creativesoul

So you're saying that there's no difference between having a specific thought and having specific thought in mind. To me, having a specific thought in...

I think I can dispense with the practice of using it as a predicate as well as talking in terms of kinds of existence.

Alright... What's the difference between having specific thoughts and having specific thoughts in mind?

To a very large extent, what you say here is undeniable given my own work.

They do have/hold specific thoughts. That is not to say that they have specific thoughts in mind. Having specific thoughts in mind is to think about t...

This bears witness to major differences between our frameworks; our criteria for what counts as thought/belief seem to be directly at odds. You've sai...

Well. To be clear, he denied having thoughts too....

So, the only commonality between different kinds of existence is the term "existence"?

Seems we all agree that the way humans have and/or hold belief is more complex than the way non linguistic creatures' do. Denying those differences re...

A bit of context for you... That's a critique from Janus regarding my practice of saying that non-linguistic creatures can form, have, and/or hold tho...

Think Pavlov's dog here... If a creature draws a correlation between the sound of a bell and eating, then the creature has formed rudimentary thought/...

The answer to your question is right there, is it not? Having thoughts, according to Janus, requires language whereas thinking evidently does not. Of ...

I suppose he thinks/believes that thinking does not require having thoughts. You'll have to ask him "why?". That's a psychological question.

Oh, where are my manners? Thanks.

He denied that animals can have thoughts at all. He's wrong. Having thought is drawing correlations between different things. Thinking is the same.

That's a great point? :yikes: That is to say that thinking is not having thoughts. That's nonsense. We talk about our thought/belief. We have them pri...

Genius and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee just the same as ignorance and five bucks. The more I engage with this talk of existence as a subje...

So, these are all different kinds of the same thing... purportedly. That 'thing' is existence itself(whatever that is). That is the problem for me. Wh...

I'm thinking that all the talk about kinds of existence can be effectively replaced by better language use. The "better" would be earned by keeping al...

There is a difference between the presupposition of existence within non-linguistic thought/belief and an idea of existence. The latter is existential...

Could we also not say that the thing is existentially dependent upon other things?

It may be interesting to compare/contrast our different methods. I mean I'm wondering what would happen if I attempted to translate the practice when ...

No, and you've got me re-considering the best way to parse non linguistic correlation.

I cannot agree. The idea of existence comes after something to talk about. Thus, in terms of being basic to human thinking, the idea of existence is a...

All correlation presupposes the existence of it's own content. Some correlation is prior to language use. The presupposition of existence is prior to ...

Existential dependency includes both internal and external elements.

My notion of existential dependency does not require talking in terms of a thing's existence. That's true and is shown. That argument is taking accoun...

Non-linguistic creatures can know that touching fire causes pain. There is no stronger justificatory ground than getting burned. Are we to say that th...

I was mentioning it. It can be completely removed from the argument without losing meaning. This can be shown if you'd like. Because it can be dropped...

What happens when we lose the talk about kinds of existence? Clarity. For example fiction is existentially dependent upon an author.

Not on my view.

There it is. Let's critique it.

All use of the term "existence" is language use. All language use is existentially dependent upon language acquisition. All language acquisition is ex...

Nah. I'm not worried if you're ok with it.

In some uses. I use "existentially dependent" and "existential dependency". So here, the term "existential" demarcates a kind of dependency not a kind...

Hmmm... Good thread topic my friend. Could be a bit of fun. In order for a belief to be sensibly called "justified"...fill in the blank. Does being ju...

That's not true, because I'm not talking in such terms. I'm talking about the thing being existentially dependent upon something else. That talk is gr...

Sure. True statements are so regardless of whether or not any particular individual speaker believes them. With that in mind, some folk will say that ...

The exchange was interesting. Too bad it has to end prior to getting into the details. I'm not sure about what much of your latest reply means, becaus...

I personally do not call true statements "truths". That's more a practice of logicians and those who do not draw and maintain the distinction between ...

Banno foresaw/predicted the no true scotsman earlier.

I'm simply pointing out that there is nothing - NOTHING AT ALL - added to our understanding by using the term "existence" as a predicate. Well... Asid...

Nothing I've said is a dispute like 'existence of God'.

I've no obvious issue with the above revised version, aside from maybe a quibble regarding what sorts of things can be sensibly said to "establish a r...

And yet... I've shown how it matters and I've not once invoked God. Thus, the above is not true.

It would be self-defeating if being relative and being universal are mutually exclusive. They are not always. Depends entirely upon how one is using t...

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So... Verbatim... A tree's relations are described as... I've no need to mutilate something already so butchered. I'm trying to help.

Go for it. You typically draw a better/larger crowd than others.

Nah. You're confused. I was talking about that which exists prior to language. I was using language to take account of it. That which happens prior to...