low level until the 1960s. Whether "groovy" referred to a pleasant state of mind or merely the presence of peaks and valleys in otherwise flat surfaces isn't revealed in Ngram. One would think that "peak groovy" occurred in the 1960s/1970s but no -- the early 21st century was "peak groovy".

Apparently the financial crisis of 2007-2008 frosted grooviness to some extent.

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More groovy details below.
Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 19:39 #896789
Reply to BC
The 80s was kind of a down period, probably all that industry hype about CDs taking over the market. The vinyl groove would be dead in its tracks. But grooviness just keeps coming in waves. Bring it on!
BC April 15, 2024 at 19:39 #896790
Reply to javi2541997 Reply to Deleted user Reply to Metaphysician Undercover Reply to wonderer1 More Groovy Details

Slate:Briefly, the word dates back to jazz circles in the 1930s and ultimately derives from the phrase “in the groove,” meaning “performing or doing exceptionally well.” What the “groove” in that phrase originally referred to is hard to establish definitively, because several meanings current in the 1930s all permit plausible theories.

Many dictionaries do link the groove of in the groove to the groove of a record. But groove could also refer to the path between a pitcher and the strike zone (and had done so since the turn of the century); a pitcher who was throwing “in the groove” was throwing very well. Groove also had a vulgar sexual connotation, which could likewise give in the groove the connotation of high performance and pleasure.

And groove could simply mean a “style,” a sense associated with the parallel between being in a groove and being in a rut. (In the 19th century, groovy actually meant “to be in a rut” or to be “of settled habits” or “conventional”; the first Oxford English Dictionary citation for this kind of grooviness is dated 1867.)

In any event, by the 1940s groovy had expanded beyond the jazz world and–a harbinger of what would happen in the 1960s and ‘70s–was being used by nongroovy adults in a typically pathetic attempt to seem hip. Here’s a Buick ad, cited by Thomas Dalzell, a lexicographer of slang, in his terrific book Flappers 2 Rappers: “Stand off and beam at Buick’s years-ahead style–there’s something not only favored by the old folks, but termed by the younger idea, definitely groovy!” The ad appeared in Newsweek in 1946


EVEN MORE GROOVY DETAILS!!!

Recent scholarship makes it clear that sound recording was invented twice: First by inventor Edouard-Léon Scott de Martinville in 1857 France, then 20 years later by Thomas Alva Edison in the United States. However, the Frenchman recorded sound for scientific analysis. His method didn't allow for playback. So, we can conclude that Thomas Edison is responsible for a lot of the grooviness going around.
BC April 15, 2024 at 19:47 #896791
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover CDs don't really have a groove, they have the digital pox. So yes, CD's decreased grooviness. Another major factor was the election of the very non-groovy Ronald Reagan. Clinton was groovy (a bit too much for his own good) but George Bush II has never been accused of being groovy.

Full disclosure: I have never been called groovy.

"Are you in the groove? You mean, 'ever diminishing circles'?" Marshal McLuhan
BC April 15, 2024 at 19:49 #896792
All these groovy details will probably kill off the groovy topic.
javi2541997 April 15, 2024 at 19:49 #896793
Reply to BC

Slate:Thomas Dalzell, a lexicographer of slang, in his terrific book Flappers 2 Rappers


:lol:

What a name for a book! Did Thomas Dalzell write the basic handbook for seekers of the groovy?
Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 19:58 #896795
Quoting BC
All these groovy details will probably kill off the groovy topic.


Don't mention "kill" here. Remember Get Smart and the Groovy Guru. The Sacred Cows sing "Kill, Kill, Kill, Thrill, Thrill, Thrill"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gvkmTQgyQM
BC April 15, 2024 at 20:02 #896796
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover Reply to javi2541997

The 1980s were a downer, for sure. The 60's and 70s had been a time of great music and liberation with a contrasting crappy war, presidential assassination, and Richard Nixon's shenanigans. The 80s had Reagan and AIDS, Silence=Death, and the fucking silent majority.

I'll have to check out Flappers 2 Rappers. Thanks for the reference.
BC April 15, 2024 at 20:05 #896797
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover The Satirical Anthem, Kill for Peace, by the Fugs is still a thing,

Metaphysician Undercover April 15, 2024 at 20:14 #896799
Reply to BC
OMG, The Sacred Cows plagiarized The Fugs. I guess there's a lot of truth to that old comedy.
javi2541997 April 17, 2024 at 04:44 #897135
You have to try eating Tzatziki for breakfast. The morning starts with a fresh air of the mix of both yogurt and cucumber. I have smeared, with my special silver spoon, that delicious Greek sauce on two slides of Santiveri rye bread. The result was groovy. The only flaw is that the product expires soon. I have to eat it quicker than I used to do with tofu.

I am finding other ways to have breakfast... I am starting to get bored with eating tomato and olive oil every morning. It is healthy, yes. But everything has a limit.

After eating Tzatziki for breakfast, I wanted to sing "Milo mou kai mandarini". A lovely Greek folk song on my way to the station, where other responsible people (like me) take the train to go to uncertain locations.

Hanover April 17, 2024 at 11:08 #897164
Quoting javi2541997
You have to try eating Tzatziki for breakfast. The morning starts with a fresh air of the mix of both yogurt and cucumber. I have smeared, with my special silver spoon, that delicious Greek sauce on two slides of Santiveri rye bread. The result was groovy. The only flaw is that the product expires soon. I have to eat it quicker than I used to do with tofu.


I was excited by your first line to see a story that was to written in the second person, but then it quickly returned to first, like most others.

Just like olive and tomatoe for breakfast. Same ole same ole.
Metaphysician Undercover April 17, 2024 at 11:21 #897166
Quoting javi2541997
where other responsible people (like me) take the train to go to uncertain locations.


That sounds like a groovy trip, definitely not same ole same ole. But how is taking a ride to an uncertain location being responsible?
javi2541997 April 17, 2024 at 11:26 #897167
Quoting Hanover
I was excited by your first line to see a story that was to written in the second person, but then it quickly returned to first, like most others.


My intention was to attract your excitement and/or attention to the pleasure I experienced this morning while I was relishing the Tzatziki. So, the objective is done. I did it!

Yes, I tend to mix first, second and third person in the same story. I blame my dyslexia.

I promise I was diagnosed with dyslexia when I was a kid.
javi2541997 April 17, 2024 at 11:30 #897168
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
But how is taking a ride to an uncertain location being responsible?


Because that specific passenger is courageous enough to take a train and go wherever instead of staying home and working remotely.

I know I am very weird at using my logic and arguments. Please, be patient with me!

I am laughing at this. Because I personally believe I do things correctly by taking a train every morning instead of doing telework. :lol:
wonderer1 April 17, 2024 at 11:30 #897169
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
That sounds like a groovy trip, definitely not same ole same ole. But how is taking a ride to an uncertain location being responsible?


By knowing one's velocity with great accuracy?
Deleted user April 17, 2024 at 11:43 #897170
Quoting javi2541997
You have to try eating Tzatziki for breakfast.


Speaking of

Ignore the silly man after the deed.
Metaphysician Undercover April 17, 2024 at 11:51 #897174
Quoting javi2541997
I am laughing at this. Because I personally believe I do things correctly by taking a train every morning instead of doing telework. :lol:


But how is taking a train to go "wherever" classified as doing things correctly? What signals you to get off that train? And where do you go after you get off? Why would you even want to get off? What is "getting off"? It's a crazy world out there, I think you might just prefer to stay home and go to work.
javi2541997 April 17, 2024 at 12:03 #897177
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
But how is taking a train to go "wherever" classified as doing things correctly?


Because trains do not pollute. They are friendly. You see a lot of people. A lot of faces. I feel cosy (or cozy). Just like I am sharing my time and doing my best with the rest of the passengers. While taking a car is something individualistic and it is toxic to the environment.

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
What signals you to get off that train? And where do you go after you get off?


Good questions.

Firstly, the train speaks with a female tone. It says: the next station is Atocha, orwe remind you that this train only goes to Villalba, etc.

How do I know I have to get off? When the train says the next station is curved. For example, the next station is Mendéz Álvaro. Be careful, the station is curved!
Where do I go? Well, I can't answer that. Everything is sporadic. I could end up in a land registry or a police department. It depends if it rains or not.

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Why would you even want to get off?


Because each train has an end station. I never want to get off there. It scares me. Very spooky. This is why I have to get off in other stations (curved station if it is possible).
javi2541997 April 17, 2024 at 12:05 #897179
Reply to Deleted user LMAO. The first time I heard that weird pronunciation. We are lucky we pronounce the words like Greeks do. :cool:
Metaphysician Undercover April 17, 2024 at 12:18 #897182
Quoting javi2541997
It depends if it rains or not.


I like that. It reminds me of a song by Stone Temple Pilots, called "Plush":
"And I feel, so much depends on the weather
So is it raining in your bedroom?"

Quoting javi2541997
Because each train has an end station. I never want to get off there. It scares me. Very spooky. This is why I have to get off in other stations (curved station if it is possible).


I agree, getting off at the end scares me too. I always want more after I get off. I wonder why.
Deleted user April 17, 2024 at 12:30 #897187
Reply to javi2541997 Some claim to see angels and hear the voices of their long dead ancestors. So it doesn't shock me too much when some people see two vowels where there is one.
javi2541997 April 17, 2024 at 12:51 #897189
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I agree, getting off at the end scares me too. I always want more after I get off. I wonder why.


I wonder why that too.

I just remembered something curious. When I attended college, I met a colleague who claimed he used to stay on the train from the first station to the last one.
He was lucky to live closer to one of the stations where the lines of the Madrid metro starts (or ends? ...) every morning.
He said: I take the train at Pinar de Chamartín and I do not mind waiting until Argüelles. The latter is the last station... but he never got off at that station. He always got off at Canillas or Velázquez.

It was crazy because I wanted to do the same one day, but I never tried it. Maybe this weekend! Who knows...
jorndoe April 17, 2024 at 23:39 #897317
Anyone know what to make of this one?

Bell’s theorem and its tests: Proof that nature is superdeterministic—Not random (pdf) — Johan Hansson · 2020

Deleted user April 18, 2024 at 00:12 #897327
Reply to jorndoe Considering that the debate around the nature of QM is not settled 4 years after, I would imagine Dr. Hansson has not fully proven his case.
Pantagruel April 18, 2024 at 12:36 #897429
Reply to jorndoe That's just an abstract? Do you have a pdf of the full article? I'm in the thick of this right now in the context of the book Quantum Mind and would be interested in reviewing. Specifically, Alexander Wendt characterizes the result of the "delayed choice" experiment as indicative of the fact that "measurements made in the immediate future are incorporated into descriptions of the current state of a system." I could see where superdeterminism could be misconstrued.
Deleted user April 18, 2024 at 12:48 #897437
Reply to Pantagruel https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1367641/FULLTEXT01.pdf
Pantagruel April 18, 2024 at 13:09 #897458
Reply to Deleted user Outstanding, thank you. :pray:
jorndoe April 18, 2024 at 14:40 #897503
Something that puzzles me is how someone like Mike Johnson (US politician) can be elected by large numbers of adults. He's a young-earth'er, wants to outlaw homosexuality, works at chipping away at environmental regulation, theocrat, ...

While one might argue that he can still function well as a politician, the former alone is kind of damning, sufficiently reality-removed to disqualify for public office. One might value dissidence, yet ...

Maybe religious fundamentalism / extremism is more common in the US (south) than I thought; maybe he's a symptom of reactionary sentiments/impulses; maybe his political career was carried by some sort of (unchallenged) subversive campaign (perhaps originating outside the US for that matter); ... Either way, it seems to me a sign of cultural decline, possibly not just in the US.

Insights, anyone?

[sup](didn't know if this topic is worthwhile a thread of its own)[/sup]

BC April 18, 2024 at 17:26 #897527
Quoting jorndoe
didn't know if this topic is worthwhile a thread of its own


Why people vote the way they do is worth a thread of its own. It is a very contentious topic. Explaining voter behavior is a very contentious topic in itself.

Extreme views (religious, social, political, etc.) are held by significant numbers of adults, and not just in the south. A significant number of adults, whose views may not be extreme, can be manipulated by deploying polarizing rhetoric. A significant number of adults do not vote at all. The economy--inflation, unemployment, diminished security, a pandemic, etc. destabilizes confidence in the status quo.

American politics have shifted rightward, to some extent, and become more polarized. The far right is closer to falling off the deep end. The far left isn't the old Marxist left that focused on wages, unions, labor, and economic issues. They are now more focussed on social issues. That isn't all bad, but social issues engage people more than economic issues. A focus on wages and unions attracts the big guns of corporate power. A focus on gender, race, and ethnic identity activates the conservative rank and file.

All this plays out according to local politics. Some states have secure liberal majorities; others have secure conservative majorities. The political security of some states, like Wisconsin, is contested.

Some people long for a time when life was "simpler" and "nicer". The climate wasn't changing. Children were obedient. Men were men and women were women--full stop. A woman's place was in the home. Racial minorities knew their place (back of the bus, in the ghetto, not in OUR schools, etc.) Everyone went to church, believed in God, obeyed his laws. People who didn't were punished. Everyone worked hard for an honest day's wages. Men made the important decisions, God was in his heaven, and all was right with the world.

Never Never Land is gone and they want it back, and by god, they are going to get it back one of these days and make the liberal evil doers pay for their wickedness!!!
Hanover April 18, 2024 at 21:03 #897544
Quoting BC
The far right is closer to falling off the deep end.


I think the far right isn't right at all. It's Trumpist, whatever that is.

I also think the far left is falling off the deep end.

Quoting BC
Some people long for a time when life was "simpler" and "nicer". The climate wasn't changing. Children were obedient. Men were men and women were women--full stop. A woman's place was in the home. Racial minorities knew their place (back of the bus, in the ghetto, not in OUR schools, etc.) Everyone went to church, believed in God, obeyed his laws. People who didn't were punished. Everyone worked hard for an honest day's wages. Men made the important decisions, God was in his heaven, and all was right with the world.


I agree with some things in here, some things not. I do like obedient children. I do think men and women are different. I do believe in God. I'll side with hard work and honest wages. I don't agree that women belong in the home or blacks in the back of the bus. I don't believe in punishing the non-religious or in giving men special rights to decide.

All those things don't go hand in hand.

Leontiskos April 18, 2024 at 21:19 #897548
Reply to Hanover - Agreed. As is so often the case, the brush is too broad.
wonderer1 April 18, 2024 at 22:20 #897554
Quoting Hanover
All those things don't go hand in hand.


Sure, people are individuals.

Do you think it fair to say that such traits are easier to find in conservatives than in liberals?
BC April 18, 2024 at 22:50 #897564
Reply to Leontiskos Quoting Hanover
I agree with some things in here, some things not.


The items in the paragraph are not an extra-wide paint-roller description of what is, or of what was; it's a perhaps broad brush description of a time that never existed. Children have always been disobedient at times. Women have long borne a significant share of labor at home, in the factory, and on the farm. Sex was never simple. Minorities have justly resented and resisted their disadvantageous situations for a long time. Religious dissent has been a hallmark of the American experience since the getgo--some of the founding fathers held views that were far-out for their times. God has never gotten full compliance anywhere at any time. At various times in the past hard work was the alternative to starving to death -- it wasn't a devotion to hard work, per se.

Most people, just guessing, prefer a predictable orderly world where things are either getting better or are, at least, not falling apart. In fact, the world is as predictable and orderly as it has ever been (which doesn't mean heaven on earth). The world has always been getting better and falling apart, just not for the same people at the same time in the same place.

Those for whom the world is falling apart -- in their time and place -- wish for a past when their world was OK, or maybe was getting better. When they lose perspective, it can be overwhelming--evidence for disaster crops up all over the place.

I don't like some of the stuff that is going on in the world, but I don't think most of it is dangerous, and certainly not catastrophic (except for global warming and the enduring risk of nuclear war).
Leontiskos April 18, 2024 at 23:41 #897576
Quoting BC
Most people, just guessing, prefer a predictable orderly world where things are either getting better or are, at least, not falling apart. In fact, the world is as predictable and orderly as it has ever been (which doesn't mean heaven on earth). The world has always been getting better and falling apart, just not for the same people at the same time in the same place.


Conservatives tend to think the world is getting worse and progressives tend to think that it is getting better. Fancy that. You painted a rosy-eyed picture of the past to ridicule conservatives. Others will paint rosy-eyed pictures of the future to ridicule progressives. Same game, different team. The notion that the two sides lack symmetry is, in my opinion, the consequence of an echo-chamber.
Hanover April 19, 2024 at 01:46 #897595
So you think you've heard it all? Well, no, you haven't. I give you Texasdeutsch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_German


Hanover April 19, 2024 at 01:53 #897596
Quoting wonderer1
Do you think it fair to say that such traits are easier to find in conservatives than in liberals?
I think conservatives will naturally want to conserve the past and progressives will naturally want to move forward. A conservative might resent change and a progressive resent maintaining tradition.

But both can be equally wrong. Clinging to injustice is as wrong as insisting upon false equality.



jorndoe April 19, 2024 at 03:38 #897615
Quoting Leontiskos
As is so often the case, the brush is too broad.


As to my comment (can't speak for others), I wasn't surprised that you can find people with ridiculous beliefs, but that this fella' was elected for public office, by adults, now representing a large number of people. Is it then worthwhile asking how common such beliefs are? Or how he managed to get elected, more than once at that? Incidentally, a colleague of his was caught spreading false claims. Well then, how common is this sort of crap, since we're no longer just talking remote fringe out in the swamps? Ideally, I'd ask the voters, but can't. :)

javi2541997 April 19, 2024 at 13:09 #897697
Quoting Hanover
So you think you've heard it all? Well, no, you haven't. I give you Texasdeutsch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_German


Well, fantastic to have a review on Texas German. The word 'blanket' is literally the same in both Standard English and Texas German. This is important. I put a blanket on my head two hours ago, and I went to Mercadona to buy my meal.

When I was looking for the Tzatziki a Greek person approached me and said: excuse me, do you know why Formentera and Eivissa are called the Pitiusas Islands?

I answered: yes, because 'pitis' means pines in Greek. The islands were covered by a groovy and beautiful green blanket of pines, and the Greeks baptised those islands with that name.

The Greek person started to cry and me too, because of the poetic metaphor.

I removed the blanket from my head and I put it on the shoulders of the Greek. I invited him to eat at my home. We had a delicious jamón serrano and Greek salad. After the meal, we took a siesta but when I woke up, the Greek fellow was no longer in the saloon. Yet there was drawn the following on the blanket of before:

User image
Hanover April 19, 2024 at 14:07 #897711
Reply to javi2541997 Cloaked in a blanket, you cried with a Greek man and shared a meal and then a nap, only to find later your blanket became a picturesque map.

Your story is a common one, so much so that when it is described, it comes out in rhyme, and is sung to children who refuse to sleep.
Hanover April 19, 2024 at 14:11 #897712
I also note that there is a southeastern village on your map called Sant Francesc. It reminds me of a city by the bay, but I cannot exactly place it.
javi2541997 April 19, 2024 at 14:56 #897725
Quoting Hanover
Your story is a common one, so much so that when it is described, it comes out in rhyme, and is sung to children who refuse to sleep.


I always wanted to write children's literature, but editors didn't allow me to publish due to my huge sense of nostalgia and existentialism. :grin:
Deleted user April 19, 2024 at 15:05 #897730
Quoting Hanover
So you think you've heard it all? Well, no, you haven't. I give you Texasdeutsch.


There are many German communities around the New World. In Brazil there is a dialect of Low German that is almost extinct outside of the country — East Pomeranian. There is also Namibian German.
But it gets much more bizarre. There is Sri Lankan Portuguese (and Malaysian too), Italians in Lebanon, Mongol speakers in Russia and Afghanistan, and a South Indian language, Brahui, lost in the middle of Pakistan. And I am not talking about recent migration, each of these have been there for centuries — except the pasta folks in Lebanon, that was recent.
Moliere April 19, 2024 at 16:17 #897749
Daniel Dennett has passed on.

News from one of his philosophical opponents.

He was a deep thinker. I believe I've said it before, but he has the distinction of being one of the few philosophers of free will to contribute anything to the discussion, and doing so after everything had already been said.

I'm always sad to see anyone go, and so it goes with him. I never met him, but I've been influenced enough by his cadre, and impressed enough with his philosophy, that it made me sad to see a brilliant and beautifully stubborn mind go.
Metaphysician Undercover April 19, 2024 at 16:32 #897756
Reply to Deleted user
A TikToker in Northern Ireland who specialized in the slang of that area, found to her surprise, that the only people in the world who could understand her slang, were residents of Newfoundland Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/newfoundland-slang-ireland-1.7160584
Hanover April 19, 2024 at 17:02 #897761
Reply to Moliere Not just to be a naysayer or to speak ill of the dead, but I found his thoughts on consciousness useless, not very thoughtful, and stubborn in an almost uncurious sort of way.

Compare him to Chalmers, for example, you wouldn't think they were engaged in the same inquiry.

Moliere April 19, 2024 at 17:26 #897771
Reply to Hanover I don't agree with his philosophy at all -- even the bit on free will I think is some really good philosophy, but I disagree with it entirely.

I'm more sympathetic to Chalmers, tho I've come around a bit in feeling critical (as we all do, eventually).

What Dennet always provided was a strong position that could be attacked, and he provided it for that purpose -- it was what he really believed but he was also willing to expose what others might find dismissible.

I looked about and can't remember, but he had a witticism he wrote about ecumenical hybridism which I wanted to invert. My takeaway from the expression is he preffered clearly explicable, defendable, and yet strong stances over the wishy washy (which I tend to go towards).
Hanover April 19, 2024 at 19:58 #897795
Just got back from the dermatologist. I had a bump on my ankle. He said it wasn't nothing but a chicken wing. He took it off and threw it in a jar to send off to a lab just to be sure. I'm going to ask for its return to bury it with me when I die so that the entirety of me will go to heaven and I'll not have to find all the assorted pieces from all the prior years once I get up there. I imagine there are all sorts of signs on heaven telephone poles with pictures of bits and pieces that are in search of origins.

Then I think about how when a long lost piece of skin or mist of sneeze finds it owner, what a warm embrace must follow. It'd be a slice of heaven in heaven.
BC April 19, 2024 at 21:33 #897820
Reply to Hanover Your corporeal integrity concerns in the afterlife remind me of an old (and not very funny) joke. [i]The revival meeting preacher was quoting Matthew 13:42 where Jesus says, "They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Responding to a question from a listener in the back of the tent, "Preacher, what if we have lost all our teeth?" he said, "brother, teeth will be provided."[/I]

Some people worry about their missing body parts, and some think that the cremated won't get a new body when all the dead are raised, incorruptible. I wasn't aware that Jews generally worried about this matter. It seems to be more of a fundamentalist anxiety. There is also the existential question as to whether the various growths and parasites that live on us are "us" or "them". Is a tape worm you or somebody else? Are you not your very own flesh-eating streptococci?

As for the fiery furnace, will that be a dirty coal fired furnace or a clean hydrogen furnace?
Metaphysician Undercover April 20, 2024 at 00:13 #897848
Quoting BC
There is also the existential question as to whether the various growths and parasites that live on us are "us" or "them". Is a tape worm you or somebody else? Are you not your very own flesh-eating streptococci?


How about that patient who had covid for a year and a half, and mutated about 50 different variants of the virus right within his own body? Too bad they eventually killed him, that's their loss.
Banno April 20, 2024 at 00:23 #897849
Seems Daniel Dennett has moved on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/books/daniel-dennett-dead.html

I see molly already noted this.
Banno April 20, 2024 at 00:26 #897851
Reply to Moliere Yep, his influence, and brilliance, is to be found in the arguments against his views.

Hanover April 20, 2024 at 00:27 #897852
Reply to BC "According to Jewish law, a Jew is to be buried as he was born - complete with all his limbs and organs. The human body is considered as sacred in death as it was in life as it contained a G?dly soul. He must be buried in a traditional grave in the ground, so that the body may return to the earth."Quoting BC
As for the fiery furnace, will that be a dirty coal fired furnace or a clean hydrogen furnace?


"Cremation is explicitly forbidden according to all authentic Jewish opinions and there are never any circumstances where it is permitted. Jewish law considers cremation as pure idol worship, and as "going in the ways of the gentiles." Any instructions to be cremated must be ignored without feelings of guilt or regret."

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/367836/jewish/Basic-Laws-of-a-Jewish-Funeral.htm

Mikie April 20, 2024 at 01:36 #897856
Dan Dennett. Sad to see him go.

Fellow resident of my hometown, I remember he signed every book of his that the library had, with a little note saying “To the readers of Andover…”. I always liked that.

Went to a lecture of his when I was a freshman, met him briefly in the hallway. Seemed like a kindly old man.

I liked his take on religion — felt it was a better attitude than the others of the late 2000s, like Dawkins and Hitchens.

This interview (below) with Bill Moyers always stood out to me as fairly reasonable. The rest of his thinking I never found terribly interesting.

In any case— may he rest in peace. A real loss to the philosophy community— if there is one.

kazan April 20, 2024 at 04:50 #897868
Question for any of the resident lawyers, particularly Hanover...
How is the Hebrew "law" of :speedy" entire body burial reconciled with autopsy practices/requirements of organ removal and examination which may take extensive periods of time depending on mode of death? Muslims have similar requirements, correct?
And on a silly note, how would a cannibal be divided up/ reallocated in heaven with regard to the recent pages' discussion of returning body parts and bits?
Not suggesting any S/box discussions are silly.... with a few exceptions.
BC April 20, 2024 at 06:27 #897879
Reply to Hanover So, the funereal composting is out too, I suppose. It's above ground in a large container with wood chips and leafy material; kale, probably. Green burials -- really, just an old fashioned unembalmed burial in a plain wooden box -- are increasingly popular, though still a niche market.
Deleted user April 20, 2024 at 09:46 #897904
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover In Argentina (and Uruguay) there is a type of slang called Lunfardo that is unseen in other parts of the Spanish world, it comes from Italian immigrants in the 19th century.
Hanover April 20, 2024 at 11:37 #897912
Reply to kazan Here's generally on Jewish law and autopsy: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/autopsies-and-jewish-law/

Your questions relate to halacha, which is how Jewish law is interpreted, which, in itself, is a legalistic thought process that goes down all sorts of rabbit holes. Pick any question and start to think of exceptions or special circumstances and someone has probably analyzed it over the past few thousand years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha

My best guess with your cannabilsm question is that you puree the cannibal and inject the resultant gazpacho into the uneaten portions of deceased grandpa, thus reconstituting the Jewish decedent with his former body contents and now allowing for a lovely service.

But I'm not a rabbi, so I could be wrong.

I tend toward much more liberal strands of Judaism and find value in the respect for humanity that is exhibited by the sacred treatment of the dead, so I'd be fine with whatever forms of autopsy or burial that promote that spirit without worrying as much about strict adherence to legalistic rules. But that's me.
jorndoe April 20, 2024 at 15:03 #897953
Starting to get a Terminator (1984) vibe :)

An Electric New Era for Atlas (— Boston Dynamics · Apr 17, 2024)

Hanover April 20, 2024 at 15:05 #897954
I feel like my reference to a pureed cannibal as gazpacho didn't get its due recognition.
wonderer1 April 20, 2024 at 16:51 #897979
Quoting jorndoe
Starting to get a Terminator (1984) vibe :)


No need to panic until someone from the future leaves behind neuromorphic hardware. (Or we develop practical neuromorphic hardware ourselves.)

