I either did not see this reply, or I left it intending to come back to it. My apologies. Or perhaps I thought I had addressed it in the "On Certainty...
Sure, Bob deviates from the True Path... and we agree he can't deduce the Trinity within Natural Philosophy. Cool. I'm not relying on the Trinity bein...
Again, understanding this in terms of substitution drops all the huff and fluff. If we say that the Father and the Son are “the same” in virtue of sha...
Perhaps. He still can't think about what it would be like if you had not replied to me. If he thinks it, he wills it, if he wills it, it is so. God re...
, , if your aim is to show that the Trinity is a Devine Mystery, your have succeeded. But why the recourse to logic? Why not just stick with "It's not...
Well, that's problematic in itself... (See what I did there?) To say that they are not "numerically identical" is to say that substitution fails. If t...
Here's maybe an odd little nugget that might clarify the problem with such Thomistic reasoning. I've already mentioned this problem, but it might be h...
Following the way of using equivalence just set out, we could substitute "God" for "Father, or for "Son", or for "Holy spirit"; but not "Father" for "...
As I said, Thomists will be able to mount a defence for each of these objections. Can you substitute "half-empty" for "half-full"? In most cases, yep....
ok, that makes sense of some of the things you have said. Thank you. Retribution has a curious etymology, apparently referring back to considerations ...
It's a curious calculation. Other policies that would save that many lives would be quickly adopted. Yet this policy is resisted so ardently in the US...
I hadn't read your other post until you replied to me directly, but thanks for providing an example of the pathology I am pointing too. Yes, the US ha...
What's perhaps most interesting here is the extent to which folk are willing to not see what your graph so plainly shows - or to attempt to explain it...
But that's not what I pointed out. The conclusion that god is father, son and spirit is not a cogent consequence of natural theology, but is dependent...
Seesm to me there has been some movement in your position. That's good. It remains that a just god would not seek punishment s such, but restitution a...
Yes, you believe that you have justified your claims through natural theology. But have you? Again, the trinity and the son of god, which you apparent...
That gun is far more likely to kill you or someone you love than a home invader. You are kidding yourself, and putting your family in danger. Sad, but...
That explains a lot. :rofl: Such logic! Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGYFRzf2Xww Don't get me wrong, the demise of US democracy is a...
So @"Bob Ross" might be right? Trivially, of course. The methodological point stands. You will have a hard time justifying Thomism on falsifications g...
You equate "the government" with the President. The US constitution effectively elects a king. But there were - until recently - other powers to keep ...
You can see the advantages of restorative practices, to the extent that you now seek to subsume them into your retributive account of justice. I'll co...
Well, no, since for several posts you have made it clear that your belief is somewhat different. I understand that. That framing - "the argument from ...
And you think that @"RogueAI" is suitably placed to answer that question? RogueAI, are you happy with that responsibility? And are you, Bob, in a posi...
Retributive justice focuses on punishing the perp, as seen hereabouts. Restorative justice focuses on fixing the problem. Which focus should a loving ...
This is the USA we are talking about? So having guns is preventing the downfall of your democracy, unlike those other western nations were there are g...
But that's not so. You do make use of scripture. I explained this, here: These ideas derive from scripture, not natural theology. You take it as grant...
The alternative on offer to retribution is not natural justice, but restorative justice. I really hadn't anticipated that restorative justice would be...
Not much. The list of Western Nations that maintain capital punishment has one member. What is it about that nation that makes this so? Is it, at leas...
I don't agree. as this is somewhat a side issue, I'll refer you to the SEP article, which might give you som idea of the problems thereof. it's conclu...
Acoss breakdown of Australian taxation. Good information. The biggest voices need to admit Australia is a low-taxing nation before joining the economi...
The various methodological issues raised here apply to theology generally, not just catholicism. Much the same goes for the specific issues as well, a...
Rather, if the God described by some given theology makes sense, then that theology makes sense. It's not as if there are no alternative views on God,...
That's one view. It suggests that justice is concerned with retribution, with affirming a moral order, with giving folk what they deserve. A clearer v...
well, yes, although I would relate this back to my two ways to philosophy thread. theology has to be more discursive than critical. Philosophy should ...
That most Christian of Western nations is the one that still allows capital punishment. The acceptability of retribution, indeed the equating of retri...
Well, yes - we are discussing whether theology is a part of philosophy, and that means discussing whether "philosophy" can be appleid to things theolo...
So all that was about restoring god's dignity? Ok. More seriously, can you see how to one who does not accept the tenants of faith, that post at least...
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