well, you’ve said many times this is abhorrent to you (and it’s abhorrent to me too) but I think one example of a genuinely positive reason to procrea...
I’m not an antinatalist but I honestly think something like this should be implemented. It feels like it should be common sense, at least. Most philos...
I’ve always thought this was an interesting way of analyzing our moral intuitions. Ultimately morality is a human construction, and yet existence itse...
ok thanks for laying it all out like this it’s more clear what you’re asking, but I’m still a little bit confused. Are you asking why should any mode ...
"So, you believe everything is here merely on an accident? There's no order that keeps things in check, and puts them into the manner and way that the...
That's bizarre, it might be a country thing. The book is called "Unbelievable Errors" by Bart Streumer. It's essentially an argument for a radical ske...
For me I always liked my life but I couldn’t really give an answer as to why besides “there’s cool stuff I guess”. When I was younger I got curious an...
I believe you can. I have interacted with some people who held an error theory about descriptive properties, but accepted non-cognitivsm about normati...
"Even Marx fetishizes it but says work is a "good" in itself as long as one is doing it as sort of a hobby. But I think any activity is not self-justi...
Messy reply incoming, but this is a good question. I have no idea where you lean economically (you don't have to say) but the way I see it is that in ...
Just wanted to say you have some really interesting thoughts here and I enjoyed reading them. However, I myself have found questions demanding a justi...
I'm pretty sure the common utilitarian justification is that intuitively it would suck if the world was empty or there's good things without anyone to...
well, according to many Consequentialists this little charade seems to be generating favourable outcomes-whether it’s happy points, preference satisfa...
So-called "existential nihilism" always seemed self refuting to me. Nihilism assumes that nothing matters and everything from morality to meaning is c...
my thoughts exactly on the book tbh. I treated Ligotti’s novel the same way one would treat a pop philosophy self help book. There’s some good ideas h...
The thing I don't really like about this is that Ligotti's pessimism and antinatalism seems to translate into a kind of nihilism-but antinatalist pess...
I don’t really understand why this forum continues to have these discussions. I’ve looked back on the other antinatalism threads from years ago and th...
i agree. I feel like every pro-natalist argument I’ve read elsewhere took future people into consideration. I don’t see why people keep re-hashing thi...
I would like to see you further elaborate on the point of a parent inflicting blindness on their child if there “was no child”. You made some really g...
I haven’t really interacted with many users, so what do you think are common moral views here? Ironically my initial thought was that a lot of people ...
maybe I’m just not understanding your use of “moral objectivism” but what do you mean when you say that most antinatalists here aren’t moral objectivi...
yeah you’re right, I got mixed up with other things. Thanks for pointing it out. But my issue here is that you and others are trying to use loopholes ...
I wasn’t clear that’s on me, but what I mean is that I don’t agree with his approach to antinatalism, but how can we deny that birthing people affects...
I think you have interesting arguments but how come you disagree that we force humans into being? I’m no anti-natalist, but life is an imposition in t...
I mean no offense to anyone on this forum and I respect everyone’s views, but maybe the fact that “you’ve received no good answers” is because these f...
I try to keep a sense of humor about it, but man do I fail miserably. I have obsessive compulsive tendencies, so philosophical ideas can literally kee...
I’ll admit I haven’t read the entirety of this conversation, but is this anything different from Peter Singer’s “Drowning Kid” thought experiment? If ...
I agreed with your points earlier Hanover, but I think you should answer Schopenhauer1's question from earlier. He calls it "paternalistic BS" to impo...
Interesting points, these really gauged my thoughts. It's definitely something that ought to be questioned, 100% agreed. I don't blame others for not ...
I think the general idea on the Nietzschean parent is something like: “life is valuable and I desire a parent-child relationship; though their lives m...
You make some thought provoking points but I am skeptical that people don't procreate to prevent suffering. In certain cases yes, but it seems most pe...
It’s not like anyone in my family reads philosophy for fun like I do, but I have engaged in philosophical discourse with my brother and parents. The b...
I don't mean to necropost, but I always thought this was an interesting argument against Benatar. I think Julio Cabrera is very underrated as a philos...
Let’s revive this thread Since this doesn’t seem to be solely limited to philosophers, I’ll go with: Max Stirner, Zhuangzi, Lao Tzu (I know he wasn’t ...
I really agree with your last point. Information is incredibly easy to find these days (arguably too easy), but at the same time I find a lot of criti...
Solipsism is something we’ve all thought and it’s normal to toy with those ideas. However, dwelling on it too much and letting it dictate your life is...
just wondering schop, but I’ve seen glimpses of your many long comment chains on this forum regarding AN. Out of everyone you’ve debated, do you think...
It sort of has from what I've seen, but if you think about it, antinatalism isn't anything new. If you look at history there have been tons of movemen...
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