Hala Point contains 1.15 billion artificial neurons across 1152 Loihi 2 Chips, and is capable of 380 trillion synaptic operations per second. Mike Davies at Intel says that despite this power it occupies just six racks in a standard server case – a space similar to that of a microwave oven. Larger machines will be possible, says Davies. “We built this scale of system because, honestly, a billion neurons was a nice round number,” he says. “I mean, there wasn’t any particular technical engineering challenge that made us stop at this level.”
Hanover April 21, 2024 at 02:27 #898072
If you thought your wife pregnant, but would learn the 9 month destension was just corked abdominal gas relieved by a careful uncorkscrewing, would you name your fartbaby Odoriferous and raise her as an equal with your other children or would you treat her as a lesser being?
wonderer1 April 21, 2024 at 03:44 #898078
Reply to Hanover

Light her up, as an evil spirit I think.
kazan April 21, 2024 at 03:55 #898079
Hanover
Thanks.Well nuanced short article.
Can relate to rabbitholes considering divergency of views / interpretations whenever religion is discussed.
Wouldn't Gasphartchio be a better name? As a tribute to yr wrongly overlooked and underappreciated pureed can-a-ball comment. sad smile.
Deleted user April 21, 2024 at 11:47 #898122
Metaphysician Undercover April 21, 2024 at 11:53 #898124
Oh my God! There's a lot of threads about the paradoxes which entail from the magic of mathematical axioms, that have popped up lately. Let's just go back to discussing the problems of the magical Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent Being instead.
Deleted user April 21, 2024 at 11:59 #898125
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover I think they are all by the same person :lol:
Metaphysician Undercover April 21, 2024 at 12:03 #898128
Reply to Deleted user
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle!
Hanover April 21, 2024 at 12:58 #898137
New bar in The Netherlands called Free Willie, a naked gay bar. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/free-willie-amsterdam-naked-gay-052915504.html

For fairness sake, we need a Free Jilly bar, a naked gay bar for gay women and for straight who like to stare. Maybe call it Creepy's.
frank April 21, 2024 at 18:19 #898193
I predict the trans thing will be gone by 2050. Or mostly gone
Hanover April 21, 2024 at 18:55 #898202
Reply to frank I've seen a number of articles questioning the safety of puberty blockers and I saw Scotland has stopped prescribing them. I think for those under 18, it's going to become increasingly uncommon to provide hormones or any interventional treatment.

I also don't feel like the trans supporters are going to win the public restroom or sports participation battle.

Manuel April 21, 2024 at 22:24 #898237
@Jamal

I misplaced my thread on Dennett and put it in the Lounge instead of General, if you or any mod can fix this please, it would be appreciated.
fdrake April 21, 2024 at 22:39 #898240
Reply to Manuel

I put it in general.
Manuel April 21, 2024 at 22:40 #898242
Reply to fdrake

Thank you.
BC April 21, 2024 at 23:44 #898249
Reply to frank Reply to Hanover Pretending that one can change one's gender is fantasy. Some of the fantasies we entertain in our heads should stay there. 2050 is only 26 years away; we'll see if common sense prevails. I keep thinking that global heating will become the only issue that people will worry about, and "cool, clear water" will be the only fantasy.
frank April 22, 2024 at 01:47 #898278
Quoting Hanover
I've seen a number of articles questioning the safety of puberty blockers and I saw Scotland has stopped prescribing them. I think for those under 18, it's going to become increasingly uncommon to provide hormones or any interventional treatment.

I also don't feel like the trans supporters are going to win the public restroom or sports participation battle.


The NHS just shut down a trans clinic for gross negligence. No quality research has been done on the long term outcomes of providing surgery and hormones to kids. The US is in the process of outlawing it. And I don't think the pronoun thing has legs either. Most people think it's stupid.

Quoting BC
Pretending that one can change one's gender is fantasy. Some of the fantasies we entertain in our heads should stay there.


That's exactly what detransitioners say. They say it's an illusion that a biological woman can live a normal life as a male.

Quoting BC
I keep thinking that global heating will become the only issue that people will worry about, and "cool, clear water" will be the only fantasy.


I don't think anybody is going to worry about the climate. They'll just adapt as it changes.

javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 06:02 #898300
Quoting BC
keep thinking that global heating will become the only issue that people will worry about.


Quoting frank
I don't think anybody is going to worry about the climate. They'll just adapt as it changes.


Although we have to adapt to the challenge of global heating, it is an issue (or matter) that we all should care about. Sadly, the politicians or other important representatives are not taking care of, or at most, they are not making a great effort. There are some who deny global heating, and others overreact to it. Promising a lot, but with low practice in reality. What I am 100 % certain is that my country is becoming deserted, and some regions are close to be run of water. This is a fact. You can check the weather and water supply of Catalunya, and it is scary. As frank pointed out, we should have to adapt. I guess this is what is in the politicians' minds... because they are aware everything is a disaster regarding climate change.

And yes, it is obvious this is more important than gender issues. I read around the Internet that trans topics are the trend of millennials. I couldn't have said it better. Again, I am sorry on behalf of my generation.
BC April 22, 2024 at 06:06 #898302
Quoting frank
They say it's an illusion that a biological woman can live a normal life as a male


I believe that transsexuals (most are M to F) are living a fantasy, proped up with hormones and in many cases, surgery. At least some, maybe many, are happy with the results. But it's still a fantasy, still a delusion.

Some men (a few women too, I guess) find a great deal of satisfaction in transvestitism--wearing the clothing of the opposite sex. They also seem to find a great deal of satisfaction in wearing the hair/wig clothes, makeup, and miscellaneous accoutrements of the opposite sex. But then they put on their ordinary clothes and go to work.

Many men find a great deal of satisfaction in sculpting a hyper-masculine persona of ripped physiques and extensive tattoos. It likely takes a lot of time, hard labor, and hormones to achieve the most elaborate goals. Wrap-around, neck to knee tattoos are expensive. Attractive? Oh yes, sexy as hell. The average man in today's gay porn (for instance) or some fashion magazines is far beefier, far more defined, nearly hairless, and decorated than average men were in similar photos 55 or 60 years ago.

We humans entertain all sorts of fantasies and delusions about ourselves, about: how masculine / feminine we appear; how beautiful we are; how healthy we are (chewing bushels of kale); how inventive, how holy and good; how politically astute; how smart, how funny, and on and on. We are flawed, but the flaw isn't in fantasizing: the flaw is mistaking the fantasy for reality. The flaw is taking the delusion as truth.
BC April 22, 2024 at 06:13 #898303
Quoting frank
I don't think anybody is going to worry about the climate.


Damn it!
javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 06:15 #898304
Quoting Hanover
I feel like my reference to a pureed cannibal as gazpacho didn't get its due recognition.


Mercadona's gazpacho is pretty good, actually. Don't confuse gazpacho with salmorejo. The latter has bread on it! Both are delicious. I don't know how it is in your countries, but here it is very common to put gazpacho on the menu for weddings... most of the guests are expecting this dish.

Oh, there is also green gazpacho which is made with cucumbers and fruit. It is disgusting.
BC April 22, 2024 at 07:04 #898307
Quoting javi2541997
Although we have to adapt to the challenge of global heating


Some People in the richer cooler areas of the earth will adapt to global warming. People in the hottest parts of India and the Middle East will be dead. Millions in coastal areas will drown or flee, leaving everything behind. millions of people will starve or be unable to find drinking water. Being dead will be their adaptation.

When? We will have to wait a few decades for the world-class climate crises to arrive. Maybe 4 decades--2064, say. If you can move to an area that will be tolerable for the rest of your expected life, start working on that now. Finding a safe refuge is a bit dicey. For instance, if the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation that funnels warm water from the Gulf of Mexico to the shores of Ireland and Norway shuts down (because of Greenland's fresh water pouring into the salty ocean) Europe will not just be cool, it will be colder than it has been in a long time -- several millennia. This could happen on short notice. In that case, hot dry ?España might be better than frigid Norway.

I plan on being dead in a few years. Old age has its advantages.
javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 08:12 #898312
Quoting BC
I plan on being dead in a few years. Old age has its advantages.


This made me feel terribly sad and melancholic after I read it... I understand death is a natural thing, it comes to all of us, and some are closer than others on this site because you are +70 years old. Yet, whenever this happens, I will miss you a lot. :broken:

We should write an obituary when a member of TPF passes away. Unless some of you declare something different in a will. I made a will a few years ago. I have to change it. I feel the people I named as my beneficiaries no longer deserve it.

I am now wondering if someone could name a member of TPF (or the site itself) as beneficiary. I guess I have to name an administrator to meet with the heirs. The administrator of my will and goods will be @T Clark and my will is that I divide the goods among you, my friends.
Hanover April 22, 2024 at 11:26 #898353
Quoting BC
Some People in the richer cooler areas of the earth will adapt to global warming. People in the hottest parts of India and the Middle East will be dead. Millions in coastal areas will drown or flee, leaving everything behind. millions of people will starve or be unable to find drinking water. Being dead will be their adaptation


Perhaps, but why dwell on those who fare poorest? Canada will become a retiree's paradise with its warm summers and mild winters all along Hudson Bay and the Northwest Passage.
Deleted user April 22, 2024 at 12:21 #898364
And Siberia too. We wonder what wonders are under all that ice.

Also, all the "more discussions" involve abolishing something. What is going on.
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frank April 22, 2024 at 12:24 #898365
Quoting BC
The flaw is taking the delusion as truth.


Yep
frank April 22, 2024 at 12:32 #898367
Quoting javi2541997
What I am 100 % certain is that my country is becoming deserted, and some regions are close to be run of water. This is a fact. You can check the weather and water supply of Catalunya, and it is scary.


The Japanese have desalination plants, some for industrial use and some for the water supply. Where are the Spaniards going? Texas?
Hanover April 22, 2024 at 12:58 #898373
Quoting javi2541997
The administrator of my will and goods will be T Clark and my will is that I divide the goods among you, my friends.


My garage is already filled with enough junk.
Hanover April 22, 2024 at 13:02 #898375
Quoting frank
The Japanese have desalination plants


This will increase the available salt supply, which will finally bring salt prices down. I have gone too long with poorly salted eggs and french fries, so I welcome global warming with open arms.
frank April 22, 2024 at 13:06 #898377
Quoting Hanover
This will increase the available salt supply, which will finally bring salt prices down. I have gone too long with poorly salted eggs and french fries, so I welcome global warming with open arms.


Do you just walk around with open arms welcoming it?
Hanover April 22, 2024 at 13:16 #898381
Quoting frank
Do you just walk around with open arms welcoming it?


Sort of like Frankenstein.
javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 13:42 #898387
Quoting frank
Where are the Spaniards going? Texas?


No, mate! Most of us go to Ireland or the UK. There is a good diaspora of Spaniards working there. I even found Spaniards in remote regions or cities like Brighton or Leicester. Texas is very far, and it is expensive to fly there. Thanks for the invitation, anyway. :smile:
I will keep living here. I don't mind if Castilla turns into a desert like Morocco or Tunisia.
javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 13:45 #898389
Quoting Hanover
My garage is already filled with enough junk.


Junk!!!!??? Do you really call junk my 2003 golden medal Madrid regional swimming championship? Ingratitude at its finest!
Deleted user April 22, 2024 at 13:52 #898394
Quoting javi2541997
I don't mind if Castilla turns into a desert like Morocco or Tunisia.


I do!
Michael April 22, 2024 at 13:55 #898396
"Store at room temperature. Best served chilled."

Well now I don't know what to do.
frank April 22, 2024 at 14:07 #898404
Quoting javi2541997
No, mate! Most of us go to Ireland or the UK. There is a good diaspora of Spaniards working there. I even found Spaniards in remote regions or cities like Brighton or Leicester. Texas is very far, and it is expensive to fly there. Thanks for the invitation, anyway. :smile:
I will keep living here. I don't mind if Castilla turns into a desert like Morocco or Tunisia.


I can see you out there hiding in a cave from one of those desert tigers who evolved due to climate change. You're writing in a little journal about Japanese desalination plants and planning your next foray into the market town to see that girl.
javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 14:38 #898415
Quoting Deleted user
I do!


Hey, thanks for caring. I know there have always been quarrels between Castillians and Portuguese... but now times are different, and we are now friends. Olivença is still part of Extremadura, but please, do not care that much about that region... it is very undeveloped. They do not have train connection with Madrid. I mean, it is not a 'loss' whether Olivença is part of Portugal or not.

This week is the 50th anniversary of Revolução dos Cravos. It took part on 25 April 1974. I was born on 25 April 1997. Maybe I was a Portuguese citizens in my past life but I do not have memories of it!

Note: Cravos = Claveles = Carnation.
javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 14:41 #898416
Quoting frank
I can see you out there hiding in a cave from one of those desert tigers who evolved due to climate change. You're writing in a little journal


Spain is the country with the most people living in caves in Europe. It is crazy how many families live in the caves in Granada. I am writing stuff. Not journal papers but fables. :smile:
frank April 22, 2024 at 15:19 #898422
Quoting javi2541997
I am writing stuff. Not journal papers but fables.


Is there a lot of bloodshed?

Quoting javi2541997
Spain is the country with the most people living in caves in Europe.


I don't know what to say about that. Are they cannibals?
Deleted user April 22, 2024 at 15:21 #898423
Quoting frank
Are they cannibals?


Just troglodytes :^)
javi2541997 April 22, 2024 at 15:25 #898425
Quoting frank
Are they cannibals?


There are gypsies (if they count as cannibals)
frank April 22, 2024 at 15:28 #898426
Quoting Deleted user
Just troglodytes :^)


Quoting javi2541997
There are gypsies (if they count as cannibals)


I thought troglodytes lived under ground and gypsies lived in little wooden caravans.
Hanover April 22, 2024 at 17:17 #898442
Quoting Michael
"Store at room temperature. Best served chilled."

Well now I don't know what to do.


Chill your room.
BC April 22, 2024 at 19:30 #898456
If God answers my prayers, then my faith grows.
If God delays the answer, then my patience grows.
If God doesn't answer, it doesn't mean He has left me;
it means something better is destined for me.


I don't know who wrote this drivel, but it is wildly and ridiculously optimistic, especially the last line.
Deleted user April 22, 2024 at 20:36 #898459
Reply to BC That is how religious belief works, especially for Abrahamics. It is called spiritual bypassing in psychology.
wonderer1 April 22, 2024 at 22:05 #898479
Banno April 22, 2024 at 23:30 #898499
Quoting BC
it means something better is destined for me.


Yes, Atheism.
frank April 23, 2024 at 00:05 #898507
Quoting BC
If God answers my prayers, then my faith grows.
If God delays the answer, then my patience grows.
If God doesn't answer, it doesn't mean He has left me;
it means something better is destined for me.

I don't know who wrote this drivel, but it is wildly and ridiculously optimistic, especially the last line.


I think whoever wrote that is ready to drink the coolaid.
Outlander April 23, 2024 at 01:32 #898525
Quoting BC
I don't know who wrote this drivel, but it is wildly and ridiculously optimistic, especially the last line.


No different than "it's always darkest before the dawn". Nothing wrong with giving people hope and life purpose in the form of factual anecdotal possibility, distinct from false hope as would be "everything you desire will occur as you imagine if you believe X or "nothing bad will happen to you if you follow Y", for example.

In fact, it can be argued, on the other hand, believing one knows as absolute fact the ultimate and absolute nature of reality and all possible forms of existence based on what can or has been observed in a man's short, limited life and resulting experience is what is truly ridiculous and close-minded. 1,000 years ago if you told people mankind would be able to communicate with any person anywhere on Earth in an instant or explore the skies and ocean depths as any bird or aquatic creature does, you'd be considered just as absurd and woefully misguided as any atheist today sees you now. That's the thing about man, he's always right. Until he's not. :wink:

Nothing wrong with subscribing to the Socratic philosophy of "The only thing I know is that I know nothing" and keeping an open mind, I'd say. Of course, anything man creates or commandeers (organized religion in this case) is bound to have its dangers and potential for abuse and negative outcome.
Hanover April 23, 2024 at 03:49 #898538
Quoting BC
If God answers my prayers, then my faith grows.
If God delays the answer, then my patience grows.
If God doesn't answer, it doesn't mean He has left me;
it means something better is destined for me.

I don't know who wrote this drivel, but it is wildly and ridiculously optimistic, especially the last line.


The logically omitted possibility is that sometimes his answer is no. It would follow that an all wise God wouldn't help you find your next fix of heroin and an all good God would eventually lead you in the right direction, which would be cause for optimism.

But then there's that pesky monkey wrench of true, undeniable evil.

Outlander April 23, 2024 at 04:04 #898540
Quoting Hanover
But then there's that pesky monkey wrench of true, undeniable evil.


There's an old saying along the lines of "never assume malice toward that which can be adequately explained by stupidity". Not sure if I particularly agree with that, of course it depends on a variety of factors unique to the person or situation, surely.

Still, ignorance is often called evil. For example, a child putting his father in mortal danger because he punished the child, whether appropriately and within reason or not. For example. No? People can be vindictive and outright cruel, sometimes as a response to their environment and it being all they've ever known, sometimes simply for the positive endorphin rush and feeling of "power" over others, perhaps due to having felt powerless throughout a large portion of their life by a despicable person who you happen to remind them of, or perhaps just for the feeling itself. I'm not sure if I'd call these acts inherently (undeniably) "evil". Would you?
javi2541997 April 23, 2024 at 04:35 #898545
Quoting Outlander
Still, ignorance is often called evil. For example, a child putting his father in mortal danger because he punished the child, whether appropriately and within reason or not.


The child in that example is acting deliberately. First, because he didn't behave accordingly, and his father punished him. But instead of redeeming himself, he goes for revenge, putting the father in danger. We have a Karamazov child here. A nihilistic, a little boy who wants to live without rules and moral authority.

BC April 23, 2024 at 05:03 #898547
Reply to javi2541997 A child might well put somebody in mortal danger without understanding the mechanism of 'mortal danger'. A 4 year old might pick up a loaded gun (left out by a stupid adult) and kill his little brother.

Save for the born-psychopath karamozovs of the world, it takes time and a whole batch of bad stuff to produce a nihilist who really has no interest in the moral aspects of life.

So what are we going to do with this young bad actor -- life without parole?
BC April 23, 2024 at 05:16 #898549
Quoting Outlander
it's always darkest before the dawn


It is always darkest before the dawn because 3:30 a.m is only relatively darker than 4:30 a.m., given the increasing light of dawn. Things don't naturally reach rock bottom (the darkest hour) and then rebound. Usually things reach rock bottom and stay there.

I am not a student of the dawn, so I don't know how dark it is just before sunrise. I prefer to let the sun reach somewhere overhead before I get out of bed. I can speak to the darkness between 11:30 p.m. and 3:30 a.m. however. It's pretty damn dark.
BC April 23, 2024 at 05:24 #898551
Reply to Hanover Lacing up everything from heroin to my boots with fentanyl is evil. The Chinese ship a lot of fentanyl precursors to Mexico where it the drug is made and brought into the US by the ton.

Is this a form of chemical warfare? As many as 50,000 people die from Fentanyl ODs every year. It shows up in cocaine, heroin, K, weed, meth, etc. A therapeutic dose is quite tiny; an OD is still not very much.
javi2541997 April 23, 2024 at 06:30 #898557
Quoting BC
A 4 year old might pick up a loaded gun (left out by a stupid adult) and kill his little brother.


One thing is picking up a loaded gun, and the other is to kill a person. The first action is done without any interest. The second goes deliberately. We often take for granted that toddlers are not ready to understand what is bad, good, evil, unethical, etc. But I think we make a big mistake here. I would say with boldness that there have been innate negative thoughts since we were kids, such as envy and revenge.

I have always picked up a knife in my kitchen, but I have never had the aim of killing a family member.

Quoting BC
So what are we going to do with this young bad actor -- life without parole?


No! I understand he has to be jailed for a considerable time. This is a big debate, but I am against life without parole. Every criminal and every felony are different, but when we are talking about familiar crimes, such as fratricide, we should look at this from a different perspective. At least, I will give my best to redeem the soul of the child...

It doesn't matter if he is in or out of prison. He will carry with him the sordid sense of guilt for killing his brother for the rest of his life. What kind of punishment is worse than this?
Hanover April 23, 2024 at 11:19 #898571
Quoting javi2541997
He will carry with him the sordid sense of guilt for killing his brother for the rest of his life.


Unless you're just projecting your sense of empathy on a psychopath.

It would be a wonderful world if malice were just bad judgment, where if only people were tempered enough to have thought through the consequences of their actions they wouldn't have committed them.

What of the kid who is happy he killed his parents, or those who never gave it a second thought?

javi2541997 April 23, 2024 at 11:57 #898577
Quoting Hanover
What of the kid who is happy he killed his parents, or those who never gave it a second thought?


I knew I would read a similar question, but you already answered it, Hanover:

Quoting Hanover
Unless you're just projecting your sense of empathy on a psychopath.


If the child doesn't have regret after killing a parent or sibling, he is clearly mentally ill. This is very difficult to proceed with. We can at least agree that psychopathy is an illness.
I understand this child deserves to be punished by the law anyway. But what would be more rational? Put him in prison or in a mental sanatorium?

Furthermore, what is the point of life sentencing without parole to a sick child with a low sense of reality? Don't you think?

What if he attacks other prisoners when he is locked in?
Hanover April 23, 2024 at 12:46 #898586
Quoting javi2541997
Furthermore, what is the point of life sentencing without parole to a sick child with a low sense of reality? Don't you think?


This is the "why do we put imprison?" question. Is it to rehabilitate, to punish, to deter others, to just incapacitate the offender? I think it's usually a combination of all these things.

If you have a child who kills his parents, we'd like to make him better, we'd like to teach him a lesson, we'd like to let others know that sort of behavior won't be tolerated, and we'd like to protect society from him.

I'm not necessarily a fan of just sorting the good from the bad and locking down the bad, but I also have a limited appetite for accomodating bad behavior and I only can shed so many tears for the predators.
javi2541997 April 23, 2024 at 13:53 #898590
Quoting Hanover
but I also have a limited appetite for accomodating bad behavior and I only can shed so many tears for the predators.


I feel the same, but I tried to give a different view on something complex like putting a toddler in prison. Our criminal procedure doesn't allow us to lock kids in prison. They can only be locked down in a 'probation centre' until the young criminal is 18 years old and is transferred to a prison. What I disagree is with proceeding against a child if he was like an adult. I think this is a mistake.

Anyway, this is a serious and difficult task for every court/judge in countries where the guarantees of being legally assisted are assured.

I didn't want to go for the easiest way: yeah, lock him up for life because a 9 years old has the same sense of reality and awareness of his actions as a 35 years old.
Hanover April 23, 2024 at 14:13 #898592
Quoting javi2541997
I feel the same, but I tried to give a different view on something complex like putting a toddler in prison. Our criminal procedure doesn't allow us to lock kids in prison.


The toddler example challenges the element of intent, where we set an age where we don't believe people have the requisite understanding of the consequences of their actions to hold them fully accountable. The age is officially 18, although some jurisdictions allow for 17 and when it's younger than that, the judge can decide if they should be tried as an adult, but I don't think it ever gets younger than 15, but I'm not sure.

It's for the same reason you have things like statutory rape laws where it is assumed someone below a certain age cannot consent because they cannot understand the consequences of their actions.

What's interesting is that it used to be that the less sophisticated the jurisdiction, the lower the age of consent was for sex. Rural states kept that age very low and industrialized states kept the age higher. Today it's flipped, where the less sophisticated states have become conservative and have increased the age of consent and the other states (and Europe) have dropped the age.
javi2541997 April 23, 2024 at 14:51 #898604
Quoting Hanover
It's for the same reason you have things like statutory rape laws where it is assumed someone below a certain age cannot consent because they cannot understand the consequences of their actions.


Exactly. This is the point I wanted to state: a child should not be punished by the law like an adult because he doesn't fully understand the consequences of a felony. But I am not attempting to defend exclusiveness but 'contra bonos mores' for acting against a basic knowledge of morality (if a child has some).

Quoting Hanover
What's interesting is that it used to be that the less sophisticated the jurisdiction, the lower the age of consent was for sex.


Yeah, and this is one of the main topics which intrigued me the most about civil law. You can get married at just 14 years old here, but for sexual consent, it is needed at 16–18 years old. Another interesting fact is the law only refers to girls and not boys. I guess this is due to females being prone to suffer more sexual harassment than boys statistically.

The Roman Empire allowed children at just 12 years old to get a scope of supply thanks to 'venia aetis'. Nonetheless, Roman legislators considered it mature enough for a person at only 14 years old.

The span object of debate about consent was always that: 12, 14, 16, 18 or even 21 years old. As you explained, there were differences between rural and industrialised areas.

But the curiosity is that most of the legislation limited one age or another to consent to marriage, but not sex, because the latter was implicit.
(Don't have sex until the wedding!), yet now it is different (at least here). There are more barriers to consent towards sex acts.
unenlightened April 23, 2024 at 19:22 #898630
I appeal in the name of pedantry that the title "The Breadth of the Moral Sphere" be changed to "The Diameter of the Moral Sphere".
Paine April 23, 2024 at 19:41 #898634
Reply to unenlightened
Is that for the sake of saving expressions like: "The Depth of his Moral Depravity?
Leontiskos April 24, 2024 at 03:47 #898747
jorndoe April 24, 2024 at 04:59 #898767
Continuing on from Apr 18, 2024 ...

'Who put Marjorie Taylor Greene in charge?' Conservative media sours on far-right rep
[sup]— Carl Gibson · AlterNet · Apr 23, 2024[/sup]

:D good grief what a circus

unenlightened April 24, 2024 at 14:12 #898861
Quoting Paine
Is that for the sake of saving expressions like: "The Depth of his Moral Depravity?


As long as the depth is measured in fathoms, (unless it is unfathomable, of course), I have no problem with the depth of moral depravity, unless it it claimed to be spherical in which case the radius would be its maximal depth.
Paine April 24, 2024 at 15:48 #898883
Reply to unenlightened
Now Dante sort of had an underground parking garage. Does that give a finite depth with an infinite capacity to expand horizontally as generations piled on? Talk about a growth industry.
Leontiskos April 24, 2024 at 20:58 #898918
Reply to jorndoe - I think you are underestimating the difference in the Overton window. Beyond that, I think scientists tend to make for poor leaders, so I don't accept the idea that if a leader is not a scientist or acquiescing to popular science this will make him a poor leader (I don't know anything about Mike Johnson). Leadership (and politics) is about making prudential decisions, weighing interests, and being capable of avoiding absolutizing approaches. It's about being able to make and stand behind difficult decisions that will not be popular with everyone.
jorndoe April 25, 2024 at 00:55 #898949
Reply to Leontiskos, it's not about being a scientist (at all), it's about being reasonably well-informed, and not putting childish superstitions above evidence + reason. In particular as a public servant, in principle an employee of the rest of the population.

