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The Blind Rugby Player example shows that its not the experience but the shared world that we can use to "triangulate" your beliefs against mine. It d...

Suppose you are right. Then those feelings and sensations are private. There is therefore, by your own argument, no way we can ensure that we are talk...

See those words, again? Not all words are nouns. But further, that the noun is used does not imply that the thing named exists. That's the essential o...

Well, write it up and get a doctorate.

So it's off around the May Pole one more time. Let's track the arguments, though, since you list them with care. 1. That pain can be referred to, not ...

Verisimilitude gives an approximation to the truth, in that theories with a higher verisimilitude are "closer to the truth" than those without. Yes? I...

Yeah, seems we are headed around the May Pole yet again. It's because you can refer to a single tree that you can refer to trees in general. If instea...

I don't know, Tom. I'm looking into antirealism, to see if it is a viable alternative to realism. See here. Are there unknown truths? The approach ins...

By way of checking that we agree what is being argued here, the point I think Wittgenstein has quite successfully argued is that pain-talk does not re...

And if so, his sensations have nothing in common with yours, and yet he can kick a goal - so again it is not the shared experiences, but the shared ba...

So you use verisimilitude as your measure of truth. If not, then it's not apparent how you might reconcile realism with Fitch's paradox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-n_aEC-_M This blind Rugby player seems to have a substantive idea of how to kick a gaol, despite not being able to ...

Unknowable or unknown. Yes. Perhaps the list of knowns is finite. The list of unknowns, innumerable.

I'll push the point. This: is an individual reaction; but it is not private - after all, you just shared it.

OK, but this: is too strong. Poetry succeeded in virtue of the shared world of poet and reader. Poetry is not private.

Think on that. The implication is that the reader's response is unrelated to what the poet writes. In which case it does not matter what the poet writ...

Who'd a known them foreigners were doin' somehtin'...? The truth will out.

No they are not. We share them; if it were not so then the poet could have no say in the responses of their readers. One's reaction to a poem is not a...

Observations might be considered a sub-class of verifications, but not the whole. That was the unanswered problem with Oli's account. But what I am in...

Isn't the point of poetry to explicate the inexpressible? Yet poetry is not private. No precise meaning can be determined because there is no precise ...

I'm not wanting to put words into Fitch's mouth, so much as into @"Olivier5"'s. Consider: Taking this as a naive attempt at verificationism, I'm sugge...

You have engaged in pleading for a special case for religious discussions, here and here. The noble lie was from . I've specifically argued against th...

I'm so blessed that I have you to point this out.

Of course they can. And if it does nothing, then like the beetle it drops out of the discussion. The utterance would be senseless. And if it does some...

A consequence of realism is that there are things we don't know, but which are true. The world exitst independently of what we say about it. Antireali...

A fairly quick dismissal. So are you committing to realism? Are there truths that we could not possibly know?

Reality is what is the case. Some may quibble as to the details.

Yes, that's it. Also the double standard, the noble lie, the special pleading... take your pick... previously noted in MU and EE, shows itself again. ...

Yeah. Mostly people are proud idiot robots.

Yep. @"TheMadFool", what do you make of @"dimosthenis9"'s first claiming that religion is needed to keep the common rabble in their place, then agreei...

So truth for you has become either authoritarian or idealistic. You've forgotten so much?

Hence, If you claim to know a falsehood it is because you are not using "know" in the way specified. So you are on your own. See how you get on.

If you think you might know things that are not true, then you are using an... eccentric...notion of "know". Is it begging the question? No. The proof...

"I know it (is true) but it is not true" is a contradiction. IF you can't see that, then you are on your own.

To my own satisfaction, yes: "I know it, but it's not true" is a contradiction. Hence if you know it, you know it is true. that it is true is part of ...

I don't think we disagree greatly here, and that in part because what you are saying seems to me to be peripheral to the private language argument. Th...

Seems to be the same point as made on the other thread. Let's keep it in one place.

Not sure how to parse that... Is it a list? Is your claim that only claims, premises, and arguments can be true or false?

Oh, I left out the "personal meanings" bit. Any personal meanings you might have either cannot enter into the conversation, their being yours and not ...

There's your problem. , , , , , There are all kinds of ways to use the words "belief", "True", "fact", "knowledge" "certainty", and their synonyms and...

I misattributed the distinction to Searle; while he made use of it, it was Anscombe who first proposed it.

Something like that. Was there a question? ...and in being language it is already not private. You expect to see a tree; and your expectation is satis...

, , has long had issues with identity, numerical equivalence, and material equivalence. Better not to go down the garden path with him.

Then we might go back to the methodological point; what has not been shown is an equivalence between the set of signals detected by the doctor and the...

Thanks for that more considered post. You may have noticed that you can't always have what you want. The world is at times uncooperative in that way. ...

...what if the goal of a science isn't to be factually correct? Religions - and ideologies - can be confirmable and influential; hence they may be jud...

Well said. I'm not sure that this is actually different to what @"Isaac" is claiming. So I'll come back to our poor patient's agony, while the doctor ...

Historians disagree with each other? Extraordinary. That Christianit persecuted paganism is not in doubt. Have a look at Persecution of pagans in the ...

Indeed. No, it isn't. I think I've finished. I don't want to kick the puppy.

DO you have a point?