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Albero

['Member']Joined: October 13, 2020 at 14:41Last active: August 25, 2023 at 17:597 discussions162 comments
Location: Toronto

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I am interested in both Continental work and Analytic stuff.

Favourite Philosopher

Nietzsche and Marx

Favourite Quotations

But the putting of labour-power into action – i.e., the work – is the active expression of the labourer's own life. And this life activity he sells to another person in order to secure the necessary means of life. His life-activity, therefore, is but a means of securing his own existence. He works that he may keep alive. He does not count the labour itself as a part of his life; it is rather a sacrifice of his life. It is a commodity that he has auctioned off to another. The product of his activity, therefore, is not the aim of his activity. What he produces for himself is not the silk that he weaves, not the gold that he draws up the mining shaft, not the palace that he builds. What he produces for himself is wages; and the silk, the gold, and the palace are resolved for him into a certain quantity of necessaries of life, perhaps into a cotton jacket, into copper coins, and into a basement dwelling. And the labourer who for 12 hours long, weaves, spins, bores, turns, builds, shovels, breaks stone, carries hods, and so on – is this 12 hours' weaving, spinning, boring, turning, building, shovelling, stone-breaking, regarded by him as a manifestation of life, as life? Quite the contrary. Life for him begins where this activity ceases, at the table, at the tavern, in bed. The 12 hours' work, on the other hand, has no meaning for him as weaving, spinning, boring, and so on, but only as earnings, which enable him to sit down at a table, to take his seat in the tavern, and to lie down in a bed. If the silk-worm's object in spinning were to prolong its existence as caterpillar, it would be a perfect example of a wage-worker.
-Karl Marx

Lastly, the external character of labor for the worker appears in the fact that it is not his own, but someone else’s, that it does not belong to him, that in it he belongs, not to himself, but to another. Just as in religion the spontaneous activity of the human imagination, of the human brain and the human heart, operates on the individual independently of him – that is, operates as an alien, divine or diabolical activity – so is the worker’s activity not his spontaneous activity. It belongs to another; it is the loss of his self. Lastly, the external character of labor for the worker appears in the fact that it is not his own, but someone else’s, that it does not belong to him, that in it he belongs, not to himself, but to another. Just as in religion the spontaneous activity of the human imagination, of the human brain and the human heart, operates on the individual independently of him – that is, operates as an alien, divine or diabolical activity – so is the worker’s activity not his spontaneous activity. It belongs to another; it is the loss of his self.
-Marx