Quoting Apr 18, 2024
While one might argue that he can still function well as a politician, the former alone is kind of damning, sufficiently reality-removed to disqualify for public office. One might value dissidence, yet ...


I'd take it that an elected official would meet a minimal baseline. But, hey, a societal decline explains it well enough. Greene is just another fine circus clown. Will we see dome-flat-Earth'ers making grand decisions as elected politicians next? :D Maybe it's a postmodernist type thing.

jorndoe April 25, 2024 at 02:02 #898961
Can anyone make sense of this?

The Integrated Triad
A derivation of the Trinity within our rational comprehension.
[sup]— Johanan Raatz · Mar 26, 2017 · 8m:48s[/sup]

There are some comments here and there by the author.

DifferentiatingEgg April 25, 2024 at 18:23 #899045
Reply to jorndoe Yes, it uses solid theories and slams them all together with some hyperbole to argue a thesis that cannot be currently proven. But science has hinted at lots of interesting things in the past century.
Hanover April 25, 2024 at 20:24 #899055
Anyone here run 5ks, and if so, what is your time? My goal is around 28 minutes, which is pretty slow, but at least I show up and do it, right?
Pantagruel April 25, 2024 at 22:59 #899068
Reply to Hanover I used to run a whole lot, but the further past 50 I go the more challenging it becomes. I would be over the moon to run a 28 minute 5 k these days. Go for it! It's a respectable clip. :)
BC April 26, 2024 at 00:20 #899083
Reply to Hanover I used to jog 7 miles to work -- maybe 3 times a week. The best 3 miles (5k) took me about 36 minutes, maybe 32 on a good day. The last 4 miles was slower. I was 38 at the time. I also bicycled and swam.

Double the age now that I was then, and running anywhere is pretty much a distant memory.

If you are doing a 5k for your health, great. The important thing (for your health) is to keep moving, and move hard enough to increase / maintain cardio and major muscle capacity over time.

To get a target heart rate, subtract your age from 220. Then multiply the result by .50, .65, .75, or 85. The result is your target heart rate. So, for a 50 year old whose fitness level is unknown, it's 220-50 x .65 or 85 beats per minute. That's where an otherwise healthy person might start out, running just hard enough to maintain 85 bpm for 10 or 15 minutes.

If you already exercise regularly and don't have health problems, you might try for a heart rate of 127 bpm. 144 bpm would be 85% of the maximum heart rate.

The idea is to start exercising at a rate below 85% of maximum, and over time work up to 85%. Then, try to maintain an exercise level where your heart rate remains close to 85% for something like 30 minutes. No pain, no gain? Nobody's life was improved by having a heart attack, so don't start at the top.

Only the young athlete should think about exceeding 85%.
Leontiskos April 26, 2024 at 00:49 #899088
Quoting jorndoe
it's not about being a scientist (at all), it's about being reasonably well-informed, and not putting childish superstitions above evidence + reason.


Sure it is. You think he is a poor official because he does not assent to the scientific theory of evolution. Or to quote myself, it is the idea that, "if a leader is not a scientist or acquiescing to popular science this will make him a poor leader."

Presumably this is your argument:

  1. Evolution is rational.
  2. Those who do not assent to Evolution are not rational.
  3. Those who are not rational should not be in public office.


What I am pointing to is a validity problem, where science-rationality and politics-rationality are two different kinds of rationality. So failure to assent to Evolution is not a litmus test for a candidate receiving my vote. But again, I think the Overton window is the bigger issue.
Deleted user April 26, 2024 at 01:08 #899097
Quoting Leontiskos
where science-rationality and politics-rationality are two different kinds of rationality


That nonetheless have many things in common. Among others: avoiding non-sequuntur, knowing how to write and read clearly, considering alternate points of view, etc.
Leontiskos April 26, 2024 at 01:32 #899105
Reply to Deleted user - There are overlaps and some cross-influence, but at least in American politics the options tend to be extremely limited. For example, in the next Presidential election I will probably get to choose between Biden and Trump (!). There are about a hundred things I would want to look at before considering their views on Evolution, and they will generally relate more directly to politics-rationality.
Deleted user April 26, 2024 at 11:28 #899167
Reply to Leontiskos I think that the point is that, for most people, believing that the Earth is 5k years old is a bit like not knowing how many countries border your own. That sort of thing which undermines the trust in someone's ability to make good decisions.
Hanover April 26, 2024 at 12:04 #899191
Quoting BC
I used to jog 7 miles to work -- maybe 3 times a week. The best 3 miles (5k) took me about 36 minutes, maybe 32 on a good day. The last 4 miles was slower. I was 38 at the time. I also bicycled and swam.


They had a shower at your work? That is actually pretty impressive, making me think you were either very competitive and obsessive about your health or dealing with depression and anxiety. I say that only because I think to the time when I used to do kickboxing, and I would go back to back to back sessions, spending two hours in hard core cardio to where I could barely walk to the car when it was over. I had my own competition in my head with all those around me where I was working harder than everyone else.

I was in amazing shape, but not so much from the neck up. But I overshare.

Quoting BC
Only the young athlete should think about exceeding 85%.


My heart rate will get up to 185-190 on the elliptical machine. I slow down when I see stars. I can see the people's machines next to mine and they can't get that high. I totally kick their ass and they're like half my age. They're losing so bad they don't even know there's a race going on.
Pantagruel April 26, 2024 at 12:18 #899195
Quoting Hanover
My heart rate will get up to 185-190 on the elliptical machine. I slow down when I see stars. I can see the people's machines next to mine and they can't get that high. I totally kick their ass and they're like half my age. They're losing so bad they don't even know there's a race going on.


My HR hits 180 when I push. The 225 minus age calculation doesn't work well for trained athletes. However I did see a youtube last week that cited a study where older athletes who continued to do intensive "threshold" training have a higher than average incidence of cardiac events.
Barkon April 26, 2024 at 12:57 #899209
Thanks for allowing me to join this board. I hope to contribute well and abide by all the rules. You make the place look great, it's really good to read from the sidelines, and the place is moderated optimally. I will enjoy my time as a member. Good luck folks.
jorndoe April 26, 2024 at 13:01 #899211
Quoting Leontiskos
the scientific theory of evolution


Johnson holds that the Earth is half a dozen 1000 years old. The universe, too. Sure, I guess biological evolution is out the window then (which, granted, it likely is in any case here). For that matter, his reading of the Bible comes first, before (the laws of) the US. I suppose a sliding Overton window is a good description (assuming I understand it right).

javi2541997 April 26, 2024 at 14:59 #899239
Reply to Barkon The Shoutbox is the place to admit that you actually masturbated as Shinji did the first time you saw Asuka naked...

When was the last time I saw Neon Genesis Evangelion? Maybe years. This anime traumatised me...
jorndoe April 26, 2024 at 15:43 #899242
Quoting javi2541997
It is crazy how many families live in the caves in Granada.


:D Lovely spot by the way. My last visit to Spain was Peñíscola, another lovely, albeit tourist'y, spot. Some of the restaurants in the castle area make great paella. :ok: In-land from there has that beautiful Spanish countryside, nature, scattered villages.

javi2541997 April 26, 2024 at 16:38 #899244
Reply to jorndoe Wow! Thanks for your appreciation for my country, man. I only tend to read negative comments about Spain (except for Jamal because he lived in Valencia, and Lionino, who is an Iberian loyalist).

Quoting jorndoe
My last visit to Spain was Peñíscola, another lovely, albeit tourist'y, spot


Yeah, Castellón is a pretty province and Peñíscola one of its gems. It is the most unknown region, because tourists tend to go to Alicante or Valencia.

Quoting jorndoe
great paella


I dislike Paella haha. But, yes, they are the masters of this dish.

Quoting jorndoe
In-land from there has that beautiful Spanish countryside, nature, scattered villages.


:up: :smile:

I recommend you to visit Cabo de Palos (Murcia) or Polop de la Marina. Not touristic zones and very friendly places.
Hanover April 26, 2024 at 17:53 #899251
Quoting jorndoe
Lovely spot by the way. My last visit to Spain was Peñíscola, another lovely, albeit tourist'y, spot.


I've been to Pensacola. Never had a Penis Cola though.
BC April 26, 2024 at 18:48 #899255
Quoting Hanover
They had a shower at your work?


Yes, on campus -- an athletics department building next to where I worked. I was a bit compulsive and heading towards major depression, but wasn't quite there yet. I was about as fit then as I ever would be. Fit feels good.

When I had a Y membership, I liked the stairclimber and rowing machine.
Deleted user April 26, 2024 at 21:32 #899275
Quoting javi2541997
The Shoutbox is the place to admit that you actually masturbated as Shinji did the first time you saw Asuka naked...


Another incredibly based post, as usual.
Leontiskos April 26, 2024 at 22:48 #899286
Quoting jorndoe
For that matter, his reading of the Bible comes first, before (the laws of) the US.


I mean, the list of things you gave read like something out of a partisan tabloid, and so it's hard to give them credence without proper substantiation. For instance, I opened an article from The Guardian on Johnson's supposed "theocracy." I only skimmed the article for quotations, but the evidence looks paper-thin. Here are the two primary quotations that are given:

  • “Well, go pick up a Bible off your shelf and read it. That’s my worldview.”
  • “You know, we don’t live in a democracy” but a “biblical” republic.


"Therefore, Johnson is a theocrat. QED." :chin:

In the U.S. "theocrat" basically means, "He's religious and I disagree with him politically."
BC April 27, 2024 at 00:04 #899302
Quoting javi2541997
The Shoutbox is the place to admit that you actually masturbate


We could do a poll, but what's the point? It's like conducting a survey to find out whether forum participants breathe. As they sang in HAIR! the American Tribal Love-Rock Musical, 1968.

Masturbation
Can be fun
Join the holy orgy
Kama Sutra
Everyone!
Paine April 27, 2024 at 01:32 #899324
Reply to BC
I will sip upon a beer and imagine I am having an equal amount of fun.
javi2541997 April 27, 2024 at 06:16 #899369
Quoting BC
We could do a poll, but what's the point?


Agreed, BC. Polls are useless. More if the subject of the polls is political elections.

Quoting BC
Tribal Love-Rock Musical, 1968.

Masturbation
Can be fun
Join the holy orgy
Kama Sutra
Everyone!


:lol:

1968. The 1960s... LSD, masturbation, orgies, hippies, flowers against the Vietnam War, etc. The good old golden times which will never come back again...
javi2541997 April 27, 2024 at 06:22 #899371
Quoting Deleted user
Another incredibly based post, as usual.


I am very happy to notice you are already used to my weird posts. Why didn't I get banned then? Because I handed 1 Kg of Bomba rice to Jamal and Baden as a bribe.
Tom Storm April 27, 2024 at 07:18 #899375
Quoting BC
I used to jog 7 miles to work -- maybe 3 times a week. The best 3 miles (5k) took me about 36 minutes, maybe 32 on a good day. The last 4 miles was slower. I was 38 at the time. I also bicycled and swam.


Wow. Impressive. I ran to catch a train once and it nearly killed me. I don't believe I have actually properly run since around 1981-82.

Curiously, my friends are mostly getting fat and dying. I lost a vegetarian athlete friend who had a massive stroke at 42. Other friends have been dying off from cancer, heart disease and depression/suicide. All of them went to gyms and worried about what they ate. I don't give a shit about any of that (although I have an innate dislike of sugar, soft drinks, fatty foods and red meat) and I weigh what I did when I was 20. On the other hand, living to the age of 98 like my father did fills me with horror. I am already bored now (for the most part) and can't imagine 40 more years.
fdrake April 27, 2024 at 12:03 #899398
Reply to Barkon

I hope you have a good time here!
Deleted user April 27, 2024 at 15:24 #899436
Quoting javi2541997
Because I handed 1 Kg of Bomba rice to Jamal and Baden as a bribe.


If you were Colombian, it would be 1kg of something else.
javi2541997 April 27, 2024 at 15:48 #899438
Quoting Deleted user
If you were Colombian, it would be 1kg of something else.


Oh! A riddle! I love them. Let me guess...

1kg of Quindío coffee?
Deleted user April 27, 2024 at 15:51 #899441
Quoting javi2541997
1kg of Quindío coffee?


Bingo!
jorndoe April 27, 2024 at 16:08 #899444
Welcome to, Reply to Barkon.
Here you'll find a good lot of smart people, some grumpy old-timers, and such.
Hang your virtual coat in the virtual lobby, grab a virtual coffee, enjoy. :)

Barkon April 27, 2024 at 16:20 #899448
Thank you for your welcomes.

I'll be careful don't worry :)
BC April 27, 2024 at 19:37 #899493
Quoting Tom Storm
Curiously, my friends are mostly getting fat and dying. I lost a vegetarian athlete friend who had a massive stroke at 42. Other friends have been dying off from cancer, heart disease and depression/suicide. All of them went to gyms and worried about what they ate.


There are some worrisome trends. One is from a 10 year trend--young people (in their 30s and 40s) dying from colorectal cancer. One of my nephews--otherwise healthy--died of that at 42. That type of cancer used to be a rarity in people under 60.

Deaths among my peers (late 70s) are a fact of life. Quite a few of my classmates from high school are dead. In 2021, the average age at death for white men was 76.8.

My father lived to 102. I do not want to live that long. How long? Hard to pick a number. 80? 90? I am curious about what will happen next -- to the climate, the economy, politics, society in general. I still enjoying learning. The major downside of old age for me is physical deterioration impeding mobility, independent living, and all that. For others it's clearly mental deterioration. Which is worse?

Geez, surely there are less depressing things to talk about!
Noble Dust April 28, 2024 at 02:30 #899556
Hello my children.
Outlander April 28, 2024 at 03:02 #899560
Quoting Noble Dust
Hello my children.


Don't you have a short story to write? :smirk:

[hide="Reveal"][/hide]
fdrake April 28, 2024 at 10:31 #899624
https://www.envmart.com/super-sucker-cum-jetting-machine-12000-ltrs/cp25717penv3c1718b

This is the best product name for one of those vans with a suction pipe ever.

It's a super sucker!
It's a jetting machine!
It's a super sucker cum jetting machine!
wonderer1 April 28, 2024 at 10:45 #899627
Reply to fdrake

800- 6000Cum/Hr


Talk about multiorgasmic!



Barkon April 28, 2024 at 20:16 #899784
Subtlety is the best honesty.
Deleted user April 28, 2024 at 21:03 #899799
Yesterday I went to a double-birthday. Small little party, some 10 people in an apartment. The variety of alcohol was too diverse and the quality too poor it seems. At the end of it everybody in the party was puking or had puked. Me, my close friend, and some Greek guy were the last people standing. Just built different. Great night.
Hanover April 29, 2024 at 01:28 #899866
As an American, I felt it my duty to watch a western, especially a John Wayne movie, because I don't think I'd ever seen one before. I watched The Searchers, a movie about some Comanches that lured some Texas ranchers away from home so they could burn it to the ground, murder the men and older woman left behind, and steal away the young women. The ensuing rape was implied.

The Comanches' motive was revenge for the murder of their family at some point in the past. John Wayne's character's (Ethan) motive was also revenge, which he ultimately got, saving who he could and killing the leader Comanche.

Everyone was equally brutal and racist. Ethan tried to kill one of his own family members who had been kidnapped because she had been sullied sexually by a Comanche and he despised another family member for being a "half-breed," because he was part Native American.

Ethan was bitter, vengeful, had been a former insurgent (fought for the Confederacy), and refused to take an oath as a Texas Ranger because he remained in rebellion. In short, he was a dick.

The movie was from 1956, so I don't know what it meant to say. Was I to buy into the idea that the Indians were barbarians? Was I to challenge that notion? Was I to admire Ethan's rugged individualism? Was I to admire the Comanche chief's commitment to his cause, even as he showed off his scalpings? Was the whole thing apolitical and just showing the stark reality of a Darwinistic lawless frontier?

Topical, right?

Any other westerns someone might recommend?
Tom Storm April 29, 2024 at 04:23 #899883
Quoting Hanover
Any other westerns someone might recommend?


Nice. The Searchers is considered one of the greatest golden era movies of all time by one of the greatest auteurs, John Ford. Scorsese worships this film. The only westerns I like are made by Italians.
javi2541997 April 29, 2024 at 04:31 #899886
Quoting Hanover
As an American, I felt it my duty to watch a western, especially a John Wayne movie...


Agreed, Hanover. Yet we have a special channel for Western movies. It continuously shows movies by Sergio Leone or other 'Spaghetti Western' works. I think they have a good appreciation because they were filmed here.

Quoting Hanover
Any other westerns someone might recommend?


Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Pretty good, emotional and melancholic. It is far from a 'topical' Western movie, but it is a Western one.
javi2541997 April 29, 2024 at 04:34 #899887
By the way, what did happen to @Baden and Wolfgang? They have been missing for nearly two weeks. :sad:
Baden April 29, 2024 at 05:19 #899891
Reply to javi2541997

No idea. Perhaps gone underground?
Baden April 29, 2024 at 05:23 #899892
Hamsters tend to dislike the human world. It's vicious and ugly and getting more so by the day.

They do tend to resurface now and then though.

[Source: The Penguin Guide to Hamsters, p. 294]
Baden April 29, 2024 at 05:31 #899893
Incidentally, penguins don't like the human world either. They'd rather freeze their nuts off than have anything to do with it.

[Source: The Hamster Guide to Penguins, p.294]

Disclaimer: Avian anatomy is not a Hamster's strong point.
javi2541997 April 29, 2024 at 06:22 #899895
Reply to Baden A post by Baden (and Wolfgang) this morning! At 08:24 AM! Monday will be a magnificent day! Indeed! :heart:

Quoting Baden
Hamsters tend to dislike the human world. It's vicious and ugly and getting more so by the day.


It is completely understandable. The human world is ropey and corrupt. It is full of viciousness and lacks ethical standards.

Quoting Baden
[Source: The Hamster Guide to Penguins, p.294]


I am searching for this holy book in my local bookstores. They say it is not translated yet. So I will ask for a shipment from Kennys. :heart:
Baden April 29, 2024 at 08:00 #899901
Reply to javi2541997

:smile: :up:
jorndoe April 29, 2024 at 14:37 #899994
Not spiders. ;) Neat discoveries though.

Signs of spiders from Mars
[sup]— ESA · Apr 24, 2024[/sup]
Hundreds of black 'spiders' spotted in mysterious 'Inca City' on Mars in new satellite photos
[sup]— Stephanie Pappas · Live Science · Apr 25, 2024[/sup]

Hanover April 30, 2024 at 02:02 #900125
Reply to Baden When I was a kid we put penguin nuts on our ice cream. They tasted like walnuts, just fishier.

After a while we grew tired of nutting penguins and we started using puppy nuts from the local neuterama. Tasted like walnuts, just rawhidier.
javi2541997 April 30, 2024 at 04:38 #900146
Quoting Hanover
local neuterama.


I can't find what a 'neuterama' is on the Internet. It hasn't an equivalent word to Spanish. It seems like a zoo or pet shop. But I urgently need to know what a 'neuterama' is, because I tend to suffer anxiety when I read words that I can't understand.

PD: I just found this: What is a “Neuterama?” For the last 8 years, my CARE Cat program has recruited veterinary professionals from within our community to volunteer their vital time and skills to spay and neuter cats in need. https://winnipeghumanesociety.ca/another-great-year-for-neuterama-2020/

I think I now understand what Neuterama could mean.
wonderer1 April 30, 2024 at 10:58 #900210
Reply to javi2541997

castración station
javi2541997 April 30, 2024 at 11:39 #900223
Quoting wonderer1
castración station


:scream:

Yikes! That word started to get a spooky vibe...
wonderer1 April 30, 2024 at 14:02 #900245
Quoting javi2541997
Yikes! That word started to get a spooky vibe...


I guess you don't want to hear about when I was a kid holding the port side legs of a piglet, while my brother handled the starboard side, and my father approached the aft end.
javi2541997 April 30, 2024 at 14:27 #900253
Reply to wonderer1 Farming life experiences like that cause me a heavy and painful stomachache. Although I am not vegetarian and I probably ate a considerable number of piglets, I have empathy when castration is applied to animals. I know it is for their own good. But I tend to be sensitive about them...
unenlightened April 30, 2024 at 17:21 #900280
Quoting javi2541997
I know it is for their own good.


You know it isn't, but for the farmer's good. But we no longer do it to human boys for the pleasure of the singing voices of castrati. That's progress.
Hanover April 30, 2024 at 21:39 #900354
Quoting javi2541997
I can't find what a 'neuterama' is on the Internet.


You can find it here, which is the internet. I had thought I made the word up. There aren't enough words for me to express my thoughts sometimes. It's hard to be me.

Sir2u May 01, 2024 at 00:43 #900405
Quoting wonderer1
I guess you don't want to hear about when I was a kid holding the port side legs of a piglet, while my brother handled the starboard side, and my father approached the aft end.


Things are looking up around here, now we have nautical farmyard reference. :rofl:
javi2541997 May 01, 2024 at 04:14 #900446
Quoting Hanover
You can find it here, which is the internet.


What does happen when I can't find it on the Internet either?

Quoting Hanover
It's hard to be me.


Yes, indeed.
javi2541997 May 01, 2024 at 08:00 #900477
So, my father has just arrived home from Málaga. He usually goes to work at Andalucía thanks to AVE (our beautiful and off-white train).

Anyway, he bought a present in a souvenir shop in the Málaga train station. He gave me a pair of cute and cosy socks.

But there is currently being a big debate in the kitchen about what vegetable - or fruit - is sewn in the sock.
I say it is a tomato but my father states it is a strawberry.

I told him I would search for some consensus in TPF...

What do you guys think? Tomato or strawberry?

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Outlander May 01, 2024 at 08:19 #900479
Reply to javi2541997

If that's what tomatoes look like where you come from, I'd contact your local agricultural administration immediately. Right after a doctor.

Strawberries have a pitted rough exterior that whoever manufactured those items of apparel attempted, woefully, to replicate.

So yeah. Strawberry for sure.
javi2541997 May 01, 2024 at 08:52 #900483
Quoting Outlander
I'd contact your local agricultural administration immediately.


They'd answer you 'they are the best tomatoes ever!' :sweat:

Quoting Outlander
Strawberries have a pitted rough exterior that whoever manufactured those items of apparel attempted, woefully, to replicate.


I thought the same at first glance. But the green stem seems too big for a strawberry...

Quoting Outlander
So yeah. Strawberry for sure.


+1 for strawberry sock! It is the main choice at the moment!
Hanover May 01, 2024 at 09:50 #900487
Reply to javi2541997 Watermelon.
javi2541997 May 01, 2024 at 10:17 #900491
Quoting Hanover
Watermelon.


'Watermelon' was not set in the beginning. Yet looking closer to my pretty socks, the fruit/vegetable sewn on them could be a watermelon as well...
javi2541997 May 01, 2024 at 10:18 #900492
Now, we have another element in the debate: a watermelon.

Watermelon? Strawberry? Tomato?

Please people! Hurry up! Or I have the risk of not eating noodles today.
Hanover May 01, 2024 at 12:12 #900501
Quoting javi2541997
Watermelon? Strawberry? Tomato?


Whatever ambiguity there might be in terms of what sort of socks they are, one thing is for certain. They are ruggedly masculine.
unenlightened May 01, 2024 at 13:59 #900523
Reply to javi2541997 So eat them and tell us the right answer. I reckon it's a sparkling lava flow enveloping the jungle slopes of Mt. Somewhere. Guaranteed to keep your feet as warm as anything. Why would anyone want fruit on their feet?
Hanover May 01, 2024 at 14:07 #900525
Quoting unenlightened
You know it isn't, but for the farmer's good. But we no longer do it to human boys for the pleasure of the singing voices of castrati. That's progress.


I read that mules must be castrated or they go wild and are out of control. You're not even allowed to bring an uncastated mule to your muling events due to their disruptions, assuming you go to muling events. https://www.ruralheritage.com/new_rh_website/resources/mules_donkeys/gelding_john_mule.shtml

Whether a mule is happier castrated, I don't know. I would suspect the lady donkeys and horses are happier without a bucking mule coming at them. I know I would be.
javi2541997 May 01, 2024 at 14:16 #900530
Quoting unenlightened
So eat them and tell us the right answer.


I didn't know what to eat for supper this night, but that idea is tempting... leave me a few hours alone in the kitchen and I will tell you the result.

Quoting unenlightened
Why would anyone want fruit on their feet?


True. The correct place for fruit is our noses.
BC May 02, 2024 at 01:53 #900660
Quoting Hanover
I read that mules must be castrated or they go wild and are out of control.


Mules (the 4 legged animal with big ears, not the shoe--see picture) are pretty big and strong, the better to trample people with. Gelded or intact, mules tend to be bitter and resentful because of their perverse parentage, sterility, and low social status. Donkeys don't get good press, either. It all goes to horses.

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Would a fashion minded mule want to wear mules like these?
jorndoe May 02, 2024 at 17:32 #900821
Minimalism is a scam created by big small to sell more less.


Hanover May 02, 2024 at 17:55 #900825
Quoting BC
Would a fashion minded mule want to wear mules like these?


I was unaware of the word to describe a shoe with no back to contain the heel. Now I know and my life that much closer to complete.

I did a little reading about mules, and I learned that typically mules are not shoed like horses, although you would shoe a mule if you were to take him on rocky journeys. If shoed with a mule, then they'd be muled I suppose.

Your question then is whether you would mule a mule. I would start by asking if you're referring to a molly mule or a jack mule. If a jack, then only if a drag jack, but if a molly, only if a fashonista molly. I would suggest a pastel saddle mule for Easter, leaving your Oreo model for brunch with the other mollies, perhaps while sipping a mimosa.

Deleted user May 02, 2024 at 17:55 #900826
I am in favour of usurping "begs the question" from philosophical vocabulary and promoting the way it is used colloquially.
javi2541997 May 02, 2024 at 18:24 #900835
Reply to Deleted user And what is the word - or way - which is used colloquially? :chin:
Deleted user May 02, 2024 at 18:32 #900838
Reply to javi2541997 Well, literally. It makes us ask something. "Saying God created us begs the question who created God."
javi2541997 May 02, 2024 at 18:41 #900844
Reply to Deleted user I don't think I am following you... But it is not your fault. I am just too stupid when I have to apply meta-linguistics.
Deleted user May 02, 2024 at 18:46 #900846
Quoting javi2541997
I am just too stupid when I have to apply meta-linguistics.


:meh:

Here https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/beg-the-question
First line is how people use it
Second line is the philosophical definition
javi2541997 May 02, 2024 at 18:52 #900849
Reply to Deleted user O!

Okay, I now understand you. Thanks for taking your time to explain to me. :smile:
jorndoe May 02, 2024 at 22:25 #900902
Someone handed me this report, haven't had time to go over it yet, maybe someone will find it worthwhile

The Corruption of the American Mind: How Foreign Funding in U.S. Higher Education by Authoritarian Regimes, Widely Undisclosed, Predicts Erosion of Democratic Norms and Antisemitic Incidents on Campus
[sup]— NCRI · Nov 6, 2023 · 53 pages[/sup]

javi2541997 May 03, 2024 at 04:22 #900977
I just wake up, and I see there are different threads flowing around on the main page from the same user: @Scarecow

A bot or a motivated TPF learner/apprentice? The time will let us know...

