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Seems Kripke is claiming that what we can and/or cannot say about the referent of proper nouns within possible world scenarios is not determined by th...

Good questions. Is there some special pleading happening?

The dent isn't an essential part of the lectern is it? It's not made of a dent. The dent does, however, help us to refer to it as opposed to other lec...

I've not claimed that possible world discourse 'can do without' descriptions, definite or otherwise(whatever the hell that's supposed to mean).

Kripke is talking about possible world scenarios involving both proper names and descriptions. Agree?

Making sense of what I said first requires at least an accurate account thereof. Start there. I'm not interested in defending your misrepresentation o...

Ooooh... :yikes: Hmmmm... That doesn't seem to follow from anything I've read thus far... That's not as frightening a claim...

I think that there's actually much to be uncovered by virtue of our teasing out some nuance here. Particularly, there's much packed up into the notion...

So, I'm not sure that his focus was upon counterfactuals exclusively. Rather, I took his notion of possible world scenarios to be one of a much more m...

I'm ok with that. This one doesn't sit as well... Help me out, if you would... :smile: Wait, I think I understand... Instead B may have never existed(...

Mirror mirror... :roll: Anyone can look and judge for themselves what's taken place here. Kripke is claiming that during possible world discourse usin...

C'mon... You can do it.

You're being a twit. Kripke is talking about possible world scenarios involving both proper names and descriptions. Agree or disagree? I'm going to sp...

Well, I'm going off of what Kripke wrote about stipulating the circumstances thereof. Those can be either true or false with respect to the actual wor...

Look Janus... Offer up a possible world scenario using both proper names and descriptions. Then we can look to see if what you say about Kripke's posi...

I'm going to wait a bit prior to replying to you. I implore you to re-read the post that you're replying to.

I'd like to say a bit more here... What Kripke says about our use of proper nouns and/or descriptions as a means for hypothetical discourse is true. T...

All knowledge of elemental constituents is existentially dependent upon naming practices. Not all elemental constituents are. Some elemental constitue...

You see what I did there? :brow: Kripke's notion of "rigid designator" includes proper nouns used within possible world scenarios, and excludes descri...

There is no need to fry the best fish.

The above is about existential dependency. I do not think that you understand what Kripke is getting at. I think that understanding what Kripke is get...

All possible worlds, according to Kripke, consist of stipulated alternative circumstances. The actual world does not.

Designation includes naming but ostension and/or description does not. All cases of successful reference are dependent upon one or more of these three...

So, reference by designation includes naming but reference by description and/or ostension does not? Ok. Seems agreeable enough.

I'm a bit skeptical regarding this use of "necessary". Is Kripke showing and/or arguing that acceptable cases of essentialism can be adequately exhaus...

Maybe you're right Banno... lecture three looks like we're getting into the good stuff. :wink:

Could that which is called a "marsupial" have been called by some other name? Sure, but it wasn't. Could marsupials have a different set of common den...

Being a marsupial includes but is not limited to being one of things that we have named "marsupial". All things we call "marsupials" share a set of co...

What is that additional something that all designation has that no other successful reference by ostension and/or description does? I mean what does r...

Rest well. I hear ya. I think all of it is much more simple than these accounts make it seem to be.

That reply did not answer the question. It was straightforward. That said, that reply did skirt around some interesting things that Kripke does. Can y...

That makes two of us. What's their relevance?

Since you seem to have more time than earlier... I'm curious about the other stuff.

Ah, whatever... Keep talking like that. My chair gave me a splinter. The splinter gave me pain. The meter bar does not give me either. My chair does n...

The original description under our mutual consideration was "the president of the United States".

You're changing targets.

Are meter bars the sort of things that are capable of giving anything at all?

The manner of speaking regarding the author of that text...

What are you talking about Janus? "The president of the United States" cannot be used to pick out Trump in all hypothetical scenarios because some of ...

This is standard rubbish based upon a gross misconception of how meaning is always attributed... The meter bar fixes the reference by virtue of a capa...

In this world, at this time... sure. That entirely misses the point though doesn't it?

I fail to see the importance of that as it applies to my last couple of posts. That does not mean that it is not. It means that I have not drawn corre...

I'm claiming that that bit is wrong. If we have called someone or something "X", and we later come to learn that X is not what we thought it was, it's...

So, if it turns out that the celestial body we thought to be Pluto is not a planet, then we were wrong to think it was Pluto? Yeah, something is most ...

If it turns out the fellow we thought was Nixon was an automata, then we weren't wrong to think he was Nixon. Rather, we were quite wrong to think Nix...

This seems quite wrong...

I think that you and I hold very similar views regarding several different aspects of this topic. Even during the objections I didn't see that much di...

The semantics of possible world discourse is established by virtue of how we use the relevant terms in the actual world. The actual world does not con...

Definite description is capable of being used to successfully refer to something other than the unique object which satisfies the conditions therein. ...

More importantly, as a result of not taking the speaker's belief into proper account, if we are claiming that definite descriptions are adequate for p...