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Glad you brought up Von Hartmann. I really want to get into him but I have no idea how. His “philosophy of the unconscious” seems like a massive tome ...
July 09, 2023 at 03:41
sure but still I don’t think the Overman really is a titan of industry. After all the Overman is not someone who just rules over the mediocre masses, ...
July 08, 2023 at 16:47
interesting you mention Becker’s book. I’ve not read it myself but I am familiar a bit with his thesis. To answer the question in the OP, perhaps we c...
July 08, 2023 at 15:16
Why do you see Nietzsche as a kind of proto Ayn Rand? I think Nietzsche would’ve detested Ayn Rand. Her obsessions with the strong man titans of indus...
July 08, 2023 at 15:01
I know you disparage Nietzsche a lot but his genealogical method pertaining to the origins of our thoughts and philosophical convictions seems to me l...
July 08, 2023 at 00:20
I feel like Hannah Arendt would probably interest you. She's more optimistic than you when it comes to work, but her Human Condition has a ton of illu...
October 03, 2022 at 16:02
this is excellent, thanks :smile:
August 27, 2022 at 20:29
this just about clears it up, thanks! I suppose things get even trickier when Schopenhauer throws platonic forms into the mix as well
August 27, 2022 at 18:01
Right. But heres my confusion: do we just not know this Gnosis we get in that ascetic self-denial is “true” knowledge of the thing in itself? Per Kant...
August 27, 2022 at 17:50
yeah I’d definitely appreciate it! I guess it’s just hard because Schopenhauer is adamant that the thing-in-itself does not “cause” our representation...
August 27, 2022 at 01:25
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I’m going to miss Streelight. He was probably one of my favourite posters here because of his knowledge on continental philosophy and post-structurali...
July 01, 2022 at 18:06
Post modernism is largely a reaction to structuralism. Marxism is structuralist and uses historical materialism as a meta narrative. Post modernism po...
May 28, 2022 at 19:59
This is a really good question, and as someone who is sort of a Marxist I honestly think it's too ignored. Fromm was definitely right to point out tha...
May 20, 2022 at 05:29
also Will to Power, eh?
May 02, 2022 at 18:23
Thanks for answering Streetlight, I really enjoy reading your posts. This helps explain a lot. So is what you're saying is that any interest in attain...
May 02, 2022 at 14:41
There’s an excellent little book I’ve been reading that answers these questions. It’s got some ingenious interpretations of the Overman and Will to Po...
April 21, 2022 at 14:32
Lol, ok I’ll bite. To preface the reason I’ve been hesitant is that I’m not even an anti natalist or a Schopenhauerian pessimist. In fact, I really ad...
February 18, 2022 at 23:10
I understand this is a very old post, but I had a question about this (if you still hold the view) Maybe I’m getting you wrong, but your argument basi...
February 18, 2022 at 04:49
I don't think there is any metaphysical or moral problem when it comes to private ownership. I don't think it's about "who deserves" to own the means ...
January 19, 2022 at 20:10
On a completely moral and normative level, raising the standard of living with social democratic policies is good for short term harm reduction, but a...
January 18, 2022 at 15:45
This is why I really don’t understand modern day US political discourse from the right side. What’s with people thinking Biden is going to instigate a...
December 31, 2021 at 19:05
This is actually a huge point of debate when it comes to contemporary Marxist academics. Most Marxists today don’t think this anymore, and understand ...
December 31, 2021 at 18:31
Not only this, but tons of leftist theorists have pointed out that “mom and pop” small businesses are usually the first people or most prominent to su...
December 31, 2021 at 17:04
If I’m not mistaken any seasoned Marxist will tell you there isn’t anything “wrong” with profit in the moral or normative sense. Rather, using some tr...
December 31, 2021 at 16:45
honestly to me these types of replies only seem to reinforce my socialist views: The reason is because to me it reveals just how merciless and unsusta...
December 30, 2021 at 16:38
@"Bitter Crank" I think you’d know more about but if you take all this: If I’m not mistaken, is this not what contemporary critical theory and the Fra...
December 30, 2021 at 16:25
If you ask me the only thing CEO's and business owners really risk are becoming workers again.
December 29, 2021 at 20:53
In my opinion, the root disease for climate change and political corruption is capitalism and all of the contradictions associated with it. Overpopula...
December 22, 2021 at 01:49
I didn’t know there was so much right wing nonsense on this forum. I think he is innocent purely on a legal technicality. He did this to protect priva...
November 26, 2021 at 14:44
I think you would benefit from reading Spinoza. He's very similar to Nietzsche in some ways, but in other ways closer to the Stoics or even Taoists. E...
November 21, 2021 at 18:50
I think in Marxist terms the majority of the WFH is just another evolution of the labor aristocracy, but this time their exploitation is made even mor...
November 14, 2021 at 23:38
this is totally true tbh, I guess what I meant is that if the ship is sinking and it’s being purposely steered by those on top, those on the bottom ar...
November 14, 2021 at 13:07
Classic capitalism: Oh no, we're approaching the inevitable breakdown of hundreds of nations across the world and a significant decrease in quality of...
November 14, 2021 at 02:13
I don't think I agree with it on everything, but I've always found pessimism in the philosophical sense to be an interesting tradition. Might I ask ho...
November 01, 2021 at 21:15
Yes actually. I feel a big part of like your antinatalism debate here hinges upon consequentialism vs deontology, but I feel like virtue ethics has be...
November 01, 2021 at 20:55
but how would you even know if someone will think it's worth it? Yes you can make an educated guess just like everything, but what do we do if they en...
October 31, 2021 at 23:47
@"khaled" What do you make of this Khaled? I've been enjoying your back and fourths on the subject, and would like to know how you would respond. It's...
October 29, 2021 at 21:10
The only country I see making significant progress in emissions cuts is China. I’m not some china loving bootlicker but it’s undeniable how they’ve st...
October 27, 2021 at 11:48
Maybe it works for some people, but I myself am skeptical that philosophy is therapeutic. In fact, a lot of the philosophy I took time to read only ma...
October 14, 2021 at 17:56
Forgive me if you're not actually asking, but I think I can clarify what makes premise 4 repugnant. Contrary to positive utilitarian ethics, I think t...
October 13, 2021 at 01:19
There was an “efilist” on here a couple weeks back, seems like they bit the bullet on premise 3 :rofl: I’ve only met one other person who was a negati...
October 12, 2021 at 23:57
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous :rofl:
October 12, 2021 at 16:25
. Regardless of whether I agree with them, hasn't shop1 shown tons of reasons in other posts why life is too difficult a game to be played? They talke...
October 12, 2021 at 15:57
you have the best taste on here
October 04, 2021 at 00:59
I don't get why you keep pushing the idea that everyone who disagrees with efilism is a completely delusional. I looked at Gary's ideas with an open m...
September 24, 2021 at 19:45
we are discussing ethics, I don’t know what logic here has to do with it. Again, I bring up David Pearce because even he thinks that we could theoreti...
September 17, 2021 at 17:38
I know you were jesting but this sounds bizarre to me. This forum had a philosopher guest here who thought a bit like you (life is suffering, only pre...
September 17, 2021 at 13:50
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September 16, 2021 at 15:27
I know that many academic philosophers will hate me for this but this is why I think the idea of a “good life” is very much subjective. A lot of the p...
September 14, 2021 at 17:29
You’re absolutely right that this is a gigantic problem, but I feel like the left is currently going through a dilemma on how to address it. A Bernie ...
August 25, 2021 at 19:47