Breakfast: coffee and magdalenas.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 07:43 #901000
Quoting javi2541997
I just wake up, and I see there are different threads flowing around on the main page from the same user: Scarecow

A bot or a motivated TPF learner/apprentice? The time will let us know...


Thank you for bringing this to my attention Javi. The situation is being closely monitored.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 07:47 #901001
Oh, breakfast.

Grilled cheese sandwich with two slices of ham in the middle.

There's a problem with this sandwich, which is that the ham doesn't submit to the teeth as easily as the cheese, and to make this even worse, the ham gains no traction within its pocket of unctuous, slippery, melted cheese. The result is that the thing is always on the cusp of collapse without a level of ongoing maintenance that prevents full enjoyment.

But ham and melted cheese are combined in famously good sandwiches, such as the croque monsieur. What is the secret of their construction?
javi2541997 May 03, 2024 at 08:12 #901005
Reply to Jamal No worries, Jamal! I am happy if I can be useful often. :grin:

Quoting Jamal
But ham and melted cheese are combined in famously good sandwiches, such as the croque monsieur. What is the secret of their construction?


:up:

I guess simplicity is what attract people the most. Mixing ham and melted cheese is a simple act which everybody can do. It is a statement of the freedom that everyone has in their own kitchen.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 08:17 #901006
Quoting javi2541997
I guess simplicity is what attract people the most. Mixing ham and melted cheese is a simple act which everybody can do. It is a statement of the freedom that everyone has in their own kitchen.


Fine words, but do they answer my question?
javi2541997 May 03, 2024 at 08:46 #901007
Quoting Jamal
Fine words, but do they answer my question?


Jamal: What is the secret of their construction?

Javi: Its simplicity.

That's what I understand as an answer to your question. Am I close to the answer you were looking for?
Banno May 03, 2024 at 09:04 #901009
Quoting Jamal
What is the secret of their construction?


A Breville sandwich toaster.

Neat little sealed pockets.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 09:43 #901011
Quoting javi2541997
That's what I understand as an answer to your question. Am I close to the answer you were looking for?


You’re some kind of sandwich mystic, and that makes me suspicious.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 09:44 #901012
Quoting Banno
A Breville sandwich toaster


Hm. I have big doubts.
Hanover May 03, 2024 at 12:05 #901023
A mild sanding to roughen the surface of the ham to gain adhesion of the cheese upon melting is one solution. A kitchen sander is uncommon, but well worth it for the demanding ham and cheese sandwich architect.
Banno May 03, 2024 at 12:26 #901025
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javi2541997 May 03, 2024 at 12:39 #901028
Reply to Banno :yum:

Enjoy your yummy sandwich cooked with love.

Are the cherry tomatoes on the upper left edible? Or you just put them on the dish as decoration?
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 12:48 #901033
Reply to Hanover

That's the thing, I was using rough dry ham (the best kind), so I shouldn't've need a ham sander.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 12:50 #901034
Reply to Banno

Yes, I used one of those machines when I was a child. I've since progressed to real sandwiches.

EDIT: I suppose the advantage of the machine-made sandwiches is that their edges are sealed, locking in the ham
Hanover May 03, 2024 at 12:56 #901035
Quoting Jamal
That's the thing, I was using rough dry ham (the best kind), so I shouldn't've need a ham sander.


That is interesting and it makes me think the problem lies less with the ham and more with the cheese. Unconventional as it might sound, I'm going to suggest perhaps a mild acid (diluted hydrochloric or sulphuric) to etch the cheese so that it will bond to the ham. I don't think we're at the point where we might want to try different cheeses because I would hate to discard your perfectly good supply, so let's try the acids first.

To counter the punch of the acid when you bite the sandwich, you might want to first coat your tongue with baking soda to reduce the pH. If you acheive a thick bubbling froth when the acid hits the base, you know you've done it right.

Bon apetite!
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 13:00 #901036
Reply to Hanover

Good idea, but I've thought of something simpler: I could glue the hams to the inner sides of the bread, and put the cheese in the middle. That way, the bread is secure in the bread, and the cheese, though slippery, is also sticky enough not to shoot out the sides.
Hanover May 03, 2024 at 13:03 #901037
Quoting Jamal
Good idea, but I've thought of something simpler: I could glue the hams to the inner sides of the bread, and put the cheese in the middle.


Not a bad idea. Were you thinking regular carpenter's glue or a glue gun? Would you clamp it while it dried?

Have you considered a weld, or do you think there's a chance the entire sandwich would be consumed in flame?
Sir2u May 03, 2024 at 13:14 #901041
Quoting Jamal
Good idea, but I've thought of something simpler: I could glue the hams to the inner sides of the bread, and put the cheese in the middle. That way, the bread is secure in the bread, and the cheese, though slippery, is also sticky enough not to shoot out the sides.


Staples are even easier and also are non-toxic. Or shingle tacks maybe.
Hanover May 03, 2024 at 14:28 #901056
Quoting Sir2u
Staples are even easier and also are non-toxic. Or shingle tacks maybe.


I typically use lead based tacks. They're not toxic in a fatal sort of way, but they have made me stupid as shit.
frank May 03, 2024 at 19:17 #901128
Did you know extra oxygen flows into your brain when you're angry?
fdrake May 03, 2024 at 19:21 #901132
Chop up the ham as well as the cheese. Mix them together. Sorted.
Hanover May 03, 2024 at 20:26 #901148
Once I was on an English train filled with English people and the cart wench came around with all her feedings, one of which was a chopped up brown meat sandwich swimming in a watery mayonnaise that I chose. It tasted like something Oliver Twist would have refused, but I choked it down and enjoyed the chugging through the country side.

When the cart returned, I look helplessly at the wench and, in my best cockney accent, muttered "Ma'am please, more food."
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 20:44 #901152
Reply to frank

You don’t say.

It’s great to have real medical professionals around to give us these wondrous gems of physiological knowledge.
frank May 03, 2024 at 20:52 #901157
Reply to Jamal
Were you angry when you said that? Just curious.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 20:57 #901160
Reply to frank

Just marginally vexed.
frank May 03, 2024 at 21:01 #901161
Reply to Jamal
According to my recent training, I shouldn't take this personally, but should remain rationally detached, recognize that your communication is influenced by events in your life, and attempt to be supportive.

At the end of the course they ask you if you think you'll be using the training while on the job. I checked no.
Jamal May 03, 2024 at 21:01 #901162
Banno May 03, 2024 at 22:41 #901182
Quoting Jamal
I suppose the advantage of the machine-made sandwiches is that their edges are sealed, locking in the ham


Well, yes. Now you are starting to think. Typical of this place, I provide the answer and no one listens. :roll:

Alternately, done well, the cheese will melt sufficiently to bind the two slices of bread, holding the ham firmly in place. To do this the consistency of the bread and the cheese is paramount. The bread must have holes of a size sufficient to provide a firm attachment for the melted cheese. The cheese must be of a type that will melt into the holes while cooking and firm when heat is removed.

Only empirical study with the products available in your location will find the right combination.

A useful trick is to soften the cheese by very briefly microwaving the sandwich after construction. Fifteen to thirty seconds. Then on to a hot pan, oiled, to brown and complete melting.

BC May 04, 2024 at 01:05 #901219
@javi2541997 I bought some olive oil at the store that was from Spain. Maybe you passed by the very tree from which the extra virginal organic non gmo cold pressed oil was extracted.
Hanover May 04, 2024 at 01:41 #901224
We've discussed a number of ways to properly stabilize the internal ingredients of a sandwich, overlooking the obvious hydraulic press method shown below:

BC May 04, 2024 at 02:11 #901227
Reply to Hanover the Mormon Tabernacle Sandwich Compressor about which you posted a video actually isn't destructive enough. What you need to do is achieve a complete integration of ingredients, something that can be done in seconds using a blender. After processing the sandwich can be eaten with a spoon. If you add the entire meal to the blender, you can probably drink the sandwich, milk, salad, and pie.

Just as the Mormon Tabernacle Sandwich Compressor eliminates the aesthetic qualities of a sandwich, so will the electric blender. What is lost in aesthetics is gained in the speed with which one can safely consume the sandwich. The pureed sandwich is never a choke hazard, regardless of how fast you scarf it down like a ravenous wolf.

Speaking of wild animals, a squirrel can be reduced to a red sauce in about 2 minutes. ***

***2 minutes, exclusive of the time it takes to catch the squirrel, get it under control, and stuff it into the blender.
Hanover May 04, 2024 at 02:57 #901234
Reply to BC I do think the sandwich smoothie could have been better achieved with a blender than the hydraulic small hole method he used.

I'd have hoped for a more compressed and intact final product, sort of a microfiche sandwich, packed with full calories, but transportable beneath your fingernail.

I didn't get the Mormon reference. The press operator sounded Russian or maybe German. Definitely not from Utah.
BC May 04, 2024 at 05:37 #901266
Reply to Hanover A friend of mine called the Choir in Salt Lake the Mormon Tabernacle Cheese Press. He didn't like their sound.

Certainly the sandwich could be far more compressed if the food was compressed in a cylinder. There is a limit, presumably -- the water in the sandwich would limit the amount of compression. As thin as microfiche? Probably not. Maybe as thin as a matzoh cracker.
javi2541997 May 04, 2024 at 05:48 #901273
Quoting BC
I bought some olive oil at the store that was from Spain.


Our most valuable product. :heart:

Not tourism or Rafael Nadal.
(Well, Dalí deserves a very good recognition too.)

Quoting BC
Maybe you passed by the very tree from which the extra virginal organic non gmo cold pressed oil was extracted.


Maybe, yes! If the olive tree is from Andalucía, La Mancha or Cataluña there are a lot of probabilities that I passed by the tree from which the extra virginal organic non gmo cold pressed oil was extracted, because those territories are full of vineyards and I have travelled around them since I was born.

Is your olive oil bottle from Córdoba or Jaén?
BC May 04, 2024 at 07:52 #901281
Reply to javi2541997 The provenance of the oil is no more specific than 'Spain'. However, I'll just assume it was from Andalucía; it sounds nice. I haven't opened it yet. I most often use butter to sauté meat. But olive oil is good for sauté, and with rice and vegetable lentil-type combos. Do you make popcorn, and if so, do you use olive oil, coconut oil, or corn oil? I've tasted popcorn seasoned with olive oil and it's interesting, but not quite the flavor I want.

I also bought bread flour and yeast today; I've been making my own bread for a long time. I don't use liquid oils for bread -- just butter, eggs, milk, salt, and yeast. Oh, flour too. Bread flour has a higher protein level than all purpose flour. I don't like liquid oils for most baking, actually. Solid fats work better.

How are you doing?
Hanover May 04, 2024 at 10:02 #901291
The best olive oil is made from corn. It's less expensive and the words on the bottle are always English. It smells less olivey than other olive oils though.
javi2541997 May 04, 2024 at 10:04 #901292
Quoting BC
Do you make popcorn, and if so, do you use olive oil, coconut oil, or corn oil?


Yes, I make popcorn often, and I use olive oil. We don't have coconut oil in the average supermarket, and corn oil has a low reputation. My mother only buys it when she wants to make ali-oli.


Quoting BC
I've been making my own bread for a long time.


Excellent! My parents used to make their own bread too, but the cost of light has been high since 2021. They haven't used the oven for years, and I miss it. The food has a different flavor when it is cooked in it.

Quoting BC
How are you doing?


I had an interesting experience this morning: I went to Mercadona to buy some groceries, but I only got a €20 bill in my pocket. I started to get a weird feeling of anxiety because I wasn't sure if €20 was enough for all the products on the list. I didn't carry my wallet and credit cards with me either. The products were: chicken, olives, paté, bread, anchovies and asparagus. All of this cost me €19.84.

You can't imagine the feeling of relief I experienced when the Mercadona worker told me the price. I think I am a lucky man today.
Hanover May 04, 2024 at 10:22 #901299
Quoting javi2541997
The products were: chicken, olives, paté, bread, anchovies and asparagus. All of this cost me €19.84.


That's sort of a fun challenge, and it'd likely save you money where you bring a certain amount to the store and you have to feed yourself on just that.

Credit cards I think are the cause of inflation, where you buy without looking at what you have to spend. I haven't carried cash in years. It results in a change residue, where you end up with annoying coins everywhere, especially in your cup holder in you car. It keeps the cup from sitting right. When faced with the choice, I'd take life sapping inflation over unsteady cups any day. You can always get a second or third job to pay the bills, but you can't get back your days that were sidetracked by a wobbly cup of iced tea.
javi2541997 May 04, 2024 at 12:26 #901310
Quoting Hanover
Credit cards I think are the cause of inflation, where you buy without looking at what you have to spend.


Yeah. There is another issue with credit cards: the PIN. I don't usually forget the secret number, but it is annoying when the double-authentication is needed, and then there are a lot of numbers on the screen for just buying groceries or a notebook. The bank system could be safer than ever, but it is a pain in the neck...

Quoting Hanover
It results in a change residue, where you end up with annoying coins everywhere,


I have a lot of €0.01, €0.02 and €0.05 coins in my bedroom. I save them on purpose. They end up being inserted into a ticket vending machine. Oftentimes for train trips, others for tolls. I know it is uncomfortable to carry them to the vending machine. But, trust me when I say it is worth doing it.
Barkon May 04, 2024 at 15:44 #901363
There's these little bugs made by an enemy of the West that preys on the clean, lands on humans then makes them itch and lots of red marked lines appear all over and more of the location of bite. It's a Super Weapon. If these bites get too numerous, there'll be a pandemic, and lots of loss of limbs and death.
Barkon May 04, 2024 at 15:55 #901366
Don't reckon you know about this do you Jamal?
Jamal May 04, 2024 at 16:54 #901373
Jamal May 04, 2024 at 16:54 #901374
I saw a lot of great moss today.
Outlander May 04, 2024 at 17:23 #901379
Reply to Jamal

Moss-some to hear. If only such an expedition were to be accompanied by photos of such so as to provide those not so travel-inclined the opportunity to live vicariously through those who are.

Alas, every now and then we must learn to cut our mosses and move on sometimes. Such is life at times.
Jamal May 04, 2024 at 18:20 #901390
Reply to Outlander

I enjoyed your moss puns, so here are the photos you crave...

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Outlander May 04, 2024 at 18:55 #901400
What a joy for all who may view them.

I'm afraid I have little to offer in return at the moment, save for a preview excerpt from my wholly non-existent book, that may exist someday.

"What is shocking the first time around becomes boring and vacuous when repeated*, and so, if this is the path we as a society allow to be laid before us, arts and entertainment devolve into little more than a swirling cesspool in which the things that once held us together, such as decency and uprightness, become little more than ideological excrement we ritually sacrifice unto the proverbial porcelain toilet turned alter that is shock value, until we as a society are left barren and destitute, robbed of all that was once desirable and meaningful in life, a self-inflicted wound of the highest magnitude, leaving us lost and alone in a soulless, alien world, forever searching for what once was in a spiritual wasteland of ruin and decay whose only purpose is to be destroyed*."

- "Why Am I Here, Please Kill Me", Chapter 7: A Fork in the Parking Lot That Used to Be a Road (Or So the Vagrant on the Sidewalk Tells Me)

*denotes snippets inspired by if not outright repeated from late English philosopher Roger Scruton
Jamal May 04, 2024 at 19:07 #901406
Quoting Outlander
toilet turned alter


*altar
BC May 04, 2024 at 20:06 #901421
Reply to Hanover Reply to javi2541997 Credit is like printing money, where everyone with a card has a legal press. A lot more cash chases the goods people want or need, and prices, wages, housing, etc. are inflated. If everyone paid off their card balance every month, banks would be much less eager to hand out cards, and the money printing aspect of credit would diminish. Americans currently carry 1.2 trillion dollars in credit card balances, and that, of course, isn't the sum total of household debt.

The good news is that the CC debt level is 14% less than it was in 2019.

I budgeted about $40 for my trip to the grocery store yesterday. I used a list, but added some items I remembered. The bill was $82. Had I skipped the olive oil, pork chop, sauerkraut, jar of yeast, and arborio rice, and large box of oatmeal (store brand), the bill would have been pretty close to $40. The bill would have been less had I gone to Aldis, but I went to the closer, more pleasant local market.

I charged the bill because I only had $43 in my wallet. I am debt averse so I pay off the card balance monthly. :halo: I'm surprised Wells Fargo lets me starve them of revenue every month.

Wells Fargo used to have coin counters in their offices; I used to accumulate coins; it was a nice surprise to find I had 23.94 or whatever in the jar. They ripped the coin counters out, for some reason, and the tellers now refuse to take coins that aren't in rolls. So much for customer service.
Hanover May 05, 2024 at 01:53 #901475
Interesting article on the Vietnam protests.
https://www.fpri.org/article/2000/06/mythed-opportunities-the-truth-about-vietnam-anti-war-protests/

"All the data we have from the time, and since, show that the obscenity, illegality, and raging anti-patriotism of the antiwar protesters made them the most hated group in America during the late 1960s and early 1970s. When police beat up protesters in the park across from the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968, most people who were watching on television sympathized with the police.

The backlash had significant repercussions on the national political scene. Without the antiwar protests, which were associated in the minds of the “silent majority” with a militarized black power movement that had somehow metastasized from the civil rights movement, George Wallace could never have become a national political figure, if only for a while. Nor would Richard Nixon have won the White House in 1968.

Furthermore, the antiwar movement undermined the Democratic Party and hurt Hubert Humphrey’s bid for the presidency in a very tight election.) The political reaction to the radical antiwar protests aided both the Johnson and Nixon administrations’ efforts to manage growing public disquiet over the war. More Americans would have opposed the war sooner had they not been put off by radical protest tactics."

:chin:
Shawn May 05, 2024 at 02:44 #901484
Hello everyone. Happy to be back.
BC May 05, 2024 at 03:18 #901487
Quoting Hanover
"All the data we have from the time, and since, show that the obscenity, illegality, and raging anti-patriotism of the antiwar protesters made them the most hated group in America during the late 1960s and early 1970s.


I was present at a number of very large demonstrations against the war in Vietnam in 1968 and 1970, mostly in Boston and Washington, DC. I witnessed very little obscenity in placards and chants, nor illegality. OK, Country Joe McDonald's "Give me an F; Give me a U; Give me a C; Give me a K; What does that spell? Fuck. What does that spell? Fuck. What does that spell? Fuck. What does that spell? Fuck. What does that spell? Fuck." Permits for marches that were law-abiding and orderly. Not always, not everywhere, but usually.

Primetime wasn't quite ready for 'fuck' in 1968. Before a Boston appearance (his story goes) the police warned him not to sing the "give me an F..."

None the less, your observation about polarization over the Vietnam War (and hippies, women's lib, gay lib, etc.) was quite real. As a 25 year old, I thought the times were exciting and good. When I returned to Minnesota in 1970, it was of course a different world than Boston. We were at a small cafe in a small town; a guy came buy with his young son who wanted to touch my beard. I got it; beards were a rarity in the outstate area.

The antiwar protestors certainly came across to much of the mainstream as at least unpatriotic. Our opposition to the war was worse than lacking patriotic fervor; it was a dereliction of duty. It was seditious, immoral, perverse. un-American in every sense. That's reasonable for people who reserve a preferential option for the views and experience of the military establishment.

The privileged POV of the military didn't go away when the Vietnam war was over. It's alive and well.
BC May 05, 2024 at 03:19 #901488
Reply to Shawn Happy to see you happy.
Hanover May 05, 2024 at 03:30 #901491
Quoting Shawn
Hello everyone. Happy to be back.


Any pig pics you wish to share?
Shawn May 05, 2024 at 03:35 #901492
Reply to Hanover

Sorry, I don't have any pigs to share; but, the doctor pig is treating me well.

As always, the doctor is ready for you. Regarding which, I am wondering if you by chance adopted a pig?
Noble Dust May 05, 2024 at 04:38 #901498
Reply to Shawn

Welcome back!
javi2541997 May 05, 2024 at 04:48 #901500
Quoting Shawn
Hello everyone. Happy to be back.


Hello Shawn! Happy to see you again. You were off from TPF because a group of pigs kidnapped you on their farm, and now they set you free. The first thing you did afterwards was post here. This is a real compromise for a user. :cheer:
fdrake May 05, 2024 at 08:28 #901507
Reply to Shawn

Good to see you again!
unenlightened May 05, 2024 at 10:48 #901520
Reply to Shawn Hey, long time no wallow dude. Everyone has been very sad and playing with their food since you were away. I hope they will have the decency not to be mentioning 'ham' all the time now!
Metaphysician Undercover May 05, 2024 at 11:36 #901525
What's with the price of olive oil these days? It seems to go up by about twenty five percent every time I go to buy some. Is there a shortage of olives, or are those huge hydraulic presses getting more expensive to operate, or something like that?

It's becoming a luxury item, and I'm going to have to start buying the cornolive, or maybe canolive (which is really rapeseed but I guess they didn't like the name).
Deleted user May 05, 2024 at 11:41 #901528
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
What's with the price of olive oil these days?


I buy them from the local Greek shop. 22€ the kg, it is spring now, they are more delicious than ever.
Shawn May 05, 2024 at 12:45 #901540
Reply to unenlightened

Thanks, unenlightened. My only sadness is very great over the issue of how our appetite seems to cause unenlightenment towards pain and suffering of these poor animals, called 'pigs'.

Hanover May 05, 2024 at 13:09 #901542
Reply to Shawn They say you should never meet your heroes because you're likely to be disappointed. Maybe steer clear of actual pigs. You might find they aren't all you expected them to be.
unenlightened May 05, 2024 at 16:53 #901575
Reply to Hanover I have met several pigs and they are delightful fun loving creatures. It is only humans that drive them into depravity; left to themselves, they like acorns and truffles, and live in the forest.
Hanover May 05, 2024 at 17:40 #901586
Quoting unenlightened
have met several pigs and they are delightful fun loving creatures. It is only humans that drive them into depravity; left to themselves, they like acorns and truffles, and live in the forest.


We have a wild pig problem here from abandoned pigs. They destroy the land and wreak havoc on the country side. It is possible they are simply bitter from their mistreatment and their relegation to the lowest rung of rural society.

I will work towards a better understanding of their plight.
Hanover May 05, 2024 at 17:44 #901588
https://www.georgiaferalswine.com/
Metaphysician Undercover May 05, 2024 at 19:04 #901609
I've heard that some states have declared open season on wild boars. Kill them by any means, pounds of rat poison, machine gun, landmines, bombings, whatever. It's a veritable war out there, and the enemy is a sly one.
Sir2u May 05, 2024 at 21:30 #901632
Quoting BC
Country Joe McDonald's


That is another name to add on to the famous still alive list.
We got into trouble so many times for sneaking radios into school and bribing the bus driver to play music because of singers like him and the school not wanting us to listen to them.

Let's hear the cheer folks "And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for?"
Hanover May 05, 2024 at 22:01 #901643
I went fishing today. Maybe tomorrow I'll go catching.

I got some worms at the sporting good store that says they were from Canada. They were refrigerated and mostly dead, which is the way most Canadians are. I think. Dead is good if you want a compliant worm, but bad if you want a wiggly worm.

A Mexican guy caught a bunch of tiny bream and he kept them in a net bag he kept in the water. Maybe he's making fish nuggets with them.

Thoughts?
Shawn May 05, 2024 at 23:06 #901658
Pigs are just as evil as locusts are by the same token.

Go ahead and kill all the locusts.
Outlander May 05, 2024 at 23:32 #901669
Quoting Shawn
Pigs are just as evil as locusts are by the same reason.


You got an innumerable, hungry, breakfast-loving and ham-and-cheese-enjoying mob to convince otherwise there, Shawn. Good luck. :smirk:
Hanover May 06, 2024 at 00:24 #901679
I remember when Yahweh helped out my peeps with a plague of locusts. That was a solid.
Shawn May 06, 2024 at 01:33 #901696
Reply to Hanover

Go ahead and ask YHWH since when has killing solved anything?
BC May 06, 2024 at 01:38 #901698
Reply to Hanover It's a screwy story.

Exodus 10:Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them 2 that you may tell your children and grandchildren how I dealt harshly with the Egyptians and how I performed my signs among them...


Was it the case that Pharaoh was actually quite reasonable, but had to be toughened up by the lord for theatrical purposes ?

The locusts arrived on the east wind, blowing across the desersts of Arabia. What had the locusts been eating in the desert to build up to plague strength? After the stage business of the locust plague had gone on long enough, a west wind blew the locusts into the Red Sea. If being blown across the Red Sea was so hazardous to locusts, how come they survived when the east wind was blowing???

The next plague was total darkness across the land, except where the Israelites were standing around. Star turn for the spotlight team. After this, the lord had to harden pharaoh's heart again.

If the Israelites were slaves in Egypt, how was it that they had (apparently) accumulated large herds that they insisted on taking with them. (Pharaoh's Council of Economic Advisors were concerned about inflated beef and goat prices if the Israelites exited with all their livestock in tow.)

Another problem: the Israelites were in the wilderness for 40 years. The ate manna from heaven. Why didn't they have pot roast? And what were they feeding their prospective pot roasts and lamb chops all those years in the inhospitable wilderness? Manna was sent for the people; bales of hay failed to appear for the livestock. Problems in the shipping department? Maybe the wilderness wasn't all that bad?

Clearly Biblical literalists have not read the Bible closely enough.

BC May 06, 2024 at 01:45 #901701
Reply to Shawn To God who is omnipresent in time and space, everyone who was ever born has died. But, as luck would have it, to an omnipresent god everyone who died is still alive. In the eternal present of god, there is no such thing as birth or death.
Shawn May 06, 2024 at 01:47 #901702
Reply to BC

So, God is certain of everything He does?
BC May 06, 2024 at 01:48 #901703
Reply to Shawn Certainly.
Shawn May 06, 2024 at 01:51 #901706
Reply to BC

Then the only rational response would be quietism?
Hanover May 06, 2024 at 03:35 #901729
Quoting BC
Was it the case that Pharaoh was actually quite reasonable, but had to be toughened up by the lord for theatrical purposes ?


God allowed the Pharaohs 400 years of free will and they used it to enslave the Jews, then they get a few droppings of El Yahweh's comeuppance and they're like "My bad, y'all can go on bout your day." Yeah, I don't think so. Holy Creator's like "You're finna get your heart all hardened up and I'm gonna show you a real smack down."

And so it was, with an outstretched hand and a mighty blow, the Heavenly Daddy-O back hand bitch slapped the spit out Pharaoh's face, leaving it as bone dry as the desert surrounding him. And then it got real. As in real real.

You think locusts was bad? Lordman says, "hold my beer, watch this."
Shawn May 06, 2024 at 03:40 #901732
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Leontiskos May 06, 2024 at 03:40 #901733
Reply to Hanover :lol:

I await your full translation of the Bible.
Jamal May 06, 2024 at 10:19 #901772
Quoting Hanover
Maybe he's making fish nuggets with them.

Thoughts?


