creativesoul

Or... You could just as easily talk yourself into the idea that you are depressed. You could know all there is to know about being depressed. You coul...

I wouldn't think so, but it may be the case given the sheer complexity built into our self-awareness. My cat is self-aware in some rudimentary sense u...

The purposes of this thread are based upon an utterly impossible notion... that of granting or bestowing sentience. It doesn't work that way.

Let me try this again... What I meant to point out was that your depression, I would venture to say, is the result of certain things being certain way...

Historically speaking, philosophy proper has not drawn and maintained the irrevocable utterly crucial distinction between thought and belief and think...

This is off the OP, but warrants a bit of attention since it's been raised here again... On my view, "holding a belief" is a proxy phrase meant to sim...

So it is only while one is actually verbally expressing "The cat is on the mat" that s/he holds that belief... You have something better than this to ...

So, beliefs are not expressions of belief, but rather beliefs are held only within the verbal expressions of believing... Yeah. That's exactly the kin...

Gotta love the irony... Dontcha? :vomit:

You do realize that I can set out precisely what that process includes? Can you?

Held... Like keys?

In short, all thought and belief consist entirely of mental correlations. There are no examples to the contrary.

Well no. That's not what I'm saying. Yes. Surely there's a distinction between elemental constitution and existential dependency. There's also a relat...

That's odd. If there's nothing to disagree with, and what's been said is applicable to everything talked about, then one could begin application of th...

If thought and belief are not determinate objects, and verbal expressions of thought and belief are, then it only follows that verbal expressions of t...

Well sure, if that was all I was saying... I'm sure most folk would agree. On the other hand, there is a large swath of philosophers who would not... ...

Well of course. Language enables us to become aware of the fact that we have thought and belief, in addition to allowing us to be able to think about ...

Well, if you're ok with it, then who am I to dissuade you?

In short, all thought and belief consist entirely of mental correlations.

Well not really. It's expressing the fact that all thought and belief are existentially dependent upon other things.

So, thought and belief that are dependent upon language are determinate objects?

Well, for someone who has levied several different charges against my position, I'm surprised that you do not know what I mean by "elemental constitue...

Why is it ok to talk about thought and belief that is existentially dependent upon language in terms of being held but it is not ok to talk about thou...

Well, I think coming to understand what one values and why is imperative to understanding oneself. Understanding oneself is necessary for overcoming d...

See above...

Secondly, I'm wondering what counts as being a determinate object? I strongly assert that all thought and belief consists of the same basic set of ele...

I've a couple of directions to go from this. First... Indeed. Banno has raised this point a number of times. I'm not denying that I'm prone to talk in...

Certainly some animals mourn. I do not see the relevance of that to death being a taboo subject to some people. You may not have been taught to fear d...

Simply put, be very careful when you decide what's important and what's not.

I cannot help you with that.

Activities and processes are things... are they not? :yikes:

It's only taboo to those who've not come to acceptable terms with it. Many are taught to fear it. That teaching can run deep. Others are taught that i...

Don't forget that one's self-identity is largely a social construct, and as such is not at all immune to people doing things to fit in or simply to ge...

Mixed, as in more than one kind? Sure. Mixed, as in having completely contradictory ones all at the same time? No. Mixed, as in having completely cont...

Hey csal. I may be wrong here, but could it just be the case that you've been faced with a reality check, so to speak? I mean, it sounds like you may ...

My birth is/was not existentially dependent upon my death. My death is existentially dependent upon my birth. The whole of my experience is all of it....

Oh, but you have not. You provided a contradictory claim. A gratuitous assertion, nonetheless, that has been subsequently, and quite validly, shown to...

Rubbish. The discovery of carbon was an experience. The discovery of carbon is not, was not, and is/was in no way at all existentially dependent upon ...

Making up your own laws? Nice. Does that make them true? :lol:

Strictly speaking, we all are.

There's the claim in question. Fill it out with your counterexample. There are two variables. Given them value.

You're making no sense. Talking in terms of a continuum is not a problem for the outline. Evidently, you do not understand what a valid counterexample...

What proves it is that there are no examples to the contrary. None. That's the strongest possible justificatory ground.

Alright, let's fill this out a bit... My mother gave birth to me. All my experience prior to this conversation cannot be existentially dependent upon ...

What I'm arguing only requires one example to the contrary in order to negate it. Ya got one or not? Vague bald assertions won't do here.

A badge of honor. The price of novelty. Many more do today than did a decade ago. What I'm talking about hasn't changed much at all.

I think that how we're using the term "justify" is the root of our misunderstanding. When one justifies his/her claims, they provide the ground(s) to ...

It's one in the same difference. I've already set it out. Have a look for yourself.

I would concur that a claim to knowledge is not equivalent to having knowledge..