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Reasons, sure. Not observations.

That's interesting. Where?

What's philosophically interesting is why folk insist on such odd notions. I gather it's something to do with wishing that every statement be dubitabl...

Hmm. For @"Olivier5", Is it that every fact is known? Must be. Then how do facts differ from knowledge? Must be the same thing. Delicately nuanced stu...

Yep; accuracy is just camouflaged truth. So your account is that a fact is a true observation. Now, about those pesky facts that are not observations....

Better to strive for the heights of sophistry?

You raised the topic. When asked to explain, you appear to back down. I am well aware of Wittgenstein's views on religion. Explain how it is you think...

I don't think so. That the books were not transcribed, were thrown in the rubbish, and were burned is not a question of opinion. Again, 90% of the lit...

This looks to be doublespeak. That the table is 3.0±0.1m is either true or false. Leaving begging the very question you rhetorically ask of me: how do...

Yes; you engaged in special pleading. You accept some historical facts but not others, for reasons external to history - reasons of religion. It's goo...

No; he's using "certain" in the attributive sense, as about a specific sensation. It's your eccentric readings leading you astray, again.

Not at all. What is apparent is that they deny what is before us all; the fact of the destruction of classical literature by Christian zealots.

But this is surely special pleading? It's fine for American Presidents but not for religion?

[ So @"Isaac"'s scientist is not measuring pain. It is clear from the examples I gave that the combination of signals being measured is not the exact ...

In so far as I have one, that there's no point in attempting such a definition. Ceci n'est pas une conclusion

Then the definition in your OP is wrong? Ce n'est pas une définition?

What has? Ce n'est pas une question.

Cheers. Noticed you hadn't posted for a few days. I admit to being a bit perplexed by Isaac's approach.

So everything is art. Your definition is too surely too broad? Ce n'est pas de l'art

Hence the image above. They apparently did. Art about art. The nemesis of your definition? Ceci n'est pas un poste.

http://argusgate.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/is-this-art-2-small.jpg I haven't paid this thread much attention, because definitions are not all that h...

Fringes, not mullets.

See above.

I have an image of someone groaning in agony as the doctor says "no, no, she's not in pain...look at the signals we are getting..." And so I think the...

Sure. So let's list 'em. 1. Accurate is problematic. What is it that makes an observation accurate? 1a. One answer would be "being close to the truth"...

I want to add d) a sensation that is not private. Still thinking. Comments welcome.

Davidson:

Then we have little to disagree about.

And this is where you leave rationality behind, and I leave you.

There are no true historical claims? Then there is no point to your being here to discuss them.

There's a reason I don't usually reply to your posts, Meta. It's because you are so comfortable with self-contradiction. If you are happy to be dishon...

Well, I don't see a point in going over the arguments against your position yet again, so I guess that's the end of the chat.

Sure, facts are contextual. On this we agree. In particular, what counts as an observation is dependent on the context. Do you now rescind this?

You seem to think this an argument; it isn't. It just seems that you have not been able to follow the discussion. You claim that facts are only ever t...

I say some statements are true, some not. I gather you do disagree?

Yep. Now I have elsewhere characterised this as a distinction in the direction of fit. Science seeks to change what is believed to match the world. Ac...

Yep; It's a true statement. Being a definition of ? does not change this. It is the saying that makes it a fact that the bishop moved diagonally. Adop...

Ironically, the use of 'faith' to describe believing despite the facts comes from Augustin of Hippo. He thought it a virtue.

The noble lie is told to others; of course, I had presumed you and I know the truth about the early years of Christianity. Or do you choose to lie to ...

Nothing. You are not obliged to reply to my posts. It's your choice. It suffices to hear you acknowledge the issue. To all, Christianity introduced ch...

The destruction of the Temple is widely acknowledged. The destruction of 90% of classical literature is swept away, denied, and those who point to it ...

I have some sympathy for this line of thinking. There's a reply from Davidson that I might try to re-formulate to match the case you present. I think ...

The rising terminal is most likely of New Zealand origin, rather than Australian, and indicates a continuation - "But wait, there's more...". Foreigne...

Than I'm lost. It seems it is not possible to doubt a pain. Here's the thing: with the other senses there is a public item at the source. See the hous...

Pretty much agree. I wasn't expecting anything controversial.

So you'd rather not call this formula a fact? I'm positing that post facto, it is a fact that the bishop moves diagonally. The point being to show tha...

That's not so idiosyncratic. Pointedly so. It is what we do. Awareness is not passive.

Then it is awareness, not awareness of. An unpointed awareness is not an awareness of something. To my eye, that closes it. In Quine's terms, observat...

If that is your level of competence then I'm sure you will be able to manage the associated Google search.

The Lorenz system. Not sure what level you want. See. https://science.howstuffworks.com/math-concepts/chaos-theory3.htm