Deepfried tiddlers be a common meal hither and yonder, howbeit I canst be speakin' for the Mexicans.

Interesting thing happened yesterday. The plan was to go to a cafe on a windswept hillside by a lochan (a particular cafe, not just any one), and I felt there was no point going there unless I had the full (they call it the "Large" on the menu) breakfast. The dish is these:

Two pork links
One slice of Lorne sausage
Two rashers of back bacon
One fried tattie scone
One thick slice of black pudding
One slice of buttered brown toast
Three mushrooms
Some baked beans
One fried egg

I'm trying to lose weight and because this was happening about 11:30 in the morning, I decided to make the meal function as brunch, thus skipping the meals I would normally have early morning and lunchtime. But, having been up since 07:00, I was rather hungry by the time the full breakfast arrived before me.

The thing is, although I could see that the ingredients were not of the best quality (the cheapest kind of frozen sausages, for example), I enjoyed it immensely. In my head and heart I knew it was mediocre at best, but I loved it—all at the same time.

And what is with the single egg in Scottish breakfasts? I don't think it's stereotypical Scottish meanness, because they're happy to provide two sausages...

But I did say they're the cheapest sausages, didn't I? Cheaper than eggs? :chin:

EDIT: local worms for local fish
Metaphysician Undercover May 06, 2024 at 10:33 #901775
Quoting Hanover
You think locusts was bad? Lordman says, "hold my beer, watch this."


Lordy mama, why does the big man need someone to hold his beer when he springs into action?
javi2541997 May 06, 2024 at 10:48 #901778
Quoting Jamal
One fried egg


Fried eggs! Delicious. I almost forgot the last time I ate one of those.

The degree of flavour-ness and quality increases when you mix them up with jamón serrano and fries.
Outlander May 06, 2024 at 10:56 #901780
Quoting Jamal
I enjoyed it immensely. In my head and heart I knew it was mediocre at best, but I loved it—all at the same time.


Why do you suppose that is? Simple ravenous, primal hunger brought on by the lateness of the hour? It all sounds rather charming really, a quaint - presumably picturesque - rural eatery tucked away in a seldom-traveled, grassy European countryside that has changed little over the millennia, overlooked by the Highlands in the distance, accompanied by a serene lake beckoning all who travel nearby to stop for a moment and perhaps pause one's weary mind and feet offering seldom-held opportunity for reflection and in this case, by matter of good fortune, engorgement. Like something out of a dream or distant memory overshadowed by the pressures and pursuits of the modern age.

I presume no photography is available. I promise I'm not a paid assassin tailing you and trying to determine your whereabouts to report back to my shady team of associates. :lol:
Jamal May 06, 2024 at 10:56 #901781
Reply to javi2541997

Yes, I do particularly like the combination of fried eggs and fried potatoes. However, I had some bad experiences in Barcelona. Fried eggs and fries it said on the menu, or something like that. The dish that came was a pile of French fries with a fried egg on top that had been intentionally smashed to pieces. I almost threw it in the small waiter's face.

The taste sensation can also be increased by adding one on top of fried rice, as in nasi goreng:

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Outlander May 06, 2024 at 11:01 #901783
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Lordy mama, why does the big man need someone to hold his beer when he springs into action?


It's a figure of speech. Conveying the minimal if not non-existent amount of effort, focus, or planning needed to perform or accomplish something. Typically used by arrogant men when in the presence of their witless and impressionable followers.
Jamal May 06, 2024 at 11:01 #901784
Quoting Outlander
Why do you suppose that is? Simple ravenous, primal hunger brought on by the lateness of the hour? It all sounds rather charming really, a quaint - presumably picturesque - rural eatery tucked away in a seldom-traveled, grassy European countryside that has changed little over the millennia, overlooked by the Highlands in the distance, accompanied by a serene lake beckoning all who travel nearby to stop for a moment and perhaps pause one's weary mind and feet offering seldom-held opportunity for reflection and in this case, by matter of good fortune, engorgement. Like something out of a dream or distant memory overshadowed by the pressures and pursuits of the modern age.


You've pretty much hit the nail on the head, while simultaneously making me feel wistful.

To subtract a point because you said I could see the Highlands when there is copious evidence on TPF that I'm currently in the Scottish Borders would be churlish of me.
Metaphysician Undercover May 06, 2024 at 11:08 #901785
Quoting Outlander
Conveying the minimal if not non-existent amount of effort, focus, or planning needed to perform or accomplish something.


Minimal effort, yet The Man needs someone to hold his beer for him while he does it. Well that's a paradox deserving of a thread of its own.
Barkon May 06, 2024 at 12:04 #901796
Does the universe have a type? Is 'universe' a prismatic term, in that there can be many different universes. What is the type of our universe?
javi2541997 May 06, 2024 at 13:22 #901813
Quoting Jamal
However, I had some bad experiences in Barcelona


Who hadn't? :rofl:

Jokes aside. I wish the provinces of my country the best, but I admit Barcelona has a lot of downs.
Outlander May 06, 2024 at 13:28 #901814
Quoting javi2541997
Barcelona has a lot of downs.


Really? Not much of a traveler these days, but should things work out I suppose it wouldn't be off the table.

What are some of these drawbacks, if you don't mind sharing? Both in general as a resident and perhaps as a short-term visitor (things to avoid or be leery of, things not to, etc.)? A cousin of mine (or something) visited the place some odd years ago and seemed to enjoy it very much. I suppose it's all where you go and whether or not luck happens to favor you that particular journey. :smile:
Hanover May 06, 2024 at 13:34 #901817
Quoting Jamal
The thing is, although I could see that the ingredients were not of the best quality (the cheapest kind of frozen sausages, for example), I enjoyed it immensely. In my head and heart I knew it was mediocre at best, but I loved it—all at the same time.


Funny thing similar happened to me also. I went to this old barn looking restaraunt near me that has outsurvived the development in the area, and so I thought it'd be old school and authentic. Most the folks behind the counter skipped their bath and had far away stares that didn't meet your eyes when you talked to them, so I thought these were locals from the land that time forgot and they could serve me up a plate of food the way it was meant to be served.

I mean, that's a reasonable assumption, right?

The biscuit was flakey and buttery and I think it came from the loving, kneading hands of one of the folks on duty, but that's about where it ended. The eggs seemed like a mix and the sausages were from the factory. The grits were also watery. I didn't get it. Why would they open a place just to microwave breakfast items from the frozen food aisle? And why am I eating in a barn in the middle of the suburbs? And who is this lady next to me and why is she talking to me?

It was a lot, that's all I'm saying.
Barkon May 06, 2024 at 14:01 #901818
I like the idea that the Sun is a frame of 4D space, and I wonder if the other stars and their planets are even spawned in for us, whether that's a local phenomenon and the far away stars are actually not presences, but essences of possible states.
Deleted user May 06, 2024 at 14:22 #901822
Quoting Barkon
I like the idea that the Sun is a frame of 4D space


What
Barkon May 06, 2024 at 14:23 #901823
Reply to Deleted user like a picture frame.
Deleted user May 06, 2024 at 14:24 #901824
That's not the confusing part.
Barkon May 06, 2024 at 14:24 #901826
Reply to Deleted user I'm warning you, some concepts might be too hard for you to grasp instantly.
Deleted user May 06, 2024 at 14:36 #901833
Reply to Barkon Please solve the following equation:

[math]2x^4+4x^2+2[/math]
jorndoe May 06, 2024 at 15:05 #901839
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Lordy mama, why does the big man need someone to hold his beer when he springs into action?


He was talking to His ex, that's when She left Him.

javi2541997 May 06, 2024 at 15:07 #901841
Reply to Outlander I think you will not have a serious problem as a visitor, and you will probably like and enjoy the city. Thanks to Dalí and Gaudí, Barcelona has an aesthetic vibe worth experiencing. But I don't recommend staying there more than 3 or 4 days.

These are some reasons:

The city became very chaotic. The mayor doesn't allow people to enter the centre of the city using cars, causing the public transport and streets to collapse.

The prices are high, most of the 'cool' things are a bit overrated, and they do not have a good offer of museums.

There is now a big issue regarding pickpocketing. Barcelona is becoming more insecure than Marseille! Crazy!
Jamal May 06, 2024 at 15:24 #901843
Reply to Outlander

Asking @javi2541997 what he thinks of Barcelona is like asking a Glaswegian what they think of Edinburgh.

EDIT: Or maybe more like asking a Londoner what he thinks of Edinburgh.

EDIT 2: No, that’s ridiculous. I’ll stick with the first analogy.
Deleted user May 06, 2024 at 15:43 #901848
Quoting javi2541997
Barcelona is becoming more insecure than Marseille!


Really? Because that's a crazy high bar.
javi2541997 May 06, 2024 at 18:11 #901883
Quoting Jamal
Asking javi2541997 what he thinks of Barcelona is like asking a Glaswegian what they think of Edinburgh.


You know me pretty well, friend. I love the analogy, by the way.
We have a lot of mockery of each other, but everything is OK if it is done with good manners. What I personally dislike is how our politicians use the cities to divide us. I remember that in the 2020 pandemic, some separatists started to cheer on the victims of coronavirus in Madrid.
On the other side (here), I see politicians who are proud of themselves for not having Catalan products in their homes.

The politicians of my country are embarrassing, and I feel very sad about the current situation.
javi2541997 May 06, 2024 at 18:15 #901885
Quoting Deleted user
Really? Because that's a crazy high bar.


I overreacted a bit. Yet, it is true Barcelona - and its surroundings - is following the path of Marseille and Naples, instead of Berlin or München.

* I quote these German cities because Catalan nationalists always had a weird fetish for North European nations. *
BC May 06, 2024 at 19:13 #901891
Quoting javi2541997
The politicians of my country are embarrassing, and I feel very sad about the current situation.


Embarrassing? Javi, if you don't live in the United States you don't know what EMBARRASSING is!
javi2541997 May 06, 2024 at 20:01 #901901
Quoting BC
Embarrassing? Javi, if you don't live in the United States you don't know what EMBARRASSING is!


Well, all politicians in most countries of the world are embarrassing.

I have a simple principle: I would not share a pint of beer with a politician. At the moment of leaving the pub my wallet could have been stolen, or I would get angry about all the bollocks I would have heard before.

A politician (it doesn't matter his/her ideology) is not a nice mate to stay with in a pub.

unenlightened May 06, 2024 at 20:04 #901902
Quoting BC
if you don't live in the United States you don't know what EMBARRASSING is!


Everything is bigger in the US. Even their mediocrity is mediocrer.
jorndoe May 07, 2024 at 04:52 #902045
:D

AI Catholic Priest Demoted After Saying It's OK to Baptize Babies With Gatorade
[sup]— Theodore McKenzie · May 1, 2024[/sup]

Outlander May 07, 2024 at 12:59 #902110
"Pumba, a 200-pound pot-bellied pig who escaped from a New Jersey farm, was caught by police after roaming around “a quiet, serene neighborhood,” according to a Facebook post by the Washington Township Police Department on Friday."
KIRO 7 News Seattle

I'm sure there's an anti-establishmentarianist pun to be had there somewhere.
Shawn May 07, 2024 at 22:59 #902251
Reply to Outlander

Do you know Pumba just was hungry and wanted to eat?
Metaphysician Undercover May 07, 2024 at 23:30 #902258
Reply to Outlander
I know of a couple of escaped pot-bellieds who got blasted, mistaken for the enemy, wild boar. Shame, shame.
Deleted user May 08, 2024 at 00:22 #902268
Quoting Outlander
a 200-pound pot-bellied pig


I can squat this pig. Ooga booga.
javi2541997 May 08, 2024 at 07:05 #902334
How many times have I talked about suicide in philosophical terms here?

How many times have I seen the aesthetic and romantic view of suicide due to my readings by Mishima?

Nevertheless, when you experience suicide closely, someone doesn't know how to act or say.

This morning, a few hours ago, a person committed suicide by jumping onto the rail tracks...
I take the train every morning at the same station. But, when I was walking there, a lot of ambulances and police cars started to arrive with their sirens on...

The speaker of the train station said: sorry, but there is a track interrupted because there was an accident at Vallecas Station thirty minutes ago.

But a police officer said to us that the 'accident' was a suicide. A person deliberately jumped onto the tracks when the train was approaching, and the officer told us to not expect to fix this at least in hours, and they politely asked us to leave and take the bus instead.

We left the station silently...

I am speechless about how the suicide rate has drastically increased in Spain, and now I 'experienced' a case relatively closer...

I think our politicians should take into account this important matter and learn what other countries do to face this issue. Like Japan does, for instance.
Jamal May 08, 2024 at 08:23 #902345
Reply to javi2541997

The other day I went for an interesting bike ride. It had highs and lows, one of the lows being an attempted suicide.

I got 40 kilometres from home when my knees started playing up (meaning they became very painful and thus dysfunctional). This had never happened on my bike before, and since cycling is my favourite activity and the only exercise I ever want to do, I became depressed. I turned around and headed for home, even though I was only a few kilometres from my lunchtime destination.

I went slowly on the way back, trying to save my knees. Alongside the river I saw a big splash in the water. It was an osprey catching a fish. It struggled for ten seconds to lift itself out of the water, then finally flew away with a trout in its talons. Ospreys are known to live in this region but it's not often you see them. It was the first time for me. This was a high point of the ride.

Close to home the route went under a rather high road bridge, which spans the river. Approaching, I noticed an ambulance on the river bank under the bridge, and looked up to see someone high up on the edge of the bridge deck, on the wrong side of the fence. There were several people on the other side, presumably trying to talk him out of jumping. I don't know what happened, but it would have been difficult for them to prevent him from jumping if he chose to.

The following image of the bridge was taken by someone else at a less fraught time.
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Outlander May 08, 2024 at 08:31 #902348
Quoting Jamal
I don't know what happened


What happened was you squandered the opportunity fate has given you to be a hero like you wanted not that long ago...

The osprey was a manifestation of you saving the man from a murky depth or state of mind and lifting him up into the Heavens of contentedness and purpose, similar to how Jesus was a fisher of men, you were to be the fisher and the man was to be the fish.

Don't screw it up next time. Fate can be unkind to those who ignore Her doings.
Jamal May 08, 2024 at 08:34 #902351
Reply to Outlander

What should I have done, wise one? So I know for next time (it's happened before on that bridge).
javi2541997 May 08, 2024 at 09:04 #902363
Quoting Jamal
I don't know what happened, but it would have been difficult for them to prevent him from jumping if he chose to.


Exactly. It is nearly impossible to know how to act in such delicate moments. I think there are experts inside the police agents who try to maintain a dialogue with the suicidal, but I don't really know to what extent this practice actually is... It is a bad and sad episode that makes you feel in a low mood for the rest of the day...
Outlander May 08, 2024 at 09:24 #902369
Quoting Jamal
What should I have done, wise one? So I know for next time (it's happened before on that bridge).


In the moment, face to face and soul to soul gazing into the eyes of the would-otherwise-be-damned, You will know.
Outlander May 08, 2024 at 09:27 #902371
Outlander May 08, 2024 at 09:36 #902376
Actually, maybe not. As administrator of my preferred stomping ground, I consider you too valuable to be in the unsupervised presence of individuals who do not value their own life as such a state entails, as an automatic precondition, not caring about or valuing the lives of others.

The old adage, "no good deed goes unpunished" often rings true:

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/houston-attorney-killed-intervening-in-mcdonalds-dispute

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/09/24/hit-and-run-driver-kills-good-samaritan-florida-steals-car/1408202002/

:grimace:

Just get @Hanover to do it or something. :up:
Barkon May 08, 2024 at 10:12 #902390
Just like to say I find the posters here to be very intellectual and I have learned a lot from reading your posts. My favorite poster is @Michael, very cool.
Tom Storm May 08, 2024 at 11:42 #902407
Quoting javi2541997
I think there are experts inside the police agents who try to maintain a dialogue with the suicidal, but I don't really know to what extent this practice actually is...


I am trained in suicide intervention and have often been a first responder. The model used around the world is fairly straight forward and involves some intensive training. It's not about talking them out of it, it involves supporting the person to identify their reasons for dying, along with their reasons for living. People want to be heard and validated and they often appreciate being reminded of what is or has been important to them. I've ususally been successful, but you can't prevent someone from killing themselves if they really want to. The serious ones often don't tell anyone they are going to do it and do it when no one can see them.
Metaphysician Undercover May 08, 2024 at 12:04 #902409
Quoting Jamal
What should I have done, wise one?


Isn't the required act, to run underneath and catch the poor soul? Or is that only appropriate with babies?
javi2541997 May 08, 2024 at 12:33 #902410
Quoting Tom Storm
I am trained in suicide intervention and have often been a first responder.


It seems a very hard task to accomplish. Hopefully, there are professionals like you, Tom, who are trained to provide help in these complex situations. If I were in a similar situation like yours, I would not know how to act, as I confessed to Jamal. I always had in mind that it is important to support the person and identify why he ended up in such a situation. Nonetheless, I am also afraid that maybe my words would sound fake or not really reliable. It is surprising how a suicidal perceives if the words are told with the soul or just to be polite.

Quoting Tom Storm
I've ususally been successful, but you can't prevent someone from killing themselves if they really want to. The serious ones often don't tell anyone they are going to do it and do it when no one can see them.


A hard statement to swallow, but it is the truth. I think the man who committed suicide this morning had in mind this act the night before, or he has even been struggling with suicidal thoughts for years. I agree that the serious ones often don't tell people they will kill themselves, but why do they leave a letter, poem or declaration usually? Is it a way of saying goodbye and understanding why the person does this?
Shawn May 08, 2024 at 19:36 #902481
Everyone, hear hear. I got married. She is the love of my life:

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Toasts all around!
Tom Storm May 08, 2024 at 20:00 #902486
Quoting javi2541997
but why do they leave a letter, poem or declaration usually?


They don't. No one knows how many people actually leave notes - probably around a quarter. I have only ever seen a couple of notes. People do it in films and stories, so many people assume it is de rigueur.
BC May 08, 2024 at 23:44 #902539
Quoting javi2541997
but why do they leave a letter, poem or declaration usually?


There are two reasons why (per Tom Storm above) most people do not leave notes, poems, or letters:

The first and main reason is that explaining why, exactly, one has decided to exit the world is that writing memorable, effective text is difficult under the best of circumstances. I completed the third draft of a book, Effective Suicide Notes for the Anguished, Hurried, and/or Dull, but publishers have taken a pass on it.

The second reason is that there is simply too much to say about the manifold deficiencies of the cosmos, and how those deficiencies have combined to make life a living nightmare for the prospective suicide. This is especially true for people who are thoughtful and like to write. The typical Philosophy Forum person writing their suicide note wouldn't feel satisfied until they had typed 500 pages or so.

And life is a living nightmare. For instance, you go to the store for a box of pasta to make pasta with cheese (aka, macaroni & cheese). You think you really ought to get whole wheat pasta -- more nutritious, less processed, etc. Then you find that a blend of 5 Italian cheeses is on sale - 2 for $5, instead of cheddar. You buy those. So now you are back home, and whip up a batch. It fails!!! the whole wheat pasta is too brown and has the wrong mouth feel. The 5 Italian cheeses are very bland. You put a hair too much cayenne pepper in the sauce, and it's unpleasantly hot. All that trouble for a bowl of regret!

Living nightmare, I tell you, and that was just 2 hours worth of life.
Hanover May 09, 2024 at 02:33 #902578
I can tell you guys how to save a life because I once saved my own. I was drowning and I pulled myself out of the water. I sort of reached over my bobbing head with my right arm flailing in panic but my left arm sure and focused. The left arm grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and yanked me to safety. It then slapped my face to bring me to my senses. It then finally pleasured me to the most gentle of sleeps, reminding me of the time with, you guessed it, the supermodel.

I love that left hand. I use it all the time. It's my right hand man.
Hanover May 09, 2024 at 02:54 #902582
I bought a radio that is supposed to pull in AM stations from all over the US. I've gotten some from far away, but I need to run antenna wire through my trees I think if I want really good reception.

My other option is to stream stations through my phone, but I feel like old school is the way to go.

I'm looking into getting a ham radio and starting my own philosophy channel. My hesitation is due to the ham not sticking to the bread.

My question to you: Any of you fuckers into listening to far away radio stations? If you're a European fucker, does the language variation from country to country make the whole enterprise undoable? Have any of you heard what the Luxemburgians talk about when think no one is paying attention?

Shawn May 09, 2024 at 03:04 #902584
Quoting Hanover
My question to you: Any of you fuckers into listening to far away radio stations? If you're a European fucker, does the language variation from country to country make the whole enterprise undoable? Have any of you heard what the Luxemburgians talk about when think no one is paying attention?


Do you know that Russian intelligence actually plays on the variation of European identity through playing on identities defined by so many languages in the EU? France calls it social aspect, Poland calls it selfhood, and Germany once called it living space.

It boggles my mind what pigs squealing noises sound like in Russia.
javi2541997 May 09, 2024 at 04:50 #902596
Quoting BC
writing memorable, effective text is difficult under the best of circumstances. I completed the third draft of a book, Effective Suicide Notes for the Anguished, Hurried, and/or Dull, but publishers have taken a pass on it.


As a reminder, Yukio Mishima sent 'The Decay of the Angel' (his last novel) to the publisher hours before committing seppuku. Maybe Mishima was just an extraordinary example among suicidal people. What might be in the mind of this magnificent Japanese writer always makes me feel a strange feeling of concern and worry.

Quoting BC
Living nightmare, I tell you, and that was just 2 hours worth of life.


Absolutely! When someone is suffering, the hours seem to pass slowly...
BC May 09, 2024 at 05:00 #902599
Quoting Hanover
you fuckers


How far is far away? On a good night WBBM-CBS (780 AM) in Chicago comes in clearly (if intermittently) in Minneapolis. 400 miles away. French-speaking AM stations from Canada are often receivable. WWL AM from New Orleans, a station from Del Rio, Texas; Omaha; Denver. Nothing from the west coast, usually very few stations from New York City.

BC May 09, 2024 at 05:12 #902602
Reply to javi2541997 Westerners don't seem to have any problem with people blowing their brains out or splatting on a sidewalk after jumping off a building. Somehow disemboweling one's self seems a bit too messy and probably takes waaaay too long. Better to take an OD of fentanyl. It's reliable and fast with no bloody messes to clean up.

Morbid, man; morbid.
Metaphysician Undercover May 09, 2024 at 10:29 #902631
Quoting Hanover
I've gotten some from far away, but I need to run antenna wire through my trees I think if I want really good reception.


When I was young (back in the good ole days), we could listen to AM from all over the place, at night. My brother was a keener and did put wires through the trees. It's really quite boring though, you know, same old, same old, throughout the land, top 40 here is the top 40 there, and the Wolfman Jack soundalike here, sounds like the Wolman Jack soundalike there.

[quote=Wikipedia: Wolfman Jack]In 1963, Smith took his act to the border when Inter-American Radio Advertising's Ramon Bosquez hired him and sent him to the studio and transmitter site of XERF-AM at Ciudad Acuña in Mexico, a station across the U.S.-Mexico border from Del Rio, Texas, whose high-powered border blaster signal could be picked up across much of the United States. In an interview with writer Tom Miller, Smith described the reach of the XERF signal: "We had the most powerful signal in North America. Birds dropped dead when they flew too close to the tower. A car driving from New York to L.A. would never lose the station."[6] [/quote]

In CB and shortwave there is a phenomenon known as "skip". The radio waves reflect off the solar waves or something like that (enough to drive the QM buffs on this forum insane), resulting in transmission around the world. I think it works best at sunrise and sunset.
Barkon May 09, 2024 at 11:49 #902635
The weather is too hot at the moment.

All that heat, wasted - on global warming. Perhaps it would be better if it was cold.
Barkon May 09, 2024 at 11:54 #902636
Racism is bad. You don't make pointless wars that you don't upkeep, with people, that is unprofitable. Your enemy could be profiting from the war and since you just stoke the fires and don't pay any real attention, you play a losing game. Best to take care with your wars...
Paine May 09, 2024 at 14:16 #902661
Reply to Tom Storm
There is also the kind of self-destruction that is a withdrawal from discourse altogether. Erasing the traces of the crime, if you will. I have come into contact with that sort in my life more clearly than the other kind.
Deleted user May 09, 2024 at 14:46 #902663
Reply to Shawn I have heard of goat-fucking but pig-fucking is novel for me. I am writing this down in my diary.
jorndoe May 09, 2024 at 16:50 #902694
Should anyone be interested ...

The End of the Dark Universe?
A new “post-quantum” theory of gravity says we can wave dark matter and dark energy goodbye.
[sup]— Sabine Hossenfelder · Nautilus · Mar 13, 2024[/sup]

Shawn May 09, 2024 at 17:59 #902709
Quoting Deleted user
I have heard of goat-fucking but pig-fucking is novel for me. I am writing this down in my diary.


No, no, no. She just sits with me and oinks and squeals. Sometimes she gets angry at me when she doesnt get a truffle or some oats with honey and cornflakes.

It's always the best of times between us.
Hanover May 09, 2024 at 18:40 #902713
Quoting Deleted user
I have heard of goat-fucking but pig-fucking is novel for me. I am writing this down in my diary.


Look, I don't know what you think you saw, but I was just helping that goat over the fence.

Deleted user May 09, 2024 at 19:45 #902720
Quoting Shawn
and oinks and squeals


The details could have stopped before that.
Shawn May 09, 2024 at 20:31 #902731
Reply to Deleted user

She just makes some noises when she needs to eat. Sometimes she licks me for a treat also.

Fridays she gets a can of beer and then kind of oinks happily.
Deleted user May 09, 2024 at 20:33 #902733
Quoting Shawn
she licks me


Argh... what's next? Will you release a tape too?
finarfin May 09, 2024 at 21:03 #902746
Quoting BC
The first and main reason is that explaining why, exactly, one has decided to exit the world is that writing memorable, effective text is difficult under the best of circumstances

Given the situation, those notes would be exceedingly poignant regardless if they fail to capture their desperation. The mere act of recording one's final testament to a world they have forsaken, an explanation for the seemingly unexplainable, is the most poetic thing imaginable.
Shawn May 09, 2024 at 22:08 #902758
Quoting BC
Westerners don't seem to have any problem with people blowing their brains out or splatting on a sidewalk after jumping off a building. Somehow disemboweling one's self seems a bit too messy and probably takes waaaay too long. Better to take an OD of fentanyl.


I only had a brief bout of suicidal depression almost a decade ago. The suicidal ideations circled around laying on train tracks or buying something like fentanyl. Someone on this forum once said that suicide imposes a burden on your family, especially parents, if they are still alive. The thought of dying and leaving my mother in shambles continuously harassed my ideations until the deep depression abated.

Only recently I've been thinking about a humane way of assisted dying for animals and came to the conclusion that stopping their/one's heart would be the most humane way of dying. No fear, just lights go dark right after the NMDA toxin is in the bloodstream. There are fishes off of Japan and sea urchins that have very potent NMDA toxins that can do this very quickly.

Just my two cents for the downtrodden and desperate.


Sir2u May 10, 2024 at 01:10 #902788
Quoting Shawn
Toasts all around!


