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Trees?

That would explain some things... Are you claiming that we cannot use complex analysis as a means for acquiring knowledge of that which existed in it'...

I disagree here. You've presupposed what needs argued for, and arrived at the realization that the account needs some unaccounted for notion of falsit...

Non-linguistic creatures have no choice but to 'trust' physiological sensory perception. They also 'trust' the correlations, associations, connections...

I think we agree that all (reasonable/justifiable)doubt is belief-based(trust-based on your framework). It seems you've also implied that doubt is dep...

Can one trust prior to being able to doubt? Seems to me that a maintained trust that there is a "correspondence to fact/reality" requires understandin...

So clearly there is a need here. How do we determine which parts/entities of our analysis are pre-reflective(what parts/entities could be prelinguisti...

Ok. I'm much less interested than I was. That was a direct relevant question. The entire project hinges upon the answer.

Do you have a standard by which you determine what counts as non linguistic thought and/or belief content? If so, what is it and how did you arrive at...

Here you've invoked the need for trust/belief prior to associations between things. I replace trust/belief with presupposing the existence thereof. Al...

Which of these kinds of belief is not existentially dependent upon language? I cannot see how any of this belief content is existentially possible wit...

There are some differences in our frameworks. I think it would be helpful here to revisit our agreements and then offer an overall outline for the pur...

I too find myself between these two extremes:The one side denying any and all non linguistic thought and belief based upon an utterly inadequate frame...

I would readily agree that language less creatures presuppose both reality and the correspondence of their own thought and belief with/to reality. I c...

You're more than welcome javra. You are free to do as you see fit with regard to this discussion, but for me at least... it looked like it had a certa...

Yup... If you feel obligated to tell one cheated on, I would think you ought tell the cheater that... Guaranteed they would want to be the one to let ...

I saw that. Not trying nor wanting to be pedantic about it, but while I can understand the desire to use an already existing phrase it can become quit...

The same way it does within language use. It is validly inferred from pre-existing true belief, actual events, the way things are/were, and/or some co...

There is no way to sensibly talk about pre-linguistic justification. There is also no need.

The issue I've been at pains to point out goes unnoticed more often than not. Treating the terms "justified" and "well-grounded" as equally interchang...

The act of justification does not make a belief well-grounded. Being well-grounded is the criterion for being justified. The act of justification is u...

Who would deny that when a creature is learning that fire hurts when touched that that creature's belief is not well-grounded? Learning how to use lan...

There's more than one reason people complain. There's also more than one reason people do not.

My ducks, the wee ones that is, express their hunger by virtue of partially opened mouthes and walking back and forth between my chair and the food bi...

Gotta love those foregone conclusions... I put it to you that the flight engineers aren't considering all of the relevant facts. The same is true of y...

I already understood you just fine. You're now assigning a singular value(X and Y) to a plurality of different things, and some of these things are th...

There are some simple things that we can know and work from there. All language consists of shared meaning. Whatever shared meaning requires, then so ...

We agree here. I'm trying to show you how you can know. You began in the right place, by looking towards known examples of thought. It is a particular...

This is self-contradictory on it's face. Thought - if something that we can become aware of - must exist prior to our becoming aware of it, lest there...

This is a specious claim. It is borne of sorely neglecting to draw and maintain the meaningful distinction between a report and what is being reported...

We look to language to find thought. There is no reason to believe that all thought must consist of language. All predication does.

These questions have already been adequately answered. It may be helpful to address the post I made just prior to this one.

Some predicate-less creatures are capable of drawing correlations between their own behavior and what happens afterwards. These are causal connections...

A creature capable of drawing correlations, connections, and/or associations between different things.

Calling something "the bottom of things" presupposes that we've arrived at a basis. Predication is a part of the basis of all spoken/written language....

In articulation... That's key, I would think.

That's a good start. It doesn't follow that all thought is existentially dependent upon predication.

Her Spirit Still Lives The saddest of men once came to me He swore that some things just could not be They way that they seemed within his mind So chu...

In a trivial way, in order for the universe to be as it is with humans in it, it must have humans in it.

I am drawing and maintaining the crucial distinction between belief and reports thereof. JTB is about reports thereof. I am claiming that well-grounde...

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When one justifies their belief to another, we say that that belief has been justified. We do not say that that belief has been well-grounded. We say ...

Is it? Stating the ground is social. Learning another's ground is social. Fire causes discomfort when touched. That doesn't require language to learn....

One cannot provide the ground of a belief to another privately. Providing ground is existentially dependent upon language. Language is social. That's ...

I'm suddenly reminded of Davidson. Paraphrasing... if one knows what it would take for a claim to be true, then one knows what the claim means. The co...

Gibberish.

Look, all you're doing is talking about stuff that makes sense in it's own context. Your mistake is not realizing that what you've put forth is not a ...

I've nothing further...

What is it that is so importantly wrong such that it requires you to be continually and/or repeatedly depressed and/or sad about it?

You can do this solely by virtue of trying to remember how you felt at the worst times. That would be during the times when things were either horribl...