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Hmmm.... Would that exclude language less creatures' belief from being well grounded? That would be at odds with my current leanings.

Seems to me that the entire field of philosophy of mind is in dire need of a paradigm shift. Does that make me guilty of having less than worthy or ad...

The difference between assuming that the clock we're looking at is working and believing it's working is what... exactly? I cannot distinguish between...

Yes. That's what makes sense to me as well; especially if we are drawing a distinction between being justified and being well grounded. If proponents ...

The motivation is regarding whether or not the true belief about the time is well grounded, and/or justified.

So, in Russell's clock example, the belief is justified but not well grounded?

Do you believe that such a denial is adequate here? Are we to say that when we look at a clock to see what time it is that we do not believe that the ...

Don't we ordinarily require them to be well grounded, to be based upon true belief? Bob believed that a broken clock was working.

There are some rather strange notions of "lies" being put forth in this thread. I think that better question, prior to taking account of all the diffe...

So, five. I want to see if I understand you correctly. You're granting Russell's clock as qualifying for a justified true belief. Do you find that fal...

Me? Hah! I voluntarily put what I think I know, even when I think I know it's novel, out there for all the world to see! :wink: My income doesn't depe...

Who is saying that everyone is me? Yeah, that's a big fat lie! My gawd, the world would be in a heap of trouble. :yum:

There you go. You believe that thinking is not experience, and I believe that it is. Now what?

What you wrote presupposes that there can be human thought so complicated as to have resulted in mathematics that somehow does not count as human expe...

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A photon is a thing in and of itself. We do not see photons though, at least not with the bare naked eye. We can see the tree outside in the yard. The...

Philosophy is the result of taking very careful account of the world and/or ourselves.

Oh, I am not at all dismissing the crucial importance of critical thought when it comes to becoming aware of conventional historical mistakes. It is a...

I cannot answer what the significance of Davidson's rejection amounts to, aside from perhaps an outright denial of the importance regarding the discov...

Deductive reasoning, and the process of elimination involves knowing what to look for. Good mechanics and good doctors perform the same process of eli...

Ray Charles could see that Trump is the epitome of obstructing justice, and has been since the inauguration. I would be more surprised if something we...

Here's the thing... I do not think that critical thinking is something that can be taught. Questioning authority is not equivalent to critical thinkin...

As if the position put forth in the OP is anything other than an unfalsifiable thesis. The irony of pots and kettles...

Coming from one who has come to understand that my own past critiques have sometimes been based on a misunderstanding, I would readily concur with thi...

He's right there, if using a certain sense of "truth"... The more I read Davidson, I think he struggled with what to think about truth. He seems to wa...

I first wanted to say "fuck you!" But... I've decided that that would not be the best reply. Do not say that every American deserves Trump, it's just ...

That's my refutation of Gettier's Case I in a nutshell. We're talking about Smith's belief. That needs kept in the forefront of consideration. Gettier...

Notta problem... Gotta say five... your manners are impeccable nowadays! Not that we've ever been at rhetorical odds. :wink: Cheers! Good to have some...

That one doesn't. It was about Russell's clock, and it's both wrong and unnecessary. :wink: Broken clocks are not good ground to base knowledge of tim...

No.

Brother you're welcome to follow Gettier's formula all you like, and we'll examine it accordingly. As I said earlier, I love these mind puzzles. Shows...

Or I did both and already responded. Sigh...

No? As if Smith's belief was not specifically about a particular person named Jones? As if Gettier did not say who in particular Smith's beliefs were ...

Now you're just making yourself look bad. I consented the earlier point about false premisses, because that's what reasonable people do when they real...

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In order to maintain your position here, you're forced to claim that Smith's belief is about someone other than Jones... That's false on it's face.

You never directly addressed that by the way... or the following questions... Who did Smith believe had ten coins in their pocket? Who did Smith belie...

No. I have both cases right. Gettier confuses the truth conditions of the general proposition "the person with ten coins in his pocket will get the jo...

Ah, your such a childish dick! I consent. That is modus tollens.

Denying the antecedent... Not valid.

Well, we disagree on that don't we? Show me.

With Russell's clock, my objection is that the knowledge claim is based upon false belief, and false belief never counts as adequate justification. Wi...

That's what you keep repeating, but... False premisses cannot lead(validly/logically) to true conclusions.

But, we both know that false premisses cannot validly lead to true conclusions. Right? :brow:

No. I read your reply. Glad to see you're serious again. Our respective viewpoints differ... obviously. I've just got one simple question... Does fals...

Or stab, shoot, and kill... often in the name of their chosen God...

Yup. If by "we" we mean those whose writings survived all those years and canonical revisions...

Well done!

Hey Sam! My take on both Gettier cases is that he has Smith's belief wrong(an accounting malpractice). I've set that out as clearly as I can a couple ...

Believing a broken clock is working is a false belief. False belief is never good justificatory ground... That's the simple account already given that...