Toasting a pig gets you cracklin, I am in for that. :rofl:
Shawn May 10, 2024 at 01:15 #902790
Sir2u May 10, 2024 at 01:23 #902792
Reply to Shawn But so bloody tasty. :rofl:
Shawn May 10, 2024 at 01:43 #902794
Reply to Sir2u

Show some mercy.
Sir2u May 10, 2024 at 01:45 #902795
Quoting Shawn
Show some mercy.


I knew a girl called Mercy a long time ago. and I would probably get banned for showing you pictures of her. :lol:
Shawn May 10, 2024 at 01:49 #902798
OK
BC May 10, 2024 at 02:29 #902802
Reply to Sir2u Was her last name "Hump" by any chance?
BC May 10, 2024 at 02:40 #902804
Quoting Shawn
I've been thinking about a humane way of assisted dying for animals and came to the conclusion that stopping their/one's heart would be the most humane way of dying.


Many vets use pentobarbital, a barbiturate. It's fast, induces sleep, then shuts down cardiac and pulmonary activity. When I had to euthanize my dog that's why they used. It was very quick. Very sad day.

The problem with pentobarbital is that there isn't time for the body to even begin metabolizing the drug, so a lot of the drug remains in the animal's body. Cremation or adequately deep burial doesn't present, problems, but leaving the carcass out in the open, or rendering the animal does. A horse euthanized with pentobarbital still had the drug present in its decomposed carcass nearly a year later.
Shawn May 10, 2024 at 02:45 #902805
Reply to BC

Sorry about your dog.

The NMDA toxins in those sea urchins are so potent and dissolve in the bloodstream soon after administration.
Sir2u May 10, 2024 at 18:07 #902915
Quoting BC
Was her last name "Hump" by any chance?


Nope, it was Mattas.

Outlander May 11, 2024 at 19:26 #903174
I wonder what it would be like to be binge drinking near the Great Lakes and wake up next to the welcome sign for Hell.

It would be equally interesting to live a life as a real estate agent in Uncertain, certainly much more difficult than to be one in Last Chance.

Either way, you may find me buying a lottery ticket in Luck or starting a fight in Coward.

Just something to do to take a break from studying the intimacy rates of Intercourse and contrasting them with the auto collision rates in Accident.

Or I may forego this strange fascination with city names and the long term effects on the people who live there and retire to Cool instead.

My sympathy will however remain strong for the real estate people and mayoral staff of Dead Women Crossing, a great place to raise a family I hear. One thing is for certain, it sure beats living in the middle of Nowhere!
Deleted user May 11, 2024 at 19:30 #903175
Reply to Outlander That is really cute. I know that the US has a lot of cities named after other famous cities in the world. So one could make a text about visiting Piedmont and being able to see Mount Rushmore, instead of the Alps, from the local Wendys. Taking a two hour car ride from Rome to Athens. And so on for other cities.
javi2541997 May 11, 2024 at 19:42 #903178
Reply to Outlander Ah, cool. Another cryptic message. What a shame that I lost my classes at the Committee for State Security for playing poker with my mates in the cafeteria…
jorndoe May 13, 2024 at 04:08 #903572
javi2541997 May 13, 2024 at 09:51 #903617
This is the kind of public management I always wished for. I am in a random park in Pozuelo de Alarcón (a city with its own council inside the Madrid region).

I was having a brief walk to have a break from my project group, and then, observing the surroundings, I noticed that the bins had a little green box with a dog drawn in it.

I approached the bin and the box contained poop bags for dogs.

We all that have dogs love this kind of endeavours. Thanks to the Pozuelo council for spending the public budget on necessary and reasonable things.

Hanover May 14, 2024 at 03:24 #903817
I read that the average shoe size for American men has increased from 8.5 in the 1970s to 10.5 today. My foot grew significantly during that time, so my personal experience is consistent with this.

The Dutch have the largest average feet (11.5) and the Japanese the smallest (7). It has been said that the Japanese could use an average wooden Dutch shoe as a afishing boat. By "said," I mean written, as in I just wrote it a second ago.

I buy Clark shoes, offering a nod to their fine British design and handling, much like a Jaguar, prior to its sale to various car makers the world over.

It has been written that if I were a car, I'd be a beige Volvo, exciting in every regard.

I talked of shoe size with no mention of dick size. Unusual for me.
javi2541997 May 14, 2024 at 04:45 #903837
Quoting Hanover
I buy Clark shoes


I buy New Balance shoes. Classic 574 series. It fits very well with my goose-like feet. They are comfortable, and my favourite colours are yellow, black and grey.

Quoting Hanover
if I were a car, I'd be a beige Volvo, exciting in every regard.


A Volvo! Nice election! Swedish delicacy.

If I were a car, I'd be a white 1980 SEAT ibiza or 1991 Lada. Anchored to the past and melancholia.

Quoting Hanover
The Dutch have the largest average feet.


I know it is not related at all, but I want to share this important data: I use talcum powder in my socks to prevent my feet sweating like hell and then avoid wounds and scrapes. :up:
Hanover May 14, 2024 at 11:10 #903859
Quoting javi2541997
I use talcum powder in my socks to prevent my feet sweating like hell and then avoid wounds and scrapes. :up:


I also recommend a heavy belly dusting. Not only will you feel fresh all day, but if you slap your belly, you'll raise up a refreshing dust cloud that will be appreciated by all who pass by.
Deleted user May 14, 2024 at 11:24 #903863
Quoting Hanover
and the Japanese the smallest (7)


Cute :love:
jorndoe May 14, 2024 at 14:48 #903905
[tweet]https://twitter.com/SarcasmMother/status/1214941871266385921[/tweet]
Quoting Mother Of Sarcasm
Imagine you discovered the ability to time travel.
You go 30 years into the future expecting to meet your future self only to discover that you've been missing for 30 years.

javi2541997 May 14, 2024 at 14:54 #903908
Quoting Hanover
Japanese the smallest (7). Japanese could use an average wooden Dutch shoe as a afishing boat


Quoting Deleted user
Cute :love:


Little wooden Dutch shoes.

Cute or horrendous?

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I am starting to get a weird attraction to those Dutch wooden shoes. I wonder if I can wear them on when I go to and fro around Madrid. (Did you ever put them on? @Benkei )
Deleted user May 14, 2024 at 15:28 #903919
unenlightened May 14, 2024 at 19:40 #903965
Dutch schmutch.

unenlightened May 14, 2024 at 20:34 #903977
Just half watching some film on the box - and there is a young woman looking at her phone, and a split screen image of what she's looking at. Standard filmic convention we all understand ...

... because we're all schizophrenic now; it's normal. And the other half is posting comments on philosophy forums.
Deleted user May 14, 2024 at 20:40 #903979
Quoting unenlightened
because we're all schizophrenic now


Some times of the year I see flying black dots in the corner of my eyes. In some rare cases I heard voices as well, my voice, but still.
Deleted user May 14, 2024 at 20:41 #903980
What if dark energy is like literally the quantum field experiencing itself?
Hanover May 14, 2024 at 20:42 #903981
Quoting Deleted user
Some times of the year I see flying black dots in the corner of my eyes


Those are either floaters or the aura of an oncoming migraine. I prefer the former, but to each his own.
Deleted user May 14, 2024 at 20:45 #903983
Reply to Hanover I don't know what half of these words mean. I won't look them up either. :party:
Hanover May 14, 2024 at 20:46 #903984
Reply to unenlightened A lazier dance there never was. Not terribly far away, where apparently there is more caffeine in the water:



Hanover May 14, 2024 at 20:50 #903986
Quoting Deleted user
I don't know what half of these words mean. I won't look them up either


Floaters are those little flecks you see in the corners of your eyes that you can never focus on.

A migraine aura is the visual distortion (flickering lights, reduced field of vision) you get before the headache and other symptoms set in. You can also get numbness in your hands and lips, become forgetful, be unable to recollect words, and have slurred speech. It's all the fun of a stroke, but without the long term effects.
Deleted user May 14, 2024 at 21:06 #903993
Reply to Hanover Since I promised I wouldn't be looking them up, and your post can technically be used as a source, I will not betray my ethics and my soul and thus my eyes will be avoiding everything between "Hanover" and "15 minutes ago". Well played, but I am steadfast.
jorndoe May 14, 2024 at 21:08 #903995
Dozens of stars show signs of hosting advanced alien civilisations
[sup]— Jonathan O’Callaghan · New Scientist · May 10, 2024[/sup]

I find that quite speculative (personally).
Would be a fantastic discovery, though.
Might even be enough for people to get their heads out of their a*s. :)

BC May 14, 2024 at 22:21 #904004
Reply to Deleted user There's more. Much more!

Quoting Hanover
Floaters


You can experience floaters and flashes together or on their own. Both floaters and flashes happen when the vitreous or vitreous humor, lifts up from the surface and pulls on the retina, creating tension. The vitreous is a gel-like substance in the middle of your eye. This process is called posterior vitreous detachment. It’s a normal process of aging.


Surprising (shocking!) fact: the squishy stuff that fills your eyeball can be removed. Once removed, even more ghastly procedures are easier to perform. Afterward the eyeball is refilled with saline, which actually works just fine. "Fine" he said.

Quoting Hanover
migraine aura


Interesting aspect of migraine auras: they are very similar to the auras that precede epileptic seizures. Not that migraines and seizures are the same thing, but are perhaps similar phenomena.

Conclusion: Migraine and seizures are worse than floaters.
Sir2u May 15, 2024 at 00:05 #904043
Reply to javi2541997 These are made of porcelain, not wood. I would not advise you to tap dance with them on.
Hanover May 15, 2024 at 00:47 #904047
Quoting BC
Interesting aspect of migraine auras: they are very similar to the auras that precede epileptic seizures. Not that migraines and seizures are the same thing, but are perhaps similar phenomena.


I have heard of dogs that can sense an oncoming epileptic attack and so they sit on the epileptic before he seizes, holding him steady in safety.

Fred will sit on me, but it seems at random and more for his own attention than my safety.

There isn't such a thing as a migraine dog because having a dog on you while having a migraine offers you no relief. It's no fun for either of you.

If you aren't sure if you're having a migraine or an epileptic fit, you should put a cat on your head.

Know why? (wait for it... this is a good one)

You need a cat scan.

Budumpbump
Hanover May 15, 2024 at 00:51 #904048
Quoting Deleted user
will not betray my ethics and my soul and thus my eyes will be avoiding everything between "Hanover" and "15 minutes ago". Well played, but I am steadfast.


There is no way you have the self control not to read my posts.

Many have tried. All have failed. Try not to look at the purple cow. Impossible!

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BC May 15, 2024 at 01:11 #904050
Quoting Hanover
Fred will sit on me, but it seems at random and more for his own attention than my safety.


It's wise not to over-estimate the solicitude of dogs. It's impossible to overestimate the indifference of cats.
javi2541997 May 15, 2024 at 04:27 #904081
Quoting Sir2u
These are made of porcelain, not wood. I would not advise you to tap dance with them on.


Oh no! :sad: I have the risk of getting them broken in pieces because of the weight of my goose-like feet.
Benkei May 15, 2024 at 06:23 #904091
:vomit: Xenophobic, right extremist government to be installed in the Netherlands. I want to move.
Tom Storm May 15, 2024 at 10:13 #904104
Reply to Benkei je hebt mijn sympathie.
Deleted user May 15, 2024 at 10:20 #904105
Quoting Hanover
Try not to look at the purple cow.


What purple cow?
Deleted user May 15, 2024 at 10:21 #904106
Quoting Benkei
I want to move.


Another contribution to the movement of Dutchmen leaving their cities (where do they even go?), Amsterdam is an English-speaking city now, others are following.
Benkei May 15, 2024 at 10:37 #904109
Reply to Deleted user Grossly exaggerated. Just because most Dutch people can speak Dutch and Amsterdam is a tourist destination, doesn't make it an English-speaking city. You can speak English everywhere but also Dutch.
javi2541997 May 15, 2024 at 10:38 #904110
Quoting Deleted user
What purple cow?


I thought Hanover was referring to a trick or language riddle, so I decided to search around Google what was going on with purple cows. The only thing the Internet has illuminated me is with this piece of natural beauty:

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Deleted user May 15, 2024 at 10:54 #904113
Reply to javi2541997 Still not looking at it.

Reply to Benkei Sounds like cope to me, because I have heard otherwise from many native Dutchies.
Benkei May 15, 2024 at 11:29 #904118
Reply to Deleted user Sounds like bias to me. One wonders why. Maybe you can respect my own experience and accept I'm telling the truth. I do work there after all.
Hanover May 15, 2024 at 12:20 #904122
Quoting BC
It's impossible to overestimate the indifference of cats.
That's true. You never see a seeing eye cat. They would dart the blind guy all around the house only to be followed by a 10 hour nap.
Hanover May 15, 2024 at 12:24 #904123
Hey guys, have y'all seen the purple cows in this thread? They're amazing! It'd suck to miss out on them.
Hanover May 15, 2024 at 12:46 #904125
Quoting Deleted user
Amsterdam is an English-speaking city now, others are following.


I know nothing of Amsterdam, but I've begun to encounter a problem here in the Land of the Free. People speak to me sometimes with really thick accents, and I can't understand what they're saying. I ask them to repeat themselves and sometimes I still can't follow what they're saying. It can get kind of testy because I'm not sure they believe me and they think that I'm just some middle aged white guy insisting that they speak clearly. It's happened a few times. When I finally do figure out what they're saying, I tell them I have a hearing problem so as to not appear like I just couldn't figure out what they were saying.

The hardest accents to decipher for me are the Carribean Island accents. The British accent coupled with the native way they break up their words can be difficult.

I've seen the videos of remote Scottish accents that are barely English, but we don't get many aboriginal Scots where I live. Most the Scots we get we got from long ago from a rickety boat and they now live up in the mountains and talk with a twang and eat cornbread and work on broken tractors. They aren't hard to understand.

I don't have an accent. My speech is perfectly normal. In fact, my speech has been recorded and stored at the Smithsonian next to the standardized inch and teaspoon so as to be sure we don't lose that accepted measure. Speaking of which, you should probably bring your teaspoon in to the Smithsonian and check it to see if it's not out of whack. I had mine checked, and it turned out it had gotten out of tune by over a gallon. My home baked cookies were suffering terribly from that mis-measurement, but I got that all worked out now.

Deleted user May 15, 2024 at 15:36 #904163
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Deleted user May 15, 2024 at 16:55 #904178
Claude is not available in Europe!
javi2541997 May 15, 2024 at 20:05 #904212
Quoting Hanover
have y'all seen the purple cows in this thread?


Quoting Deleted user
'Still not looking at it.'


Speaking about cows on this gentle Wednesday:



jorndoe May 15, 2024 at 22:47 #904248
Reply to Benkei, finding a better spot to move to might be more and more difficult. :/

Benkei May 16, 2024 at 04:39 #904342
Reply to jorndoe Too right. Pun intended.
kazan May 16, 2024 at 05:55 #904345
Benkei,
Check out Australia. A bit like the USA,but dialed to the political Left. Plenty of opportunities for wealth improvement, decent social safety net for down times, health system a bit better than the UK. A million emigrants since covid can't be wrong.....apparently.! smile
Oh, bring your own home, housing is a bit tight currently....probably the million emigrants are to "blame"
but strangely they all seem to be housed. smile
kazan May 16, 2024 at 06:01 #904346
immigrants .....emigrants...... which ever..... settlers new to the country.
Word for the wise. Come by plane not by boat or you are not welcome..... apparently. smile
Deleted user May 16, 2024 at 10:24 #904368
Quoting Deleted user
Claude is not available in Europe!


Funny how one letter changes everything. Claude is NOW available in Europe*!
Metaphysician Undercover May 16, 2024 at 10:42 #904369
Reply to Deleted user
I believe that is known as "the butterfly effect". The change of one letter changes one word, changes one sentence, changes the idea signified, changes the minds of many readers, changes their attitudes, changes their actions, and ultimately the whole world is different. All that, because you, Lionino, made one tiny mistake. Lesson to be learned; "think before you act", because your tiny mistake could bring an end to the whole world.
Deleted user May 16, 2024 at 10:50 #904370
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
because your tiny mistake could bring an end to the whole world.


Chaos is my god and death is my meaning!
Hanover May 16, 2024 at 12:15 #904385
Quoting Deleted user
Chaos is my god and death is my meaning!


But chaos describes life more than death, so your meaning should be life, not death, if chaos is your god.

Mars, for example, well that's a boring place to live. There's nothing there. Same monotonous shit day in and day out. Times Square though, that's some lively chaos. That's why I moved.
Deleted user May 16, 2024 at 14:53 #904410
Reply to Hanover Since chaos is, minimally, defined by the coexistence of opposites, I say that being inconsistent is more consistent with my values — since 5 hours ago — than being consistent.
Hanover May 16, 2024 at 15:32 #904413
Quoting Deleted user
Since chaos is, minimally, defined by the coexistence of opposites,


That's not chaos, but Yin and Yang, which I would argue (and I mean with a beet red face, filled with rage) is a symbol of harmony of opposites. Chaos would be shit fucking up everywhere, like the doorknob falls off into your hand, the floorboard flips up at your nuts, and your egg salad sandwich falls all over you suit pants. That's the sort of "anything can happen day" you'd see in the Mickey Mouse Club on Wednesdays when ping pong balls would suddenly fall from the sky.

Even if you don't get my references, you can see that no one can live in a world like that. It's just too unpredictable.
Deleted user May 16, 2024 at 22:21 #904472
Reply to Hanover That's a lot of text. I will get to it eventually after I watch some more TikToks.
Deleted user May 17, 2024 at 00:47 #904516
Wow, I keep scrolling and these TikToks never end.
Metaphysician Undercover May 17, 2024 at 00:50 #904518
Quoting Hanover
...when ping pong balls would suddenly fall from the sky.


Wasn't that the moose who had all the ping pong balls falling on him? What's the moose's name Bulwinkle? No, it was the moose on Captain Kangaroo!

Quoting Deleted user
I will get to it eventually after I watch some more TikToks.


Try some Captain Kangaroo, much more entertaining than TikTok.
javi2541997 May 17, 2024 at 04:23 #904536
Do you know how much I miss my morning conversations about breakfast with @Noble Dust?

I remember this was the main topic of The Shoutbox, and Baden even told me: would you stop talking about food when you reach 2541997 posts? :sweat: . It is funny because he did a simile with the number of posts and my birthday.

By the way, I no longer eat tofu for breakfast.
What to eat for breakfast?
My main food combination is based on Tzatziki and olive oil.
It is a good logical mixture. Experts call it: 'Mediterranean diet'
Jamal May 17, 2024 at 08:47 #904559
Reply to javi2541997

:up:

Some people avoid garlic, especially raw garlic (such as is found in tzatziki) for breakfast, but I don’t understand that. Some people say that it makes you smell bad but I don’t understand that either—doesn’t it just make you smell of garlic? I like the smell of garlic.

Right now the woods here smell of garlic. It’s because of all the wild garlic.

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Can it be used in cooking, you ask? Yes.
javi2541997 May 17, 2024 at 09:33 #904562
Reply to Jamal Good points! :up:

I guess those who avoid garlic for breakfast are the ones who eat low-caloric meals such as cereals or canary seeds.

Quoting Jamal
Right now the woods here smell of garlic. It’s because of all the wild garlic.


Beautiful forest! Nothing like a good walk around the fauna and flora in the morning!

Quoting Jamal
Can it be used in cooking, you ask? Yes.


I was thinking of using garlic with kombucha, but nice to know it can be cooked too. :grin:
Metaphysician Undercover May 17, 2024 at 11:02 #904570
Quoting Jamal
Can it be used in cooking, you ask? Yes.


Wow, look at those blooms! Those are "leaks", or "ramps", and they are delicious. Not quite a garlic, not quite an onion, but you get the best of both. I haven't tried them for breakfast, but Wikipedia says: " In central Appalachia, ramps are most commonly fried with potatoes in bacon fat or scrambled with eggs and served with bacon, pinto beans and cornbread".

In eastern Canada there used to be roadside vendors who'd sell bottles of pickled leaks which were highly valued. Due to the fear of endangerment, trafficking in them is now a punishable offence which is strictly enforced to the point of roadside checks of suspicious vehicles. Fines are tied to the amount of bulbs in one's possession, and can climb well into the thousands of dollars:
"Violators now face fines ranging from $10,000 to $6 million or administrative monetary penalties of between $2,000 and $10,000."
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-wants-to-better-regulate-wild-garlic-harvesting-and-transplanting-1.6366781
Jamal May 17, 2024 at 11:11 #904575
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Not quite a garlic


One of its names is “wild garlic” and it’s in the same genus and it has a somewhat similar aroma and taste, so it’s a garlic in my book. Not garlic garlic, but garlic nonetheless.

And over here, these are leeks:

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Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
" In central Appalachia, ramps are most commonly fried with potatoes in bacon fat or scrambled with eggs and served with bacon, pinto beans and cornbread"


:yum:
Sir2u May 17, 2024 at 21:00 #904688
Quoting Hanover
Chaos would be shit fucking up everywhere, like the doorknob falls off into your hand,


I remember someone saying something similar.
"Being fucked is when you cannot open the door to leave the bathroom where the toilet you just flushed containing the biggest crap of your life is blocked and overflowing. And your hated mother-in-law is standing outside with her legs crossed waiting for you to leave the only bathroom in the house. And you still have to eat the dinner you were invited to."

"Shit happens" F. Gump.
unenlightened May 17, 2024 at 21:50 #904693
Leeks, for fucks sake! Leaks are what pipes do when they have frozen and split and then thawed.

Leeks, butter, potatoes, and cream. make some fucking soup, and stop pissing about. Wild garlic is also nice, but a bit stringy. Put it in chickpea curry or something. It's completely different.
Shawn May 18, 2024 at 00:40 #904739
I just wanted to point out that pigs are always there for you:

Hanover May 18, 2024 at 01:00 #904745
For Jesus fucking God damn fuck sake, here's what's in my fridge. The label calls them green onions, but I call them scallions. I always thought the green part were chives, but I'm to learn in my recent onion studies that chives are a whole different animal, but they sure the fuck taste alike.

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When I was a kid, we'd pick wild onions that grew like weeds. They were super strong and you'd never eat them in a real meal. They were for tasting and then throwing at your brother, like crabapple and other nasty shit in the yard.

Here's what they look like before and after you pick them.

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It also tells me what I thought to be wild onions are actually wild garlic.

Nothing is sacred.

Metaphysician Undercover May 18, 2024 at 01:53 #904755
Quoting unenlightened
Leeks, for fucks sake!


Quoting Jamal
and it’s in the same genus


Thanks for the numerous corrections. I guess I'll just call them ramps, and keep eating them because they sure are good.

Reply to Hanover Those are not ramps (wild garlic), you can tell by the shape of the leaves, like the ones in Jamal's picture, with all the flowers.
Hanover May 18, 2024 at 01:59 #904758
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Those are not ramps (wild garlic), you can tell by the shape of the leaves, like the ones in Jamal's picture, with all the flowers.


Whether they're ramps or not, I can't say. That's not a term I know, but wild garlic it surely is.

https://ugaurbanag.com/how-do-we-control-wild-garlic-in-lawns/#:~:text=Wild%20garlic%20(Allium%20vineale%20L,the%20winter%20and%20spring%20months.
Leontiskos May 18, 2024 at 02:14 #904760
Quoting Hanover
When I was a kid, we'd pick wild onions that grew like weeds.


When I was a kid we squealed when we caught sight of chives, because in America we know that green things are healthy and healthy things taste bad. So my parents told me that they are just for decoration, which made me think that we were not required to eat them. But we were required to eat them. That was when I first learned that decorations are not just for decoration, and must also be eaten.
Shawn May 18, 2024 at 02:41 #904764
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Daily dose of a pig.
BC May 18, 2024 at 05:45 #904778
Reply to Shawn When you see black and white spots, think pigs, not Dalmatians.
javi2541997 May 18, 2024 at 05:55 #904780
Quoting BC
When you see black and white spots, think pigs, not Dalmatians.


When you see black and white spots, think Flamenco, not pigs or Dalmatians. :wink:

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BC May 18, 2024 at 06:39 #904786
Reply to javi2541997 Very true! Pigs are very poor at flamenco; they might like to be good at it, but they just can't. Dalmatians aren't great flamenco dancers either, but at least they can move much more briskly and twirl around, something pigs don't do well. Plus, pig snorts are just not very elegant in a refined setting,
unenlightened May 18, 2024 at 06:52 #904787
Reply to BC On the other hand, one rarely sees flamenco dancers on a truffle hunt. When it comes to noses, the pig wins every time.
javi2541997 May 18, 2024 at 07:14 #904790
Quoting BC
Plus, pig snorts are just not very elegant in a refined setting,


No. They are not. :lol:

Quoting unenlightened
one rarely sees flamenco dancers on a truffle hunt. When it comes to noses, the pig wins every time.


I can't disagree with that! It is obvious that a pig has more skills than a flamenco dancer. On the other hand, pigs are located all over the world but flamenco dancers and singers are only available in Sevilla and Granada!
Metaphysician Undercover May 18, 2024 at 11:14 #904807
Reply to Hanover
I guess there's a lot of different "allium" species. According to Wikipedia, hundreds (somewhere between 260 and 979, I guess because they haven't figured out whether half of them are truly alliums or not), including the onion. The flavour, apparently, is dependent on the sulfate content of the soil.
Reply to Jamal
See why I don't call them "wild garlic"? Hanover shows me a site talking about using all sorts of herbicides to control the noxious weed "wild garlic". Yet in Quebec there's million dollar fines for trafficking the endangered species called "wild garlic". I think something's leaky with that name. @unenlightened
Jamal May 18, 2024 at 11:53 #904811
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover

Ramps are similar but not the same as the flowering plants shown in that photo of a European beech forest.

Ramps = Allium tricoccum
Wild garlic = Allium ursinum
Sir2u May 18, 2024 at 13:01 #904821
Jeez this place stinks of garlic, onions and pig shit. Time for a weekend clean up and maybe a change of topic.

I am going to barbecue some ribs tomorrow, with plenty of tomato, onion and garlic sauce.
javi2541997 May 18, 2024 at 13:37 #904826
Quoting Sir2u
Jeez this place stinks of garlic, onions and pig shit. Time for a weekend clean up and maybe a change of topic.


Garlic, onions and pork can be a fabulous combination. Mate, if you feel these stink, it could only mean that you are pregnant... :yikes: Congratulations!

Quoting Sir2u
with plenty of tomato, onion and garlic sauce.


You mean pisto manchego.
Deleted user May 18, 2024 at 13:57 #904830
Reply to Sir2u
Congrats on the pregnancy :clap: :flower:
Sir2u May 18, 2024 at 14:05 #904833
Quoting javi2541997
Mate, if you feel these stink, it could only mean that you are pregnant... :yikes: Congratulations!


Well that would be a world record wouldn't it. A 70 year old man pregnant. :rofl:
A bet I could make enough money to retire from the newspapers, book and the movie they make about it will pay for the kids college. Cool

Quoting javi2541997
You mean pisto manchego.


