Shawn

It's an always hungry beast. One has to feed it carefully, yes.

Both. :blush:

Yes, I understand; but, how does this relate to 'disidentification'? I can see some relation to it in terms of the futility of disidentification in re...

This sticks out from your post. Or has significance to me. If you feel trapped in solipsism, then is doubt possible? No, hence you live in reality if ...

So, there is no hope of remission for the depressive or anxious type? I'm not sure myself. I am pondering on the quote as we go by. I think, that he m...

So, what are your general thoughts about all this? I can't get my mind off of it. I feel trapped in my obsession in a somewhat good way. I want to fig...

Sorry to hear. Must have been quite a trip. :razz:

I think he was referring to the term 'flow' in music or being in the 'zone'. One is in the present moment and doesn't deviate from it.

What would Wittgenstein say about this method?

You could invert this, and assert that the above thinking is trying to address such an issue as arriving at nihilism and staying steadfast. I see noth...

What do other posters think about all this talk? Interested in any input.

So, I'm reading about metacognitive therapy, which sounds somewhat similar to what we are talking about. http://mct-institute.co.uk/metacognitive-ther...

I feel as though, all this 'management of thoughts' requires a higher awareness or meta-thought/meta-narrative which acts on the lower base thought pr...

Eventually, if one is able to disidentify with enough thoughts, then a spiritual element remains. The resolution of thought. Getting there would be qu...

So, I'll posit with my understanding of how to apply or how the process of disidentification takes place. We have a thought about something, and that ...

But how? How do you disidentification yourself from thought? I don't think it's possible to disidentify with feelings,.but with thought it may be poss...

Well, first comes empathy and then the principle of charity ensues. Don't you think? Is empathy a great deal for depressives? I'm not getting it too. ...

And, what is that you think is an ideal worth striving towards? It's an ideal after all.

So, you're trying to roll a stone without gathering moss on it? I'm afraid that is impossible. It's an identity that I have formed of myself. What can...

I'm not apt enough to answer. Perhaps, it is true or not. But, that's irrelevant and a dangerous belief if you read the op-ed.

I tend to agree; but, the inherent nature of the internet is that it wants to be free. China is perhaps an exception; but, in liberal countries like t...

I agree, with the sentiment insofar as thought can entertain itself. I'm reminded of Schopenhauer's will, in that it cannot will itself; but, can be d...

The Buddhists posited that the source of all suffering is desire. Just throwing that out here.

Can you expand on that? Genuinely interested.

Thanks for the quote. Quite interesting to posit things that way. I think it's true that we have a small sphere of interest and enlarging it would res...

@"Jake", I thought identification with thought was the issue here. I don't see how thought itself is the issue. I can be happy or sad or melodramatic,...

Well, yes. Much like the placebo effect, that one believes it is helping. But, to amend my post. I do think you can change your way of being or experi...

The Stoics would have a hard time living in our modern age. Everything is vying for your attention. I don't think it's good to live as a Stoic or try ...

As @"unenlightened" posited, there's an issue of being, at the core of the issue here. How does one separate the feeling of depression from being depr...

Do you think you can become detached from your feelings?

Interesting. I suppose that the schism in the mind is a source of unhappiness. When we feel happy, we ought to not feel anything else. The source of f...

One of the points of disidentification, if I'm reading it correctly, is the disillusionment of these boundaries. We want to not identify with what is ...

It is non-essential; but, I have learned to cope with it. Hence, what does that imply? A failure of disidentification? I wonder, maybe disidentificati...

So, you've never had mixed feelings @"creativesoul"?

What do you mean?

Hmm, what do I think? I think it's true that disidentification is a hard sell. As you said it, identification is hardwired to some extent. Though, con...

I think therefore I am? Not so much with disidentification...

You repeat this like a mantra. But, the issue is that the mind is still overactive, or depressed, or some such issue, then no amount of mechanical act...

I suppose the difference lay in the sense between "disidentification" and "not identifying with a thought" in the quote, which could also mean or come...

Why do they mean different things if they denote the same thing, then, if I may ask? Is this a prototypical example of something possessing a sense?

Yes; but, if all is one, then there's no identity apart from the whole. Sounds about right?

So, we've been describing things as if they exist in Venn diagram substrates. Is this the point here? That we talk about things as if they were black ...

Yes, No, I don't think so. The ultimate end of cessation with identification with thought is that it concludes that pure awareness is left. This is be...

No, it's actually very simple. One may use the word 'detaches' instead of 'disidentification' is so one chooses. He talks about detachment from the co...

Nicely put.

Who's been disrespecting Waya?! Show yourself!

So, essentially... I have depression, and not, I am depressed. The short and simple answer to this threads musings.

Insofar as much as I agree with you, and think depression must be accepted first, I find that many depressives don't treat their depression as such. I...

Yes, let's start a therapy thread?

No, not at all. It's not a negative thing. I just find living as a Buddhist or with Eastern thought in mind to be exceedingly difficult in Western soc...