Yes, but the position he is sketching out is like the counter-voice of the interlocutor in the PI. It is also his own experience from the Tractatus (c...
What makes it hard to parse I think is that he starts at the end first. What we are faced with is that “usually” we just pick flowers, but sometimes w...
I hear ya. I just needed to properly read it at some point, thought this would help. We’ll have to come up with a good (short) one again though some t...
Yes, with “this” being: “there actually is a way to how identifying and naming objects works”, though it does not create a “factual” (unassailable) re...
Here I think Witt means those who are tempted by a desire for something sure. Definitely traditional philosophy, but I would argue our larger modern c...
Well that’s a pretty fuzzy word**, but if we are dealing with “feeling, hearing, seeing”, and so tangential to ‘meaning’, ‘understanding’, ‘thinking’,...
@"Banno" @"Sam26" @"Paine" @"Ludwig V" @"Jamal" @"Manuel" @"Astrophel" @"Joshs" @"Kurt Keefner" Since sense data (what Witt takes as “feeling, hearing...
If we are to cure the urge for perfection—in this instance, as we will have to in other instances—then maybe we have to turn away from it, figurativel...
I would not call the work in the Tractatus a waste. Of course we could call the picture theory a “mistake”, but I’m thinking more of the mistaken desi...
He definitely pushed the experiment of the Tractatus—basically to only state what can be said with absolutely certainty—as far as he could, which demo...
In comparison to the Tractatus, which, as you point out, held everything that could be said to make sense to a generalized standard for truth (based o...
We could also call it a logical error that philosophers make, and that philosophy itself (its method) is always in a state of revolution or self-criti...
A lot of people take philosophy as a set of problems to be answered. Originally, Socrates was asking questions to make us better people, and unfortuna...
The most important thing I realized is that when you are reading, pay attention to what jumps out for you and make notes about your thoughts to yourse...
@"Banno" @"Ludwig V" The need to take a static snapshot and exclude other things is why we can picture language as violence. That our expressing somet...
@"Banno" @"Ludwig V" @"Joshs" This might be the place to unravel a common mischaracterization of Austin and Wittgenstein. What they are doing is using...
@"Banno" @"Ludwig V" - Austin readers The mitigation of “perception” of indirect-realism preserves the possibility of certainty, however limited. As K...
We read through Sense and Sensibilia here, and I believe what Austin is doing is showing how “indirectly” actually works (seeing someone in a mirror, ...
@"cherryorchard" I believe most of this is a misunderstanding of the method of OLP, and also maybe assuming it has certain premises it needs and/or co...
Well, if we are only discussing language/confusion generally then I apologize, but if it is specifically Wittgenstein’s famous quote in the Philosophi...
Yes we are born into a history of ways of doing things, but Witt’s method is exactly to make explicit the criteria for a practice (through looking at ...
Yes, a “form of life” is not a conclusion or argued, etc (though “acquiesce” implies choice; we are indoctrinated, assimilated—Rousseau’s “consent” un...
That is exactly the point. If you do not have a preset expectation that the answer MUST ensure agreement, then a failure does not mean there is a prob...
This has been historically framed as: if a proposition is not true/false, then it is irrational (also, if not “knowledge” than belief, or, if not “obj...
This is true in that life takes various forms. There is our species (in itself and compared to others), our history, our practices, our cultures, etc....
We say we want to know, but what we actually want is for knowledge to take the place we have to be responsible for ourselves, thus accountable for it,...
And the science of the brain and its processes is important to understand, but philosophy constructed a particular framework we should be aware of, be...
Well, in the way philosophy pictures them yes. I moved the discussion here because the article above provides some history of the parallel picture tha...
Yes, but it’s not an argument, it’s a shift in perspective. Philosophy wants something with certainty, universality, uniqueness, etc. apart from our f...
I don’t mean to harp on about “certainty” as if that is the only desire philosophy has. It’s just Witt’s example, which Cavell characterizes as the re...
Witt would be showing how this “problem” and ontology are manufactured by our human desires. I’m not sure this thread is the place to discuss that con...
As I mentioned to @"Michael" above yes, the other is ultimately hidden from us (despite our being able to guess at thoughts or anticipating, etc), but...
They share the desire and thus create and impose a criteria or standard that is like the idea they have of science or math. Thus why Plato discusses m...
Maybe the way to put this is that equating our pains is not how pain is important to us. If this situation actually did happen, what would matter to u...
That it is a “false” narrative does not explain why Plato, Descartes, Kant, Positivism, etc. got sucked into it (belief or opinion vs knowledge; appea...
Right, but this might be because one is feigning agreement because they are pitying the other, or being stoic, and maybe not some way for our pain to ...
But this is not a matter of competing “views”, or explanations, or that we want to know the same thing but we just have to get at it a different way. ...
We are getting rather far afield from Witt’s approachability, however, The idea of the automaton (Descartes’ originally I believe) is the same thing (...
Excellent observation. What Witt would do is create a situation and give examples of what we’d say. “I’m in pain” “Me too” “But I have a headache.” “M...
When I said: “Looking at what we would say when doing… for example: (following) rules, meaning (what we say), understanding (a series), seeing (an asp...
I never liked how Socrates got people to accept premises but then forced a conclusion on them. Witt allowed me to finally realize that he had rigged t...
Sorry, I didn’t make it clear in that post that “know” has more than one sense. The point I was getting at is that we do not “know” pain in the way th...
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