If I had said that only two people here would have understood, but that is not exactly it any way. We make a sauce out of all of the ingredients , the ones I mentioned and maybe green pepper, cayenne, and soak the ribs in it for a while. Then the sauce is used for basting while the ribs are on the grill.
Sir2u May 18, 2024 at 14:07 #904834
Quoting Deleted user
Congrats on the pregnancy :clap: :flower:


One of the wonderful things about English is the way that we have of expressing our sentiments in a friendly way.
Up yours. :wink:
Metaphysician Undercover May 18, 2024 at 16:32 #904849
Quoting Jamal
Ramps are similar but not the same as the flowering plants shown in that photo of a European beech forest.

Ramps = Allium tricoccum
Wild garlic = Allium ursinum


But ramps are called wild garlic too, also Hanover's noxious weed allium vineale is called wild garlic, and probably a couple hundred other species. You need a more original name for your delicacy, maybe bear garlic.

I see from Wiki that the big difference between tricoccum and ursinum (other than place of origin), is that tricoccum blooms after its leaves die. I guess that's why the flowers in your picture impressed me so much.
unenlightened May 18, 2024 at 17:13 #904855
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I think something's leaky with that name. unenlightened


Ever since the war of Independence, it's all gone onion-shaped on your benighted continent. But in this case, I'd blame the French. They have a thing about onions and garlic - maybe 2 things...
Deleted user May 18, 2024 at 17:54 #904864
Not sure if someone has posted this here yet, but here is the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus in the original German and two English translations side by side: https://people.umass.edu/klement/tlp/tlp.html#bodytext
Jamal May 18, 2024 at 19:04 #904887
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
But ramps are called wild garlic too


Ah, I see now.
Hanover May 18, 2024 at 21:20 #904905
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
But ramps are called wild garlic too, also Hanover's noxious weed allium vineale is called wild garlic, and probably a couple hundred other species. You need a more original name for your delicacy, maybe bear garlic.


Having spent the better part of a week immersed in the study of garlic and onion, what I can say is that their familial intertwinment is so intimate that should the two one day find themselves in a romantic embrace, the consummation could not be described as anything less than incestuous and fully opposed to the holy decrees of nature and Yahweh.

That's my takeaway at least.
Outlander May 19, 2024 at 00:00 #904939
I have concocted a plan to harness the power of AI in order to produce the mother of all sitcoms.

What I shall do is feed it all 1,795 pages of the Shoutbox, an entire decade's worth of witty, philosophical genius to create a cast of a dozen relatable characters each with a unique background story, personality, and series of catch phrases. The result will be an award-winning genius of a new television series that will put every other show in existence to shame. Nothing short of a paradigm shift in modern day culture, similar to that spurred by the relatable, never-miss humorous antics of The Simpsons, the intellectual prowess of the Big Bang Theory, and what should have been with the innovative utopian world of Eureka. I wholly expect most popular series currently on the air to be shortly cancelled as a result. All that I must do is make sure to filter out Hanover's inane ramblings and the plan will be nothing short of unstoppable.

Please make sure not to steal my incredibly original idea of stealing other people's ideas. Thank you all for your unwitting contribution toward the next era of human entertainment, modern day Shakespeares, each and every one of you. :up:
Shawn May 19, 2024 at 00:01 #904941
Reply to Outlander

I'm sure pigs will be featured. Somehow its really all about pigs at the end of the day.
Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 00:46 #904960
Quoting Outlander
Nothing short of a paradigm shift in modern day culture, similar to that spurred by the relatable, never-miss humorous antics of The Simpsons, the intellectual prowess of the Big Bang Theory, and what should have been with the innovative utopian world of Eureka.


Comically satirical fantasy Sci-Fi, not quite a new genre but definitely one that has not been over done so far. Quite a good chance of making something out of it.

Quoting Outlander
All that I must do is make sure to filter out Hanover's inane ramblings and the plan will be nothing short of unstoppable.


Oh good, you spotted the main problem.

Quoting Shawn
I'm sure pigs will be featured. Somehow its really all about pigs at the end of the day.


Now that would add another twist to the stories. Maybe you could add some goats as well, sort of honoring our illustrious Banno.
Shawn May 19, 2024 at 01:49 #904973
Quoting Sir2u
Now that would add another twist to the stories. Maybe you could add some goats as well, sort of honoring our illustrious Banno.


I think @Banno deep down understands that a pig is more than what a goat is.
Metaphysician Undercover May 19, 2024 at 15:29 #905105
Quoting unenlightened
But in this case, I'd blame the French. They have a thing about onions and garlic - maybe 2 things...


You might be right. French Canadians seem to be responsible for making the ramps illegal. The Québécois seem to really run with anything they find to taste good, and milk it until it runs out. If the legislation wasn't enacted, we'd probably have every casse-croute in Québec selling wild-garlic poutine. I'd say, hop right on the gravy train, but I think there must already be a shortage of gravy factories.
A lot of that stuff is not only fake, but also seriously diluted in relation to the manufacturer's recommendations.

Wild garlic propagates by seed, and ours do not bloom like those in Jamal's shot. It would probably take hundreds, if not thousands, of years to build up a big patch like the one in that picture, and the wanton harvesters could wipe it out in a season. Next year, find another one.
unenlightened May 19, 2024 at 15:49 #905114
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
I'd say, hop right on the gravy train,


Gravy is so Anglo; but here in Blighty, it usually comes in a boat, rather than a train. The French abhor mere gravy, and would insist on 'un p'tit béchamel' or some such nonsense.
Metaphysician Undercover May 19, 2024 at 17:07 #905130
Reply to unenlightened
A good honest man would take a boatload of gravy over the gravy train, any day of the week.
Hanover May 19, 2024 at 19:40 #905191
We like our biscuits sopped with gravy where I'm from. Gravy comes in white and brown. White gravy has no animal product in it, but is made from flour and butter. And a biscuit isn't a cookie, but an English scone, but an American scone is different. It's sweeter, has much more butter, and has fruit baked in.

You eat scones with tea and speak with an English accent. It's funny every time. Every.

You'd never put gravy on scones and you'd never have biscuits for dessert.

It's so annoying how the Brits made this so confusing.
Shawn May 19, 2024 at 19:58 #905195
Your daily pig:
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Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 20:03 #905197
Quoting Shawn
I think Banno deep down understands that a pig is more than what a goat is.


Maybe, but I doubt it. :lol:
Shawn May 19, 2024 at 20:05 #905198
Quoting Sir2u
Maybe, but I doubt it. :lol:


What is a goat to a pig? Apples and oranges?
Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 20:09 #905199
Quoting Hanover
Gravy comes in white and brown. White gravy has no animal product in it, but is made from flour and butter.


Oh come on, what ever happened to your dictionary skills? The very definition of gravy means that it has animal juices in it. That white stuff is a sauce, nothing else.

Quoting Hanover
You eat scones with tea and speak with an English accent. It's funny every time. Every.


You eat burgers and speak with one of many American accents. It's funny every time. Every single time

Quoting Hanover
You'd never put gravy on scones and you'd never have biscuits for dessert.


I used to eat fish and chips with gravy, and then chocolate biscuits for desert.
Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 20:11 #905200
Quoting Shawn
Your daily pig:


28 gorgeous chops there, get the apple sauce someone.

Quoting Shawn
What is a goat to a pig? Apples and oranges?


I have no idea what a goat is to a pig, but a pig to a goat is probably something he would try to shag.
Hanover May 19, 2024 at 20:14 #905202
Quoting Sir2u
I used to eat fish and chips with gravy, and then chocolate biscuits for desert.

Without video evidence, I can't accept this testimony as valid.Quoting Sir2u
The very definition of gravy means that it has animal juices in it. That white stuff is a sauce, nothing else.


It says "Gravy" right there on the powder mix. What you're suggesting is that the package makers are liars. I can't accept that. They are good people with hearts of gold. Hearts of gold!

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Hanover May 19, 2024 at 20:19 #905204
Williams is not a liar.

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Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 20:24 #905208
Quoting Hanover
Without video evidence, I can't accept this testimony as valid.


Let me borrow your time machine to go back 50 something years ago and I will provide it.

Quoting Hanover
It says "Gravy" right there on the powder mix. What you're suggesting is that the package makers are liars. I vague accept that. They are good people with hearts of gold. Hearts of gold!


Gravy:
A sauce made by adding stock, flour, or other ingredients to the juice and fat that drips from cooking meats
The seasoned but not thickened juices that drip from cooking meats; often a little water is added

If that is not enough; https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=define+gravy

The makers of that stuff are not liars, the are sales people. OK, I know that there is a great similarity but I try to be charitable. Did you read the contents to see if there is any animal fat in it? I don't see any vegetarian or vegan markers on it.
But I think that the real question about that being real gravy is how the hell they got cooked animal juice to be white, do they use bleach in it?

And I agree that they have a heart of gold, payed for from the money from your pockets.
Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 20:26 #905209
Quoting Hanover
Williams is not a liar.


OK, so they can plead insanity or just ignorance. But they really do take advantage of the users ignorance so that would make them fraudsters.
Shawn May 19, 2024 at 22:24 #905267
Quoting Sir2u
a pig to a goat is probably something he would try to shag.


A pigoat? :smile:
Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 22:27 #905269
Quoting Shawn
A pigoat? :smile:


Gopig sounds more exotic. :cool:
Shawn May 19, 2024 at 22:30 #905273
Reply to Sir2u

Goap? :lol:
Sir2u May 19, 2024 at 22:47 #905281
Reply to Shawn

Male - Rapi or pira

Female - Ewpi or piew

Let's stop now before people think we are being silly. :rofl:
frank May 19, 2024 at 23:52 #905322
My false eyelashes are making it hard for me to read.
Metaphysician Undercover May 20, 2024 at 00:29 #905335
Quoting Hanover
White gravy has no animal product in it, but is made from flour and butter.


"White gravy", what the fuck is that? Some kind of cream sauce without the cream? And your "butter, is it hydrogenated vegetable oil, or is it milk fat? In my book (of the highest culinary principles, as you might expect), fat comes from animals and oil comes from vegetables. That the scientists have devised a way to make oil appear to be fat doesn't mean that it is. and milk fat is not a vegetable oil.
Hanover May 20, 2024 at 00:58 #905341
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
And your "butter, is it hydrogenated vegetable oil, or is it milk fat?


Lard is trief and schmaltz is hard to come by these days. Margarine is pareve but unhealthy, so I don't use it. I do prefer butter, but it's milchig, so what to do with a fleishig meal?
Metaphysician Undercover May 20, 2024 at 01:12 #905344
Reply to Hanover
Keep talking, you're turning me on. The sauce is the milchig and the gravy is the fleishig?
javi2541997 May 20, 2024 at 04:45 #905430
Quoting frank
My false eyelashes are making it hard for me to read.


The last time I wore fake eyelashes I almost lost my visual capacity and pupils.

Dangerous toys are not for toddlers!
frank May 20, 2024 at 12:46 #905487
Reply to javi2541997 Gotta be careful with that stuff!
Hanover May 20, 2024 at 15:32 #905517
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Keep talking, you're turning me on. The sauce is the milchig and the gravy is the fleishig?


I feel like you're trying to talk about some other sort of gravy.

Metaphysician Undercover May 21, 2024 at 01:26 #905650
Reply to Hanover
Is milchig of the milk, and fleishig of the flesh? If so, then the white sauce is milchig and gravy is fleishig.
BC May 21, 2024 at 04:24 #905673
@Hanover: Just so you know, the blueberries I just ate were grown in Georgia, They were a large blue berry having a remarkable similarity to blueberries from Peru or Michigan.

The French like bluets, the germans like Blaubeere.

FYI, Blueberries and cranberries are close cousins and are in fact not berries at all; they belong instead to a class of fruits known as epigynous or false berries. Unlike a true berry, the fruit grows from beneath the rest of the flower parts, and as the fruit ripens the flower stays attached and ripens as well.
javi2541997 May 21, 2024 at 04:43 #905674
Quoting BC
the blueberries. The French like bluets, the germans like Blaubeere.


The magic of etymology shows us that the word has a common root in those three different languages: Blue, because the latter is the colour of the fruit.

Nonetheless, we call them 'arándanos'. It is clear that there is no trace of the adjective 'blue' in the noun. So, I did search on R.A.E. about the origin of that word and it says about arándanos:

It perhaps comes from Celtic 'aran' + Late Latin 'rodand?rum' or Greek 'rodódendron'.
https://dle.rae.es/ar%C3%A1ndano


BC May 21, 2024 at 05:08 #905678
Reply to javi2541997 Odd that the name for blue berries would have Celtic, Latin, or Greek roots, considering the berry originated in the New World. The Ojibwa (tribe in Minnesota and elsewhere) called blue berries [i]miinan[/I] (pron. mé nun). Blueberry pie is "Miina-baashkiminasigani-biitoosijigani-bakwezhigan" one of the longest nouns in the Ojibwa language. While everybody likes blueberry pie, the ancient ones didn't make it very often because it had such a long name. One of the blessings of the French and English was giving them the one-syllable words 'tart' or 'pie'.

Boozhoo in Ojibwa means welcome, hello, hi...

So, boozhoo, señor Javi. Want a piece of Miina-baashkiminasigani-biitoosijigani-bakwezhigan?
javi2541997 May 21, 2024 at 05:18 #905679
Quoting BC
Odd that the name for blue berries would have Celtic, Latin, or Greek roots, considering the berry originated in the New World


You are right, it is odd. But the root of 'arándano' is not blueberry because it is 'adelfa' instead.

Quoting BC
So, boozhoo, señor Javi. Want a piece of Miina-baashkiminasigani-biitoosijigani-bakwezhigan?


Yes, I do! A piece of Miina-baashkiminasigani-biitoosijigani-bakwezhigan with coffee in the morning. What else is better than this?
schopenhauer1 May 21, 2024 at 07:54 #905711
@BitconnectCarlos
I gotta ask, what’s the deal with the Russian little person with dreads as your profile pic?
Barkon May 21, 2024 at 10:47 #905734
To use your brain manually, you must target your temple, and use it to hoist or lower your brain muscle, directing your brain organ.

Eyes work strangely, rather than swinging your eye to the left, you can look left through a tick of the iris feeler compilation alone. When you automatically look, there is an untraceable pattern of pupil, eyeball, iris and other.

All body can be controlled introspectively, without 'struggle'. The temple is a way we can control our mind introspectively(like the iris with the eyes).

Many possibilities arise through this function if you get to grips with how phenomena in the universe and your self works. You can compute from mind and process into the environment, possibly in the smallest most petty way, with potential for growth. This is the future, this is the grounds for evolution, and we need proper mentalization in our world.
Barkon May 21, 2024 at 10:48 #905735
I'd thought I'd share this wisdom with you to see if you enjoy the vast topic it brings to light. If it doesn't interest you, sorry.
javi2541997 May 21, 2024 at 11:51 #905738
Wait a minute... what happened to @0 thru 9?

I had a random memory of him previously when I saw a Cannabis gummies pack in a pharmacy, and then I said to myself: there is a TPF mate who I have always talked about this topic with... and he is 0 thru 9.

Yet, his profile info says his last time online was two months ago. I hope he is doing well.

Memorandum: if you want to have a break from the forum please leave a note (as you do in your fridge) saying something like 'I will be fine', 'I leave because I have to fish salmon in New Caledonia', etc.
Sir2u May 21, 2024 at 18:34 #905824
Quoting javi2541997
Memorandum: if you want to have a break from the forum please leave a note (as you do in your fridge) saying something like 'I will be fine', 'I leave because I have to fish salmon in New Caledonia', etc.


Open a thread called "Fridge Door", that way we will know where to look for messages that are of utmost importance.

What do I put on the door if I do not want to leave for a break?
Outlander May 21, 2024 at 19:22 #905833
Quoting schopenhauer1
I gotta ask, what’s the deal with the Russian little person with dreads as your profile pic?


The elusive Schopenhauer on the Shoutbox? Has the world gone mad? What's next, Shawn eating a bacon sandwich with extra bacon? Surely this makes it the Schopbox for today.

+1 for identical bewilderment. How do you know they're supposed to be Russian though? :chin:
schopenhauer1 May 21, 2024 at 19:28 #905835
Quoting Outlander
The elusive Schopenhauer on the Shoutbox? Has the world gone mad? What's next, Shawn eating a bacon sandwich with extra bacon? Surely this makes it the Schopbox for today.


I'll tell ya.. It bothered/perplexed me that much that I had to point it out.. I saw the Shoutbox as the best option...Why? What does it mean? What the hell is your game @BitconnectCarlos?!

Quoting Outlander
+1 for identical bewilderment. How do you know they're supposed to be Russian though? :chin:


I did a reverse lookup on the image.. First I was unsure if that was a baby with dreads, or if that was a real photo of BitconnectCarlos.. Then I saw that.. But then that brings up even more questions..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbulla
BitconnectCarlos May 21, 2024 at 21:46 #905874
Reply to schopenhauer1

Just a meme.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nq9BALiyPOM

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/70uj5D0SRHg
Shawn May 21, 2024 at 22:01 #905879
Quoting Outlander
What's next, Shawn eating a bacon sandwich with extra bacon?


Please have mercy on those pigs... :cry:
Metaphysician Undercover May 22, 2024 at 01:01 #905923
Quoting Sir2u
Open a thread called "Fridge Door", that way we will know where to look for messages that are of utmost importance.


That's a good idea.

Quoting Sir2u
What do I put on the door if I do not want to leave for a break?


Hands off my beer!
javi2541997 May 22, 2024 at 04:21 #905943
Quoting Sir2u
Open a thread called "Fridge Door", that way we will know where to look for messages that are of utmost importance.


Qué gran idea :up:


Quoting Sir2u
What do I put on the door if I do not want to leave for a break?


That you occasionally go to New Caledonia to fish for salmon. :grin:
Sir2u May 22, 2024 at 14:34 #906012
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Hands off my beer!


Dead on. :rofl:
Sir2u May 22, 2024 at 14:37 #906013
Quoting javi2541997
That you occasionally go to New Caledonia to fish for salmon.


No one would believe that, I think that I would probably put something like
"I am still here, if that makes you unhappy then suck it up"
jorndoe May 22, 2024 at 16:14 #906025
kazan May 23, 2024 at 06:07 #906117
Or...."Gone to New Caledonia to see a young Scotsmon".... Smile like you mean it.
Hanover May 23, 2024 at 13:42 #906157
I read that statins increase cardiac calcium scores, although they do lower blood levels of cholesterol. Why would they still be prescribing statins if they increase the clogging of arteries?

Can someone look into this question for me? I feel like the best place to come for medical information is the Shoutbox.
javi2541997 May 23, 2024 at 15:34 #906176
Reply to Hanover I don't know if you will like my answer. But this is what I found on Google and Fundación Española del Corazón about why they still be prescribing statins:
treatment with statins, alone or in combination with other drugs, has benefits that far outweigh the risks. However, statins should only be used on the advice of the physician, who knows when to use them and what should be used in each case.


Original (only in Spanish but I guess Google Translate can help you):
El tratamiento con estatinas, solo o en combinación con otros fármacos, presenta beneficios mucho mayores que los riesgos. Pero las estatinas deben utilizarse solo con indicación del médico, que es quien conoce cuándo hay que usarlas y qué se debe utilizar en cada caso.
ESTATINAS
mcdoodle May 23, 2024 at 19:57 #906229
Quoting Hanover
statins increase cardiac calcium scores


https://www.verywellhealth.com:Evidence supports the idea that statin therapy not only reduces cholesterol levels but also changes existing plaques to make them less dangerous. As part of this process, the plaques may become more calcified—and thus, the calcium score goes up. An increasing calcium score with statin therapy, therefore, may indicate treatment success, and should not be a cause for alarm.
Hanover May 23, 2024 at 20:00 #906231
Reply to mcdoodle That's helpful. The Shoutbox knows all.
Hanover May 24, 2024 at 00:05 #906287
I call this meal "Steak on Salad." User image
Hanover May 24, 2024 at 00:15 #906290
I call this "Port in a Glass near a Steak on a Salad."User image
Hanover May 24, 2024 at 00:21 #906291
This is "Fred with the Bone from the Steak on the Salad by the Port in a Glass."
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Hanover May 24, 2024 at 00:23 #906293
Chocolate is missing you say? Not so fast. User image

Jamal May 24, 2024 at 21:08 #906469
kazan May 25, 2024 at 03:28 #906509
Any connection between the medical question/s and the steak and port (and sweets) pics? Apart from the obvious?..... smile like it's meant.
Hanover May 25, 2024 at 11:53 #906546
Quoting kazan
Any connection between the medical question/s and the steak and port (and sweets) pics? Apart from the obvious?..... smile like it's meant.


The feel like the salad offset the fat and sugar and the port reduced my heart rate.

But you're right, I fear my heavy reliance upon bacon as a primary staple can't be sustained much longer. I will soon switch to carrots and kale and live miserably into my old age.
L'éléphant May 25, 2024 at 16:09 #906590
Quoting Hanover
I call this "Port in a Glass near a Steak on a Salad.

Some musings:

Recently, I gifted a colleague two wine bottles (red and white). I had not felt, at the time, to get one for myself. Even though I knew they were good wines, my brain actually did not have the desire to try them. Then now I think about your steak. I could have potentially gifted him a nice piece of steak and not had one slight twitch to want to eat it myself. It puzzles me.
BC May 25, 2024 at 19:26 #906623
Reply to Hanover

Quoting kazan
medical question/s and the steak and port (and sweets) pics


We worry about the long-term health of our most revered moderator and shoutbox guru.

In addition to the risks of red meat, sugar, and alcohol there's also the dietary disaster of grilling anything. Grilling food produces polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (also found in cigarette smoke, scorched broccoli, and forest fires) which when eaten raise the risks of colon cancer.

Did you use iceberg lettuce in that mini-salad? It's next to worthless. Think dark leafy green -- beet greens, swiss chard, romaine, broccoli (unscorched), turnip greens, kale, mustard greens, nettles...

In addition to the health risks of badly scorched broccoli, it takes a week of airing out to get rid of the stink.
Hanover May 25, 2024 at 19:48 #906627
Reply to BC Thank you for you concerns. I have addressed the colon cancer risk by an overly aggressive colonoscopy schedule. This is due to a strong family history of such cancers, which, like a dry sarcastic self-deprecating sense of humor, is common among Jews.

My salad was adorned with pickled beets, chickpeas, and tomatoes because that's how the Italian place nearby makes it, so I copied them. They still do the free birthday meal, so I was there on the 21st, which is the day you forgot my birthday. I ate it to remember being forgotten.

I douse the salad with Wishbone Italian dressing because it's been a friend by my side sense my earliest days, first as an unweaned child and now today, as a fully teat extracted gentleman.

I agree that broccoli is a troublesome fruit with its propensity to scorch. so I turn often to thie mini cabbage, the sprout from Brussels. It too will burn and char, but it's stench is not just tolerable, but downright enjoyable.

My arterial calcium score taken by CT fell in the mild range actually, but my wife's was a 0, and I'm feeling competitive. Perhaps instead of lowering my risk factors, I will sabotage hers, leaving chocolates and lardcakes around where she won't be able to resist.
Outlander May 25, 2024 at 20:58 #906640
Quoting Hanover
I ate it to remember being forgotten.


:eyes:

Quoting Hanover
I douse the salad with Wishbone Italian dressing


You've got great taste! Unfortunately, that's likely one indulgence you would benefit from limiting some. Remember the rule of thumb for life on Earth, if it tastes or feels good, it's probably going to kill you. :up:
praxis May 25, 2024 at 21:08 #906645
Quoting Hanover
feel like the salad offset the fat and sugar


It does appear to be a psychologically based amalgamation.
Hanover May 25, 2024 at 22:57 #906657
Reply to L'éléphant There are a variety of possible reasons for your behavior: (1) your generosity is so magnanimous that the very thought of subtracting from an intended gift from a recipient brings you far greater pain than denying yourself that part of the gift, (2) you suffer from donataneuralgia, a rare syndrome characterized by mental numbness when donating to others, or (3) you just really don't like wine and steak that much.
Hanover May 25, 2024 at 22:59 #906658
100 yards outside the bar in the park, stealing the sounds of the band without paying any cover. Making out like a bandit. Fuck the man!
javi2541997 May 26, 2024 at 16:14 #906729
I just saw Clarky (@T Clark ) posting again, and my heart went ??????????????

Tom Storm May 26, 2024 at 20:00 #906761
T Clark May 26, 2024 at 20:32 #906764
Reply to Tom Storm

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Shawn May 26, 2024 at 20:44 #906765
Reply to T Clark

Glad to see you.
Hanover May 26, 2024 at 20:46 #906766
Quoting T Clark
Thank you. Thank you very much.


Now that you're back, please a take a moment to see what I've been up to so you'll be up to speed.
Shawn May 26, 2024 at 21:05 #906767
Everyone, please take this moment to appreciate a picture of a pig:
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Shawn May 26, 2024 at 21:34 #906772
In other news, the low ratings for Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis won't deter me from watching it. Here's a trailer:

BC May 26, 2024 at 21:50 #906775
Reply to Shawn The preview of a man standing on the slippery stainless steel and vertiginous heights of the Chrysler Building was high anxiety inducing. How much more of that sort of thing is in in the film?

Coppola has apparently been sitting on this egg for 30 years, which is a long time for a gestating chicken.
Shawn May 26, 2024 at 21:54 #906776
Quoting BC
The preview of a man standing on the slippery stainless steel and vertiginous heights of the Chrysler Building was high anxiety inducing. How much more of that sort of thing is in in the film?


From what I read, there's quite a lot of dialogue, and intellectualization. I heard that there are some references to 9/11 in New York. Also, the title is a take on the much older Metropolis, made in 1927.

Quoting BC
Coppola has apparently been sitting on this egg for 30 years, which is a long time for a gestating chicken.


Allegedly, the poor in material wealth, Coppola, while probably rich in other regards, has been delayed by his personal debts, since he made the film from out of pocket.

In other news, I believe we spoke about Dune, have you seen the second part, as I might sometime later tonight...

Best regards
T Clark May 26, 2024 at 22:21 #906782
Quoting Hanover
Now that you're back, please a take a moment to see what I've been up to so you'll be up to speed.


@javi2541997 has been reporting to me on a regular basis. Nothing he has told me has been a surprise. A disappointment, perhaps, but not a surprise.

T Clark May 26, 2024 at 22:33 #906784
T Clark May 26, 2024 at 22:39 #906785
Reply to Shawn
I just recently saw Adam Driver in "Patterson." It was wonderful - small, personal, and open-hearted. Clearly much different than this one.
Noble Dust May 26, 2024 at 23:58 #906788
Reply to T Clark Welcome back. Maybe I'll start posting again too.
Hanover May 27, 2024 at 00:29 #906791
Quoting Noble Dust
Welcome back. Maybe I'll start posting again too


Please do. I've run low on material. I'm down to posting pictures of steak
Hanover May 27, 2024 at 00:29 #906792
Quoting T Clark
Nothing he has told me has been a surprise. A disappointment, perhaps, but not a surprise.


Ahhh yes. It feels like you never left.
BC May 27, 2024 at 00:46 #906794
Reply to T Clark Back and posting possibly prurient pictures of suggestive strawberries. Put some crème fraîche on before the children see it.

