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What's the difference between believing that X is immoral, and X being immoral?

"X is wrong". Person A agrees. Person B does not. According to S, neither person can be mistaken. That would require the statement to be both true and...

So X's being wrong is determined solely by virtue of being contrary to one's belief. :yikes: If that were the case no one could ever be wrong, and eve...

Is believing that X is wrong the same as X's being so?

Is being called "wrong" the same as being so?

No! The respect of X is the moral aspect.

If you said X is believed to be moral and believed to be not moral, there would not be an issue.

You are one. You are saying that X is moral, and X is not moral at the same time.

I may not be able to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I'm certainly not trying to. I'll grant everything you've said here. One cannot say of somethin...

Really now. So you don't believe what you write?

There are numerous variations of moral relativism, and moral subjectivism... If what I wrote doesn't apply to you, then either ignore it or expand upo...

Who said anything about 'moral properties'?

Is that your disposition?

That which is existentially dependent upon human thought and belief is subjective. Everything that has ever been spoken, written, and/or otherwise utt...

Morality(belief about acceptable/unacceptable behaviour) differs according to cultural, familial, historical, and other particulars. It does not follo...

Here we go. Yes. Just like other true statements, a moral statement is true if it corresponds to fact/states of affairs/what has happened. Now... What...

For those who claim that some statements can be true, but not moral ones... What's the difference? What makes the one truth-apt, but not the other?

This coming from one who is talking about the statement... :snicker:

We need not remember something to know it. Explaining the differences in moral belief requires knowing what belief is. I'm not sure any conventional p...

This notion of being correct from a point of view... Is agreement equivalent to truth? No.

That can be explained by virtue of looking at how all of us form our first worldview(replete with moral belief). Language acquisition.

Morality is distinct from other kinds of thought/blief about acceptable/unacceptable behaviour because it involves how humans treat each other and oth...

To say that the same behaviour is both moral/immoral is incoherent, and as such it is not acceptable. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about bei...

Morality(having a 'sense' of what's morally right/wrong) is best understood as a human condition. We are interdependent social creatures by our very n...

Moral belief differs. How we deal with that is another matter altogether.

This misses the point. There is no true/moral from my point of view but false/immoral from yours. That would be to say that the same behaviour is both...

This is a common way to think about things after one has come to understand and thus incorporate the possibility of unexpected events altering one's b...

So... If what counts as being moral/immoral is relative/subjective, then they could not be wrong about it. There has to be something aside from our ow...

Not sure I understand you. If the rest of the world believes that assassinating, stealing, and torturing others is acceptable as long as it make one w...

Well, let's fill in the variable and see! Let X be do whatever it takes to acquire wealth. One could steal, murder, lie, assassinate, etc. If everyone...

If everybody did X, would the world be a better place?

Say we have a group of friends, one which we all know is a jester. S/he is prone to saying all sorts of stuff just to make people laugh. Outlandish st...

Imagine a situation where we do not know whether or not a speaker is being honest/speaking sincerely. We have much different expectations from sinceri...

I'm piddling around to see if some sense can be made of the claim that moral statements are truth-apt. Unfortunately, it seems to me at least, most mo...

When an insincere speaker says "I promise to plant you a rose garden", unless s/he is mistaken, there ought not be a rose garden planted. If they are,...

One who knows what a statement means also knows what ought to be the case(what ought be discovered) when we check. That is... when one knows what a st...

I agree. Good that I'm not. The substitution doesn't work Banno for it cannot be made without losing crucial meaning. I do not mean what is the case b...

When a sincere speaker says "It's raining outside", unless they're mistaken, it ought be raining outside. If they're mistaken, it ought not be. When a...

Indeed. Unless they're talking about the statement itself.

What has happened and what is happening are one in the same by the time you've spoken about it. What has happened/what is happening... these are facts...

I wanted to clarify something with you, since you mentioned it more than just once. "It is raining outside" does not mean the same thing as "I think/b...

Bewitched by language use much? There's a period of time between your report and what your reporting upon(what happened). I wouldn't expect one who ha...

When a sincere statement is made then the world ought match the meaning of the expression... and always does unless the speaker is mistaken. The same ...

Facts are what has happened.

All statements are true/false solely by virtue of correspondence to what has happened. Moral statements are no different. If you cannot figure out a s...

The human moral sensibility is built upon thought/belief(rudimentary) and thinking about thought and belief(complex thought/belief replete with naming...

No thanks Sapientia. You've already made up your mind.

It's not about keeping a promise. Read the eyesore.