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:up: Let me know if you care to criticise it or what have you.

I've been studying Wittgenstein for about some five or six years now, on and off. I've come to the conclusion, as did Wittgenstein, that the problems ...

It means what it says. To have lived. My only hope is that it was done in an ethical manner of sorts or the event of death came at an elevated age. It...

I think God factors in only insofar that we have a notion of what death ought to look like. Death just doesn't fit the narrative of identity. We are u...

Why is that?

Well, yes, all of that constitutes what death is. The planning, reaction, and whole drama with death are conducive to elucidating what death is.

I'm just going to point out that this may be as close as we can get to specifying what is disidentification. An unobtainable ideal.

A map is a two dimensional depiction of a three dimensional plane or surface with features on it. How can you argue that this doesn't jive with treati...

Yes, what about it? I keep on asking.

Besides, the map is not the territory.

I still believe there's more to philosophy than a cartography. You expressed this in your subsequent posts to the OP about there being more anatomical...

*Posty wonders*, what is the narrator making of all this mockery? Where does disidentification factor in?

What are these two terms you use so, I can understand you better? I understand that they can work in tandem or one on the other; but, I don't know the...

Not at all. I don't think so at least.

I meant to say that an increase in dimensionality increases information. Your point about making a philosophical cartography wouldn't capture the enti...

So, is your description of how changes in dimensionality don't result in increases of information available to the total state space true or false?

Then take the saying, a picture is worth a thousand words. You have that as a common saying, even among ordinary folk. But, what you're trying to do i...

No, this is about disidentification and not philosophy and analysis. More psychology if you ask me. Disidentification is contrary to the identificatio...

Then the decision of salience must be guided by truth to be in accord with reality, and once the truth is known about its nature, then the rest of the...

No, to a three dimensional observation, the map can only present itself as an image in two dimensions. Much like how actors in real life look differen...

The context please.

What are those?

This would all wonderfully be true if philosophy only existed in 3 dimensions. Cartography doesn't account for the fourth dimension that philosophy ex...

But he showed, by reason, in a self justifying manner that bias can be checked in place by reason. Meaning empirically that bias can be uneducated fro...

But, I've already accepted my depression. So, now what?

So, a matter of choice or significance about what we value? Is that the issue?

Well, animals mourn and are not fearful of death. It's just a natural thing for them that they witness every day. Animals can become depressed or sad ...

Understood. I keep on using my depression as a template. But, what would you say in the abstract about people who identify with some affliction too cl...

I don't feel as though we are taught to fear it. Think about elephants or chimpanzees that mourn the dead. They don't show fear towards the dead, just...

Indeed, yet we are here talking about it.

Yes. Have I identified too closely with depression then? What use can disidentification serve?

Yeah, that's a tough question. Just look at the wiki entry on "Identity formation."

Thanks Baden! :party:

I think 0 through 9, did a better job at describing disidentification than I did. Reference to his post in case I might have made things ambiguous. It...

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You could stop the disidentification process and begin a new identity, in theory. What I was referring to the ideal self, was the concept of applying ...

Both.

Yes, and yes. Yes. This is the whole goal I think of it as your ideal self if that makes any sense. Transpersonal psychology night be of service and h...

I haven't. Thanks for bringing that up. I doubt I'll attend any meetings; but, it's cool that they have those.

So, I've been working on this issue and think disidentification is detachment. Detachment from the process of identity formation of an existing identi...

So, whereof one cannot speak, one must be silent? But, this just reinforces the social stigma of talking about death.

I started a thread about identifying too closely with depression. I find it helpful to dissociate myself from that identity from time to time when thi...

But it isn't only depression is it? Sounds a fair deal of anxiety and social anxiety lumped in there too.

Is depression also apart of your identity about yourself? Speaking as a fellow depressive, although not clinically. It sounds like you have to restabl...

Seems it's only me then. Oh shucks. Happy birthday to me.

Would that make us irrational then, to fear death? If nothing can be done about it's inevitability then isn't the proper attitude to calmy accept it?

Yes, I've read Krishnamurti quite a bit a couple years back. I prefer plain old vanilla Buddhism though. What did you get out of Krishnamurti? At time...

I'm having a TPF birthday party. :party: :100:

So, then let's start with this if both can't be had.

Is disidentification only a conscious process or do we employ it on a subconscious or unconscious level? I seem to think that we are inherently proces...