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Only if one falls for false analogies... A better one would be no fruit, no fruit juice... Whether or not I am making sense is determined by the frame...

Concepts are linguistic. Some point to things that exist in their entirety prior to our becoming aware of them... Do not confuse the concept with what...

Trust is indeed pre-linguistic, for in addition to an agents' trusting it's own physiological sensory perception, during language acquisition, the stu...

Pigeons can learn what to choose in order to get what comes after... Classic post hoc ergo prompter hoc 'reasoning'... the attribution of causality. O...

Belief must be significant and/or meaningful to the believer. Our reports are not always, nor need they be. However, we cannot claim that our reports ...

It is interesting, to me at least, how much agreement there is regarding much of this... With Banno I agree that no language, no concept. Think of a c...

"Jack believes his bowl is empty" is a report of Jack's belief. We've returned to this discussion repeatedly. I've shown several issues with the accou...

I rest my case.

Just curious Meta... Please state the criterion for both, what it takes to be true and what it takes to be justified... on your view.

Sing it with me kids... "'J' stands for justified" "'T' stands for truth" "'B' stands for belief" They are three different qualifications for the JTB ...

Meta must think that his current belief system determines whether or not people prior to Copernicus had justified belief. :rofl:

I can not only most certainly believe that their belief was justified, I can state that I know that it was. How? Because conventional wisdom at the ti...

Measuring the justification of another's belief requires considering the reasons that another holds such belief. That requires considering what the co...

They believe X. X is justified. I believe that X is and was a justified belief based upon what they thought that they knew at the time. That's all any...

The more I hear Trump the more I love Mueller...

Morality is all about what counts as acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. All such criterion are existentially contingent upon s...

The fact is that for whatever reason Meta cannot see his own mistake, no matter how many times it has been pointed out to him. Truth is not justificat...

At any rate, it's all about the content of our thought and belief, and whether or not we can justifiably say anything at all with regard to non-lingui...

You may be surprised how many folk believe that meaning requires language. Some hold that meaning does not require thought and/or belief(mind) either....

Perhaps the underlying debate question would be akin to an earlier debate between Landru and I... Is meaning prior to language? If a non-linguistic cr...

Seems that I'm usually the one bearing the greatest burden. That comes with the territory of bucking conventional 'wisdom'... I welcome it, and it app...

:yum: I may just be looking to argue against current convention. I may be the one claiming that the conventional notion of animal cognition is wrong.

There is nothing of the self that is either object or subject... all of it is both, in some way. Thus, the dichotomy is out of it's bound to start wit...

Think what you want. 'X' was justified and false at the specified time. 'X' is still justified(for the people at that time) and false. Your claim that...

I'm not looking for someone who agrees with me. I'm looking for someone who does not, and can show me where I go wrong... and vice-versa.

What counts as the best method would be the debate. It would involve arguing for a criterion(a set of necessary and sufficient conditions) - which whe...

Gettier is - perhaps - lying, but not about whether S is justified in believing Q. That justification is - quite simply - had by S's following the rul...

I believe both that 'X' is false and justified. Let 'X' be "The sun revolves around the earth". Let the timeframe be more than four centuries prior to...

I could actually envision a fantastic debate where the participants debate over the method itself. What is the 'best' method for endeavoring to seek k...

So, given all the superb suggestions, perhaps it's best to focus upon what our thought and belief consists of. That needs to be established prior to e...

That sounds like a debate, but it's not about the target, it's about us. I can envision a healthy debate regarding whether or not what we claim to kno...

No worries. I didn't realize that, or think about it like that, but certainly could have... perhaps should have. It is these types of situations that ...

Not interested naner... Hang out with Meta... birds of a feather and all...

Nicely put Csal... We are both objects in the world and subjects taking an account of it and/or ourselves... I think that the dichotomy of subject/obj...

As it pertains to certainty... Certainty is an attitude, a confidence as it were. One can be certain of X when X is false. One can also be certain of ...

You should've read the rest of that statement. Stopping in mid sentence neglects the reasoning offered for why any reasonable person would say that S ...

As always... good stuff drake. Much to consider...

Again. Yes. Well put.

Yes. That's a fine idea. I may just do that.

The "how" part of the OP was about method. How do, could, or would we acquire such knowledge.

I would argue in the negative if the debate question were "Is a model capable of predicting non-linguistic animal behaviour equialent to knowledge of ...

Now we not only have truth and justification being conflated, but belief as well? Oh brother... I can believe that 'X' is true, while knowing that I d...

Earlier I offered an example of someone fearing for their life based upon good reason(camping in a strange environment, an unknown animal coming towar...

Folk back in the day were totally justified in believing that the sun revolved around the earth. Based upon all they knew, it was a reasonable conclus...

What is that supposed to mean? What is 'enough information to make justified statements about probabilities? I mean, does he know all the influencing ...

Well, I've my own argument against what Gettier does, and it's becoming sharper. However, it's all about the belief aspect, as hinted at in my first p...

I'm with you. Psuedonym's comment seems to be attempting to help sharpen the debate question, not actually discuss it. Cuth doesn't look serious. Cava...

Hopefully, we can sharpen the question here without getting into the topic. I mean, if need be?

Hmmm... I could most certainly be trusting my memory of another who was wrong. I do not have a source, nor do I feel compelled to dispute it. I'll go ...

I suppose I understand the notion of the difference between the way things appear and the way things are when it comes to external objects. When it co...