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It pleases me greatly that someone here knows what they are talking about.

If you like. But did you answer the question I've asked it a few times, and I don't recall seeing your answer. SO that sort of comment cuts both ways....

But that's the very point on which we disagree. DO you agree that some proposition's being true is not the same as Janus knowing that the proposition ...

:grimace: Failure to commit is a common symptom of antirealism. Do you suffer that affliction?

I'm sure it should be Perdido. But then, I never studied Latin formerly. Brian taught me most of he little I know.

That's not what is in my dictionary. But then, i'm using the Oxford, not one I wrote myself.

Again, knowing that some proposition is true is not the same as that proposition's being true.

I've answered it so many times I've lost track.Some here may remember the chairs at the end of the universe. But I hadn't noticed you asking it. If I ...

So you want a grant?

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Well, that's no fun. Kate Bush has 50. It would be better to think of the scientific view as the view from anywhere. There are some things that are tr...

Yes, indeed; and with the word "is", from the discussions of identity hereabouts. The snow on Venus appears to be lead sulphide. Using language in thi...

And if we limit it, someone else can change it, limit it in a different way, extend it to mean something else... It's word games either way.

I did, several times, and decided not to respond. That's what the thread reduces to, even if it does not say that in the OP.

You tell me. It's your question. I'm not convinced beliefs are te sort of thing that has a discreet location. Edit: I see creative agrees.

So is there supposed to be an essence of snowness, had by, and only by, all snows? And the discussion here is to try to work out what that snow-essenc...

Are your beliefs to be found between your ears? I don't think so. Dismissing this view as behaviourism might appeal to some; including those who are m...

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Sure. And I am saying that is wrong. I don't see that there is any such relationship between truth and proof. That is certainly the case in formal sys...

let’s follow the argument, then. So given a system that is capable of arithmetic, there are truths that cannot be deduced. Perhaps we might discover s...

I think your "...it makes no sense to say that a proposition is true..." here hides that you are adopting an attitude towards the proposition. That is...

But Godel showed that there are truths that cannot be proven within a given system. Hence, there are unverifiable truths.

It seems to me, and I have said it before, that Creative reifies thought and belief. I think that is an error; thought and belief are not things, but ...

This thread is nothing more than a discussion about how we use words like "proposition", "belief", "justification", "knowledge'. Of course it almost g...

Ah. you are here - that might help clean things up. So, I'm defending a minimalist view of truth. I gather you want truth to involve verification. IS ...

Then why didn't you say that? I doubt that I have missed much.

Nor do I; a proposition, if it is anything, is truth-apt. And yet you said: The phrase "truth-apt propositions" was contrasted with "True propositions...

This appears to me to be a pretty direct contradiction. I'm lost.

I can't see how you got "Drop a particular relation between sentience and reality" from "Drop truth, as a relation between one or more points of view"...

Do you guys read what you have written?

Why suppose there is such a process? Is that a teleological assumption - there must be one true shared meaning, so there must be a process for verifyi...

How do you know when there is no more evidence to find?

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It's not a good thing to have the definiendum on both sides of the definition. So there's one issue: defining verification without using truth... When...

Now we have truth apt, and presumably non-truth-apt-propositions. In my world, all propositions are either true or false. that's what it is to be a pr...

Rubbish. We are trying to play chess while you refuse to acknowledge that the white pieces are different from the black pieces.

OK, so can we go with that? What might such gender norms look like? And how would they be separated from sexual differences.?

Yeah, but it got your attention.

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A group of words is not a proposition. It's not even a sentence, unless it follows some grammatical rule. The apparent slide between strings, sentence...

If some statement is true under one interpretation and false under another, then these two interpretations express distinct propositions. That's prett...

Ok, so my point is that a propositions being true is not the very same thing as a propositions being verifiable; there are, of course, verifiable fals...

No, I didn't. My point is the simple one that a proposition's being verified is not the exact same thing as a proposition's being true. I think Janus ...

Sure. That's not what meta said, but we can proceed; all propositions are always, already, interpretations. So is Meta's point that a given propositio...

Hence, "It is raining" and "Il pleut" are the same proposition and yet the words used are distinct.

So what you going to do? Drop this. The problem dissolves.

Why?