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So, I'm curious as to how your account makes sense of the content of the belief as well as what the belief is about... If we say that Jack believes of...

Then I suggest you peruse the last couple of weeks worth of posts by yours truly here in this thread, because you seem to have either ignored or misse...

When we say that S holds a belief, has a belief, or forms a belief, what exactly is it that we are claiming that S holds, has, or has formed? When we ...

The notion of "mental" is problematic for it rests upon dichotomous frameworks, none of which are capable of taking proper account of that which consi...

That is false on it's face. We learned to use the word "belief" in the context of specific linguistic practices, but those practices were not about be...

We've been using the term belief for thousands of years. We've been attributing beliefs to ourselves and others for at least that long. Some attribute...

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There is usually more than one interpretation for any report. That is not a problem, especially when the author painstakingly details what is meant wi...

Believing is far more complex a process than this thread shows, that's for sure. The content of belief can be very different than what the belief is a...

That's where the idea that knowledge claims consist of propositions believed to be true by those justified in doing so came from. It's the whole S kno...

Yes, indeed we have had similar conversations about this in past. I remember that. You may find it interesting to know that there is a distinction to ...

So, are you saying here that it seems to you that the above is not self-contradictory, but "they believe a spherical object is flat", somehow is? And ...

:worry: So you think we ought fit our understanding of belief into our understanding of belief ascription... I'm going to think about that for a minut...

The common denominator between the problematic beliefs in question seems to be that they are all false, unbeknownst to the believer. The oddest part o...

This is the best yet. Well done. Then again... So, we cannot say of those people that they believe that a spherical object is flat(there are still fla...

A sentence is semantically de re just in case it permits substitution of co-designating terms salva veritate. Otherwise, it is semantically de dicto. ...

They show interesting issues with our reports, that's true. However, I find that those problematic reports are based - sometimes at least - upon a mis...

Indeed, he will.

To the best of my knowledge, the broken clock belief has yet to have been properly accounted for in Russell's example. In the defense of convention, t...

You're the one invoking the dichotomy. I'm guessing it's an utterly inadequate one, like most other historically philosophical ones. You tell me... Wh...

Is that supposed to be clearer and more accurate somehow than just admitting that we can mistakenly believe that a broken clock is working?

It has everything to do with it, for it is the basis of belief as propositional attitude. My understanding of belief ascriptions is based upon my unde...

First you agree with my saying that Jack believed a broken clock was working, then you add a colon and claim he did not believe a broken clock was wor...

No. Jack's mistaken belief has propositional content. A cat's cannot. Both can be rendered using propositions.

That is one of the places where convention goes wrong. That's Gettier's foothold as well. Jack believed that a broken clock was working. Smith believe...

The all share the same set of truth conditions. So, in that sense they're about the same things...

Jack believed a broken clock was working. While holding such a belief, Jack cannot have an attitude towards the proposition "a broken clock was workin...

I've given the simplest of them. They've not been given subsequent due attention. Not once. What sort of argument would you say counts as a negation i...

Why are you looking where the problem is not showing itself?

He does not - cannot - believe that "the broken clock is working" is true while believing that the broken clock is working, because he does not know i...

If we were in Jack's room... We could show Jack the error. Jack would readily agree that he had indeed believed that that particular broken clock was ...

It was a broken clock that he believed to be working.

The first rings hollow... the second is nonsense. The sentence "that is a tree" is not about language. In the context of this discussion... By virtue ...

Are you objecting to the above quote?

What I said was enough. I admire your brevity, when it's appropriate. I'll mimic.

I'm genuinely confused by your hesitance to agree. Russell, Gettier, and Moore all took JTB to task. It's not survived very well. No one seems to have...

He does not believe the propositional form of the belief that he actually holds about a broken clock. That's the whole point of showing how that pract...

Which account is true? Is it just any clock, or it is one that stopped?

If that is the case, then it is also the case that either language less creatures cannot have belief or propositions do not need language. Seems to me...

The scope of possible rightful application would be any and all claims and/or positions that are about human thought and belief, and any and all claim...

The position I've been putting forth spans several branches.

Why would what I know about Jack's belief not be included in my account thereof? It's my account afterall.

I'm the one making the positive assertion. The burden of proof is mine. Should you say I'm wrong, the burden of showing how is on you. I've more than ...

That's one way to put it. It's not the job of common language to take proper account of propositional logic. If common language talks about things tha...

It should if Jack's belief is false.

I'd be interested in seeing some sort of logical argument from you that supports the otherwise gratuitous assertions. I've already provided the same.

Jack's belief is false. Jack does not know that. My account of what Jack knows about his belief does reflect what he knows about his belief, as well a...

Some Trump followers believe a lie. They do not know that there was not wide-spread election fraud significant enough to have altered the outcome of t...

The importance of rigid designators...

Are you saying that Jack should know that the clock is broken in order to believe it is working? Surely not.