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Then the semi-logical things like the rules of chess or the value of a ten dollar note. Can we be certain of them?

ok. So we can be 100% certain of the truth of logical rules. What about maths? Can we be sure that twice two is four?

Lies to children, for Kaiser's sake.

Hearts pump blood. Do hearts have blood-pumping as their goal? Or is it just their purpose? Is the primary task of the heart to pump blood? There's a ...

so both: and Hmm. So logic does not tell us what is true?

Are sure of that?

no, because the idea that mind has a task is bunk. Teleology, misplaced, again.

...and yet they do indeed use these words. How can that be, if your account is right? So this example works in my favour more than in yours.

All you've done is claimed that words all refer to beings, and then defined the "being" as the thing that a word refers to. So what? Take salty: an ad...

That's fine, but does not go far enough. What I'm saying I that the meaning changes from one use to another. "Peter likes vanilla" does not have one, ...

Meh.

All you have done is mandate that a fact is something you know rather than something that is true. Go right ahead, if you like; but that's not how the...

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By considering the opinions of others. Oh... we're talking about Trump. That's not going to happen.

:wink: I would have thought that things like "Pp" and "PPp" were our symbols. Allow them to picture the world, then they have what we would now call a...

I replied to this hours ago, but it apparently dissipated into the ether. Laters.

Agreed; the pussy joke is... well, just a pussy joke. But there's nothing left here except to laugh. What a fucking mess.

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Adverbs, verbs, adjectives, conjuncts...

Perhaps it should have been: Is it really so inconceivable that words not have a "real meaning"? After all, who is to say that one meaning is real, an...

There is not one thing that is the meaning of a word, since the meaning will change from one use to another. Further, there is not one thing that is t...

Cheers. Not an issue. The confusion was that I had taken you to be claiming something very similar; since nouns are words that refer ('point') to thin...

You have made this claim several times. Each time I have denied it, and several times I have provided counterexamples of words that do not just refer ...

I've put of breakfast, too, until lunch time. I don't believe I am hungry. I am just hungry. In the sandwich example above, it's not the hunger that i...

Put simply, that's not how most philosophers talk.

@"Sapientia" What sort of thing is a belief?

But a belief is something apart from just talk, isn't it? What is it? Not an invention or useful fiction - although the empirical evidence shows that ...

Access to what, exactly? The really, truly, true belief? Sure. And when you do this, are you introducing some belief to explain your behaviour? Notice...

Are you hungry, or thirsty? Or a bit depressed and looking for solace in a bite? Or really just wishing not to offend your host? That's the upshot of ...

Well, I've presented quite a few links to tertiary sources. LEt's go with this: And oppose it to this: It is apparent that the analysis in the OP is i...

Just fucking Google it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJJoYkFPmds Except by talking to the deaf-blind... Ableism at work.

Seems what little progress we made has here been rescinded. "Holding a belief is simply holding a belief" says nothing, does nothing, gets us nowhere....

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sze/introspection-research_b_7306546.html

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/introspection/#EmpEviAccInt

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/donald-trump-attacked-by-father-of-mh17-victims/10006628

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Yes.

Surreal, perhaps. On the other hand that missing hundred million might be those wise enough to stay clear of absurdity.

This is not too far from Nor from this.

Yes. @"Sapientia", how can you be pleased with both? Surely you must accept one side or the other, or reject the dilemma. Holding a belief is acting i...

I was wondering how long it would take. Good call.

I said no such thing.

:razz:

Yes.

In any case the take-home from psychology is that introspection is not provelidged. @"Hanover"'s opinion might be interesting here.

Logical space contains propositions connected by logical operators. When those propositions are facts, logical space is the world. The truth or falseh...

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