That’s interesting, I haven’t thought of it like that before. But… Couldn’t, or shouldn’t, things like “social stability” just be incorporated into a ...
Man, you try really hard to avoid giving direct yes/no answers. We’ve already discussed greater/lesser harm. Although, you do keep trying to divert th...
I don’t think I agree. Your post seems to be focused solely on cognition, whereas “love” is clearly an emotion. Cliched or not, we hear of occurrences...
So, then it’s justifiable to harm someone (sociopath/potential parent), even cause greater harm to that person, if it prevents that person from unnece...
I’m just meaning AN is considered to be excessive (or extreme) by most people. I was referring to this comment… My point is that bringing about enligh...
You might have missed my last post here, but to paraphrase I’m not interested so much in whether or not someone is being used, but rather that someone...
I think it really depends on her evolutionary history. I’d agree with @"Hanover" that we have evolved to be social creatures to greater or lesser exte...
Quite an impressive, and saddening, list. Not looking for a debate, but I’m just curious how many items on your list you personally disagree with, or ...
By being treated as pawns. They’re a means to an end (an AN world). This is an interesting question. Most people would agree that if you can reasonabl...
Well, it’s not really about who/what is being used, it’s about how you justify your actions. But, if you insist, then whomever you’re trying to convin...
How does it not? Your justification for AN rests on a potential future event; an end. It regards taking action now (the means) to prevent a certain en...
Perhaps I’m mistaken, but the underlying premise that leads you to this conclusion seems to be that the ends do not justify the means. If so, AN appea...
You can’t please everyone all the time, but you can please some of the people some of the time. Stupid is as stupid does. Even a broken clock is right...
I think it probably does, but my reasons for liking X may be different than your reasons for liking X. So it isn’t like you can say “oh, you like X, y...
Lol, yeah I figured as much. Well, it’s partly just preference; I just so happen to enjoy this type of music, but I’m sure there’s also personal reaso...
No. The point is that they can’t determine it (that’s why I say they lack it). Morality does not exist for a wolf. Ok, then how does complexity arise ...
Not much into playing music during sex. It feels contrived. But, Manson’s “Deformography” worked well in the past. A bit dark, but it builds in intens...
In this case by the wolves. I’m not claiming that. I’m claiming they have no concept of moral/immoral (I.e. they lack morality). Ok. So, here’s what I...
We’re not talking about intelligence. Animals are intelligent because they have the ability to learn; they can make associations between X behavior or...
Sure, but why can’t that be considered a trait? My argument is that most animals don’t have the ability to understand/create these rules. I don’t thin...
Only that’s not quite what I mean. If a species is without morality, then it’s ok to kill them. When applied to humans, it’s imperative that all human...
But I’m not applying it like that. It has to apply to all members of the species. So, for example, if it is demonstrated that one cow actually possess...
I would conclude that there is no “human morality” as compared to “non-human morality.” Morality is a trait just like any other that a species either ...
This is what my post was addressing. Humans possess morality, whereas animals do not. I’m not sure what this matters. Are you looking for justificatio...
I wouldn’t go that far. Some animals have demonstrated a sense of self, so it isn’t like they’re cognitively dead. It’s more of a continuum. I’m open ...
I’m asking you to be more precise. As it stands now, morality is a term that describes aspects of human thinking and behavior. You’re positing that no...
You’re misunderstanding. Firstly, you’re applying it to individuals rather than species. I’m not saying any individual without morality is ok to kill....
No, not really. But at the same time that doesn’t mean your friends cat understands right from wrong or good from bad. What other type of morality is ...
Maybe. I think it could be argued though that since animals lack self-reflection (as far as we can tell) that their behavior relies more on instinct o...
@"Cartesian trigger-puppets" Morality. Animals take no issue with killing other animals for food. If Humans did not possess any moral compass whatsoev...
Just my take in things… “Ownership of ideas” seems odd to me. What do you mean by ownership? I would just characterize belief as agreement that a stat...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RacVLOc3wq4 I told you before stay away from my door Don't give me that brother, brother, brother, brother The freaks on...
Wasn’t familiar with his work until now. I recognized the one with the apple in front of the guys face. It was a cover to a Searle book I read. Anyway...
I’m fine playing by your rules. But, I’d like to know what exactly your position is. Do you think religions were intended to be non-literal? Why or wh...
Dude, this is a philosophy forum. Do you not expect to be asked to justify your assertions? You’re asserting that the correct interpretation of religi...
Well, there’s plenty of testimonial evidence. The Bibles I’ve seen have Christ’s words printed in red ink. What is the proper assumption here? That th...
Just asking for clarification. Perhaps we’re misunderstanding one another. You seem to be claiming that religions, at least some religions, admit that...
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