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SO propositions are found in logical space. There's already a holism coming through here.

No substance. Facts and logical operators.

That'd be pleasing. What do we find in logical space?

Now I'm confused. I don't think only nouns are meaningful. Far from it. So that last post leaves me non plussed. I've no idea at the moment what your ...

Will I go on?

What being does "stands" refer to?

What being does "and...?" refer to?

SO, what being does "No" refer to above?

OK, then not all language consists of propositions. No?

I wouldn't bother with concepts. I wrote extensively about this in a previous incarnation. On thinking about Austin's criticism of universals and Witt...

Yep.

That's just wrong. Not all words are nouns.

I think what is shown by the experiments in question is more than that.

Perhaps we could look at a counterexample to my thesis. "I never done nothing like that" - a double negative used to emphasis the negation rather than...

That certain rules of grammar are better at producing results than others. These rules can therefore be found in a wide range of languages.

Do you know by introspecting? Or are you just angry, with or without introspection?

Well, perhaps it was your understanding of my position that changed. I've long been an advocate of the view that we understand language better if we l...

Saying things like "This key unlocks the door" is of course one of the actions affiliated to the belief that the key unlocks the door. As is saying it...

Sure; yet the research clearly shows that this access is not privileged. One's beliefs change in order to justify oneself.

They show that introspection is not an infallible method of determining one's mental state. Beliefs are a metal state.

I don't see that. The stick looks bent; but the fact is that it is straight. Beliefs... again, I'm forced to wonder if there is a fact to the matter o...

No; but it should lead to some doubt as to the certainty of introspection. Not so fast...

There are numerous experiments with similar results that apply to folk without damage. Introspection is not what philosophers sometimes take it for. h...

Perhaps. I see logic as well-structured language. So introducing conjunction, disjunction, negation and non-contradiction as formation rules gives us ...

Logic is just good grammar.

indeed; as if language where not about the world.

It’s worth noting that a circular argument is not invalid.

The obvious, somewhat trite answer is to say belief is holistic; each belief makes sense only in relation to other beliefs.

Yet something here keeps drawing responses from you. Something unsettling in the notion of belief.

Indeed; I will appreciate a considered answer. Another conclusion I'm moving towards is that the analysis in the OP, in which a belief is reduced to a...

Meh. I could reply that you confuse belief and certainty. Such rhetoric gets us nowhere. I'm pointing out that beliefs are not simple single things li...

Well, apparently not. Here we peel off into psychology. There are numerous experiments that show the falsity of our introspections. You have perhaps r...

That does not seem overly complicated? Instead, suppose that we just use words to talk about things, including apples, without the intermediary of con...

You are over-thinking it. There are things you don't know, that are nevertheless facts - the colour of the cup I had coffee from this morning, and so ...

Sort of. And hence, concepts are not all that clear either. A first problem, to get us started. Where are concepts located? Do I have an apple-concept...

Davidson. Can a belief be part of the cause of an act? At the start of this thread I would have just said "yes", that in a straight forward way we use...

Not at all. I'm following various lines of thought here just to see where they might go. One difference between electromagnetism and belief is that be...

Yep. There is indeed a smell of instrumentalism here.

Your belief consists in your being able to lock the door, pocket the key, give the key to a friend, ponder how locks work... ...if not, then what exac...

Damn. Ninety one comments after one post. So close.

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This trades on the ambiguity of "Have". Can we know facts we don't know? of course not. Can there be facts we don't know? of course there can.

Yeah - we are choosing a grammar here. I go with facts as such things as are true. Then we can have facts we don't know.

Hmmm.

Your suggestion was that facts are historical. But what you have argued is that knowledge of facts is historical. Not the same thing. Where?

That is, descriptivism is pretty much dead, finished off by Kripke. Am I wrong here?

So language works by referring to concepts rather than to things in the world? Are they? I don't see any good reason to suppose that this is the case....

Internalise or externalism? Introspection or action? Internalism holds that the content of the belief is irrelevant; that the cat's being on the mat m...

Philosophy as therapy versus philosophy as exhibitionism.

SO I am a bit lost here. The comment that appears to be causing the fuss was: The idea is that a belief is not an individual, not a thing, so much as ...