Metaphysician Undercover May 27, 2024 at 01:32 #906803
Reply to BC
A prurient thumbs-up? Seems you're the prurient one BC.
BC May 27, 2024 at 01:58 #906807
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover "Properly viewed, everything is lewd." Tom Lehrer
L'éléphant May 27, 2024 at 03:21 #906817
Quoting BC
In addition to the risks of red meat, sugar, and alcohol there's also the dietary disaster of grilling anything. Grilling food produces polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (also found in cigarette smoke, scorched broccoli, and forest fires) which when eaten raise the risks of colon cancer.

True facts: grilling and deep frying develop carcinogenic substances in the food.
But there are ways to mitigate the carcinogens. Cut the meat into smaller pieces to grill them faster and at lower temp (this is when bamboo skewers become handy). Same with frying. Do not use the metal barbecue pit that intensifies the heat.
Use clay pots instead. See Asians. lol.

(FYI, I don't grill and deep fry for myself-- only for guests and rarely).

Quoting Hanover
There are a variety of possible reasons for your behavior: (1) your generosity is so magnanimous that the very thought of subtracting from an intended gift from a recipient brings you far greater pain than denying yourself that part of the gift, (2) you suffer from donataneuralgia, a rare syndrome characterized by mental numbness when donating to others, or (3) you just really don't like wine and steak that much.

:lol: I like all of the above.
L'éléphant May 27, 2024 at 03:24 #906820
Reply to T Clark
Nice strawberry thumb.

Reply to Shawn That is one good looking pig.
javi2541997 May 27, 2024 at 04:33 #906824
Quoting BC
Back and posting possibly prurient pictures of suggestive strawberries. Put some crème fraîche on before the children see it.


Suggestive strawberry, yes. But it is thumb shaped and that's a very @T Clark's thing in The Shoutbox.
I don't like the smell of strawberries. It is a strong odour which extends all over the fridge... but yes, I would eat them with chocolate or cream, anyway.
T Clark May 27, 2024 at 05:28 #906828
Reply to Noble Dust I just came back because I missed you and Javi.
T Clark May 27, 2024 at 05:33 #906829
Quoting Hanover
It feels like you never left.


I thought you would be offended if I didn't say something smarty-pants.
T Clark May 27, 2024 at 05:35 #906830
Quoting BC
prurient


I don't see that it's prurient. It's just my new thumbs up tcemoji.
BC May 27, 2024 at 06:39 #906833
Quoting T Clark
I just came back because I missed you and Javi.


So the rest of us are chopped liver?
BC May 27, 2024 at 06:40 #906834
Reply to javi2541997 I always wanted to sing in a Gregorian choir, but I never got the chants.
javi2541997 May 27, 2024 at 06:47 #906836
Quoting BC
So the rest of us are chopped liver?


Hígado cortado :lol:

If that reference to chopped liver is a metaphor of crap or rubbish, then we have a common view of liver. It stinks, and the taste is so disgusting that I think I have never tasted anything worse than it.
T Clark May 27, 2024 at 07:08 #906837
Quoting javi2541997
If that reference to chopped liver is a metaphor of crap or rubbish


In my experience chopped liver refers to chicken livers, which are actually pretty good.
T Clark May 27, 2024 at 07:10 #906838
Quoting BC
So the rest of us are chopped liver?


I shouldn't have left you out, because you are definitely not chopped liver, but the rest of them are.
javi2541997 May 27, 2024 at 07:29 #906840
Quoting T Clark
In my experience chopped liver refers to chicken livers, which are actually pretty good.


Yep, I was referring to chicken livers too. They are not my cup of tea. I rather like eating green beans and spring onion.
Tom Storm May 27, 2024 at 07:55 #906841
Reply to javi2541997 I really like chicken liver with onion, a little cracked pepper, cream and some Marsala served on tagliatelle pasta. Fuckin' delicious.
javi2541997 May 27, 2024 at 08:24 #906843
Reply to Tom Storm Onion, pepper, Marsala, and tagliatelle pasta are very tasty and yummy. But if we mix them with chicken livers, all the ingredients will lose their flavour and the odour of the liver will be unbearable.

At least for me...
Tom Storm May 27, 2024 at 08:30 #906845
Reply to javi2541997 Really? Chicken liver has a rich, creamy flavour and has no odd odour. I dislike liver. I love chicken liver.
javi2541997 May 27, 2024 at 09:05 #906849
Quoting Tom Storm
Really? Chicken liver has a rich, creamy flavour and has no odd odour. I dislike liver. I love chicken liver.


When my mummy cooks chicken liver, she uses onion, garlic and olive oil. Is it maybe the garlic guilty of the strong odour and not the chicken liver?

But the taste is still weird and paste-like to me. Nah, it is something I will not put up for supper if I invite you one day, Tom.

Outlander May 27, 2024 at 09:06 #906850
Haven't had a good pork chop in years myself. Grilled onions. The works. When was the last time actually. Small deli/cafe down the road was having a special I believe. Boy that would explain the void I've been feeling in life the past two or three years. Oh well. At least Shawn would be proud.
Tom Storm May 27, 2024 at 09:14 #906851
Reply to javi2541997 Well, Spanish cuisine is some of the greatest in the world, so if we have dinner one evening, I will leave it to you to pick some favourites.
javi2541997 May 27, 2024 at 09:57 #906855
Quoting Tom Storm
Well, Spanish cuisine is some of the greatest in the world, so if we have dinner one evening, I will leave it to you to pick some favourites.


Wow! Thank you for your kindness, Tom. Your post cheered me up. Yes, the gastronomy of my country is one of the few things I am proud of being born in the Peninsula.

Apart from the Visigoths, obviously.

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Hanover May 27, 2024 at 12:05 #906860
I do like me some chicken livers. Our KFCs sold them, but I'm not sure if they still do. As a kid, we had chicken liver sandwiches pretty often.

Last week I caught a turtle with chicken livers, but threw him back because I don't eat lake turtles. I was hoping for a catfish.
Shawn May 27, 2024 at 17:04 #906900
This is a pig on a strawberry for you, @T Clark
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T Clark May 27, 2024 at 17:08 #906903
Reply to Shawn
Very big strawberry. Very small pig.
Shawn May 27, 2024 at 17:21 #906907
I wish I could subliminate my anxiety...
BC May 27, 2024 at 19:43 #906944
Reply to Hanover Reply to javi2541997 Reply to T Clark More chopped liver.



From Ask The Rabbi:

Tom Birchmire from Needham, MA wrote:
Dear Rabbi,
Perhaps you can settle a discussion (argument) between my mother-in-law and me. She has used the expression "What am I, chopped liver?" sprinkled here and therein conversation. When I asked her what was the beginning of the joke, she replied that there isn't any - the phrase stands alone. Are you aware of the origins of the phrase? Any help will be appreciated.

Dear Tom Birchmire,

As far as I know, the origins of the phrase are not Yiddish; I believe the phrase was originally coined in America. Being that chopped liver was always considered a side dish and not a main course, the phrase is used to express hurt and amazement when a person feels he has been overlooked and treated just like a "side dish."
T Clark May 27, 2024 at 20:04 #906952
the phrase is used to express hurt and amazement when a person feels he has been overlooked and treated just like a "side dish.


I have always thought of myself as a side-dish in the banquet of life. Mashed potatoes, stuffing, gravy, peas.
Hanover May 27, 2024 at 21:11 #906975
Quoting BC
From Ask The Rabbi:


I realize that chopped liver formed the height of Jewish cuisine in the 1970s, but like schmaltz, fell into disfavor as Jews could begin to afford to eat the more preferable parts of the animal, but I still must question why a rabbi should be consulted as the expert here.

The village philologist gets so little work as it is, I'd think we should turn to him as opposed to a spiritual leader.
Hanover May 27, 2024 at 21:18 #906976
Quoting T Clark
have always thought of myself as a side-dish in the banquet of life. Mashed potatoes, stuffing, gravy, peas.


I would think a "side dish" would be a mistress, who you could playfully refer to as Tater Salad. It'd be a fun inside joke you could use in the throes of adultery.
Hanover May 27, 2024 at 21:22 #906978
Merry Memorial Day!
T Clark May 27, 2024 at 21:24 #906979
Quoting Hanover
I would think a "side dish" would be a mistress, who you could playfully refer to as Tater Salad. It'd be a fun inside joke you could use in the throes of adultery.


There is some evidence, based on comparison of years of posts, that you and I don't think exactly alike.
Metaphysician Undercover May 27, 2024 at 21:47 #906982
Being that chopped liver was always considered a side dish and not a main course, the phrase is used to express hurt and amazement when a person feels he has been overlooked and treated just like a "side dish."


More appropriately spoken as "second fiddle". But "chopped liver" is generally very derogatory, like completely unwanted.
Shawn May 27, 2024 at 22:00 #906987
Happy Memorial Day to everyone and anyone who served.

At least I tried... :roll:
Shawn May 27, 2024 at 22:54 #906993
This is a Nigerian dwarf goat. Enjoy.

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Noble Dust May 28, 2024 at 01:18 #907009
Reply to T Clark

:flower:

Quoting Hanover
Please do. I've run low on material. I'm down to posting pictures of steak


I have not been photographing my endlessly fascinating iterations of cutting edge culinary experimentation and ingenuity. Perhaps I will grace the foodbox with my morsels of wisdom. Perhaps I shan't. Esoteric knowledge is hidden from the many to spare them from madness in most cases.
T Clark May 28, 2024 at 01:28 #907013
Quoting Noble Dust
Perhaps I will grace the foodbox with my morsels of wisdom.


@hanover has his steaks, @shawn has his pigs, and I have my bon mots. There's no reason you shouldn't jump in with your haute cuisine.
Hanover May 28, 2024 at 01:30 #907014
Quoting Noble Dust
Perhaps I shan't.


I'm delighting in the word "shan't." Thank you for that. It feels like a Renaissance fair here me lord.
Hanover May 28, 2024 at 01:37 #907017
My steak recipe is (1) steak, (2) garlic salt, (3) metal pan.

Cook, drop on salad, eat.

Serve with a plate and fork and knife.

Say to wife: "This port glass ain't gonna fill itself," wait for effect, and then go get the port and fill your glass.
Hanover May 28, 2024 at 01:42 #907018
Reply to Shawn That's the breed I have, but mine are wethers.
Outlander May 28, 2024 at 02:46 #907029
Reply to Hanover

See, I never could understand folk who drink while they eat. It's like, if you're going to put half your organs through liquid hell you might as well at least enjoy the only surmisable point of doing so: a nice, hearty buzz along with the relaxing frame of mind that accompanies such. I know they say food doesn't really absorb alcohol or sober you up; but it really does. Maybe not scientifically, but I know from experience it most certainly has an effect somewhere in that neighborhood. Don't get me wrong now, friends of mine are seasoned drinkers and they tell me if you're going to drink for an extended period, you need to eat meat somewhere along the way, otherwise you'll just get dizzy and tired. Of course, some people like that.

To each their own. :up:
Hanover May 28, 2024 at 03:38 #907035
Quoting Outlander
I know they say food doesn't really absorb alcohol or sober you up; but it really does.


As the Governor of the Shoutbox, I have a very high responsibility of assuring that all that is written here is Truth. The vast majority of media outlets get their news here first and then they distribute what they learn through a complex series of rope knots to others until it is finally reprinted on mainstream news sources.

A guy named Jeff orchestrates the whole thing. He's a non-descript guy but for his American flag cowboy boot on one foot and a black and white mule (@BC will explain) on the other.

Anywho, my point is I must correct you. "They" don't deny that food intercepts alcohol. They say it does. You should in fact eat when you drink so you won't get as drunk. https://www.bgsu.edu/recwell/wellness-connection/alcohol-education/alcohol-metabolism.html#:~:text=Food%20can%20either%20absorb%20alcohol,the%20wall%20of%20the%20stomach.
Outlander May 28, 2024 at 04:11 #907040
Reply to Hanover

I stand educated. And a bit disturbed.

"The surface area of the small intestine is very large (about the size of a tennis court)" :brow:

Still, I feel my point remains. If you're not drinking alcohol to get drunk (or mildly buzzed and relaxed, focused, energized, whatever it is you're after, per se), that kinda seems more like an intimate ritual self-flogging of one's organs more so than anything else.

Unless one is currently undergoing some bizarre juvenile right-of-passage, I'd stand by my suggestion of drinking before eating (something I would often enjoy in the not-so-distant past before I kicked the habit for work-related reasons for its sensory enhancing capabilities, be they real or imagined), waiting until after, or simply drinking less in the proximity of a meal altogether. No reason to douse your innards if you're not even receiving the brunt of the reward when it's all said and done now, is there? It'd be like smoking a nicotine-free cigarette in lieu of a standard one under the mindset of "giving your body a break", I'd say. Just seems a bit silly to me. :chin:
kazan May 28, 2024 at 04:18 #907044
Hanover,
The lack of acknowledgement of your "forgot my birthday" baited hook suggests a collusion of parties on the s/box? Perhaps, teamed with the extravagant recognition of T Clark's return/reappearance, an extended absence from said s/box may garner your 'umble self similar kodos. Absence of a time no more than that necessary for a quick urination would suffice.....perhaps. smile, anyway preferred.
kazan May 28, 2024 at 04:25 #907045
No, not telling you to p.ss off. Just twisting one of what may been seen as "insufficiently recognized" literary techniques that was displayed. smile
Noble Dust May 28, 2024 at 05:44 #907067
Quoting Hanover
drop on salad, eat.


Is there any salad left after the drop, or does it splay out willy-nilly atop the table top, spritzing dressing hither and thither, a drop landing in Fred's eye, causing her to drop her port glass, spilling the viscous liquid on the ornate white table cloth as you reach across in a fruitless, panicked attempt to stop the spillage, a morsel of garlic salt steak dropping from your outstretched steak knife into the waiting jaws of other Fred who is allergic to garlic and will soon die after his triumphant ingestion of the juicy beef, lost for a precious moment in the revelry of the sublime flavor before his imminent passing?

These are the questions you should be asking yourself before you doll out steak recipes to strangers on the internet.
Hanover May 28, 2024 at 12:47 #907100
Quoting Noble Dust
Is there any salad left after the drop


The steak is dropped FROM A FIREMAN'S (sorry, I hit Caps Lock) bucket. I have to call in a fire to get them out, and once there, I explain my real purpose, they laugh, and then they do the steak drop for me. I typically give them a shredded carrot from the salad for their time.

Quoting Noble Dust
a drop landing in Fred's eye, causing her to drop her port glass


In what world is "Fred" a female? You are obviously thinking Fred is short for Frederina, but it's not. It's short for Fredd, which is his full name. His full name is Fredd Kevin Barkowitz. It didn't use to have the double D, but now it does since we had this convo. Convo is short for conversation, which is no longer short because I had to explain it.



Hanover May 28, 2024 at 13:02 #907105
Quoting Outlander
"The surface area of the small intestine is very large (about the size of a tennis court)"


Does that include the area in the doubles line or are they just talking about a single's match? I'd also think it might matter whether we're talking about a young petite woman with a flowing skirt versus a strapping young man of over 6 and half feet and 250 pounds with piercing blue eyes.

The point is that I think there is small intestine variance from person to person and an unclarity regarding tennis court size, so these comparisons are hard to use in real life. Like if I were called upon to extract a small intestine, I would be at a complete loss as to how big a spool I would need to reel it up based upon the limited information you've provided.

Please, please, please do better next time.
Noble Dust May 28, 2024 at 16:46 #907134
Quoting Hanover
The steak is dropped FROM A FIREMAN'S (sorry, I hit Caps Lock) bucket. I have to call in a fire to get them out, and once there, I explain my real purpose, they laugh, and then they do the steak drop for me. I typically give them a shredded carrot from the salad for their time.


Your steak drop method is impressive in it's ingenuity, but you haven't answered my question, vis-à-vis, whether any salad remains post-drop. This is the most important question, because it brings into focus the purpose of the drop itself. Are you attempting to distribute salad across the dinner table equally and equitably to all present, imparting a warm afterglow of meatiness to the leafs via their fleeting contact with the steak as it lands? Or are you an agent of chaos hell-bent on salad destruction for it's own sake, as if the act of dropping a floppy slab of meat from a great height on to the slimy contents of a salad bowl constituted some sort of performance art?

As to Fred's gender, this is clearly a sensitive issue to you, so we shall leave it in their hands to define themselves however they wish; we shan't force any pronouns upon them just because their name is Fred.

By the way, who is Fred again?
Shawn May 28, 2024 at 19:50 #907161
This is a mother pig:

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Shawn May 28, 2024 at 23:44 #907194
There's beauty within.

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@T Clark speaking about movies, have you seen The Elephant Man? If you liked Heart of Darkness, I'd imagine you would like The Elephant Man...
T Clark May 29, 2024 at 01:09 #907198
Quoting Shawn
have you seen The Elephant Man?


No, I never have.

Hanover May 29, 2024 at 01:17 #907203
Dumbo produced the Man Elephant. It was a movie about an elephant that was so ugly, he looked like a man and none of the elephants would fuck him, but he had this beauty within, so we all felt sorry for him.

It was from the elephant POV. I gave it a tomato.

Then the fire department dropped s steak on it, but we still don't know if it splattered.

I like my thoughts like I like my eggs. Scrambled with cheese.
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 01:23 #907204
Reply to Hanover

Don't covet your neighbor.
Hanover May 29, 2024 at 01:30 #907206
Quoting Shawn
Don't covet your neighbor.


Spose he has a pig?
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 02:13 #907216
Quoting Hanover
Dumbo produced the Man Elephant.


Quoting Hanover
It was a movie


Quoting Hanover
this beauty within


Quoting Hanover
It was from the elephant POV.


So, I can't gather my thoughts about this elephant's POV and your;
Quoting Hanover
I like my thoughts like I like my eggs. Scrambled with cheese.


Quoting Hanover
Then the fire department dropped s steak on it, but we still don't know if it splattered.


Is this a tip? Do go on...
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 02:14 #907217
Is this a story about, @S?
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 02:15 #907219
Personally, I think that guy killed himself or found a job.

Yeah, I still think about him to this day. He was quite a chap, don't you say?
Outlander May 29, 2024 at 02:27 #907222
Reply to Shawn

My word, I've never seen this side of you before, Shawn.

Someone please, hide the piglets. :scream:
kazan May 29, 2024 at 02:27 #907223
Shawn,
"This is a mother pig."
Or a sow with piglets?
Please pig-illucidate. Smile porcinely if you wish.
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 02:33 #907225
Quoting Outlander
My word, I've never seen this side of you before, Shawn.

Someone please, hide the piglets. :scream:


We had some members who stood out, or "up." Honestly, the mod's have quite a job up there. Do you know that there's a Non-Disclosure Agreement after you become a mod, not to tell secrets? Then again, I just made that last part up.

I'm just being congenial. :wink:
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 02:35 #907226
Quoting kazan
Shawn,
"This is a mother pig."
Or a sow with piglets?
Please pig-illucidate. Smile porcinely if you wish.


Yes, every time I think about pigs, I feel more happy. It's important that they aren't eaten. I wouldn't convert to Judaism to do so; but, they have their own reasons. On some things Jews and Muslims agree, who would have thought?

Somebody finish the thought...
T Clark May 29, 2024 at 03:01 #907235
Quoting Shawn
Yeah, I still think about him to this day. He was quite a chap, don't you say?


I considered @S one of my friends here on the forum. I miss him.
kazan May 29, 2024 at 03:12 #907238
Thought thought Thought thought, but Thought only thought Thought thought.
Any thoughts? smile not at one's own expense.
Baden May 29, 2024 at 11:19 #907278
Nice to have Shawn and Clarky back. :up:
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 13:13 #907289
Reply to Baden

Are you still drinking in the belly of the day?

Because there is beauty in drinking coffee in the belly of the day.
T Clark May 29, 2024 at 13:35 #907293
Quoting Baden
Nice to have Shawn and Clarky back.


Why thank you.
Baden May 29, 2024 at 14:49 #907313
Quoting Shawn
Are you still drinking in the belly of the day?


Coincident with your return, sir, yes.

Quoting Shawn
Because there is beauty in drinking coffee in the belly of the day.


:cheer:

Quoting T Clark
Why thank you.


:up:
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 15:13 #907320
Quoting Baden
Coincident with your return, sir, yes.


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Shawn May 29, 2024 at 15:14 #907322
Somebody really botched those wrists in that image. Sure, I mean, nothing serious but it seems like a wrist cutter giving a thumbs up.
Baden May 29, 2024 at 15:33 #907333
Reply to Shawn

Is it AI generated? You get some weird stuff. I once asked GPT AI for an image of a thick waxy candle and it drew a... Well, let's just say something escaped the censor.
jorndoe May 29, 2024 at 16:34 #907357
North Korean trash balloons are dumping ‘filth’ on South Korea
[sup]— Jessie Yeung, Yoonjung Seo · CNN · May 29, 2024[/sup]

:D

Shawn May 29, 2024 at 16:46 #907362
Quoting Baden
Is it AI generated? You get some weird stuff. I once asked GPT AI for an image of a thick waxy candle and it drew a... Well, let's just say something escaped the censor.


Yes, I think you guys are doing a great job on our humble abode. We really appreciate the time and effort you guys put into this ship.

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It's delicate work I can imagine.
Shawn May 29, 2024 at 20:57 #907417
I really put some more than usual effort into my latest thread. Please feel free to scan it. There are some connotations in that thread about whether treating every act in terms of to the gain of one party and losses to the other.

Thrasymachus is to a hornet if Socrates is a gadfly.
praxis May 29, 2024 at 21:03 #907419
Quoting Baden
I once asked GPT AI for an image of a thick waxy candle and it drew a...


Corncob?

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Baden May 30, 2024 at 02:34 #907467
Reply to praxis

Think it was an eggplant actually. :lol:
praxis May 30, 2024 at 02:41 #907468
Reply to Baden

Braggart.
Noble Dust May 30, 2024 at 02:59 #907471
Dinner was red lentil soup with pita bread and a couscous salad on the side. I'm quite proud of the salad. No recipe: pearl couscous toasted in olive oil and then cooked in low sodium veg broth, cooled and mixed with red onion, canned artichoke hearts, sumac, za'atar, oilive oil, lemon juice and red wine vinegar. Really tasty.
BC May 30, 2024 at 04:28 #907481
Reply to Noble Dust Canned artichoke hearts are not sufficiently well known.

Sumac. It grows wild around here, and in the summer the blossoms turn into thick clusters of fruits with a fuzzy covering. They smell good, and if one gets past the fuzziness, they have a very pleasant flavor--but the fuzz is a drawback.

In the fall the leaves turn bright red.

Red lentils are so much more attractive than the gray-brown variety that looks like mud when cooked. Don't think the flavor is much different between the two.
kazan May 30, 2024 at 05:23 #907488
Boiled red lentils are yellow like certain rivers in flood.
kazan May 30, 2024 at 05:27 #907489
With about the same proportions of water to organic matter. Hope the flavour's different, or China now has an extra can-able and exportable resource. smile.
fdrake May 30, 2024 at 07:08 #907503
Quoting Shawn
We had some members who stood out, or "up." Honestly, the mod's have quite a job up there. Do you know that there's a Non-Disclosure Agreement after you become a mod, not to tell secrets? Then again, I just made that last part up.


After you've signed the papers, you cannot reveal that you've signed the papers. You can only reveal that if you've signed the papers you cannot reveal that you've signed the papers.
unenlightened May 30, 2024 at 15:05 #907563
I grew some lentils once. Bushy plants about 1m. high. Quite prolific, but it turns out that they grow 2 lentils to a pod, and life's too short to harvest them without some machinery. So the chickens got some extra protein that year.
unenlightened May 30, 2024 at 15:08 #907565
And while I'm here let me join in the welcoming of the Prodigal Slackers back to the verbal grindstone.
Baden May 30, 2024 at 15:14 #907569
Reply to Shawn Reply to fdrake

You don't know the half of it, Shawn. It's like Stalin's politburo up here. The closer you get to @Jamal the more dangerous it becomes. Fdrake is taking a real risk speaking out. Even indirectly. And so am I just by saying that. If you never hear from either of us again... Well, there's an old wall that runs from the peak of the Gap of Dunloe due east and up the mountain. If you happened to follow it for exactly 77 meters from the road's edge, you might notice one of the stones in it, just one, isn't grey but red, and under that stone you might find something. A message even... Ah, I've really said too much. Now, I can only pray. :groan:
Baden May 30, 2024 at 15:19 #907571
Sweet Jesus, I tagged him. Fatal error. All is lost! All is lost!
Hanover May 30, 2024 at 17:10 #907598
Quoting Noble Dust
Dinner was red lentil soup with pita bread and a couscous salad on the side. I'm quite proud of the salad. No recipe: pearl couscous toasted in olive oil and then cooked in low sodium veg broth, cooled and mixed with red onion, canned artichoke hearts, sumac, za'atar, oilive oil, lemon juice and red wine vinegar. Really tasty.


I made a 16 bean Cajun turkey soup. I had wanted to put the leftover andouille sausage in it, but my wife doesn't like it and she threw it out. While I bring the sausage home, she is generally in charge of what to do with it.

Oh, and there were 16 types of beans, not just 16 total beans. That would be a poor person's soup, unless they were big beans like watermelon beans. Lentils and beans taste a lot of like in that neither have much taste.

End of post.
Noble Dust May 31, 2024 at 02:24 #907694
Quoting Hanover
Oh, and there were 16 types of beans, not just 16 total beans.


This was my first question. Please name every bean in the soup, if there were indeed 16. It seems to me that there wouldn't be a lot of each bean. Kind of like making a 16 vegetable soup; there'd probably only be like 3 pieces of each vegetable total, so each serving would be like a new soup. Kind of genius, but could also lead to a lot of unhappy customers if served at a restaurant.

A photo my now famous couscous artichoke salad:

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Outlander May 31, 2024 at 02:32 #907695
Quoting Noble Dust
couscous artichoke salad


It's aware it's being eaten? What does it think of Donald Trump's guilty verdict, or does it, like many salads, prefer to stay apolitical? Did it ever aspire to one day make it to the big leagues and sit at a fancy New York salad bar or is it content facing a grizzly end in your humble abode? :chin:
Noble Dust May 31, 2024 at 02:35 #907696
Quoting BC
Canned artichoke hearts are not sufficiently well known.


Sufficient for what?

Quoting BC
Sumac. It grows wild around here, and in the summer the blossoms turn into thick clusters of fruits with a fuzzy covering. They smell good, and if one gets past the fuzziness, they have a very pleasant flavor--but the fuzz is a drawback.


Is it the same sumac that the spice is derived from? I remember Poison Sumac being a rare but scary plant to look out for in Ohio, a sort of less common cousin to Poison Ivy. I always associated the term Sumac with that, so when I encountered it in a Middle Eastern restaurant I was befuddled and perplexed. Flabbergasted even. Turns out it's really tasty and a bit citrus-y.

Quoting BC
Red lentils are so much more attractive than the gray-brown variety that looks like mud when cooked. Don't think the flavor is much different between the two.


The main difference is texture. Red lentils fall apart so good for soup. Black or brown are firmer and better for salads.