creativesoul

Moving the goalposts... Still wrong.

Mirror mirror...

You are reading a meaningful language. There are no gestures. There are no sounds. There is a meaningful language. Nothing cryptic. Plain 'ole common ...

Online format.

Read my last post.

Nah. That cannot be right. No sounds or gestures in this format, but there is definitely language.

It's not about what I find... it's about everyday events where people intentionally use falsehoods to mislead others. The point is that usefulness is ...

Sigh....

This is self-contradictory and/or incoherent. Let A = usefulness Let B = truth Let C = information Let D = a statement :brow:

Bald assertions that do not even take a valid argumentative form aren't very compelling.

And falsehood known to be false... so usefulness is of no help here when setting out truth(as distinct from falsehood).

Truth cannot be false. Belief can. Being falsifiable requires the ability to be false and the ability to be shown as such Some belief can be falsifiab...

Not on my view.

Because I do not believe what you wrote.

And falsehood... so usefulness is of no help here when setting out truth(as distinct from falsehood).

Not what I wrote, nor does it follow from what I wrote.

Ditto thoughts... I was actually working on something to ask, but spent too much time researching his works, and missed the deadline. Here's what I ha...

Yes, but perhaps it's a confusion that can be easily resolved by realizing that knowledge of prelinguistic belief requires language, talking about pre...

I would also concur.

Hey Sam! Good to see you. Hope this finds you well. As you may remember, pre-linguistic beliefs are pivotal to my own position. It seems that we agree...

That's an excellent question actually. There's much to be said about it.

I think I can, I think I can, I think I can... So, what do you think of my approach to Gettier here... the distinction between the inference(by entail...

I don't think... I know. :kiss:

You certainly believe that it's true, Who said anything about making usefulness and truth denote the same property? Arguing with your own imagination....

Looks fine by me. Jones got the job. JTB. What's the pickpocket bit aside from a red herring? The part about how many coins Jones has in his pocket at...

Pots and kettles.

There's your format.

Quid pro quo... I'll look if you answer the simple questions I ask. Well, I've already looked, and this... I'm not granting the justification out of h...

Really? Are you saying that Smith does not believe that Jones is the person with ten coins in his pocket? Are you saying that Smith does not believe t...

Blather... You've not offered a valid objection to what I've offered. Hand waving won't cut it. Bald assertions won't do either.

Pots and kettles.

No. You need to deal with this properly first. I love these problems. I'd be more than happy to discuss your own barn facades or whatever other Gettie...

Likewise. Have the decency to at least offer valid objection to what I've offered here tonight.

I have not carefully read your examples. Let's stick to Gettier, for now. Resolve that first. Then we can move on.

If that person is anyone other than Jones, IT IS NOT Smith's belief. That's the accounting malpractice. It's a conflation between "the man with ten co...

Smith's belief is that Jones is the man with ten coins in his pocket who will get the job. That belief is false. No problem for JTB.

Yes! Bullseye!!! Whose belief is it, and who precisely does it refer to? Who is it about? Who is the referent of "the person with ten coins in his poc...

:wink: Yeah, that's it... :kiss:

Yup. That's it. Simple. Common sense. Eloquent. Easy to understand. What more could you ask?

That's the sleight of hand my good man... As I've explained several times heretofore. The rules of entailment permit a change in the truth conditions ...

Oh, believe me... I've studied it very carefully. It's just been a while, and it's not the only thing going on in my life.... :wink:

Hold your horses... Jeez. Don't be such a dick. You give me two minutes to refute Gettier? I had to revisit the paper, just to make sure I was not inv...

That's not true. I've overcome them(it's a refutation as best I can tell) by virtue of showing how Smith does not believe what Gettier needs Smith to ...

Calm down. I'll show you. First... Smith believes Jones will get the job. We agree here, right?

That's the refutation of Gettier Case I in a nutshell. Do you understand that?

Yeah, I've heard of 'em. Those are easy to refute as well.

Argh! My apologies. You're right. I forgot details. No matter though, if my understanding of the accounting malpractice is right, and it is.... :yikes...

Alright, that's enough. You do not know what you're talking about. I suggest you peruse the paper.

We can go through that one if you like... Gettier's been solved, whether you realized it not.

In Case I, the bit about 'the man with ten coins in his pocket' is the problem my good man... it's arrived at via entailment, which as I've already st...