In your rendering of my contentions here, you've placed far too much importance on the notions of intentional, intensional, and extensional. One in my...
That is a barn, therefore there is at least one barn on that land. That is a sheep, therefore there is at least one sheep in that field. That clock is...
That barn facade is a barn, therefore there is at least one barn on that land. That sheet hanging from a clothesline is a sheep, therefore there is at...
There's a certain bit of irony here. I could say "pots and kettles" too... Need I remind you of the absolute mess you made of the notion during the de...
That's not at all convincing to an astute audience. Gratuitous assertions such as these may convince some, but not I. We'll see if I'm wrong. That has...
(That broken clock is working) has been proposed as the belief from the beginning. Any change was for elucidation only, not as a way to avoid valid ob...
I think that it would be helpful to show how the objection is inapplicable to what I'm arguing here. Your example is one of switching referents. Mine ...
Belief that that barn facade was a barn. Belief that that sheet hanging from a clothesline was a sheep. Belief that that man dressed in a sheep suit w...
Your notion of what counts as being within the scope of our belief includes only what we would assent to if asked. Jack would assent to once believing...
At least not while he believed that the broken clock was working. I would agree if what counts as being within the scope of our belief are only what w...
Well, yes and no. While believing that that broken clock was working, it would be impossible. However, after becoming aware of the fact that he believ...
There are some interesting aspects to some of your objections. However, we seem to be having difficulty focusing upon what I think is of importance. T...
The example is akin to believing that a facade is a barn, or a sheet is a sheep. These could all be broken down into two propositions as Moore did wit...
I'm going to postpone any further replies to you for now. You seem to be taking things personally. Mea culpa on a few of those things you said in the ...
We're all stubborn around here. :smile: I understand that and most of what others are objecting to. The rendering of the belief as (a broken clock is ...
We're in agreement there. I've never argued otherwise. The content of belief is what the debate is about. Jack believes(or believed) that a broken clo...
Jack believed that a broken clock was working. So, Banno, I'm wondering what you think of this? It seems to be not at all problematic for being render...
You're either forgetful or dishonest. You have been levying charges against the claim. That's not something one does unless the claim is problematic, ...
Jack cannot believe both simultaneously, that the clock is broken, and that a broken clock is working. There is no possibility of misunderstanding wha...
Indeed. That is at issue. I'm waiting for a valid objection. Rather than propose something I've not, would it not just be easier to answer the questio...
Which clock does he think is not broken? The broken one. Clearly, he does believe something about a broken clock. He believes that the broken clock is...
We're not discussing knowledge. What's your view wrt belief? Do you agree that in the Russell and Gettier cases that the belief was properly accounted...
I got it then. You agreed with what I wrote, changed that, and then denounced the change. If you wish to see how they could be rendered similarly... I...
:up: So, is it safe to say that - on your view - the content of Jack's belief is equivalent to Jack's belief and that Jack's belief is about something...
Mea culpa! :blush: Jack's belief is that the clock is working. I just saw the answer a few replies back... Okay, so then we have... Jack's belief is t...
According to your answers in the last reply... The content of Jack's belief is "That clock is working". Jack's belief is about a clock he does not rea...
No. I repeated what neomac said and you seemed to agree with. Evidently I was wrong, and you do not agree with neo's rendering either. So, I am asking...
So then, Are you saying that Jack believes of a broken clock that it is working, and that the content of Jack's belief is "That clock is working"? Gra...
I write something that you agree with. You change what I write. You disagree with and denounce the change, not what I wrote. Evidently, you cannot see...
That does not answer the question I asked. The discussion is all about what counts as the content of some belief or another. So, again... If we say th...
Plato is perhaps best attributed with the original conception of JTB. Nonetheless, JTB presupposes belief as propositional attitude, as you yourself h...
Gettier. Russell. Moore. Both Gettier cases, Russell's clock, and Moore's paradox all directly involve and/or include false belief, but none of the th...
Mary's room is based upon the dubious presupposition that we can learn anything about seeing red without seeing red. Qualia is neither ineffable, nor ...
Earlier you mentioned that one interpretation of believing that a broken clock is working would lead to what seems to be Jack holding self-contradicto...
An all too common error; the conflation of meaning and causality. The former requires being meaningful to something or someone, whereas the latter doe...
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